industrial-professions

[cloud robin]

You sure can land there, you don't need to call landing for any pads

[somber bay]

There are also pads at stations where you can just land without calling for a hangar

[plucky pine]

I wanted to buy stuff from the commodity shop but it wouldn't let me; I figured that I would need to be landed at a pad to use it and the freight elevator.

[uneven phoenix]

Caterpillar, not as efficient as the C2 but I have fun with it

[warm totem]

In a better game (one they should be making) we shouldn't even be aware of a "grid" the whole point to it is the dam thing sits there, stacks, and doesn't move from where you put it. why else would there be a grid? sell points?

[pearl juniper]

I view the grid as the tie down points. Where the ship is equiped to secure cargo. The idea that we can have cargo all whilly nilly in the hold in a ship that can accelerate at multiple g's in any direction with doing damage to everything is a bit mysterious to me actually. But the game allows it, so I'll take advantage of it for now.

[limpid sluice]

i do wish we could toggle grid placement on and off

[somber bay]

The grid is magnetized locked down cargo

Many ships have visible pads that represent that locking down feature

[velvet rapids]

Any reason I cant load cargo directly into a cutlass black?

[ocean compass]

through terminal or hand loading?

if through terminal sometimes autoload dont work

handloading no reason, just bring cargo up from freight lift and tractor beam away

[jagged wing]

Cutlass needs a QC pass

Using the tractor beam breaks mine

Thinking about swapping for a C1 or upgrading to a Mercury

[velvet rapids]

AH, thank you coyote. But what's a QC pass?

[outer ridge]

wait its possible to load items directly into the self storage boxes in freight elevator right? i try to drag them onto the box but nothing changes

[torpid garden]

Give me 7 million and I'll take the complete ship with the 108 gasping scu, it's worth 11 million, you earn an extra 4 million! What do you think of the deal?

[spare cloud]

#market-street

[torpid garden]

I think that the last hotfix that they sent was damaged because before you entered several times to the games and 3 or 4 times you got one that worked, but now between friends and I have been 3 days that we have left more than 10 times and entered and now none of them works

[mild pumice]

wont load so I guess I just flushed 1 million credits down the toilet?

also don't get why leaving the area should forfeit the cargo, if you can't load surely is should be returned/refunded another bad design decision.

maybe due to the abandoned ship in my box:

that should have been impounded right?

[cloud robin]

Don't use Hull C this patch

It's incredibly buggy

[mild pumice]

Some have said they've had success this patch so wanted to try it out but yeah by the looks of it, still a 500 dollar waste of time 😄

[cloud robin]

It works sometimes

But the risk isn't worth it imo, a C2 can make more profit and is way less buggy

[mild pumice]

I'm lettin the clock run down and will try cargo ATC again

don't really care about the creds tbh it sux to lose another million but I just wanted to try it

[cloud robin]

If you don't care about creds my wallet is wiiide open

/s

[mild pumice]

I'm 2.5m down now on bugged trades ha ha I can't afford to give away more right now 😄

[cloud robin]

Na I'm doing good financially, human trafficking pays

[mild pumice]

The other one my hangar straight up disappeared after I landed and my ship and cargo was destroyed LOL

<1min then I can call again 🙂

[cloud robin]

It's most likely lost

[mild pumice]

well it gave me a new cargo area but still does not load

IC says it's fixed so maybe .2 or 4.0 it is fixed. Who can tell lol

[upbeat pagoda]

Hi all, what's a good starting trade route

[jagged wing]

QC = Quality Control

I think CIG is referring to it as "Gold Standard" 🙄

The beds in the Cutlass are broken, the co-pilot seat bugs out the ship, you can't access any of the modules, the tractor beam mounts on the front don't work, and the cargo hold has a lot of wasted space.

[upbeat pagoda]

Is SC trade tools accurate?

[deep bison]

My personal Favorite is to just go to a station, see what they have in stock, then look on uexcorp to see where I should sell it.

But that's mostly because I like Uexcorps visuals

[ocean compass]

dont trust any ground outpost

check if the elevators are working

gold routes majority not working

[deep bison]

Like they don't lift the gold out?

damn, that sucks.

[upbeat pagoda]

Oh

I'm at a research outpost now

buying medical supplies

[pearl juniper]

You basically can't interact with the elevator terminal. It's something that gets broken with use, it's mostly the heavily used outdoor freight elevators that are broken (gold outposts, and scrap yards).

[deep bison]

dang outposts aren't using enough WD40 on the gears i guess.

[upbeat pagoda]

hmmm

s'pose this is what you meant

[coarse ember]

Yep that would be the bug

[upbeat pagoda]

where do I take my medical supplies then lol

[coarse ember]

At the moment I'd say treat trading same as hauling missions and just go station to station as much as you reasonably can

You can sell em to at arc-L2 station

Usually I prefer to use uexcorp and just click the sell tab to find where I can sell stuff
https://uexcorp.space/commodities/info/name/medical-supplies/tab/locations_buying/

[worthy herald]

Got told they work on us servers

[tall karma]

Good lord the ATLS makes cargo easy. Did over 20 hauling missions in under an hour with my C2. I was just grouping SS to Orison and back which was very nice working on ranking up.

Would have taken me 4 hrs with the maxlift and all those 1scu boxes

[upbeat pagoda]

Where do I sell @ stations

like Legrange stations

the refinery deck?

[tall karma]

Admin in the Galeria for cargo

[upbeat pagoda]

thank you

They will only buy 17k's worth?

[mild pumice]

that's the demand, sell that > wait 10 mins > sell more

welcome to tradewaiting the fun commodity trading simulator from Star Citizen

actually we should call it 'startrade'

[upbeat pagoda]

;_;

[mild pumice]

the L stations generally have quite a low demand, main stations and cities will take more usually

[upbeat pagoda]

ok

[pearl juniper]

you should be able to sell medical supplies in bulk at a TDD (I think it's TDD, I don't remember going to an admin office for them). But either way, try in a city.

[upbeat pagoda]

tdd?

[pearl juniper]

Trade Development Division. Also called CBD (Commercial Business District I think) at Lorville.

[sweet grail]

Do u have to store your ship with the supplies, leave it at hangar or store the supplies in the elevator?

[pearl juniper]

most reliable in my experience is to manually transfer to the elevator.

[sweet grail]

Then go the tdd and sell?

[coarse ember]

yep, it's how ive been doing it since cargo patch dropped and so far it's paid me in full every time

just remeber to send the elevator down afterwards so you dont gotta run all the way back

[sweet grail]

Wait so u can bulk sell things in big cities? Store like 1k SCU in many trips and go sell after since they persist?

[coarse ember]

yep, only thing is make sure you sell beore a new update to live drops, last update wiped peoples cargo they had stored since it isnt part of ltp stuff

[sweet grail]

Ty

[potent eagle]

They do ? Is there any known workaround about this

i dont want to lose my gold with the upcoming 3.24.2

[tall karma]

If you don't get it out and sell it, the patch will wipe commodities in inventory.

[deep bison]

Couldn't you also just fly Lagrange to Lagrange and sell it in bits?

That's my cargo dream

[tall karma]

That's a Hull C

Pick up cargo at a lagrange, deliver to station with demand, buy cargo at that station, hop to the next station with demand since its never the previous station... you end up on a big loop.

[slate spruce]

You can do it. I prefer mining outposts (they accept 50 instead of 10 on Lagranges), and I enjoy the feel of a remote supply ship.

[ocean compass]

they wrong

its just a matter of luck

need to test every elevator to find working ones, and server hopping too

[merry prism]

Just do the solar/interplanetary missions. From Station to Station missions arent as buggy and pay more in rep and some cash.

[coral shale]

why does sctradetools say that all these cities pay the same price for 1 scu of quant, but then it changes when i update it to 20 scu?

[pearl juniper]

uhh, it doesn't say they pay the same price

if you mean why do some of the drop off the list, try checking the "allow wait times" button. Might be a demand issue, although 20 isn't that much.

[tall karma]

Is it faster to do single member ranks or like 10 rookie/junior ranks at a time for rep? I can grab like 10+ seraphim->Orison missions in the junior and rookie tier, but the member ones are spread out all over which would take longer.

Just not sure if the rep gain is significant.

[pearl juniper]

go to Hurston (probably Microtech too), you can stack like 4-5 member rank missions from a distribution center to 3 outposts.

and you can get 1-2 missions to pick up stuff from the same outposts to take back to the same distribution center to make it a round trip

[tall karma]

Oooh, distribution centers. Gotcha. Everus is under attack presently, so maybe MT better at the moment.

[pearl juniper]

yeah, there are also missions from everus harbor down to the distribution centers, probably want to avoid those if the blockade is on everus. But if you go down to the planet and look at "local" missions, they are all between sites on Hurston, and pay pretty decent

at experienced rank I have a route that makes about 375k / hr. Not bad for hauling missions. Or was it 275k? I can't remember now. Something like that.

[mild pumice]

Here ya go, this gives you an idea of how the rep scales, I stole this from FB, it seems pretty accurate from what I've experienced

It does kinda feel like it was slower for the experienced and I'm a third through senior it feels like I've done at least 20 but that could just be how it feels or accounting for the few abandoned (by altF4)

[tall linden]

Alright, finally starting cargo missions tonight. Haven't decided which ship to start with, (C1, MSR, M2 or Cat) but I guess it depends on the mission objectives.

[violet lark]

is brios still cooked

[limpid sluice]

probably will be until 3.24.2

at this point anyways

[violet lark]

they dropping put and shit too fuck this let me sell my eggs

[lime vessel]

It seems no one gives a shit about the elevators anymore. I could find a working one yesterday. Funny was as i shared the good new on the chat no one believed me

[royal anchor]

does anyone know if the ATLS can fit in a fully loaded connie?

[ebon cedar]

I "snapped" 16 and 24 just fine yesterday. You have to rotate it sometimes. Only 32 can't fit. The ARC scrapyard. It broke after 3 uses though. It's clearly not stable/finished. Another moron was trying a 32 just when I arrived...

[leaden monolith]

I have to say I haven't tried but I can't see how you would get it into a connie after filling up the cargo.

[royal anchor]

yeah i dont think it would be doable but still curious if people have found a way

[mild pumice]

twice now my ship has been destroyed in the hangar at NB lost another haul of cargo - going to give up trading I'm now about 4 million down 😦

This time was destroyed whilst storing, IC says it's fixed for a future release...

[floral copper]

This makes me happy to know it’s just a bug I was encountering, happened on a few different nights.

For the life of me no matter how I rotated it the 24 SCU wouldn’t snap, so must have just been a server thing.

[floral copper]

It does, you can also use a tractor beam to pull the ATLS up top onto one of the smaller cargo rooms as well (I think)

[tall karma]

Switch to Hull C trading. Never store your ship again!

I think the routes are cheaper than C2 and pay as much or more.

[mild pumice]

Hull C trading cost me 940k yestetday - wouldn't load stuck at 00.00

I'm done till .2 I think

did you see my reply yesterday?

[tall karma]

Did you dock at a docking port, and go to the Admin console to sell before you entered the Cargo Box?

[mild pumice]

it spawned my ship Hull C in the hangar not the docking port

[tall karma]

Then you stored it with cargo? Oof, never do that

[mild pumice]

no I never got the cargo

I got the box it just didn't load

[tall karma]

There are rules to the Hull C trade routes, but once you know them they are a breeze.

Rule #1 - never buy or sell with your ship stored - always buy and sell when you ship is docked at a docking port.

[leaden monolith]

Now that you say that I'm thinking that tractoring it atop the cargo should work. There is plenty of room above once the cargo bay is retracted.

[tall karma]

Rule #2 - never call cargo ATC until after you have left the docking port, and initiated either the buy / sell process at the admin console.

[floral copper]

Idk if on top of the cargo will work

But are you filling up the two back rooms of the Connie as well? Or just the actual bay?

[tall karma]

Rule #3 - Avoid all possibility of getting your ship impounded because if it impounds with cargo then you're toast.

[mild pumice]

I'm done with the Hull C tbh if it wasn't a loaner I'd melt it

[leaden monolith]

just the bay

[floral copper]

If just the main bay then yeah dude I’d tractor beam it up top and then put it into one of the back rooms and you’ll be fine.

I think…

[leaden monolith]

I also can't seem to figure out how to rotate boxes using the Connie's tractor beam. Tried R holding R and the same with LALT-R. The boxes just refuse to rotate for me.

It's SC who knows. One time it'll work fine the next boom goes your ship

[native flame]

is there a way to transport ship weapons?

[mild pumice]

Yep in the cargo hold

Bring them up the FE or detach them with the multi tool

[native flame]

And just throw it in the back of my C1?

[mild pumice]

Yep

They should snap to cargo grids although a bit wonky but loose is also fine

[native flame]

Are looting bodies from Bunkers still a viable way of making extra money during merc work?

[coarse ember]

Yeah, if you loots NPCs and store their armour/weapons in bulk you can sell those, had a bunk of armour from NPCs bunkers and in the end got like 3k

[near swallow]

You can use a tractor beam to take an empty 1 or 2 SCU box down into the bunker, and put all your loot in that.

[stiff vine]

I'd suggest leaving it on the elevator though. Dunno if it's still an issue but I've lost a few crates in the past trying to drag them along with me. Normally anything the player touches survives the bunkers active self-cleaning, but i dunno if tractored items count. Every body or box I've left on the elevator has persisted so far.

And the 2scu is the best way to loot armors imo. Drag the body you want to it, dump your gear in the box, one-click equip the NPC gear, store it then put your stuff back on. Goes by much quicker than scattering armor everywhere and hoping they don't disappear

[coarse ember]

i find best way to do it is leave 1 alive on the lowest level of the bunker so the tresspass timer doesnt start and i can loot as long as i need instead of 30 mins to loot bodies and gtfo

[stiff vine]

Aye, 30 minutes is pretty gracious too. Hope they don't change that

[coarse ember]

yeah 30 mins is good but i've had times where i've gotten it down to like 5 min checking every nook and cranny for loot

[stiff vine]

Aye it's easy to get absorbed in looting sometimes 😆

[frank warren]

Is the only way to sell eggs right now just to look at all 4 locations and if none work, server hop?

[coarse ember]

i think so

[frank warren]

Ahj okay

[frank warren]

What does contracted mean on containers?

Assume it is meant for a contract

[leaden monolith]

They would be for the hauling contracts. If you saw them at an outpost they were probably dumped because the elevators don't work.

[frank warren]

Yeagh

And its just stim

So not wort grabniug

[tall karma]

Is there another way other than exiting the ATLS to break tether on something that isn't moving?

Seems like I am stuck in tethering unless I get out of the ATLS

[coral shale]

When I scan a ship that has cargo, usually it says like “25 scu of quantanium” but then it only has a tiny ass little box of it. Is the scanning screen bugged? Or am I misunderstanding something

[stiff vine]

Are you putting these ships into soft death? If you destroy them they take a lotta the cargo with em

[coral shale]

Yes, soft death

[leaden monolith]

It's the only way I've found to break the neverending tether.

[frank warren]

SC Trade Tools says you can sell SLAM at CRU L5, but when I go there. It says it cant bo sold there?

Is there a different terminal?

[coarse ember]

there should be a nqa terminal by lockers

like the area with red locker text and a arrow i think in galleria

[stiff vine]

CRU-L4's NQA is tucked in the back by Lockers, might be the same with 5

Folks being impatient lobbing benches at people using the kiosk 😆

[spare cloud]

L5 terminal is in an under contruct area in the galleria

Not far from lockers

[frank warren]

Found it

Never seen them before. So wasnt sure where it was

So I asked in game too

[crimson mantle]

Yeah, we don't differentiate the different terminals at the same location anymore, apologies for the suboptimal experience 😅

Glad you found it, and hope you made a nice profit.

[frank warren]

Its all good lol

Made an okay profit. Have eggs to sell that I cant right now lol

[tall karma]

So I attempted to do 16 simultaneous member rank planetary hauling missions that went to the same 4 destinations with all pickup at EH. Bad idea. Turns out it's not just quantity you have to deliver, but specific boxes!! One 2SCU box isn't the same. Was a logistics nightmare. My fancy quantity tracking spreadsheet ended up being meaningless and a good dozen boxes got eaten by freight elevators

I still got like halfway through member rank even though I had to submit half filled orders and relog a few that were less than half complete.

[pearl juniper]

Yeah, doing multiple missions with the same commodities sucks!

Learned that one the hard way myself as well

[tall karma]

No rep lost. Had they all 100% completed it would have paid nearly 600k, but I think I still netted over 350k.

I'll try again with unique commodities and only one mission per commodity. Should be much more achievable, though the stutter at distros is brutal

[frank warren]

I have yet to do any cargo missions and I really want to get into them but ugh

So much to do

Now I see why they are broken...

[humble merlin]

This is why if I take multiple contracts from one location I make sure they are all delivering to the same location XD

[frank warren]

WE FOUND A WORKING OUTPOST

LETS Go

[humble merlin]

I'm surprised that hotfix hasn't flown yet

[frank warren]

Wasnt it meant to like a week ago

Sad thing is I only have like 3 mil of eggs, so not much and I raid tonight

So I can't do missions for more

Well, not a lot

[limpid sluice]

ayo? you still on that server with working outpost? does it still work?

[frank warren]

Im heading there now

I will let you know

Got eggs you have to sell?

[limpid sluice]

got drugs to sell

[frank warren]

Ah okay

If it works, you can add me and join my server

It sucks. I raid in 25 mins. So I couldnt go and do more missions to get more cargo >-<

Gotta haul ass to this outpost and sell then just bedlog

And I think the outpost that sells gold on Microtech is working. But I believe someone is camping it lol

[frank warren]

DM'ed you

Well, I ble up with those eggs...

My ship just wouldn't accept my input and just wouldnt go up

So that is fun

[topaz heart]

Anyone know if there's a known bug where you can't call for a hangar at Cargo Centers/Logistics Depots?

I had a hauling mission to go from Tressler to MT's S4LD13 Logistics Depot.

But on 2 different servers when I went to the Depot I couldn't get a hangar with Left-Alt+N and the Depot didn't show up as an entry in my Comms MFD

I tried running in on foot and started getting shot at by NPCs. Checking the desc for the location it says access is restricted to employees.

Maybe the server was just screwed up and didn't recognize my contract twice in a row?

[wheat moss]

Was it a distribution center on micro tech?

Cause there is on on the planète that doesn't have an atc service and you have to use the exterior landing pads

[limpid sluice]

welp, another dozen servers hopped between daymar and wala, no working salvage elevators

[tall karma]

Oh boy... I queued up 10 member rank hauling missions and delivery was under way, but when I was positioning in the hangar my ship fell through the world and subsequently exploded. I quickly ALT+F4'd in hopes that I get logged out before mission failure but suspect I just got fully reset in rep. Scared to log back in to check.

[topaz heart]

I'm not sure if it qualifies as a distribution center

In the Map App it's called a "Logistics Depot"

It's full name is S4LD13 Logistics Depot, located on MicroTech

From the exterior it had what looked like 2 small-sized landing pads and 2 large-size hangars you descend down into rather than fly forward into.

I'm wondering if it's like you said and I had to use the landing pads.

They were way too small to park my Caterpillar on though.

I think I'll probably just start doing Hauling missions over in the Hurston system from now on.

[wheat moss]

yeah that one doesn't have an atc landing services

you need to use the landing pads to use it's freight elevators

[topaz heart]

Do you happen to know if there are landing pads that can accommodate a large-size ship?

I only saw 2 that could fit a small and maybe medium-size.

[wheat moss]

yes, the one on top of the structure aren't faut hauling, you need to use those that are on the exterior of the area

[topaz heart]

Gotcha, thank you for your help!

[wheat moss]

the bits on the left

they are located on each sides of the facility

[topaz heart]

Ohh okay, I think I even remember seeing those but I didn't realize they were usable landing pads

This is making much more sense now.

[wheat moss]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-123289

wether on station or location like that landing pad don't require clearance to land on them

[tall karma]

Whew, alt+f4 and waiting out crash recovery worked. No lost rep

[steel zenith]

Is there any way to turn a 32 scu crate into smaller boxes? I know scrap yards don't accept anything over 24 scu

[frank warren]

No sadly

Though that would be a nice feature

Go to a place and either just have them swap your big box for smaller ones, or pay a small fee for it to be done

[steel zenith]

So as of right now, anything larger than a 24 scu box is useless

[wheat moss]

There only usefull if you intend to sell them somewhere that accept this size

[steel zenith]

Like where?

I'm holding 2 crates of weevil eggs that are 32 scu

[coarse ember]

no outposts take 32 scu lol, max is 24 and no cities take illegal drugs

[steel zenith]

Wish they would have caught that one before putting it in the PU. Really big waste to have massive crates filled with millions of credits of stuff that you can't do anything with

Also makes it even worse since we'll probably get a reset before they fix that

[frank warren]

Probably, they still haven’t pushed the hotfix to make outposts elevators work, besides the few here and there. 3.24.2 is on the PTU already. So it’s only a manner of time before that drops.

[sacred garden]

What’s the website to calculate best testing route?

[sacred garden]

Found it

[silk star]

yo any job that i can do with c1 spirit

[sacred garden]

is it worth to grind for the hauling missions? ive currently gotten it up to junior rank but my C 1 cant take the loads those missions give.. so id need a bigger ship

[stiff vine]

Aye, member and up surpass the 100 scu mark. You can still make decent rep and money stacking several junior and rookie missions though.

Also @silk star see above

Just be mindful there's a time limit so don't linger in one spot for too long

[silk star]

witch one ?

[stiff vine]

My post just above to answer your question about the c1 as well

There's also renting and piggybacking off a senior or above rep player

[tall karma]

Supposedly a planned feature for down the road. Only one you can't get rid of will be weevil eggs as Grim Hex and the "no questions aaked" terminals at CRU L4/L5 will buy other drugs.

[tall karma]

It is worth it for smaller ships as well since they have "small member" hauls that pay 35-40k and you can fit like 4 or 5 of them in a C1 at one time with them all delivering to the same list of destinations. Easy to make 200-300k this way.

Just remember to only accept one mission per commodity type or it'll get confusing really fast.

[tall karma]

I mean there are missions with large loads, but there are dozens of small haul missions to distro centers when you're in MT or Hurston.

These types never have a container bigger than 4scu and still pay very nicely.

[sacred garden]

It’s already confusing

[pearl juniper]

If multi drop off missions are too confusing, try the multi pick up single drop off ones

[sacred garden]

Am I missing something? What do you mean? Like sit and select differrrnt missions?

[tall karma]

There are missions that have you collect from multiple locations and deliver to just one. Much less complicated

You don't have to parcel out specific amounts at each stop this way.

[pearl juniper]

Yeah. There's probably 100+ missions in your list depending on where you are, picking the right ones is key

[sacred garden]

Yeah I get that. all i get now is rookie missions, and junior that I can’t do since my c1 is too small

[pearl juniper]

There should be "small"missions at almost any rank, but maybe not at all locations

[tall karma]

Where are you that you don't have small cargo missions?

[sacred garden]

Current area 18, but going to lorville now

[pearl juniper]

There should be a few small ones in the arcorp area

[tall karma]

MT and Hurston have the largest variety, but I also did small direct routes to get to member just going from seraphim to orison and back

[pearl juniper]

But, Hurston with the distribution centers is a better place for them

[tall karma]

It was super easy to rank up to member by flying 10 collect from seraphim and deliver to orison missions at a time, but was in a C2.

[sacred garden]

Found one ahaha

[final tiger]

o7

Hello^^

[pearl juniper]

I hope they add some filters some day. Scrolling that massive list is the most annoying part of hauling missions.

[sweet grail]

my first actual 3.24 gameplay-content. 300+ SCU 3 different missions accepted from seraphim to CRU L1

~10 mins to load them into my M2

[sacred garden]

I want that ship.

[sweet grail]

🥹

[sacred garden]

I’m like 4,5 m away but I’ve lost motivation 👍

[sweet grail]

u will get it eventually mate!

[sacred garden]

No, 3,5 millions

[sacred garden]

Doing what I don’t know…

[sweet grail]

eh i have pledged it tbh

[sacred garden]

If I could I would

In a heartbeat

[sweet grail]

i love it, i pref it over the c2, im counting on the armor in the future

[sacred garden]

Aah it’s a m2, I’m aiming for a c2 i game

[sweet grail]

ye its an M2 ❤️

[tall linden]

I started using an M2 last night. How'd you load it so fast? I ended up grabbing the ATLS with store credit to speed up my load time.

[dire oyster]

cru-l4 station takes rugs

[sacred garden]

Can I like rob someone. At gun point

[quartz summit]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/deep-dive-into-hauling-missions-and-reputation-sen

[sweet grail]

ATLS
EDIT: it was 3 missions from 100-110 scu each, it was less than 10 minutes to load them and unload them

[sweet grail]

@tall linden

just park parallel to the elevator so u can stand at the edge of the ship, not move and just load/unload

[coarse ember]

They do but not weevil eggs

[tall linden]

Thx. I started hauling missions without ATLS and that took way too much time.

[sweet grail]

ye its time consuming, also try getting multiple contracts at once for example i got 3 medium cargo contracts from the same point to the same point

[tall linden]

M2 is definitely better with the ramp. I tried hauling with Cat but didn't like loading from the side

[pearl juniper]

nice load

[fleet temple]

Is the "opportunity for independent cargo hauling" mission only Seraphim station to crusader only or do they spawn in other planets?

[mild pumice]

Yes it will populate depending on your location so at Arccorp it would be BP to Area18

Once you have done this you get access to rookie missions with other routes

[humble merlin]

What mission did you see that in?

[limpid sluice]

most likely vaughn, since pilots are still alive

[humble merlin]

I don't think I've ever seen Maze from normal bounties

And I've done a lot of ERT

[frank warren]

Trying to sell Neon at Grim and it shows as In Demand, but when I go to sell. It says I will get 0 aUEC

[coarse ember]

maybe it's broken somehow? cru l4 should take neon too

[frank warren]

Will try there too

Grim was just close to me at the time

[limpid sluice]

i still need a working salvage yard elevator, that one yesterday worked until i tried to send a load down and it kept throwing errors, then someone else tried it and got it stuck at transferring to warehouse 😐

[frank warren]

Well damn

That is shitty

I have 24 neon I am going to sell and then do some vaughn missions to get some cargo

[edgy yacht]

Damn, had to abandon a cargo mission cause I couldn't find where the cargo was (it sent me to a junkyard). Now I'm not eligible for any missions. Will this fix on its own or will i need to share contracts

[humble merlin]

You'll need to share

Or rather, have one shared with you

But also don't take any missions that take you to scrapyards right now because there's a very high chance that the scrapyard lift is broken.

[coarse ember]

for me just going between stations works best

[edgy yacht]

yeah that's what I was tryna find, I had never been to scrapyard before and the pay was good so

[humble merlin]

Hotfix hopefully soon to fix them

[pearl juniper]

my guess, since they haven't been hotfixed already, is that they won't be fixed till .2

[tall karma]

Never abandon, always relog to clear the mission for no rep loss

[edgy yacht]

Noted. I’m still relatively new to this game so I’m not fully aware of everything atm.

[merry prism]

Selling at Cru L4 at the no questions asked terminal allows you to bypass the failing salvage yards.

[limpid sluice]

Yeah I've sold all of the other drugs, but im still sitting on the eggs

[merry prism]

CRU L4 is the best place to sell drugs from anywhere to beat the failed state of elevators at salvage yards everyone just so you know.

[humble merlin]

Except they don't buy eggs

The main thing people want to sell XD

[merry prism]

yes correct I was assuming that people knew that my apologies. Its much better than getting jumped in Grim Hex

[jagged pond]

Are there any containers that has a storage of 3 mil scu interior storage space and larger?

[frank warren]

You can only buy up to 8scu containers. Which have a capacity of 8,000,000 uSCU

1, 2, 4 & 8scu containers can be bought

[jagged pond]

ty kindly

[craggy tapir]

Get a 4scu box then

[mild pumice]

Love 4scu boxes on their sides lol. Like wardrobes

Or my trusty 2scu storage trunk 🦎

[ashen abyss]

If only L4 didn't have some of the lowest prices

[white jewel]

hey i have a question, i just bought some cargo and it was never delivered to my ship, is it now just gone and i lost my money or is it hiding somewhere

[ocean compass]

check the freight elevator inside the hanger

it may be there

make sure send the elevator down to warehouse

[white jewel]

yeah i did that but nothing, 1.2mil just poofed into thin air

[mild pumice]

Did you get the transaction confirmation and a timer for the delivery?

If not then yeah it probably bugged out and is gone 😢

I've lost around 4mil trading since 3.24 I'm apprehensive to do anymore before .2 patch I'm running low on funds now lol

[mental crag]

yea don't spend more than you can afford to lose

[white jewel]

yes i did, i got both, not too pissed off about it tbh, still have some spare cash to start up again, its just annoying

[mild pumice]

That double sucks, try storing and retrieving your ship again just in case the cargo is invisible

[mental crag]

^i did have that happen b4

[mild pumice]

I'm with you I'm not too annoyed about the losses it's just I'm running out of capital lol

[white jewel]

thats quite possible, ill do that when im back, im off salvaging. how often does that happen cuz i stored it and pulled it out but still nothing

[white jewel]

same, only 100k left but its enough

[mild pumice]

Good luck, it could even still show up at the sales terminal even if you can't physically see the cargo

[white jewel]

lets hope, thanks for the info

[merry prism]

Again its about walking away with anything at this point. Your taking a gamble going into Grim or its a guarantee at Cru L4.

[pearl juniper]

I had this happen with about a million worth of mining goods. Sent it from the refinery to the ship. Called the ship, and it was empty. Minor heart attack, stored the ship and called it again and there it was.

[crisp stratus]

i just bought gold in a mining facility but when i go to the freight manager its stays at transferring to warehouse, anyone else having this issue?

[coarse ember]

yeah most outpost elevators are bugged, make sure you teest that the elevator comes up before you buy anything

[crisp stratus]

so there is no way to get this gold back ( or the money)?

[frank warren]

No sadly. Only thing you can do is server hop until you find a working server

[jade cape]

May RNG forever be in your favor trying to find a working mining outpost elevator

[crisp stratus]

ig it kinda worked, i got it first try but then got another bug where it said the elevator was obstructed while it wsnt

[rough oak]

I’m just not playing SC until freight elevators are fixed. All of my fleet relies on at least some form of cargo to make money. Is there even a patch in test phase or are they just making more stupid ships

[jade cape]

There’s supposed to be fixed in 3.24.2

[tall karma]

What's the gamble? GH has (had?) full armistice that made you immune to damage. It was always easy to get close, and not be at any risk.

Other than ramming

[rough oak]

Is that in PTU already?

[tall karma]

EVO

[rough oak]

I saw some patch notes with that designation but nothing was about freight from what I witnessed

[cloud robin]

3.24.2, just a week away!

[rough oak]

4.0 is just last year away!

💀

[pearl juniper]

There are also differences in how much they will buy. I had a 24 scu box of Neon that I couldn't sell at GH, but sold at Cru L4 no problem.

[sacred garden]

Do you have to load the drugs onto a elevator at brios salvage?

[leaden monolith]

test the elevator works first. Most don't

[sacred garden]

But you have to?

[leaden monolith]

yes load stuff on it and lower it

[sacred garden]

Alright thanks

[limpid sluice]

i will do things for the whereabouts of working salvage elevator

[thin crown]

you found a workin elevator?

[thin crown]

yeah, i will pay big time for a workin one.

[jagged wing]

Has anyone's hauling rep reset recently?

Seemingly at random

[sacred garden]

I did not, I’ll go looking on different servers for a price tho 😋

[wheat moss]

Did you abandoned a contract? If yes it can give you a rep penalty big engouh to send you in negative

[spring prism]

So, when you accept a hauling mission, the cargo appears in the inventory of the station (That you're meant to pick up from), right? With a special indicator that says it's meant for hauling? (Since I know looking at the boxes says such.)

[ocean compass]

hauling mission yes

the cargo is always in that local inventory

when you go to the freight elevator controls inside the hangar, it will clearly state this is for the contract

provided that the freight elevator is on the warehouse level

then you select the contract stuff and bring it over, then up

[jagged wing]

I failed 3 because the pickup point was S4DL13 on MicroTech, where the bugged investigation mission is located. Since the place is overrun by pirates, none of the freight elevators work, and I couldn't deliver the small load I had going there, nor retrieve the two loads that I was supposed to take.

I was almost through junior rank.

[ocean compass]

in that situation should Alt-F4 or quit game

dont abandon mission

abandon mission causes rep deduction

[paper steppe]

So I have a taurus and about 6 million in game, I'm contemplating doing some cargo for the first time, does anyone have some recommendations on what I should look at doing? Partially curious about profit but also wanting to try out some cargo so somewhere between easy and profitable would be highly appreciated

[craggy tapir]

Laranite

Buy for 700
Sell for 900

Nearly everywhere

Oh wait

Not Taranite

Astanite

That was it

[leaden monolith]

If you're going to buy anything planet side or moon side always and I mean always check that the freight elevator is working before parting with any credits.

[paper steppe]

so like do a small test buy?

any routes you recommend trying?

[leaden monolith]

Yes to the first question. Although elevators that work once may not work again. It really is hit or miss with a lot more misses than hits.

I'm not doing any trading that involves outposts at the moment. Routes that involve space station to space station or a city seem to work for now. Be aware also that auto-load doesn't always work. I've lost whole cargo bays of goodies even though the terminal took my money.

Helium from Seraphim to Pyro Gateway or Baijini (a few other places I can't recall right now) works but isn't a huge profit maker.

Hephaestanite from Pyro, Baijini or Terra Gateway to any of the cities is decent money. I think NB pays the best but compared to the others it's a bit of a long haul.

I've done a few Heph runs using the Taurus and only bought 2x32 and 2x24 and loaded it myself. It's not bad and not high risk. I don't buy all the 2scu crates to make a full load just because I find them fiddly to load up. For me it's a quicker turn around just loading up the 4 bigger scu crates.

[tall karma]

I think you can make more money stacking hauling missions with the same station or distribution center pickup and destination(s) with a Taurus than trying your luck with mining station elevators

Anywhere with dedicated hangars is more reliable than a public terminal

[gentle roost]

for delivery missions, I see multiple sources for the missions. Does any one of them prove to be better/more profitable than the others?

[floral copper]

Has anyone been able to find working freigh elevators on planets?

[tall karma]

I hear people who like box missions do the red-something faction in hurston the most. Supposedly decent reliability

[mild pumice]

I think Ling(at Crusader) pay 5k/Box vs 4k box for the others, but at Hurston(Red Wind) and Microtech(UDM) you can do shunting missions at the Distribution Centers which are kinda cool with a Mule

[mild pumice]

Yeah I quite like the Red Wind ones too plus they unlock the illegal delivery missions after you reach runner 2 or whatever

[pastel flame]

I like the Ling family for the fact you can get around crusader area very quickly

[jagged wing]

How to make reliable money with a cargo ship:

1. Buy a Vulture.
2. Scrape ships.
3. Stockpile RMC.
4. Use your cargo ship to shuttle RMC to Lorville.
5. Sell RMC and make bank.
6. Be happy you don't have to worry about trading.

[pearl juniper]

Or skip steps 3 and 4 because who wants to move hundreds of 1scu boxes more than they have to?

(until they add the ability to combine them into a big box, then that totally sounds like it would save time)

[frank warren]

Late to the convo, but honestly, I would only buy stuff from cities or stations and not touch outposts. Unless you bring some normal containers with you and test to see if the elevator can stow and retrieve cargo.

[frank warren]

We have the ability now to put 1scu into a 8scu container

I have 14 8scu and 14 4scu containers for my Taurus

Move the personal containers into local storage, then go and salvage and offload your stuff like normally. Once you are ready to sell your RMC. Move the personal containers onto the freight elevator, but don’t send it up. Double click the personal containers onto and it will open it up for you. Then you can drag the RMC into them.

I will say, I wish we had access to 16 scu containers

[ocean compass]

oh this is an idea

[frank warren]

You can also do the same thing when you are in your local inventory. You can click the arrow in the container to open its inventory up, but I find the game will bug and make your inventory vanish until you reply doing it that way

And you will have to unload the RMC from the bigger containers

Best way is to move the bigger containers to local, then open each one up and transfer them on to the elevator, then bring the elevator up and back down

[ocean compass]

roc gem splitting style? aye

[frank warren]

Pretty much. As when you move the RMC out of the bug containers, it doesn’t save and just puts them back in

[ocean compass]

like a full vulture 39scu, 5x 8scu is way faster than 39x 1scu

[frank warren]

Even if you left the big ones on the elevator and moved the small ones into inv. Once you bring the elevator back up, they are still in it

So the RMC has to come up

[frank warren]

Yeah

Just wish we had 16scu containers

[ocean compass]

do you need to split tho? cant just sell from local in a TDD?

[frank warren]

As even doing 14 8s and 14 4s takes sometime in my Taurus

Mainly because putting them in is a bit of a pain

[frank warren]

Oh yeah, once the RMC is in your local you can sell normally

[ocean compass]

then it doesnt matter no need split

[frank warren]

The only reason you bring the RMC up and back down is just to update the bigger container a

As you can’t sell from the big containers

[ocean compass]

the initial loading into bigger RMC is to save the trouble when moving

[frank warren]

RMC has to be in local inventory itself

Can’t be inside a container sadly

I have tried leaving the RMC in bigger containers and leaving them on my ship to sell. The TDD will see the RMC, but fails to sell

[ocean compass]

well splitting isnt that much of a trouble compared to moving 1x scu repeatedly

[frank warren]

And if you leave RMC in the bug containers and put those in local, the TDD can’t see them

[ocean compass]

just drag over and press up

[frank warren]

Oh yeah, it is faster

[ocean compass]

cant just drag out from big containers and into local invent?

[frank warren]

Easier to put 8 items into a container then move 8 items

[ocean compass]

like reach city with tdd, send big containers down, drag out rmc from big containers into local, go sell - skip the moving it back up part

[frank warren]

You could always try and see

[ocean compass]

prevent bugs

[frank warren]

It wasn’t until recently that I found out we can still drag stuff into local like we used too

Thought they removed that ability

[frank warren]

So you have to drag the RMC back onto the elevator. If you drag them from the container into local, once you close the screen, it won’t save and just puts all the RMC back into the containers

[ocean compass]

just put the big containers on the elevator screen, open it up, drag stuff into local

[frank warren]

So you have to put all the bug containers into local storage, then open each one and put them back on the elevator and once you send them up, they will no longer be in the bigger containers

Then you just send it back down

[ocean compass]

dont need send up

[frank warren]

Doesn’t work either. I’ve tried it

If you drag the RMC into local and leave the big containers on, when you close the window or bring the bug containers back up, they stay in the bug containers

At least for me it did

[ocean compass]

big

your i spoilt? 😄

well at least i learn a trick for storing into larger SCUs

but normally i fly straight to city unload there

then fly out continue salvage

later 1 shot sell all

[frank warren]

Ive also thought about doing that

Just bring the vulture and sell from there

But I also have been trying salvage at Yelp instead and selling at Grim

As I don’t have to deal with atmosphere and taking a train

[ocean compass]

i think selling at grim not worth

[frank warren]

But it is a lower profit

[ocean compass]

like 64k in 6mins

[frank warren]

I think it was like 60k lose

[ocean compass]

i rather fly that 6mins

[frank warren]

Yeah, partly why I want a reclaimer

Can just chill and salvage for a long time before having to sell

And you can get a lot of CM really fast from large ships

[ocean compass]

also we in wrong channel chatting abt this

[frank warren]

Oh shit we are lol

[pearl juniper]

I knew this was a thing at one time (in PTU), but then I thought it was broken and buggy and it was disabled. Does it work now?

[frank warren]

It does

I did it recently

I’ve really been debating on making videos for these kind of things. Just so I can send it to people so they can see how it works compared to just explaining it over text

[gilded kindle]

Can you sell it as whatever size scu or do you have to break it back down after transport?

[frank warren]

You have to remove the RMC from the bug containers and put them back into local inventory. If you leave them in the big containers, the TDD and Admin won’t even recognize the items and if you leave the big containers in your ship, it will fail to auto unload them.

[gilded kindle]

That's what I figured, It has its pros and cons I guess

[frank warren]

Yeah

Still faster to load the 1scu of RMC into a 8scu container and then unload them afterwards

[fathom ledge]

haven't touched cargo in 3.24 - is it worthwhile to load/unload yourself?

[pearl juniper]

you often have to. The auto load / unload is only available at major cities / stations, so if you want to haul from a mining outpost, you have to manually load as far as i know. And the auto unload is a bit buggy still. Hauling missions you have to do it manually, that's kinda the point.

also if you want to stash stuff in the warehouse or make multiple trips before making one run to the TDD to sell, you have to manually unload (it can be well worth it for that, spend a little time unloading to save a round trip on the trams)

[pearl juniper]

good to know, I didn't realize they had fixed it.

[orchid moon]

Its fun until they have you tons of 1scu containers instead of a few 8scu ones

[leaden monolith]

My experience with auto load isn't the best. It sometimes just doesn't load up anything your bought but it keeps your money. Other times it only loads some of the cargo and the rest is lost. It also seems to have issues figuring out loading different size cargo crates. When it works it's great saving you time for a small cost. When it doesn't it's annoying and can be expensive.

[ocean compass]

yeah until tiao just mentioned about manually combining 1scus boxes, makes it easier imo

[deep bison]

if it wasn't for the fact that crashes keep killing all the cargo I've bought 😠 , I think cargo trading on the free market would be where all the profit is at. Is there any real reason to actually do the cargo missions?

[mild pumice]

They're quite enjoyable if you like the gameplay, I find them a relaxing low risk activity. There's some nice routes you can stack and they pay I reasonable after experienced Rank. They do start to get a bit same same after a while but that's kinda true for all the loops.

It's obviously not going to compete with salvaging per/hr but it's reasonable for the effort, I like stacking the local jobs.

[deep bison]

But couldn't I just buy something cheap and fill up my connie and have the same experience selling something I bought myself? Like Tungsten seems cheap as dirt, wouldn't just buying tungsten, tossing it in my connie and then selling it have the same gameplay but higher profit?

[mild pumice]

Yes of course but then you do have the risk, no matter how cheap of losing the investment. But yeah it's pretty much the same, you can plan your A-B-C routes, etc

[deep bison]

I guess yeah, If i'm gonna plan on making a 25% profit and want to make what I'd make from the mission. that math always means I'm having to risk effectively 4x the missions payout to break even.

[mild pumice]

I've lost 4 million to cargo bugs this patch which is actually more than I've made so I'm currently running at a loss lol

But they were high risk transactions

[deep bison]

I like the A to b to c to A planning part, but yeah... the fragility of the cargo stuff makes it pretty hard to enjoy.

[mild pumice]

940k for a Hull C that wouldn't load, 1.5 mil for a load of diamonds and 1.5mil for medical supplies in both cases New Babbage destroyed my ship when I pressed 'store' lol. I avoid NB now.

[merry prism]

No worries cargo rep loss will be gone next patch.

Per CIG

[deep bison]

I mean, I wouldn't be upset about losing rep or cash if... you know... the cargo just worked right.

if the only way to lose my stuff was to get pirated, steal it or crash my ship. I'd be happy lol.

[mild pumice]

I'm not really bothered during alpha, as long as the testing we do helps to make the game better in the long run.

[pearl juniper]

I think you will make better money doing hauling missions. Buy price on tungsten is about 220 if I remember right? A full load of tungsten in your Taurus should be 220x174scu = 38280 aUEC, 33% profit on that is only about 12.5k profit per load. Some of the higher value cargos of course you can make more, but the low value stuff just isn't very worth it. To compare, at "experienced" rank on hauling, I have a route on Hurston that pays about 275k and takes about an hour.

[tall karma]

So I plan to shoot the lower spindles off my hull c so that it can work in hangars. Anyone know if the loading that works correctly will still work if you're missing spindles?

[frank warren]

Kinda smart if that works out

[tall karma]

I just need to figure out how much SCU each spindle holds

[meager vessel]

I did that w/ a tonk in my xl hangar. it neatly took off each lower spindle w/ 1 shot apiece. I loaded it up, and went into quantum from a station and it just blew up >.< I assume it was an unrelated bug but I have yet to try again lol.

Also it sucks since you have to dock every time first, then store it, then get a large hangar with another ship, then summon it from within the large hangar to even get access to it. Or have a friend with a large ship follow you around and get a large hangar. IMO you should be able to choose hangar or docking with those large ships. It's a pita to have to dock first everytime, and have to have large ships waiting at each station you want to use. That's my experience so far at least.

[tall karma]

It's definitely a known bug that it retrieves to a hangar, but you can avoid docking if you don't mind a 5 or 15k impound fee (can't recall which).

Another goofy bug I discovered is if you bedlog with the spindles extended, then log back in, you can load cargo onto the spindles via auto-loading and then close them with the cargo attached as long as you do not move the cargo at all.

So technically you could then land and store at any major city in a hangar and try to auto-unload at TDD

[tall karma]

Is it possible to sell cargo from the grid with auto loading at a TDD with a stored Hull C, or will it just fail because the ship type requires the special unloading mechanic?

[forest dagger]

I took 12 boxes of maze from a mercenary mission. Where can I sell it ? Is it only grim hex?

[leaden monolith]

CRU L4 and L5 both have no questions asked terminals that should take it.

[violet lark]

are evevators at scrap yards still bugged? i have like 50 eggs i need to sell

[forest dagger]

Is this a different location than admin?

[pearl juniper]

yeah, it's a red terminal like the other illegal terminals

ones in a locker room, the other is in a back room kinda hidden behind some caution tape

[forest dagger]

I’ll have to look for it. I am parked at cru l4

[still ridge]

does cargo hauling work yet ? like can i buy with hull c and sell at stations

[mild pumice]

It can but not 100% reliable

[still ridge]

dope time to uninstall for another year and maybe they'll fix it

[limber bone]

just tried to buy some gold at mining facility. freight elevator is on the transfering to warehouse loop. 350k down the drain lol

[still ridge]

thats why i uninstalled imagine what happened to you at the scale of tens of millions

[limber bone]

quick hauling question. is it better to rent a larger ship to do the better paying missions or just chain the smaller ones with my C1?

[tall karma]

It has worked for me pretty consistently

You just have to know the right order of operations.

[still ridge]

what are they can ya tell me?

[tall karma]

1. Hull C needs to be stored (make sure spindles are CLOSED when storing) or docked at the station.
2. Buy cargo at admin by selecting your Hull C 1st in the top left drop down before buying, then purchase (it will tell you about auto-loading and you have to hit accept).
   3.Leave docking port, or hangar with ship and once a safe distance that wont get you impounded, call Cargo ATC (sometimes it automatically does this upon leaving the hangar).
3. Make sure your spindles are extended then enter the blue box, and once it turns green become stationary and turn off engines to avoid moving.
4. Wait for cargo to load. It may say you have to remain stationary for like 30 seconds before a countdown appears.
5. QT to your destination, and then call ATC to Dock at a Docking Port.
6. Walk to the Admin terminals, and initiate a sale of your Hull C cargo which will tell you to unload with Cargo ATC.
7. Return to ship and Undock - do not call Cargo ATC until you have put space between you and the docking port (impounding means losing everything - dont get impounded).
8. Call Cargo ATC and enter the blue box.
9. Repeat step 4, wait for cargo to start unloading.

Once it completes you get paid.

I've done a couple runs between Seraphim and Baijini successfully. The hardest part is docking with a full Hull C.

[still ridge]

i’ll try it cuz i was always using the pads and i tried selling after docking at the destination but the sales value was zero and i couldn’t call atc

n i appreciate the help btw

[slim pulsar]

Can refinery orders be unloaded to a hull series ship?

Or do you need an actual cargo bay

[near swallow]

Not sure anyone's tried it, since selling them would mean going down to a planet, and planets don't have cargo areas for Hull C to sell.

[slim pulsar]

Ok! Good to know

[ocean compass]

whats the button for cargo ATC?

same N?

[vocal swan]

Can 1 SCU hauling containers be loaded into any of the larger containers at the warehouse?

I can get an 8 SCU container to show its capacity filling as I select boxes, but then it says the selected boxes are blocking the elevator when I try to move them to the larger container.

[tall karma]

Oh, BTW - do not attempt to auto-load hull c with a damaged spindle. It has dire consequences.

[young prairie]

Going along with what @vocal swan just asked, I'm assuming there isn't, but is there (shouldn't there be) a way to combine cargo containers into larger ones in general? For example, if I had 96 - 1 SCU containers of RMC in the warehouse, shouldn't I be able to combine them into 3 - 32 SCU containers in the cargo terminal? I feel like that should just be there....It would certainly make loading them up for a later sale much easier.

[vocal swan]

It would be handy. The interface almost works for filling a standard container with hauling containers, I can see the container filling as I select the hauling items, I just can't then transfer the hauling items into the standard container.

Also, I'm trying to fill a Starfarer's solid cargo space with hauling missions, and having to drag things what feels like a half-mile due to the overhanging fuel spars is a little rough.

[tall karma]

You can detach those I believe

[vocal swan]

I did remove the fuel tanks, but the length of the empty tails still makes the positioning a little tricky to get close to a hangar elevator. I can sidle in sideways some so that the refueling arm and the landing gear isn't directly in the way at least.

[ocean compass]

you can only combine into 8scus

player bought max is 8scu boxes

tiaoz explained in #industrial-professions message

but when you reach the sell location you need to split up the RMC back into 1scu containers or cant sell, using the roc gem splitting method

1. send 8scus RMC down, while at warehouse, double click to open the 8scu boxes, drag the RMC into the left side lift elevators
2. send the lift up. it should auto split the RMC back into 1SCU boxes, then send back down.
3. Sell at TDD
4. $$$$

[vocal swan]

Does that work for hauling mission boxes too? That's what I had the issue with. I'll check that link, thanks!

[ocean compass]

hauling missions i dont know, sorry

i dont see any reason not to work tho

if you can combine the 1scu/ 2scu boxes into 8scu boxes

dont think the mission cares if it receives the 8scu of copper in 8x 1scu boxes vs anything else

[vocal swan]

I basically tried those steps independently, and got messages that the items I was trying to load into the standard container were blocking the elevator 🤔

[ocean compass]

yeah the topic tiaoz was talking abt was mainly about player farmed RMC from salvaging

not so sure abt cargo hauling boxes

[vocal swan]

Haven't gotten to trying salvaging yet, I'll keep it in mind if I do 😄

[ocean compass]

you test if can combine and let me know 😄

[vocal swan]

Perhaps I should shift to trading instead of missions just for autoloading.

I at least broke 100k for the first time after dragging 40-something containers manually for a small pile of hauling missions.

[frank warren]

It should work, I just don’t think the mission will see the scu containers until you remove them from the bigger container you stored them into.

[vocal swan]

I couldn't get them into the container to start with.

[frank warren]

If you are talking about commodity trading. Do not go to any outpost to buy or sell. Only stations and cities until the elevators are fixed

[vocal swan]

I did think I heard some about that, thanks.

[frank warren]

I just got back home from surgery. So I’m unable to get into game for a tiny bit. But when I do, I will try to see if they can go into a bigger scu container and maybe they can’t

Also, when doing those contracts, you don’t have to bring 100% of the cargo to finish the contract. There is different levels 25% 50% 75% the minimum is 25% or you will fail the contract. I haven’t looked too much into it, but it just seems you get paid less for brining less. But not 100% sure

[vocal swan]

Interesting. I had the space in the Starfarer, it was just tedious moving everything.

[frank warren]

Fair, it is a pain to move all the tiny containers.

Especially if you take on a lot of cargo at once

I have yet to do cargo missions, mainly salvage, mining and bounty work

[vocal swan]

I grabbed like seven contracts from Seraphim to Orision 🤓

[frank warren]

Having the same drop off location is nice. Because you can just unload everything without counting what is for what lol

[pearl juniper]

the pay seems to scale with how much you deliver in my experience.

[frank warren]

Okay, that is what I thought, but wasn’t sure

[ocean compass]

honestly if you want, you can go to outpost, but make sure the freight elevators are working. ususally there's 3 elevators, go check and press F on it, if its stuck on loading or something, its not working. if it is, grats now you can buy stuff and bring it out

station to station/planet trading are 100% working because freight elevators are personal elevators

but the profit margins are tiny

i tried the bajini -> area 18 trading, using a Hull A (4x 16SCU boxes are very fast and easy to load)

per trip was like 20k profit

[vocal swan]

I'd accept small profits while I figure out trading for sure.

[ocean compass]

theres a trick where you put regen point on bajini, when finished selling on Area 18 to backspace (suicide) and spawn back at bajini point,claim the ship (expedite only 2mins) and trade again

[vocal swan]

But I'm offline for the evening now!

[ocean compass]

1 run takes 10-15mins

so easy 4 runs = 80k profit/hr

not a lot, but decent for a newbie

[gleaming steeple]

Rented a cutlass black to try to do some hauling missions- but the tractor beam in the rear doesn't seem to be letting me bring crates closer to the ship.. Am I missing a button somewhere?

[wheat moss]

Left alt + mousewheel

[gleaming steeple]

Left alt.. dammit
Thank you- I figured it'd be the same as the handheld

[pearl juniper]

yeah for some unknown reason, it's different for ship tractor beams 🙄

[gleaming steeple]

Also, is it common for the cutlass' pilot and copilot animations to only play correctly once when getting in the seat before completely bugging out? lmao

[pearl juniper]

I have noticed in the latest patch all pilot entering seats animations are subject to bugging out. Not something I saw before 3.24.1

[gleaming steeple]

For hauling missions- are the crates Always going to be 1SCU? Is there a way to get bigger crates or is it just extreme tedious forever? Lol

Additionally; is it possible to take half a load and then return for the other half?
I tried to do it earlier and port tressler refused to give me the other half, but I’m not sure if that was just a server bug or not

[ocean compass]

hauling does give bigger crates later on with higher level missions.

[ocean compass]

not really, if you see on top there was a discussion that missions get completed with min 25% delivery. anything less it fails

think you may have just completed the mission with 50%

#industrial-professions message

[frank warren]

I would bring a container with you to test the elevator with. I found one that had a working screen and had someone go use it for it to just not work after they put their stuff in it.

[leaden monolith]

Trading at outposts is very risky atm. You stand more chance of losing your cargo and money than you do from dying in game by any means.

[tall vigil]

Can anyone here with a Hull C tell me if the auto loading/unloading works for hauling contracts?

Trying to decide if buying a Hull C is worth it

[ocean compass]

dont buy Hull C

ultimate bugged platform

you will 100% regret

[vocal swan]

I don't think auto loading was available for hauling contracts in general, else I've been a fool and doing it manually 😄

[pearl juniper]

you have to manually load hauling contracts except for the Hull C (as I understand it), although the Hull C is at least mostly broken.

[cerulean lichen]

I know it’s not the most effective solo trader but I love using my raft more than my Taurus. Something about the raft just make me feel more like a space trucker😅

[vocal swan]

<Deep Purple intensifies>

Can the Raft only carry 32 SCU containers and nothing smaller?

[leaden monolith]

The Raft is a great "little" hauler. You can stack all size containers on the Raft now.
If they ever fix outposts in general but also to handle 32scu the Raft will be even more fun to fly around.

[vocal swan]

Sounds like a nice craft. Is the cargo grid underneath it externally, and you snap containers 'up' onto it?

[inner sinew]

Starting out with cargo hauling missions in a Mercury Star Runner last night. The cargo hauling missions netted me 40k profit after a couple of hours.

[mild pumice]

Once you get up to member(or better experienced) rank you can easily stack local missions to get around 200k/hr

[tall karma]

It will load, it will not unload

[tall karma]

Hull C is working for regular trade routes (server health dependent). It is actually more reliable than auto-unloading at TDD or Admin from my experience and can currently be the most profitable form of trading now that blockade is over.

I've also been experimenting with some hull c gimmicks to see how I can make it even more profitable or functional for hauling missions.

[cerulean lichen]

It’s a bit funny how many cargo missions I find are just slightly more SCU than what the raft can handle😅
Sometimes I take them if I can squeeze a box or 2 into the main living space

[gleaming steeple]

Microtech logistics depot.. is there meant to be ATC? I'm trying to deliver cargo but there is no ATC to open a hanger 😵‍💫

[coarse ember]

no atc at DCs so gotta land on one of the pads nearby last i checked

[gleaming steeple]

Hmm
I'll have to try that next time...

Cause now I have a new question; If you have a hauling contract.. and the server has an error... and that contract gets "Abandoned" can you sell the cargo elsewhere? or is it best to just toss it overboard and keep truckin'?

[coarse ember]

just best to toss it, nowhere will take it for you to sell afaik

[gleaming steeple]

Roger that, off to try again!

[daring horizon]

Has anyone used the ATLS yet for loading? ive seen the CIG Cash Grab memes but honestly if it makes loading faster then fine

[vocal swan]

I got it as a token but used it in my Starfarer for some hauling missions yesterday. Given how you can't park it too close to hangar elevators due to the tail booms, the point and click box moving while staying stationary was useful.

But I'm generally inexperienced moving cargo, the handheld tool might have been fine but it probably would have meant a lot of running.

I did end up with boxes hovering in front of me so I couldn't see where to place them a few times.

[coarse ember]

unloading rmc from my reclaimer manually then using atls to toss the boxes into freight worked alot quicker than the handhelds, pretty much same as old multitools except it grabs it and brings it to you at mach 3 then throws onto grid slightly slower than that

[vocal swan]

And you can start turning to face the next box while it places too.

[daring horizon]

Ahh okay thank you. Ive been trying to get the Rep up and the handheld works great just slow and i have to move alo

thatll be useful

[tall karma]

Yes, it is considerably faster and easier if you aren't needing precise placement of boxes.

[leaden monolith]

Yes it's external and where those claw like arms are. You can snap cargo from underneath, either side or the rear.
It's biggest faults are that it is a bit wallowy and slow in atmo. It is a real cargo ship though so that is to be expected. Although the last few times I've used it I thought it was a little faster in atmo.
The interior is just a great layout. it has fantastic range and is cheap to run.

If you can't tell I'm a fan of it. 🙂

[vocal swan]

It does sound fun, thanks for the description! Any way to walk an ATLS on to it?

[supple lava]

Has anyone figured out how to put 1/8 SCU boxes into a 1 SCU box, in the open (I know it’s doable using the inventory management window)?

[frank warren]

You have to do it in a window, don’t think we can combine containers in the open anymore since the inventory update.

[supple lava]

Such a pain

[tall linden]

I finally got the nerve to try the hull-c again today. Went to Seraphin and only bought 200K worth of hydrogen as a test. Left the hanger fast, extended the cargo grid, flew to the cube, turned off the engines, left the cube because it wouldn't recognize the ship, tried again, the same issue, then NPC security told me to halt, but I was in danger of the load timer ending so I ignored him. Ended up losing cargo and getting a C1 stat for not halting lol. Going to try again tonight.

[tall linden]

I was doing rookie hauling missions without it for a couple of days, then grabbed one with store credit and totally has made it faster (at least to unload). Loading isn't precise, so every now and then I have to exit it and move stuff around.

[leaden monolith]

It doesn't fit under the ship to walk it onto the lift. I didn't try tractoring it into the airlock but I think it's too tall to fit in that as well.
You can turn the Raft any which way in a Medium hangar so you can get it close to the freight elevator and positioned how you like basically. When I do runs with mine I only use the max lift and with 32's it's pretty quick to load and unload. Well loading can be finicky until you've done it 3 or 4 times and then you'll wonder why you ever had issues. TBH I still occasionally mess up the loading of a crate or two.

[vocal swan]

Thanks, I did figure that hand tools would work if the ship was close enough to the elevator.

[vocal swan]

Today's weirdness - some sort of invisible barrier at the elevator that I have to walk the ATLS through to actually target boxes.

[mild pumice]

Yeah I've encountered that too, very annoying...

[near swallow]

I've had issues at times targeting boxes with the Maxlift too, solution was to get really close to the boxes. Don't think it's an actual barrier of any sort, just a bug in the tractor beam targeting system(s).

[median smelt]

Is it worth doing hauling with a Connie? Or am I wasting time?

Also how should I be stacking the missions, it got really confusing to drop off items when I accepted a whole bunch

[leaden monolith]

Every successful cargo run is worth it no matter the ship as success = profit. Now if you want the largest profits then you need to invest a lot more in a ship and inventory. Inventory = your money and so the bigger you go the bigger the risk.

I do runs using the Raft, Taurus and C2 depending on how I feel. I enjoy the Raft the most atm as it's easy to load, relatively little investment and the run is very low risk.

So yes it's worth it. Just don't expect huge profits simply because of the volume you'll haul. The margins are the same though.

[merry prism]

Enjoying those station to station runs in my cat/ c2 they are smooth and easy to unload and load and stack more missions.

[mild pumice]

I'm doing this loop again, it takes about the same time as one Senior mission and should give 50% more Rep. Using the little Hull A as it's a lot of QT!

[frank cliff]

It's not as easy in the cat than the c2... Makes me want to upgrade for 70 to the C2 but I already own it in game via UEC..

[mild pumice]

Get a CCU but upgrade when you need to. I'm wondering how much of a chore the Ironchad will be to load

I'm upgrading at some point I got the CCUs ready

[fast summit]

Is there a way to make a living trading at low investment levels and also using the automatic load/unload?

I'm spending about 30k per end to load and unload my C2, and my profit was about 59k for the commodities. It's wiping me out

I'm thinking trading low-volume, high-price items is the way to do that. You only pay per box from what I can tell

[mild pumice]

Yeah you've nailed it you pay for the time/per box so the only way to make money with low value trades is manual loading/unloading

[gleaming steeple]

Is trading viable in the current patch? Or is it better to do cargo hauling missions?

[fast summit]

Based on my experience, you either have to load and unload by hand to make a profit, or trade very high margin items

Once I have my first million I think it'll be worth it, but starting out doing high-volume low-margin trades means you need to do the loading and unloading. It's a lot of time spent.

I'm thinking I'll do salvaging until then

[gleaming steeple]

I’m just wanting to make some quick cash tbh lmao
I rented a cutlass black which made hauling okay- when the outpost elevators actually worked

[fast summit]

I tried hauling and trading about 6 times this patch. The elevator ate my cargo twice and left me with 0 money

It's extremely unreliable

[coarse ember]

Yeah rn I think only working trading is hopping servers til you find one that has a working elevator for what you're trying to buy or low profit high volume station to station or station to city trading

[vocal swan]

Station-only hauling missions have worked for me, I only started doing anything cargo-related a few days ago.

I'm considering getting something like a Nomad for the small contacts, dragging a Starfarer around is a bit of a hassle.

[fast summit]

I'm probably gonna run around in a Cutty Black doing high margin trades. I have a C2 but the loading fees are erasing my profits, and I just don't have the patience for the manual cargo load/unload.

I think around that million UEC mark you can buy enough to offset the load costs

[tall karma]

Oof, probably should have researched this but in my Hull C shenanigans I went to Orison and then learned that the Hull C is incapable of maintaining altitude with cargo in Orison gravity. There goes 4.5mil of cargo!

I seemed to not have the same issue at A18.

[half heath]

hi, i was wondering if it is more worth it to do salvaging with the Vulture or cargo runs with the c2

[tall karma]

Vulture since you risk nothing

[half heath]

alright thanks

[bleak niche]

Hola!!!

[civic epoch]

QQ: Can you stack 4 SCU high in the 'center' line of the Taurus cargo bay?

[vocal swan]

I don't have first-hand experience, but the 3.22 cargo grid reference sheet shows it as 3 SCU tall overall.

[civic epoch]

Yah, for grid snapping. Was curious if the center could go higher. Almost looks like it can. Thanks!

[vocal swan]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/3-22-ship-cargo-grid-reference-sheet For reference, it's a neat document just to look at.

Oh neat, there's a 3.23 update available.

[frank warren]

Love this document. Saved the images just because it’s worth knowing this stuff

[gleaming steeple]

Does accidentally rattling cargo boxes in your ship/hold damage the ship at all?

Cause I'm real bad at using the tractor beam and I have a fucking orgin 135 lmao

[frank warren]

If I am correct, there was a chance where cargo boxes no longer did damage when using a tractor beam, because the ATLS was doing too much damage to ships when trying to put cargo down

[gleaming steeple]

Thank god

Cause those internal bays on the origin are Rough

[tall karma]

Anyone ever seen whether the SRV can tow a fully loaded hull c in atmo?

Atmo like hurston or mt?

[vestal ravine]

The only upgrade I heard about for the SRV was related to towing in Quantum flight mode. Which I look forward to.

[frank warren]

I thought the biggest it could tow was a MSR, though I haven’t really looking into the ship all that much

[worthy wolf]

I have an msr you are welcome to try on lol

It mostly sits in storage anyhow

[leaden monolith]

When it was first introduced it could tow a HH comfortably. Not sure about a fully loaded Hull C in atmo though. It being the only tow truck we have it should be able to tow anything currently in game. So maybe.

[near swallow]

SRV cannot lift a C2 in planetary gravity, that much I know.

[civic fog]

Tried it yesterday. It cant

[vocal swan]

Is the Nomad tractor beam prone to just ceasing to work even though I moved boxes successfully with it at the last station?

(toggled modes from the remote turret view, got it to work.)

[vocal swan]

Interesting, do 4SCU boxes never snap to a carggo grid vertically?

They fit but they don't snap.

[ebon cedar]

Yo guys ! Back to trading 3.24.1, C2 only. I've noticed surface trading is too broken rn. What would you suggest for station ==> station/city trade ? Like this HEPH route, is that really a thing ? (Terra ==> Orison)

[north lantern]

which websites do I go to for trading routes? edit: nvm i found it i think: SC Trade Tools

[vocal swan]

They do good work but also don't drop like 5 million on a route just because the site says there's a profit to be made 😄

[north lantern]

haha i wont

big money decisions give me anxiety

[ebon cedar]

Which ones ? All surface trade are not good with the elevators lotery (not working most of the time, server hopping...). Space ones are limited

[frank warren]

They don’t, none of the containers attach vertically for some reason

[vocal swan]

I've just been on their Discord long enough to see a number of players put way too much into whatever route they saw listed without verifying the numbers in-game first. Probably worth a quick check before committing to big purchases wherever they may be?

[ebon cedar]

Especially with current instabilities. I wonder though wich routes are viable while avoiding completely surface trade

[ocean compass]

honestly the website tools already told you what are the money making trade routes.

if there's special faster / hidden routes people wont tell ya

station to station trading is just a living wage. especially using auto load / unload

like 20/30k profit per trip on a hull A. (i choose hull A because it is cheap to rent, and only needs 4x 16SCU boxes to manual load, imo best for beginners really wanting to do trading). its just low margin high volume trading, but thats the best we have atm until elevators are fixed

im usually doing Bajini Point -> Area 18 Heph trading, 20k per 10-15mins is decent on a Hull A. i assume you can get the profits higher once you hvae a larger ship like a c2, autoload is available

doing tricks like backspace to respawn back on Bajini Point after unloaded at Area18 is a thing fyi

[vestal ravine]

I sold 26 1 scu crates of RMC at the TDD at Area 18 but the single 16 scu crate would not sell. It says it is an "unregistered item". Is this the same as lack of demand? Thanks!! EDIT: Now it says illegal or stolen.

[cloud robin]

If it's marked as stolen you gotta sell in Grim HEX

[pearl juniper]

Is it actually stolen, or was it salvaged by a party member?

[gleaming steeple]

I think it's sad that a 6 SCU mission from station > spaceport
Pays only 3k less than a 100+ SCU mission in different solar systems

Why even bother with the 100+ at that point?

[vocal swan]

That's partly why I took a break from my Starfarer to try out small missions in a Nomad. I'm interested in a Hull A as well!

The Nomad worked well, apart from the contracts to/from four stations that I took being a pain. And having to manually slot in 4 SCU boxes vertically due to them not snapping.

[gleaming steeple]

I'm working on saving up for a better cargo ship, one with an actual cargo hold lmao

I'm thinking probably gonna grab a freelancer or a spirit

[limpid sluice]

someone needs to make a tractor beam calculator

[cedar tapir]

I’m using a Hull A at the moment, and while it’s practical, it doesn’t look great. Gonna go for the RAFT next

Make money back in two junior contracts renting a Hull A

[frank warren]

? For what

[limpid sluice]

For ship tractor beams and ships so you can figure out how many srvs or whatever you need to tow a ship

[frank warren]

Ohh, that is what you mean, thought we were talking like all tractor beams , like the handheld ones and normal ship ones

We really need a heavy duty SRV to tow some of the bigger ships. But at the same time, they need to finish up the ships we have before they make new ones

[craggy tapir]

Wdym?

For how much each tractor beam can pull?

[limpid sluice]

lol i literally already explained

read chat

[craggy tapir]

With the srv?

[limpid sluice]

with any ship/tractor

but yes

each tractor can only tow a certain mass

[craggy tapir]

Srv can pull medium in atmosphere

But anything in zero g

[limpid sluice]

it should also depend on moon/planet

[craggy tapir]

Pyro tractor 1-16scu
Maxlift 1-32scu

[craggy tapir]

It does

Moons like yela

Have less gravity

[limpid sluice]

and in the case of hull c, i believe it also accounts for cargo on grid, not sure about other ships

[craggy tapir]

Then there is the gravity well called Aberdeen

[limpid sluice]

so, be cool if someone made a calculator for all of it

[craggy tapir]

Its not that difficult to understand tho?

[limpid sluice]

no, its not

but i dont wanna do the math

[craggy tapir]

Calculator for commodity surely

[limpid sluice]

i want someone else to do it for me

lol

[craggy tapir]

There is no math

[limpid sluice]

okay

well

how many mpuv tractors does it take to lift a c2?

[craggy tapir]

Why would you even want that?

Rent an srv at lorville

[limpid sluice]

maybe tahts all i have? and im at microtech and i dont want to run to loreville

thats my points

[craggy tapir]

Its literally a 10-20 minute trip

[limpid sluice]

srv is also not enough for a c2 on its own i believe

[craggy tapir]

It is

[limpid sluice]

it atmo?

[craggy tapir]

Srv can drag a 890 in zero g

Could work

[limpid sluice]

well i had a nomad, mpuv-t and 315p trying to lift one once and it wasnt quite enough, so thats why i want a calculator

[near swallow]

SRV cannot pickup a C2 in planetary gravity in my experience

[vestal ravine]

I think it must be my alt accounts crate. Will send it down with him and see if I'm right.

[short thorn]

Hi. Is it possible to rotate objects with the Taurus tractor beam?

[wheat moss]

It should be yes

need to hold R and move mouse

[short thorn]

It didn't work. But will try with alt -r and middle mouse button

[frank warren]

You can as I have before

[short thorn]

Perfect! I just can't find the right controls, but at least I know it's possible

[frank warren]

Should just have to hold R and use your mouse wheel

Those there is a chance it’s Left alt + R and mousewheel

[paper vine]

is this just broken

[ocean compass]

looks like your trying to buy from Platinum bay the RMC selling vendors? those dont work

[stone yew]

anybody know a good way of finding a working scrapyard elevator server. Do I just keep cycling? or try to find somebody in one and join them?

[frank warren]

You can do either, but pretty much just have to keep server hoping over and over

[bleak niche]

Yoyo

[bleak niche]

You need to select a storage destination. The outpost.

[cosmic vine]

why doesnt it let me load my C2?

[pearl juniper]

I don't think you can auto load at outposts

[cosmic vine]

oh alright i've seen someone doing it but alright

[pearl juniper]

Make sure the freight elevator works before buying

[cosmic vine]

makes sense

[cosmic vine]

alr

[coarse ember]

nah, outposts are purely self load since the pads dont go below the ground

[cosmic vine]

do I need a bigger tractor beam to take gold?

I just got the basic one with the multi tool

[pearl juniper]

You need the max lift to do larger than 16scu boxes

[coarse ember]

since argo atls came out in .1 of this patch maxlift has been the go to if you dont have a atls, it handles every crate size (currently) with a farther range than the multi tool attachment

[tepid tulip]

Can the cat not hold 3 x 16 in the bow?

[spare cloud]

Should be able to

Check pins

[mild pumice]

Yes but you need to be in the bay to move the first box back far enough, it's impossible (or at least very difficult) to do it from the ground

[winged minnow]

Is auto loading/unloading working properly at stations and cities for C2?

And does the hull c work for trading currently?

[wraith apex]

Do you not get to choose what size crate the mission cargo comes in? Makes it awkward to fit in my Connie when the mission just gives me 8 scu crates and I can't stack them.

[mild pumice]

@winged minnow the answer to both is there's a chance it can fail for the Hull C it's a higher chance for regular auto loading it's a lower fail rate

[mild pumice]

Nope the mission will give you as many of the largest size quoted and any smaller to make up the difference

So 100scu with a max 8scu is 12x 8 and 1x 4

[wraith apex]

Wow that kinda sucks.

[mild pumice]

It's a current limitation, they do intend to give ways to combine/split sizes in the future

[solar bay]

Any1 got a good trading guide cuz ive tried cargo trading but i never find the damn posts

[slate spruce]

You mean the trading outposts?

[pearl juniper]

They have said they intend to let you split / combine your own cargo. I'm not sure they have ever said you will be able to alter hauling mission cargo.

[mild pumice]

It was talked about during cargo and hangars Q&A they didn't specify exactly how they intend to do it just that they want to improve the experience, it was in relation to the question why placing mission cargo withing a larger container was removed.

[pearl juniper]

Ahh, maybe they do intend to allow it then

[mild pumice]

I wouldn't read too much into anything tbh it's only the first version of hauling missions it's definitely going to go through many changes

[digital rose]

Hey can anyone help me with this

I am at the TDD at Orsion and it says that I can't sell anything

Where am I supposed to sell

Do i have to sell at the admin now

[ocean compass]

construction materials sell at admin

[digital rose]

Okay thank you so much I did not know with the new update

Do you know where all the admins are at all of the citys @ocean compass

[ocean compass]

https://uexcorp.space/trade/price_finder/?query=construction

[digital rose]

Thanks

[tall karma]

Well I think I'm done experimenting with the Hull C now. I have bugged out multiple stations, one of which instantly creates a server crash if I try and load there. I've lost about 20mil in cargo with all my random experiments. Safe to say you can do Hull C trading if you do it 100% right and never ever try a hauling mission at any station with the ship.

[sonic laurel]

is trade tools still up to date?

[ebon cedar]

If I may, which ones are working then ? The trio Rappel/Picker/Dunboro ? Elevators are destroyed on each server reset after a few uses. Tested myself on a fresh one. Despite extreme caution it broke.

[ocean compass]

outposts elevators are usually buggd out instantly aye

i wont do any of those outpost trading

[ebon cedar]

Yeah same. So no more RMCs trade I guess...

[ocean compass]

honestly tho, i seem to find beryl trading from outpost working

like SM022 i think

[ebon cedar]

SMO-22/10 ?

3 elevators yeah

[ocean compass]

yeah i always find the SMO22 elevators working

[ebon cedar]

less chance of immediate destruction

[ocean compass]

but lesser people trade beryl cos not top money maker

if i really really wanna do outpost trading i will do beryl runs

if not better off doing just station to station runs

way lower margin, but autoloading available

[ebon cedar]

And if you want to do space only, what would you do ? HEPH ?

[ocean compass]

so makes up for it in terms of effort

porb heph aye

or medical supplies

see whats profitable on the trade tools

[ebon cedar]

rgr tks

[wraith ice]

is hull c cargo missions still broke?

[tall karma]

Yes

[cursive wagon]

This is what we need instead of hover cargo trolly. A hover cargo truck. Can carry 2x 16 scu containers. Short enough that it could go into the cargo centers, but big enough you can carry the cargo

[gleaming steeple]

Is it just me, or is trying to take cargo off the RAFT finicky?

[cedar tapir]

Yes very, try putting 32 SCU containers on it, that’s finicky 🤣

[ionic elm]

100%. You have to get in just the right spot and sometimes the cargo boxes on the grid don't have any collision with other boxes

[inner sinew]

I thought my Mercury Star Runner was going to last as a good cargo hauler. Last night did my first rookie/Junior hauling contract and ha stuff just all over the place. Not sure how I managed to close the ramp.

[frank warren]

I honestly just grab the bottom box in the raft and the rest fall lol

[crisp stratus]

are the freight elevators fixed?

[woeful elbow]

iv had no issues with them

[pearl juniper]

which ones?

hangers work fine mostly. Outdoor elevators are hit or miss

[crisp stratus]

the outside one on the mining facilitys

[pearl juniper]

yeah, depends on where you go. The mining facilities that don't sell anything people want are generally OK in my experience (for doing hauling missions to, for example). The ones that sell gold, I have not heard of them working reliably.

[rain parrot]

cant seem to buy/load stuff

idk if am just being dumb

[spare cloud]

You can't buy directly to your ship

You have to buy at local place then load cargo with a tractor beam, from the freight elevator

Make sure the elevator works first. Gold buy points are almost all fucked rn

[rain parrot]

i guess if it's stuck on transferring ot warehouse it's not going to work?

[spare cloud]

Yeah

[rain parrot]

anyway to fixit?

[cosmic vine]

nah

unfortunately

so trading kinda dead rn because of this

so I use a trading route with hangar and auto loading

[rain parrot]

ah that sucks speant the last of my money , should of checked before i got anything from it

[pearl juniper]

Server hop and try again, might get lucky.

[rain parrot]

Yea been doing that for abit no luck so faar

[glass trail]

Need a class of instruction (COI) on:

https://uexcorp.space/

Anyone willing to jump in voice and walk me through how to use it correctly?

[rain parrot]

how do we do cargo hualing now?

with the things being bugged?

[near swallow]

Not everything may be bugged. Check the freight elevators before buying anything. Or do cargo hauling. Or use mining to generate cargo to sell, though for the latter I wouldn't use the slowest refining method right now since it sounds like 3.24.2 may be getting closer to coming to PU. (And that reminds me, I've got refined ore to load up and go sell.)

Er, note that cargo hauling to/from outposts can have the same issues.

[woeful elbow]

anyone having issue going to their hanger?

[pearl juniper]

Hanger elevators have been problem free for me

[humble merlin]

The only issue I usually have is that the first elevator never shows my hangar, but the second one always does.

[near swallow]

There is at least one elevator at Orison that seems to be lacking the hangar button, but I don't always encounter it in the same spot, when I do encounter it.

[gleaming steeple]

Is there anywhere to rent the Freelancer Max? Or is it just the freelancer that's available for rent?

[tall karma]

Stick to hauls that have dedicated hangars. Stations, major cities and distribution centers. Hurston is the best system for hauling because MT is messed up and there are lots of distribution centers in hurston

[tall karma]

Nope. Sometimes I just have to try 3 or 4 elevators

[solar bay]

What is a good starting capital if i want to start trading with a rented cutty black? Im only gon have it dor 1 day so i wanna make the most of it

[mild pumice]

Best thing is to do local hauling missions, there's not really enough enough meat on the bone with small A-B hailing

[solar bay]

Missions?
Really?

I was thinking like trade routes

But how much auec to start

[pearl juniper]

IF you can find a working elevator (good luck) gold should be the most profitable. A full Cutty Black load would cost about 266k, and yield 78k profit (ish). https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Cutlass%2520Black%2522,%2522investment%2522:1000000,%2522itemName%2522:%2522Recycled%2520Material%2520Composite%2522,%2522itemQuantityInScu%2522:1000,%2522wreckNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522allowWaitTimes%2522:true,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522itemTypes%2522:%255B%255D,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%255D,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%255D%257D

if you can't find a working gold elevator, you can try these. Profits are slim though, if you ignore the bexalite routes which might take a while to buy a full load due to supply. https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Cutlass%2520Black%2522,%2522investment%2522:10000000,%2522itemName%2522:%2522Recycled%2520Material%2520Composite%2522,%2522itemQuantityInScu%2522:1000,%2522wreckNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522allowWaitTimes%2522:true,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522itemTypes%2522:%255B%255D,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%255D,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522mustHaveHangars%2522:true%257D

[solar bay]

thanks

[ocean compass]

i give you 2. 1 is beryl trade from SM022, usually have working elevators from what im seeing.
2) Bajini point -> Area 18 heph trading. trick is to put regen point on bajini point, after buying from bajini, sell at area18, backspace (suicide) back to bajini point, your gear should still be within the local inventory, claim your ship and go again.
with 64 SCU on a Hull A (rented), i was making 20-23k per 10-15mins. that will be around 80-100k / hr, which is good enough for new players

[solar bay]

thanks

[tall karma]

Good enough in .1, but with those .2 fuel prices there might not be any profit left over!

[gleaming steeple]

When it comes to doing hauling missions- or really any missions- If you do a rookie level mission, will that improve your standing with the junior/member/etc. levels? Or will it don't effect them at all?

[limpid sluice]

All levels of missions will improve rep and affinity, its just a matter of how much. Usually higher tier missions offer more improvement to your standing with the provider

[gleaming steeple]

Sweet, thanks!

[pure prairie]

Yo how long does it take for demand to reset

Like if I max out the demand how long does it take for it to come down to sell again

[pure prairie]

15 mins

yo thanks mush

no problem mush

[frank warren]

lol

[mighty rune]

is there a way around comodity shops?

mine aint working

[rose obsidian]

what do you mean

?

[steady lily]

Does the shubin mining elevators work?

[ocean compass]

go see for yourself. answer is usually no

[frank warren]

At this point, about 95%+ of servers do not having working elevators at outposts or scrap yards. There most likely are servers with working ones, but they are very rare and they won’t stay working for long.

[craggy tapir]

yea

from what i know
elevators get broken when people try to get a 32scu in/out of the elevator

[spare cloud]

That was the issue at first but last patch they removed the ability to buy too big containers somewhere they can't be spawned.

Issue after that was stuff in the elevator doesn't despawn, there's a video of a guy glitching through the ground and inside an outpost elevator, trying to get the blocked boxes out and unlock the elevator

They failed

[silent vapor]

Is there any way of loading more than one box at a time for contracted cargo? Outside of enrolling my brothers’ help.

[craggy tapir]

Nope
Box by box

[silent vapor]

Noted; Thankyou!

[mild pumice]

They need to add a reset state that wipes any objects when the location streams in and out, get rid of some of the abandoned shit too

Obviously fixing the items that bug them out too would be good!

[craggy tapir]

how many 1scu boxes can fit inside a 8scu stor*all?

8 right?

[hallow hearth]

Basic math bro

[limpid sluice]

7 as far as I know

[leaden monolith]

My mother told me there were 3 three types of people in this world
Those that can count and those that can't

[craggy tapir]

Cuz when 4 1scu boxes of rmc in a 8scu stor*all i couldn't get more in

And i found that VERY weird

[mild pumice]

They're not wrong, 7 fit but 8 also fits 🦎📦

[deep bison]

Does the Hull-C work right or is it still busted constantly? I aint buying one if it's broken

[deep bison]

is the SCU based on the space inside the crate or including the crate itself? Like if I get a 1x1 wooden box, a 1x1 wooden box won't fit inside of it.

[ocean compass]

its super duper broken. dont buy it

[north oyster]

I have a CCU for the Hull C that I have never executed because it is totally fubar in game at the moment. The C2 is my daily driver for trade

[lone sage]

!fit

[jolly dagger]

Can it fit?

Credit to RubenSaurus

[lone sage]

Anyone know if an ATLS fits in a cutter?

[copper kiln]

Does anybody know how long specific shop as pryo or terra take to reset? Is there maybe a tool for this times or does it take everywhere the same amount of time?

[limpid sluice]

Did they change it? I don't use the technique as I don't do much cargo, but last I heard you couldn't fill a container with the max scu worth of cargo

[tall vigil]

Does the Taurus still have the cargo problem? where the cargo can get glitched into the ground and blow up the ship

[limpid sluice]

7scu was the legit max for an 8scu storage container

[mild pumice]

Unless they did change it, I definitely did put 8 in mine

[fresh fractal]

I'm drawing blanks on trading because of the elevator issue, in addition my Hull C just lost me 7 mil because it wouldn't load and for some reason i couldn't sell back to at least recliam some money. Supe fucking furstrated right now and looking for any pointers on making a $$. Dm is fine if you dont want to post public, i get it o7

[lone sage]

Don't spend any money on the hull c

it hasn't really ever worked correctly

I would recommend doing either hauling missions with a regular cargo ship like a c2 or even a c1.
You can also do ninetails bunker farming for boxes.
Salvaging with the vulture is also fine.

[fresh fractal]

Thanks 👍🏻

[deep bison]

I thought each item reset at different speeds?

[copper kiln]

Possible, thats why i asked if theres a tool to check the times

[tawdry light]

What does this mean?

Is something not properly secured to my cargo grid?

Now it says “Cargo Removal Failed”

[pearl juniper]

auto unload can be buggy. Might have to go manually unload instead.

[rain tinsel]

so the argo mole no longer has a ship storage? I noticed both the lockers in the berthing are non functional.

[mild pumice]

Yeah a lot of ships need their storage lockers updated to function, it's a known issue.

[wet edge]

vaugh vs ruto loot whose is better

[vestal ravine]

I have been going with the Vaughn missions. 8 to 11 missions per level and the higher ones have the Weevil Eggs. Prison is a thing however. I don't mess with the comm arrays.

[steady lily]

how tf does the terminal work? I sent like 4 rmc down but I onlt got 1? is it because I only ordered 14k?

and the rest is gone too

[vestal ravine]

Wait till the new patch. A lot of the elevator types are broken.

[cloud flare]

I bought 6x16scu crates at a mining outpost, but I cant transfer them from storage to the elevator. I think its because they're too large, but now I can't sell them back. Is there anything I can do, or have I just screwed myself?

[leaden monolith]

It's not the crates it's the elevators. Basically none of them work at outposts. Yes to your last question unless --- you server hop until you find a server where that elevator works. Then if you're very lucky you'll be able to get your cargo.

[vocal swan]

How do you test if an elevator works, is it just sending it up and down, or using some test cargo to see if you can lower it?

[slate spruce]

Just send up and down

[cloud flare]

Awesome, thank you

I managed to get my cargo, encountered a broken one, had to find another place to sell and then when I did sell it didnt give me my money? I went to the commodity shop, sold it, loaded it onto the cargo elevator and sent it down. I got a screen showing it accepted them, but it didnt go through

[tall karma]

Did you try and sell it from your ship?

[cloud flare]

Yes