industrial-professions

[green mango]

I looted some corundum ore from an npc bounty where can I sell it

[graceful kiln]

refineries, probably

[green mango]

The ore selling console wont let me select my ship

[fresh abyss]

where can you sell Altruciatoxin

i feel like it's been changed

[frail copper]

trying to buy gold from Shubin SM0-18 to load into my C2 Herc, but when i hit confirm for purchasing, it says cargo transfer failed. am I doing something wrong, or is this a bug type thing? (yes i have the vehicle selected for loading)

only my first time trying to do this

[graceful kiln]

do you have any other cargo in the ship?

[frail copper]

no i didnt

[graceful kiln]

completely empty? Nothing in the cargo bay at all?

[frail copper]

yep

[graceful kiln]

And when you go back in to buy after the error, do you see the same amount available to buy?

[frail copper]

i tried numerous times, decided to take the ship off a bit, logged out in the bed and logged back in and went back and it was 0 in stock, so im guessing it just wasnt updating the volume

[graceful kiln]

Yeah, that's what I think it was. The Supply and Demand for any location is shared across servers, so you're competing with everyone who's using that spot

Gold is a very high demand commodity, so you'll have a rough time trying to trade it

better to shoot for Beryl, at one of the 4 spots that have effectively infinite supply for how fast it regens

[frail copper]

thank you for the advice 🙂

[mossy radish]

need advice on stuffing the c1 with cargo

i did it before and i cant do it again for some reason with a passage to the cockpit

[stone adder]

for the best cargo in ert's do i do group or the other one.

[mossy radish]

welp i did it

[wintry radish]

Late to respond on this, but there's actually a way to get around this

When you run into that error, try buying all but 1 unit of their current stock

And most of the time, it'll work

Idk if it's cloning stuff that was already purchased but hasn't updated properly yet, but it usually works

The inverse also works -- while I was messing around with the Hull C, I sold a station as many distilled spirits as they could buy, then realized that it still said zero and so sold them a full load -1 of distilled spirits again before the server ticked over and updated their count

[finite kelp]

Lol why does the Argo Cargo have a random “boaty mcboatface” in the text

[fresh abyss]

do the claimjumper missions have cargo on the ships you kill?

[spare cloud]

They're mostly mining ships, so not really

[fresh abyss]

ah so we can't take the prospector bags with stuff in them just yet

[wraith ice]

how long yall think it will take to make 15 mil with the hull c?

[spare cloud]

At least 60 runs

[wraith ice]

ouch

[wraith ice]

with how much of an investment?

[spare cloud]

The amounts in yellow above, times the amount of SCU you got

[wraith ice]

do you have a chart which includes the new stations as well

[spare cloud]

So about 10mil for the most expensive one, about 500-1200k with the others

If you run processed food you're gonna need 52 runs to make 15 mils, probably over 70 considering the amount of bugs

[wraith ice]

sheesh

[wraith ice]

so is hydrogen my best bet then

[fresh abyss]

is this from a website?

[graceful kiln]

really need to stop sharing this chart since it's out of date with the addition of the jump point stations

the commodities of those four stations have changed in some cases

[spare cloud]

Jump points really don't add much to it

[graceful kiln]

no, but some of the commodities at those four don't match

[spare cloud]

If you want to update it, go ahead

If I had to stop using every outdated stuff, I would not even use tradetools anymore 🤷

It's not up to date, but it's ok accurate

Good enough IMO

If I were to edit it, I would, for sure, not add the JP stations

[graceful kiln]

I'm just sayin' to keep that in mind, or avoid sharing it without the disclaimer is all. Seraphim no longer buys Iron, and Everus no longer buys Helium, so the triangle's inaccurate to a degree. I don't have the skill to edit something like that and make it look nice to update it though

just made my own excel doc to track instead lol

[spare cloud]

Me neither

[wraith ice]

Screenshot?

[graceful kiln]

accuracy not 100% guaranteed

commented cells = limited demand/supply

ie: nowhere near a full Hull C's worth on either side

(don't buy a full Hull C of Med Supplies or Distilled Spirits)

[wraith ice]

Thank you

[frail copper]

thank you for the tips! much appreciated

[topaz coyote]

I haven't been able to get my Hull C out of docking bay. How is everyone getting to it if the docking bay doors are closed?

[dark folio]

EVA from pad or get someone else to give you a ride

I dunno if that's the best way, but that's what I had to do

Sometimes the doors spawn properly. Mostly not though.

[cedar flower]

Call ATC multiple times

[drowsy rune]

How risky is gold cargo runs

[hoary tree]

Anyone know if you can trade ship components between players?

And if so, how?

[graceful kiln]

not very

the main risk is in not finding enough supply

[exotic thistle]

hey, I cant sell my cargo (collected from refinary) at new babbage

any tips?

[mossy palm]

Are you at TDD or Comodities terminal?

[vestal ravine]

On one of my Gold routes I had problems with NPC attacks. They blew me up in Armistice area.

[final pasture]

Filling up with that sweet sweet gold

taking a while tho

and i witnessed 2 massive orgs fighting, one even had a 890 lol

[vestal ravine]

Wow cool load man!!

[final pasture]

ty, still going strong trying to fill it up fully..

[tall karma]

It seems perhaps unwise to advertise your extremely valuable cargo loading. There's only a couple of spots you can get gold.

[tight bear]

can i access the cargo on an SRV (can i pick up some boxes and put them on the grid)? want to know before i pledge one

[cedar flower]

It's a small lift for 10 SCU under its belly

[tight bear]

so i can physically access cargo

[cedar flower]

Height of 1 SCU

Yes

[tight bear]

nice, cheers

[cedar flower]

It can however also tow 32 SCU container

[tight bear]

how would you sell that though?

[cedar flower]

Soon when cargo elevators are a thing it should be possible

[tight bear]

Soon™

[wanton helm]

is cargo even worth it right now?
I just spent like an hour ferrying whatever I can from SCD1 to Area18 (Because SCD1 refuses to fill with gold) and I made maybe 50k

[graceful kiln]

it's rough to start out but once you have some cash, yeah

Beryl is what you really want to go for

effectively limitless supply, and once you're in a C2 you can earn anywhere from 250k-450k per run depending on your choices of destinations

[quiet night]

Where from?

[graceful kiln]

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities

learn to use this site

specifically the commodities page

you can use the trade routes generator too, but without messing with the settings, it just recommends Gold at the top end

look up Beryl (or yoru desired commodity), and you'll see where it's bought and sold. Should become clear from there

[wanton helm]

SCD1 didn't have beryl

[graceful kiln]

The site may be slightly out of date, however - didn't have any, or didn't sell any? Did it sell beryl, but was out of stock?

and setting aside that

the ideal places to buy - because of potential supply issues - are the ones that have the biggest max inventory and refresh rate

Ryder or Woodruff, or the two microtech outposts

[native field]

Can someone tell me how long do I have to wait for the shop inventory to restock at a commodities area

[graceful kiln]

depends on the area, and the refresh rates are per minute

but you're competing with everyone else ingame, not just those on your server

[native field]

Oh wait so if I wait for it to refresh then I buy it out it buys out for very other server?

[native field]

Will it?

[graceful kiln]

essentially, yes, as I understand it

but there might be other people trying to do the same

[native field]

So I have to basically buy it before other people do?

[graceful kiln]

yes

[native field]

Well that’s annoying

Thanks for the help

[graceful kiln]

what are you trying to buy?

[native field]

Slam

[graceful kiln]

yeah

drugs are always gonna be rough

very low supply, and very low demand when selling

[native field]

Oh damn

Is widow also a drug?

[graceful kiln]

yes

[native field]

Ahhh I want to get something not illegal

Will I be able to since I have a cutless black

[graceful kiln]

just about everything that's sold at places that sell any drug will also be a drug

lol your ship doesn't matter

[native field]

Oh ok it’s just I’m using sc trade tools

And it only is recommending drugs

For the cutless black

[graceful kiln]

that's because the cutlass has a small cargo hold, and it's set to show the highest profit you can make with that amount of cargo

that's gonna be drugs since they have the highest profit margin per SCU

you can adjust the filters to remove vices

[native field]

How?

I do t see any of those settings

[graceful kiln]

you're on the Trade Routes page I assume

[native field]

Yea

[graceful kiln]

you haven't considered clicking on anything here before?

[native field]

I have I just don’t see a button for not highest profit

[graceful kiln]

...click the commodities dropdown

[native field]

K

Then what

[graceful kiln]

see where it has a dropdown for types

and then below it, a toggle for 'avoid selection'?

select vices

make sure avoid selection is clicked

that removes vices from the suggestions

[native field]

What are vices?

[graceful kiln]

vices are drugs

drugs are illegal

[native field]

Oh ok got it

Is there any way to get caught with them lol

[graceful kiln]

yes

and the places that buy and sell them don't have armistice zones, and players like to camp them

[native field]

Oh ok well thank you for all the help

[graceful kiln]

fiddle around with the site

click the ?'s, they have info

[native field]

K ty

[upbeat flicker]

Do HRT’s spawn with cargo, or is the money made in VHRT+?

[graceful kiln]

they might if it's a ship that has a cargo hold, but in such low amounts that it's not worth focusing on

[green mango]

The commodity terminal at seraphim wont buy my RMC material, where else can I sell this?

[cedar flower]

TDD's

and scrap yards

[green mango]

thanks

[warm vector]

I had to leave 195scu of RMC behind me...so yes

[green mango]

That's a lot of money

[idle anvil]

195scu? what kind of ships do those targets fly?

[novel rampart]

hello friends
i have salvaged some stuff, i have a few boxes of tungstun i got off ships, some iron ore and recycled materials, also have some warheads and some big gun
how/where can i sell all of this for a reasonable profit?

[spare cloud]

You can sell every components in the same shops that sells them.
For cargo, see !tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[warm vector]

For HRT bounty , we have big ships like corsair, but caterpillar, C2, M2, carrack, 890jump too,

[spare cloud]

890j only spawns in ERTs

[vestal ravine]

If you have Vices and UEE pulls you over QT away...

[brave stream]

New player here can someone summarise cargo trading in a short manner ?

[idle anvil]

sheesh. what kind of ships do y'all use to take those down?

[spare cloud]

See the trading guide in our #learn-to-play👶old channel 👍

[spare cloud]

Connie/Hercules/Corsair ✨

[idle anvil]

buy low, sell high. use this for good and routes to use: https://sc-trade.tools/home

[brave stream]

Thnx

[spare cloud]

Well, if you care about their cargo

[idle anvil]

so basically just the same ships but flown better?

[spare cloud]

If you care about cargo from bounties yeah

If not, you can just fly what ever you want, but Ares/Vanguards would be the best fighters for it

[elfin rune]

Any hint about when hull c could be purchased ingame?

[spare cloud]

At least 90 days after its release. Then it should be buyable next major patch

Meaning, next major patch after the 90 day period

But well, following this rules, Fury and Fury MX should already be buyable in game

[idle anvil]

so vulture should be coming then too

whenever the next major patch is

[spare cloud]

Vulture been buyable in game since 3.20 already

[elfin rune]

I bought one 12 hours ago

Lorvile- new deal

[idle anvil]

oh. wiki is outdated then.

[elfin rune]

1.3M

[spare cloud]

Make sure you check the .tools wiki. The Fandom wiki is bad

[elfin rune]

This

[spare cloud]

Or check !itemfinder ⬇️

[wary tusk]

Universal Item Finder

Use the website to search for any item (and where to buy them) in-game.

[idle anvil]

yep.

[spare cloud]

Then you can tell it to the people working on it in #wiki-editing 👍

[final pasture]

Anyone know what the restock time for gold is?

[idle anvil]

24/min or 10/min depending on where you are https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Gold

[final pasture]

ah thanks

[mental bobcat]

I bought a vulture in game at new deal in lorville

Last patch

[austere hedge]

Are the crusader hydrogen trade route busy?

Or is everyone doing the gold rush?

[fresh abyss]

LF a cargo hauler

[spare cloud]

#looking-for-session

[final pasture]

most people are doing gold rn, i did hydrogen this morning and it wasnt that busy

[fresh abyss]

oh is it not supposed to be put here

[spare cloud]

Yes, that's what #looking-for-session is for

Here is a specialized channel for discussing topic, not finding people to play with

Well you can find people here, but then if you start considering playing with someone you're chatting with, move to DMs or #looking-for-session

[austere hedge]

Is it worth if you’re flying a Corsair or should I look for other routes

[spare cloud]

Hydrogen is already worth practically nothing with a Hull C

So with anything else ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Beryl makes for good runs

But IMO, with less than 120 SCU you better run drugs

[austere hedge]

Fair

Where do I find drugs

[spare cloud]

Look at vice routes on !tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[austere hedge]

Thanks
I’m new

[spare cloud]

But since you have a Corsair, you could also do high level bounties and take drugs from your targets

[austere hedge]

Yeah I prefer the more passive gameplay loops sometimes

[brave stream]

What do i do if i bought some cargo and went to a station which the sc tool told me to go to but the item is in no demand ?

[spare cloud]

You wait for it to be in demand.

No demand isn't "we don't buy", it's "we have too much of this" but stocks will go down with time

[brave stream]

How long does it usually take ?

[spare cloud]

Between 5 and 15 minutes

[brave stream]

I see

[spark wigeon]

Is it me or is there a whole of walking and moving your ship from one spot to another for getting cargo on your ship when it probably shouldn't be this complicated

[zenith maple]

Not sure I follow. they are introducing tractorbeams on ships, and you have auto load/unload, what is complicated?

[spark wigeon]

Like docking and walking to a terminal to purchase the cargo, then needing to go back to your ship to move it to load the cargo

[zenith maple]

seems very true to how things are handled today

being able to do "online" shopping from your ship would be nice, but I see the point in having people walk inside to make stations feel more alive. As long as you are not doing a preapproved pickup for a mission type of thing, I dont see the issue personally.

[worthy scroll]

Eventually it's all going to have to be loaded manually. Honeslty can't wait for that, bring on the cargo Tetris!

[zenith maple]

I thought it would still have autoloading for a cost? both in time and money?

manually loading a hull-e would be a game session alone

[wintry radish]

Well, the Hull series specifically is really annoying

since you have to dock, go in, buy cargo, get back on board, move to load cargo, go to next station, dock, go on board, sell cargo, get back on board, move to unload cargo

and if you have multiple types of cargo you then have to repeatedly dock and go on board to sell each type of cargo individually since you can't queue up multiple sales at the same time for some reason

Then undock, unload, redock, sell, repeat

Worst part is, you can't have a co-pilot just stay on the ship while you go onto the station to arrange the transation. Only you can contact the cargo channel and get a loading/unloading area

and only you can buy/sell cargo for the ship to carry, too

So the entire crew does literally nothing except for the ship owner who has to handle every step of the process personally, over and over again

And if any other ships get too close to you at any point during the loading/unloading process? You're now considered to be "obstructing the cargo bay" because I guess it's your fault for queuing up something for the cargo bay to be doing in the first place

so your ship gets impounded and you have to EVA back to the station so you can resummon it

So with that experience in mind, I'm really not looking forward to manual loading

Because I can almost guarantee you there'll be a ton of that same "can only purchase/sell one thing at a time" nonsense and running back and forth between buying and loading if you try to take more than just one kind of cargo

At least other crew on your ship will be able to help, though, so it'd be a step in the right direction in that regard.

[tight bear]

are eggs or maze worth more

[graceful kiln]

Almost all of the current Hull trading loop is definitely temporary lol

Bey9nd loading yourself or paying to have it loaded, i would be shocked if they didnt move the transaction part to the mobiglass, or at least let you do all the transacting you need to in one strip aboard the stati9n

Because yeah right now it is fucking dumb

[graceful kiln]

Eggs

[brave stream]

Do all terminals have different items in demand or is the commodity values you see same everywhere ?

[graceful kiln]

Different locations have different offerings, but not like 100% unique offerings everywhere

[sly ravine]

!jt

[wary tusk]

JumpTown 2.1

Jumptown is currently active.

[simple summit]

new here anyone down to teach me cargo

[spare cloud]

Use #🤖┃bot_commands please

[spare cloud]

You can have a look at the trading guide in our #learn-to-play👶old channel or ask a !guide if you want someone to teach you the ropes ⬇️

[wary tusk]

Star Citizen's Player Guide System

Click the link above to request a player who can guide you through any gameplay aspect, including the Basics!

*Can also be used to find a buddy to play with!

[true kettle]

I sent my refined ores to my Freelancer MAx, but I do not see them in the ship or cargo hold. where are they

[coral shale]

Is the cutty black the smallest ship that can fit a 32 scu box? I love the firepower of that ship, the cargo, the missiles, and the turret but I hate the view cuz of the struts

And I like the fact that I won’t need a crew for it in the future when engineering comes out

[spare cloud]

Nomad can fit them

It's weird stuff, but it fits

2 or 3 containers

[coral shale]

Wow that’s pretty big, I’ll look into the nomad

[graceful kiln]

'fits' is a pretty bad way to describe what's actually happening lol

[coral shale]

Well if you can get 2 or 3 in there surely you can get just 1 easily no? I usually do missions in my cutty and pick up 1 big box and go sell it haha

[spare cloud]

Yeah it's just, unituitive and bad looking

[spare cloud]

Found it #star-citizen message

One more here #star-citizen message

[graceful kiln]

I wouldn't expect that to work forever lol

[coral shale]

Wtf

LOL nvm I’ll pass on that one

[open plaza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKe8-kB2X3k not sure how well knows this is but I just saw this one

[mental bobcat]

Freelancer is probably the smallest ship that can properly fit a 32 SCU box

On the grid too

MAX can fit two

[spare cloud]

Cutty isn't on grid, but it fits just fine

I'm not sure if it's on the grid in a lancer ? Is it ?

[open plaza]

The corsair cant fit 32scu boxes right

[spare cloud]

Not on the grid, but it can easily fit 3x 32 SCU containers off grid with space for 40 more SCU in smaller containers

[open plaza]

can you still sell stuff at terminals that isnt on grid?

[spare cloud]

Yes

[gray osprey]

I can't find anyone with this issue but it happens to me every time. When I buy cargo and sell it, it works and physically disappears from my ship but the commodity terminal still says my ship has SCU on it

and prevents me from buying any more

Happens every single time after 1 cargo run unless I reclaim my ship, guessing there's no workaround?

[glossy peak]

Can i use the Hull C for anything other than trade runs atm?

[graceful kiln]

not really

and that's not really ever gonna change, not much anyway. It's a transport ship

it hauls cargo, in one form or another

[glossy peak]

fair enough, was wondering if it could be used for anything else, even if its bad at it

[final pasture]

honestly I prefer Hull C over C2 somtimes but also reversed

depends what i want to do

BUT, i do enjoy hull c

[graceful kiln]

you'll eventually be able to carry other ships on it - more intended for freight purposes, but people have designs of making it like a one-off parasite carrier. I don't see that being all too useful though, better just taking a ship with a hangar so people don't have to just sit in the fighters the whole time

the Hulls are cargo ships, that you might be able to do one or two other things with. I wouldn't buy them for any purpose other than that, not primarily anyway

[rancid egret]

is there a hot key that turns on and off snapping for cargo ?

i can't seem to snap stuff

its been 3 days and doesnt matter what ship im on or what cargo i move

i can't snap things

[graceful kiln]

no key that I know of. What ship and what cargo (size matters)?

[true kettle]

where can i sell Aphorite at
I thought i could over on lorville, but i can't

It keeps telling me Transaction cost mismatch at the admin office when i try to sell it

[mental bobcat]

You can sell it there but you are encountering a bug

[true kettle]

how do i fix it

[rancid egret]

happens to me on, A2, C1, C2, MSR, Catapillar, 890, 600 and Corsair. so 😦 idk what im doing, maybe my character is broken ?

[delicate girder]

I was hauling gold and beryl in a C2 a couple days ago and a RL situation came up and I let the game connection time out with the ship in deep space. Thought the load was gone for good but decided to not claim the ship for a couple days. Sure am glad I did because the server I was on finally 30k ed and gave the ship back to me with the cargo. That's impressive!

[mossy topaz]

Is trading still not worth it from the lack of supply and demand for items?

[spare cloud]

Sell less at once

[weak wharf]

Does the Cutlass black tractor beam have decent visibility yet?

[echo lily]

Hey, I started to play not long ago and managed to grind my way to a C2, I looked at SC Trade Tools and it seems that it mainly promote Gold as cargo (make sense since it's the best money out there), but since I have never done it before and heard about pirates 😅 is there something else I should start with so I can get a bit more experience with cargo trading ?

[spare cloud]

Gold is first route on tradetools but it involves a lot of wait time and pirates. Look for beryl instead, idk why people keep up with gold

By the time you make one full run of gold with a C2, you can make at least 3-4 full beryl runs

[echo lily]

Sweet thank you 🙂 yeah it seems it's more or less half of the value in gold but if it doesn't have the downside of the gold it's nice 👌

[delicate girder]

Both Brio's and and GH have not been buying Widow for ever. I only have 12 to sell but can't for the longest time.

[mossy palm]

There are few other scrapyards besides Brios.

[mental bobcat]

I have no idea. All I know it's a bug

[mossy palm]

Why everyone is going to and asking about Brio's, then whine about getting ganked is beyond me. If I had A2, I would occasionally carpet bomb it just for shits and giggles, pop open Smaltz, kick back and bask in tears and raeg in global chat. Fuck looting and salvaging, just enjoy the butthurt.

[livid siren]

But you dont have A2.

And you are all talk.

[ashen bloom]

weevil eggs has no demand? should i change scrapyard location?

@spare cloud

[spare cloud]

Or just wait a few minutes

[mossy palm]

True, I am trying to save up at least 40mil creds, and hope that patchwipe wont also wipe the creds.

[hoary monolith]

How does cargo hauling in a connie taurus compare to prospector mining for profitability?

[raw barn]

1 gold run in a Taurus gives like 300k

[spare cloud]

Gold

[raw barn]

And 1 weevil egg run gives 20 mil

[hoary monolith]

what site is best for planning trade routes?

[raw barn]

https://uexcorp.space/

[idle anvil]

better than https://sc-trade.tools?

[raw barn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

uexcorp doesn’t show drugs though

If that’s your cup of tea

[hoary monolith]

I stay on the legal end of things

[idle anvil]

looks like uexcorp only offers info if you already kinda know what you're looking for

[spare cloud]

Tradetool best in my experience

But try to avoid gold, it involves lots of waiting time and pirates

[hoary monolith]

tradetools looks like a better option as it just needs to know the ship I have and then gives routes

[idle anvil]

yep, plus offers alternate commodities per location and options to filter out places and commodities

[ashen bloom]

so people can still shoot you at brio's even with commlink..

are the guns not doing anything?

[spare cloud]

There is no armistice zone at Brio's, what do you mean ?

[ashen bloom]

the auto turrets around brio

[spare cloud]

There are none

[rancid egret]

Question: I've been having alot of trouble snapping cargo to ships using my tractor tool, but my friends dont seem to be having this issue. maybe i pressed a cargo snapping hotkey by mistake? is there such a thing to toggle snap cargo ? ships ive tested this on are 890J, 600i, Corsair, Carrack, A2, C2, C1, Catapillar. 😦 is my character broken? its been happening now for 3 days

[ashen bloom]

they aren't auto?

also won't you get crimestat destroying people's ship in brio while there's commlink around?

[spare cloud]

They aren't at all

There are no turrets around Brio's

Well there's one or two manned gattlings

[spare cloud]

You will

Not because it's Brio's does it give you the right to destroy people's ships

If the people here don't have CS3 or higher, any hostile action against them will give you a CS

As long as they press charges obviously

[ashen bloom]

lol i won against a griefer ambushing me on the ground and i don't get crimestat cause i press the left bracket to press charges WHILE shooting him, but good to know that it needs CS3+, so this means CS2 is still considered as "friendly"?

[spare cloud]

Did they have CS already ? Yes CS2 is friendly

[ashen bloom]

no, i got a prompt to press charges when he starts shooting at me

then i killed him, no cs for me

it was actually a 1v2, one person was flying f8c (already red) and starts shooting my ship while i was engaged with his buddy on the ground

[spare cloud]

Yeah doesn't mean that you didn't get CS because you pressed charges

[ashen bloom]

oh then how

[spare cloud]

Just that they didn't necessarly pressed charges

Or that they had CS3 already

In that case, they should have a bounty on their had and appear hostile at all times

[ashen bloom]

so even if i get shot and pressed charges, i will still get cs when i kill my attacker?

[spare cloud]

If they don't have CS3, yeah

[ashen bloom]

that's bullsh*t

so then how do you protect yourself against griefers when selling stuff? stand there and take it?

[spare cloud]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen bloom]

it seems griefing is incentivized

[alpine fractal]

Lil bit! It's supposed to be it's own loop. My advice is to get a defender, 'cause the second they shoot you they become red and a target.

'course it's a bit broken atm with crimestat being the way it is. The way the runners I know do it is by doing the route but doing it just slightly different, and getting fast charging Quantums

[ashen bloom]

like i said, i do not mind griefers (i lost a 7 million cargo to griefer back when 30k risky salvage loot was a thing) but the crimestat system needs to get fixed so you don't get punished from DEFENDING yourself

[stone adder]

Escorts can help. also A2 for bombing the area before selling.

[alpine fractal]

waaaag, that sounds so painful, I am sorry

[alpine fractal]

but this is facts. The CS system works as well as a wet towel, but it should be better soon (tm)

[ashen bloom]

not going to work when the griefer is flying though..

i guess i need f8c as an escort

[elfin heath]

Question, when stacking physical cargo in ships is it still a issue where you if you stack anything other than the same commodity it may bug at terminal? From YouTube videos it was advised to only stack vertical the same items

Was playing with a guy today and he said he didn’t have any issues stacking at random

[ashen bloom]

you can sell them, top first

if you're quite forgetful, don't stack different types of commodities cause if you sell the bottom one FIRST, everything in that stack will be gone

[elfin heath]

Ah okay, long as it's a top down sell dont matter whats stacked on what

[ashen bloom]

[stone cradle]

Anyone else have a problem loading the Hull C at Bijini?

[graceful kiln]

no more than anywhere else

[stone cradle]

Hmm I bought a mixed load and when I get into the green loading square, it loops a message of loading and paused load. Any work around? Ive tried different servers but still does the same thing

[graceful kiln]

did you buy multiple things in that same transaction? Every time I've tried mixed loads I have to load each individually, with separate trips back to admin

[stone cradle]

Yes I bought heph and Food during the same trip to admin. Maybe that caused the loading to fail?

[echo lily]

I was trying my first cargo run with Beryl now but Orison does not want to buy it, is it because they don't need it, or I need to do something ?

[spare cloud]

What does it say ?

On the left of the screen

[echo lily]

It's under the Cannot sell tab

[spare cloud]

Uh

[stone cradle]

I would say, make sure you are at TDD

[echo lily]

I just landed my ship on the hangar, do I have to store it ?

[spare cloud]

You don't

[spare cloud]

Yeah make sure you're at the right place

That is, TDD, not Admin office or something like this

[echo lily]

Is there more than 1 area in Orison with commodity terminal ?

[stone cradle]

Yes there are mulitple places

[spare cloud]

Yeah, Admin, and every shop that people sometimes are confused with

[echo lily]

ahhhh okay

[spare cloud]

TDD is on Cloudview Platform (main one) between the Hospital and the Mall

[stone cradle]

TDD is at Cloudview Center by the hospital

[echo lily]

Right, so one more stop 🙂 thank you !

[spare cloud]

👍

I'm happy you were at the wrong place. Because things will sometime appear in the cannot sell category when should be able to sell it and it's just bugged and there isn't always a way to fix it

[echo lily]

What TDD mean btw

[spare cloud]

Trade and Development Divison

TDD on Hurston is called Central Business District

TDD on every other planet

[echo lily]

Thank you, noted !

Hmm I don't see my cargo in the terminal now 🤔

As in, I don't see the cargo grid as a sub category

[graceful kiln]

Sorry, I had to step out. If it's still not working... maybe it's because you got multiple commodities? Last time I tried that, it would only let me do one at a time - buy or sell. Not sure why it let you do the transactions

[stone cradle]

Thx for the reply. It started last night and still persisting today and all the IC that Ive found were archived/fixed. Just pulled my 2nd Hull C and loaded it with a full load of Food. Trying to bring out the 1st and see if it will load

[graceful kiln]

my suggestion is just to stick with one commodity per trip tbh. Plan it right and you'll never run into supply or demand issues

and just keep in the back of your mind it's a temporary version of the whole loop, heh

[stone cradle]

Yeah 3M lesson learned I guess lol

Only 1 weeks worth of progress

[graceful kiln]

could be worse

when I saw Med Supplies with 30k supply, I bought up a whole Hull C's worth

only to learn that not a single station has more than 500 demand despite the supply

my guess is, setup for when Pyro's added, but that's just speculation

[normal berry]

Any way to avoid pirates? they just attacked me

[idle anvil]

what were you carrying?

[normal berry]

gold

[idle anvil]

that's probably why. I think it's recommended to not trade gold due to wait times and pirates.

[normal berry]

Between the fact that I'm new and on top of that they attack me on the first try xD Any recommended resources?

[idle anvil]

Whatever https://sc-trade.tools throws at you when you exclude gold

[worthy scroll]

Don't trade in hot spots. Places that deal in gold are the biggest hot spots right now. Highest value items attract the deepest pockets which attract pirates.

[normal berry]

thx guys ^^

SLAM is secure??

[violet sentinel]

should i be trading gold i have a freelancer max

[dark folio]

The more SCU a ship can carry, the more options you have to turn a decent profit. High margin commodities like Gold will make you the most no matter how much hold space, but trading them in bulk also gets more difficult as the buy-in price to fill your hold gets more expensive and it becomes harder to get enough due to limited supply.

If you can trade gold and are fine with the monetary risk, it'll get you more than most other legal commodities, but with a MAX you have a decent amount of cargo capacity so you could also make some OK money on other commodities with a smaller profit margin as well, and they might be more readily available and less risky (due to fewer pirates along the route).

Your call.

[violet sentinel]

kk ty

[violet sentinel]

also can i server hope for gold timers or does it not work like that?

[elfin rune]

nope,in theory the inventory its shared

[spare cloud]

The trading stocks are shared across servers of the same region. If you server hop, make sure you change region too.

[violet sentinel]

so i can do it ut change region?

[spare cloud]

Correct

[violet sentinel]

kk ty

[elfin rune]

lol didnt know that

[echo lily]

How often is the tool being updated ? because a lot of time there are a very low stock or no stock at all for ressources...

[spare cloud]

Never. No site can tell you stocks in real time. It can only estimate the rate of restocking and tell you the max stock and rate

Most rewarding routes also are the most used and most pirated. Stock is often low because of this

When you arrive somewhere stock is low, just wait 5-15 minutes and it'll go up

Wait in front of the trading terminal, updating it every so often

[echo lily]

Thank you, do we know what's the restock timerate ?

[spare cloud]

Tradetools have them

But again, they're estimations

They're different from a place to an other

[echo lily]

Thank you 🙂 I will try a longer route then

I managed to make around 500k in 3hours yesterday, I'd like to think that's good 😅

[spare cloud]

With what ship ?

[echo lily]

A C2, I tried to cargo beryl and some gold from the first few place from the tools

But most of them were low in any resources

[spare cloud]

Some beryl buy points have almost infinite stocks around Hurston.

[echo lily]

Thank you I will have a look 🙂

[normal berry]

laranite is good on this moment

[tulip bronze]

does the c1 have enouhg cargo space to make money? good/medium/a bit ass/complete ass

[idle anvil]

anything with cargo space can make money. whether it's worth your time is another matter, but I'd say the c1 is decent for it. you wouldn't be making taurus or c2 amounts of money, but it'll still be something while also being defendable and perhaps taking some bounties on the side.

[tulip bronze]

ok

[cloud raptor]

hi, question with C2 is how can we load it in futures patch because he is not supposed to have a tractor beam and such quantity of scu to load could be painfull?

[mossy palm]

There is already a Size2(?) personal tractor beam that you use like rifle to move large containers.

[cloud raptor]

you mean the personal tractor beam size 2?

[mossy palm]

yup.

Ylou can buy it at cargo floors of space stations.

[raw barn]

Are they making that a requirement to move 32 scu boxes in 3.22?

[mossy palm]

I think it aready is.

[earnest hornet]

Either way having one on hand is just a good idea

[raw barn]

Maybe, probably depends on the weight of the cargo. I can pick up 32 scu containers of weevil eggs with the multi tool

[ashen bloom]

is decari pod sellable?

[mossy palm]

I think at commoditirs and/or KelTo store.

[dusty nimbus]

Wait there is a personal tractor beam size 2?

[spare cloud]

Maxflex tractor beam

[dusty nimbus]

Nice

But u can totally move 32scu boxes with the small one rn

[spare cloud]

Maxlift*

Available in any refinery

[spare cloud]

That'll eventually won't be a thing anymore

[dusty nimbus]

Hoping so i just want that big one anyway cuz it seems cool

[opaque hare]

anyone having issues with their ships cargo not showing up? Im in the terminal, my ships been stored and ive changed shards but its blan despite being full of quartz

[wet barn]

Is it better to do delivery missions with a titan than to do cargo runs due to it only having 8 space and I found some delivery missions in the crusader planet system that pays about 8-15k per delivery mission. Many have the same locations so I'm able to do them somewhat fast too

[vestal ravine]

I would think you could mix the two but most cargo is sold to the TDD's at the planet's cities. Also do not invest more than half your funds into cargo. You could look over the "looking for session" on this Discord for some teamplay where the leader would pay you for your work.

[wet barn]

Tdd? That's the commodity store right? Are they not also located on stations in orbit?

I'll check that channel out sometime! Thanks for the tip!

[dusty nimbus]

Does anyone know if towing multiple illegal tow missions in a row gives u a Lv 3 CS

[vestal ravine]

The main slang for those 2 core selling spots are TDD, trade and development division, and Admin Stations where other commodities are sold. TDD's are not on the orbital space stations like the Admin Stations are. That's the basics for selling things but there are more details involved.

[dusty nimbus]

What is actually sold at admin stations

[mossy palm]

Waste and scrap are being sold by stations, but you can sell some refined metals, minables, and some consumer products like food, distilled spirits, medical supplies and similar. Check wikis, or write down what stations usually sell. Only difference in this may be the jump point stations.

[rocky moat]

what tool can I use to find out if any of these are valuable

[spare cloud]

!tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[rocky moat]

I wasnt able to sell all my stuff at brios breaker

why wouldnt it let me? I thought scrapyards buy everything off you?

can someone explain what this means

why is no one buying my maze

[spare cloud]

Cannot sell means they don't buy, go somewhere else
No demand means their stock is high. Wait a few minutes in front of the terminal and stock will go down, at this point you'll be able to sell

But with 260 SCU of maze you're going to wait a long time to sell it all

Scrapyard stock limit of any drug is 250SCU

[mossy palm]

Lagrange stations and TDD usually buy distilled spirits, as for maze, either wait and refresh console, or find some other place to sell.

[tender sky]

No it just gives you multiple cs2s that you need pay off. So like 32k each. You won't be able to land at a station hangar, just try landing pads

[tender sky]

Look up best buyer on SC Trade Tools

[rocky moat]

I soft deathed a pirate. Can I access the cargo without detroying the ship`?

the elevator doesnt work

nevermind the hatch is open a little bit

[wraith burrow]

@tender sky not sure about that. I’ve accepted bounty contracts on towing players on multiple occasions. If you don’t pay off the fines, enough CS2 can add up to a CS3, though it can still be paid off at a terminal.

[quartz drum]

Hey, for bounty cargo, better to have a Taurus or c1 ?
I actually have Taurus. Great firepower but it’s a big brick. And in atmo fight, is I stay immobile, just aiming targets, the ship fall on the ground

[fallen crater]

i use the c1 and currently going for hrt's but the lack of missiles to start imo is the only thing missing

[quartz drum]

I see … thank you

About cargo, any tips to know what ressource to take and what to let ?
Because I take all and price is shit and I can’t sell in the station next to me … how can I take only thing easy to sell and where can I sell ?

Sorry, many questions but I don’t understand 😂

[fallen crater]

ive been using https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/

its a life saver but i think for my own sanity imma use my buddies Taurus for hrt and up

[haughty yarrow]

for Anyone interested Im selling cheap ERTs cargo Eggs , Maze and Quantanium. lower drugs come for free. you just have to pick it up and sell it

[tender sky]

you are selling them?

what do you have a massive stash somewhere lol

[tender sky]

you can change the c1 missile racks out and get 16 missiles total (smaller size however)

still, it is much better

[fallen crater]

yeah i got 16 pioneers now

[tender sky]

bloodhunter if you need help with them then lmk

with cargo

been striking out on cargo

[haughty yarrow]

@tender sky sent you dm

[dusty nimbus]

I am also interested, shoot me a dm when u get a sec

[civic crane]

I wanna start doing some cargo but idk where to start

I was told to buy the taurus and saved up for it

now what do I do?

[graceful kiln]

how much cash you got to work with?

[civic crane]

I still haven't bought it so about 3.6 mil

[graceful kiln]

well

what you can trade depends a lot on how much capital you have available

[civic crane]

shoot

[graceful kiln]

simplest answer though: Use this website.

[civic crane]

so that would leave me with about 3.5k

[graceful kiln]

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[civic crane]

350k*

[graceful kiln]

ok that's more usable than 3.5k lol

[civic crane]

yeah

[graceful kiln]

anyway, use the site. The Trade Routes tool lets you configure and it suggests the best routes to do based on the settings you set on the left

[civic crane]

should I go all in?

[graceful kiln]

I wouldn't

[civic crane]

or go with like 100k first

[graceful kiln]

Most I usually go for - when I'm following my own advice - is at most 50% of my float

at any given moment, too

so if I have 200k, and then lose 100k to something

my new max is 50k

[civic crane]

too risky for you otherwise?

[graceful kiln]

I mean, it's an alpha, and you can always earn the money back, so who cares in the long run

but yeah

I don't always follow that rule though lol

and with PES or whatever you're much less at risk to 30ks and such since it saves your cargo

so long as you don't claim your ship (and it isn't out in the ether somewhere inaccessible) you can always get to your ship with its cargo intact

since sometimes it'll drop you at your home while your ship is sent back to where you left from or something

anyway, use the tool. Click around the site, figure things out

[civic crane]

it's telling me to get some SLAM

isn't that illegal?

[graceful kiln]

remember the settings down the left

you can tell it to skip illegals

and to avoid limited demand/supply issues too

[civic crane]

but doesn't the taurus have like an unscanable thing on it?

[graceful kiln]

yeah that ain't implemented

and that's also not the issue

you can only sell vices in significant quantities or buy them (period) In places that have no armistice

ie: free PvP

also, very not worth the effort IMO

use the tool, understand the information it presents, and then use your judgment

[civic crane]

so I should go with legal stuff for now

but how do you avoid getting caught with illegal stuff

[graceful kiln]

the issue isn't getting caught dude

it's getting blasted by players camping the sites lol

[civic crane]

oooooh yeah

I've heard about that

so where exactly can you filter out the illegals?

[graceful kiln]

did you not click around on that page at all?

[civic crane]

yeah?

[civic crane]

you said bottem left

[graceful kiln]

one click

[civic crane]

gotcha

thx

[graceful kiln]

click all the things

figure out what they do, etc

also, use the Commodities page to your advantage

it'll tell you the inventories/demand amounts, and their refresh rates

which is important for efficiency. If you have to wait around to fill up your hold, it ain't worth trading IMO

[civic crane]

and should I upgrade my quantum drive?

[graceful kiln]

rarely a bad idea. Use https://www.erkul.games/ to figure out what one's best for you

there's no best option since best means different things to different people

[undone iris]

yo guys quick question. on UEX, is the sell price listed next to the SCU the amount that was made for selling that amount of SCU?

[proven zinc]

what patch does the , we can kill intruders in our ships without a crimestat come into sc

i held my breath waiting for a reply, then i passed out...........!!!!

[hybrid fern]

you still there? XD

joke aside it will have to wait until trespassing is fully fleshed out

[tulip bronze]

can i store my ship at new babbage even if gold is inside

like will the gold be in the local storage then or gone?

[mossy palm]

It will be in the ship, you wont be able to phyaically access it, but you can sell it at TDD.

[tulip bronze]

oke

thanks!

[brave stream]

Anyone know if the laranite box bug is fixed ?

[low heath]

hi guys im new to SC, got the aurora MR package and was wondering if it could be used for trading? cant seem to select it as an inventory for when i buy commodities :p

[mossy palm]

AFAIk, commodities are mostly stuff that you find as a FPS loot. Aurora can carry 3 SCU crates of bigger stuff, mostly being refined metal and some supplies that you can purchase on planetary and lunar outposts that are visible on starmap in mobiglass.

[rigid night]

is there a black list app where I can enter user names of people who cut 50-80% of the sale for ERT parties?

if you do the math every time people do this repeatedly to new players, being the "c2 cargo guy ❤️ :D"

[hollow sedge]

best loadout for the c2

https://www.erkul.games/

can someone make me one?

[graceful kiln]

insert TS-2

Profit

[sonic fiber]

No if at outposts

[next temple]

Can you sell anything from the Hull C at the salvage terminals?

[delicate girder]

When selling commodities, I still enconter the age old bug that I can't buy all of a commodity and have to leave one behind ... AND YET I see the commidity going to 0. I have no idea how others seem to buy the last one.

Anyone know the answer to how the last commodity item is purchased?

[rocky moat]

my ship is filled to the brim with laranite why wont tdd accept it :/

reee the ship is not stored rip 1.5 mil

the c2 and the m2 have the same cargo grid am I seeing it correctly?

[mossy palm]

Wait few days is by usggestion. At worst, it will default to your spawn city.

Its why I have multiple ships. To waste time while waiting for servers to unfuck themselves.

[weak pecan]

The C2 has more space than the M2.
https://i.imgur.com/HpEAlyk.png

[ashen bloom]

i still don't know what's the point of m2's existence

[mossy palm]

Gunship/bomber escort-bait/supersized Valkyrie.

[ashen bloom]

supersized valkyrie

[rocky moat]

MIN MAXING

[mossy palm]

Make it nice and tidy, otherwise Klang will visit you and punish you.

[tall karma]

The M2 has one more seat / turret for a 3rd person, and will have more armor when armor is implemented. So right now it's good for 3 person crews since the C2 only works for 2 people

[mental bobcat]

Also has tons of crew seating and armour lockers

[alpine fractal]

oh god he's here too? F***K

To be fair, I got klang'd last night by trying to fit 3 ships worth of size 3 weapons into my hoplite

[mossy palm]

I gad Klang claim my Taurus once due to crate clipping trough the floor, and once I exited ship, it bounced into the ship and destroyed it. How the fuck I lived trough that mess is beyond me.

I mean, there was bigass blue exolosion.

[rocky moat]

what can I do if there is no demand for my weevil eggs

[mental bobcat]

Wait.

[rocky moat]

okay so I am not forced to go to another scrapyard?

[rocky moat]

there is no grid left

[alpine fractal]

You are simply built different

@rocky moat You gotta either wait for requirement to reappear (wait like 120 minutes) or go to another area, check out !trade for tools

wait

how do you do that

https://sc-trade.tools/home

this

[mental bobcat]

When it was the hayday of salvage contracts being absolutely full of drugs I normally parked my cargo ship with said drugs, stored it and set my respawn to that station then took a C8R with no gear on me to the scrapyards to check the demand.
If the yard was hot I lost nothing and the C8R respawns in 3 mins.
If there was demand or it had just refreshed I backspaced to the station with cargo ship and flew out asap to sell.

You can also convince a friend to check for you before you commit to landing something huge at a scrapyard

[merry pagoda]

i've gone to 3 different scrap yards and waitied probably a total of 30 mins across each of them but i can never sell my weevil eggs.. this a bug? or are others just selling them faster?

[alpine fractal]

Just so you know, this still seems to be the case w/ bounty missions. Took out a freelancer max yesterday and got 3 packs of widow and 2 of neon

[vital juniper]

Wheres the Hull C thinsg again?

[ashen bloom]

but the number of turrets are the same though?

[tall karma]

No, there is 1 more turret on the M2. The C2 has a co-pilot seat that controls 1 front facing underside remote turret, and 1 rear facing topside remote turret. In the M2 there is another "gunner seat" directly behind the pilot which controls a single nose gun turret (still 2x S4s). So the M2 has 1 more turret than the C2.

[mossy palm]

A2 on the other hand has turrets out of the vazoo.

[tall karma]

Yeah, A2 has the same cockpit turret options as the M2, and then another room with 4x turret operator seats.

[rocky moat]

I gots 40 million aUEC in my ship in terms of cargo Ima better wait for a friend then

how could you even see demand if you dont have the product

[delicate girder]

When looting a Caterpillar from a bounty, what's easiest way to open it?

[rocky moat]

always no demand what is going on

[delicate girder]

What location?

Lot's a people selling across all the servers.

[topaz coyote]

He's at one of the no questions asked terminals...

You're just going to have to camp out there and keep checking it every 5-10 mins OR risk salvage yard (not named Brios) visit...

[rocky moat]

its at the scrapyard on micro - euterpe

[topaz coyote]

ahh... same difference.. just going to have to keep checking and run risk...

Big money though! Congrats

[rocky moat]

this is the 6th scrapyard I have been checking...

[topaz coyote]

yessir.. that's the smugglers life!

[rocky moat]

and its all "no demand

[topaz coyote]

yea man... it's rough out there...

[rocky moat]

so you recommend not going to brio?

[topaz coyote]

Not without experienced escorts...

not just 1... escorts plural

[ruby dirge]

i mean its been like this all night

havent been able to sell any SCU of my space drugs 😦

not even the tiniest box of goods

on none of the regions, on none of the terminals

[topaz coyote]

oof... I hit my 30M and called it.. I don't drug run because of this anymore...

[ruby dirge]

it been good all week for me

literally tonight i spend 3 hours going from place to place trying to sell

think it bugged atm

[rocky moat]

same

[ruby dirge]

there is no way there isnt a single SCU i can sell in 3 hours of sitting in front of terminals

[topaz coyote]

it's possible... seems odd though...

[ruby dirge]

and every server i come in people talking about it and that they havent been able to sell

[topaz coyote]

sounds intentional...

[ruby dirge]

could be as well CIG doin some bamboozling

but i have a big doubt of a human factor playing a role here, there aint no way a org is legit sniping all SCU's of demand within seconds and it not showing at least a few SCU of demand on any of the drugs in a span of 3 hours

[topaz coyote]

I agree with you there...

[rocky moat]

again. 0 scu sellable

[elfin rune]

maybe cru5?

or store the ship and wait

[rocky moat]

there the eggs wont sell

[elfin rune]

sorry mate

[cunning ferry]

so they have changed the buy rates across all servers by the looks of it

[ruby dirge]

yeah hearing lot of buzz in all servers i been in about them linking all the servers demand and supply today?

which is premature imo to do right now, but hey we testing things here so i don't really midn it that much. Still the fact i couldn't sell a single SCU after standing at the sell screen for over an hour and refreshing every 30 seconds tells me its bugged

[cunning ferry]

so replication layer is the rumour?

[rocky moat]

how are you supposed to check demand if you dont have the product on your ship? I went to the scrapyard with my starter but it doesnt show me any inf

[mossy palm]

Maybe? Supposedly, that is final step before fullon Server Meshing. AFAIK>

[wet barn]

Just saw that everyone was having some issues with selling things. Hopefully this issue doesn't last too much longer

[wet barn]

I don't think you can see demand of an item unless you use Sc Trade Tool or something like that (a website btw). But you can see what can be sold at places you land at by going to the trade terminal (Admin, Tdd or another one that says Commodities or something on it), and click the sell tab on the right side. It says how much stock the have, how much they pay per unit sold to them. Out of stock or low inventory is good I believe, means that you should be able to sell more to them before needing to wait for their stock to refresh

[cunning ferry]

That was my understanding too. Very exciting progress if it is

[shrewd pasture]

any news on if the hull-c is unborked yet?

[unborn coyote]

selling borked for others too?

[shrewd pasture]

borked in what context? you dealin in immoral/illegal substances?

[unborn coyote]

Just eggs I get from bounties

[shrewd pasture]

It's a demand thing probably

[delicate girder]

Just sold a million in RMC in one sale. It looks like the demand for RMC in that various selling locations may have been increased over what SC Trade Tools says. Either that or everyone is so busy selling drugs they don't even care about RMC.

[heady pollen]

do ai scan ur ship when ur out of it?

like in an astroid belt?

[delicate girder]

What's the range of an idris rail gun?

[graceful kiln]

we don't know, and subject to change

[civic crane]

where do you pick up cargo after buying it?

[graceful kiln]

are you flying a Hull C?

[idle anvil]

Did you buy it into the station inventory instead of your ship?

[civic crane]

no I figured out the problem

[civic crane]

however idk if tungsten is worth it

is fluorine worth buying

and how do I know if something is in stock?

[worthy scroll]

It'll say low, medium, high, or max stock. It'll tell you out of stock if it is.

[delicate girder]

Let https://sc-trade.tools/ answer your questions.

[fickle berry]

Is HUll-C docking fixed, or do you advise not to dock to stations still?

[rocky moat]

was anyone abke ti sekk tiday

still no demand for maze and gasping weevil eggs it seems

[manic quiver]

I've been trying for the past 9 hours

On different servers and locations

Constant no demand

[slow plank]

Is this like an actual bug?

[manic quiver]

Nobody knows

[formal shadow]

I think cargo prices/stocks are shared across all servers

[ruby dirge]

still doesn't explain a lot of people haven't been able to sell a single SCU the past 12 hours

evne if it would be a shared pool of supply/demand for all servers

[heady pollen]

shame, least i cashed out on some stuff

[rocky moat]

same here

[mossy palm]

Selling stuff is completely fucked?

[ruby dirge]

selling illegal stuff is 😛

[mossy palm]

Ah, I was thinking everything got fucked, included legal goods.

[whole crystal]

Cant's sell armor, equipment, salvaged weapons either. I bought a weapon from the same terminal and can't sell it back...

[mental bobcat]

From what I've seen it takes a few mins for it to appear in the shop.
When I refitted a few ships the left over weapons in Orison were unsellable. After leaving and coming back they were in the shop selling inventory. Who knows you may need to store your ship full of salvage log out and back in and then try the terminal

[unborn coyote]

Well I noticed we are not seeing he commodity price update messages

If I had to guess that it is tied to a db job that updates the stock values in the db table

[civic crane]

so how do you deselect a specific product with sc trade tools

[unborn coyote]

You use the avoid selection filter

[civic crane]

but what if I don't want Astatine

just because it's never in stock

[mossy palm]

How do I sell 44 medguns I got from looting shit? Hospital inventories are now separate from city/station inventories. What do you guys suggest?

[uneven phoenix]

If dying in armistice still moves your stuff to hospital inventory could load a large backpack with a bunch then backspace to transport to hospital inventory. Maybe? Haven’t tried it myself before

Or just load a backpack outside the hospital and walk in and move all to hospital inventory

My second idea sounds better actually since its not that far of a walk if you thread the line between the two🤣

[rocky moat]

came here to check if sellign illegal goos is still fucked?

[stoic trout]

Yep

[grand frigate]

Not only illegal, stayed at facility to buy gold and nothing refresh.
As someone said there's no commodities price alert notification anymore

[unborn coyote]

Yep I am fairly certain that they have a DB job which updates the DB tables for shops inventories. Since that job is failing to run, hence no commodities messages we don't get updated inventories at shops

[mossy palm]

Worse, you cant sell comodities or FPS collectables anymore on EU servers.

[grand frigate]

Would make sense.
Don't know how long we can expect this to last

[mossy palm]

Until next week, cuz it is saturday afternoon/evening.

Update: cant trade at all. All trading tetminals are fucked. Comodities, TDD, Station Admins, scrapyards, and other NQAs are all dead.

[grand frigate]

Yeah guess it's time to switch to another game during this

[rotund linden]

Are they broken or is it something else?

[teal sorrel]

just eu ? so i could hop on to NA and sell for example?

[mossy palm]

You cant sell your stuff, and cant buy stuff to trade. You can open/access them without issue.

[mossy palm]

No idea on other regions, so feel free to try elsewhere. I know EU is fucked though.

[rotund linden]

I have tried this. No go. We spent an hour flying about trying to sell at differing terminals and no good on 3 different regions

[teal sorrel]

someone said they have trouble in na too ill check some others now

[mossy palm]

Good luck and let us know how it went.

I am trying to get onto asian server now.

[teal sorrel]

im on AUS now

[rotund linden]

Same. Cant even sell Neon or Etam

[teal sorrel]

you mean same on AUS?

[rotund linden]

Yes. I was on AUS, now on ASIA

[teal sorrel]

if anyone gets it work id appreciate a ping

[silver echo]

NA also bugged

[mortal hinge]

cant sell shit. tried na and aus

[teal sorrel]

same

[mortal hinge]

ive had this game for a week and everything i try to do is broken. wild

[teal sorrel]

yeah you got a bad timing+

[mortal hinge]

hunt weevil eggs foir hours yesterday find 0, find some today finally, cant sell it, cant do fps missions, cant get crates out of carrack

im TRYING to enjoy the game but jeez.

[teal sorrel]

im in a bad spot too i have like 700k of cargo on my ship and the rental runs out tomorrow if i cant sell till then im kinda fucked

[mortal hinge]

got another ship you can move it to?

[teal sorrel]

nope

i have enough money for one tho thats my last resort

[silver echo]

I have 110scu of weevil eggs from a vhrt today and no way to sell lol

[dapper mica]

I agree with you on that, played 6 hours today and pretty much accomplished nothing due to bugs in everything I tried

[vestal ravine]

I'm going to do the Hammerhead tow mission until the patch comes or just space bounties grind.

[tender sky]

so can I store a ship with illegal cargo at Lorville?

or only Grimhex

[iron rune]

you can store it in Lorville. Works so long as you don't get scanned by security

[heady pollen]

place your bets, cig intended or bug for not being able to sell cargo 📝

[teal sorrel]

why would it be intended

[rotund linden]

My bet is its intended. They just didnt up the limits and people are constantly maxing it. I'd suggest with the next update that there will be a wipe of cash and ship, with a fix of pricing/demand

[willow finch]

There were worst case of people making shit ton of money, with exploit for example, and CIG didn't wipe the money

[rotund linden]

Are you tlaking the hammerhead bug?

[willow finch]

Nah, there was an exploit where you could buy drugs at dirt price if you bought sub one SCU

[mossy palm]

My body and mind are redy. I have too much junk in inventory.

[willow finch]

The bug was you could use the slider to buy a 1/10 SCU of drugs, you would pay 1/10 but you still got a full SCU of drugs

[rotund linden]

I'm relatively new (2 weeks). I did the hammerhead things to buy a prospector but I had 2 days to make coin. I got that stupid ship. Did mining and realised that I couldnt transport it. So didnt really help me with refined stuff.

The drug things I get because we were getting 10M in drugs nearly every ERT. Fly anywhere and just sell it with not much chance of PVP.

[willow finch]

Same here but I don't think the demand not refreshing is intended, people are complaining about not being able to sell legal stuff anymore because of it

It's been bugged for more than 24hours tho, perhaps the issue wasn't reported yet too

[dull wadi]

Is it a bad idea to buy full C2 of beryl

[tall karma]

Seems like currently it would be since you can't sell stuff.

[dull wadi]

oh really?

[willow finch]

Anyway, CIG would gain by letting people get tons of money : let people buy ships with auec and have a ton of fun with them, then wipe so they want to buy it with real money to have them forever

I used the drug glitch back in 3.18 -3.19, bought a reclaimer with the money, lost it after a wipe, now I'm itching to buy one for real

[heady pollen]

this was ages ago i wasn’t aware this was still a thing

[chilly garden]

Idk what kinda crack yall smoke to find 10m of drugs EVERY ert. It takes me prolly 5-10 to find a solid haul

[willow finch]

Just bad luck I guess. Last haul I got was 86 SCU of eggs and bunch of randoms drugs in a starlifter, and by the time I emptied it, a hammerhead escorted by a second starlifter spawned on top of me from an other bounty of an other player.
I soft dead the other starlifter, scanned it, half full of slam, but I decided to leave when the player showed up to get the Hammerhead

After that my mate and I wasted 2 hours trying to sell at the salvage yard, but all of the consoles had no demand

[willow finch]

It's not a thing anymore, it was just an example to show that CIG doesn't always wipe the money when players find a loop/exploit that makes crazy money

[heady pollen]

either they fix the cargo or mysterious rocks will appear at their window (in starcitizen ofc)

[sly ravine]

is there still no demand

[silver echo]

I'm willing to bet it won't be fixed either until Monday or until they launch the next patch

[tame turtle]

So is all cargo broke then?

[dark folio]

I dunno about all, but most for sure

Enough that I gave up trying to find something not broken lol

[tame turtle]

Yikes, salvage too?

[dark folio]

ya

[tame turtle]

Pain

[dark folio]

indeed

Whatever it is, I suspect it started Thursday at least, since that's when I first noticed Price Alert being dead

[tame turtle]

Hopefully it is an easy fix

[next temple]

Can the Starfarer load 32 SCU boxes?

[fallen crater]

theres an issue with the salvage terminals right? does GH work?

[gleaming bone]

Anyone know if GH terminals work for drug sells?

[silver echo]

None work

All bugged

[idle anvil]

I heard they're just disabled, not bugged

[silver echo]

Has RSI said that?

[dark folio]

Demand is not reseting and Price Alert gives no price updates, even when there were still shortages back on thursday when this all started

[silver echo]

I'm willing to bet it's an intentional bug but until they say something all we can do is speculate

[dark folio]

I'm pretty certain something isn't working right

[deft bough]

Is it possible to eject cargo?

[vestal ravine]

It used to be Quantanium only but I am not sure now.

[deft bough]

Oh okay

Where can I sell Slam?

[mellow anchor]

is demand fixed?

[grand frigate]

Seems not, just checked at CRU L4 station to sell drugs and still no demand

[livid siren]

Yes, lots

[neat light]

So is selling stuff broken? Im at brios and it says no demand. im ok waiting if its a supply issue, but if its a bug, ill leave

[tall stratus]

It's a grand sabotage effort disguised as a bug

[silver echo]

Definitely bugged, has been since thursday/friday

But yeah likely sabotage because they hate to see us win

[tall karma]

They're probably trying to block sales to prevent people from whining as majorly when they wipe for 3.22

Not that have to wipe, but many of us have been pleading for one.

[tall stratus]

Only because they keep breaking the game

[tall karma]

I honestly just want my ASOP terminal cleared out. Bought many / most of the ships in game, and now they're a massive clutter after IAE and I'd like to narrow it down to just the ships I use and none of the noise.

[tall stratus]

Oh my, so instead of asking for a wipe, as it's inconvenient for those of us whom only buy what what we use, maybe ask for an ASOP Terminal tab organization and favoritism,

Stop knee jerking every issue with a wipe

[tall karma]

lol, don't be salty. I'm not the only person that sees there's a need for a wipe. The fact that I have managed to buy over 300mil in ships in games is demonstration that the wipe is needed - and no bug was exploited. CIG just overtuned cargo rewards for salvage and bounty hunting.

It's not like we duped our millions.

[tall stratus]

I never implied money gains through duplicitous means

I just implied a lot of you ask for the wrong things

CIG is really wanting to clam down with the whole wipe thing

[ornate halo]

I’ve observed that if you’re not seeing the “commodity price alert” notifications via mobiglass regularly than supply/demand is not working correctly

I have no proof but I’ve been trying to trade a lot the past few days and that’s the pattern I’ve noticed

[tall stratus]

That's the whole bug mate

[ornate halo]

👍

Just meant that more like you can use it as a visual cue whether or not it’s worth trying to trade instead of waiting for hours for no purpose

[alpine fractal]

Oooh that's so fair, thank you!

[alpine fractal]

Yeah this is fair, it's odd 'cause in the bit i've been playing Bounty hunting has either been the millions maker of the game or just awful

[radiant valley]

They will not wipe for 3.22, I would say it's almost certain at this point. They would have announced it, and despite what all you salty tryhards want I don't really see a good reason CIG would choose to wipe this patch. The database seems to be working fine and at this point it doesn't really matter how much money people have. I think they're hoping to not wipe until 4.0

[alpine fractal]

Now hold on partner, I don't think a wipe would be good either, especially since this "salty tryhard" has 21K in game atm XD.

I'm more just commenting on how bounty hunting is always borked, and wish it would be a stable but somewhat worthwhile thing

Plus once a lot of other mechanics (like insurance) come into play, there'll be a constant cash drain that should balance out some bits of the game

[grand frigate]

For now i just want the commodities refresh to be back, being unable to sell because of no demand is a pain

[alpine fractal]

yeah it's annoying AF, especially 'cause it's affecting selling ship weapons

[grand frigate]

Affecting too much things, weapons, cargo and other stuff and maybe recycled material in the long term ?

[alpine fractal]

Oh gods that would be horrid if it spreads to RMC

ATM it seems to be affecting the high-ballers from Bounty missions, so Maze, SLAM, WiDoW, Aclutoxin, etcetera

Which is fair, since, as said above, getting ~1 mil per missions is just the tiniest, littilest bit borked to the moon and back

but it's sucky that it means any non-bounty traders get shafted

[grand frigate]

Yes bounty boxes is unbalances like salvage was before
But yeah traders are blocked, everything like gold and beryl disappeared

[alpine fractal]

wait actually? That's f**ked

Wow! Damn that's not good!

[graceful kiln]

not the first time something's gotten completely broken at random

'tis the life of Alpha

[alpine fractal]

this is true!

[ruby dirge]

reason for me would be that a lot, and i mean a LOT of people(check on the issue council just how many people reporting they cant sell their stacks of drugs xD) got rich very quick since first we had the salvaging unbalance where you could get stacks of drugs easily sold, and then the bounty missions that still give stacks of drugs in a little longer timespan.

The Problem with being rich quick, means people grind one aspect of the game way too much, have all the money to buy all the ships, and then lose interest in playing any further cause they reached "end game" and don't play this game for the testing of it, they play it as being a game. Hence CIG losing out a lot of players that do the gameloops, making things being less tested

[mossy palm]

Doesnt help that bunker have been also bugged this patch.

[ruby dirge]

thats just my 2 cents though, got back a month ago to this game after a 2 year break and been spending quite some time on it, found out last week about the bounties and made about 50 million in said week, which honestly makes the ships i bought not feel earned if that makes sense

[ruby dirge]

yeah true, i been playing that the first weeks i came back cause i was stubborn and just wanted to shoot FPS AI and get to the wave missions which seemed less bugged xD but gave up and became bounty man

[mossy palm]

Got a question, has anymone managed to get mining outpost ATC to give you landing pad for C2?

[ruby dirge]

but the delivery missions, the trading, mining, hand mining, cave exploration all the other game loops and things that also still need player activity to find bugs and see if issues are fixed are on the backburner for the gross population of the players, cause they see the $$ signs and go bounty hunting

[ruby dirge]

i never ask i just land and refuel

[mossy palm]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-96001#contribution:28988398-0d01-4567-a269-a3fea842f21c

IC for "Can't sell anything from inventory" bug.

[radiant valley]

That is a convicing point but I'd say especially right now with the holidays more people would quit if they had to regrind their entire fleet than because they have too much money. Besides, if you're supposed to test and not play it like a game then more resources means more things can be tested

[alpine fractal]

True, though they also need to test gameplay loops and how long it takes for peple to reach those loops. If it takes 15 minutes for someone to get from HRT's to having a carrack, that kinda tosses all balance out the window.

Plus, part of the game is seeing how quickly people get cash and subsequently get bored, and making it so there's a constant enough cash drain to make people need to keep playing to get what they want!

[graceful kiln]

I'm quite confident that these 'unbalanced' earnigns loops are entirely, 100% intentional. No better way to get players to test the mechanics that you need them to test than to throw them a bone. We'll get a wipe at some point, but it's worth remembering we're far from playing a final version of the PU, and I seriously doubt they're losing many sales. Anyone that might be put off from buying an expensive ship because they can easily get it now, in Alpha, wasn't gonna be buying that ship for cash anyway

[iron rune]

I think the economy (when the game works) is grossly unbalanced. I think it's done on purpose to drive players to test specific aspects of the game.

That's just speculation from me though. If released to live in its current state, structural salvage will also be grossly unbalanced. Players will try it out naturally and bugs/experience will be discovered more quickly

Oh @graceful kiln beat me to it XD

[graceful kiln]

Yeah

we don't have an economy currently, and won't until the Live version is in a state closer to a 'finished' release. There's honestly no need for it

[alpine fractal]

These points are also fair AF, and actually make sense compared to what I said

but there's also a balance that needs to be struck, and the bounty debacle probably pushes it a bit over the edge

(I say all of this as someone who's gotten above 1 mil all of one wipe, for some reason fighting against something that benifits me)

[iron rune]

Some people simulate a wipe for themselves by not letting themselves use a ship they already have on a new patch until they earn that much. They also might give the price of that ship to another player when they pretend to "buy" it

People are figuring out how to keep the experience fun for themselves

[alpine fractal]

This is a very good point, and something that will probably happen in the full release

[mossy palm]

Dont forget that even after "buying" the ship, there is money to be grinded for upgrades to components too.

[alpine fractal]

though I gotta say, I like the bounties having cargo, 'cause before I learned it was meta me and a bud grinded a bit to buy a hull A to then go in and actually transfer goods

[alpine fractal]

Oh absolutely!

(by the way I f**ken love your PFP)

[mossy palm]

Arma 3 avatar from Steam.

[alpine fractal]

yup! Thought it looked familiar but my brain turned on only a second ago

[unborn coyote]

already stated this in chat 😉
#industrial-professions message

[fallen crater]

so has CIG made any comments on the terminals?

[mossy palm]

AFAIK, nope.

[fallen crater]

been watching dev chat two days ago so far nothing but thats all im looking at

[ruby dirge]

Fully see your point and after reading the comments after yours this also all holds true.

Personally speaking , I wouldn’t mind a wipe but like earlier people said above, this whole rocking the economy from salvage to bounty to the next thing might also be a 200iq move by CIG to test and push people to play certain aspects of the game.

Only thing I Wished for if that’s the case, is if it was more apparent with any type of communication on their end, cause the sudden stop of demand for just drugs that people mainly made from bounty feels abrupt and purposefully done. Which makes me worry the next step would be to nerf the whole bounty loop into the ground which would be a shame.

Like another person said earlier, it is hella fun and exiting finding a bounty with a massive cargo of drugs, it just needs to be rare enough so it also has more value for the player as an unique event that they will be extra excited about cause it’s rare

[ruby dirge]

afaik the devs dont work on weekends so it will prolly be picked up tomorrow. Also it has the most upvotes and comments on the Issue Council atm, with a heap of duplicate reports so there is no way they wont see it first thing tomorrow xD

[mossy radish]

they are internally testing increased ship prices sooo...

[ruby dirge]

from what i seen they said it was only for the EPTU, those prices

[mossy radish]

yes, it didnt seem intentional. it leaked into that build

[ruby dirge]

plus CIG has shown in the past they arent as short sighted to just make it even harder for newer players to buy ships

imagine starting on 3.22 with increased ship prices, with all the current big money makers fixed and having to earn 4 million for a first ingame bought ship, whilst doing box missions in your aurora

[dull wadi]

where can you sell weevil eggs?

[mossy radish]

theyre definitely not going to do it 3.22. i didnt say that. im saying that theyre testing it out internally for the future

[ruby dirge]

ahh gotcha

sorry misread that. Saw a lot of buzz about people fearmongering that 3.22 was gonna have triple the ship prices as is in EPTU

[ruby dirge]

right now no where my friend sadly

all the demand for drugs has dried up since friday in game, not refreshing their stocks so no one is able to sell drugs as of friday

[dull wadi]

I've been able to sell other drugs though

[mossy radish]

sucks for me because i enjoy the loop

[dull wadi]

today

[ruby dirge]

same Unstowed, same. Its like gacha, seeing what you get from what ship

what kind of drugs ?

altrutoxin seems to be the only one where the demand frees up a little bit over time

all the others seem hard locked

[dull wadi]

etam, slam, altru, neon

[ruby dirge]

🤔 big quantities?

[dull wadi]

maybe not massive but it sold

[ruby dirge]

like this many people arent able to sell any drugs this weekend, and that is the people that put in effort to report and go trough the effort of putting it in there

[ruby dirge]

did you have to wait or just slam it in there and sell it

[dull wadi]

just sold

[ruby dirge]

gotcha

[dull wadi]

can't remember the exact amount I sold

[ruby dirge]

did you do it often this week or first few batches sold?

[dull wadi]

literally like 30m ago I sold that stuff

this is what I got out of them
etam 85k
altru 160k
neon 43k

not a lot but the day before I couldn't sell any xD

[ruby dirge]

gotcha, yeah those are smaller numbers, still some of it apparently yeah

might be slowly getting back on then? I dunno. What server and what location?

[dull wadi]

yeah maybe

EU

[ruby dirge]

also sorry for the barrage of questions haha , trying to wrap my head around the whole thing

[dull wadi]

but its synced between servers no?

[ruby dirge]

yes and no, havent seen a clear statement on that from CIG and personally never ran into any demand issues untill this friday, and 250 SCU per 16 minutes would be way more full if it was linked between server the past weeks with everyone on the salvage grind and the bounty grind

but some people say its linked so i dunno, personally dont think so since 250 scu in 16 minutes is filled by one person alone if you have a good ERT mission, let alone the hundreds of server all together

so we wouldve seen the demand filled way more often last couple weeks if that was the case.

[dull wadi]

true I guess

[silver echo]

The only reason I have to think servers aren't linked is that I used to, before this bug, could jump from server to server while bedlogging in my ship and sell once demand was met in one server

[ruby dirge]

yeah that as well

[dull wadi]

I just wanna sell the first eggs I've found

[grand frigate]

It's not only drugs
I stayed at Shubin Mining Facility SCD-1 yesterday for 30min and the stock of gold never came back, same for beryl
I might be wrong but it seems it's all the commodities system that became frozen
Has stated before we don't see the notification for the commodities price altern anymore

[silver echo]

You aren't wrong, selling anything at all is bugged

[silver echo]

That's how I feel, I did one VHRT yesterday and got 110SCU of eggs, first and so far the only time i've ever found any lol

[dull wadi]

woah nice

how much do the eggs even go for?

[ruby dirge]

110k per scu

[dull wadi]

damn

[ruby dirge]

oh i didn't know! Makes sense though with the notification for commodities not popping anymore

also just managed to sell a tiny fraction of drugs as well, but it was on a fresh server

[young steeple]

If you have not already, report the issue on the issue council: https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-95761

[mortal hinge]

you sold some? where?

[ruby dirge]

don't matter friend it was like 5 scu of e'tam and 2 scu of widow

and was on a fresh server, now it all full again with no demand

[unborn coyote]

Personally I think if devs want to add timewalls to items, at least make them fun and enjoyable.

Personally all of the other money avenues now are just not very enjoyable in their current state.

[ruby dirge]

its broken af though. There is no fun be had to make 100 million in a week . What to do after that? sure, the first 100 mil is fun sure, buy all ships and fly m for abit. But that novelty wears out really fast for a lot of players, which makes m bored and they stop playing

never talked about timewalls though dunno where you got that from, all i think they need to do is tune down that every other ship in ERT and VHRT has its full cargo filled with drugs, and make it a 1/10 or 1/20 encounter, or a special mission after doing a certain amount of bounties in a row. Just spitballing there. All i know is that the current state is too OP, no matter how people try to spin it, earning up to 20 million a ERT bounty if your lucky is just bonkers

[delicate girder]

People having any luck selling?

[ruby dirge]

only managed to sell like 5 scu for the past 2 hours, was just after a server reset and after that no more demand freed up

[delicate girder]

You mean like a server 30k ed?

[ruby dirge]

so it still going on, i expect like tomorrow this will either be adressed or fixed

yup, got a fresh server with over 20 server fps and low pop

everyone woke up and was standing at the ship reclamation pads at the space station, and i raced to devlin

[blissful wadi]

I think for this, it really hurts the players that are trying to do illegal cargo "the right way"(buying and selling). The people that are exploiting(playing a mission/doing an action that shouldnt be possible or is not intended) the game with this whole ERT thing are ruining it for those that are trying to do legitimate runs

and like what @ruby dirge said, it stops being fun rather quickly

and is completely unbalanced to other gameplay loops as well

[ruby dirge]

i mean exploiting is a bridge too far for my taste, since it's using a game loop provided to us. Exploiting would be the million duping people did back in the day

[blissful wadi]

I think that the ships that are in ERTs/VHRTs should have no cargo or just the cheap stuff.

should have defined my terms

[ruby dirge]

i mean it adds a big fun aspect imo to have a small chance of finding a drug ship once every so often, but it has to be rare

[delicate girder]

Really they need to just make eggs and maze happen VERY infrequently and in only small quantities.

[blissful wadi]

this

that can work as well

I mean, I was about to go do illegal cargo with my C1, running drugs by buying them somewhere and transpolrting them somewhere else, but I guess thats not gonna happen

[ruby dirge]

still if you read up a bit people made a very solid argument for this maybe being intentional by CIG to drive people toward testing bounties and getting cargo out of the bays of the soft-death ships

[blissful wadi]

I mean, yeah

[ruby dirge]

yeah this is the big downside right now

[blissful wadi]

but still, making it have you make 20 million is kinda insane

[ruby dirge]

oh 100% agree on that haha