industrial-professions

[scarlet rover]

that sounds amazing compared to old 30k

[fallow oxide]

I think I’ve gotten 2 30k’s since the start of 3.23, and both times the recovery worked

[scarlet rover]

a "30k" like those new ones where the game just pauses? or the actual 30k where you were booted to main menu?

[fallow oxide]

Booted

If you don’t claim your ship after a 30k (wait 10-15 mins), then you can call it in and your stuff will be fine

If you claim your ship immediately then you lose everything

[spark crest]

i only just started the game so don't take my word on it but i believe the mustang alpha is a better fighter so if you like bounty hunting that may be better fit, on other side with sale the aurora is 5 bucks cheaper

[spare cloud]

But alpha is not on a discount in a very interesting package

They won't be able to switch to a Mustang Alpha in future because of it an Aurora MR being the same value, but they'll always be able to upgrade to something like the Titan

[spark crest]

Ohh yeah didn't even think of that

[tropic mantle]

how does taurus tractor beam turret work? i'm trying to target boxes size 32 and 8 in my open cargo bay, can't target them. i'm outside combat restricted area, ship is in combat mode, out of ideas

Tried reclaiming ship, do i need to melt it and re-buy it or what

[rose forge]

dude cargo doesent even work anymore, it just disappears or the kiosk bug out, or hell some ships don't even have their grids working.

[tropic mantle]

oof, still, wanted to use taurus for bounty looting, i'll try melting/rebuying and see if that works

[near swallow]

Cargo containers on a cargo grid can vanish when a ship is stored. I try not to store my ships while they have cargo on the grid, for commodity trading I'll sell the cargo off before storing the ship. Hopefully this will get fixed soon after ILW.

[delicate girder]

Lost nearly 8 million of RMC, in one game bug the other night. Seems to be a bug where if you don't store your ship and sell some of the cargo then try to store the ship with the remainder of the cargo, there's a good chance you loose all of the remainder of the cargo. That's what happened to me anyway.

[tropic mantle]

i lost all my cargo earlier becuase i equipped a paint on the ship lol

[vestal ravine]

There's a cargo duplication bug active in the game world. Be aware of the alternative remedies for this.

[near swallow]

Think the cargo dup bug fix is supposed to come in 3.23.1a, and 3.23.2 will totally change things up with freight elevators and stuff.

[orchid ice]

anyone know how much auec is recommended to start cargo?

tryna get into it but kinda brand new

[fallen crater]

all my cargo just decided to disappear

gotta love loosing 100k in cargo

just because

[crimson grotto]

Is the Hull-C fully working now?

[charred sable]

is there a timer for the commodities ? refreshes

[vestal ravine]

It's the cargo dupe glitch. I can cover your losses if you want.

[vestal ravine]

Generally 10 minutes or relog.

[fallen crater]

please! ;3;

i'm new and i'm broke

i would be very grateful

[charred sable]

thanks

[vestal ravine]

Want to take this dm mode? I can't play until the morning time.

[fallen crater]

ah sure!

[fathom mortar]

Is SC Trade Tool still the best? I've seen multiple ones being used lately.

[near swallow]

UEXCorp should be good too if you can figure out the interface, they've teamed up with SC Trade Tools

[hazy ice]

What trading would be best with a Corsair?

[lost bluff]

I heard that 3.23.2 is the cargo/hangar update???

[lime vessel]

Pirate trading

[lost bluff]

isnt corsair bad for pvp though?

[lime vessel]

Yes but i meant only as cargo

Pirates are rarely alone

It was a Drake joke nvm 😅

[lost bluff]

aside from the free flight ones this update lol so many pirate noobs

[lime vessel]

To answer your question the more cargo you get the more profit you can do.

[hazy ice]

But trading what and where?

[lime vessel]

RMC for example from Rappel to Lorville

Maybe an expert in cargo trading can give you more places, you can also check some trading sites for routes.

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[hazy ice]

Well I did try that but almost all the stuff it told me to trade was either sold out or the station had to much of it

[vital juniper]

What are the big commodities this patch?

[lime vessel]

Look on the website for Gold or other minerals

You can put some filters

[vital juniper]

What about UEX?

[lime vessel]

Can you give us the link too?

[vital juniper]

https://uexcorp.space/

[fading karma]

Hello. New one here. I am not sure if I am on correct channel but just wanted to ask. Are nowdays "simple" box missions that hard as I see on various YT channels? Not to mention bugged? Is that part of game better. As i am usually more casual player I wondered what is in game what could be considered "casual" mission with minimal problems involved nowdays? I am not getting into the game if I won't have fun time that is why I am asking. At least for start

[raven path]

Scrap, mining, and the trading are probably the casual non-combat missions available

Box missions have historically been buggy, even as recent as 3.22. Haven't tried one in 3.23.

[fading karma]

Mining? That is one that I go in caves and handmine arroun at start? I guess I cant scrap as newbie or trade.

I already in past requested refound already so that is why I am carefull in extreme nowdays so if simple stuff don't work, well I got other games to play honestly. Boxes look like chill stuff to do at start so i am surprised that they just don't cat to fix stuff that usualy every newbie do at start. On my last try I got titan and few days later I asked for refound as none of damn simple box missions worked and well hand mining is not fun honestly with measly profit. (ok maybe is nowdays a bit better).

[vital glen]

anybody know where to buy gold?

or do i have to mine that?

[tight steppe]

So im at jumptown and only one here, how can it go out of stock? do the whole planet share the "supply"?

[spare cloud]

Supply stocks are shared across all servers of a same region

[spare cloud]

Use !tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[wide talon]

do I have to go out of the trading terminal to see when the "tick" hits or does it update automatically?

[spare cloud]

Doesn't update automatically

You either have to exit it, or change the selling/buying location

[tight steppe]

Ah, damn ok thx

[tight steppe]

So on sc tools it said i could sell slam, but couldnt see it on glen dale station

[wide talon]

Parked my C2, Retrieved it -> No Cargo there anymore
7.8M lost.

[spare cloud]

What does the terminal says

Have you tried selling anyway ?

[wide talon]

Im going to the Trading Terminal now, the boxes inside of the ship were gone

praying that its just a visual bug

phew, just a visual bug - i love my life

sold all my cargo

[spare cloud]

Now you can throw your ship away cause it's gonna tell you it's full when you try to buy

[wide talon]

oh-

psssst, dont jinx it

it will work, trust the process! 😔

[wide talon]

Welp you were right. Cant use it anymore.

[spare cloud]

I know

[restive pendant]

is uex right in saying rmc is now 22k to buy?

[normal flax]

sounds about right

a full C2 of RMC is $7.6M

[spare cloud]

No, that's only in certain locations

[restive pendant]

i mean it's all the main ones the dupers have been using accoirding to uex, which would be grand minus me not being able to steal it from them anymore lol

[spare cloud]

Don't know where you're seeing that cause I only see the correct 11k buy price and 14k sell price

Think I found it

You only care about the first four

[wide talon]

and dunboro+makers point is bugged, as far as I heard

so only 2 points to buy

[spare cloud]

Yeah

[wide talon]

Can ores like Hadanite or Aphorite be bought and sold (trading)?

[spare cloud]

Nope

[near swallow]

Those are gems not ores BTW.

[wide talon]

Oh ty

[tall stratus]

@spare cloud where is terminal for rappel?

Went there and I couldn't find it

[spare cloud]

Building closest to the center of the crater

[tall stratus]

Ill look for when I come back, I bed logged close to rappel

[spare cloud]

May not be exactly that, but it's a building at the extremity of the settlement

Settlement has more of an elongated shape, so they're only two extremities

Hold on imma take a pic on the wiki if there's any

[[Rappel]]

[alpine orbit]

https://starcitizen.tools/Rappel

[spare cloud]

Oh big brain

{{Rappel}}

[alpine orbit]

https://starcitizen.tools/Rappel

Star Citizen Wiki

Rappel

Rappel is a derelict settlement built on Hurston in the Stanton system.

Location

Stanton system  —  On Hurston

Type

Landmark

Classification

Settlement

Habitability

Habitable

Affiliation

• Dusters

[spare cloud]

Lol the picture is so small

It's the building on the left of that pic

[tall stratus]

I need a red circle

Lol

[inner girder]

Anyone found a good route to make money

One that isn't being duped

[vestal ravine]

I would just take trade goods to New Babbage to sell.

[quartz ledge]

What's more up to date Uexcorp or SC Trade Tool?

[vestal ravine]

They have joined forces. So either or...

[quartz ledge]

How often terminals refresh? 10 mins?

[high hatch]

How do you buy larger quantities of slam? I was trying to buy at private property earlier, but it kept only having 5SCU .. Do I just check out other places?

[solemn adder]

wAnting to get into hauling but can't find anything with decent return am I looking in wrong places?

[spare cloud]

Drugs are only meant for low volume, max you get is 20 SCU for Category A and B drugs, 80 SCUs for Category C drugs

Roughly

[high hatch]

I see, for the 20SCU do you just check the different places?

[spare cloud]

I would just check the one place I go to buy, get everything I can and go sell

[high hatch]

Yeah just wasn't much when I was there at least

[opal yoke]

So Uexcorp and SCtrade aint no help about now, anyone know a good place to sell large amounts of meds?

[spare cloud]

Uexcorp and tradetools are helpful, they do tell you there is not a place that buys meds in large amounts

Don't fill a Hull C with those or wait hours to sell it all

[opal yoke]

Yeah I made that msitake when it told me to buy a lot.

[high hatch]

What's the refresh time on commodity stocks at shops?

[spare cloud]

Not again

[high hatch]

If there is a set one anyways. Feel like every plaec I go is low stock 😄

[spare cloud]

I've said it so many times over the last few days but not actually in this channel

[high hatch]

To me? Or in general?

[spare cloud]

In general.

Getting tired lol

Trading terminals refresh every 5 minutes.
It takes multiple refresh for a full restock, depending on location and commodities

[high hatch]

I see, thanks

[restive pendant]

there is a search function, but sometimes it's anightmare to look thru

[spare cloud]

Discord ruined phone a bit

[solar creek]

What's the refresh time on commodity stocks at shops?

[olive gull]

about 15 mins

[proud pumice]

I'm sorry man, but I had a laugh at your expense when it was asked again 4 posts after you answered it 😂

[solar creek]

I was trolling when I asked. 😛

[proud pumice]

Lol, ok, fair enough. It was still funny tho

[leaden monolith]

Anyone have this error? Is there a workaround or is it lost cargo?

[solid sky]

Dont buy the whole lot

Use the scroll option and go one under

[tall vigil]

Any other good trade runs other than RNC at Hurston?

[graceful kiln]

nothing with near as much profit per trip. Next best probably Beryl, though it's not sold at Hurston

[tall vigil]

What's the route?

[graceful kiln]

there's several options to buy and sell, depends how far you want to go. Check here https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Beryl

[tall vigil]

I'm seeing two options for Hurston

[graceful kiln]

Ita, not Hurston itself, but yeah fair

[tall vigil]

I feel like Ita to Lorville is a pretty short route

You make about 25% less than RNC, but the route is way shorter

[graceful kiln]

25% less? How do you figure that math lol

[tall vigil]

Your only making about 15% margin vs RNC's 20%

[leaden monolith]

I was trying to sell cargo. I tried selling different amounts but no luck. Thanks for the reply

[graceful kiln]

yes, but look at the actual values

~2500/scu for RMC, ~400/scu for Beryl

like, a full hold of RMC in a C2 will get you around 1.8mil in profit. Best per-trip route of Beryl is like 450k if you're lucky

[tall vigil]

I missed that

[graceful kiln]

yeah

RMC's a lot riskier though, and right now you can't sell it easily as you've found I'm sure

[neat light]

Can you buy cargo with someone on your ship?

[scarlet rover]

Anyone know if the Tali modules already swappable in game?

[warm totem]

not that I know of, if you land and cannot buy someone might be aboard...

you can also check comms when in the pilot seat it will tell you if anyone else is aboard

[neat light]

What is the range of a ship scanner to detect cargo onboard a ship?

[graceful kiln]

same range as your ability to detect them

[fathom mortar]

I know refresh times has been asked a couple times in the last 12 hours, but I had a question about how that stock is shared between the server. Is it just a free for all on who can click the stuff fastest out of every planet/purchase point in the entire server?

[limpid sluice]

i had this issue when trying to sell mixed cargo, never found a proper work around cause i ended up getting soft killed by NPC ships and we transfered cargo to another (bigger) ship. I suspect (but cant yet confirm) its because the contents were disorganized and it didnt like selling stuff that was supporting other containers. In your case, the scrap might be under the hephestanite. Are you selling with your ship stored at a station? if not, try that?

feel like cargo is in a weird spot right now, especially with all the glitchyness and duping issues

[graceful kiln]

it's waiting on the refactor is why

[leaden monolith]

I had a feeling it might have been a mixed cargo issue. I've tried selling at different loactions without any luck. I went out into space to off load the cargo and sort it but the cargo is invisible. I guess it's a write off. Thanks for the reply.
Have to agree about the weird spot cargo is in. When I think about it this might be the first time I've had mixed cargo. Seems like an old bug has come back.

[graceful kiln]

expect the cargo profession to be... completely fucked for a while as they iron it all out

[civic epoch]

This needs to be an automated bot response.

[nimble ledge]

Is duplication glitch fixed? I wanna do cargo trading finally XD

[somber bay]

nurp

[leaden reef]

does anyone know the margin for rmc trading?

[leaden reef]

nvm found it

[nimble ledge]

So if I understand it now, when I finish bounty I can find cargo in cargo hold in destroyed ships? And I cut entrace by multitool

[leaden reef]

no, you can't cut with multitool at the moment

soft death ships and you can just press f to open it up normally

in the future there may be hacking or deformation involved

[nimble ledge]

So I can just go inside dead bounties and steal their cargo for few cash bonus?

[flint thistle]

!fit

[spare cloud]

Swappable yes, not buyable. If you pledged them, you can do it now

[spare cloud]

Fr

[spare cloud]

Please use #🤖┃bot_commands for yourself

[flint thistle]

Okay thx

[vestal ravine]

Your cargo grid is glitched by the dupe going around. To clear the grid claim the ship.

[leaden monolith]

Thanks. I'm about to log in and will give it one last chance before claiming it. I won't be mixing cargo again.

[vestal ravine]

Traders and such mix cargo types all the time it's this bug that is messing things up.

[leaden monolith]

I was getting back into the mixing cargo again after they fixed this bug a patch or two ago. For now though I'll stick to one type of cargo until this bug is fixed.

[scarlet rover]

Where does one swap them? Vehicle loadout screen?

[leaden monolith]

The icing on the cake for my messed up cargo grid saga is when I logged in this morning my ship is listed as destroyed. I guess Orison ship storage doesn't like mixed cargo as much as the TDD.

[wide talon]

Is the cargo exploit finally fixed?

[simple bluff]

how well is the hull c working rn

[short nebula]

which master mode turns on the tractor beam turret on my ship?

[swift briar]

Guys, I bought 8M RMC cargo and head to Area18, but there's no cargo when I try to sell it D:

Not doing the dupe thing btw

It just disappeared

Anyone knows what happened ?

[visual night]

Did you Store at a terminal? There have been reports of cargo disappearing and not being sellable (not just invisible cargo on retrieve, which can also happen)

[swift briar]

I believe ship auto-store in Area18 sincer TDD is too far away from spaceport

So yeah, I believe it stored it

[visual night]

I've personally always let it autostore, and haven't lost cargo that way yet.

Manually Storing at a terminal seems to carry some chance of it, potentially autostore has some chance too

[simple bluff]

ive only had issues with manual store, ive never had an issue with auto

[swift briar]

So my 8M are fucked ?

[visual night]

If it shows in the drop down, you can wait a few minutes at the TDD

[simple bluff]

i sold 1.5 mil of quant there this morning while my c2 got autostored

[visual night]

If it doesn't ever show up after waiting a few minutes at TDD. The last-ditch effort is to retrieve the ship, store it, go back to TDD.

[swift briar]

Ok I'll try o7

Thanks for the help

[wide talon]

Does the Ship get autostored at every main city when going to tdd?

[swift briar]

Nah, it's only at Area18 since TDD is very far from ships

[tall stratus]

So what's the best place to sell rmco?

Non duping of course

[jovial aurora]

Area18 because they got 50.000scu of stock every refresh loreville is completely infested because that’s where people dupe there cargo

[olive gull]

mmmm.... the other day the were several C2s dumped around the hangars for A18, ad some assholes shooting at anyone approaching

i think, it would be 'safer' to go sell at Microtec

[jovial aurora]

That has nothing to do with dupers all the people that dumb there ship after selling are legit cargo haulers

Because your ship will be unusable after pulling it out of storage after the sale only reclaiming will fix it

Some people are just stupid C2 is getting a badname rn and us haulers have to be cautious at all times

[spare cloud]

Yes

[leaden monolith]

Is it an issue with the C2? I have in the past couple of days done a couple of back to back runs in my Cat. The only issue I had was when I mixed cargo and the TDD couldn't/wouldn't retrieve it to sell it.

[gleaming aspen]

Anyone got tips for kiosks not working for Overdrive supply?

[graceful kiln]

try the other one on the station

every time I did the mission, 2 would go to one in cargo, then the other to Admin

or vice versa

[gleaming aspen]

yeah its not that, the kiosk wont open.

[graceful kiln]

have you tried the other one?

[gleaming aspen]

yes. i know theres two

[graceful kiln]

sounds like a bugged server then, gotta try again, after a server hop

[gleaming aspen]

yeah, just on 5th server/try now. i think they might all be bugged.

[graceful kiln]

it can work

just be patient

[south forge]

are there even any trade routes besides RMC that are a good time/credit investment ? I checked UEXCROP but i was wondering if there are any that are worthwhile. PM if you are willing to share some insight.

[versed plinth]

all right folks, i salvaged and mined and earned 4.2 mil. What's hot these days for selling with an M2

[versed plinth]

Beryl, gold, hephaestanite used to be good last patch

[near swallow]

Beryl's still good and relatively safe compared to RMC.

Payout is a lot lower, but so is the investment.

The actual profit margin is not much worse then RMC though.

[elder summit]

Say someone was looking to run something less legal. Where would someone potentially obtain that

The sketchy Outposts I assume

[near swallow]

Drugs are the only such commoidities I know of like that which you can buy, and they're only available in relatively small quantities. Lore wise, I suspect the RMC sources we have may be a bit sketchy, but not enough to be illegal. ERTs and Risky Salvage missions may be other sources of illegal goods that may sell for a lot.

And by illegal I mean the goods themselves are illegal, not that the cargo is flagged as stolen.

[elder summit]

Gotcha, thank you!

[olive gull]

if a cop tries to scan you while carriying that, QT the fack out of there!

[elder summit]

Not yet commodity trading but once I build some more capital

[near swallow]

I don't generally have to worry about that, though there have been occasions I've found some abandoned cargo to sell. But most of that was pre-ERT nerf.

[olive gull]

Cops are opportunistic, if you stay for too long on a Nav point over a planet, a cop will spawn and scan you, sometimes they show up after i had landed on station and scan me thru the closed hangars !

[near swallow]

Most of the time being scanned is just a minor inconvenience for me. (Slightly more so with the current bugs.)

[olive gull]

the inconvenience is when you are afk or not paying attention to notifications, and the darn cop fits a CS 2 up in your ass for not stopping your ship.

[stiff vine]

Been running the station to station chart as an excuse to take my Cat out and been having a lotta fun. Money's coming in slow and I gotta Refuel a bunch, but it's nice to jump between different places

[dreamy scaffold]

any other site to check cargo quantity like sc trade tools?

[graceful kiln]

I wouldn't rely on any of them for actual quantities, only the max potential, which sc trade tools is getting more accurate at now in 3.23

[lost bluff]

does hull E sell out pretty much instantly?

[wispy apex]

I'm new to cargo hauling, I know about sc trade tools. When I sell cargo, is there a way to know beforehand if it's full and they won't buy my stuff? Am I currently forced to go from station to station to check this or is this available to see somewhere in-game without going to the station physically?

[proud pumice]

Pretty much it's fine out once you get there. We don't have the tools necessary to do things like the trade log/computations that they do for other games like ED

[novel hatch]

ive only just started messing around with cargo and im a little confused about one thing, idk if its a bug or what

i bought some RCM and took it to A18, when I went to sell, it said no demand, but I could still sell it.

was it bugging out and is not supposed to sell, or would it sell for more if it was in demand

[near swallow]

It might have said no demand but it was likely also in the "in demand" category. It's a weird thing I don't pretend to understand.

[novel hatch]

ah okay ty

[wide adder]

You either gotta be patient or try another place.

[north oyster]

It's messed up (almost all trade) because of the duping bug. Cargo grids have an issue and can be exploited. That's why you see so many C2s camped around landing zones

[wide adder]

It's funny that people leave their C2's and claim them, while you can just as easily fly there with a snub fighter and continue to use the same C2 over and over and not loiter the airport. Would actually save them more time.

[north oyster]

CIG is going to apply a hoxfix as build 3.23.1a to address it

[wide adder]

I hope so.

[north oyster]

That could be today. They are also trying to get the new build for evocati pushed out by tomorrow

That's the biggie

[wide adder]

Where does it say it could be today?

(I was kindo expecting them to do it within a week of launch)

[north oyster]

It doesn't, they've been cooking on this hotfix for a week so I think it's close to ready

The Evo build for 3.23.2 has been announced

[near swallow]

I think the dup bug fix will be in 3.23.1a which may start testing on EPTU/PTU later today.

[proud pumice]

NGL, id enjoy it if they WIPE wiped us with it

[wide adder]

I'd welcome it

[near swallow]

Would likely screw up Overdrive event progress. Phase 6 hasn't started yet.

[wide adder]

Wait, there's more overdrive?

But most people have already finished it

[near swallow]

The main Xenothreat event is, lore wise, part of Overdrive

[wide adder]

Got the F7 mkII reward

[near swallow]

And is required to get the armor

[proud pumice]

They could leave mission progress and just wipe auec again.

[near swallow]

An aUEC wipe is entirely possible because of the dup bug.

[proud pumice]

That's why I suggested it. I'm so sick of seeing 40-50 abandoned ships every time I come out of warp at a station, or if I'm hunting the new armor I'm dodging multiple griefers looking for people duping

[cedar flower]

Ironclad vs Galaxy as my daily cargo driver

whats better?

[proud pumice]

1500 and probably flies like a cat vs (not sure) in the galaxy.

Also, 95% chance Galaxy comes out first

Gal is 64 cargo, no idea how much fits in it's cargo module or when said module will be available

[cedar flower]

its for long term
I have a chain to the galaxy that I just need to expand up

[cedar flower]

cargo module is about 500 SCU

[proud pumice]

Ok, so 1/3 the cargo. And I'm willing to bet it has more agility, the Drake might be faster in a straight line maybe

[cedar flower]

the pros of the galaxy are obviously that it has a lower crew requirement and more firepower

but the ironclad is nicer for me as hauler

but needs more crew to be sucessful

[spark crest]

is there easier way to enter caterpillar?

[proud pumice]

3s5 dual turrets for the galaxy

The Ironclad has something like eight-man turrets if I remember correctly?

[proud pumice]

It needs more crew in case of fighting, but just point A to point b buying and selling it should be just fine with one crew member

[cedar flower]

4
the base has 1x S5 manned
1x S3 manned
2x S3 remote

[proud pumice]

I see two size five two remote size 3 to manned size three and two manned size two

[cedar flower]

the S2 remotes are inside the ship and on the command module
so they are useless

[proud pumice]

Ahh. Forgot about the one being inside

[north oyster]

I wonder if they're not going to worry about any resets, regardless of the exploits, until 4.0 Build release. I would love to see a clean inventory and aUEC reset for 3.23.2 but they may just let everything stay as is until 4.0 is dropped

[spark crest]

is c1 spirit good?

i'me test flying it and it seems a fun cargo plane but idk

[brittle kraken]

Its decent but only has 64 scu of cargo so make of that what you will

[spark crest]

can it be that the sc trading app is completely off?

it says i need to buy gold at some place but they don't sell gold

[sinful agate]

what is the fastest scrapper module?

[spare cloud]

#rock-and-stone

[north oyster]

Gold is currently only sold at one outpost on Daymar ...

But the trade apps are sufferring because the information is no longer in the game files

[north oyster]

C1 makes a great all-rounder and daily driver

[north oyster]

We are currently putting together an all backer 3.23.1a build for release onto PTU later today with updated jumptown testing.

This should purge the duping activity (hopium set to max)

[north oyster]

FYI: We are currently putting together an all backer 3.23.1a build for release onto PTU later today with updated jumptown testing.

[wide adder]

What do they mean with “all backer”?

[leaden monolith]

open to anyone who has a game package is my understanding

[spare cloud]

No

A Backer is anyone who spent at least 0.01$ in the pledge store.

People who were given a game package and never bought anything don't have access to the PTU/EPTU

[leaden monolith]

Thanks for clarifying. Gifted packages didn't cross my mind.

[north oyster]

Interesting detail that I wasn't aware of, Thanks!

I'm pretty sure when the hotfix .1a drops to LIVE that it will clear all refinery jobs and all non-persistent items (food, ammo, stuff in ships, etc)

I don't see it before Thursday or Friday, but then again, CIG likes surprises too

[oblique fox]

I'm really hyped for the physical cargo loading. Less so than the Zeus CL though

[north oyster]

I understand that they hope Evo can be testing by Thursday for the 3.23.2 build. The chatter is that this touches every aspect of the game so it could prove to be a rough road to bring to LIVE.

Salty that the other Zeus is getting release before my Clipper

[earnest hawk]

There is a hotfix out, but looks like the same as the live version on the numbers

[north oyster]

I'm talking about the .1a that is coming to PTU today. It was originally called a "hotfix" but I think it's evolved into a numbered build status

you're right, technically not a "hotfix" per se, but pretty much a new build

[olive gull]

hope that fix the Cargo glitch and exploit

[inner summit]

Can the argo raft carry containers smaller than 32scu?

[north oyster]

you and me both, actually I'm sure most every player hopes the same. totally messes up the QoL in the game

[north oyster]

great question, I'm not really sure. It's grappling system appears to only accommodate 32 SCU boxes. It doesn't seem to have a cargo grid like the Hull A does.

I think lesser SCU is carried in the attached 32?

[inner summit]

I would test, but I dont have one and wouldnt want to keep it if its 32 only lol.

At least not until manual loading is required and I could choose to be given 32 scu containers.

[north oyster]

96 SCU (holds 3x). But for me, the C1, MAX or Taurus are better options that offer more roles than a one trick pony

[inner summit]

Thats what I meant -

But I was mainly wondering because for the past week or so I have been using the MPUV tractor to load larger ships manually, and I am trying to see if eventually the raft would be a better option.

I already have an m2 as a liberator loaner.

[north oyster]

that's next level tough, but I plan to avoid manual loading as much as possible. Not part of game play I think I would enjoy. Engineering excites me even less

[north oyster]

Likewise

Liberator When!!!

[inner summit]

I enjoy the puzzle that is manual loading lol. The MPUV does fine for fitting near/in the M2, it was more for when I upsize to the liberator since it would be 25 full loads (MPUV) vs 5 (RAFT) to fill to 400scu.

[north oyster]

Imagine that with an Ironclad setup also

[inner summit]

Either way - ironclad has a bigger grid, but Liberator has more space if you occupy the ground pads. Just is how you load it.

[north oyster]

come to think of it, it would be cool if the Liberator's pads were also cargo grids, imaging what you could carry on her!

I see what you're saying

[inner summit]

Both ways it will be super slow with one tractor vs the raft.

Supposedly the raft will fit on the liberator as well. Will take up most of the exterior pad space, but it will fit.

[inner summit]

I think 2500scu

But wont know till I can stuff one

[north oyster]

I was planning to use the Liberator as a mini-carrier for my Prospector, Vulture, and a few others items

I picked up the IronClad CCU so I might chain up to that beast when it comes to the game in a few years

but keeping my Liberator for sure

[inner summit]

Yeah Im mainly going to use my liberator for solo cargo and then give members of the org im in or strangers long-distance uber rides once pyro goes live.

[north oyster]

that's legit also

I still think I'll end up going off grid for a couple of months in the Arrastra when she comes online. The just sell all the cargo of refined ore straight from her stores

the ultimate in cargo and mining all in one

[inner summit]

Makes sense lol. Look foward to being more and more off-the-grid

[north oyster]

ROC is about the closes I can get to that atm

[leaden monolith]

The Raft only loads up 32SCU crates. If you have 80SCU of cargo then you will see the 3x32 boxes but one will only have 16SCU in it. At least that's how it has worked for me in the past. Who knows about what's planned.

[wooden kraken]

WILL THE MULE FINALLY WORK IN 3.23.2!

[near swallow]

Hotfixes and patches are different. Hotfixes don't wipe anything and are usually small updates. I don't know if the hotfix that has been in testing will actually be deployed as a hotfix or be rolled into a patch.

Patches (at least for now) always get rid of refinery jobs, rentals, and consumable items. They also reset your ships to default loadout and gear that you bought for them gets tossed into local inventory at your primary residence, along with everything else you own anywhere. Some people call that a database reset, because that's basically what it is. the database storing the location of every item in Stanton gets cleared out and we get rebuilt from Long Term Persistance data. Also have to go through char gen again, but if you saved your char, then you can just load it.

[north oyster]

Thank you, the terms I used to refer to this was how the cig staff referred to the fixes early in the process a couple of weeks ago before the work getting called "3.23.1a"

[near swallow]

Wasn't a cut and paste of anything.

[north oyster]

Okie dokie, sorry

Thanks for the clarification

Pretty sure when this goes from PTU to Live, it will clear all non - persistent items

[north oyster]

Wow, looks like the patch will hit like a hotfix, LOL. I'm shocked

At this time, this update does not contain data that requires a new environment and we are working to keep it that way until it is released to LIVE. Players should not lose items such as medpens, ammo, rentals, and refinery jobs when the build is released to LIVE.

[digital echo]

Question: I’m a bit slow and just realized there is a journal entry for commodity trading. Is this currently the best place to get trading info?

[shut remnant]

where can i sell an eclipse power plant?

[slate spruce]

For trading it's usually better to use https://gallog.co/ or !tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[north oyster]

Not always but it's a good start. I stopped using it last year

[north oyster]

Yes, you'll get about 10 cents on the dollar though

Dumpers

Or Platinum Bay

[digital echo]

I only say that because the trade tools I was told to use seem to be out of date

[slate spruce]

Yeah, the community is gathering new data after the patch. Maybe also try https://uexcorp.space/ or do some mixture of all of them 😀

[surreal glade]

so. is traiding and cargo hauling viable for money yet? Im getting back into SC after like 2 years

[slate spruce]

You need initial money for buying cargo, but then you can very well get 15-20% profit per quite easy and safe run. (And more for a dangerous one)

[surreal glade]

so this newest update is good for me as a caterpillar owner?

[slate spruce]

It hasn't changed much, the main change will come in a few weeks with manual cargo loading and economy update in 3.23.2. I'd assume CIG will want to gather data on moving cargo in general, so they'll bump up the profits from that (just as 3.22 was a heaven for salvagers)

[surreal glade]

fantastic. when is the next wipe

[spare cloud]

Q3

With 4.0

[hushed canyon]

has anyone actually tried to do a retrieval op mission? wondering if it's still offers 10k for 3 boxes or can be higher

[austere hedge]

Anyone get the ironclad?

[north oyster]

A CCU for later consideration

[austere hedge]

I want it now to do bad ass cargo missions

[north oyster]

the Ironclad reminds me of an ocean going barge ... big, square and volumous

[austere hedge]

I like that it has a black paint

Looks bad ass

[north oyster]

Most think it will be a pocket carrier like the Liberator

but what other ship has a size 3 gun mount in the hanger?

BTW- Good news it looks like the Dupe bug has been dealt with

Bad news is the patch is too unstable

[austere hedge]

I think there are better alternatives

[north oyster]

The Liberator comes to mind as a better alternative, LOL

[austere hedge]

Corsair is an underrated cargo ship

[fierce harness]

when cargo update happens would cata be better then c2 due to tractor beams or c2 still king

[somber bay]

The cat beams suck

[spring copper]

I suspect we'll see choices being made - the option for auto-loading might be cheap/fast enough to mean folks still auto-load the C2 over manually loading anything else.
It's also been mentioned that hand-held tractor beams might have a maximum size/weight in the future - which could put more emphasis on ships with tractor beams.

[austere hedge]

Might want to look at the Corsair, some say it’s underrated

[rose forge]

man I sure hope the next hotfix drops quickly cause cargo grids are COMPLETELY broken

the payout though for materials would make it worth it if everything worked

[vestal ravine]

The grid is not broken you have to know how to deal with the dupe glitch.

[opaque raven]

if i just wait will i be able to sell my cargo thats out of demand

[fierce harness]

corsair been my main ship since release, but thats not what we talking about

[austere hedge]

Then you understand

[fierce harness]

sure

[rocky iron]

What is the workaround?

[restive pendant]

are c2's still free to rent?

[placid pilot]

you can still rent the c2 till invictus ends which is in about 13 hours

[steady siren]

what’s the best trade route for a cutty black

[north oyster]

The PTU patch dropped last night that fixes the dupe/cargo grid issue. It wasn't stable enough, so it will remain in PTU for a bit until they get the stability acceptable. After that it could drop to LIVE by this weekend. Fortunately, as of the last notes on the patch, it will not wipe non-persistent items like refinery jobs, ship configurations, food, medpens, etc

[north oyster]

ROC mining

Since the SCU is so small with the cutty, it might be best to look at contraband or more limited cargo options (gold, rmc, etc). I would hold off on trade until the new patch 3.23.1a drops (hopefully by weekend)

There are a number of videos that cover things like "starter ship trading" etc that elaborate on the options for small trades

[slender atlas]

If I just watch a commodity (for example, RMC) on a trade terminal that's out of stock, when the terminal refreshes will the changes to the demand show up immediately or do I have to leave and reuse the terminal?

[north oyster]

I have seen it update on me, but I don't trust it so I always just refresh the kiosk. Some just stand there until it times out on them. Mileage varies

RMC is a popular dupe trade, so it will be constipated and selling will be tough

[vestal ravine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1d35yi2/party_is_over_for_the_dupers_it_seems_salvagers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Labeled as "FIXED"...the cargo dupe

[sinful agate]

is something happening to the game? i just got my 2 first server error today in the span of an hour

[slender atlas]

as in it's gonna be in the next patch

on the ptu rn I believe

[vestal ravine]

We had a couple of those yesterday but then had a 2 hour trading session ending in a hard lock being stuck in our seats and had to quit at that point. All you can do is go with the flow for now and that the game works in your favor.

[sinful agate]

ok

[north oyster]

Like Wildbill said, something happened about the same time that they pushed the PTU builds. The PTU became very unstable and oddly enough, the LIVE environment began to has some challenges. This is purely coincidental but it was interesting to watch

I wonder if something is still happening in the background that is making things unstable for LIVE. Pretty sure we will never know. Status page is showing all green

[solemn bramble]

How do I use a tractor beam turret? I'm in remote control, I can aim it, but I can't activate it.

[vestal ravine]

Check your flight mode. I think it should be SCM/GUN. Don't use NAV mode in the Reclaimer when you first get ready to use the lasers, etc.

[slender atlas]

Will I get hit with an afk timeout if I just do fuckall but sit in my pilot's seat during an eighteen minute warp?

[north oyster]

That sounds like a Bolton or Kama QT engines in the ship

[solemn bramble]

@vestal ravine SCM mode is gun, shields are up.

[north oyster]

Master modes with the sub modes has made things a little interesting

[vestal ravine]

I've never had a session time out during the QT mode but it can get you if you let the game go unattanded for to long there's no pre warning. I use a mouse jiggler and sometimes that doesn't even help you.

[unreal seal]

Hi, so how does cargo work exactly? there are different types of crates, like minerals, armor, delivery packages, bought cargo boxes. of those, only the cargo boxes can be put in cargo holds properly, right? when I buy cargo (e-g- scrap) in a place, does this generate crates? or is this a different story and it goes to the inventory? Do I need storage at all then? thank you for enlightenment

[vestal ravine]

There are also trading mitigation strategies you can use if the servers are acting up. The easiest one is do use shorter trading routes and logging to new servers and repeating. Or if more paranoid invest less money in a trade. Getting the ship stored with cargo can protect it from a loss also.

[sinful agate]

even if the cargo is loose and not in the cargo grid?

[vestal ravine]

Hey there is a lot to cover on HOW to trade but you can find routes on a website like Trade Tools and this site: https://uexcorp.space/trade/routes/ You can go to "Looking for a session" channel and ask someone to take you on a trade run. Also CIG has a player Guide system you can ask for help. Don't invest more than 49% of your net worth into a trade.

[vestal ravine]

Like if you salvage crates from a ship in general try to get them on the grid but others can be stacked off-grid when you go to sell the non-grid ones are listed separate from the gridded cargo.

[sinful agate]

my tractoer beam wont attach it to the cargo grid but i think it will be useless bc i was going to land at orison but the server crashed

i should have guessed when the landing comm wasnt answering

[vestal ravine]

Sorry to hear that. Try to verify where the ship is and what condition it is in on the AESOP terminal. For instance "Claiming" the ship will wipe out any cargo onboard. If it says "Stored" that is great as you can call the ship and check in the ship or just go sell from a stored condition if at Orison.

[cobalt rivet]

which bounties give lootable cargo?

[unreal seal]

thank you, but I was not interested in trade routes but instead in the storage system 🙂

[lime vessel]

Every time the PTU is open the LIVE is less stable.

[north oyster]

It does seem to have the ripple effect

There was one time when 4 different instances of SC was running

[lime vessel]

Yeah spaghetti server code

[north oyster]

PTU, Live, EPTU and tech preview

[unreal seal]

I will try to make my questions easier to answer 🙂

1. is the cargo space behind the ramp in ships usually their cargo grid?
2. which boxes or crates can be stored in cargo space/grid? (e.g. delivery, minerals, armor box, bought cargo boxes)
3. when buying comodities, do they go to the ship inventory? if yes, what do I need cargo space (room behind the ramp) for?

[slender atlas]

honestly I just give my lil dude some time to have a stretch on the ship in the midst of my own during the long jumps

[limpid sluice]

1. Typically yes, but some larger ships will have a specific cargo bay with its own elevator. Ex. Constellation series, hammerhead, 890jump

2. anything of at least 1scu. Small boxes like armor or handheld packages don't snap to the grid

3. commodities will (at present) be in crates that will appear in your cargo, you can only buy as much as the cargo grid allows. This will be changing soon however, with the upcoming cargo update, you will have to load stuff yourself

[unreal seal]

thank you!

[vestal ravine]

Glad you got some answers. We can talk in DM mode if you want.

[unreal seal]

thank you for the offer! I might come back to it once I am trying cargo runs

[elder summit]

So with duping being a thing - I really don’t want to get shot down trying to move legit cargo. Are there any areas to stay the eff away from cause people are shooting down assumed dupers? I hope to use main city / station terminals so less sketch than moon outposts

[vestal ravine]

Yea stay away from buying RMC and selling at Arc Corp. There are trade sites for Beryl on MT and you can sell at NB.

[elder summit]

Thank you!

[orchid void]

I have a bunch of ship components stripped from a ship is there a way to move those into a local inventory? As I want to sell em

also it's not letting me drag them like you'd normally do with body equipment

[olive gull]

CIG do not want us to move weapons nor any big ship components, after 3.23 patch

selling salvaged equip its not worth anyways, you may get 1-2k per weapon.

[orchid void]

alr I wanted to try so I stripped an odyssey and a bunch of other things

won't do that again

[olive gull]

the Odyssey is a concept ship that is not yet in game...

[orchid void]

it's a QD

I think

I stripped that off a prospector

[limpid sluice]

Someone told me they managed to sell parts from their cargo bay this patch, they had to sell at a shop that sold the same parts, but I've not verified this information myself. Generally don't bother with parts as they're not worth the effort

[spare cloud]

A bad QD

[spare cloud]

Always worked that way yea, but never been a good thing to do.
Sometimes it won't detect what's in your ship, so storing or retrieving it, or both, can help

Also it doesn't have to be in a shop that sells that exact same component, just the same type of component.

Afaik, any dumper's depot is a reliable place to sell

[spark crest]

is the star runner a good ship?

[olive gull]

depends, what kind of 'good' are you intending to use the MSR?

[spark crest]

idk trading?

what else can you do

[olive gull]

the MSR having 114 scu of cargo is ok for trading

its a good daily ship

not so much for combat

[spare cloud]

Good drug trader, not really for anything else

[civic epoch]

MSR is one of my favorites. You can haul many different sized vehicles like the ROC, Nursa, etc. It's a great cargo runner. Downside is as Blue-Mystic mentioned, not great for combat. But, it's not meant for that. It's purpose is to run away.

[spare cloud]

MSR would actually be the king drug hauler if it had a S3 shield

[spark crest]

what can i do if i'm stuck on a ladder?

[olive gull]

try jumping out, sometimes that works, otherwise, log out to the menus

[spark crest]

alr

[elder summit]

Can’t “F” to anything? Like a door or one of the switches?

[olive gull]

its often due a very bad server, log out and try a different server

[north oyster]

CIG reports they found the blocking issue ot the PTU, so a new build coming this evening. This fixes the dupe exploit and a few other fixes. Hopefully it'll be able to go live by Friday. Xeno threat game play at Pyro Jump point for those interested.

[amber onyx]

xeno on?

[vestal ravine]

Thanks for info Dan! I am interested in Xeno also.

[spare cloud]

In the PTU.

[amber onyx]

ah dang

[north oyster]

CIG has mentioned both Jump town and also Xeno threat in the .1a build, so we might see these pop up when it goes live (if build is good, could be by Friday)

timeframe is purely my own speculation

[fallen atlas]

Mrw you ask a question and get an answer from a specialist and then nerd react them.

[spare cloud]

[marble fulcrum]

anybody know a cargo route that actually can make money faster than just bounties

if such a thing exists

[visual night]

a full C2 of RMC is (roughly) 2 million profit, risking 8 million to buy. It's definitely the fastest route maximizing profit, since Gold is hard to purchase in large quantities. Pirates/griefers are pretty common on RMC routes though

Legal ERT/VHRT bounties have recently netted 500k and 2.5 mil (for my last 2 sessions). More variable, slightly less risk than RMC since I haven't seen many campers at salvage yards.

Illegal high-level bounties have better cargo, but require getting a crime stat or some work upfront to avoid CS

[vestal ravine]

My go to trade item is Beryl. 8 or 9 sites to buy at in armistice zones, unlimited stock, reasonable profit. Try it!!

[open surge]

Yesssss buy up RMC. Brios Breaker Yard beckons for more boxes.

[blazing sentinel]

Hey guys I can’t decide if I should get a Taurus or a Caterpillar

I plan to do more cargo running/box and maybe bunker mission than anything

I currently have a C1 a SRV and a Firebird

[open surge]

Taurus is more versatile, Cat is a more dedicated hauler.

At the end of the day, pick what's more fun for you

[visual night]

Until the Caterpillar is more functional, I'd say Taurus. Caterpillar has more trading capacity, but it's big and weird to fly. And I don't think the cargo elevators work on it

[open surge]

The cat is sooooo satisfying when it's packed to the gills

[spare cloud]

If you're talking pledge, Taurus is the best available all arounder atm, and you can always upgrade later to a Caterpillar

[open surge]

Ye for real money, 100% get a Taurus. Can haul, can bounty hunt, s2 drives are fast

[visual night]

Cat is definitely the cooler hauler. but imo C2 is easier for trading.

[open surge]

If in game, again, get what seems fun. Don't calculate the fun and aesthetic out of hauling. Gotta enjoy what you're flying.

[blazing sentinel]

I mean ok the cat is weird to fly but the cockpit and tractor beam room are amazing

But yeah I’m talking about pledge and since RSI is currently the main focus maybe Taurus should be better

[brittle kraken]

I find it easier to land the cat on planets, C2 is so unstable with its weird landing gear.

[open surge]

For sure a Taurus if pledging

[blazing sentinel]

That’s why I don’t fly with the c2 sure it’s more profitable and all but it’s kinda soulless

[open surge]

Hopefully someday the cat gets an interior pass. The corsair is a landmark drake ship, and the cat should get that same love

Drake ships make me feel like I'm in firefly

[brittle kraken]

Flying the cat into cities just feels a lot cooler

[visual night]

C2 is fickle, especially around small rocks. Very teetering, eventually you (mostly) counteract it

[open surge]

C2 is also infinitely easier to board

Hard to board a cat

[brittle kraken]

If the elevator works

[blazing sentinel]

I love the Corsair in every aspect except for it’s handling I somehow find it worse than the cat

[open surge]

Shoot back door. Who takes the elevator when pirating a herc?

[brittle kraken]

I was talking about if it was your own ship lol

[open surge]

Gotta use your boost to roll/pitch, and let go of the input a little early and it'll nudge into place

Corsair boost is about bringing guns to bear, less than about getting space

[open surge]

Ye, I mean that it's much harder to have someone steal a cat than a herc

[blazing sentinel]

That’s interesting I’ll definitely try that

[open surge]

I don't wanna say how I know though.

[spare cloud]

It definitely is better than the Cat, but exact same handling as the Taurus. Tho Taurus is still a better option atm, and cheaper.

[open surge]

Connies are cool af for sure

[brittle kraken]

Corsair hase more pew pew

[spare cloud]

Not that much more

Corsair is only better for people who care about fitting vehicles in their ship.

For that, it is a lot better than the Connies

[open surge]

I feel really cute in my corsair

[brittle kraken]

Corsair is so ugly though

[spare cloud]

That's personal taste 🤷

[blazing sentinel]

I don’t do that much bounty hunting I’m more on the industrial side

[visual night]

it's a pug

[open surge]

You take that back

Say sike rn

Let your Taurus buy the cat in game

And like zorgh said, if you like it then, look at upgrading.

For a pledge, at its price point, the Taurus is really, really solid

[brittle kraken]

Like why does it have this tumor on its right side, lets not even talk about those decorational side turrets

[open surge]

That tumor is a docking collar/airlock

[blazing sentinel]

That’s smart actually

[visual night]

for aggressively boarding another ship

[open surge]

And a very neat armory

And those side turrets are very nice when you have players that don't like to fly or are very new 😦

My newbies shot a lot of missiles in those

[brittle kraken]

It doesnt need to be like that though, also it wastes like half its space on crew quarters, why do they need individual rooms? Much bigger and fancier ships have bunks all in the same room.

[open surge]

And copilot on the corsair can fire off my missiles from 360 degrees

Don't hate on my baby

[blazing sentinel]

Oh wow that’s very neat I didn’t know that

[spare cloud]

If you want to compare turrets too, connie turrets are a lot better placed and more enjoyable to use

[open surge]

Everyone having their own room and storage is nice when you're dragging players around doing stuff

[visual night]

the only reason I know is that it's an "expedition" ship, meant for long voyages/living aboard. in my head canon, for pirates living off-grid

[open surge]

Lets my group squirrel away their loot without mixing stuff up

[spare cloud]

And Copilot on the Corsair eats the pilot capacitor, so you have less shots and it feels terrible

[open surge]

I had a copilot in last night, and did not have less shots than before

So idk

I think erkul is wrong on that one

[brittle kraken]

If there are a million corsair haters (there probably more) I am one of them
If there is one corsair hater it is me

[open surge]

😦

[brittle kraken]

If there are no corsair haters I am dead (or they removed that ugly ass tumour)

[open surge]

It's ok. That's why there's so many ships

[brittle kraken]

Yeah I prefer the much prettier ships like the hercules and the egg

[open surge]

Give the MSR s4's and maybe I'll change my tune

[spare cloud]

Just give the MSR a S3 shield

[open surge]

And make the hallway to the cockpit an elevator

[spare cloud]

All it needs, it's not a fighter

[open surge]

Yeah, that'd be a cool compromise

[brittle kraken]

When engineering comes and you have to crawl through your MSRs definitely not drug tunnels for 20 minutes to repair a part

I am not alone in the corsair hate

[steady siren]

whats the cheapest cargo ship thats actually profitable? zeus cl?

[brittle kraken]

EVAing a box of RMC through space is profitable, just takes a while. Zeus CL is actually worse as it does not exist yet. Anything under 128sc and you are kinda wasting your time. So a freelancer max is a good start. Could get away with 64 scu but you wont make a lot of money.

[torn owl]

I wanna get started into cargo hauling any tips ?

[spare cloud]

Pledge then ?

That'd be Zeus CL and Freelancer MAX yeah. Both 120 SCU and both 1250$.
But Zeus CL has 120 SCUs at the cost of not being able to access any component and do any engineering.

[spare cloud]

!trading ⬇️

[wary tusk]

Trading

Click [here](#🍼┃learn-to-play message) to learn the basics of Trading in Star Citizen.

The bigger the ship, the more you can haul!

[steady siren]

when the zeus cl drops i can ccu to it for like $10 ($5?) on sale so imma js do that

wait $125 or $150

[spare cloud]

Zeus CL is supposed to be released with 4.0, with is coming Q3, that is, before the IAE, so its price will increase before you can buy it

It'll likely have a Warbond offer on release tho.
Can assume 160 or 170$ release price, and 145 or 155 WB offer

[surreal glade]

Can i start doing any serious trading with 160k auec?

[spare cloud]

Yesn't. You won't do much, but anything is enough to start making money

[surreal glade]

any good recommendations for trade routes and commodities?

[spare cloud]

Just don't invest what you can't afford to lose, so try not to invest more than 30% of your capital

With low capital, I'd trade drugs, but it does require a little experience with trading already.

Use !tradetools to plan your routes

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[brittle kraken]

I thought it was only the ES for 4.0? Although I guess it might have changed since I last checked?

[open surge]

I've been doing some small scale drug running in my Hull A, which has been a blast

Nice since it's hard to match demand

[spare cloud]

No, both ES and CL on the roadmap for 4.0

Eh, nvm, been told lies by an other helper

I only see the ES on the roapmap

But I can imagine the CL coming very soon after

[brittle kraken]

Yeah thats what I thought. Although in ISC didnt they say they would be updating the roadmap soon? I guess it cant be ruled out for 4.0 yet.

[alpine musk]

MFD?

[brittle kraken]

I know as much as you

[torn owl]

Can I make a good profit with 500k? Or around that

[spare cloud]

Same advice as here #industrial-professions message

[surreal glade]

Hm ima try rmco

This gonna be bad for me? 😂

[vestal ravine]

Be aware the glitch is still active... the pirates are on the RMC sales sites also.

[surreal glade]

Which glitch?

[torn owl]

So will this be a good run ? Or no ?

[spare cloud]

Some game abuse. It's getting fixed soon

[spare cloud]

Well, uh, I take it as "I didn't read your advice" but yeah, if you're gonna risk all your money, it's a decent run.

[pure parcel]

yesterday me and some people pirated alot of dupers

[spare cloud]

For Beryl tho, I wouldn't do such long trips if you don't have a TS-2 or XL-1 QD

[spare cloud]

Hero.

[pure parcel]

we do what we can

[torn owl]

I got 2 mil im just using 500k to kinda just get started and see how this works

[spare cloud]

Nice then

[pure parcel]

theres alot of asian servers thats low pop where they are duping sooo much

[spare cloud]

Go for it

[torn owl]

I do have a TS-2

[pure parcel]

stay out of those servers. we tried to hunt them but they have like 5 firebirds coving them

[nova laurel]

Hopefully CGI have a script ready to reset all of them to zero or ban

[pure parcel]

niceeee

[vestal ravine]

That's okay then. But this game will crush you as fast as anything. Relog after your sale is done.

[pure parcel]

at some point im just thinking about infiltrating a dupe clan and just grief them all hahahahahah

[nova laurel]

Well CGI need to enforce it otherwise their very own TOS is meaningless drivel.

[pure parcel]

most people have been taking matter in their own hands

[vestal ravine]

In the past 18 months 4 cheats no widespread bans. It's an Alpha.

[nova laurel]

yes but a ban or complete wipe is needed for offenders.

[pure parcel]

yea, i hope it happens soon. economy is kinda f'd rn

[olive gull]

i would not mind a full wipe, starting from scratch is fun

[quaint spruce]

star citizen: Tarkov EOD edition?

[nova laurel]

Then if everyone is to get wipe, dupers should get a ban.

[olive gull]

i agree, but dont think that CIG even knows about the dupers problem, they just dont play their own game

unless someone had reported it at the issue council...

[nova laurel]

One way or another CGI need to enforce their TOS - especially as they are getting closer to moving out of Alpha

[pure parcel]

they dont play their own game?

[nova laurel]

They definitely do know about it

[olive gull]

had they said anything about it?

[spare cloud]

That it'll be fixed with 3.23.1a, yes

[olive gull]

🤔

[olive gull]

this is what you mean? LOL

[spare cloud]

Yeah ? What's so funny about it ?

[olive gull]

idk yet, last nite the PTU gave a login error, i'll try it tonite when i get home

idk what they mean with 'Coverup Rewards'

but im sure 'reduce' means NERF

[vestal ravine]

Same here never heard of coverup rewards...

[drifting yew]

Coverup missions are the cleanup missions
This has nothing to do with the glitch lol

[south plaza]

can the hull c not be retrieved on planet?

even when closed

[brittle kraken]

Yeah, its a bug

[south plaza]

where can it be called in?

[brittle kraken]

Any station, including lagrange points and orison. However there is a decent chance it will spawn not connected to the docking port. What you can do is spawn a small ship and fly it to a pad, go back inside and spawn your hull c. Then go back to your small ship and fly it out to your hull C. Or you can go to somewhere like seraphim where the pads are right next to the docking ports and just eva over to your hull c.

[south plaza]

At cru l5, it won't call in

[brittle kraken]

I idk about that. Cru L5 is always kinda broken

[shut citrus]

CRU L5 in particular? This is what I'm getting

[brittle kraken]

Perhaps it doesnt have a docking port? I thought all lagrange points with stations had them, but maybe not. Seraphim, baijini, port tressler and everus definitely have them though

[shut citrus]

It doesn't, I just happened to go to one of the only lagrange stations without one I guess :(

[olive gull]

just great! we pray for a fix and they deliver a NERF and an stupid discord pic

[drifting yew]

? This server is not managed by CIG lmao

[olive gull]

know, just wanted to say how stupid that pic is

[delicate girder]

Well I tested the duping bug in the PTU and they fixed it.

[proud pumice]

They already nerfed the payout for those missions, how much worse are they now?

[olive gull]

10k LOL

[south plaza]

thats for the harder missions, the easy ones a vulture can fracture are 6

How do you get cargo into a hull c?

[drifting yew]

O Starfarer now? Is it the only one now or?

[olive gull]

no, they change, not sure about the other choices yet

[drifting yew]

Ah ight
Starfarer is much easier to salvage I feel so this is a good change for me lmao

[delicate girder]

Is there salvage rep? If so, can they got up with rep increase?

[olive gull]

yes there is rep, however nowhere shows it, well the 'legal' missions increase with rep

[proud pumice]

Not worth it at all at that point

[south plaza]

Is there a workaround for the hull c spawning inside the station?

[brittle kraken]

Keep calling it, eventually it should™️ spawn normally

[woeful elbow]

Anyone else get thrown into space while the Hull C is in quantum ?

[brittle kraken]

Thats less of a Hull C specific problem and more of a general SC problem

[fair cloak]

Anyone know if we will need to rent persistent hangers on stations?

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/50259/thread/persistent-hangers-and-spaceport-hangers is where I have asked the question in Spectrum

[desert crypt]

I don't think we know yet. Although P.Hangers are cool, you have to land on the planet to use them. So there's definitely a downside there and they're only at Home LZ. I think what we are looking at is two separate things: Home LZ Persistent Hangers and Other LZ Instanced Hangers. You can tool away in the Instanced hanger at another location but nothing will persist. If you leave anything behind, it'll be lost when you leave those Other LZ hangers. So what's going to happen is Home LZ will become way more important, we'll be visiting Home LZ way more often.

[south plaza]

Eventually yes, you will be able to increase the size of your persistant hanger, and you will be able to rent ones at other locations, but initial release will just have them at your home station

[upper pumice]

Whats the best route for a C1 spirit ?

[brittle kraken]

Take it to new deal and get a freelancer max

[torn owl]

Is cargo trading bugged rn ? I sold my cargo and when I went to buy some other cargo it said my storage was full

[brittle kraken]

Yes it is

[visual night]

Selling when the ship is stored causes it to not clear the grid completely, but it looks empty. Either sell while not stored or claim the ship to reset the grid

[torn owl]

Oh ok thanks

[olive gull]

a patch that is supposed to fix that is already on the PTU

the workaround is to not store your ship using the hangars consoles, simply run to the TDD and do the sell

[lime vessel]

yeah but at least when you store your ship, the next day you will have to claim it first..

if not the ship will have the cargo grid bug

[olive gull]

yeah but its not a big deal for a Vulture, claiming time and Expedite is not much

[lime vessel]

indeed

hope they fix that soon, too many entities on the server makes it unstable.

[olive gull]

what i do is to claim an Origin 85x, which its claim time is instant paying only 300 creds, use it to get to the station where i spawn the Vulture

[olive gull]

sadly the PTU server is also a mess, constant Server Errors and glitches way worse than the Live, but at least, this cargo glitch, and the exploit is fixed

or at least i did not saw it happening

[lime vessel]

hehe good to know

[nova laurel]

Would have been nice if that work around had been published somewhere, I've been reclaiming the ship at space stations to clear it.

But all of that takes time

[spark crest]

what does argo raft do

[somber bay]

Carries boxes

32SCU boxes

[olive gull]

dont waste your credits on it

its pretty but useless

[leaden bane]

It helps the Argo mole with its sacks

[olive gull]

for around 700k extra you can get the Freelancer MAX, who has more Cargo, Speed, agility.... everything!

still i believe all Argo ships are gorgeous, i was the proud owner of an Argo SRV, til this patch arrived and fucked the one and only mission i could run on it

melted it and bought a Zeus Mk II instead ^_^

[final flume]

I went to the wrong hanger in Area18 and found this but I cant grab any boxes

[olive gull]

thats someone's else ship and cargo xD

where is a cop when one needs it?

[leaden bane]

Yes, i get ya, but if u would like to do some RPG gaming then why not use the branding

[olive gull]

hehe, tried to get the ship out?

[spare cloud]

If you can get in pilot seat and hit Right Alt + K you'll be able to tractor the cargo

[olive gull]

indeed, the Argo is a beautiful ship, go for it 👍

[spare cloud]

But take it out somewhere the owner won't find it

[final flume]

he stored the ship. I guess that's why he wasn't concerned when I walked out of the elevator and we passed each other

[spare cloud]

Eh

[final flume]

even if I made it to the pilot seat I wouldn't be able to take the ship right? cause the hanger door request wouldn't respond to me?

also I figured out how to consistently use the ladder from the top floor of the c2 to drop straight outside on the ground. is this already a known bug?

[spare cloud]

They would

You would've totally been able to take off

[spare cloud]

Hmm yeah mostly I guess. Works with any ladder you can go on them sideways/reverse so hatch opens but you don't grab it

More a feature than a bug IMO

[final flume]

I've tried before on a carrack at grim hex. My carrack was hijacked, I tracked the hijackers location by bounty and went to grim hex to the hanger, he gave me my ship back but I couldn't open the hanger

as in. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just new enough where I don't know what should work or not work

[tired inlet]

I'm stuck with a full cargo hold and empty quantum tank in Pyro gateway, services don't show able to fill. How effed am I?

[spare cloud]

I was still able in 3.22 to request landings and take off with a ship I stole. Don't think that has been a focus for devs, so doubt it has changed

[spare cloud]

Fully. It's a known issue that Pyro doesn't repair/refuel.
Two options, call an other ship and transfer the cargo from the stranded one to the other.
Or ask someone with a Starfarer to come refuel you

With how rare the Starfarer is, and how hard it can sometimes be to get it to work, transferring cargo is probably the best option, even if your ship is a Hull C

[tired inlet]

Starfarer refueling is more bugged than Pyro 😂

[spare cloud]

Well at least it can work

Pyro is a 0% chance of working

[tired inlet]

Got any tips if the cargo is not visible any more due to storing caterpillar?

[spare cloud]

Then you only have one option

Starfarer

[tired inlet]

Shiiiiiit thanks

[spare cloud]

Or abandon the cargo

Learning the hard way

[tired inlet]

NEVER abandon cargo. I wonder if I can refuel my own ship with a starfarer

[frosty sentinel]

refueling with your own ship to your own ship is buggy, as you really do need a pilot in the recieving end for it to not really bug.

when its someone else refueling you or vice versa, its generally been fine

[covert cobalt]

Dumb question, what’s the difference in cargo and freight ships? (I.e the C1 Spirit and the Mercury)

[somber bay]

Nothing really

Most of that terminology is meaningless

Freight usually has a more industrial connotation though

Like the raft is freight because it looks industrial

[covert cobalt]

Gotcha gotcha

[south plaza]

Does the time in sc trade tools assume an upgraded drive?

[shell veldt]

Where is the most profitable area to sell rmc currently?

[coarse ember]

if you're looking for real time your best bet is to just fly to the cities or if you dont mind immediate up to date there uex/sc-trade tools https://uexcorp.space/commodities/info/name/recycled-material-composite/

https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer

[shell veldt]

Thanks

[near swallow]

RMC market may be flooded though, so regardless where you go to sell, you might have to wait a bit in order to be able to sell.

[coarse ember]

sadly, hopefully once the dupe issue is fixed that won't be as common

Tested it myself and yeah it's pretty damn broken, sold cargo in hangar after storing shop, called ship and took it just out of the way of any hangars but still close enough to register and sold the duped cargo for 9 mil

With that being said don't exactly feel great about exploiting a bug but I was curious so I'll just siphon off the extra funds to randoms

[near swallow]

I've done my best to try and avoid the dupe bug. Which may be fixed in 3.23.1a, however the bug with buyable SCU boxes inventory becoming "infinite" and preventing you from putting items into them/taking items out is not fixed in .1a.

[coarse ember]

I've been avoiding it as well also wasn't aware of how to do it until hours ago since I'd rather feel my efforts paying out than some loophole or exploit,

single player games yeah I'll cheat the hell out of but anything entirely online like SC I tend to avoid exploiting any bugs unless absolutely necessary to make core gameplay to work

Also think I had my first piracy attempt experience today, landed at pickers loaded up and went back to my ship and two ships came screeching across the sky just high enough to not smack into the hills around pickers and trailed me shooting until I jumped to a om marker

[nova laurel]

I lost entire weeks worth of trading earlier, server froze up. Being honest trader not using Dupe isn't worth the time and effort. Meanwhile others just make a mockery racking up millions in a hour.

[near swallow]

If you are talking about seeing "Server error please wait" then if you just be patient and wait then you shouldn't lose anything in your ship, but would lose missions. That's the server recovery system that's intended to get rid of server caused 30ks.

[near swallow]

FYI, not sure about Pickers Field, but NPC ships sometimes show up around outposts in 3.23. Been attacked multiple times, while inside armistice, when I was doing Beryl trade runs. (Think the ship, a cutty black, only fires when it goes out of armistice but ends up going back into it, and of course despite being hostile it gets Armistice protection, making it hard to damage it much less shoot it down unless you can get it to follow you away from armistice.)

[nova laurel]

Two ships had cargo and were sent to Storage, then there was a server error, yes I waited but the cargo was never restored.

[near swallow]

Possible that after server recovery you would have to retrieve and re-store the ships for cargo to be able to be sold. (Worked that way with 30k recovery.) However there's also the cargo grid bug currently that may be messing stuff up too. The cargo grid bug should be fixed with the .1a patch.

I generally try to sell cargo without storing the ship in 3.23.1, though some things could cause issues. I found out that if you are landing in a hangar during server recovery, the game may not assign the hangar to you properly after recovery and your ship may get impounded. Wasn't a big issue to me though as I was planning on leaving that ship there, and it's a temporary ship at best. (Avenger Titan ILW loaner.)

[nova laurel]

Yeah I've tried best I can to work around the bugs but it's near unplayable.

[amber onyx]

dunbro wont give me a egister of my ship ...

[spare cloud]

Dunboro is bugged, known issue

[amber onyx]

merci

[burnt crane]

is trading using a ship with a small cargo hold (Taurus) still worth the effort and time?

[spare cloud]

Taurus not small

[burnt crane]

come on lol

compared to things like C2 or caterpillar?

[spare cloud]

It's not 🤷

Anyway
<120 SCU drugs

120 SCU lawful cargo

Worth running, yes.

[burnt crane]

wait i can buy drugs?

[spare cloud]

Yes

[burnt crane]

why don't i do it with large ships?

[spare cloud]

Because drugs are in very limited quantities, they're meant for low volume hauls

You'll find at most 40 SCUs of valuable drug in buy points, and the rest are only fillers

[burnt crane]

40 SCU....

cutty black has 46 SCU cargo space...

drake "we are only making pirate ships" interplanetary

[spare cloud]

MSR is my favorite drug runner.
Just wish it had a S3 shield like the 400i, that is an other good drug runner

Or was. It doesn't fly as great as it did before.

[burnt crane]

aren't the I-series ships basically just luxury ships for showing off?

[spare cloud]

Who said that

You do what you want with your ships

890J has 388 SCUs you can use for trading if you want, just fancy trading, but you can be certain no one is gonna pass through your shield

600i is an excellent ship for bounties with its 3x S5 weapons

[burnt crane]

...well yeah, but so far i can just pick a ship that is better suited for the job than the I-series

my Taurus has 4 S5 guns

C2 almost got double the cargo hold

[spare cloud]

Because there are better options doesn't mean it's bad or can't do it

[burnt crane]

so it can get the job done, but you are just intentionally handicapping yourself to fly a cooler ship

[spare cloud]

No ?

Does your C2 have 1.5m shields HP ?

It's just an example, but if you want to be super safe, that's an option

It doesn't have to be this negative, you're too much into "meta best ftw" stuff

There are just other options, with maybe less profit or efficiency but that offers other stuff with it

[olive gull]

everyone have taste and preferences for some ships and brands, for example i loooove the Terrapin, and use it as much as i can, know its completely useless, but i still love it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt crane]

well yeah

im using a Taurus for everything except mining

even tho there are definitely better options

[olive gull]

if only that tracktor beam could be exchanged for a mining laser...

[burnt crane]

i would invest

i'd be happy with a size 1 mining laser

hell, even just using 1 ROC laser is enough

just give me a small medical area in the very very back and i will never have to leave my Taurus ever again

[spare cloud]

Anyway, a 400i is totally capable of drug trading, and was actually a dope ship for it, with it's S3 shield and great maneuverability and speed.

Ships don't have to be categorized, you can use them for whatever you want.

[lime vessel]

Yeah true the back from the taurus is pretty useless.

[burnt crane]

i mean it's like what

4SCU cargo space? lol

you can definitely put a small med bed in there

[lime vessel]

Yes 4 scu grid

No wait more 6

Normaly there is place for 8 never succeed to put 4 box inside

[burnt crane]

a lot of the ships have minor design flaws that could 100% increase the ship's effectiveness

[spare cloud]

Most of the ships are old

[burnt crane]

i can tell

"lets put 2 very vision-obstructing metal beams right where the pilot's face it lol"

[spare cloud]

That's not old, that's design

[burnt crane]

yeah well that design sucks ass lmao

[spare cloud]

Aquila ftw

[burnt crane]

it's literally the only problem i have with the connie series

that god damn metal beam

without it, it would have been a perfect S-tier design

but because of those metal beams it's an A+ for me

i know they are there to decrease the weird glass costs of the cockpit because that glass is very expensive, but give me a version that costs 1mil more without any beams

[copper lantern]

Hey, very sorry for this quick question - how do you load purchased boxes to ships again? They won't leave my inventory.

... it just showed up on the ground after like, five minutes.

but the regular multi-tool can't move them can they?

Not letting me move it ..

[lime vessel]

I used to spawn the box directly in the ship. Then you can move it to the grid. Normaly inside the ship you can use the tractor beam.

[copper lantern]

I'm utilizing a Hull A, so I would have to spawn it outside of the ship first.

Oh .. I put down another box, it spawned in the floor and flew off to hell ..

Put down another - and it disappeared. Strange?

[lime vessel]

Ok i observed on some stations you can use the tractor beam in the hangar and others not…. Probably half buggy

[copper lantern]

Arrrghhh Everus Harbor won't let you??? This IS INSANE

I JUST WANT TO MOVE THINGS AAAAAAAAAAA

[spare cloud]

You're supposed to be able to use tractor beam in hangars yeah

[copper lantern]

just to make sure im not crazy

This is how I put them on the ground so I can tractor them, right?

[livid siren]

yes

[copper lantern]

And they shouldn't be clipping through the ground and flying into space?

[livid siren]

do it on ur ship grid

[copper lantern]

im using a hull a

[livid siren]

ah maybe thats hull issue

anyway if you snap it to grid it will bug out into nothingness after store

[copper lantern]

How would I transfer all my stuff from one place to another then?

[livid siren]

rent a cutlass

[copper lantern]

Internal storages are small now though.

Ah .. maybe I'll just try this damn cargo box in a different ship and see how it goes.

Unfortunate. Really thought I had a use for my Hull!

[livid siren]

you can also physicalize big stuff (drop inside ship)

bit labour intensive though

[copper lantern]

Definitely a bit!

[olive gull]

i'll advice you not to, those boxes are quite propense to glitch and either not let you store anything or to simply vanish everything inside

[copper lantern]

Oh gosh I realize how small the 8 SCU boxes really are ..

[copper lantern]

How do I transfer all the stuff from my home planet to a station then? No ship has any reasonable amount of capacity.

[uncut crater]

You don't

I lost literally everything this patch by trying

[olive gull]

the cutlass Black is one of the cheapest ships with big inventory, do several trips

[copper lantern]

That really is a shame.

[olive gull]

Welcome to the Verse ! 😋

[copper lantern]

[uncut crater]

It is what it is lol I'm just saying you might want to not make the same mistake as me 😂

[copper lantern]

Yeah I will not do that I guess hahaha

That's a big shame

[uncut crater]

I've usually just thrown everything in the M2 or something and take it to a station on patch day. That didn't work this time 😂

[olive gull]

you are not alone, it also happened to me

[copper lantern]

That's a terrible shame

[uncut crater]

just another day in the verse

it's when SC doesn't kick me in the balls when I get concerned

[burnt crane]

looks at server FPS being 14

[uncut crater]

that's a sign something else is about to go horribly wrong

[copper lantern]

hahaha

PLEASE OPEN

I BEG YOU

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-wahh-wild-go-gif-13490041

LET ME INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[uncut crater]

told you so 😂

[copper lantern]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Huh!

Eventually opened, and I tested the cargo box with stuff from planet - that was not a big deal if I lost it - and it was all still there.

A great day for me, and thus for society!

[torn owl]

I almost lost 1.7 mil of cargo

[uncut crater]

Welcome to cargo gameplay

[torn owl]

My computer turned off for some odd reason but I was able to get back in the game lol

[north oyster]

I was doing a delivery from the refinery, landed then the server went into recovery mode. Lost everything. This build seems to be running worse than it was during ILW

I'm done with 3.23.1, I'll be back in live when .2 drops

[winged musk]

Uhm help?

[delicate oyster]

when does it restock?

[olive gull]

the normal stock refresh is every 15 mins, starting from the last re-stock event not from the time you interacted with the console

a 30k "Server Error" may re-start everything, including this

[delicate oyster]

Alright ty

[olive gull]

there is a known glitch, if you get to sell and it says "No demand", simply store your ship and relog from the menu, it may still say no demand but this time it will let you do the sell

[delicate oyster]

Yeah we stole cargo from a duper so RMC was already full

[cerulean lichen]

Think they will ever make the mule useful for loading cargo?

[winged musk]

Any upgrades to put on a c2?

[olive gull]

all Military grade A, even the QT drive

[winged musk]

and what is that?

[winged musk]

im so poor haha, could barely afford the ROC that is going in it.

[somber bay]

I think it’s for engineering

[olive gull]

ahhh but you could afford the C2 tho...

[somber bay]

Which isn’t in live yet

[winged musk]

I could before they money wiped and that I was able to actually pull my reclaimer lol

[opaque raven]

did they patch duping yet?

[winged musk]

no

[near swallow]

It's a fuse. It'll be used in engineering in 4.0 and in an AC test mode.

[olive gull]

on PTU yes, live no

[near swallow]

It's on PTU

[winged musk]

So right now I cant do anything

[opaque raven]

oh okay so it will soon

[spare cloud]

You know changing shields, coolers and power plant does nothing, why advice so many useless and pricy changes ?

[near swallow]

Possible that pulling the fuse out might disable the ship, but I'm not sure.

[spare cloud]

Just change the QD to a TS-2, only thing to do

[winged musk]

ok thanks! no better gun?

[spare cloud]

Best PvE guns already

M7A rocks

[winged musk]

Ah okay, and what about potential pvp?

because im more scared of pirates.

im using the c2 to carry the roc for mining

[near swallow]

C2 does have one minor glitch about weapons: They clip through the hull when retracted. (aka weapon power off)

The new guns are bigger then the openings in the hull. :b

[winged musk]

damn haha

[spare cloud]

Your only chance is to run away taking advantage of your big shields and health.
The second you switch to NAV you weapons and shields go off, so really there's not PvP perspective with a C2

[sharp cedar]

Is the Aves helmet rare? is it something that someone would want to buy from me?

[near swallow]

Pirates are not that common, unless you're going to the RMC sites or hanging around Yela belt.

PC pirates that is

[spare cloud]

I guess. See in #market-street , that's not the kind of "trading" this channel does

[winged musk]

Id buy it. if you got a full armor set id actually freak out lmao

[sharp cedar]

Yeah just the helmet @winged musk

[near swallow]

BTW, the PTU build (aka 3.23.1a) does not fix the bug with buyable SCU containers where you can't put stuff into them or take items out of them, but apparently you can still use them via the looting interface. However that's not very convenient.

[restive pendant]

why fix anything when you can just let the game be a bugged mess

[uncut crater]

why fix anything when you can just keep telling people some future jesus tech will fix it

[near swallow]

They are fixing stuff. That particular bug just hasn't been fixed in that patch, a .2 patch is coming as well.

[spark crest]

how good is rmc trading?

[uncut crater]

so good that nothing else matters

[spark crest]

cuz i just did a little bit of it and after 3 times coming back someone was campiong rappel and killed me, does that happen a lot?

[uncut crater]

people are upset about dupers

[spark crest]

but does it happen a lot?

[uncut crater]

yeah, fair bit

some people have been reviving ninetails inside TDD lol

[spark crest]

i've seen yeah

[near swallow]

That's why I don't usually do RMC. If you're going to encounter PC pirates/griefers while commodity trading, it's on RMC routes right now.

[spark crest]

ohh

[near swallow]

Beryl is a bit safer, though where to buy depends on how much you can carry.

[spark crest]

i can only carry 24scu

[uncut crater]

in general if you go after the hottest commodity, you'll find pirates/murderhobos/whatever looking to make sure you're not bored

[spark crest]

what would be something i can make a lot of profit from with the nomad? only 24scu

[uncut crater]

fiddle around with this https://uexcorp.space/commodities

at 24 SCU your best possible money would be vice

but something chill like iron, titanium, etc is perfectly viable

[spark crest]

what about WiDoW

[uncut crater]

that'd fall under "vice"

[spark crest]

ohhhh

[uncut crater]

vice = drugs

as long as you know what's involved in drug smuggling, it's good money

[spark crest]

and according to sc trade tools widow would be at raven's roost is that still correct?

[uncut crater]

might be

we can no longer extract that information from the game files and the sites rely on people updating that information

so trust but verify

[spark crest]

alr

[restive pendant]

[warm totem]

What I do with my nomad is back a ROC up into the bed and go mining on Cellin! Go after the Hadonite, now I know that isn't trading or cargo but it's good money. As far as Trading and Cargo I would make a few runs of beryl - or at the very least med supplies - just watch yourself when buying and leaving with your stuff - although generally much less of a target for pirates due to the small cargo size, you can still get griefed. I would avoid RMC, although you may get "let go" there as your clearly not a duper with a Nomad IMO - so those folks out there are looking out "mostly" for the big C2s coming in with approx 8mil to pirate!

[near swallow]

Once you've mined the gems, they do become cargo. 😉

[covert cobalt]

I have joined the C1 gang 🫡

[shell veldt]

Is the cargo bug fixed?

[hot creek]

ROC is fixed?

I remember it being absolutely broken

[warm totem]

the only current issue I have had is not being able to sell directly from the ROC storage - I transfer it to local then can sell...

[warm totem]

Congrats its a beauty! Got me one too - thinking about upgrading it in the future, considering a connie

[shell veldt]

Can’t buy rmc because terminal says my grid is full.

Is this something to do with the bug???

[olive gull]

yes

[opaque raven]

new patch came out did they finally get rid of duping or nah