industrial-professions

[digital echo]

The drug trade is not a thing in the game at the moment

[upper perch]

Ooh ic ic

[fluid sentinel]

Are the c2/m2 good for running cargo?

[craggy tapir]

What's the best cargo ship for trading with low funds for a ship?

[sharp swift]

Define low

[sharp swift]

Sure

[craggy tapir]

I have 150k in my wallet
Thing is
I don't know what ship is good for solo commodity trading

I have some good ships

Like a cat, raft, taurus

But people can easily take my cargo on the raft and I can't defend myself

Cat is the same thing

And Taurus is good, yes
But I had too many people sneaking into my cargo bay

I'm thinking taking my zeus

[sharp swift]

Yeah, I'd agree if those are your issues

You can also try to travel between places with hangars

[craggy tapir]

Travel places between hangars?

[digital echo]

Travel to places with hangars, such as Space Stations or City Landing Zones

[craggy tapir]

I think I'm not getting it....

[sharp swift]

Some surface locations have hangars you can go inside instead of using the outside freight elevators

[craggy tapir]

Oh really?

What are good commodities there?

[vestal ravine]

I think those are the plain hauling contracts.

[sharp swift]

Oof, yeah sorry I was getting them mixed up

[ocean compass]

im using a taurus

just nice size for a solo

but if you dont even have a ship

rent a Hull A

rental is only 70k i think, easy to trade because it has a respectable 64scu, which only needs 4x 16SCU containers to trade

it has one of the shortest time on the planet outpost your trading with which reduces the chances you get raided

slightly more than 1m

its not broken? i just traded 576scu of gold from SCD

[tropic peak]

Not bad at all

[tropic peak]

is the game actually working for you

[craggy tapir]

You filled a cat?

[craggy tapir]

I mean I have a raft
It has place for 2 more 16scu boxes and they just attach

[midnight wasp]

anyone have an idea what a good trade route for a cutlass black?

[sharp swift]

I took a look at uexcorp and it doesn't look like there's any good commodities that are also safe. Running hydro between a gateway and baijini isn't the worst, but it's mid profits per run I think

[ocean compass]

aye, all elevators working for me atm

[ocean compass]

no its just accumulated through last night around 2hrs of gameplay

need to wait for the gold to restock lol

i used a taurus, i swoop in,buy 96scu (4x 24scu), load 4 and run

is autoloading down for anyone? i've been checking since patch, doesnt seem to be working

[minor yew]

how do i find a org?

[craggy tapir]

Hm

Org talk / recruiting is forbidden here

I'd say
Just look around the star citizen spectrum / global chat

[minor yew]

bettt

[brisk heart]

So I just made too much money from doing cargo mission with my new Zeus, I noticed there’s recruit and junior missions
Which ones are more worth it to do? Because I can get a lot of money off a lot of small missions (6-10 cargo) or I can hit up a 22k larger mission (20-100), is there a specific difference or is smaller better

And is there a way to automatically transfer cargo to my ship or is it just stuck manually

[silent vapor]

Stacking smaller missions is usually more money. But more tedius as often 1scu box size max.

Only manual loading for contracted missions unfortunately.

[vital juniper]

Where can I buy RMC this patch

[leaden monolith]

@craggy tapir With your Raft try Helium from Seraphim > Pyro Gateway Then pick up Hephaestanite and run it to A18, Loreville or Orison. New Babbage has the best buy price but I personally don't think the travel time is worth it for what the Raft carries.

96scu of helium is around 17-18K. I think and sells for around 22K? Going from memory sorry. Heph will cost you around 220K for 96 scu and you'll make 35-40K when you sell it.

It's not big money but it is steady and safe. Also once you practice a little manually loading 32scu crates onto the Raft is pretty quick and fairly easy. If you want a faster route (but more popular) you can buy Heph at Baijini and sell it at A18. Buy and sell prices are higher and lower respectively so the profit margin is lower but it's a lot quicker run.

[mint hemlock]

is the hull c at leaste usable for commodity trading?

[coarse cape]

Is there a new picture for the zeus grids

[craggy tapir]

Dunno actually

The cl has 1x2x2 on the sides and a main grid of 5x32x3

[coarse cape]

managed to cram 12 8 scu containers off grid in it

struggling to get the 13th lol

[fallen crater]

just made this inspired from Erec and their "ship cargo reference sheet"

i chose the 2scu in the front of the picture to make it easy loading/offloading but you could use 4 and 8s

[coarse cape]

You can fit 8 8scu in the cl then just need 2 scu containers and 4 scu containers to fill the rest

[fallen crater]

as i said lol

[coarse cape]

wish the junior ranks didnt auto make scu containers 8 as max

wish it would mix them up

[fallen crater]

it was the easiest tbh with the ships tractor

[quartz forge]

What I like is two 24’s instead of a bunch of 8s personally. Also long as you aren’t bothered by no component access you can fit about 6 extra 4scu crates vertically along the sides off the grid with the rest still on the grid

[craggy tapir]

Just

2 32scu

[fallen crater]

i use 8 because there is 0 struggle with the ships tractor beam

[pearl viper]

Tried hauling out tonight, server was amazing, no lagging, no stutters, no disconnects

Stuffed my Zeus CL full of 8SCU boxes. I can confidently say you can fit 13 of them inside, and then a bunch of 1, 2, or 4 SCU boxes aroung them

Forgot to record the whole thing

But it works lol

[unreal snow]

How’s the Zeus as an daily driver? I thought about swapping my crusader spirit for one but I’m a bit unsure

[pearl viper]

I traded my spirit for it, I've only been able to use it for the 4 hours I played tonight sadly since the server's been kind of unstable lately. I like it having two ways of entry is amazing, I packed the butt full and was able to climb the ladder to get in, I like the interior a bit better with the separation of the living quarters from the cockpit. It does feel a little roomier.

I upgraded for $25 back when the Zeus went on sale at first so it feels nice I still love crusader and the aesthetic of crusader stuff but the Zeus just seemed cooler for medium cargo

[jovial cliff]

You are chosen

[ocean compass]

i do it the easy way 😛 my daily driver is a taurus

i buy 4x 24scu gold

load only 4 containers, im out

96scu 1 trip

nearly 200k profit 1 trip

[quartz ledge]

Never tried cargo running any tips how to get most from the runs, what and where to buy stuff? My ship with biggest cargo is MSR and other is Andromeda, I have 1mil on my account so I can invest 500k in first run I guess

[teal otter]

i have the atlas but i cant pick cargo off the grid

[spare cloud]

Try powering your ship down

[lament wigeon]

What do you do with cargo boxes from hauling missions when the server 30k'ed, you lost the missions, but you have a ship/elevator full of boxes?

[near swallow]

You could try selling at GrimHex or an NQA terminal.

[lament wigeon]

oh interesting! so they are still actual commodities and not some special mission-only object

[mild agate]

Hey i'm just about to do my first cargo run with my own money, can i not just stuck the materials straight into my ship from the commoditity screen? Do i have to send it to the warehouse then manually put it in the back of the ship? Thanks

[spare cloud]

In cities and stations, if your ship is stored, you can auto (un)load it against a fee.
Select container sizes accordingly to your ship, lots of small boxes will mean higher fee. Check pinned messages here to know what fits your ship.

Outside of cities and stations, you'll have to manually load and unload into the freight elevator

[mild agate]

Hey i figured it out i had to click on my name then my cargo on the ship in the commoditity screen. thanks for the reply!

[spare cloud]

Don't invest more than 30-50% of your capital into cargo

[mild agate]

If i've bought cargo with that auto-loader in the commodity screen should i be able to see the boxes of SCU in the back of my ship?

Because i've just bought some had my ship in storage and now nothings in the back

[spare cloud]

CArgo should be in your ship

[mild agate]

Hmm, it's not shown up in the back of my ship and won't let me buy anymore cargo to put in the back

[tidal field]

what's the biggest ship I can rent

for cargo

[mild pumice]

I think they reverted it so it'll be the Constellation Andromeda 96scu

.1 they added ships like the C1, Hull A, RAFT & Constellation Taurus. Slightly miffed why they got pulled, players making too much credits probably lol.

[limber compass]

All in!

[tall karma]

@tidal field You can rent a constellation Taurus

[craggy tapir]

Caterpillar

[near swallow]

Can't rent the Cat anymore, or any of the other cargo ships they added a while ago

[wraith ice]

the hull c working?

[craggy tapir]

It got removed from the rent shop in lorville?

[ocean compass]

autoloading is down in this patch. only manual loading works now for commodity trading

[ocean compass]

hm apparently edrickv is right

[near swallow]

I'd checked the rental shop at Orison before I posted. (As far as I know, all the spaceport rental shops had the same ships.)

[native flame]

I have a hot take.

The M2 is actually 100% better than the C2, especialy after components and armor getintroduced.

M2 has more armor and more guns. While the C2 has more snappable cargo grid space, you can Turducken just as many things into the belly of the M2

[near swallow]

More guns and armor would only matter if you were going to go into combat, and had people to control those guns. And in the future, apparently having stuff snapped to a cargo grid as opposed to loose will actually matter.

[native flame]

I hope you're right about that. because as of the way things stand right now, it'd more viable to pull out loose stuff first and send it down the cargo elevator,t hen just auto-unload everything snapped to grid

[ocean compass]

have you tried auto unloading / loading this patch?

i have been trying since the patch dropped

autoloading / unloading arent working for me

[native flame]

Not this patch. last patch it was really hit and miss.

[ocean compass]

i tested at terra, i tested at bajini

[native flame]

I think you actually have to do it at a placew with a TDD. Thats the only time I've seen it work with any consistency

[near swallow]

I've done auto-unloading once where it worked fine, and that was at Orison TDD with a load of Beryl. I know that auto-unloading doesn't really work well with multiple commodity types, say a load of refined ore, so for that you want to manually unload. (Which is why I used my Taurus instead of my FMAX last time I took ores to market.)

[pearl juniper]

On the last patch it seemed to work better with some ships than others. I never had it work with my Corsair, worked fine several times with a c2, even with a mixed load of mining goods.

[near swallow]

Did not work with my Vulture when I tried it a patch or two ago. Even though it was just one box. (I was testing it, because I heard it didn't work with RMC.)

Didn't bother using it with my Reclaimer, I didn't have much, so I took it down the elevator.

[brisk heart]

I’m hauling about 50-70k of money per trip is that okay? For hauling

Haha never mind! Game crashed lost it all! :,)

[hot narwhal]

its all features dw lmfao

[brisk heart]

Hell yeah

What’s the best cargo ship for hauling? I like my Zeus I have now bc I can get a lot of small missions and make good profits but I heard it’s not the best

[hot narwhal]

i find the a2 really nice

[brisk heart]

i'm eyeballing the hell out of the starlancer max or the constellation taurus for my next ship

the herculies?

[hot narwhal]

yea

[vocal swan]

Suddenly finding me and my ship floating above a planet after just touching down in the hangar at NB means some kind of server crash or desynch, right?

Apart from waiting for an actual crash, what's the best way to preserve the ship?

[brisk heart]

looks tanky ngl

[brisk heart]

good question, to me its luck

[vocal swan]

I guess not logging out is the first thing, because then my ship will be lost on another shard for sure?

Anyway, managed to load my Nomad up with gold, land at NB, and was just about to start tractoring goods when I teleported elsewhere.

[torn sphinx]

is there anything a single-crew Starlancer Max can do, that a Liberator cannot do well enough? Assume that either ship will be used intelligently - not intentionally going into high-risk situations, etc.

[brisk heart]

What are you looking for in the ship itself? The liberater to me looking at it on the website is just a better version of the max

Only thing it looks like to me that it lacks is maybe self defense if it’s just one player

But what ship doesn’t have that issue that’s not a cargo

[torn sphinx]

I've already got a chain for the Liberator for it's ferry capabilities for Org support.

I'm looking for a ship to use solo for mercenary missions (carry an Ursa for when we can't land on the front door), and small-medium hauling contracts. Group capabilities are a bonus.

That combo of features gives me: Freelancer Max, Constellation Taurus, and Starlancer Max as reasonably-priced options.

I normally wouldn't consider the Liberator for those roles, but it does meet the criteria and I already have it.

[brisk heart]

Looks like a good LHD too lol

If you load the ship up with smaller ships that get other jobs done it becomes a well rounded ship imo

It can hold like 3 small ships

[torn sphinx]

I'm not a fan of what they changed the Freelancers to, and there's nothing I like about the Constellation series - but for the niche I want to fill both are great choices.

[brisk heart]

Once I can get my hands on a liberatior I might try to make it my forever ship

[ocean compass]

dont do commodity trading.

wish i was joking, server is terribad atm

dont do commodity trading with money you cant afford to lose

i've gone down to less than 200k....

[brisk heart]

^ same

[ocean compass]

had to take a loan from a friend, then i lost it all again cos server crashes

[brisk heart]

Gotta pay interest?

[ocean compass]

then i swapped to doing vaugh missions where i was making 3m split profit

[torn sphinx]

I'm pretty sure the Freelancer Max is the "correct" choice of additional ship, since it offers the advantages of utilizing Medium hangars and landing pads, and fits into smaller clearings.

[ocean compass]

this guy old player, super old money kind of rich just pay 0 interest lol

[brisk heart]

My only thing is that the liberator can actually store other ships for other uses so it would be a great ship for teaching new guys or having a multi role ship

[ocean compass]

nomad is tiny ship so your cost not that much, but, Welcome to Star Citizen

[hollow sedge]

😦

[torn sphinx]

The Liberator's an almost-guaranteed lock for my fleet; I'm looking for the next ship to round it out.

[ocean compass]

i thought you were talking abt STARlancer max

[brisk heart]

I mean eventually if people do wars or something like elite dangerous I think that ship would be really handy

Or maybe that’s happening and I’m not looking in the right places

[torn sphinx]

I'm looking for any reason to consider the Starlancer Max, because it's the nicest of the three.

In practice, however, I cannot think of anything it offers that my already-existing Liberator cannot do well enough.

The Freelancer Max, on the other hand, fits places neither the Liberator nor the Starlancer Max can.

[brisk heart]

Liberator is still in concept of I’m correct, I don’t know if we can even get it in game yet (I could be wrong I’m very tired)

Looks almost done tbh

[torn sphinx]

I don't care about "today" choices. I'm working on my release fleet.

Worst case, I can make do with the Carrack.

[brisk heart]

I was just saying :(

Well the starlancer is a actual cargo while the liberator is a whole light carrier so it’s already at the advantage

The carrack doesn’t look like a bad option too, could be a placeholder for the ship till it comes out or just keep it

[vocal swan]

I know it's risky, was just trying a small amount to see. I managed to bedlog, then the next time I flew into a NB hangar I flew through the floor 😅 I flew back up to Tressler to store the ship.

[ocean compass]

i personally dont think for cargo i like freelancer

the storage space is tiny and hard to fit in things

[vocal swan]

Although my escape key isn't working in-game somehow so I'm idling in a corner to log out.

[ocean compass]

im currently using taurus as my daily driver. decent pilot dps, nice shields, hauls a respectable 174scu

comes with a tractor turret that saved my forgetful ass that keeps forgetting to bring a maxlift uncountable times

[torn sphinx]

That's a very valid criticism. Single-stack sucks for multiple contracts unless you limit yourself to one destination at a time.

Unfortunately, wanting a ship that can do double-duty as an Ursa transport limits the options quite a bit.

[ocean compass]

its really perfect as a daily driver, with 1 tiny issue. i dont like the drop down cargo bay as much, its kinda annoying after a while

mainly because i do gold runs, i buy in 24scus, it can only fit 4, im making use of 96scu only

[brisk heart]

Doesn’t the starlancer max have the ability to refuel itself?

[ocean compass]

i think c2 gonna be my go-to

just because open ramp throw things in

[ocean compass]

taurus can fit a ursa easily, at the expense of cargo space. even starlancer does that, back cargo area can fit vehicle or bring more cargo

[torn sphinx]

I have never enjoyed flying one of those - I did forget about it as an option.

[ocean compass]

but remember starlancer is nearly the size of a 890i

its really huge, so not fair to compare a starlancer to a taurus

[torn sphinx]

Wrong, The Starlancers are about 85m - they're the size of the 600i, not the 890.

[ocean compass]

i honestly think a c2 or m2 will be much better, back ramps + wide open space means can bring an atls easily enough

im debating trying out a c1, but its tiny 64 scu is sadge

[ocean compass]

oh ok

[torn sphinx]

That's why my short list is: Freelancer Max, Taurus, and Starlancer Max. They all fit the Ursa, and carry 100+ SCU of cargo.

The Starlancer is the most aesthetically appealing of the three to me, but it gets so close to the Liberator in size that it seems redundant.

If it weren't for the Liberator I don't think there would be a question. Since I do have the Liberator, the Freelancer Max offers the only "unique" feature of dropping two whole size categories for landing pads and hangars.

[ocean compass]

i see your point, if you want something smaller i honestly think starlancer is of course the most nice looking of the 3 + its a new ship with the new ship standards vs freelancer/taurus all waiting the gold pass

however freelancer is just all sorts of wrong to me, it looks terrible, cargo fits terribly in the narrow aisle, its super undergunned

[torn sphinx]

Can't argue a whole lot.

[ocean compass]

if i have to vote, i say you should choose between starlancer vs taurus, but starlancer 85m similar to liberator might as well fly that

[brisk heart]

The tarus has a pretty open and accessible cargo hold even with tractor beems if I’m right

[ocean compass]

it is, until you want to stack cargo

[torn sphinx]

Front- and rear- access means two contracts without mixing.

[ocean compass]

its now a mental exercise in what cargo size goes on top

[brisk heart]

Plus like 6 or 8 shielded cargo for smuggling if that’s what you’re into, not more than the max

It’s like that for every ship I’ve noticed cargo is ass

[ocean compass]

also taurus landing gear is terrible as fuck. likes to nose dip when landing, or just refuses to land

[brisk heart]

True

[ocean compass]

the elevator if you didnt check your landing every single time on a planet you can get stuck because its floating

[torn sphinx]

Thankfully it's got the cargo bay.

[brisk heart]

It also loves to push the ship off from landing and make its way wherever it wants

[ocean compass]

you know star citicon they showing the improved density (tm) of rocks n trees i really facepalmed

all i see is me getting stuck

genesis system

[torn sphinx]

Spirit's cargo layout is pretty decent - but you're sacrificing 1/3 of the space to get that ease of access.

[ocean compass]

aye c1 needs a 2nd access, then you can just dump cargo in the ass

c2 is where its at, or even the A2 front and back ramps

[torn sphinx]

Sometimes I feel like the newer devs would be happier if SC went away and Star Marine and Arena Commander become the whole game.

[brisk heart]

Can’t the max refuel itself in a nick?

[torn sphinx]

Hercules are even more off-balance then the Constellations.

[brisk heart]

So long distance travel shouldn’t be an issue

[ocean compass]

i tuned in on day1, it felt like they doing FPS citizen instead of STAR citizen, i didnt tune in for the rest of citcon

[brisk heart]

And I think the max has a bigger shield than the tarus

[ocean compass]

who cares abt planet density. who cares abt cover and what not

[torn sphinx]

The Dur has the fuel processing capabilities - although I have no idea what they really accomplish now.

[ocean compass]

fuel economy will be tweaked in the future

it will be significantly more expensive to fly your ship

these autofueling will have a part to play

in saving you costs

[brisk heart]

Making self fueling a good way to save money when you log

Yea

[ocean compass]

also new systems will be implemented, those are massive distances

[torn sphinx]

3x S2 vs 1x S3 is about the same total HP, because the S3 is quadrant based. Regen vastly favors the S3 shield - although the downside is you cannot replace it yourself if it gets destroyed.

[ocean compass]

anyway back to topic, if you have these 3 choices, starlancer max vs taurus vs freelancer max, vs a c2 or vc2

i would vote starlancer max just because its new ship design

if remove starlancer, i would prob say a c2, but taurus is a excellent daily driver

[brisk heart]

If you can get over the landing issues and minor cargo issues than yea

[ocean compass]

c2 has its issue. i feel like im driving blind

[torn sphinx]

Thanks for all the input.

[ocean compass]

whoever designed those tiny viewports so high up needs to be fired

no joke i drive c2 in F4 mode all the time

[torn sphinx]

C2 is too expensive and too much for the niche I'm looking for. I'm not interested enough in cargo to get above the 400 SCU I've already got access to. If I was, I'd probably look at the Caterpillar first just for visibility and ability to not face-plant on landing.

I wonder if they'll make a medical Atlas, with a T2 bed. That would change a lot of people's ship plans, I expect. 🙂

[ocean compass]

i want a proper fighting exosuit / mecha in star citizen

then we can reenact gundam

launching! then fly out battle the vanduul :p

[brisk heart]

I loaded back into my game, I have a shit load of extra cargo but no contract, the game crashed and now I have a shit load of free cargo? Or? Idk how to get rid of it tbh

Company will NOT be happy with me

[torn sphinx]

To prevent abuse it's almost valueless. Best option is to abandon ship when you log out, and then come back long enough to file a claim for tomorrow night.

[brisk heart]

So basically load all of it and die or something?

Cuz it ain’t giving me a drop off point to give it back

[torn sphinx]

I don't think you need to die. If you log out in space, you should log back in at the last spaceport you visited, but the ship will become "lost".

So just log back in immediately, file the claim, and then logout for the night.

[brisk heart]

And that lost will prevent my rep from going to hell?

[torn sphinx]

Too late for that.

[brisk heart]

Lmao

[torn sphinx]

All that's left is the cleanup.

[brisk heart]

Well it didn’t look like they got too mad but I’m back at neutral with em

Maybe if the servers didn’t drop to 3fps it would’ve been okay

[torn sphinx]

Stability will be one of the tells, I think.

Chris said he wants SC Live in 12-18 months. Stability was one of the necessary features they mentioned, and if they don't start getting that dialed in, it will be obvious they're either going to miss their deadline or release a crap product.

[brisk heart]

The game’s got wild potential tbh

[torn sphinx]

That's why I keep giving them money. I'm here for the tech first and the game second.

[brisk heart]

I need to see about finding people to role with eventually to make this game more fun

[torn sphinx]

Thus the trouble with figuring out what ships to own. I buy discounted CCUs when I see development boundaries being pushed, and then I need to figure out what to do with them.

[brisk heart]

My roommate said after I work irl I just to go work in video games too much after duty lol

[torn sphinx]

Same. These changes are not good for me - I like harvesting games too much.

[brisk heart]

It’s not that, it’s that we work all day from 500-1600 just to work 1600-2200 on star citizen 😭

[torn sphinx]

Ouch.

[brisk heart]

I gotta get that money to buy more ships to do more in the game 🙄

Just like that elite dangerous grind except the server gives out and you loose all of your cargo and money even though apparently the game has preexistent item locations so they’re supposed to stay there forever but they don’t

Except the grind was easier in ED 😔 no where near this time consuming

[torn sphinx]

Mission persistence would be a great place to focus.

After that, balancing persistence. Wrecks last way too long, and bodies not long enough.

[brisk heart]

Absolutely cuz I had 4 hours on that but cuz the server fucked up I lost those other 3 hours

I hate logging servers just to be kicked and close the contract

Every time 😭

Honestly made maybe 400k so far in game but lost a lot of it due to supplies in gear and shit that straight up disappears if I die

Or it just fades into existence

[ocean compass]

which is why this game infuriates me with their vision sometimes

but many people support that vision

CIG wants to make this life-like, aka 2nd job

i just wanna play a game

[brisk heart]

I just hope the insurance in game isn’t a 1:1 with real life 😟

[ocean compass]

the initial fun of star citizen is there, but many things start getting old, like uncountable bugs requirign various workarounds, nothing just works

everything break downs

i have 0 interest in giving them any money

[torn sphinx]

The problem is what kind of game do you want to play vs. what kind of game do I want to play vs. . . .

[ocean compass]

also they actively wants to make life difficult.

[somber bay]

"make life difficult"=making a game a game

[brisk heart]

Like loosing a multi million dollar ship because of a server bug?

[somber bay]

make life difficult=creating money sinks

[ocean compass]

you know currently everything is scaled to this system. once they added new systems, the distance created will be massive

it takes 10-15mins to fly across stanton

[torn sphinx]

That's not a game loop. That's what will break the company if CIG doesn't start working on stability.

[ocean compass]

are you interested to fly / do nothing for 30mins next time "travelling"

this is pure disrespect for people's time

[brisk heart]

Aand maybe pour a little bit of fun into the game

[torn sphinx]

And that's at an accellerated rate for development simplicity.

[brisk heart]

Some of us don’t have time like others too

[ocean compass]

i just get the sense that CIG just dont respect our time

[somber bay]

its supposed to take longer, but we are also supposed to get local gameplay which is what the dedicated an entire panel to explaining at citcon

[ocean compass]

^ sounds worse

[somber bay]

this is an alpha for a game with many planned features not implemented

[ocean compass]

where is the respect for our time

[brisk heart]

Local gameplay?

[torn sphinx]

Pretty respectful of my interests. Especially since I'll be spending the time maintaining my ship and plotting new jobs, so I don't have to do that after landing.

[somber bay]

thats how it has been from the concept

[somber bay]

thats what local gameplay is for

[brisk heart]

I can’t be on duty all day just to sit on my ass for an hour flying that’s just makes me wanna play another game at that rate

[ocean compass]

im ok to spend time travleling, im not ok to spend 30mins travelling

its the scale that annoys me

[somber bay]

so dont, play in the local planetary area

[ocean compass]

im not asking for instant teleports

[somber bay]

so dont do that

[torn sphinx]

There's a reason I'm Concierge, and haven't even accepted a free copy of CoD.

[brisk heart]

Shit why didn’t I think of that 🤔 just not fly around

[ocean compass]

why should i do that? i paid for the content

[torn sphinx]

And it's the scale that attracted me to the project.

[ocean compass]

lol

[somber bay]

you paid for a game and that is part of the game

[ocean compass]

i just wish things are a tad faster instead of moving this to be a 2nd job after i finish my day job

[brisk heart]

Yea

[somber bay]

so wait for the systems that speed gameplay up are implemented

[ocean compass]

sure, if im alive to see it 🙂

[brisk heart]

Real

[copper lantern]

Apologies, I think I asked before - is there a way to auto-load inventory into your ship? Like clothes/armor/guns ?

[somber bay]

no, but you can buy a cargo box to transfer that inventory more quickly

[copper lantern]

Oh! There's a place in Lorville for that?

[torn sphinx]

We're hoping they add an ability to create restock lists, but I don't think it's even a consideration for now.

[brisk heart]

I think you can get it at any station at the cargo area maybe

[copper lantern]

ah okay!

[torn sphinx]

Sadly no. you need to Fly up to Everus, buy a crate at the Cargo deck, and fly back down with it.

[somber bay]

I don't think so, but there is at everus harbor

thats why area 18 is better

[torn sphinx]

They sell them?

[copper lantern]

ah okay, thank you!

[torn sphinx]

Dumper's Depot, I assume.

[somber bay]

yes and furniture

[torn sphinx]

Tammany & Sons sells the furniture, but not the crates.

[brisk heart]

I hope insurance is like it is in ED or something

Only gotta pay it when you loose the ship, and it’s only 5% of the total cost and you keep everything you put into it

[somber bay]

they just explained it

[torn sphinx]

A couple patches ago any ground vehicle I claimed was delivered to my starting planet no matter where I was. I've been using Lorville ever since so I could get the vehicle at the outer ring and load it onto my ship there.

[somber bay]

thats not how it will be

[brisk heart]

I know 😔

I can hope

[torn sphinx]

They're planning a lot more credit sinks to try and combat long-term inflation.

[somber bay]

yes

[brisk heart]

Credit sinks?

[somber bay]

you'll also have to pay for hangar fees to maintain a persistent hangar, and be able to pay for them on multiple planets

[somber bay]

places for money to go

to increase the velocity of uec

[torn sphinx]

Death tax, fuel and repair costs, insurance, hangar fees, etc.

[somber bay]

discourage hoarding

[torn sphinx]

Eve's in-game finances were a strong negative example for SC's concept.

[brisk heart]

Yes make life expensive and make missions pay near nothing :)

[torn sphinx]

That's another balance area they need to work on.

What kind of missions have you been doing?

[brisk heart]

Missions lowkey need to pay more the missions I get from cargo are paying less than 30k for running around 100 cargo

[copper lantern]

How do you put stuff into the boxes? :o

[brisk heart]

Or to like 4 places

[torn sphinx]

I'm only just into Medium cargo missions. Usually I find it's more profitable to take multiple Small Direct missions going to the same place.

[brisk heart]

Yeah which I thinks kinda bad cuz it makes mediums worthless

[torn sphinx]

I've managed to get 5 missions totaling about 40 SCU to the same destination, for about 60K.

[brisk heart]

That’s why I did before the server crashed and I have all this extra cargo

[brisk heart]

Sounds about right it looks to be one of the faster ways to make money too

Combat is risky, literally plus running out of ammo mid fight is a problem I keep running into

[torn sphinx]

There are some decently-paying bunker missions once you get decent, and if you have a partner there are some good distribution center missions even at a moderate reputation.

I'm still learning very slowly - other then SC the last fps-type game I played was Jedi Knight: Outcast.

[brisk heart]

The FPS in this game is okay at best

Imo

[torn sphinx]

A partner slows down the profit, but greatly improves survivability. And if you want to put in the time looting, you can sell gear - some of the standard weapons sell for ~1000 aUEC each.

Hurston bunkers are usually P4s, so if you're using that weapon you typically come out of the mission with more ammo then you started with. The Distros are more mixed, so finding enough ammo is harder, but it's a good supplement.

[brisk heart]

I hope insurance isn’t shit when the real game comes out

[copper lantern]

Apologies, how do I put things into these boxes without having to manipulate every item individually?

[brisk heart]

Hate to buy a multi million ship just to get murdered by gankers or some big ass guy and be left stranded without a ship

[brisk heart]

You have to manipulate them individually if I’m correct

[torn sphinx]

One-by-one is the only option so far.

[copper lantern]

You have to manually put it in the boxes? But then what's the point of boxes ..

[brisk heart]

To hold the gear that your backpack can’t

[torn sphinx]

The boxes themselves are still pretty new; they're in the process of physicalizing all the storage.

[brisk heart]

That shit ways almost 1 ton btw it can really fit shit

[torn sphinx]

If your ship can carry an 8-SCU box that'll fit 3-4 full suits of armor, a dozen weapons, and a bunch of other random stuff with lots of space left over. Even a 1-SCU crate holds a decent amount.

[leaden monolith]

lower the elevator, put the box on it and double click the box to open it. Drag and drop what you want into the box and close the box. Bring up the elevator and put the box in your ship. Do the reverse when you get to where you want the stuff in the box. Tedious and a time sink.

[torn sphinx]

But better then using the item kiosk like I've been doing.

You spend way too much time scrolling there.

[brisk heart]

Fuck my ship bruhhh

[leaden monolith]

Or moving your stack of 30 med pens onto the elevator only for them to appear as 30 individual med pens. Only fell for that trick once.

[brisk heart]

Dear god

This game is great 👍🏻 no bugs or issues

[leaden monolith]

Just features

[copper lantern]

Ah! Okay, thank you.

[brisk heart]

Multi million dollar ship with expensive insurance that doesn’t cover anything besides the manufacturing issues?! sign me up 🙇🏻‍♀️

[copper lantern]

Can you remind me where to buy an ATLS in game please? I am so sorry for so many questions.

[tall karma]

In your freight elevator, move the container to the elevator, then double click it to open it. Then you can move whatever you want from your warehouse. You can try using the "move all" with a filter like "weapons" or "helmets", but it's finicky and doesn't like large numbers of items

[copper lantern]

so you'll have to click and drag then for each item on the ground?

[leaden monolith]

If you put individual items on the elevator then yes. If there is a way for CIG to make a simple task more complicated and time consuming they will implement it.

[copper lantern]

Ah - you can't just put things in the boxes while in the freight elevator.

or .. hm

[leaden monolith]

You can but you have to do it while the elevator is lowered. Move the box from your inventory to the elevator, double click the box to open it then drag items directly into the box.

Double clicking the box makes that whole left hand side of the freight elevator screen the interior of the box.

[ocean compass]

you know abt cstone?

item finder, find everything there

[copper lantern]

Oh I can d othis!

I can just do this instead of the other thing

[ocean compass]

https://finder.cstone.space/

i teaching you how2fish 🙂

[copper lantern]

Thank you c:

[ocean compass]

this cstone is to find everything under SC, items or rental etc all there

[copper lantern]

go figure, i move a bunch of stuff more easily and the game breaks

mouse cursor stuck on the screen and i can't turn or interact

cant press esc

[leaden monolith]

That first pic looks like your item locker not the freight elevator.

Could be an incoming server error. Wait it out if it is.

[copper lantern]

yes well it was easier to move things from the item locker to a box in the item bank

no 30k coming

[leaden monolith]

the game knows

[ocean compass]

its easier to drop items you want to transfer on the floor, then drag it into the SCU boxes

fyi

there's even a button you can bind to drop things

[copper lantern]

oh i see

huh, the items on the ground cant be transferred

cant move them ..

[ocean compass]

you need to be able to highlight them item

then F open scu boxes, then transfer

it only works for SCU boxes

[copper lantern]

highlight? eh? i'm using SCU boxes right now

[ocean compass]

drag the item on the floor directly into the SCU box inventory

[copper lantern]

the items on the floor are not selectable

[ocean compass]

ok it should be selectable, by being highlighted while you mouseover them

then you can drag into the scu boxes

[copper lantern]

No.

[ocean compass]

then im sorry 😦

[copper lantern]

The boxes on the ground cannot be selected or highlighted. Oh well.

Thanks anyways

[ocean compass]

another way is

remove your items

i think those are armor?

remove your undersuit store it, then wear the armor pieces and store them

[copper lantern]

yeah they're armor, i could just equip a bunch i guess but eh

Too much work for something that'll be wiped in a month

[ocean compass]

well if you put it that way, just alt f4 uninstall 😛

[copper lantern]

Bahaha

It's more just I was hoping not to spend 8 hours in order to move things from Lorville to Everus

[serene quest]

Happened to me before. I used the multitool to move em. Then I was able to interact

[glass hawk]

!tradetools

[jolly dagger]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[pearl viper]

I'm liking this 'Degraded Performance' status. I've had no issues the last 2 nights. I spent 3 hours scraping debris in the Aaron halo, very peaceful

[pearl juniper]

For me, it either works or it doesn't. Sometimes I get on and get a 30k within minutes. Then reconnect and it's great for the next couple hours. Shouldn't jinx myself, got a C2 full of gold at the moment...

[humble merlin]

I wish this worked more consistently. A lot of the time when I try this it never saves what I've moved into boxes and it all just reverts.

Could be the server issues though.

[pearl viper]

Have the bigger crates of RMC switched to the newer model? I like the new model for the 1scu crate and just wanted to ask. Tomorrow night I'll probably take my reclaimer out and check myself.

[cloud robin]

All sizes should be the new black and yellow

[ocean compass]

if you scrapped 30 scu in 3hrs, brother you need to move a tad faster 😛 hahaha

[tulip pebble]

I keep getting this error that "This shop doesnt accept the container size" for all 3 cargo sizes. Anything that Ive done wrong here?

Is this because you cant sell Construction Material at New Babbage?

[pearl juniper]

Is that admin, or the TDD?

[tulip pebble]

TDD

[pearl juniper]

CM only sells at admin

[tulip pebble]

Thanks mate. Any idea where this is at New Babbage?

[pearl juniper]

Sorry, I don't know New Babbage very well

[pearl viper]

Not about min maxing. Was about having fun while watching YouTube

[spare cloud]

No too far from the TDD, it's somewhere around the commons, called interplanetary something

[tulip pebble]

Thank you!

[leaden monolith]

when leaving the commons past the two food shops you enter the next area. Left is shubin, straight ahead is TDD and to the right is admin. Been a while since I was in NB so can't remember the name of that area.

[coarse ember]

When you're standing at the entrance to the commons with the AI lady it'll be on the first right turn then it'll be on your Left if you're facing towards TDD

[wraith ice]

how is trading this patch?

[golden fern]

I lost 1.6 mil due to cargo vanishing from station inventory. So there’s that. There’s also the 30k’s that have been frequent enough to keep you paranoid. But in the classic Star citizen way: sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe bad

[agile holly]

if you got the guts feel free to launch game

[wraith ice]

what about the hull c?

[shy coral]

does hauling at higher rep make more money? i feel like junior rank doesnt make enough

[pearl juniper]

yeah, it goes up. The large missions never make enough in my opinion, but some of the small size missions pay around 60k at Experienced level, and you can stack 3-4 of them at a time.

[sly ravine]

what S2 tractor beam is best?

the HV or the PR or stock?

do any of them cross any thresholds for moving stuff?

[upper perch]

How come it won't let me sell my fricking drugs

[sly ravine]

the sell terminal at grim hex is broken across all servers

go to a salvage yard and hope

[upper perch]

Thats CRU L5 ^^ is it broken too

[sly ravine]

yes

you need a salvage yard or wait for a hotfix

[upper perch]

ic ic ty

I can store it all in grimhex tho right?

[sonic fiber]

Delivery location hangar doors don't open. Oh well.

Is there some more efficient way to move a bunch of 1scu boxes than handheld tractor?

[vestal ravine]

I would try the ATLS mecha...

[sonic fiber]

I don't think that is in the game yet

Maybe the argo tractor?

[golden fern]

It’s in game at all major cities except NB

[sonic fiber]

Ah

Well.even then looks like it's still one box at a time

I need more like a forklift 🙂

[pearl juniper]

Speaking of the ATLS, I finally tried mine last night, seemed really inconsistent in how it worked. But maybe I was doing something wrong? Seemed like about 50% of the time it would function just like a normal tractor beam, 25% of the time it would pull the box right into my face so I couldn't see to place it, and 25% of the time it would give me the hologram to place the box and then place it there for me. Is it just buggy in the current patch, or is this operator error?

[glad laurel]

anyone have issues with cargo hauling missions not working still? ive been having an issue where i turn in a mission with all the cargo into the freight elevator and it would say contract complete but when i go to contracts it says i did for example 0 out of 81 scu of cargo

[sonic fiber]

I had one work and one where delivery location wouldn't open and had to abandon

[frank warren]

Yeah, friend was having that issue too, both with the ALTS and Zeus CL

[mild pumice]

They seem to have added a safe mode to the ATLS as it just used to yank the boxes no matter whether they were obstructed or not and end up ploughing through anything in their path (fun playing cargo skittles lol) however now if even the box is touching another on a grid it can fail to pull unless the player scrolls, this is why it seems inconsistent.

The box in the face thing is really annoying, again it used to hold the box above the shoulder, not sure why they changed it, overall it's pretty poor tbh, I tend to just use it for shunting boxes and my tractors for placing.

[ocean compass]

something abt where you stand will affect ATLS behaviour

[blissful flume]

Is the game playable yet?

[grim quarry]

saw a vid on it, seems okay

[grim quarry]

same

[blissful flume]

Alright been trying to sell my reclaimer scrap for days now

[icy imp]

Is there a way I can store my ATLS? Trying to figure out how to get it from a small hangar to a medium

[fair cloak]

Does anyone know if the trade routes have been updated?
and part 2.... IS HULL C Working?

[icy imp]

It says "on pad" but the option is to "claim" it

google said to use the lobby terminals but it doesn

t show up there

Tried to slip it down there with another ship and the hole spit them both back out

[crimson mantle]

1. They have been the same for some time. Feel free to double check with the website, we are up-to-date. If not 100% accurate on prices, at least on who buys/sells what 🙂
2. Apparently it works, but this is 3.24.2... caution is advised.

[icy imp]

ok nothing worked so I just had to claim it, got one in each hangar now oh well

[vocal swan]

This is for a small amount of gold, but if I send down cargo at NB for a trade order, and it vanishes but also I don't get paid, will that money maybe show up eventually or is it likely gone? I'll check tomorrow regardless.

[scarlet owl]

It's likely gone, I would send it down into your station storage before trying the trade order.

[vocal swan]

I'll do that next time, I thought I tried to auto-unload but it ended up in a sell order state before I offloaded it.

But first I have to do I guess hauling missions to get back up from my balance of 9k 😄

Maybe bounty hunting instead for a change.

[ocean compass]

dont do thigns that has a start up cost (comoodity trading) because servers are really really unstable atm

do bounty or hauling missions

at least net gain

it feels bad to lose money despite playing for hrs

[brisk heart]

Where’s the best place to buy gold?

Or a place in general?

[coarse ember]

If you'd like I can donate some funds to help your thin wallet when I wake up tomorrow lol

[ocean compass]

only 2 place. check the uexcorp website

please check the elevators first

[scarlet owl]

can't get the hull c loading to work, just stuck at commencing cargo transfer 00:00

[cloud robin]

Hull C is broken atm

Don't use it

[still mauve]

o7

i see hapsatenite or how do you say not selling good at ar corp

at least it wasnt yesterday made 20k lost with that

othervise scrap and cooper are good on pyrogateway

[brisk heart]

Huh?

What’s wrong with the freight elevators?

[ocean compass]

in the event the elevators not working, but you bought the gold already you cant bring it up

then your gold is stuck in the outpost unable to be moved so you lost your money

always check outpost elevators working first before buying the commodities

[brisk heart]

Ah

I thought you could get it automatically loaded into the ship no?

Just set the transfer to the ship?

[ocean compass]

outposts are all manual transfer

only hangars has auto load/ unload

but in this patch doesnt seem to be working

[soft mantle]

Loading 200scu manually into the barely functional C2

[brisk heart]

Great feature, imagine if they were all individually too

[soft mantle]

THEY ARE

And it literally requires 2 peopke since the ramp doesnt reach the ground anymore

[leaden monolith]

Cargo Empires has currently destroyed the cargo loop.

[vestal ravine]

I've lost 3.8 million so far my empire is going broke!

[tall karma]

I lost 20mil experimenting with the hull c last patch. It's all monopoly money anyway!

There is a trick to sell a full Hull C though. If you can bedlog in one, when you log back in you can close the spindles with the cargo attached. Then you can get the ship impounded and retrieve it to a hangar. Then you can lift off, open the spindles, and use the on board tractor turrets to dump all the cargo into the hagar, close spindles, jump out (I load up an ATLS on the elevator and jump out on that). Now put all the dumped cargo into the freight elevators, and once the hangar is cleared you can store your hull c from the lobby.

[sly robin]

what's your best way to load a zeus ?

[zealous thistle]

Hey guys is it still not possible to sell 32 scu containers of weevil eggs

[spare cloud]

And won't ever be at least until Pyro

[vocal swan]

I should be able to manage, but thanks!

[frank warren]

Yes, you have to sell them at the Salvage yards

[zealous thistle]

They accept 32 scu now ?

[frank warren]

They should

[spare cloud]

They upsized the elevator ?

[frank warren]

I thought they could. I might be wrong

[spare cloud]

I need proof, show me

[frank warren]

xD

I thought they could accept 32 scu

Maybe I am wrong

[zealous thistle]

All good , sure wish they wouldn’t have screwed that up lol

[valid kraken]

Can anybody join me this afternoon and help me do trade routes? I'd like to figure out how to do that vs hauling missions

[spare cloud]

Ask a !guide ⬇️ or in #looking-for-session 👍

Wake up bot

Do your thing

!guide

[jolly dagger]

Star Citizen's Player Guide System

Click the link above to request a player who can guide you through any gameplay aspect, including the Basics. Can also be used to find a buddy to play with!

Login required to access the page

[spare cloud]

[valid kraken]

Will do

Just figured this is a much more direct route to finding people who are interested

[spare cloud]

These channels are for discussion over those topic specifically. You have a lot more chance finding people online in #looking-for-session , or people actually willing to help on the guide program

It also keeps the "hey anyone wanna join" talks in one single place

[tall karma]

I did read some chatter about the elevators eating 32scu boxes and it showing up in the warehouse even though it looked totally broken

That was PTU though

[digital echo]

AFAIK, they still cannot Their solution to this was literally to say "go sell it in Pyro"

[mild agate]

So i don't know if i'm doing this wrong, i've bought cargo on the commodity screen. 64 SCU and used the auto load feature. It accepted and told me to wait 1.5 minutes. I stayed at the screen till the timer went out and clicked accept.
Had my ship in storage for auto-loading and i've called my ship and nothing has been loaded into it.
Do i need to be in a hangar then request my ship or can i do it from the screens by the lifts?

I've tried this twice now and both times it's not worked or is it just due to the servers being a bit iffy right now?

I've also got a c1 spirit so 64 is the max SCU it holds

[brisk heart]

The servers are in a really bad spot rn nothing is exactly working properly, I’ve been having to load everything manually

[mild agate]

I did try to load there but 30k'd, think i'll just wait till the servers are more stable

manually load*

[brisk heart]

Just wait for now, I couldn’t even leave the station without a 30k

[sonic fiber]

And crash. Nor sure I'll ever finish a mission

[sonic fiber]

And crash. I give up

[limpid sluice]

Samson and Sons on Wala, working freight elevator on this shard, if anyones looking. I know theyve been hit or miss.

[hollow sedge]

what are people trading now a days?

been doing gold but it gives low profit

[cloud robin]

They've mostly been working after this patch

In contrast to the servers...

[sly robin]

nothing 'cause there is too much 30K

[soft mantle]

Can you auto load hauling missions?

[spare cloud]

Nope

[soft mantle]

My worker ants remain employed

[fresh abyss]

tractor beam ships better for cargo mission i assume?

[ocean compass]

no, usually hand held multitool / maxlift / atls better

ship tractor beams are weird nowadays, its insanely sensitive and hard to control

[slate spruce]

Ship tbs are good for crude manipulation. I.e. unload all Caterpillar modules via maxlift just outside, and then use ship tb to yeet it all to freight elevator

[ocean compass]

that works, however i really think ship TBs really need to fix that sensitivity thing

its definitely good in a pinch, like situations where i realised i have only a multitool but this is too big for it

taurus TB has saved me a lot of times, but its painful to use everytime i use it

[limpid sluice]

That's what everyone says but every time I've been to Brio's the elevator is broken still. And the only reason I think the elevators are better this patch is because the servers are shit lol

[limpid sluice]

Whoops, meant to reply to this

[crisp bobcat]

If I am taking SCU off of my ship and putting in on the elevator but the snap boxes aren't coming up its, I probably should do it right?

[zealous thistle]

I think you have to right click now for snap box’s to show up , left click is like a free move

[crisp bobcat]

Ah

[leaden monolith]

yep that's how it's working now and why? Because it was simple and easy to do before and that just isn't the SC way.

[valid kraken]

Well, I showed up to a mine and bought 500k worth of Gold. Being my first time I didn't check the elevators to see if they worked. How cooked am I?

[leaden monolith]

Completely. Only chance is to server hop and hope like hell

[sonic fiber]

Yeah it's unplayable

[elfin rune]

TDD doesnt recognize my ships load

not even the ship apparently, it works with others

any hint?

its a RAFT

[real yew]

I melted my C1 to buy a Zeus CL. I don't regret it.

[mild pumice]

Wow it actually worked - now let's see if I can get rid of it at the other end 😄

[tall karma]

I have seen hull c work as long as the server is sorta working. Just don't try to do cargo missions with it.

It can load the cargo for a mission but not unload. And your hull c spindles cannot have ANY damage when you load/unload

[mild pumice]

It's a cargo mission I figure I can just abandon if it wont work - I have some weird behaviour now it requested me to load a second time, I'm waiting for that time to finish then see if I can offload lol

@tall karma it works!

right, let's try the big one!

All loaded up 🙂

Hull C is much faster in QT now and looks like it can do the system's longest journey 14 times on one tank

default setup

2/2 let's not push my luck 😄

[soft mantle]

Whys the hud yellow and blue now eugh

[mild pumice]

Oh shit the weight of the cargo affects the handling

[soft mantle]

Hull C may no longer be a fav

[soft mantle]

Real hull c pilot finds out the hard way every time

[mild pumice]

was unexpected as it's not a thing (I think) for other ships

[soft mantle]

I think other ships just dont haul enough to tell

Rarely ever would i think you load up a C2 enough to notice

[mild pumice]

Yeah that 4500scu was slow AF

I enjoyed the loop though 🙂

Nice to see it work for a change

[soft mantle]

Not sure if i miss or am glad im no longer doing those 5 million credit hauls in the hull c like i was in 3.23.1

[mild pumice]

I tried a few times to make a big ticket haul in the Hull C it just ate my money

I figured the cargo mission was no risk since you can abandon them now with no -rep

100k for about 20 mins work not too shabby

[soft mantle]

I watched season 2 of invincible all the way through while hauling millions

I made like 18 million by thr final episode

[mild pumice]

nice

[soft mantle]

After many a time randomly not getting the cargo

[real yew]

How long does it take to load up all the 4500 SCU manually? Or is it loading automatically for the Hull?

[soft mantle]

i dont think you can manually load it since its in space

[mild pumice]

It's automated loading, took about 5 mins to load just waiting 🙂

Only for the Hull C of course

[wide knoll]

How much do the mediums go to all I have is a caterpillar

[mild pumice]

On Senior Rank with Caterpilar 125k is about the max (300-400scu in <16scu)

They take about 1hr though as it drops at 3 locations - should pay more tbh

[wide knoll]

Yeah I’d probably do normal cargo running after that

I mean what would you recommend @mild pumice

Because I feel like going and shuttling drugs would be good at that point but the issue is I can never find a place with enough resources and you don’t really bring it anywhere

You go like two feet over

[mild pumice]

I recommend do what brings you fun tbh, I have done a lot of these missions already I enjoy them

[wide knoll]

Fair enough

[mild pumice]

I was doing it for the rank not the credits but I do think they should compensate more for the time

[wide knoll]

Yeah I’ve been doing 9 junior missions a run

And have finished around 3 of those runs now

And I’m only around half way though junior

[mild pumice]

I had a good stack of missions when I was experienced rank that I enjoyed doing at Microtech

I think it was 6 missions

[wide knoll]

What does lizard reaction mean

[sonic fiber]

Can we still.sell commodities from ship directly or do we have to unload then now?

[spare cloud]

In cities and station, if your ship is stored you can sell from it

For a fee

And if the cargo is on the grid

Pick the largest boxes you can to lower the fee, check pinned messages

[lyric tusk]

Now that I have been using it for a bit I am totally in love with the Zeus CL🥰

The tractor beam on the back is dope af

Makes picking up cargo ultra fast

[quartz prawn]

Do the breaker yards accept 32 scu crates?

And do the cargo elevators work in them now?

[spare cloud]

Afaik no

[quartz prawn]

Damn

[toxic citrus]

too bad the cargo grid is pretty dookie

[lyric tusk]

How so?

[toxic citrus]

I don't quite like it for doing hauling missions

[craggy tapir]

Yea....

[toxic citrus]

Sure, it fits 3 8scu crates side by side fine-ish, but it's pretty sketchy

[craggy tapir]

Loading is quite ass

Especially with its small ramp entrance

[toxic citrus]

yeah

[mild pumice]

I am a lizard

[tall vigil]

If I buy a bunch of cargo from a station, how do I transfer it to the Hull C? I'm trying the cargo option for ATC and not getting a response.

[lost brook]

when i try to sell my cargo it end up being displayed as 0aUEC, how can i go around this bug

[covert glacier]

Yo, let me get a hotdog food ship that allows me to receive beacon missions to bring hotdogs to people that are starving.

I want to advance my career in game as a wiener delivery ship.

[mild pumice]

This is just demand issue, you have to wait for demand to increase, the problem is the current demand is less than the smallest size container you have so it looks like you can sell when actually you can't.

[vestal ravine]

Someone in a Zeus cl and a srv trapped my Vulture with the tractor beams in space. Had a hell of a time trying to get away ended up shooting and ramming the CL. Those tractor beans are only for legal cargo or disabled ships.

[lyric tusk]

Those tractor beams are for whatever we can come up with to use them for 😂

[fluid sentinel]

Any reason to pick the herc m2 over the c2 for some hauling? any benefit of losing some of the cargo space

[mild pumice]

If you run a crew more defence

I expect in the future it'll have more armour too but I'm assuming the Hull health is the same now?

[fluid sentinel]

I have a 600i i could just upgrade from since idk if that's ever going to get updated in the next few years

I got maybe 2 people to play with sometimes so thinking about it

[sonic fiber]

I guess you can't sell construction material at a station anymore? From a reclaimer

[mild pumice]

Correct as you cannot dock

Only exception is Grim Hex

Due to XL Hangar

[hollow sedge]

Is gold runs still good?

[sonic fiber]

Dang

What about auto loading in personal hangars? Does rhat work?

[mild pumice]

You can use auto loading/unloading at any station/location your ship is 'stored'

[sonic fiber]

But how? Freight managaer?

Or where I sell? Tdd

[mild pumice]

Yes once your ship is stored go to the Admin office and sell. (For construction materials not TDD)

[sonic fiber]

Okay I thought I checked that and it didn't even show any cargo

I'll try it

[mild pumice]

There will be a timer after you create your sale where you cannot use your ship (whilst it's unloaded)

I remind you, the ship must be 'stored' I.e not on a pad or parked somewhere

You can only sell items that are on your cargo grid this way AFAIK

[sonic fiber]

Not just loose, but on a grid?

[mild pumice]

AFAIK yes

Otherwise just unload your cargo and send it down the freight elevator then go and sell

[sonic fiber]

Okay thanks. I'm just testing, but tell her it's hard to tell what is bugged and what is supposed to work

[mild agate]

I can't seem to get the automatic cargo loader to work, if I click on my ship on the drop down menu it doesn't let me load it but if click on my name then cargo grid it says it loads but the cargo doesn't actually load. Anyone else having this problem?

[thorny lodge]

Do ship guns and missiles fit in big scu boxes now?

[sonic fiber]

Okni see how autoloadijg is supposed to work, but it shows wrong ship and then no cargo appears when I check the ship out

[ocean compass]

auto loading / unloading has been broken for me this patch

[sonic fiber]

Yeah same so far. Tried two ships, got nothing

SNAFU

[static blade]

hello fellow citizens, i have a slight problem with my hauling mission. there is a missing box to deliver but i never got it. its actually scrap what i gotta move from NB to Port Tressler. so i was going to buy the scrap at port tressler and just put it into the storage room. maybe that works. but when i tried to buy scrap it didnt spawn at my selected location. anyone knows a fix?

[ocean compass]

doesnt work that way

[static blade]

okay a shame

[ocean compass]

if you accepted a mission to haul things

you need to go to in your case, port tressler's hangar

look for the freight elevators

[static blade]

but i took everything in my ship and i also unloaded everything.

i transported boxes of scrap from NB to port tressler

[ocean compass]

go to it, there's a terminal, you need to bring up the freight from within the warehouse to the hangar, manually load on your ship, then bring to location, manually unload into a freight elevator there, then send down

that should complete the mission

it sounds like your expecting things auto loaded into your ship, doesnt work that way

if there's a missing hauling cargo

[static blade]

no

[ocean compass]

that mission's fked, i would suggest exit to menu / alt f4 to save rep

[static blade]

maybe my english is not good enough but i already at port tressler

[ocean compass]

cannot be fixed by buying commodities to turn in

[static blade]

you have rep on hauling missions? i am fucked

i accepted alot

[ocean compass]

its fine

just complete what you can

missions can be completed with like minimum 50% of the cargo

but you get 50% of the payout

[static blade]

its 1 am and i am tired asf doing this missions LOL

[mild agate]

Also I wanted to ask I was doing a hauling mission, I delivered the cargo but in the mission log it says it didn't complete the cargo as it's red I've also gotten no rep for the mission but did get money.

[ocean compass]

if it's like 1 or 2scu missing of 8, its fine

[static blade]

same for me

[ocean compass]

yeah sounds buggy

[mild agate]

Dang think I just can't do any hauling missions then

[ocean compass]

this entire cargo / trading / hauling gameplay loop is just annoying with the amount of things that can potentially break

[static blade]

great. btw i was able to fit 96 scu into the c1 :))

it only has 64 to offer

[ocean compass]

main reason why i've moved to purely gold trading (checked elevator first) / bounty ERT or vaugh mission

[static blade]

gold seems good

got 700k is that good for beginning?

[ocean compass]

vaugh has insane payouts. i had a vaugh 2 days ago with 267 scu of weevil eggs

[mild agate]

Yeah think I'll just gold trade but I've got to do it out in the open as the auto loader doesn't work for me

[ocean compass]

the profit was over 18m with 1 single mission

[static blade]

lol

never heard of vaugh missions tbh

[ocean compass]

autoload never works in outpost

its not supposed to

autoload supposed to work only with places with hangars

[mild agate]

Ah fair enough

[static blade]

bye good night yall

[ocean compass]

its under the unverified (illegal tab)

[static blade]

quitting these mf missions

[ocean compass]

super lucrative

[static blade]

okay well lets see tmrw

or am i going to say today? lol

its 1 am

[ocean compass]

well go get some sleep, night

[sick junco]

Did they nerf rmc prices?

i keep being told by orgmates that now rmc isn't the best money maker anymore

[golden fern]

rmc is like 13k

[ember dune]

hi is it true that any drug container higher than 24scu is now completly usless?

as in, no place buys them?

[golden fern]

correct

none of the locations have elevators that support the larger containers

[ember dune]

that is very bad

but 26.5 tons still can mean 24 scu container right?

which can be sold

if im not wrong

[ember dune]

it does 🙂

[tall vigil]

CIG once again showing how much effort they put into each and every patch

[golden fern]

i feel like it's another case of one team not communicating with the other teams when these changes are made. it also makes me wonder how much SC the devs actually get to play. (live builds, not the test builds)

[tall vigil]

It's because most of the dev team is underpaid and new. CIG can't hold on to any workers because upper management treats them like shit; so those workers don't really have much incentive to try all that hard or stick around long.

[lost brook]

but demand doesn't seem to be the problem, it said that the station i was selling at was "out of stock" for the product i was selling

[glossy axle]

how do you put 2scu cargo crate on aurora? it wont give the blue outline to place the crate

[leaden monolith]

are you clicking the right mouse button with the tractor beam in your hand? If not try that.

[glossy axle]

nvm the cargo slot is phased inside the ship lmao

you have to put the crate on top part of the ship and then you get the blue outline

[pastel flame]

A nice little batch of contracts making up a full Taurus!

[real yew]

A couple member-level contracts...

[primal plaza]

is the hull c still bugged?

[ocean compass]

my understanding, yes.

[golden fern]

I’ve heard recently that it was working. But it’s also SC. What works for someone probably won’t work for the next

[ocean compass]

autoloading / auto unloading has also been broken for me this patch

so yeah

there has been a few posts on top abt people doing hull C runs

but i wouldnt recommend anyone who needs credits to do these. cargo trading is risky business

if your rich ignore what i say

[tall karma]

@mild pumice was able to use it successfully the other day

[mild pumice]

I think it totally depends on the luck of the server gods tbh

But yeah I was able to complete two delivery missions in a row successfully. The server 30k shortly after so didn't get a chance to go for the hat trick lol

[real yew]

Does anyone have the floorplan of the Starlancer MAX?

[knotty dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1gb0bab/starlancer_max_interior_upper_and_lower_deck/

[spare cloud]

I just wish we had this instead

[elfin rune]

How many contracts i need to reach the hull C contracts? And its system gated or works in all stanton?

[stiff nest]

so.. freight elevators are still broken?

[elfin rune]

Ive used mine 30min ago, worked properly

[stiff nest]

I had to hop servers, just like before

[real yew]

Only good for multiplayer.

[spare cloud]

The cut. I wish we had this kind of cut for the MAX instead of the weird thing we have above it

[coarse ember]

Yeah aerial view isn't really worth it imo, you need more pictures that all look similar aside from the floorplan and some text while that one zorgh posted can do everything nice and neat in one image

[pastel flame]

So nice

But I like the TAC well enough

[sharp heart]

Hi, I am new to the trading game. Can you transfer goods from 2 scu storage to a 1 scu storage?

[mild pumice]

If you mean commodities no, they can be stacked together into bigger boxes (up to 8scu excluding mission cargo) but they cannot be split to smaller boxes.

If you mean storeall boxes then yes you can move gear between them via another inventory if they're both stored in the same location as long as you have enough capacity of course

[sharp heart]

Are there speccific places you have to sell larger containers? I tried on new babage and they said they cant accept container size

[crimson mantle]

New babbage can accept all container sizes, but some commodities can only be sold at the admin office, not the TDD

[crisp bobcat]

For the Raftcan you not manually attach cargo to it?

[leaden monolith]

Yes. It can take all size boxes as well. The detach mode (RMB) on the handhelds works extremely well with the Raft.

[amber terrace]

wait, what is the difference between detach and the other mode?

[pure vapor]

Depends on the hangar it seems. Seph station was nothing but a pain for me. Orison is stable

[stiff nest]

my issue was on wala. planetary outpost. Theyve been broken for a long time. I had hoped .2 fixed it

[prisma vine]

any good cargo run for a drake cutlass black (46 SCU) and around 100k

[pure vapor]

Those should be working so long as somebody isnt actively jamming it up

[prisma vine]

and what planet is good to do cargo hauling in

[pure vapor]

I've just been bopping around Orison. Orison to Seph, Seph to the various larange points back to Orison

[stiff nest]

sadly not, pretty much same issue as before. Either the terminal is stuck on "Transferring" or you put cargo in and raise it up but it never makes it. Least thats how it happened on the three different shards i tried before giving up

lost 144 scu of cargo, figured best not to risk the last 72 untill a fix is in the patch notes again.

its the last of my auec

[pure vapor]

Yea that's safe

I've been avoiding the planetary ones

They seem more temperamental than the station ones

[stiff nest]

some day 😦

[pure vapor]

Lol someday it will just work

[prisma vine]

can u specify? what do u buy and where u sell?

[elfin rune]

How?

[leaden monolith]

detach - detaches/attaches to cargo grids. Tractor only does that. If you set a cargo crate on the grid in tractor mode it won't attach.

[pure vapor]

Ah right, I've been mostly running cargo missions

[prisma vine]

i see thx

[pure vapor]

Since I've never had good luck with buying/selling and I don't trust the patch enough to waste any euc

[coarse ember]

there is, detach mode does what you except for moving your cargo and whatnot around, traversal mode pulls you around in space so you can grab the outside of ships and pul yourself closer to them

[pure vapor]

Oh damn I didn't know that

[mild pumice]

If you have say, 8x 1scu boxes of RMC, you can store these inside an 8scu StoreAll box to transport them. Just drag them into the open box in the other inventory window

[crisp bobcat]

Is there a trick? I just tried dragging some items on the floor into the open inventory window and couldn't get it to work

[mild pumice]

I'm not sure if that even works anymore.

What I'm talking about is managing everything from within the inventory window at either the freight elevator or item bank

[crisp bobcat]

ah

I can't load up the 1 SCU of RMC in the vulture into an 8SCU container

[mild pumice]

Unless they've changed something in 24.2 it's been working, I send the 8 scu box and RMC boxes down the freight elevator then move the 8scu box back to the left window, double click it to 'open' it then drag the 1scu boxes inside and send it back up

[crisp bobcat]

That makes sense. I was wanting to load them up while on the ship out salvaging

[mild pumice]

This can also be done at the item banks in a similar way

[mild pumice]

AFAIK there's no way to do that, inventory is managed in the warehouse

[stable geyser]

Why can't I sell my 24scu or 1scu containers (laranite)? Is there specific requirements for the size of containers?

at lorville^

[ocean compass]

lorville should take the laranite

regardless of size

what errors are you seeing? you didnt specify

[stable geyser]

"Shop doesn't accept this container size"

my bad for the late reaction, was playing a game with my mates

[mild rapids]

nevermind 😦

[elfin rune]

Lol, where can i buy those big containers? And 8 its the biggest?

[mild pumice]

Cargo decks, and yeah 8scu is the biggest StoreAll 🙂

[covert cobalt]

Are hangars at SDL413 Microtech broken? No landing services

[crimson mantle]

Gold runs are your best bet, but they are risky (bugs, pirates).

[stable geyser]

Hey SC Trade Tools I cannot sell my 24scu and 1scu boxes of laranite at lorville. It sais "Shop doesn't accept the container size" what am I doing wrong?

[crimson mantle]

Sometimes you have to go sell to the admin instead of the TDD.
Sometimes it's just good old bugs

[stable geyser]

TDD?

Gonna see if I can sell at the TDD

TDD works just fine. Thank you for responding, I am new to cargo hauling. So I was a little confused

[rustic reef]

quick q, has anyone an idea if there is a tool to create a cargo manifest for hauling missions. (to have a quick overview what goes where, sorted by target station)

[ionic elm]

If there isn't already, I feel like a google sheet could be made to handle this

[coarse ember]

As far as I'm aware not currently
Best bet is probably notepad and writing each dow

[ionic elm]

but I would be interested if there was a dedicated webapp for it

[coarse ember]

I feel like the actual site part of it wouldn't be too hard but it'd be time consuming to get contract info about the cargo and where it's headed out of the game without something like SC trade tools where they have a ocr program to read commodity terminals to update their site prices that people can download to help

[ionic elm]

Even manually entering in your information and having it spit out an efficient way to load everything would be nice

Be nice for when you chain those multi-hop runs

[rustic reef]

also to have a "up to 4SCU" check box to know how the ship will get filled and to get a "uuuhhh you dotn have enought space for these kind of loads even if you have enoguth SCU to fit it.." woudl be nice

not being able to see whats ina box UNTIL i pick it up is a nightmare by now.

want to load your cargogrid in a nice manner, welp, better pick througt all the available 1 SCU boxes to find the right one

probably should take up load by load instead of 5 contracts at once

[sonic fiber]

Hauling is giving me carpal tunnel

Need someone to invent forklift

[sick junco]

funny mech make throw

[timber mauve]

guys i was redirected here by the suggestion of another user. i have bought 32000000 scu units of helium just to get the hang of cargo trading. but now i cannot move it to warehouse because it is really big. can anybody tell me what i can do to recover from this? i have a rented conny btw

[ionic elm]

What do you mean you can't move it to warehouse? Like the boxes won't in the eleveator?

[pliant sparrow]

you bought 320k crates of helium? to get STARTED?

[timber mauve]

yeah it doesn't fit in the warehouse. too big even when split in one

[timber mauve]

i didn't know it's gonna be like this. it was 32 so i though maybe that's the huge container. turns out it's much bigger

[pliant sparrow]

if you join me in my vc i can help figure your cargo problem out

[timber mauve]

can i?

[ionic elm]

oh lol station storage is too small to hold it lol

[timber mauve]

i didn't know. new to the game.

[ionic elm]

where did it go when you bought it?

[timber mauve]

in my storage

[pliant sparrow]

yeah just hop in

[ionic elm]

I thought station storage was only 1k SCU

[pliant sparrow]

there's a cap?

[ionic elm]

yeah, you can see it at any storage terminal

[pliant sparrow]

huh.... well you learn something everyday eh.

[prisma vine]

Did they fix the bugs?

Elevator ones mainly?

My maxlift today stopped working for some reason and I lost 60k being that all I had

[pearl juniper]

Is this not just a regular 32 scu? The freight elevator interface for some reason lists everything in micro scu, so a 32 scu box shows as 32,000,000 μSCU

[pliant sparrow]

turns out to be ghost cargo

[humble merlin]

Let this be your lesson on never investing all of your money into one load

[timber mauve]

the problem is it's not letting me load even one single cargo container.

[prisma vine]

I mean I saved around 10k but..m yk what I mean

[humble merlin]

I would only ever invest half at most

If I had 60k I would buy 30k of cargo etc

then if something go wrong I still have enough to try again (I'd do half again so 15k but yeah)

[slate spruce]

What's the trick for switching off the supporting role on the maxlift? It happens quite often that I want to lift a standalone container, but instead it just indicates "supporting" with large green circle and nothing happens. Have to turn the maxlift off and on.

[valid kraken]

Too bad the elevators at the mines never actually work. Makes me super sad. I've just completely stopped checking and written off my 500k uec in gold as a total loss

[ocean compass]

? i've been doing gold trading everyday as long as im not on a vaughn mission?

are you on SM018? the new babbage one?

the new babbage one is the best gold route, because its literally on same planet so profits/hr way higher, but too many people there

[valid kraken]

Sdc-01

[ocean compass]

scd01 is my normal go-to i have no issues, just traded last night

[valid kraken]

It always tells me that the elevator is obstructed when I try to bring up containers

[ocean compass]

you need to check elevators firstly

and did you check all 3?

at least 1 is always working

[valid kraken]

I guess I can check all 3. When it first happened I checked all 3 and none worked

[ocean compass]

im the guy who's successfully trade more than 500scu of gold after this patch, everyday im trading from SCD01

i got 2 suggestions

[valid kraken]

I may have to get in a VC with you sometime

[ocean compass]

1. choose a server thats asleep. like if your in the US 8pm, try to choose like EU or Asia 8AM where people working or asleep

2. check all 3 lifts before committing your credits on gold

[valid kraken]

10-4

[ocean compass]

also, server hop is a thing. as trader we dont care much about ping/lag

we fly

[wind pilot]

Is there a reason not to upgrade from Zeus MkII to Connie Taurus?

[vagrant shard]

Definitely worth the upgrade

[tawdry light]

How do I sell 32 SCU boxes of Altruciatoxin?

It only sells at scrapyards and the boxes won’t fit on the freight lift.

Is there a way to break a 32 SCU box into smaller boxes?

[coarse ember]

sadly nah

just gotta take the loss

[tawdry light]

So I can only put smaller boxes into storage containers, but then I can’t break up larger boxes?

That seems a little scuffed.

[pastel flame]

New C2 standard unloading prodecures.

[fresh oasis]

I was mid hauling mission, and had to relog, when I came back I now have no hauling missions available and it looks like my Rep has been reset. Is there a way to fix this?

[humble merlin]

You can sell Altrucia at Grimhex

[humble merlin]

Yeah, supposedly we will get a way to downsize boxes

[ocean compass]

there is a way to POTENTIALLY break 32SCU boxes to smaller. put the 32scu box back on the soft death ship's cargo grid

full kill the ship, pray the cargo gets broken AND left behind

otherwise you cannot do anything with 32SCUs

i've seen lucky breaks a couple of times now

[spark crest]

did the trading prices change yet since 3.23?

[ocean compass]

check uex for prices

[mild idol]

So just tried a cargo mission in my 300i got 8 SCU loaded flew down to Orison. Seem to be unable to remove the Cargo more than 2 at a time without first storing and retreiving my ship?

Game crashed getting the last 4SCU

Is that pretty common?

OK slightly in shock. Logged back into and a) I am back in my hanger b) Mission is live c) Cargo grid seems to be working. Guessing I might have had a bad server?

[spare cloud]

No you had a crash to desktop.
The issue is on your end. You can check your game logs for an error code and maybe fix that. #helpdesk is here for that.

Servers have nothing to do with it

[mild idol]

Nope the stuck to grid bug is there. Pretty much every time I try and detach cargo it doesn't work.

[void scarab]

Daymar cargo lifts are broken on every single server lol

[lime vessel]

Grim hex ? Maybe

[elfin rune]

anyone here playing hauling loop? i have some questions

[coarse ember]

used to when it was fresh, not much has changed aside from multi tool stuff so ask away lol

[floral pond]

is the Hull C still broken in this patch? I didnt hear and dont wanna mess up lol

like docking and stuff

[elfin rune]

fast Q, how much rep i need to haul with the hull C? is it faster to complete medium contracts or small contracts ( rep wise ) ? any tip youd share please?

[coarse ember]

If you have something like a c2 it's worth doing medium that give 8 SCU
You can also stack contracts and cargo together from one station to multiple assuming your destination stations are close to each other

As for rep I think you'll need rookie or member. Not sure which is quicker to gain rep for

[crimson mantle]

FYI we've added the "box size" filter to our tool to help answer these questions 😄

That CRU L4 is the secret no questions asked terminal

[tall vigil]

Is there any secret to getting the Hull C cargo ATC to work during hauling missions? Half the time it seems to just get stuck and does nothing.

[tawdry light]

Ah I see, since it was telling me I could only sell it at a scrapyard. Thanks!

[sly robin]

anyone got the issue where they did sell scus, but got no auec ?N

[sonic fiber]

I was actually able to auto unload some refined ore yesterday so that's something

Beats manual unloading grind

[limpid sluice]

@crimson mantle sorry for the ping, do you have a preferred system for reporting a possible error on the website about commodities and shops?

[tall karma]

Yes, melt the Hull C and use something else. It requires a fully functional server to work which is the rarest thing to experience these days

[crimson mantle]

Either use the companion app to update the prices, or reach out in https://discord.com/channels/832608007313424444/832653891443228743 with screenshots 🙂

[ionic elm]

CRU L4 or L5 station

Can I do anything with crates of raw ore? Will a refinery accept it?

[real yew]

I got an experienced rank haul mission where I have to pickup 2214 SCU of food from Everus. Can this be done with the Hull-C? The mission details say it's on a freight elevator though

[elfin rune]

this is what im looking for, and in theory you should be able to auto load it

like any hull C load

[real yew]

nvm figured it out. forgot i need to contact the cargo atc, not the normal one

[tall karma]

It can be done on the Hull C if the server you're on is in pristine operating condition. Otherwise you can deliver it in multiple loads in the C2. Nothing about hauling missions require them to be done all in a single load.

[spare cloud]

Nope

[real yew]

I'm on a good server. so far everything went well

[ionic elm]

That explains why I keep finding crates of it laying around lol

[real yew]

I suppose doing two haul missions with the Hull-C to the same destination has some issues?

The second mission was unloaded together with the first one and then didn't complete. But seems after I submitted it manually I got the payment and rep.

[pallid talon]

any good hauling places for missions like a to b back to a etc

[tall karma]

Do not take more than 1 Hull C mission from the same station at a time or to the same destination. The loading process is too buggy to handle multiple loading or unloading processes.

[void scarab]

brev these elevators are fucked. a mil in cargo stuck because of this. There elevator is in storage and empty...

[lyric tusk]

Still do not understand how I don't have hauling contracts in LIVE🥺

[coarse ember]

might be bugged for you like my legal salvage is, i only get illegal salvage options while it gives me nothing legal for salvage