industrial-professions

[olive gull]

reclaim back your ship

what new patch? not on the Live

[opaque raven]

3.23.1

oh is that not new maybe my files just validated cuz i crashed

[olive gull]

tha was from several weeks ago

[opaque raven]

oh nvm then

[near swallow]

Far as I know, duping bug is fixed on PTU build.

As is SCU boxes on grid vanishing when ship is stored.

SCU boxes (and loot boxes) having "infinite" inventory capacity but not letting you take items out or put items in however was not fixed last time I tried it.

[muted walrus]

is buying all the drugs at a terminal and the selling it good?

unlike regular hauling where u focus on one commodity?

[spark crest]

do i need a special suit for cellin?

[small hornet]

Is there a way to get gasses and sell them? But not through trade through mining?

[brittle kraken]

No

These are the only resources currently obtainable from mining

[thick sage]

what's the demand timer on cities? this is getting very frustrating

[spark crest]

how can i dock the freelancer

[spare cloud]

You can't

Only a few ships can dock atm, and no ship to ship docking at all apart from P-52(-72)/Constellation

[brittle kraken]

15 minutes

[thick sage]

ok... no demand for 1 hour

[brittle kraken]

Are you constantly refreshing?

[thick sage]

i keep checking the screen yes

[brittle kraken]

Because it resets every 15 minutes but if your not fast enough you will miss it

[thick sage]

how can I miss it? literally nobody in this city

[brittle kraken]

And it says no demand right? Not can't sell?

[thick sage]

ye, no demand

[brittle kraken]

It takes into account all players in your respective region, so everyone playing SC in the US for example.

Not just your server

[thick sage]

that's kinda bullshit

[brittle kraken]

Not really, that's how you have a game wide economy

[thick sage]

yeah buit i can't sell my damn salvage because of that stupid bug

and because everyone for some reason needs to have billions that will be wiped next patch...

• the reset seems to be minimal...

[leaden monolith]

I might be telling you something you already know but check what subsection your cargo is in when it has the "No Demand" message. If your cargo shows up in the "In Demand" section you can sell even with the "No Demand" message under your cargo grid representation.

I got caught out by this several times till I realised my cargo was in the "In Demand" section. I haven't had this issue for a while as I stopped salvaging because of the difficulty in selling RMC.

[thick sage]

what you just said is very confusing, but my cargo is in the no demand thing, otherwise i would be able to sell

[spare cloud]

That's because changing the subsection refreshes the terminal, like leaving and rejoining it.
So doing so continuously you'll just end up seeing the stock refresh

[thick sage]

sub-section of your ship?

[thick sage]

o so i can stay with the thing open all time?

[leaden monolith]

Your cargo can show up in one of the three sections shown. Here mine is in "Cannot Sell". As we all know you can only sell cargo if it is in "In Demand".
If your cargo shows up in "No Demand".
Then later it shows in "In Demand" (at the same location)
It can have a message in red that says "No Demand"
Despite this you can sell all or part of the cargo.

[cinder lantern]

That gonna take a bit to sell sadly for you

[quaint spruce]

^

with all the RMC duping going on.. gl selling that quantity any time soon

not saying its not possible by constantly refreshing the terminal.. just going to take some time

[olive gull]

well... Grim HEX may take it.. just not at the very best price

[tall stratus]

Due to server instability I now have exactly 0 money

[uncut crater]

Been there, done that

first thing that happened to me in 3.23.1 was losing literally everything I own

[tall stratus]

Yerp. Was running cargo and trade terminal went hay wire

Bought iron and never got it

[elder summit]

Oof

I wish I could actually find more than 40 gold or something lol

[spark crest]

is there anyway to preview a ship? like rent it but just view it in a hall?

cuz i wanna see how a freelancer max looks like but can't rent it

[uncut crater]

try renting it in AC

[spark crest]

what is ac?

[uncut crater]

arena commander

[spark crest]

ohhh

[uncut crater]

if you pick free fly instead of one of the combat modes, you can pick any ship you want

I'm not sure the MAX is for rent in AC, but worth checking

don't forget to set yourself to offline, otherwise you'll probably load in with a bunch of sweaty pvp turbonerds in meta fighters looking to make your day spicy lol

[spark crest]

in the sc finder site it says it not for rent but i don't know how it is in arena

[uncut crater]

that refers to PU rental

worst case, I have a max and can let you borrow it

you can rent all the other freelancers in AC so I assume the max too

it won't show it for me as rental since I own it

[spark crest]

that would be nice but i've played enough for today

[uncut crater]

oh hold on

[tired inlet]

Sometimes you've gotta cycle between offline and online AC modes to get your hangar to sync. 3.23 bug

[spark crest]

how much do you start with in arena?

cuz i haven't played that yet

[uncut crater]

10k? no idea

I have a bunch more from subbing

I'm told it's pretty easy to earn if you actually play online AC, but I basically only use it offline

[hollow sedge]

any workarounds for dunboro terminals not recognizing your ship?

[olive gull]

yes, get your ship closer to the console

[spare cloud]

Do you really get dunboro to work like this ?

Or are you giving this advice based on nothing ?

[olive gull]

the later?

[spare cloud]

Then don't ?

Dunboro is bugged, it's a known issue, and it's been mentioned many times

[olive gull]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[amber onyx]

was my thought but its just buged

[uncut crater]

On a scale from 30k to , how ready are you for all cargo gameplay to be bricked until 4.0?

[quaint spruce]

its a bugged mess

just keep taking off and landing it'l eventually register

[north oyster]

Some of the fixes will drop in 3.23.1a and 3.23.2 will have a good bit of new cargo play

[thorny lodge]

Any way to check if your cargo is actually empty?

[earnest raptor]

trading station

[thorny lodge]

turns out orison atc was forcing the dupe glitch on me. ill take it for wasting so much of my time trying to sell

I think it took as long to sell this ore as it did to actually mine the stuff

[elder summit]

I know the ccu channel exists but as a player primarily interested in cargo does it make sense to melt my max for an iron clad or is that just too big to be practical and just do a caterpillar or something?

Or does anything have a cargo capacity in the 250-400 range smaller than the c2 / cat? I want more than 120 and I don’t like Connies

[olive gull]

A2 and Starfarer are your only options in that range

i personally love my A2

[elder summit]

Yeah at that point I might as well get the c2 though for that price

[fathom latch]

Hi. Regarding selling commodeties. With the current cargo grid bug. Am I safe storing my ship, going to menu, hitting a different server, spawning the ship, and selling at the terminal? Or will doing that nuke whats in my hold?

[hollow sedge]

Tried all manner of different landing locations including some *creative" ones, nothing affected the terminal being able to see the ship. Continues to be a bug

[spare cloud]

There's the Hull B and Railen too

[granite bramble]

anyone know a good way to find ravens roost

[spare cloud]

Jump to closest point, fly the last few kilometers. Regularly check your location on the starmap

You can fly to Necropolis or Cry Astro, then jump to the other and stop in the middle

[granite bramble]

ah its moved

i was looking at caliope

[spare cloud]

Been on mT for a while now

[nocturne berry]

Hull B does but it's not in game and it carries externally so not good for Pyro.

[nocturne berry]

Also, Zeus CL is supposed to have 128 SCU and is coming out next after the Zeus ES for 4.0

You'll get a Spirit C1 loaner. That might change to the Zeus ES when released

[burnt crane]

is the Hull-C currently usable in-game as an actual cargo hauler or only next patch?

[spare cloud]

It is usable now.

But only "usable"

[burnt crane]

ok so i could make money with it?

[spare cloud]

Let's say it's not the best experience

[burnt crane]

ah..

ok i'll pass^^

because it looks really cool

bounty hunting didn't do too hot for now so im thinking about doing something else again

...although with 30 server FPS i might do some more mining lel

god i can't wait until they get the servers really up and running. the game is so responsive on low-pop server that it's actually fun

hurston rail system is staying on the rail

weird experience

hm

trader tool is just pushing me towards RMC trade lol

surely im not gonna get farmed on those stations

althoug there are 10 people on this server, me included

@spare cloud Dunboro is bugged, right?

[visual night]

Yeah it is, go to Picker's imo

You probably won't see anyone on such a low pop server. You'll still have some waiting to sell

[burnt crane]

yeah i can wait

im selling it for 500k profits

just 174 SCU

[visual night]

Yeah that can sell in one go pretty much everywhere. Orison might get unlucky and only open 80 SCU at a time if the region is busy on other servers

[burnt crane]

man i destroyed the server FPS

i went to new babbage and as i did, the server added 60k new entities

im sorry to the 8 other people on the server

[elder summit]

Anybody else never have luck getting any gold at SMO-18? Maybe I just have bad luck or maybe it’s always sold out lol

[burnt crane]

ok something seems fucked with new babbage

as soon as i left it, the server entities went from 140k to 60k

like, bro

god damn it, where is the terminal on picker's field

[nocturne berry]

What do you have stored at New Babbage?

[burnt crane]

nothing

[visual night]

Look for the yurt kinda building, with two entrances. Near the outskirts, opposite of the pond

[burnt crane]

yurt?

god damn it

i parked next to it but i didnt see the scrap sign

[burnt crane]

so, i had a 30k when i was selling at new babbage

seems like i still had a full cargo hold of RMC?

wat

and it let me sell it again

[elder summit]

Is pickers field typically super hostile or relatively safe to pop in and out

[spare cloud]

Given that there's only two working RMC buy points, many dupers, and many people trying to fuck the dupers, no. RMC buypoints are not safe

[elder summit]

Yeah that’s kinda what I was thinking. I’ll wait til the new patch I suppose

it feels like it shouldn’t even be buyable, make people salvage for real demand

[uncut crater]

This kind of stuff should just not have a demand cap

[zinc shore]

Sorry if this has been answered but whats the current strat to move vehicles components between bases? 8k SCU isnt big enough for a single weapon. :/

[burnt crane]

me waiting to sell my RMC because everyone else is doing it and the demand is down the shitter

[molten vessel]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[burnt crane]

yeah this is the last time im trading RMC lol

im trying to sell my 107 SCU for 30 minutes by now

i'd be making more money trading gold

maybe even food at this point lol

[uncut crater]

I usually make more consistent money chasing the less hot commodities

[burnt crane]

yeah

the usual lol

although i did make 2.5mil today selling my mined goods too

[uncut crater]

nice

I have barely played after overdrive

The idea of just chasing money for nothing doesn't entice me much lol

[elder summit]

Where can you fill anything with gold? I only see a few places with like 40 scu

[burnt crane]

well

it's the second most hot material lol

honestly the trader tool should give you a list of materials listed downwards with prices

it's also an issue that the demand is across all servers tbh

[elder summit]

Which trade tool? I use both but the inventories don’t seem to change

[burnt crane]

im using the trade tool everyone else is using

[elder summit]

Uex or sc-tools?

[burnt crane]

sc-tools

[elder summit]

Gotcha

How often does the inventory reset at the shubin outposts? 15 min too?

[burnt crane]

i think it's 15 minutes no matter where

[elder summit]

10-4, thanks

[nimble ledge]

Is Taurus tractor beam limited to SCu boxes?

[burnt crane]

no, you can also lift freelancers with it :p

[nimble ledge]

I cant lift dead body from ground using that

[burnt crane]

hm

....i mean why would you need to do that lol

[nimble ledge]

I mean why not? I wanted to steal armor without landing

[burnt crane]

so after my trading expedition i have to say, trading absolutely sucks lol
there are just not enough places to trade with to make it work. in elite dangerous you can 100% be a perfectly viable space trucker, but in star citizen there are just not enough places that demand or sell something atm
what i found you could do is buy RMC, land on Area18 and keep server hopping until you sold it all, making at least 500k profit. but that aint it

[nimble ledge]

Traing is tiny gameloop rn, having more systems will make cargo trading a large part of game ofc

[uncut crater]

People just insult me when I say that space trucking in SC is the worst space trucking experience of any space game 😂

And that's before we even talk about piracy lol

[nova laurel]

SC is the worse experience of any kind since 3.23 due to servers. Borderline unplayable. I finally had a an hour free in the weekend yesterday and all I experienced was three server errors

[uncut crater]

I'm not even talking about that lol

But yeah, 3.23 has been mid on a good day tbh

people calling it a huge success amuse me

[burnt crane]

it's a huge success

compared to 3.18

but meh

ill go back to shooting rocks

was more profitable and more consistent

[uncut crater]

I went back to playing Space Engineers

[burnt crane]

[north oyster]

I won't insult you, but I enjoy the trade aspect. It can and will be improved, of that I'm confident

[uncut crater]

I've spent enough money to warrant sticking around and see where the dumpster fire ends, but I'm not confident in anything CIG does anymore lol

[versed shoal]

Is Pickers field or Maker's Point terminal working? or is it only rappel?

[north oyster]

I'm not as pessimistic as you are maybe because I keep my expectations in check. I do get disappointed plenty but over all this year has turned a corner way more than any since 3.0 release imo

[uncut crater]

I'm not really pessimistic, just fairly neutral tbh

[fading sigil]

hey im new to the game, does anyone wanna do some cargo runs?

[woeful marsh]

why does caterpillar have less maneuverability than 890J

[late moth]

much skinnier

[uncut crater]

Yogi only understands 3 flight tunings:

• VROOOOM
• Vroom...?
• Brick

[woeful marsh]

it do be the long way

[torn owl]

I lost 1.3 mil of RMC to piracy

First time it happens lol

I took down a cutlass blue but the origin got me

[uncut crater]

Yeah it happens

[torn owl]

Yeah

Well now I need to grind back to 1 mil lol

[uncut crater]

I used to get intercepted a lot. Not very often by competent pirates though.

[torn owl]

I was able to take down the cutlass blue

And I was afk lol

[uncut crater]

I've had a few dogfights in the M2 lol

Was a lot easier when you could just go max beans with the guns on

But naah, can't have that. Ganking was too hard, so Yogi fixed it.

[torn owl]

Like I went to get water and I came back and I was taking damage and then I saw pirates lol

[uncut crater]

lol

[torn owl]

And I just started shooting and I took down a cutlass blue

But I had taken too much damage in the c2 and I couldn’t handle the fight against the Origin

[uncut crater]

Better luck next time

[torn owl]

Yeah

[uncut crater]

Maybe grab someone as a scout

[torn owl]

Well for now I’m broke so I need to get my money back up lol

[uncut crater]

Don't really need escort. Just someone flying 2 minutes ahead of you so they can eat the bubble and warn you of whatever is waiting.

Not being afk helps too 😁

[torn owl]

Yeah I mean the server was calm lol

[uncut crater]

Good luck earning the money back

[torn owl]

I went to pickers field and there was no one

[torn owl]

I just need to do a few runs of salvage lol

A good 1 hour or two

And I should be able to have the 1.3 mil back in no time

[uncut crater]

Yeah, just make some tea, put on some Taylor Swift and take out the anger on the evil evil salvage panels

[torn owl]

The pirates they weren’t even good at fighting

Like if I wasn’t afk I could’ve taken them down lol

I destroyed the cutlass blue in like less than 2 minutes but Sadly I was afk

[uncut crater]

Yeah they tend to not be very good lol

I'm a solid "awful" at combat, but I've kicked so many ambushes in the nuts with my M2 lol

[torn owl]

I’m not even mad about the cargo I’m mad about the fact that I knew I could’ve beat them if I wasn’t afk

lol

[uncut crater]

yeah that kinda burns lol

[winged musk]

I'm not against working as defense around you if I get paid

[desert echo]

is Vulture cargo grid not working?

for anyone else^

[scarlet rover]

Apparently that's happening to ships if you store them while they have cargo. I believe the workaround is claiming it (but doing so would remove any existing cargo)

[desert echo]

oh I gotcha, thanks for the help!

[velvet rapids]

yeah claiming fixes the grid.. but not haven't it hasn't affected me being able to sell, it's just a bitmore finicky to stack the boxes.

[nimble ledge]

So I have been running Taurus in Jumptown drugs trade routes, SC-TradeTools suggests me trading only RMC, what other stuff can I trade?

[rugged palm]

I’ve lost boxes in my cutlass red full of gear from a store 😦

[drowsy kettle]

ayoo im tryna do cargo runs and i got a massive "unclaimed cargo awaiting transfer" really obstructive rn, anyone got a fix?

[drowsy kettle]

also glitch at everus warning, no docking ports available and when you finish depoing your cargo it will send it into storage, meaning you cant take it out

everus harbouR*

[drowsy kettle]

nvm it didnt send my ship into storage this time

[winged musk]

what are you putting in the grid? the printed SCU boxes? Don't even bother..
you can fit 3 large, 2 high, 4-5 rows of it.

[torn owl]

If you do RMC make sure you have scouts with you because you’re more than likely gonna get raided by pirates

Happened to me yesterday while doing RMC

[lost canyon]

is cargo hauling viable now?

[warm totem]

hmmm, define viable

it works yes

its a grind like anything else

[elder summit]

I got a lucky full load of gold yesterday but I had to lookup that I couldn’t buy until I knocked off the last scu

Wish my ship was a tad bigger but she works

[torn owl]

What ship do you use ?

[elder summit]

Currently the Max

Debating on melting for Taurus but I don’t really like it but it holds more and more guns

[olive gull]

Taurus is the current Meta for ERTs and mid cargo hauling, 4 S5s are a real thing. However if you really dont like it, the Corsair is an alternative, more firepower but less than half cargo.

[elder summit]

Yeah I am more concerned with the cargo space honestly but I don’t want the caterpillar and the C2 is everywhere

I’ll probably just keep using the max for a while

[civic epoch]

Another option strictly for cargo is the MSR. It's just slightly smaller than the Freelancer Max, but is faster if all you plan to do is run. It's cargo bay is also great for hauling around ROC(s), Nursa, and other ground vehicles. Just depends on your taste. I alternate between using the F-Max, Corsair and MSR, depending on my mood and intent of the haul. MSR handles better in atmosphere than the other two in my limited skill opinion, and is lightning fast in QT with an upgraded drive.

[olive gull]

Freelancer is a fine ship, TIP: i found 2 paintjobs for the Freelancer the other day, about 40k each, at Area18.... forgot the name of the local.. Cousing Crows or whatever

[spare cloud]

MSR Lancer and Corsair can all three use the same QDs, so that's not a relevant comparison point

[elder summit]

I have the storm surge paint and it’s pay better than the stock one lol

[olive gull]

anything is better than that orange paint xD

[elder summit]

lol

I like orange but on the freelancer it’s not a good look lol

[civic epoch]

Fair enough on QDs being the same. It is faster in Nav, and SCM, which was my primary intent on expressing.

[spare cloud]

Don't really travel much in SCM speed when hauling

But it does win by far on Nav

[civic epoch]

Yeah - Depends on how frequently you need to try to escape from PVP or AI pirates. Every second counts sometimes for sure.

[wraith ice]

Someone slide me the Hull C cargo route

[spark crest]

what is the special cargo thing for at baijini point? if i press on comms to land there there's baijini point and baijini point cargo

[spare cloud]

This is meant for the Hull C

[tropic peak]

Anyone have the best route for hull c trading ?

[open sage]

idk if the Trading apps like SC Trade Tools are 100% reliable but i use that and it hasnt failed me yet so have a look at that maybe?

[tropic peak]

I have been using that mostly going to place to place however I didn’t know if there was a min/max chart out there or something..

[open sage]

not that i know of anyways but maybe someone else would know

[spark crest]

does the caterpillar has a thingie that can fly on its own?

[spare cloud]

Yes, but not functional yet

[spark crest]

holy that's cool

[near swallow]

Ironclad/Ironclad Assault will use the same command module apparently.

[spare cloud]

Caterpillar will likely have it functional with Ironclad in game release

Don't think they had before, but with Ironclad announcement, they also communicated part of that command module specs

Was worried it wouldn't have a QD, but it does have a S1 QD

[tired inlet]

Iron clad is going to be so lit as a moving salvage or mining base. Take the command module down the gravity well to get more beers, come back, and fly a vulture around with plenty of room to stock cargo. This is my dream, 10/10 gameplay.

[tired inlet]

Where did you find tech details for the drake command module?

[spare cloud]

#sc-news message

[pale heron]

Wanting to know if the recent duping bug affects the gameplay loop of the vultcure regarding selling. I am wishing to save up to purchase a vulture but have seen people in global chat stating that they cant sell because of the "duping" bug that has been occuring?

[uncut crater]

It's affecting everything that involves selling stuff

[elder summit]

The salvage channel is more appropriate but long story short - yes, but there should be a patch out in a few days that fixes it so keep working towards it!

[pale heron]

ok ok that is good news, hopefully it will be fixed ty 🙏

[upper sorrel]

While the people duping definately does effect some things, it only effects the places buying RMC, the way around the issues is to go to Area 18 and cell your RMC and you will only have to wait a little bit to sell your cargo. people are just lazy and dont want to admit that this RMC glitch has little to no effect on them.

[upper sorrel]

actually, you would be incorrect, only effect the selling of RMC, selling at area 18 aleviates 99.9 percent of the problem

people are not duping scrap. only RMC.

[warm totem]

a few days? Hmmm, that would be nice. Are you basing this on anything factual? Not being a jerk or anything, I might have missed it!

[surreal snow]

i also would like to know more info on said patch.

[pastel anvil]

The 3.23.1a patch currently in PTU fixes it.

[near swallow]

We do not actually know when that patch will go live though

[bold hazel]

got a question, trying to buy rmc at dunboro but i cant seem to find my ship inventory is there somewhere im meant to be parked or smth?

[spare cloud]

Dunboro is bugged

[open sage]

Yeah it can be bugged but I find that if you park it as close as you can outside the entrance it makes it more likely to appear

[coarse ember]

Dunboro is sadly broken like zoegh said
I believe pickers Field and rappel don't get you falling through ground trying to buy from the terminal

[leaden monolith]

This might help. I can't attest to how accurate it is as I'm not Hull C owner but it might help.

[tropic peak]

@leaden monolith that actually helps a lot! Thank you!!

[uncut crater]

That's the dream. It's been a dream for a while too.

[spare cloud]

It's quite limited

Looks good and very clear tho

But it only shows the 4 orbital space stations

[uncut crater]

it was made for the Hull C release iirc

Just making sure, the C is still completely borked, right?

[spare cloud]

It can work

It's functional

Sometimes

[uncut crater]

lol

Same as ever then

I used one from the day it got on PTU until a couple weeks after it landed on LIVE. I think I got 2 cargo runs done total.

I lost like 80M aUEC on PTU trying to make it work 😂

Maybe one day

The real question is, will you ever be able to pay your own crew plus a crewed Hammerhead for escort?

[tropic peak]

@spare cloud you are saying that once is the most up to date one?

[spare cloud]

No, I'm saying the other one is over simplified, showing only 4 locations available for the Hull C

It's correct, but too simple

[tropic peak]

Ahhh gotcha! Thank you very much!

[jolly garnet]

i have a c2

and a bunch of money

i traded up with beryl to this point but i hit a limit, RMC isnt available to sell and drugs have really low stock

[uncut crater]

what limit have you hit with beryl?

don't bother with RMC until next patch IMO

[jolly garnet]

profit is like 200k

[uncut crater]

that's respectable

[jolly garnet]

is there any commodity that yopu recommend

[uncut crater]

beryl is fine 😛

gold and rmc are the top dogs usually

but hard to get enough, often involves pvp, etc

[jolly garnet]

profit bit low

didnt they fix the demand?

dupers

[uncut crater]

not yet

200-300k profit per trip is decent though

[coarse ember]

I suspect they'll patch dupe bug by .23.2 or sooner with the .1a patch or at the very least I hope so

[spare cloud]

It's already announced fixed with 3.23.1a

[elder summit]

Hull C is so aggravating lol, it would be so popular if it worked more places. Insane profits off low low risk materials. But being a freighter I imagine they’ll get targeted by pirates sometimes.

[uncut crater]

the materials might be low risk, but the ship itself is a massive risk magnet

[elder summit]

Right

That’s kinda what I was thinking

[uncut crater]

the only reason there aren't more people sitting outside of station armistice throwing torps at them is because the C is so broken hardly anyone tries using it

[elder summit]

No one knows what’s inside the scus

lol

[uncut crater]

had it happen twice on the same day to a mate of mine when he was trying a few weeks ago

[elder summit]

Most common ship in the galaxy 👀

[uncut crater]

people just see a Hull C and get a massive torpedo boner I guess

[elder summit]

That would make it hard to enjoy for sure. Like yeah I get that piracy is part of the game and whatnot but 2x in one day (especially with decent losses) would really turn me off

[uncut crater]

I don't think he has played since

also torping someone at a station isn't piracy, it's assholery 😛

[elder summit]

Oh yeah right outside armistice is classy

I’ll just log off in armistice if someone wants to mess with me. I don’t need to play that badly lol. I’ll come back in an hour

[wooden kraken]

Does anyone know yet if we'll be able set our persistent hanger to any hanger or just the four capital
city locations?

[uncut crater]

I think it's going to be just your home city for now. You'll be able to rent more persistent hangars at other places at some point in the future iirc

[wooden kraken]

So no imprint for the hanger than can be transferred like our own bodies?

[uncut crater]

I'd have to go back and check what exactly they said, but I don't think so, no

[wooden kraken]

Thanks MV

[near swallow]

In theory you could use other ships to load a Hull C with cargo, manually, and then unload via other ships at the other end of a trade route, so you could carry better cargo. However it would take a lot more work to do that.

[uncut crater]

That's basically where things are headed

[near swallow]

It would, I think, make more sense when there are multiple solar systems in game.

[wooden kraken]

These new DC pickups are heavy, lol

[cyan gust]

so lets say I bring a vulture and a friend brings like, a corsair

would they be able to sell the cargo onboard their corsair or would something absolutely awful happen?

[somber bay]

They would if you are in a party

Don’t log off before they sell or it becomes stolen

[cyan gust]

whew

thanks

[dawn halo]

Is this where I can buy cool gearsets of ya laddies?

Armorsets that is

[uncut crater]

#market-street

[dawn halo]

much appreciated @uncut crater

[green forge]

Where can I get a cargo container?

I'm confused about this process

[spare cloud]

A storage container ?
Or do you mean commodities to trade with ?

[green forge]

I've seen people putting gear in a box and loading it on the ship. Where do I get the box?

[spare cloud]

Storage containers then

You can buy those in cargo stations

!itemfinder

[wary tusk]

Universal Item Finder

Use the website to search for any item (and where to buy them) in-game.

[near swallow]

The cargo deck on named stations above each world sells those boxes, however they are buggy at the moment so you might end up not being able to put stuff into it or take stuff out of it, unless you toss it into a local inventory.

And I'm not sure the .1a patch will fix those boxes. I'm hoping .2 at least does.

[upper sorrel]

The boxes are definately bugged, also, tractor beaming bodies into your ship doesnt work anymore as well, you have to manually swap all loot onto your person go to ship and put in inventory. all instances of trying to tractor beam bodies onto ship they instantly disapear as you cross the threshold of the door.

[green forge]

I'm just trying to stockpile some armor so I don't lose as much money when 10 years of development happen

My latest bug was I called for my ship went to the hanger and there was a little green box there. Went back to the ship screen and had to file a claim

[karmic wedge]

Whats the best cargo or trading to do for a newish player with a cutlessblack

[uncut crater]

drugs

beware security scans, beware pvp, but that's the only thing you'll make any profit with in a cutty

[karmic wedge]

Sweet as. I had a mate send me 500k to help me get started so i can learn before going bust lol.

[uncut crater]

don't blow all your cash on trade cargo

my personal rule of thumb is never more than one third of my funds

[karmic wedge]

Na im not that silly. Ill probably do some small runs to work out how it all works then work my way up

Is there any good channels or anything that are helpful with drug runs if i need the help

[uncut crater]

nobody is going to get to you in time if you pipe up on discord when you're under attack

organize an escort ahead of time if you want

but chances are, if someone finds you, and you're in a cargo ship, you're fucked

a cutty can fight a little, but they also know that

so if they engage you, they're either dumb, or you're dead

[karmic wedge]

I meant more for pick up and delivery locations to make most profit. I expect to get shit on if someone attacks me lol

[uncut crater]

play around with this https://uexcorp.space/commodities

[karmic wedge]

Thank you

[torpid hollow]

So at this time do you have to reclaim your ship after every cargo run in order to reset your ship's cargo? (i.e. you buy cargo, sell it, then try to buy more and it says you can't b/c your cargo is full but it isn't and you can't re-sell what it says you already have)

[uncut crater]

yeah seems that way

I've decided I'm not doing anything involving selling/buying stuff until next patch

I can't be arsed

[open surge]

I haven't had any issues if I don't store my ship before selling

[uncut crater]

I can't sell anything if I don't store my ship. It shows up empty at the kiosk.

[green forge]

maaaaaaaaaaan i bought a storage box, tried to place it and my dude threw it at the ground it bounced off into oblivion. I said thats fine. Ill just go do a bounty and take whatever fits in my backpack. Land my ship, the elevator puts me below the ground and I fall away into the universe.....

I see the potential but this game is boarderline uplayable

15 minutes waiting on a claim again

[uncut crater]

Yeah I too used to see the potential lol

[torpid hollow]

I bought and sold then logged off a couple days ago. I logged on today, got my ship out of the hangar and the ship is visually empty but at the outpost kiosk to buy cargo it says my ship is full. So I fly to a metro to try selling and it says my ship is empty.

[vestal ravine]

Sounds like the invisible cargo grid glitch.

[near swallow]

When I buy/sell anything going onto a ship's cargo grid right now, I do it with the ship retrieved and I try not to store the ship with cargo at all. That also means when picking up refined ores from a refinery, I'll retrieve my cargo ship first, then go to the refinery to load up, take it to a city, leave the ship in the hangar, and go to TDD. And hope the ship doesn't get auto-stored.

[open surge]

If you store at all with cargo on the grid, it will bug out your grid

[hard sandal]

did they fix the cargo exploit yet?

[bold panther]

Nope not yet thats what the next update is gonna do 3.23.1a when ever it finally drops should be anyday now

[spark crest]

is argo raft good cargo ship?

to use to transport refined roes

[open surge]

Not especially

It's ok, not great

[spark crest]

better or zorse then freelancer?

[open surge]

Freelancer is probably better to fly, tbh

The max has decent cargo space, and the whole lineup just got component upgrades

The raft falls short until we have those 32scu pods working I'd imagine

The MSR is nice for moving ore. Handles alright, for its size. The doors are a pain though

Connie, cutty, Freelancer, corsair are all ok options and can do more than just moving your refinery jobs

Spirits, too

[spark crest]

i got a nomad now for everyday stuff and roc mining but want smth bigger for prospecter transport

[open surge]

Next size up would be Freelancer, spirit, or cutty

[spark crest]

alr thx

[fallen lodge]

how often does demand reset?

[lime vessel]

10-15min normaly

[spare cloud]

That's closer to the time for a single refresh

A full reset takes multiple refresh, depending on location and commodities

[burnt crane]

so i have been looking at the stats of the Caterpillar and Hercules a little... what's the point of the caterpillar? lol

it's a third cheaper but you get an 8th max range, 100 less cargo and less armour

like, an 8th max range is wild

[spare cloud]

At this point in the game, except for the price, there's no reason for a Caterpillar other than looks.
But when cargo refactor comes in (3.23.2), a Tractor beam will likely be extremely useful, so a Cat will probably be the best choice

[burnt crane]

wasnt there also something with cargo unloading being easier on it and that being the selling point?

[leaden monolith]

I guess it depends on what you want from the game. The C2 is nice and clean and holds more. The Cat is more industrial. It's the same really with any ship. If you're Meta then your choices are limited but if you don't care about Meta the world of spaceships open up to you.

[spare cloud]

#sc-news message
#sc-news message

[burnt crane]

thanks

[burnt crane]

i mean i like things that are effective but also look good, a reason why i like Origin Jumpwork ships. if i could get a pure cargoship from that company, i would buy it

i dont really like drake since it's very... ductape-y

[leaden monolith]

In that case leave the Cat alone. My alt has one and personally I really like it. I'm not a Drake fanatic though. People aren't fans of the Raft but I really like that too. I do think it has issues but don't all ships?

[spare cloud]

Cat is likely going to be meta, but I don't think the C2 will be left behind.
Cargo gravlev looks very cool and easy to use

#general-news message

[burnt crane]

i mean just because the C2 actually has a fuck-ton of range it wont be left behind lol

how is the cat gonna do anything inside the pyro system kek

you have to refuel every time you do anything with it and the C2 can go directly from the seller in Stanton to the buyer in Pyro

[spare cloud]

Equip more efficient drive ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[leaden monolith]

^^^ Not all profitable runs require huge distances either. Plus the Cat is, imo, cheap to run.

[elder summit]

Best plan? Have friends with both

[spare cloud]

Have both*

[elder summit]

lol yeah but I’m not spending $700 on cargo ships lol

If I do it’s an ironclad or the vaporware BMM lol

[spare cloud]

In game 🤷

Not everything has to be pledge

[burnt crane]

chief, takign the "most range" drive with the caterpillar makes you only go 300GM

meanwhile the C2 got 2440GM

[spare cloud]

Not saying that's not true

[burnt crane]

will probably use the Echo tho

[spare cloud]

Just not a main concern really

[burnt crane]

atm, yeah

[spare cloud]

After too

[burnt crane]

depends on how long the distance is

i'd prefer not to take refueling stops inbetween cargo hauls lol

[uncut crater]

doing cargo in pyro? might as well just self destruct and donate the money to the nearest pirate 😛

[spare cloud]

We can imagine doing cargo from Stanton to Pyro being more rewarding than inside of just Stanton.
But it's also a lot riskier, so you'll need an escort, and that escort will need to refuel.

[burnt crane]

i mean there are probably gonna be other systems that aren't just madmax hellscapes, no? lol

[spare cloud]

You came with Pyro

[uncut crater]

considering risk vs reward is literally the only thing CIG seem to understand, pyro will probably print money

[burnt crane]

fair enough

[spare cloud]

And yes, but they're far away

[uncut crater]

from where? who knows. magic money.

[spare cloud]

In dev time

[uncut crater]

the gangs probably have more money sitting around for mission payout than the richest corps in terra

[burnt crane]

i mean, buying a fuckton of drugs in pyro with a Taurus should be ok

i heard it has a scanner proof cargo hold anyway

and it's not gonna be a push-over either

[uncut crater]

yeah, a whole 6 SCU

[burnt crane]

oh

[uncut crater]

it's the little room in the back 😛

[burnt crane]

only the small little cabin in the back?

might as well not have it

[uncut crater]

still better than the 2 SCU in the MSR

[burnt crane]

although i can see the Corsair be the King of Pyro with it's bullshit quantum fuel capacity

and you got guns and a functional shield

[spare cloud]

Taurus and Corsair are the same really

Only difference is cargo capacity vs vehicle capacity

[burnt crane]

Corsair got like

tripple the range?

Connie

[uncut crater]

I wouldn't worry too much. They reduced the size of Pyro considerably, and put in a lot more stations for refueling.

[burnt crane]

corsair

[spare cloud]

Yeah fuel is a thing, but again, that's a problem you can solve

[spare cloud]

You can just look at fuel tanks

[burnt crane]

well yeah, but more stops means more time for a criminal to take notes of you lol

so i would prefer not to stop at all inside pyro lol

[burnt crane]

i know im smart, thanks

[burnt crane]

so depending on the ranges, im gonna take something that is leaving me as little as possible inside normal space and as much as possible inside quantum travel

[uncut crater]

you know the mantis exists, right?

nowhere is safe 😛

[burnt crane]

i can just jump somewhere outside the normal routes lol

being off 2 GM should be enough

like, jumping half-way towards the system's star or another moon/planet

and then jumping towards the jumpgate

would be funny if all people would just camp the pyro -> stanton jumpgate and killed everyone that tried to get out

[near swallow]

Aside from the Cat costing less then the C2, one feature the Cat is supposed to have that it currently doesn't have, is modularity. It's intended to be more then just a cargo ship. And the command module, which has one of the two tractor beams, is also supposed to be detachable. And lastly, the side and front cargo doors are also supposed to serve as elevators.

As far as manual cargo loading/unloading goes, having 5 separate bays means you could in theory have a bunch of people loading/unloading at once without getting in each others way as much, especially if they were using MPUV Tractors. Hercs only have front/rear cargo access, so manual loading/unloading with more then 2 people might be a bit tougher.

[uncut crater]

One thing to note is that Hercs are intended to fly pretty well in atmosphere even loaded, which the cat really isn't.

Who knows if that's still the plan, Yogi only knows

[burnt crane]

eh.... you are selling the cat more and more to me lol

[elder shadow]

ive got a pirate cat and i fkn love it

the livery is

[burnt crane]

so you get a cheaper ship that has less range and a lot more versitility vs a more expensive ship that is solely for cargo hauling

[near swallow]

No reason you can't have both. I do, both bought in game. (Admittedly in 3.22 before the price change.)

[elder shadow]

*chefs kiss^

[near swallow]

That said, Cat doesn't have it's modules yet.

[burnt crane]

i used to own a C2... and after my break from the game i no longer own it

even got a livery for it lol

[elder shadow]

weird, did u buy it in game or with real money

[near swallow]

Wipes do happen from time to time, as well as ships going missing after patches, though I've never had that problem.

[burnt crane]

in-game

[burnt crane]

it's the only ship i lost lol

i own every other ship i bought kek

[elder shadow]

oh yeah that happens with alot of wipes

[near swallow]

Then it was probably lost due to a bug that they've tried to fix but may not have totally fixed.

[burnt crane]

even still have my retaliator and Ares ION

[elder shadow]

couldnt get rid of the ion if u tried, theyd probably make u pay more to refund it

jk lol

[burnt crane]

i bought it in-game too

out of all the ships... why i kept the retaliator and ion is kinda a mean joke tbh lol

both ships are dogshit

[elder shadow]

tali they added moddularity atleast but idk if u can get those modules for ingame money yet

[near swallow]

Far as I know, can't buy Tali modules in game yet. Could be they'll treat them like new ships and be pledge exclusive for a while.

[burnt crane]

no

that is the issue lmao

so right now i got a damage pinjata that doesnt do any damage in return

[elder shadow]

fair, i pledged for one with all mods, then said fk this ship and melted it but they didnt refund for the modules

[spare cloud]

C2 actually isn't "meant" for cargo.
It's been advertised as a courier ship, to deliver vehicles, and hold is obviously very well designed for this.
Tho it's likely never going to be mainly used for this, and will stay a cargo ship for players

[elder shadow]

i still have them in my local inv lol

[burnt crane]

until they actually introduce the weird claiming missions where i need to bring the vehicles to the players that want it manually lol

[elder shadow]

gta 5 mechanic rp ??

lol

[burnt crane]

kinda

plus with the stealing of vehicles that way

but isn't there literally a military version with the M2 that was designed for vehicle transport? lol

[spare cloud]

All versions are

[near swallow]

I think the modules would have to be melted separate from the ship.

[elder shadow]

interesting, they dont appear in my hanger seperately

[burnt crane]

also, can someone explain to me why the luxury ships like the 890 and the 400I are designed like actual ships that go through water? lol

[spare cloud]

Because that's what they're inspired from

Space yatch

[burnt crane]

kinda sucks, ngl

i came for space ships, not yachts that go through space

[elder shadow]

i like'm

[spare cloud]

I like them too

[burnt crane]

eh

taste and all that lol

[spare cloud]

890J best carrier atm

[elder shadow]

i have the 400i 600i 890j, such lovely ships

[burnt crane]

i mean i like their designs too

[elder shadow]

600 is a bit clonky

[burnt crane]

i own a 300I just to travel through stanton

[spare cloud]

Reworked 600i gonna me dope

[elder shadow]

is that a thing?? lol damn i need to see that

[spare cloud]

Interior will be much better, way less wasted space

Andf Explorer is getting a medbay

[burnt crane]

this was my main ship in elite dangerous, so the Origin ships are exactly the design i really adore

i just wish they looked less like a yacht lol

[elder shadow]

so excited for the rework then, wonder when that'll be

[burnt crane]

i really love the blue,white,black colour schemes

[elder shadow]

pretty nifty

[burnt crane]

yeah

this is exactly why i want a ship from Origin for every job :p

i'll pay my 30 mil for an Origin made salvage ship

give me a really large cargo ship made my Origin

890C

[spare cloud]

Explorer

Touring

[burnt crane]

huh

that waterfall looks like a lot of wasted resources

i like it

but they better be making the floor out of wood

the ultimate flex in a luxury ship

JESUS

im so not used to flying small ships

[uncut crater]

I've decided to pivot my fleet full cargo/industry because I hate myself

[burnt crane]

meh

combat isn't that great anyway lol

if i want combat i'll play Helldivers 2 :p

so now i'll be a space trucker

[uncut crater]

when I want to fight in a cockpit I play DCS

DCS has problems but at least shit makes sense

[burnt crane]

also when can i name my ships?

[uncut crater]

in the future

[burnt crane]

i need to fly around my certified "Truck-Kun"

[elder shadow]

wow how gorgeous, thanks for that

[uncut crater]

I should get that on a shirt and go to citcon.

"Not in this patch" on the front

"In the future" on the back

[burnt crane]

i mean like, i know the game is not really up to where it should be

[spare cloud]

Now, for a few of them.

[burnt crane]

but man are you being pessimistic lol

[elder shadow]

soon ™️

[uncut crater]

Am I wrong? 😛

[elder shadow]

yeah ive got my carrack named whumba jumba

[spare cloud]

MSR is the only one that looks good with a name

Carrack too

On 600i it looks stupid

[uncut crater]

the MSR name slot is chefs kiss

I love that guy who called his the Logitech MX Master

[burnt crane]

how do i do it?

[uncut crater]

some ships are nameable

you do it in your hangar

[spare cloud]

You need a nameable ship

[burnt crane]

is there a list?

[elder shadow]

look for packs in the store with nameable ship

[uncut crater]

in the future all ships will be nameable, is what I meant.

off the top of my head, Reclaimer, Hammerhead, MSR, 600i

[spare cloud]

Reclaimer, 600i, Carrack, MSR, maybe two more.
If it's nameable the option appears on your hangar

[elder shadow]

then u do it on the gamepack in the hanger tab of the rsi website

[spare cloud]

Hammerhead ? I don't think

[elder shadow]

some were, ik a dude who has a nameable one lol he always makes it somethin weird

[uncut crater]

See the rename ship button

I could have sworn I was able to rename the hammerhead I owned for like 3 days for overdrive

I might be wrong

[burnt crane]

i just died (great) and spawned with 2 tier 2 injuries in my legs lol

[burnt crane]

i also literally only died because some idiot couldn't land his C2 30m to the left

[burnt crane]

so, there were some RMC containers at rapple and some dipshit with a grav-gun tried to steal them from me

i hopped into the tractor turret of my Taurus and fucking PUNTED that guy in the face with a 32SCU crate lmao

[uncut crater]

lol

[burnt crane]

bitch tried to steal my RMC and got what he wanted

lands
idiot in a C2 attacks me
realises im not a push-over and tries to run
eats 8 missiles and gets soft-killed

why would you attack a Taurus in your C2, then run and deactivate your shields lol

[uncut crater]

average SC player

[spare cloud]

There was a time the Hercules had good chances to win

[uncut crater]

I'm more impressed your missiles landed

[burnt crane]

at 5 server FPS no less

[burnt crane]

it probably would have had a better chance if it didn't try to run away lol

would have taken me a while to get it's shields down with laser repeaters

[spare cloud]

Even if they faced you, herc stands no chance against connie now

Oh, default loadout ewww

[burnt crane]

what

galdereens are good

[uncut crater]

meh

[spare cloud]

M7A have double the DPS

[uncut crater]

galdereens are easy to hit with but don't do much more than scratching the paint

[spare cloud]

Given the size of your ship, it's not weapons with higher RoF and projectile speed that's gonna help against actual fighter ships

But that's not very cargo&trading anymore, so if you wish to discuss it, ping me in #flight-combat-racing

[burnt crane]

if you can hit, yeah kek

[burnt crane]

i just sold all my RMC in one go

the trading gods are with me

[wraith ice]

someone send me the hull trading route again

[spare cloud]

Save it ffs

[wraith ice]

Never

jk just did

[spare cloud]

Banned

[wraith ice]

Please SHOW MERCY!

[burnt crane]

CaseOh

MODS

BAN THIS GUY

[uncut crater]

people who don't keep their own notes for games are weird

I have a whole Obsidian folder for SC

[burnt crane]

i have spreadsheets with payouts for when im out mining lol

[uncut crater]

I have an old one, but I haven't played enough for it to be useful in ages

Bugs and a general lack of fucks has prevented me from doing so 😛

[near swallow]

One thing I don't quite get, why isn't the Hull C diagram pinned? :b

[uncut crater]

because nobody uses the Hull C

[spare cloud]

That ⬆️
And because it's not entirely accurate, not very detailed either, and subject to change every patch

[uncut crater]

probably better to use uexcorp

or even better, don't use a hull c

[burnt crane]

can you even get one without real money? lol

[uncut crater]

I think so yeah

[burnt crane]

the Hull C is actually the perfect actual pirate trolling ship

[uncut crater]

it's 16.5M at Lorville

[burnt crane]

"oh no you got my cargo... would be a shame if i bought 1500 SCU of hydrogen "

[uncut crater]

Not that I would recommend paying even 20 bucks for it

you say that like they give a shit about your cargo

[burnt crane]

i said pirates

not murderhobos

[uncut crater]

pirates don't engage a Hull C because it only moves worthless low density shit

[burnt crane]

pirates are traders too

to a degree

[uncut crater]

nobody is pirating copper 😛

[burnt crane]

i shall be the worst copper merchant

what if i pirate using a hull-c? :p

[uncut crater]

I'm not sure they can dock anywhere to sell the stolen cargo lol

[near swallow]

Hmm, Hull C in game may be cheaper then C2.

[burnt crane]

it is

because you can't use it outside docking collars lmao

[uncut crater]

it's slightly cheaper yeah lol

[near swallow]

In theory you could, you'd just need to use other means to get the cargo to TDD or from a buying point to the Hull C.

[spare cloud]

You can land it in hangars with spindle retracted

[burnt crane]

and how am i gonna do my trading?

[spare cloud]

With 1/8th SCU boxes

[near swallow]

Not practical right now probably, but in theory you could have (for example) a Cat or C2 bring up cargo from a buying point, move it onto the Hull C, and then repeat until the Hull C is full. At the other end of the trip, use a Cat or C2 to ferry the cargo to TDD to sell.

[uncut crater]

lol

[near swallow]

In theory that sort of activity is what the MPUV Tractor is designed to facilitate. However I think it would only become practical if you were doing multi-system trips.

[uncut crater]

Don't get me wrong, that's right up my alley. I'm a logi stan. But I don't see that ever meaning anything in SC.

[spare cloud]

This is a realistic scenario with a ship like an Ironclad

Cat and C2 will take too many trips and waste of time

[near swallow]

Hmm, underestimated the Hull C's cargo capacity, yeah Ironclad would work better

[spare cloud]

While Ironclad carries a very nice ⅓ of Hull C cargo

[uncut crater]

My honest wish is for a game where the Hull C is not just useful, but important to move things around for various reasons.

I'd love for logistics to actually be a core part of the whole game

But my gut tells me that would just be too hard for most people

Having to plan for stuff, make sure you have all the stuff you need, actually source and move things to the right place. It takes time and effort. And it's not pewpew.

[burnt crane]

why i loved trading in elite dangerous so much lol

had to buy fuel for my carrier, load cargo for my carrier, get the carrier to the system and then sell it there

this game currently lacks this kind of planning

[uncut crater]

And any time they try to add depth and complexity we get the "time wasting mechanics" whine

Doesn't seem like they want depth and complexity anyway right now tbh

I mean look at MM lol

[near swallow]

Base building and crafting are things that CIG is planning to add

[uncut crater]

They took a bloody sledge hammer to the flight model

Everything they showed about base building made NMS look complicated lol

[burnt crane]

that base building might be how the Hull-series might get useful, once you actually do need those 100k iron lol

[near swallow]

They haven't really shown much about base builidng, as I understand it they only started working on it this year

[spare cloud]

You'll need CM for base building

As the name says it

[near swallow]

Building ships was one thing that was mentioned, that I am curious about

[spare cloud]

So a Pioneer will likely be working with a Reclaimer, and Galaxy with a Vulture

[uncut crater]

so... bases will be made out of spaceship mulch exclusively? 😂

[near swallow]

We don't know what would be needed to make anything

[uncut crater]

AFAIK both RMC and CM will eventually be refinable

and you get normal minerals back out

[near swallow]

Other then the vehicles needed

[spare cloud]

Yes we know. They did say last CitCon that it'll use CM

I will certainly not be able to find any info about this on phone, but I'll look for it tomorrow if I don't forget about it

[uncut crater]

half of the salvage stuff is still placeholder anyway

🤷‍♂️

[near swallow]

And they said the Reclaimer is supposed to have a "pocket" space ship called the Cutter. Until something is in game, we won't know how anything will work.

[uncut crater]

and drones too

don't forget the drones

[spare cloud]

We know base building been in the hard work, it's actually tangible information.

[near swallow]

And the turrets are supposed to be able to be equipped with missiles, tractor beams, or search lights

[uncut crater]

There's a differentiation between turrets and utility mounts

[near swallow]

"The Reclaimer’s turrets are multi-use hardpoints which can be mounted with defensive guns, missile batteries, additional tractor beams, floodlights, scanners or other salvage-specific options. "

[uncut crater]

TIL

but I wouldn't take the guns off

let's not forget that this is star citizen

[near swallow]

I'm not sure they actually implimented the turrets that way, that's just what was in the Reclaimer's presentation.

[uncut crater]

I'm actually surprised the cutter snub is still planned

[near swallow]

I have no idea if it is now

Or where it would go

[uncut crater]

it still was last year

[near swallow]

Oh

[uncut crater]

you know, in the magical "in the future" handwavium land

but they said that yes it's still planned

[near swallow]

I'm not sure I knew about the cutter snub ship, I was looking for something talking about the mechanical claw it was supposed to have. 🙂

[uncut crater]

It's supposed to have a large-ish cutter snub to chop up larger wrecks, two salvage drones to retrieve valuable stuff like modules etc, and the claw was supposed to pull chunk into the internal grinding bay.

I can't remember if the current claw implementation is placeholder or not

I vaguely remember Thorsten mumbling about maelstrom

[near swallow]

https://starcitizen.tools/File:Reclaimer_concept_sketch_03.jpg#/media/File:Reclaimer_concept_sketch_03.jpg

There was supposed to be a cockpit underneath the claw arm.
https://starcitizen.tools/File:Reclaimer_concept_sketch_04.jpg#/media/File:Reclaimer_concept_sketch_04.jpg

I'm guessing they ditched the claw cockpit because they couldn't work out a way to get from the cockpit into the ship proper.

[stiff vine]

Man that's beautiful. I'm guessing cutter might get scrapped in lieu of drones.

[uncut crater]

Last we heard (last year) the cutter is still planned. So are drones.

[near swallow]

Both were mentioned in the presentation.

[uncut crater]

Drones are meant for collecting valuables (modules, etc) and the cutter is meant to chop up big wrecks for the claw to pull into the inner grinding bay.

With the new straw-claw, I don't know if that last bit is still planned. But the cutter sub is, so I suppose it would.

[near swallow]

Cutter was actually supposed to support a "search and recovery" type mission

Exploring wreckage and using Cutter to provide supplies and transport artifacts back to the main ship

Drones were meant to seek out valuable items "in the distant depths"

[uncut crater]

Very in-depth. I'd kill for that level of gameplay.

[near swallow]

So maybe Drones are meant for hunting down derelicts and/or panels and such?

[uncut crater]

Give me that super deep shit. Let me actually specialize as a player.

When everything is easy and shallow everyone does everything and it's boring

[near swallow]

The fact that a lot of the gameplay so far is shallow keeps me from recommending it to a friend, because he likes stuff with lots of depth.

[uncut crater]

I actually wanted to specialize in piloting large ships at one point. MM niped that in the bud real hard lol

[stiff vine]

Drones are easy cause you can just shove a pocket bay anywhere on the ship without disrupting its physicalized design but where do yall think theyll attach the cutter? It's gonna need direct access. Yall think the rear right under the cargo level?

[uncut crater]

Some say the big rail under the ass

Although I vaguely remember that opening

maybe both

[potent plaza]

do TDD prices change at all or just available quantity ?

[near swallow]

Drone bay is already in the game, and the access at the rear is called the salvage lift and is openable from cockpit

[uncut crater]

they vary a tiny bit

unloading the reclaimer in 3.23.2 will be all kinds of fun

[near swallow]

You can actually enter the ship from the top at the drone bay, though I don't know if it needs to be opened or not. (It doesn't show as open.)

[stiff vine]

Is that the same area as the remote turret consoles?

[near swallow]

Drone bay isn't the same as the area just behind the cockpit

[stiff vine]

I'm always b-lining it to the cockpit, I need to slow down and explore it for once

[near swallow]

Drone area has 2 drone operator seats on the outside and a room you can enter where presumably the drones would be stored and which seems to have a roof that is supposed to open.

[stiff vine]

Ah OK thanks. I definitely missed that room

[near swallow]

https://scfocus.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/reclaimer-drone-operator-seats.jpg

That's an old image, and I saw another image where the overhead doors were actually open, however I don't recall them looking open in 3.22, when I actually entered the ship that way.

[uncut crater]

Reclaimer is a gorgeous ship. It's not as detailed as some of the newer ones, but it's honestly incredible.

[stiff vine]

Oh that main hall past the kitchen. Yeah I haven't paid a lot of attention passing through there

Yeah, I love the bulky and cumbersome ships

[uncut crater]

Kinda wish we could actually live on our ships for extended periods of time as part of a crew.

[near swallow]

That's intended to be possible

[uncut crater]

Off in in the ass end of nowhere scraping some ancient wrecks, come back 2 weeks later

you know "multi year missions" and whatever, but for gameplay purposes, a couple weeks is plenty lol

[near swallow]

Eventually they want full character persistence. As in, you log back in wherever you were when you logged out. But there are a lot of questions to be answered before they can do that.

[uncut crater]

Cleaning up some super ancient Pegasus wreck or some huge fleet battle debris field. Just biting off large chunks and reprocessing it. Make it take forever to clean up, if ever.

I'm actually not a fan of them making beds optional for logging out, but whatever.

I'm always more inclined than average towards rough survival mechanics

[near swallow]

Supposedly eventually bedlogging would provide some sort of "well rested" type buff.

[uncut crater]

meh

if they make it optional, most people won't give a shit and we'll all just run past beds and food and everything else

but that seems to be pretty much the intent, so whatever

at that point it's all just pointless RP flair

[stiff vine]

I'm gonna rp an obnoxious coffee snob who didn't get their full 8 hours if that's the case

Hoping that blurb they touched on group logging and logging in general is hinting toward a persistent feature

[uncut crater]

sounds like it

you'll just log back in where you were standing

no beds or anything else necessary

[stiff vine]

It's kinda there already with client crashes and combat logging. I wonder what's keeping it from just being a global feature.

[uncut crater]

shrug

again, I'm not impressed with them making beds optional 😛

[potent plaza]

so i had a work order, told it to laod into my C2 and nothing is there. what am i missing now with .23 cargo changes

[uncut crater]

there are no cargo changes yet

cargo is just buggy asf right now

[potent plaza]

ok so what happens with my cargo then

is it jsut stuck in limbo. do i gotta wait longer before pulling the craft out or what

[uncut crater]

the cargo might be there and just invisible

take it to a trade kiosk

[potent plaza]

heres hoping

[uncut crater]

good luck

but everything is kinda fucky atm

[burnt crane]

im falling asleep on the terminal trying to sell RMC

i just need to sell this batch to just leave it behind me and switch to Beryl trading with a cat

[coarse ember]

make a meal or take a bathroom break within 10 min and game shouldnt kick you out while you wait. can extend that 10 min too by just tapping wasd, usually i gotta wait 15 min

[uncut crater]

used to be sitting down somewhere would extend your afk timer

not anymore I think

[coarse ember]

not entirely sure but i just prefer to tap a key every few minutes

[uncut crater]

I wouldn't recommend automating that. I'm sure that's against the EULA. Wink wink.

[coarse ember]

i would imagine its against eula, not exactly worth having a program press w every 6 minutes i'd image though unless for some reason you had to go wash dishes or go for groceries and really didnt want to close the game though

[stiff vine]

You can always set a watch under the mouse, or maybe tape paper to it and let it flutter in a fan. I dunno if they're running any kinda macro/pattern detecting to be honest but they've allowed GG and VA to use it to a point, only no looping

[uncut crater]

get one of those pecking bird things and make it tap w every few seconds 😂

[coarse ember]

lol

[stiff vine]

😆 Question is what's gonna happen for bigger systems like Pyro when you're qting on a class 3 drive when Stanton already takes about 10 minutes unless you upgrade.

[uncut crater]

They've already dramatically reduced the size of Pyro for absolutely no other reason than people not getting bored in QT

[stiff vine]

Oh gotcha

[uncut crater]

Just another cop-out from CIG

And no I'm not saying you should youtube for 30 minutes in QT, I'm saying long range QT shouldn't be something you do 27 times per play session.

Unless that specifically is your chosen game path

[stiff vine]

I do appreciate the occasional QT break but 15 to 30 minutes a pop would be pretty exhausting

[uncut crater]

I usually advocate for more localized play and content density rather than just making travel faster

Not that my opinion matters jack

[stiff vine]

Yeah, I agree

[uncut crater]

I think 99% of your QT should be like 10 seconds and within the same planetary system, with occasional jumps to other planets or systems for specific things like buying some rare shit or whatever.

[stiff vine]

I think we need more "sight seeing" cargo routes though. Not to the point of boredom but something that allows you to location hop and still make a decent profit

[coarse ember]

i thought maybe they'd add a minor speed buff to QDs and consider that good enough lol but nice to see they're making the effort to change more than numbers

[uncut crater]

The ancient plan was for QT to become about 10x slower, but for more local play and content density. The drastic reduction in size to Pyro with the only given justification being "faster travel times" tells me they've abandoned that plan.

The idea back then was that you'd basically pick a region to "live" based on what amenities and missions it offers in relation to your play style. And you could maybe spend an hour going somewhere else once in a while to do something specific. I was always a big fan of this.

[coarse ember]

honestly i wouldnt mind this, even if QT still takes a fat minute to get around pryo it'd make a nice moment to go around the ship for maintenance and repairs and stocks if you're doing fps stuff and need to kep a fair bit of ammo

[uncut crater]

Yeah that's the other side of that argument. I guess we always assumed we'd get stuff to do during QT that wasn't just staring at the animation.

[stiff vine]

Yeah, that's a good idea, keeps you engaged

[uncut crater]

Do some inventory management, see if you need to buy something, are we low on ammo or food, and do whatever engineering maintenance thingy they would have us do and that could be done online in QT. I'd be down for that.

And, again, only once in a while during the long QT trip to some other region.

[stiff vine]

As long as minor engineering issues don't interfere with QT that's probly gonna be a viable option anyway. Yeet tf out then address repairs and such enroute

[uncut crater]

At this point, I highly doubt SC will ever be that deep 😛

[stiff vine]

Probly not

[uncut crater]

They've been walking back everything relating to this kind of gameplay for a while now

[burnt crane]

god why the hells is the god damn demand not refreshing.

i was refreshing the terminal for 20 minutes by now

are people using scipts or something? lol

[stiff vine]

Wish they'd walk back PES and this "cup in the woods" mentality a bit. Be nice to not show up for a beryl drop off and have to compete for parking in a junkyard

[uncut crater]

trade stocks are shared between all the servers

[stiff vine]

Another reason we need more spots for more commodities. I'm not saying everywhere but give us options. I'm not even concerned with instant fortune, i just want a reason to get out there and do it without waiting for a refresh

[uncut crater]

a lot of the trade caps just need to be raised like 100x tbh

[stiff vine]

Yeah, and the tech is already there for insta-pirate if they feel like the issue is not enough challenge. Like that crap ED does with passengers.

[coarse ember]

yeah, iirc a18 RMC is only like 5,000scu then theres no demand until it drops below that

[uncut crater]

selling RMC like this was a mistake from the beginning in the current economic situation

it encroaches too much on another also anemic gameplay loop

to say nothing of the ridiculous 40% profit margin

CIG just can't help it, can they

[stiff vine]

Yep, I was surprises to see it for sale. The duping just poured salt in the wound

[coarse ember]

did the math and yeah 8 rmc trips in a full c2 (696scu cargo) would fill that demand and still have 500 something left on cargo that cant be sold until theres demand

[stiff vine]

RMC needs to go and the Hull C (when it's working) needs a trash commodity only it can benefit from, that a C2 would make pennies trying to sell.

[uncut crater]

considering the stock is global you can assume there's always like 50 C2 on the way lol

tbh even when the Hull C works, a C2 doing Gold still makes more money. Or did, last time I bothered doing the math for that.

So not only is the Hull C a fucking hassle to operate with the whole docking undocking cargo loading circus, it also makes far less money

[stiff vine]

I ran a few numbers, anything with a 40 to 60 scu profit would generate like 150 to 200k per run for the Hull C while the C2 would make like 20k. Amd that's not including the buy in. I feel the Hull C deserves it cause it's gonna be hand loaded and it's already a fat target.

[coarse ember]

i imagine next time they touch economy they'll knock rmc down like they did with CMAT but of course its CIG so only the fly in their office truly knows

[uncut crater]

the economy team has been making absolute bank lol

[burnt crane]

FINALLY

i sold it

[uncut crater]

not only was their first public change to make core and leg armor more expensive, of all things

the next thing they did was make the entire money system in SC a fucking pain in the arse

10/10 would economy again

[burnt crane]

i mean armour prices are not really a factor in this game, like come on lol

[stiff vine]

Yeah, I'm hoping dynamic missions and quantum economy are the saving grace we all want it to be.

[coarse ember]

only tok 45 minutes 😄

[uncut crater]

yeah, it was meaningless lol

[burnt crane]

anything below 500k is not a price

[uncut crater]

quantum economy.. yeah...

anyone know if Tony is still alive?

[stiff vine]

I don't even think theyve talked about it in the last year or so. They sorta touched on missions

[uncut crater]

I think it's been like 3 years since that legendary Tony Z video

[burnt crane]

quantum economy

wtf does that even mean

[uncut crater]

see it's been so long the newbies don't even know wtf it is

Quantum is an in-depth background simulation of... everything

the "economy" in this case is much more than just money

it would simulate NPCs on an individual level, track stocks, demand and supply of every market node, react to dynamic events like combat or shit players do, and "adjust" the game on the fly to "react" to it in real time

it would control what you buy, for how much, who you sell it to, how many pirates you find on the way, and even what players you encounter on the way based on some shady shit they haven't talked much about

in essence, Quantum is the game

and... it's been shelved 😛

[burnt crane]

and im still making more money sitting at a terminal waiting for the stock to refresh

[stiff vine]

Which I get is gonna be dependent on multiple systems and more gameloops, but it would be nice if they got something off the ground for Stanton/Pyro and just built it from there

[uncut crater]

mainly because Quantum needs stuff to "hook" into and data to react to and the current version of SC doesn't do any of that, so it's been shelved until the game is further along

[burnt crane]

that's still about 625k/h

[uncut crater]

technically Quantum is deployed

it controls QT and H2 fuel prices 😛

within like a 3% wiggle margin

so it exists, it's real, and it does jack shit right now

[burnt crane]

i dont get why qt fuel is less expensive then fucking hydrogen

[uncut crater]

fuel prices make fuck all sense

don't bother

[stiff vine]

Yeah but not to be nitpicky, truck sim has the same system

[uncut crater]

yeah and so does ED

maybe go watch Tony's video

it's legit good

he does a way better job at explaining it than I ever could hope to

all I can say is that if they pull it off, it'll be seriously impressive

[stiff vine]

ED's is down pat. I hate to compare games but that's what we need.

[burnt crane]

everybody is comparing SC and ED

[uncut crater]

and they always will

[burnt crane]

because they are the only real space games

at least to that extend

[uncut crater]

in terms of flight, combat, and sound design, ED is head and shoulders above SC

and after MM, it's head, shoulders, torso, pelvis, and legs above

I'll cede the feet because hey at least it lets you fly

[burnt crane]

yeah but have you been inside a really damaged hammerhead once?

that thing looks really fucking cool

[uncut crater]

sure

sure does

all I'm saying is that flying doesn't feel fun any more

and the enforced speed envelope based on where your nose is pointing just does my fucking head in, sorry

here, try this: be in space. decouple. boost forward. keep boosting and release all throttle input. observe you'll drop a little speed. turn around. you'll drop a shit ton of speed just because now you're moving "backwards".

[burnt crane]

btw, does the demand restock globally on all servers at the same time?

[uncut crater]

yes

[burnt crane]

well

then i just missed the restock lol

[uncut crater]

yeah that happens

welcome to trading the current hot commodity

[burnt crane]

it's at 57 actually

so i got 2 minutes

i sold at 42

15 minutes and it should be 57

didnt notice i only sold half lol

seems like it's more like 40 - 55 - 10 - 25 etc.

[uncut crater]

I honestly have no idea if it's 10, 15 or 20 minutes lol

[burnt crane]

reddit says 10 - 15 minutes

zorgh says 15 minutes

so i'll say 15 minutes

this is really good to know tho

makes it easier to hit the right timing

but as soon this is done, i'll buy a cat and trade beryl lol

probably gonna make more money that way

and a lot less stress since i dont need to get it from hot areas on hurston where every damn idiot is waiting at Rappel or picker's field

unless you are on an asian server where nobody is on atm

[uncut crater]

I quite enjoyed my time flying a Cat

It's an enjoyable brick to learn to fly

[burnt crane]

i could also do a little more RMC trading and get a C2

got 18mil rn

[uncut crater]

I still have like 45k

I made 400k then lost most of it doing overdrive and dying to bugs

yeah I have barely even played 😂

[burnt crane]

i mean i can just watch some more Factorio while i wait for the restock lol

[uncut crater]

I should really go finish that Pyanodons playthrough

[burnt crane]

me and my buddy started space exploration lmao

[uncut crater]

I've beaten space ex 4 times

[burnt crane]

180h deep and we just really started colonising planets

[uncut crater]

come august I'm just going to disappear for like a year while I redo all my blueprints and nerd the fuck out about 2.0

[burnt crane]

space exploration was my introduction into factorio lmao