industrial-professions

[cursive spoke]

if it does not bug out, pretty good

even hauling scrap seams profitable hahaha

[graceful kiln]

profit's never been the issue, it's been the time and tedium. Still more worthwhile to run C2's full of Beryl

still don't understand the thought process between separate trips to the station to sell then buy

[cursive spoke]

inteded as a multi crew, 1 (owner) goes to the admin office. 1 (Pilot) travels to teh cargo deck or so

althou I would agree, as a solo too much time wasted on EVA to admin EVA back then cargo deck.

so a shuttle incorporation wuld be highly appreciated 🙂

at least*

[graceful kiln]

Or, hear me out, eliminate the trip entirely and let me do the buy/sell orders from the mobiglass... or at least, just in one trip to the Admin console instead of two

[cursive spoke]

I hear you, and agree it should be simpler, but if they move it to mobiglass no-one will set foot on the station anymore xD

[mental bobcat]

There should be a screen somewhere on the ship that only becomes active when at a station and it turns into a remote admin terminal.
Do your sales then return to your seat and fly to the loading zone.

OR

Have a new docking area at the cargo level and have a screen there for doing your selling.

[iron rune]

If it's soft death I guess you can detach all the containers and then hard death it so the containers popout/you might be able to clip through it

A Hercules (c2, A2, M2) would be able to handle all of the loot and has a fairly easy time positioning to make the process relatively easy

Oh yeah, there wouldn't be gravity on that reclaimer so the elevator would be super annoying. I'm going to guess the elevator doors on each deck of the reclaimer doesn't stay open either

Probably best to take what's on the outside, if you're able to clip through the ship since it's blown up or use a large tractor beam to move away some of the parts it might help too

Unfortunately no, some ships have tractor beams that you can use to directly load your loading bay.

If the crates are all over the place, you'd probably want a separate operator for because one person would need to pilot to position while the other operates the tractor beam. For example, the c1 or cutlass black

[fair robin]

If it’s soft-death you can fit 3x16SCU’s on the elevator but it’s a pain cause of zero-g. If it’s hard death, usually if there’s still crates inside the Aft you can pull them out through a very large central hole in the fuselage. Hard to explain without showing a photo but when Reclaimers hard-death there’s one big hole that you can move stuff out of.

I only know cause I’ve had bugs where my Reclaimer just fuckin’ implodes after quanting to GH and beginning moving forwards for no reason. So I’ve flown out in my C2 to get all the remaining cargo,

[half heath]

im doing comodity tuns with my c2 rn but it takes about 30 minutes for me to fully sell evereything inside my ship, is there a way to make this prosses faster?

@ me if you got an answer

[spare cloud]

What are you trading, and where ?

[half heath]

rappel to loreville and not 100% sure what that is

im omw there rn so ill tell you if i know how its called

[spare cloud]

RMC ?

It's a route every hauler is doing atm, so makes sense you can only sell lil bits at onces, stock is always high

[half heath]

is there an alternative good trading route then?

[fair robin]

Trade route wise. If it’s a popular run. I take the slight loss and go to the second best selling location. More time but I can sell everything in one go.

So if Loreville is the best option for selling, and Microtech is the second. I’ll make the flight to Microtech

[spare cloud]

Sell at an other TDD, like Area 18

Yeah, NB better

Buys for a little more

[half heath]

whats NB?

[spare cloud]

New Babbage

microTech's main city

[half heath]

ahh oke

so then ill have to go from rappel to nb? and then im able to sell in one go

[spare cloud]

Most likely

[fair robin]

Should be able to sell in one go. I’ve had most of my luck selling at NB.

Also, to speed things up, you don’t need to land at the hangar to then go sell. You can land on the frozen lake (where literally so many other ships land) near The Commons and then run into The Commons to sell at the TDD.

However your ship IS technically at risk of being rammed or griefed, but I’ve never ran into anyone ramming or griefing. I just don’t want you to assume it’s 100% safe since cargo trading is putting your own capitol on the line.

[half heath]

alr thx a lot for the help

[wraith ice]

anyone have an updated hull c trade routes

[spare cloud]

Doesn't have the prices but you should be able to find them easily on tradetools and uexcorp

[feral crane]

Hey whats the prime C2 run that does not cost more than 2 mill to fill?

[spare cloud]

Beryl, from Ita to Lorville.

[feral crane]

What guns should I have on my C2

[spare cloud]

Doesn't matter much if you're just going to trade. Stock ones are fine

[feral crane]

Alr

[spare cloud]

Just need to upgrade the QD

TS-2 is best

[feral crane]

Alr

[mild pumice]

lol

had to take a smol ship to get to it as the docking arm didn't extend, now carrying 3600scu of copper

[mild pumice]

Well I made it to a sell station although it looks like I'm not going to make any profit, that's if I can actually sell. It's stuck on 'processing order'

Well it's actually unloading...

[feral crane]

How much to fill

[mild pumice]

So from the 3600 SCU copper I made about 120k profit, that's really not worth the risk, was over a million investment

But tbh I'm just pleased I got my money back

[feral crane]

Quick question whats best C2 route

That I can do with abt 1.8 mil

[mild pumice]

Couldn't tell you I've not traded in ages, I used to run diamonds from one of the Ryanri Research Microtech to New Babbage was about 100k/run. I hear you can run RMC from some of the new derelict but it's risky

[feral crane]

Ye but its 7.2 mil to fill

[mild pumice]

Oof

This was just a Hull C test today, normally I'm doing salvage

[feral crane]

How lucrative is that and can I join you

[mild pumice]

I'm in a Vulture so I work alone but I get 80k per Cleanup mission plus 140k per for load sold

[feral crane]

Oh

[mild pumice]

300k per 20 mins I guess but limited by missions as quite a few are doing them

[oak ore]

Run full loads of Beryl from HDMS-Ryder to Lorville. It’s like 1.6 million to fill a C2 and the profit is right around 300k per run.
@feral crane

[feral crane]

Thx

[tall karma]

Quit doing that route please. You're killing server FPS for everyone! Rappel is a curse.

[tender gazelle]

to be more precise, Rappel have infinite spawning npcs and will keep on spawning as long as somebody is onsite

[balmy kelp]

Pickers field to a18

[half heath]

I need money

[spare cloud]

There are other places that sell RMC. Pickers field and one more

PatchKid is right, quit rappel

[half heath]

Where is another place to buy RMC?

[spare cloud]

Hurston and microTech

[tender gazelle]

Dunboro on microtech but idk if it was me but i couldnt get my C2 registered to buy RMC from Dunboro the last time though. even sat the fat bitch right on top of the scrap dealer and still nothing

[half heath]

what is the nearest RMC buy place from microtech comodity selling

[half heath]

oh my bad

[tall karma]

Use makers point instead. Sells RMC without the massive server problems

[half heath]

i cant annymore i got shot when i bought evereything... have 0 auc now

[spare cloud]

Don't invest more than 30% of your capital in cargo. General rule if you don't want to find yourself deep in the shit

[balmy kelp]

Pickers field, hurston. Rmc. Sell at a18

[half heath]

Yeah i didnt know that

Just looked up a Video on how to make money and got fked up now

[spare cloud]

Gotta learn it the hard way

We all did

[half heath]

Yup

Still mad abt it tho 😅

[balmy kelp]

I’ve done pickers girls to a18 more than 20, probably more than 40 times without getting pirated this patch

2 million per run if You have 7 to invest

[misty idol]

Rappel

[spare cloud]

That's the one we're recommending against. So no

[misty idol]

Why not

[spare cloud]

Because it's bugged and spawns infinit NPCs

Fucks with the whole server

[misty idol]

If u go rappel no one will be there because of the lag

[spare cloud]

My A2 will be there

[misty idol]

Pickers field is too dangerous

A pirate organisation which im currently fighting against is camping there this week

[tall karma]

When you go to rappel the entire server drops to 2 FPS. I'm going to start just camping the sky of rappel and murder all the cargo ships that approach.

[misty idol]

Do it if u want to

Nobody cares

About 2 mil aUAC

[spare cloud]

Dude likes playing on the worst servers

Intentionally fucks it all up to make money

[tall karma]

It's super irritating that CIG failed to fix this outpost. Hopefully PTU has a fix. People make this run every 20 mins causing the server experience to be dogshit. If CIG doesn't have a quick fix they should just remove RMC from the site. It's like when a semi gets into the left lane on the highway and slows all traffic down for miles causing immense road rage.

[misty idol]

Yo bro for sure

[blazing crest]

where can I make big profits with c2 starting with 400k

[misty idol]

Pickers field

[spare cloud]

Don't invest more than 30% of your capital in cargo. It's gonna big a big loss if you invest any more than that and lose it, to pirates or bugs.
If you have a smaller ships, takes this for now

Or just fill your C2 very little

[jagged wedge]

route /10?

i don't have enough to fill yet but is it a good route?

pretty short too

[graceful kiln]

not enough stock to fully fill a C2 in one trip

so you're gonna be doing about half that, or you'll wait around at a dangerous spot for a while

[jagged wedge]

damn

[graceful kiln]

as always it'll come down to how much actual work you wanna do

minimal work for safe income, Beryl from Ita to Hurston

[jagged wedge]

idc about safety

just wanna make money

[graceful kiln]

not gonna make any money if you get ganked

[jagged wedge]

never been pirated before in 2+ years

[graceful kiln]

also, the high price/margin items tend to not be available in very high amounts

whereas Beryl's effectively infinite supply

IIRC, the highest value, easy supply item currently

[jagged wedge]

yeah i normaly run beryl

[jagged wedge]

how much profit per scu?

[graceful kiln]

bout 500/scu

[jagged wedge]

damn not that much then

ima just run rmc & gold

to fill

[graceful kiln]

I'll keep enjoying my 300k/15min sleeper runs

[jagged wedge]

i have a route thats the same

yela to hurston right?

[graceful kiln]

Ita

[jagged wedge]

Ryder

[graceful kiln]

but yeah

[jagged wedge]

ya its

ita*

i do that but i have switched to salvage for cargo for a bit due to low profit per hour

1.2M Max

i made like 9 million cargo salvaging quant

[graceful kiln]

well yeah

cargo salvage has been hugely pushed

I wouldn't expect it to be perpetual like this

[jagged wedge]

yeah

this is my old route

[graceful kiln]

yup, that's the one. Fluctuates around 300k, ez money

[jagged wedge]

yeah

[graceful kiln]

man, I need a good space truckin'/trading game to tide me over 'till economy stuff's properly in... and the Hulls aren't super tedious with the redundant trips back to admin

[blazing crest]

I am currently doing cargo from pyro to a18 or bajini point

I now have 600k

[spare cloud]

From Pyro ?

[blazing crest]

well the pyro jump point

lol I make about 100k profits for every run but I want more

MORE!!!!

[versed kettle]

What are some good cargo runs for the C2? I'm really new to this and would like to make as much profit as possible!

[blazing crest]

start off with something safe

[blazing crest]

how much do you currently have

[versed kettle]

At the moment around 11 mil, did like one of those RCM runs to area-18, however I luckly got away from pirates but I know they are still around

so im looking for like a ''safer'' option

[blazing crest]

is about 100k per run good for you?

[versed kettle]

If we go higher I assume the risk becomes larger?

[blazing crest]

yes

Wait I think 200k is in your range

[versed kettle]

Whats like the risk for 200/250k?

and where and what should i do

[spare cloud]

Running beryl is nice and safe for a C2

From Ita to Lorville

1.6mil to fill, no wait time.

[blazing crest]

Pyro Jump Point to Area 18

[spare cloud]

Risk is low on anything other than Gold, RMC and drugs.

[blazing crest]

Or degnous root

would work too

but Pyro Jump point sometimes have low inventory of it

[versed kettle]

Alright I can give this route a try

[blazing crest]

its extremely safe though

I had no problems with it

[versed kettle]

I could do something more risk, got some experience in fighting

[spare cloud]

Beryl is the unbeatable safe route for a C2

[versed kettle]

Better then this one?

[spare cloud]

Much better

[versed kettle]

so this?

[spare cloud]

Woodruff or Ryder, doesn't matter. I usually fly to the one of the two that's in sunlight

[versed kettle]

Alright gotcha, Thanks Zorgh!!

Is there also a good comodity that I can buy at lorevil and sell over at Ita, so I get more profit?

[blazing crest]

wait then what is the best trade route for me? with c2 with 600k

[spare cloud]

Nothing that will fill the C2 100% with 600k.
I'd run drugs with a smaller ship.

[blazing crest]

proccessed food can

[spare cloud]

Not saying that you can't fill it. I meant that anything that can fill it ain't worth it

[blazing crest]

oh yeah probably damn

[unkempt skiff]

o7 all. How can i check the resupply timers on certain commodities?

[spare cloud]

You can't. You can only refresh the terminal over and over waiting for it

[unkempt skiff]

thanks, appreciated

[humble elbow]

hello can anyone help me learn to trade cargo

[frank shard]

just saw that the aurora is supposed to have cargo capabilities like 4 scu does it work?

[spare cloud]

It snaps below the tail of the ship. In an akward way that makes the ship land on the cargo instead of the landing gears

[jagged wedge]

did tjey nerf cargo salvaging?

they*

[spare cloud]

Months ago, yeah

[jagged wedge]

Damn

[quartz forge]

Does anyone know where to sell RMC That's marked as unregistered? I found some lying around loreville

[pallid temple]

No Questions Asked terminals

[quartz forge]

Yeah but like which ones take RMC

[pallid temple]

All of them should at least

[quartz forge]

I tried CRU 4 and grim hex and neither took it

[vestal ravine]

You might have to try 2 or 3 times with completely new log ins. I never trust a first sale on ANYTHING!

[half heath]

what is a good trading route without having to wait ages until you can sell evereything

[graceful kiln]

Beryl

[pliant fjord]

well this is unfortunate, anyone know how to fix?

[misty idol]

Is Pickers fiel to ArcCorp or MT still the best cargo route? (With c2)

[misty idol]

Wait

[edgy rapids]

Got a Space Kitten helmet to sell 800k!

[spare cloud]

That's not the channel your looking for

[spare cloud]

Check this

And #market-street

[steady pecan]

How bad is piracy on Pikers

I have been running Rappel with no issues outside for the lag, but never have issues with other players

further is there even anything better then those routes for c2/cats

[misty idol]

Are many people at Pickers field?

Because im a bit scared about pirates

[spare cloud]

I'm buying RMC in my 890J at Pickers

[fair robin]

I’ve brought my whale of a Caterpillar into Pickers plenty of times and haven’t been bothered. If there’s a large ship already there I’ll just hover till they leave and take my turn.

[misty idol]

Ok thx

But it is be much more dangerous if little ships are there, isnt it?

[spare cloud]

Little ships are the one you care about

A big ship is just an other like you doing some trading

[tall karma]

Stop running Rappel it trashes server FPS for everyone. Pickers is probably fine 90% of the time. Just do your due diligence, ping the area, look for ships, scan any ships you see to see if the are owned by "GameRules" (which means abandoned), and dont linger too long.

Also, if the comm array is down on Hurston be extra careful. Most of the time it has nothing to do with cargo hauling since people are running Vaughn bunkers, but doesn't hurt to be cautious.

[steady pecan]

yea I didnt know Rappel had that effect thanks for the heads up

[half heath]

i try to do some cargo runs but evereywhere i go its all sold out, is there a way to fix this or is it just pure luck

[spare cloud]

Anyone else can only use 288 of 388 SCU in the 890J ?

There's 100 SCU I can't use, they're marked as filled, but with what, I don't know

[tall karma]

Explodey/claimy time?

[opaque kettle]

im grinding for an 890 doing cargo atm best route so far been micro to crusader with beryl

[hollow sedge]

Any1 know why I can't buy slam into my rented RSI andromeda? Are you not able to do it with rented ships? It keeps saying transaction error/failed.

[spare cloud]

microTech <-> crusader with beryl ? You're making it very long.
You can do Ita <-> Hurston with Beryl, it's much faster

And there's always stocks, no wait time

[spare cloud]

Buy all of the slam but one. It's not because of your ship, or because of rental.

[spare cloud]

I guess, but I expect it not to work, since the 100 SCUs I can't use are in the walls of the 890J

[burnt storm]

Does anyone have this but updated to include the gateway stations?

[toxic citrus]

This one?

[burnt storm]

Bless

[glass laurel]

How much buffer money should I have before RMC running?

[spare cloud]

General rule is don't invest more than 30% of your capital. No matter if you have 100k or 5mils

[edgy rapids]

whats the current trade meta for C2's

[spare cloud]

Risk free, beryl.
Most rewarding and risky, RMC.
Both around Hurston tho you can trade RMC around mT too

[hollow sedge]

Is there a way to check live SLAM inventory? Usually I have to do back and forth runs from PRIVATE PROPERTY and The Orphanage if there's like 5 SCU of stock available.

[north oyster]

High Risk or solid income runs?

[balmy kelp]

what commodites should i look out for now when doing ERTs?

[north oyster]

if you get a C2 full of RMC, you've hit the motherlode

[balmy kelp]

okay. how about if its not rmc, i know quantanium is a lot. but what else?

[north oyster]

When running those missions, you'll probably have to leverage whatever you find to turn it for extra profit. Hopefully someone else can help with the question because I do mainly cargo/trade/mining and salvage - not ERTs

[grim spade]

Okay, so I am looking for an excuse to buy a C2

what kind of Trading could I do with it? I have 0 experience

[spare cloud]

This ⬇️ Or you could kit it with 2x S5 weapons, run ERT bounties and steal their cargo, that you can sell at scrap yard for a few hundred thousands, a few millions if you're lucky.

[grim spade]

wouldnt the M2 variant be better for guns?

[spare cloud]

A2, M2 or C2, they have the same pilot guns.

[grim spade]

oh cool

also TF is the A2

[spare cloud]

Bomber variant

Grid is three times smaller, but internal space is basically the same, so you can as much as in a C2 off grid.

Also since amount of cargo in ERT isn't big, A2 is enough already.

But if you want to do trading on top of ERTs, just go with the C2

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-a2-bomber-bombing-starlifter-gif-25673943

[gritty oak]

what are ert's?

[spare cloud]

Highest level bounties

[hollow sedge]

How do I do SLAM runs efficiently? Should I hop servers if they are low inventory?

[iron rune]

The inventory should be sync across servers so it shouldn't make a difference. There are probably a few different places to find SLAM

[spare cloud]

Stocks are shared across servers of a same region. They're different from a region to an other.

[unkempt skiff]

Anyone running hull c atm?

[iron rune]

Oh so it'd be worthwhile to hop regions then

[void nebula]

Is trading a good way to earn the first bucks to upgrade ships and gear?

Or mining is a better option?

I was having a blast doing that in Elite Dangerous. But those NPC interdiction became kinda annoying.

[spare cloud]

Not really. You need enough money to invest in your cargo first.
Bounties, bunkers, or getting in a party with experience players is good to start making money

[thin vortex]

anyone know the best place for cargo rn?

[north oyster]

Heph from Pyro Jump Point to Area 18 is a nice run also. Earn about 250K each run in C2

[amber surge]

I just lost 4 mil cuzz i glitched out of my ship in quantum drive whilst trading rmc

End me pls

[spare cloud]

Could have made a transport beacon to your stranded ship

[lost bluff]

youll live welcome to hauling :)

[amber surge]

I didn't know I am new to trading

And it was my first haul and all my money

[lost bluff]

only spend a 3rd of how much you have

and expect to lose more cargo in the future

[light mulch]

So I wanted to test out the Hull-C, first timer. Bought a bunch of waste just to get used to the mechanics.

Where the hell do I sell it, haha

[frigid sentinel]

refinement centers will buy waste

arc L4, MIC L5, etc

[light mulch]

Just sold it all at Everus. Had a weird fps bug, was stuck at 10fps. Went to dock and CTD'd. 😄

Feel so fucking sorry for the poor sods who put down money on the Hull C

[delicate smelt]

got a load of construction material to sell after doing my first salvage mission, struggling to to find somewhere that will buy it, still a bit green in this game.

[tall linden]

Major cities will buy

GH too

[lost bluff]

hull c doesnt work its broken peoples game so much that they needed to fully reset their acc

[misty idol]

Where to buy rmc

[misty idol]

?

[near swallow]

I use this site to figure out where to buy/sell stuff: https://uexcorp.space/

[honest radish]

Go to the admin office at Grim Hex, they pay the most, but you can go to any admin office or TDD in Orion's, New Babbage, Area 18 or Lorville

[near swallow]

According to uexcorp Grim Hex does not pay the most for construction materials. I'd only go there if I had some that were considered unregistered. (Like when I found a whole big pile of them dumped at a mining area.)

[rugged canyon]

looking for someone who can teach me and set me up a prospector or mine with me on my mole (that was a bad choice ) if so all create a discord chat

[lime nova]

where can one acquire some RMC

oh UEX has it

nvm'

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[delicate smelt]

Headed for grim hex after reading a Reddit post online 👍

[vestal ravine]

That's a pirate hangout please be careful. The place has cool armor!

[delicate smelt]

I noticed that yesterday as I had to buy replacement after dying out in the verse due to dehydration 😄

[coral shale]

Now that bounty targets give shit cargo and brios is always a ghost town, what’s the new go-to spots to camp at for piracy?

[spare cloud]

RMC spots

[coral shale]

Don’t people just sell that in major cities tdd?

[spare cloud]

They do. Can sell in GH too

[coral shale]

That sounds very safe for the traders lol

[spare cloud]

It's a major city 🤷

Safe ? Ppl invest 7 mils to fill their C2 in RMC, in spots that aren't in an armistice zone, with no escort. Comms have been down everytime I went to Hurston

[coral shale]

How many spots are there to buy the rmc?

[spare cloud]

3

2, if you forget rappel

[coral shale]

The only spots to buy them are not armistice?

[spare cloud]

Yeah

None of the 3 are in AZs

[coral shale]

Hmm okay

[honest radish]

Bare in mind pirating isnt just shooting someone up, make demands of them like a fee to pass or something. If you just shoot people up and blow up their ship without trying to steal it your name will get passed around the server and everyone will just come find you lol

[spare cloud]

You can kill them without a warning, as long as you're actually here for money.

Doesn't matter if you get em to pay a fee or if you kill em then steal cargo, in both ways you're pirating

If you're just here for the killing, then you're a murder hobo 🤷

[iron rune]

It's similar pirating to when camping the gold selling facilities right?

[teal ridge]

How much is a maxed out vulture worth? Is it recommended to strip a ship or munch a ship?

[honest radish]

do 80k missions under personal, munch and print, fill hold and fill hopper

[teal ridge]

if i done 80k missions, can i sell the material at one place?

[teal ridge]

where do u sell the material

[civic epoch]

Tried my first cargo running today, after picking up a Freelancer MAX. That was pretty fun. I just bought and sold Widow a few times, and managed to make 1.8M . I was surprised to not deal with any pirates or murder hobos. I must have been lucky.

[spare cloud]

Orbital space stations, galleria, admin office

[teal ridge]

where do u buy and sell widow?

[peak snow]

What's the "meta" C2 trade route?

I'm aiming to get myself a Hull C

[honest compass]

rappel to area 18

[peak snow]

never mind, just got pirated out of all my auec

[honest compass]

thats the risk

[tender gazelle]

Rappel to crash the server sure, have fun with the infinite npc respawns. people really need to quit recommending Rappel TILL the infinite respawns get fix....

100% true and tested location that people seem to be AFRAID to recommend be Picker's Field to any of the spaceport cities

[peak snow]

Which commodity would y'all recommend?

I hate waiting for stock to resupply for an hour

[spare cloud]

Beryl and RMC have no wait times. Beryl is safe, RMC risky af.

Just please don't go to rappel.

We enjoy playing the game on servers with more than 3 sfps

[rugged canyon]

anyone got a trader rought thats safe im down to about 2m left

i mean 1m left but i own a c2

[spare cloud]

Beryl from Ita to Lorville is safe. But takes 1.6 mils to fill a C2. Don't invest more than 30% of your capital, make money not 100% filling your C2 until you can really afford it

[rugged canyon]

whats ita

[spare cloud]

Moon, around Hurston

[rugged canyon]

im newer to the game

ok what mats am i grabbin

[rugged canyon]

o ok

[frozen locust]

so i often buy larinite from mryers and tram mining on cellin out in crusader and take it to arcorp area 18 to sell but im thinking would it be more profitable to take it out to new babbage?

[worthy quiver]

Can someone tell me how to do cargo?

[zenith maple]

You travel to A and buy X, then travel to B and sell X

thats the basics, then you can mix in some salvage missions and bounty hunting if you want to not risk your own money as much

you have sites like !trade to help you plan out the A to B trading

https://sc-trade.tools/

And youtube is a great resource for guides, ollie43 has some easy to follow stuff for example

[worthy quiver]

Does jumptown Stanton crusador mean I buy at Stanton sell at crusador

[zenith maple]

Mobile makes it a bit worse to see on the gui, but you buy at jumptown and sell at the admin at grim hex on that first one

and jumptown at yula, that is part of crusader

[worthy quiver]

Ok

So what I buy at crusador I sell at grim

[zenith maple]

the location is "starsystem, region, planet/moon, location". So stanton, crusader, yula, jumptown to stanton, crusader, yula, grim hex and then admin office at grim hex

yes, that is one way, just be aware, jumptown isnt the safest place to be a lot of the time

[worthy quiver]

Ok

[vestal ravine]

Neither is Grim Hex they will crush you fast.

[frozen locust]

what planet do i buy a ROC on?

[worthy quiver]

I did some salvaging tried to go to grim hex got shot at a ton and had to jump out fast

[vestal ravine]

If you are around Crusader just take it to Orison. GRIM hex has cool armor and guns just visit without cargo.

[wooden kraken]

Anybody need any salvage cargo ran if you want to avoid landing to sell, I’ll rendezvous and buy on site.

[spare cloud]

#looking-for-session

[wooden kraken]

Thanks

[small berry]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[frozen elk]

Is it just me, or does SC Trade Tools feel... off somehow?

If I search for routes with a Hull C and only want to travel between space stations and lagrangian points, just about every route it comes up with has me traveling between jump points.

But if I then compare those trips to trips I've already ran and recreated on UEXCorp's calculator, I see that those locations aren't optimal at all?

Take for instance this route, which is buying Distilled Spirits at 474 and selling them at 547. According to UEX Corp, Distilled spirits can be sold at Baijini 566, which would make total profit go from 336,384 to 423,936., That's a significant difference I'd say.

Ah crap, I see where the issue lies. Baijini can't buy more than 160 SCU at a time, with a refresh of 2scu/min.

[frozen elk]

However, the Magnus JP would still buy it at 555 per SCU, but is about twice as far.

[north oyster]

NEW LIVE PATCH COMING TONIGHT Make sure all ships are empty and also inventory in ship (if you use it) is moved to the storage on your home landing zone. Much may be lost with this update including purchased ships. If you have a ship be sure to spawn it in the ASOP and then stow it again. This should set the long term persistency table. Purchased ships are at risk of being lost along with all the other stuff.

[north oyster]

all the data is static and also the current patches don't include a lot of the information that earlier patches did that allowed the websites to document commodities and pricing.

Also, pricing changes ALOT regardless, so you can't ever have a current price of what you can buy or sell an item for

[peak snow]

Sc trade tools is still only updated to 3.21

[frozen elk]

Oh I’m well aware. It’s just that I overlooked a bunch of details that you have to deal with when trading on a Hull C. Like availability and demand.

[peak snow]

Yeah fair
Uexcorp.space is better I think, at least it's more detailed

Im saving for a Hull C at the moment, despite me having a C2

(I dislike crusader ships)

[frozen elk]

Tbh, the Hull C relies on cheaper commodities in bulk. You might be able to make more money with a C2 really.

Plus I’m running consistently into an intermittent fps bug within the cockpit

If you have a lower end gpu, you will definitely notice it.

I drop from the already abysmal 18fps all the way down to 2.2fps.

[peak snow]

Oh you can definitely make more money with a C2

I've got an AMD 580xt, I get maybe 30fps on a good day... Could be that I'm on Linux tho

[frozen elk]

580xt? I’m on an RX580. AFAIK there were no XT versions of that?

But yeah, FPS is eh… measured in single digits often.

[peak snow]

Could be an RX580, I forget lmfao

I've been thinking about upgrading though, to a 7800xt

[full sapphire]

Do you know by what time we should do that?

[full sapphire]

What dont you like about the C2? I currently haul using the FreelancerMAX and the C2 is my goal right now.

[peak snow]

It's a great ship, don't get me wrong

I just dislike it personally because the ai voice is nasty for it, and everyone loves the c2

It's the meta hauler

[north oyster]

They posted We are currently on track to release 3.22.1 to LIVE later this evening. We are expecting it to be a bit after 18:00 CST | 00:00 UTC. (in 6 hours)

[peak snow]

I personally prefer the Caterpillar and Hull C

[north oyster]

Hull C game play is very lacking still, and earnings seem to be capped. Still has some bug issues in some of the space stations also

For the vast majority of 3.22 patch, I only spawned the C2

[peak snow]

Hull C can earn at most like 300k per run afaik, not bad but not great

[north oyster]

Yeah, I do that in the C2 running Heph or beryl

[peak snow]

Still no idea how to use uexcorp

[full sapphire]

How do they do with defending from pirates? I upgraded my shields after getting blown up a few times and now I havent gotten attacked since. lol

[peak snow]

Uh
The catty is Drake so it's mucho fragile I think

And the Hull C, I dunno

All your trading is in space, so you don't really need to worry about being pirated as much

[north oyster]

Marauders aren't much of an issue for me because I trade in the major lanes. I don't try to do the RMC run to the scrap yard or anything. 255K aUEC in 25 minutes from logging in to TDD sale. Not terrible.

[north oyster]

MOTD 3.22.1 has been delayed until tomorrow

13:00 UTC

[peak snow]

Yep, pirates tend to hang around outposts on planets

It would take a hell of an organized pirate group to camp the big trade lanes

They'd have to set up camp in deep space with a mantis, and wait

It's often more feasible to camp outposts and dampen the target there

[north oyster]

Yeah, I have a small trade run from Beniji to Area 18 that earns 255K aUEC and is totally safe and fast

[peak snow]

Whaaaat

Tell meeeee

I'm assuming C2?

[north oyster]

Yes, in the C2 running Heph (sp?)

Buy in is about 1.6M aUEC, sell is 1.85M aUEC (normally)

[peak snow]

Damn

[north oyster]

The station can run low, so you can back fill with something else

[peak snow]

Hell, I live in A18/Bajini already

[north oyster]

Fun thing is that if you only have about 30 minutes to make a quick buck, this is the run

You can also run over to Jump Point Pyro for the exact same product with no limits. It's a little further, but a good clean run

[peak snow]

Damnnmnm

So that's 500K/hour ish

[north oyster]

yep, I try to make that run twice per day when I don't have time to play much. Suddenly Wallet is fat and happy

[full sapphire]

dang. ive been doing this for only a couple weeks now, but ive been trying to run diamond from wala to new babbage

[peak snow]

I'm saving for the Hull C at the moment, so goddamn that'll take a few weeks of grinding

[north oyster]

Wow, Paul, that's a long run

[full sapphire]

makes 40-50k/run

[north oyster]

what ship?

[full sapphire]

freelancer max

[north oyster]

Good ship

[peak snow]

Honestly with that size, look at drug running

120 SCU is decent but but not a whole lot

[north oyster]

I'd suggest try Gold from SCD-1 on Daymar to Area 18 for that size ship

Backfill with Beryl

[full sapphire]

i did try gold from there yesterday but i kept getting an error. so i just filled with beryl

[north oyster]

Upgrade your QT to a Crossfield

[north oyster]

for that error, back off one 1 SCU

[full sapphire]

That is on my list

[north oyster]

the last SCU is what errors out

[peak snow]

Hmm, RMC is profitable in MC

[north oyster]

and dangerous

[peak snow]

7.6 mil buy in but 9.4 mil profit

All in MC

[full sapphire]

ahhh. good to know

[peak snow]

But that's a high risk area at the moment

[north oyster]

I'm a lazy man's guide to cash type of player

[north oyster]

MAX is also one of the BEST ships for ROC mining.

[peak snow]

Lazy Mann's guide to the C2 starlifter

I'm assuming all of Microtech is a high risk area at the moment?

[spare cloud]

It's actually the worst ATM.
Its ping is bugged, it won't show any cluster around.

[north oyster]

ROC mining FUBAR in current build but works really well in 3.22.1

[spare cloud]

ROC mining works yeah, I'm talking about the MAX

[north oyster]

Ah, ok, I missed that, thanks

I had switched to the C1

I wonder if that's been fixed for 3.22.1

CRAP!! Oh Well, another MOTD

MOTD Update
Star Citizen 3.22.1 LIVE alpha is still on schedule to go live tonight once the servers and databases are warmed. We are estimating this to be sometime early evening CST!

[full sapphire]

When you haul - do you only haul one way full or do you try to take something back the other way?

[north oyster]

It is ideal to have cargo both ways, but that particular route only offers trade one way

If you look around, there might be options, but I was focused on "shortest time, fastest cash"

[full sapphire]

makes sense

[north oyster]

Ray's Guide review of trading in the HULL C ... well worth the watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pgxRE4KFeQ

Summary: Viable but Problematic

[peak snow]

Lovely

[proper jungle]

the hull C is on my shit list for not being able to load up boxes from other players ships....

haven't flown it in awhile

[worthy quiver]

I was on a moon with a bunch of gold cargo in my ship how do I respawn my ship without losing the cargo It’s 70k in gold

[limpid sluice]

From before the patch went live?

[vestal ravine]

Love that guys voice but not so much the Hull C.

[worthy quiver]

No

[north oyster]

Yeah, Daniel Raymond does a great job. His reviews on technical aspects are spot on. I appreciate how he covered all the challenges with the Hull C as it is currently implemented in the game

[north oyster]

If this was after the new build 3.22.1 going live, then you WAIT ... give it a day. I had a 600i that I had just landed on a moon that I was doing to do some exploration and had a ROC inside of it. Suddenly had a 30K crash. The "claim" tag was on it for a day, then it finally showed up at my home port. It may spawn at your last port of call. Just watch to see if the location changes because then you can go to that station/city and spawn it like normal.

[frozen elk]

Does anyone know if the loading cube for the Hull C is bugged at Tressler?

Keeps complaining about something else being in the loading area, but it appears to be entirely clear, except for my Hull C obviously

[teal ridge]

anyone here have a carrack?

[iron rune]

I see you've posted in #flight-combat-racing as well, you may have better luck in #looking-for-session

[teal ridge]

Em no I want to ask about cargo.. will we have to manually remove cargo at some stage in the game? Like if I had a full carrack of cargo

[iron rune]

oh. That's different XD sorry

[iron rune]

but yeah, that seems to be the direction they're wanting to go with it.

We'd have to physically load and unload our own cargo from ships/vehicles. They did mention some option where you pay some credits to get it done for you

with the Carrack, they mentioned some issues with getting the cargo pods to open/become accessible and that's all I remember so far

[teal ridge]

I’d probably be lazy about it lol it’s some ship even just to live in

[iron rune]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/50259/thread/3-23-anvil-carrack-cargo-pod-access-q-3-23-freight

There's some talk about the Carrack cargo pods from devs in this Spectrum Thread

[rapid vault]

i cant sell my salvage at orison

first run and i am confused

[somber ginkgo]

might be no demand for the salvage. youll have to wait a bit for the demand to go back up. i believe its 50 SCU/min at orison?

by no demand, i mean that the local storage is full. basically meaning other people have sold the maximum amount to the vendor.

[last osprey]

is there anyway to tell ahead of time if there is no demand for something at a commodity trader terminal?

[iron rune]

I don't think so. You just have to check or ask someone to

[shell veldt]

Anyone know what lorville is paying for rmc right now?

[spare cloud]

https://uexcorp.space/commodities:RECY

[shell veldt]

Nothing more accurate? Area 18 isn’t 14,170 it’s more like 13,4xx.

[spare cloud]

Can vary depending on demand. Nothing more accurate. Nothing can track real time.

[shell veldt]

Ok, thanks… wondering if anyone on has been there recently.

[covert girder]

In case you want, I believe the site Zorgh send you has a submit data feature where you can provide the updated price. In case you get to a place and it’s wrong you can submit the updated price so others have a more accurate data.

[shell veldt]

Alright, thanks

[north oyster]

Trade has gone well, got a short C2 route that pulls about 255K aUEC in 30min. Probably switching to mining now. Maybe go off the grid ROC mining for a few weeks

[zenith maple]

how much do you put in of your own money for those 250k?

[peak snow]

Is the RMC from Pickers field to A18 a good route?

Seems to be a huge profit margin

[spare cloud]

It's the biggest profit route. A risky route too.

No waiting times, but no AZ, so watch out

[peak snow]

No armistice at pickers?

Sheeesh

Big risk big reward stuff

[frozen elk]

Heads up: if you log into SC to go haul with the C, make sure you can get onto the C first. Don't buy cargo first and then find out your C is cursed because claiming your C with unclaimed cargo... forfeits the cargo.

[peak snow]

Well, i got a 30k with 9 million worth of construction materials in my C2

Should i let 30k recovery work overnight?

[iron rune]

unless you can find a way back to your C2 (on the correct server no less) then... probably

@peak snow

[peak snow]

Good to know. Here's hoping I get it back

[spare cloud]

That's not possible. Server crash, everything is gone. 30k protection will have your stuff back, but there's no flying back to where it was

With a 30k comes a PES reset

[teal ridge]

Guys, what is the best cargo material and cargo run? Give me a few ideas

[limpid sluice]

Is it correct that commodity inventory is shared across shards, but not regions? If im having trouble selling cargo at a specific location, i should be able to hop regions and try again?

[teal ridge]

No point asking anything, it’ll be a miracle if anyone actually answers

[limpid sluice]

I'm not really an expert, but I'd say it depends on how risky you wanna be. RMC has the biggest profit margin, but also riskiest. You can run from Pickers Field or Rappel to A18, i think that's the fastest/shortest run.

[iron rune]

the RMC route provided by @limpid sluice will be riskier but yield higher profits.

The routes I've included will be safer but lower profits

[teal ridge]

I’m looking for less risky stuff like landing pad to landing pad runs

[iron rune]

Yeah, the Beryl listed above should give you a nice start

[teal ridge]

Which route is fastet on this list

[iron rune]

I think the top 2 since they say 14 minutes and 33 seconds

rule of thumb is not to spend more than 30% of your total auec on buying in on cargo since there is still some risk

[teal ridge]

So I have a carrack and you’re saying don’t fill it up ?

Sorry me and maths don’t get on 🤣

[spare cloud]

It is.

[spare cloud]

The beryl routes above are kinda lame compared to Ita -> Lorville.
It never runs out of stock, and is very safe.

It's slightly less rewarding than those above, but well, never runs out of stock, no waiting time, ever.

[iron rune]

if you only have 2 million auec, it isn't advised to spend it all on your cargo shipment. If you lose it (game instability, accidents, piracy, etc.) you'll be in a hole

30% of say 2 mil is 600k

[teal ridge]

Yeah I get ya well I want a nice calm route just to play the game a bit and do different things but I definitely like to land where pads are etc

[spare cloud]

Yeah, don't invest morethan 30% of your capital so you can recover from bad stuff

[teal ridge]

From what I can see it would be about 1 million with the carrack full load and sell for €1.2 million that’s with beryl so what’s 30 per cent what’s a safe number here

[iron rune]

300k

[teal ridge]

Alright thanks guys I’ll go on a run now

Arc 141 is on which planet 🪐

[spare cloud]

Maybe it says it on the screenshot idk

[teal ridge]

Found it

[peak snow]

Dunboro is another excellent spot, but it is in Microtech so the run takes a bit longer

Not really a concern with a TS-2, but it seems to be very pirate-free

[spare cloud]

You can sell in any TDD tho, doesn't have to be A18

[peak snow]

Yep, Hurston and Babbage often seem to be full on RMC though

[spare cloud]

Which makes sense with the RMC buy points being on those planets

[peak snow]

Yep

Gonna try Crusader or A18 next

Orison seems to be the highest selling point but we'll see, cuz Grim gets a lot of RMC because of the reclaimers

*construction mats not RMC

[spare cloud]

Reclaimers at GH sell CM

Too late

They don't bother with the RMC

[peak snow]

I'm used to saying RMC cuz of 3.21 salvage lmfao

I pledged for a vulture back then and man oh man hull scraping is relaxing

So I've just gotten used to calling it RMC and not construction mats

[hollow sedge]

New to cargo trading. Have the cutlass black which can hold some cargo. Are there any decent/ok routes I can take to get a feel of the trade and how it works?

[peak snow]

uexcorp.space and sc-trade.tools are valuable assets to trade with

Word of advice, never take the highest rated routes if you're solo

You'll likely get pirated

[teal ridge]

Question with the cargo, I’m at arc 141. I’ve selected the carrack and I’ve selected I want to buy BERYL, when I go to max buy it only allows like 22scu and not only that it will say transaction failed ?

It let me buy Tungsten instead ?

[iron rune]

Try buying 96 instead of 97. It's a weird bug sometimes. Also, maybe their supply was being bought out somewhere else in the region

[hollow sedge]

Everything on there is SLAM for my ship. And at strange locations which i cant find, like Jumptown.

[near swallow]

I would use this website for figuring out your own trade routes. https://uexcorp.space/

[peak snow]

well, i officially lost 9 million

my client crashed, then the server 30k'd while i was trying to relog

so i've got 3 mil left to trade with

the route has a 7 mil initial investment too, so i gotta find an alternative

time to run gold i guess

[peak snow]

Made it all back, took all afternoon but I'm finally back in the green

[peak snow]

Is the Hull C still bugged?

[teal ridge]

Yeah done a cargo run but like didn’t make a lot lol I’ll need a more risky root!

[jolly glen]

Hi everyone. Trying to learn more about trading.

What are the places I should avoid at all cost ? (for piracy reason)

[spare cloud]

There's nothing to avoid at all costs, you just have to be careful when going to a known dangerous place. Don't fly straight to it, fly around it, stay at QT altitude, and keep pinging.

[jolly glen]

What are the known dangerous places, that's what I'm trying to figure out

[spare cloud]

The only place I would avoid at all cost is Rappel, because it spawns infinite enemies and make the server bug.

[spare cloud]

Any place that's part on the most rewarding routes.
RMC routes, gold routes, drug routes.

[jolly glen]

ty so any places that sell or buy one of those, got it !

[spare cloud]

Use !tradetools and uexcorp.space to see what are those routes

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[frozen elk]

The Hull C loop is risky with very little reward imo. The biggest issues for me arise with docking, which I "solved" by just hovering it near the pads (which generally happen to be very close to the cargo loading spots.

Cargo loading spots in general work, although I've had major issues with one spot at Tressler where the system insisted there was something in my cube.

That resulted in an audio loop that lasted roughly 1.5-2hrs of the cargo voice lines getting spammed non stop, one after another. Eventually had to forfeit 650K+ in copper (only about half a load, thankfully).

When you first log on and spawn the ship in a hangar, make sure you can actually get out of the hangar and the spindles aren't invisibly extended. Similarly, when it spawns on a docking arm, make sure you can get onto the ship without falling through it. If either you fall through or can't get the ship out of the hangar you'll have to claim the ship. The issue here is that cargo you purchase is linked to a specific ship and doesn't transfer to a freshly claimed on. Hitting the claim button essentially forfeits the cargo.

Over the weekend I've ran about 15 hours of Hull C routes. The first day went pretty okay, docking and all. The second day I lost quite a bit more than I made the first day due to the above bugs. The third day I experienced a bunch of bugs as well and lost even more. AFAIK I barely broke even at the end of the weekend.

Obviously there's a ton of annoyances. Before you can buy or sell anything, you'll have to dock / park and make your way to the Admin office, set up your purchase or sale and then make your way to the magic green cube.

If you have commodities to sell, you'll have to set up the sale first, get into the cube, then back to admin, set up the purchase and back into the cube. It takes a bit of time, but with the fragility of the servers of late, I'm somewhat okay with it considering I can make a judgement call on whether or not I want to buy another load on the server I'm on at that point. A lot can change in 5 minutes of unloading. Rappel can happen for instance.

Also, while you can buy multiple commodities at once and have them loaded all in one go, you can NOT sell multiple commodities at once. Once you've set up the sale of one commodity, you will have to go to the cube and unload. You'll have to repeat that cycle for every single commodity you want to sell.

If you happen to have bought more than your destination can accept in one go... good luck. If you have 4608SCU of commodity A onboard and your destination only accepts 160SCU max, you will be setting up a sale, get into the cube, back to admin and repeat for a total of 29 times.

Hailing the cargo channel doesn't always immediately yield a cube either, sometimes it takes two hails, sometimes 10. Minor issue imo, just set one of your MFDs to the Comms screen.

And.. all that, for arguably very marginal profits.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101682569000538193/1211150206301638756/image0.jpg?ex=65ed2687&is=65dab187&hm=04a074e15c5e2d04fc960106e20629c60ec79519bb6ff0044c58185b65a302f2&

That's a give or take 2hr loop

[peak snow]

Yikes

I've been looking on uexcorp, and medical supplies seem to be profitable?

[frozen elk]

Provided you can sell them yes.

[peak snow]

Fair enough

Maybe I'll stick to RMC in the C2 for now, until the fix the hull c

[frozen elk]

You can only buy MEDS at Terra with the C, and while you can unload them at a number of stations, they'll all only take a very low amount. I was lead to be believe you could sell them in bulk at the Pyro gateway station, but the one time I took it there I could only sell 600SCU at a time.

[spare cloud]

CIG market APIs when

Make tradetool great again

[frozen elk]

According to the graphic shared here a little while ago, it should be possible to take MEDS to the Magnus gateway station, but that's a bit of a gamble. Especially considering the distances involved.

That said, it'd be a 7.6M investment with a 1.26M profit margin.

But yeah, if you get there and you can only unload 600scu at a time... you're going to be stuck there for a while doing the back and forth dance.

[peak snow]

Similar to my current RMC run in terms of investment/profit

[frozen elk]

True. But quite a bit longer of a trip with a bunch of extra risk involved.

[peak snow]

Yep

I'll try the run with the C2, see what the stock is like

[frozen elk]

Stock at Terra is pretty much unlimited.

Demand is the metric you kinda want to know about beforehand

[peak snow]

According to uex, I can take em to pretty much any Lagrange point

[frozen elk]

Sure, but again, limited demand

[peak snow]

Fair enough

[frozen elk]

Granted, this is somewhat out of date data iirc, but that shows that CRU-L1 does indeed take MEDS, but only 10SCU max with an additional <1SCU /min demand

Even with a C2 you'd be sitting there roughly 12 hours

[peak snow]

Hm

[hollow sedge]

Which QT is good upgrade for C2 hercules starlifter?

[peak snow]

TS-2, fastest S3 drive

[hollow sedge]

Thanks

[near swallow]

Beryl is basically my goto when it comes to commodity trading with my MAX. I was going to try and do gold once, but there was a very limited supply and trying to buy it didn't work anyways. RMC I figure is what most of the pirates would be after. I was once setting up to potentially do an RMC run, after first checking it out with a fighter while my freighter was parked in armistice at an outpost, but a 30k hit.

[hollow sedge]

does hull c work again

[thick finch]

Ive been basing Cru L1 doing salvage missions. Filling the max up from the vulture until its full. Id say about 4 hours to fill the max and get over 1mil profit. I always sell at Orison since its more profitable and Im taking large amounts, plus the Max gets through Orison pretty nice.

[civic epoch]

How are you transferring from the vulture to the max?

[thick finch]

from the pads

theres pads you can park the ship on and access the space station, get the max from the hangar and the vulture will still be on the pad.

Then I fill her up and put her back in

[civic epoch]

Oh, that's cool. i didn't know you could get more than one ship out at the same time.

[thick finch]

Yes I think the limit is 3\

[thick finch]

I do believe you need the leave the station atleast once and return though in the session. I have never tried pulling both out without one already being registered as out.

[civic epoch]

Gotcha. I had been trying to figure out how to be able to let one of my friends fly my vulture, and I just run boxes to my Max parked beside it in space. I will experiment with this tonight. Thanks for the valuable info!

[thick finch]

yea when you leave the hangar with the first, go far enough to lose comms with the station, then you can turn around put it on a pad and get another.

[spare cloud]

There's no limit

[spare cloud]

And you don't need to leave the station first either

[civic epoch]

I've only recently started to run a few cargo loops. Just to see if they are any fun. One thing I have noticed is that every time (with both a Freelancer Max and a Cutlas Black) that I go get a full load of some resource planet side and start a QT to my destination, it will 30K mid flight, or right after I request landing at destination. Doing other loops such as mining, etc. I hardly ever get a 30k. Is that a common experience for folks doing cargo loops? CIG has done an amazing job for recovering from the 30k's. I have not lost a single load of cargo or personal items as a result.

[timber spoke]

tbh, I haven't had any 30k problems with cargo. But my friend also mentioned losing millions before too. I would say risk for 30k and bugs is always present, which is why you shouldn't haul more than you can afford to lose. Basically hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

[spare cloud]

Most likely bad luck, or a you issue. Go with wired internet if you aren't already. It's usually preferred for SC.

[civic epoch]

Yeah, I don't risk what I can't afford to lose. Was just curious if anybody had noticed increased 30K's with cargo loops. Wondering if it has more risk associated since your ship, and personal contents manifests are tranferring between 'locations' more frequently. Dunno. Just a thought. I'm not really complaining, as I understand the state of the game. I'm just exploring newer loops for me, and curious about other's experiences.

[spare cloud]

Hauling doesn't make the game more unstable.
If the 30k isn't because of your own internet connection, then it happens for everyone else on the server. No server would last more than 15 minutes if it crashed everytime someone was hauling

[near swallow]

From 3.22.0 to 3.22.1, it seems to me that 30ks are not happening as often. Low server FPS has happened, but it seems like the servers are not crashing quite as easily. I've seen a server recover from 0.2 server FPS. Twice. During SoO there were a lot more 30ks, from my perspective. Haven't had issues during actual commodity trade runs. I did have one 30k when taking refined metals (from a refinery) to be sold, and 30k protection worked. (Though I also found out that, after a 30k, you have to retrieve and re-store the ship to be able to sell the stuff on it.)

[peak snow]

i lost 7 mil the other day, made it all back within 24 hours

[balmy kelp]

why is this? ship is leterally 44m away

its at pickers field if thgat matters

[glossy peak]

i think you can only buy/sell from stations with the Hull C

[peak snow]

Hull C can only be loaded when the spindles are extended, and it can't land when they are

Trading with it is pretty much limited to space

[balmy kelp]

man, i wish i knew that

[peak snow]

Yeah, and even then it's quite buggy

you can still make good decent profits, but the C2 is still the meta hauler

[near swallow]

C2 may lose it's meta cargo hauler status if you can't use hand tractor beam to move larger containers in 3.23.

[still phoenix]

What product has the best profit for 64scu of cargo?

it would be gold right?

[peak snow]

Yep

Hull A?

tbh the most based hauler in the game

[still phoenix]

c1

[near swallow]

Maximum profit, and maximum risk, is RMC I think. Then gold.

[toxic plover]

what is RMC?

[spare cloud]

Recycled material composite. What you get from scrapping ships, but can also be bought in some settlements

[grand trellis]

did they fix the thing where stacked boxes bug out and just delete themselfe when selling

[teal ridge]

Anyone like the c2 over the carrack?

[warm totem]

everyone does - the problem with the carrack is teh enclosed areas for containers - get some mixed content in tehre and you'll struggle to sell it - forcing you to manually unstack it and move it around - last time I used it there was a glitch with the med doors where you would stuck in them...

[teal ridge]

Yeah I got the carrack the other day because I thought the hanger door looked cool and the med bed etc but I don’t use the hanger door and any time I die in the game it’s because I cracked a ship so I’m not sure what use the med bed is then lol I also find it a little annoying ruining around it and leaving the ship I think is the most annoying thing so I was looking at the c2 & it’s big, carry’s a lot of cargo, vehicles and it’s easy to get in and out of so I’m very tempted! I just dont like the idea of manual doing the cargo in the future but if there’s a pay option to have it done for you then I think I’d like the c2

Crashed 💥

[warm totem]

I know this isnt mining & salvage but if your doing cave exploration you can park the carrack outside - set your spawn point and restart right there - I guess that would hold true for any exploration type loop. I would recommend it for that but for cargo & trading its C2 all the way - i kinda like the C1 as well but the limited space sucks - it's one of the best in terms of looks though!

[balmy kelp]

whats the most profitable route for a hull c? and how much invested and profit is there?

[spare cloud]

They did

[teal ridge]

This is where I’ll be sold on the C2. Is there a little ship I can leave in the c2 that has a med bed to respawn in and get free drinks, food, med pens etc? Oh & would the vulture fit in it ?? 🤔🤔🤔

[spare cloud]

Not the vulture. It only fits the 890J

Only the 890J and Carrack have medbeds to respawn in.

[frozen elk]

You can fit the Pisces C8R in the C2 (or M2). It won’t give you a respawn point, but it does have a T3 medbed, some water and med pens. Although I’d wager that you should probably just put a 1scu box of fluids, pens and a couple of medguns and multi tools on your ship somewhere

[spring copper]

the poor Pisces, completely replaced by a 1SCU box.

[teal ridge]

lol I do like the carrack but I don’t do anything to exciting to need to respawn in it 🤷🏻‍♂️ I usually just buy loads of sht at a space station, jump into the carrack and go to inventory and add whatever I want from the local to the ship inventory that way instead of needing a box 🤔 I did do a cargo run in the carrack last night, I spent 5mil on RMC and sold it for over 6 million.. I’ll buy the C2 with in game cash and see if I like it or not 🤷🏻‍♂️ but I might just keep the carrack and do cargo runs with it

[teal ridge]

I also like the c2 for all it can carry and it’s easy to get in and out of and it has a lot of QF also

[frozen elk]

I mean, not entirely. The C8R still has a medbed, which is essentially a really quick way for unlimited rehydration and medical help without getting pumped full of drugs (up to T3). Once that 1SCU box is empty.. you're SOL lol.

[frozen elk]

Crusader ships are very thirsty though. Yes you get a larger amount of fuel, but they also burn through it a lot quicker.

[fair robin]

Biggest issue I have with the C2 is the lack of TB.

However it’s not MEANT for Cargo hauling. It’s meant for vehicle transportation so it won’t end up getting a TB.

I absolutely love the mass amount of QF it has, as well as the unreal ability to just rocket up out of atmosphere with such ease.

[teal ridge]

What’s TB? Yeah it’s a big ass ship literally ☺️ I’m going to see what cargo it can do and yeah I get ya it’s for vehicles transportation.. the big question is will it be a soloble in the future

[limpid sluice]

Tractor Beam, I believe

[peak snow]

I'm of the opinion we should be able to mount TBs on weapon mounts, so you could retrofit the C2's remote turret to be used to load and unload

[fair robin]

Right now it’s my go to cargo hauler. But I also have the Caterpillar and prefer the visuals to the Drake lineup.

[fair robin]

Yes, sorry!

[peak snow]

Based tbh, I love drake

Crusader design is yucky but goddamn, 696 SCU doesn't lie

[fair robin]

I bought both the C2 and Cat in game and I think later on would easily pledge for the Cat. But yeah the 696 SCU capacity is REALLY nice right now.

[peak snow]

I've been debating trying to beat the pirate swarm in arena commander just so I can buy the pirate caterpillar

[teal ridge]

I don’t mind the carrack as a mobile base slash a bit of cargo or carry a few bits I just wish there was a elevator from bridge to exit the ship like the C2 has

[peak snow]

The caterpillar is just worse as a hauler... Slower, more fragile, less cargo capacity

It does cost like 2 million less in-game though

[teal ridge]

I sold over 7 million RMC in the C2 just now 🤷🏻‍♂️that’s plenty her booty isn’t the best though

For me it’s not bad it’s down the line if not want to manually do cargo, if they have a pay option to boycott that I’d be happy

[peak snow]

Selling 7 mil?

The investment for my route is like 7.7 mil, with a sell of over 9 mil at a18

[teal ridge]

I bought over 7 million I meant

[peak snow]

Ah fair

Do you buy at Pickers or Dunboro?

I typically go from Dunboro, it's on Microtech so it's a lot further but safer imo

I've never seen anyone there

Pickers has a lot of traffic

[fair robin]

DM me if you ever want to try it. I’ve wanted to for awhile but none of my friends want to do AC stuff. It’s awhile away (cause I’m in school) but I’d be up for it in April when I’m done. I low key want the Pirate version too lol

[fair robin]

Yeah, If I’m wanting to just fly fast and make money fast I’ll use the C2. If I’m wanting to enjoy the haul and less so wanting to do it for speed I’ll break out the Cat.

[fair robin]

Dunboro is my route too. Less concern for landing there, and then can land on the frozen lake at NBB

[peak snow]

You don't use the hangars?

How do ya get to the trade terminals then?

And I find the RMC at NB is often full... Hence I go to A18

[fair robin]

Naw, land on the frozen lake, walk in through the ground entrance and then it’ll put you right in The Commons. Run to the TDD and sell, then run back and fly away back to Dunboro 😊

[peak snow]

Oh noice

[fair robin]

Interesting, I’ve found the opposite for the most part.

[peak snow]

Maybe I got unlucky that day lmfao

A18 is also my home location so it makes sense for me to sell there

[fair robin]

A18 Is a solid choice. I choose Orison just cause I do a lot of my Bounties and Salvage around Crusader, if I’m hauling cargo, I stick to Microtech area

[peak snow]

Fair enough
I just like A18 cuz I get better frames and I like the cyberpunk aesthetic

Wala and Lyria are my favourite moons too, blacjac is my favourite security company, and Bajini point is my favourite orbital station

All my favourite things are in Arccorp

I'd love to see the dark side of Arccorp though, the lower levels etc

[fair robin]

I get better frames at NBB, but the vibe at A18 is definitely more Cyberpunk and I love that.

Loreville feels like Chicago or New York (No disrespect to people that live there though lol) and I get the worst frames there.

[fair robin]

I hope some day they expand on areas inside the major cities, even if they’re only accessible by transit.

[peak snow]

Lorville sucks, the only reason to go there is for the ground vehicle terminals and the New Deal

Give Astro Armada moar ships cig :c

It's also a really safe area, very rare to see red players or pirates etc

[misty idol]

Is Rappel fixed?

[peak snow]

No

Go to Pickers Field or Dunboro

[teal ridge]

So keep carrack or melt it for the C2? Any suggestions?

I like the elevator on the C2 🤔

[frozen elk]

Keep the carrack, buy the C2 in game.

[teal ridge]

That could make sense 🤔

I mean the carrack can make over a million profit with RMC so it’s not completely useless

[teal ridge]

I found a way in and out of the carrack that’s not to bad. Spent 5mil on RMC sold it for over 6mil so it’s a mil profit which isn’t bad.. I find it doesn’t move or land as good as the C2 though.. I find anywhere laggy like pickers field and it just keeps going down it’s like it won’t go back up and can be a hard landing which I don’t get with the C2

[frozen elk]

The C2 flies much better than the Carrack for sure. For right now, I'd say the Carrack is still the better ship because you don't have to load and unload it manually. With 3.23 around the corner, that's going to be an issue since you can't get anything larger than a 2SCU box out of it. And even that is a pain. I'm hoping they'll have a temporary solution or at least paid and timed auto solution for that, but they haven't really said anything that gives us anything to go on tbh. Your best bet would be to assume there is no system in place for getting boxes larger than 2SCU in / out of the Carrack starting w/ 3.23

So, if your sole purpose for the Carrack is cargo / trading, then the C2 is the better option going forward. But the Carrack has more going for it than just its cargo space, the T2 medbed and mobile respawn, along with the ability to brind a bunch of other vehicles / ships along for instance.

As for my earlier comment to keep the Carrack and buy a C2 in game, I'd stand by that. The carrack is more versatile than the C2. The C2 is just a very nimble large hauler. You can obviously stuff a C8R in it and turn it into somewhat of a baby Carrack, but you won't have respawn, you'll lose a ton of cargo space and even more so if you decide to bring anything else besides that C8R

[teal ridge]

I don’t mind the carrack, it’s the landing that seems to be full when landing at pickers fields. Up and down is slow unless it’s a bug 🐛 atm I’m enjoying doing cargo as it’s chill but I definitely wouldn’t like to manually move cargo regardless of the ship

[frozen elk]

The Carrack is quite a bit larger and heavier than the C2, not really surprising that its a bit slower to go up or down. Could be due to the ground proximity thing though (it's a game setting somewhere that dampens ship controls the closer you get to a surface).

The elevators are slow AF, that's true.

[mild pumice]

I used to do a lot of trade in the carrack using the C8 to come and go. I also noticed my old trade route of diamonds is now a 2.6mil buy in for 2.9mil sale (c2) a lot more risks!

[teal ridge]

In the carrack I buy 5mil RMC at pickers field and I sell it at area 18 for over 6 million

Does anyone know what the keybind is for 3rd person in a ship to look around? I need it for landing at pickers field to make sure the garage door is hitting the ground! & the keybind to reset 3rd person view??

I’ve made 10 million in profits today 10 runs no pirates 🏴‍☠️

[mild pumice]

F4 is the key to enter/exit 3rd person, use the mouse to move the camera. Hold F4 and use the arrow keys to pan the camera, PG UP/DN to raise and lower

• resets the 3rd person camera to the default view

[teal ridge]

See I’m using an elite controller so I have a way of moving the camera in 3rd person but I don’t know what the name of the setting is in ship view to create 3rd person camera default view

[warm totem]

for the third person view I just keep cycling through f4 then hold z and mouse to look around - f4 again to get back into the cockpit view then get out if it appears all is well. I did set a key bind to open doors to help with landing on uneven ground but again if someone is around your asking for a walk-on...and YES people will hide and steal your ship so don't leave it open!

[teal ridge]

Ok cool. After flying the Carrack & C2 today i found the C2 to be so much better at cargo & flys so better. It’s that good you can use it as a daily driver. I also love the two big doors either side just incase you land awkward and need to get in the front or back depending on the uneven surface which did save me earlier as I couldn’t get in the elevator as it was a little to high up so yeah I really like the C2 over the carrack it’s more comfortable and efficient

I know it doesn’t have a med bed but I don’t usually do anything that would make me need one because if I die it means the ship crashed so it’s back to a station anyway

Flying the carrack then getting into yhe C2 is like a big difference.. when I done cargo runs in the carrack it felt like torture but when I done the runs in the C2 it felt great tbh

I didn’t think I’d like the C2 at first but it’s so much better at taking off, landing, getting in and out and getting you out of a pickle if you land awkward & it can be used for other things like transportation so right now I really like it for cargo & flying around in it

[last osprey]

Reclaimer vs. MOLE with a 4 man crew, which one is more fun? Which one brings in more aUEC/hr?

[spring copper]

Feels like this fits better in #rock-and-stone - but anyway, currently the Reclaimer is vastly better for profits (to the point that there's no real comparison). That likely isn't the intended final value of salvage, but right now there's no argument to take the MOLE over the Reclaimer.

[devout shell]

is it worth, to do those delivery missions, at the start not very.... but i want to know, is it getting better iff i don some of them?

[spring copper]

You'll receive larger missions of the same sort (they'll start to ask you to collect multiple boxes and deliver to multiple locations, the mission value is per box). You'll also get some different sorts of mission (like stolen boxes - you'll have to go to a pirate outpost or bunker to retrieve them, so gunplay is involved)

They won't get to the same value as moving large cargo, but they're doable on a smaller ship without the cargo space; and they're a different gameplay loop that will take you to a wider variety of locations.

[misty idol]

Ok but there are too many people

Compared to rappel

[spring copper]

if Rappel wasn't at server-crashing levels of instability, it would also have those player numbers. That's what you'd expect from a valuable trading post.

[teal ridge]

It’s hard to want to fly the carrack when the C2 is so much better than it at flying and cargo 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hazy hedge]

I would say to remember that true Multi-crew gameplay is not in. I can see the C2 needing at least a co-pilot and Engineer when used actively. The larger ships will become far less viable to solo pilot the futher development moves forward.

[hollow sedge]

How often does Gold stock get added to terminals ?

[spring copper]

This depends on location - if you're using a tool like SC Trade Tools it should list the restock rates. Stock levels are across your entire region though, so if other players are using the same route (on a different server in your region) you'll experience slower restocks.

[hollow sedge]

Thank you. That helps.

[spring copper]

It's also more logical to look on the Commodities screen where you can see multiple locations, I suppose. This was just the page that opened up when I went to get the screenshot 😄

[simple lintel]

I have a question; So I heard that we are getting own hangers at the start location with the 3.23. Does it mean that we will have to pay to use hangers at other locations? Kind of airport fee?

[spring copper]

No - this is purely in relation to "personal" customisable hangars. The new cargo mechanics in 3.23 mean you'll need to have an instanced hangar, so you can take the time to manually load up your ship.
The instanced hangar at your home location will be persistent - you can put down decorative items or furnitures and they'll stay there. This only applies to the hangar at your home location, other hangars will just appear as regular empty hangars

There won't be any fee to pay to use the hangars elsewhere, you'll just not be able to see your furniture or items you've decorated with

[simple lintel]

Thank you, good info, have a good one

[spring copper]

You too!

[brisk rock]

Can you sell Hull C Cargo at orison?

[limpid sluice]

far as i know, you cant land the hull C with cargo, i believe its docking at stations only

[brisk rock]

yeah, I understand the landing part, just not the docking with cargo part

[frozen elk]

You can dock at Orison

Not sure about selling though because I don’t think it has a cargo cube.

And 9 out of 10 times the docking arm / bridge part doesn’t have gravity for some reason, so prepare traverse that thing with a lot of bumping in to everything

[frozen elk]

And now that I’m thinking about it, Orison would be the most cumbersome place to sell. Dock, shuttle, walk, put in sale order, walk, shuttle, undock, theoretical cargo cube…

[brisk rock]

Yeah, but if im doing trade routes, im assuming doing a load back haul to orison and seraphim would be better than being empty

[frozen elk]

Yeah but that’s the thing, there is no way to get cargo off of the C at Orison. Seraphim, sure, but Orison itself doesn’t have a cargo dock where the C can (un)load

[tough apex]

how much is a single box of maze

[misty idol]

How much Profit makes the Most profitable run?

[spare cloud]

1.73mil

[misty idol]

Naaaa i made 2mil with rmc

[shell veldt]

Selling where? What ship? C2…

I thought max right now with low demand is 1.7 roughly, with a full C2.

[peak snow]

Well, I finally bought the C

And frankly I'm disappointed

At Everus, the docking port was bugged and I couldn't access it

So I flew to CRU-L1 and claimed it, hoping that would resolve the bug

20 minutes and 20000 auec later, it spawns in a hangar and all is well and good

However I have to take a roundabout way to Crusader as I can't quantum directly as the QT hud would disappear as soon as I pointed towards Crusader

The slow ass QT drive takes about 3 centuries to finally get to Crusader and as an adult to do the final quantum jump to Seraphim, the server 30Ks

I'll try again tomorrow.

[limpid sluice]

I like the idea of the hull c, and I really want to try it... But it sounds like a buggy mess and a pain from the stories I've seen in here

[near swallow]

CRU-L1's QT bug is one reason I'm not based out of there with my mining ship. So it's not just you.

[misty idol]

C2 Buying at Pickers Field selling at ArcCorp (rmc)

[tall linden]

I've considered ccu'ing to one, but I think I'll buy one in game today to test out.

[peak snow]

The C2 is probably a much better investment, it costs like 6.5 mil and can make you way more money per run

[tall linden]

Already have one lol.

[peak snow]

Fair enough

[tall linden]

Just figured I'll try testing another ship, but after watching some recent YT videos of the Hull C, there seems there are way too many issues

[peak snow]

Yeah I noticed last night

I hope they'll fix em in 3.23

[bitter jungle]

any idea where to sell stolen construction material ?

[peak snow]

Grim hex or a scrapyard id assume

[near swallow]

Grim Hex works but it's a bit buggy. You'll have to click around the upper left/right of the button in order to sell. Not sure salvage yards buy it, and I know there's a no question's asked terminal on CRU-L4, but I've never used it so I don't know how it works with stolen stuff.

[peak snow]

Could someone post that handy dandy hull C trading diagram?

[near swallow]

Don't have that but this site might be useful:
https://sc-trade.tools/home
You can limit the locations it shows for trade routes to space stations.

[peak snow]

And also for some reason my hull c randomly disappears when I'm inside it

And I go into eva

Like I'm inside, then suddenly, poof, it's gone and I'm in Eva

And let's say I managed to recover, I can't even get into the seat

Because it'll disappear then and I'm stuck into a weird limbo between Eva and entering the fucking seat

[tall linden]

Okay, this scares me lol. Just bought it in game

Is there a trick to actually get to it as the docking port doors are closed. I guess I could take a small ship out to it.

[peak snow]

dunno, sometimes the ports work and sometimes they dont

its a coin toss honestly

[tall linden]

Nice, finally worked for me just now.

Never mind, got flung out in eva lol

[peak snow]

good to know im not the only one

[tall linden]

Interesting, found a trick if the dock port door is closed. Retrieve another ship, then retrieve the Hull C immediately after and it spawns in a hanger

[iron rune]

Can also fly to the hull c. I think calling another ship doesn't store your hull c

[limpid sluice]

this one?

[tall linden]

Oh thanks for that

[peak snow]

THANK

[tall linden]

T2 the QT of choice for the Hull C?

[peak snow]

ooo another trick

you can avoid docking if you park near one of the landing pads and eva onto it

you can then take the elevator into the station!

mind, PADS not HANGARS

[tall linden]

Nice

[peak snow]

loading up on Hydrogen now

[tall linden]

Okay, go off on my maiden voyage with the hull c, let's see how the evening goes.

[peak snow]

Wish you luck mate!

[tall linden]

Like wise. I'm at Port Tress, so might try copper

[peak snow]

first run almost complete! unloading now

[tall linden]

Same. Took me a while too figure it out lol. Forgot the whole cargo unload area, and decided to try and dock at the docking port.

[peak snow]

i think you have to dock, sell, undock, unload

then dock again, buy, undock, load

[tall linden]

Lol yep. Eventually figured that our. Made it out to a Pyro jump point (first time) to sell some scraps.

[peak snow]

well shit

my client crashed, so the ship was auto stored full of processed food at Everus

but ofc calling it to a docking port doesn't work

so im gonna have to claim it somewhere

[tall linden]

Oh crap.

[tall linden]

If I partially purchase commodities for the Hull C, and decide to wait for more inventory so that I have a full load and log off, do I lose the partial purchase?

Nm, I'll find out shortly. Dock port kicked me into eva and I got stuck in the hull of the ship

[limpid dove]

Hi, can the hull c run any form of cargo?

[shell nacelle]

does anyone have a list or know where i can find a list of the locations where the hull can can actually buy/sell cargo?

[spring copper]

#industrial-professions message

[shell nacelle]

ty

[shell nacelle]

which of these minerals can you mine in bulk easily?

i feel like mining loads then selling it all with the hull C

[spring copper]

Your larger concern there will be maximums at your sale point - most stations will only take a certain maximum amount of something, and that number is generally lower than the capacity of your entire Hull C.
The commodities listed in the image I linked before don't have a maximum sale amount at their destinations - so you can fill up the Hull C and know you're not going to be stuck with half your cargo when the station rejects the rest.

[shell nacelle]

oh okay

[velvet shoal]

Maybe it was a bug, but I ran medical supplies from Terra to Pyro, and while I was able to sell it all, it only allowed me to sell in lots of 440scu's. I had to run back and forth between the admin terminal and the ghost box over and over again. It took me like an hour to offload everything.

[shell nacelle]

also which of these is the most profitable most the time? cus the prices change dont they

[spring copper]

You can use tools like UEX or Gallog.co to get this information as needed, so you can plan your routes when you're ready to fly 🙂

[shell nacelle]

okay

[limpid sluice]

Unless you're asking a question specifically to me, you should turn this off

[shell nacelle]

i was asking but someone else answered

[limpid sluice]

You're having a conversation with Khaydari, but you're pinging me when you reply to my post

[tall linden]

Only cargo from above planet space stations and jump gateways.

[limpid dove]

ah that sucks, thanks stryder, is there any other ship bigger than the c2 that I can use to haul in atmo?

[spring copper]

Nope, C2 is your largest atmospheric ship at present.

[limpid dove]

Thanks Khaydari

[shell nacelle]

fun qt time

fully loaded!

[shell nacelle]

when im selling with the hull C, do i have to dock with it first? or can i hop out and go into station next to a pad?

to try avoid bugs

[limpid sluice]

I genuinely don't know if you're trolling me right now

[shell nacelle]

no im genuinly asking

cus when i tried to sell before undocking the 2nd time was usually broken

[limpid sluice]

I don't own the ship, i never have, I just re posted an infographic that I saw from someone else because it was requested. Please stop pinging me with replies, I've already asked you politely

[shell nacelle]

sorry i didnt know that

either way its working :D

with a profit of 227,000

[tall linden]

I started with the hull c last night, and would park near a landing pad and EVA out and back.

I ended the night with me getting stuck in the hull of the ship somehow requiring me to log off/on. Had to claim the ship and lost 800k with if cargo. Conceptually I like the ship.

[fading kayak]

hi.. new here... can someone help explain

on the trade webpage trade routes

[misty idol]

Only?

[misty idol]

Can this ship Land?

[near swallow]

Hull C can't land on planets and such with cargo.

Without cargo the spindles fold up and the ship's front and rear slide together, then it can land.

[shell nacelle]

Not with cargo

[spring copper]

If you break off the bottom struts, you can land it extended (and carry cargo on the rest of the struts). It just accomplishes nothing, because it's still restricted to the same selling locations

but if you're just eager to prove it's possible, it can be done 😄

[shell nacelle]

Big brain

[spring copper]

It's fun to see if these things are possible. It provides zero functionality, but now I know

[peak wyvern]

Anyone been shot on an outpost landing pad by a tank?

[peak wyvern]

No doubt, but just wondering if anyone has, if it registers as a player kill if the satellite thing is up. And also what is the eventual design, will ground vehicals be able to shoot in armistice zones or is that just how it is now?

[spare cloud]

Where was it ?

[peak wyvern]

I'm used to seeing abandoned ships and ground vehicles around the shubin mining outposts, does a scan show manned vehicles, or players nearby who could jump into vehicles?

It was shubin22 on microtech, I was in a caterpillar

[spare cloud]

A vehicle with someone inside will show blue, until they become hostile, then it'll show red.
Shouldn't have to scan, just "target cycle friendly" to make sure there are only unused ships

Nothing can out pass a total armistice zone. They shouldn't be able to fire. They can fire from outside the AZ, but then you shouldn't take any damage, unless it's bugged

[peak wyvern]

I did not get chance to report crime so the satellite may have been down in preparation?, but I did not check. There was no blue pips, when was descending, slowly landed on the big empty pad, then after turn off engines heard a few sounds like cannons and blew up. I did see at least one tank nearby. So maybe something rammed me? I used external view to check all landing gear where nicely on the pad so don't think I crashed.

[hollow sedge]

How much is the RMC limit at New Babbage?

[near swallow]

With your ship on the pad, that would mean you would be in armistice zone so you should be invulnerable unless maybe you had a CS high enough that you're no longer protected by armistice. It is entirely possible it wasn't weapon fire that destroyed the ship though, could be you landed on some leftover ship bits you couldn't see, or even that lag or low server FPS just caused your ship to blow up.

One time, in my C1, I landed at an outpost and wanted to move forward a little bit due to the ship's long ramp. So I tried to lift up a bit and move forward, and my ship suddenly exploded for no apparent reason. I'm guessing I ran into left over ship bits floating in the air that I didn't see. (It was dark.)

Have also seen a C8X freak out and try to destroy itself in a hangar after landing, turning off the engines, and getting up. It started shaking like crazy and had so much damage I found out some parts of the C8X interior still have placeholder smoke effects. Was still repairable afterwards though. That was caused by low server FPS.

[peak snow]

Don't use the Hull C...

I've lost over a million auec to the bugs

I hate to say it but the C2 is just better

[tall linden]

Yeah I lost about 800K auec yesterday, but made 500K back today with the hull-c. Love the concept, but way too buggy right now

[full sapphire]

anyone run ore to refineries?

[near swallow]

Refineries take raw ore from mining ships, not ore you can buy. There's another channel for salvage and mining.

Well, unless you buy ore at a refinery, and pay to have it refined. And then take it to sell. But I have no idea if that is worth doing.

[ornate halo]

If they make the buy price right- that whole loop could be worth it. Refineries buy at like 30% of the final refined product price- plenty of room for money

[limpid sluice]

Would be cool to see more of a player market, miners sell and transfer ore directly to cargo runners

Miner throws up a beacon when it's almost full, guy flies over with a cargo ship. Transfers over material, or maybe swaps out full ore bags for empty ones, something along those lines

[spring copper]

Swapping out full bags was in the concept for both the Prospector and the MOLE, if I'm remembering correctly. They're supposed to have more than 4 bags "available" and just create an additional one once you remove the full one.
So I guess this would be a theoretical future loop

[limpid sluice]

I guess like most things, it's a planned feature™

[spring copper]

Freight elevators in 3.23 should be a good step towards it though - once we've introduced that element of physical handling of cargo, that can easily expand to non-SCU cargoes like ship weapons/components and mining bags

[full sapphire]

This is more along the lines of what I was thinking.

The Mole could have a ‘converter’ and dump bags into SCUs

Or something along those lines.
Like the vulture and reclaimer do for salvaging

[spring copper]

That would be the practical purpose of the Orion when it releases. Prospector/MOLE produce the bags, Orion handles the actual unloading and refining.

The first step to "running ore" in a cargo sense is being able to treat loose bags as cargo (not as SCUs, but in the sense of loading them into station cargo). I'm hoping that will happen with (or soon after) Freight Elevators; since it's practically the equivalent logic for mining ships

[near swallow]

Right now the "converter" for mining ships is refineries. And for now those are only on certain stations. This is where the MISC Expanse would come in. A refinery ship. Prospector/Mole bags get equipped on Expanse (with presumably empty bags from Expanse going onto Prospector/Mole) and Expanse works on refining the ore while the miner goes back to mining.

Oh, and then the refined ores can be loaded onto a cargo ship for delivery to wherever they are going to be sold.

[mighty prawn]

Are construction material pricing same across the verse, or does it differ? I had been selling it at the station

[near swallow]

Mostly the same, except a few places it's a little bit less.

GH, Orphanage, and R&D Orinth being the lowest in price.

[spring copper]

I'd forgotten entirely about the Expanse; that makes more sense in this situation than the capital-ship levels of the Orion 😄

[woven dock]

why can I never sell my full load

[spare cloud]

What and where ?

[woven dock]

new babbage

i spent 7 mil on cargo but cant sell at any system

ive jsut spent an hour going to every single TDD and none are taking RMC anymore

no demand

[spare cloud]

Yeah makes sense. Every hauler trading RMC atm

[woven dock]

what i do then

[spare cloud]

You wait until it's on demand ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woven dock]

cant just chill with 7 mil worth of cargo

for like 4 hours

[spare cloud]

You can hop server region

[proper jungle]

Area 18, always takes RMC

never had an issue before

[feral tulip]

Hurston is in No Demand right now (eu), going to check Area 18.

[spiral berry]

I am trying to do cargo/trading but the biggest I have is a cutlass black and an andromeda - I don't know how much more profit I would get - if I did regular mission I would get that money is less amount of time

[spare cloud]

May wanna try hauling drugs, you won't make much with lawful trading

[spiral berry]

Is there anywhere I could calculate the profit I would get?

[spare cloud]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[spare cloud]

Allow wait times, and take both SLAM + WiDoW, so you don't actually have wait times.

You would have wait time if you took only one of the two and wait for it to restock

[spiral berry]

I got the amount to buy but what about to sell?

[spare cloud]

All

[spiral berry]

So I can pick from one of those to buy and another to sell?

[spare cloud]

Use the set route tool

[spiral berry]

oh like this?

[spare cloud]

Yeah

[spare cloud]

Those are buyers btw

[spiral berry]

Ok, thanks

Am I seeing this wrong or is this 4M in profit? @spare cloud

What does it mean when it says "PRIVATE PROPERTY"?

[late summit]

Just the name of the location

[spare cloud]

Yeah it's just a place

[spare cloud]

Looks like it, but I'm not sure it really exists. Stock details says zero, and I've never heard about it

[near swallow]

3.8 mil profit, because you have to buy it first. Profit is in the middle. Problem is the supply is not there at the moment. And it doesn't seem like there's much supply of Ranta Dung anywhere at the moment. (You can turn on Show Stock Details to see how much they have.) The location does exist though, I've seen it on the star map, and may have been there when I was golden ticket hunting.

Have been to Private Property too.

[hot stirrup]

anyone selling artimax armour by any chance?

[spare cloud]

#market-street // #1019852856460853258

Not the same kind of trading here

[hot stirrup]

oh okay my bad

[spiral berry]

Ahh okay thanks

[spiral berry]

How can I get it to set it to buy at the max storage of a particular place instead of the max scu of the selected ship

[near swallow]

I'm not sure you can adjust that except by adjusting the ship. I personally use https://uexcorp.space/ for trade routes, but it does not include the "illegal" commodities or (at least on the trade routes page) stuff like ranta dung. It also doesn't show current stock.

Note that these websites are not actually buying anything, just telling you that if you buy x amount here and sell x amount there, this is how much you'd make. 🙂

[serene wasp]

this actually works? you buy stuff at one station and deliver to another and make profit?

[spare cloud]

Yeah many people make money this way

[lost barn]

Hey guys, I haven't played 3.22 yet. How's the hull C trading state right now?

[spare cloud]

Take a guess