industrial-professions

[next temple]

Is the C2 the only cargo ship that can fit 32SCU boxes?

[nimble sable]

connie can if you consider that cargo ship

also hull c

[next temple]

But can you sell at terminals even though you have boxes loaded in the Hull?

[patent solar]

the c1 can fit 2 32 scu crates

[next temple]

Like those super long boxes?

[spare cloud]

Yes

[next temple]

Is the C1 decent at defending itself or not really?

[spare cloud]

No cargo ship is decent at defending itself solo

[valid gyro]

so, how do i know what places are buying drugs

tried sc tools and the place it told me to sell wasnt buying

[spare cloud]

It surely was. But there was no demand. Meaning it was high on stocks

[hollow sedge]

How can I avoid the bug where cargo won’t let me pick it back up, and can I bed log in a random place with cargo in my ship for a bit if I get transaction cost mismatch?

[mental bobcat]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sUj31cDbICSC4eenNMJJoVNUFGcS8mDe2Vs60eYlWLo/edit?usp=drivesdk

This is a sheet someone made to show what ships can fit 32 SCU boxes

I can confirm that the reclaimer in practise cannot fit a 32 sized box as it's grid is very messed up and has been jury rigged to function for the cargo system. It's due a redesign to be aligned with newer ships.

[spare cloud]

You also can't fit 32scu container in its elevator without tricks

[mental bobcat]

Make a copy of the sheet if you want a copy to edit

[north kite]

those long boxes you can fit into a corsair

it fits 3 of them ungridded

and still has a decent amount of ungridded room for those smaller boxes

[spare cloud]

True but the sheet doesn't tell how much you can fit in the ships. Just that it can or not fit

[north kite]

cors wasnt on the sheet

¯_(ツ)_/¯

nvm

im blind

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spare cloud]

[north kite]

i think i should spend all my creds on putting deadbolts on my corsair

[spare cloud]

But yeah Corsair can easily fit 3x32 then have room for 40 more SCU in smaller containers.

[north kite]

actually i should do 4xs5 deadbolds and then use omniskys on the s4 hardpoints to aim before launching a salvo of ship shredders

mainly because the alpha damage disparity between the s5 and s4 deabolts

[spare cloud]

Yeah deadbolt are fun but #flight-combat-racing

[elfin rune]

good routes to try with the hull C, if i can rent in the expo?

id like to try the cargo system

[north kite]

sc trade tools

[spare cloud]

Rent a C2 instead. Hull C is different, it's not classic hauling, routes are limited and margins are very low.

[loud mural]

Can you do hull c trading in jump point stations?

[spare cloud]

Yes, but they only sell about 500 SCU of medical stuff so it's nothing really important for the Hull C

[loud mural]

Oh gotcha, guessing you will get a full cargo of iron everytime

[spare cloud]

I would buy helium or food if I had a Hull C

[elfin rune]

Oh so the stations doesnt buy a full C? Damn

[spare cloud]

I did not say that ?

[elfin rune]

Idk, i just expect the hauling to be full / empty

[pastel flame]

This C1 is a truly awesome little cargo runner

[north kite]

I know they’re different but at that amount of cargo I’ll just stick with my Corsair

[mental bobcat]

So what's the current hotness to do with trade routes?
I've not actually tried to do trade yet but I'm wanting to take my loaner C1 out for a spin

I saw someone say it's Beryl

True / not true?

[north kite]

Sc trade tools

[north kite]

A common thing is to hope the ore from outposts to TDD

Gold seems like your best bet

Minus supply issues because it also happens to be everybody’s best bet

Ah it looks like beryl is good for if you have a hull c, not the c1

Probably a supply thing

[graceful kiln]

Beryl is not a Hull C commodity

Beryl is what you haul if you have a C2/anything planet capable. Not as high profit as Gold, but you don't run into supply/demand issues

there's a few outposts that store up to 30k and produce something like 250/min, so always enough stock

but Hull C trading is its own thing as it can only trade at the 7 major stations

[hollow sedge]

how much does the C1 hold cargo unit wise

[spare cloud]

64 SCU iirc

[hollow sedge]

thanks, I really want to get into cargo since their is high risk high reward. You think C1 is a good ship to pledge to start cargo running?

[spare cloud]

Lawful cargo running isn't really worth anything with less than 120 SCUs. Better run drugs with 40 to 120 SCUs

[hollow sedge]

so is it like pretty good with a C2?

[spare cloud]

Oh yeah, currently C2 is the king hauler

[hollow sedge]

what about hull C?

[spare cloud]

EWWWWWW

Hull C is high risk no reward

[mental bobcat]

Hull C can't land on planets while full of cargo so you are limited to station commodities

[spare cloud]

Hull C can only trade in space stations, the 4 major ones + the 3 jump points.
So it can only trade a few commodities. It costs millions to buy a full load and margins are ridiculously low.

See the routes

Without the jumppoints, that are practically useless anyway

[hollow sedge]

ohhhhh

[graceful kiln]

High risk? The only risk involved in the Hull C is bugs, all of which can be mitigated. The real issue is that it simply isn't as profitable as doing Beryl runs

[hollow sedge]

I have been doing bunkers as my money making method but recentlly I can't do a single one cause they bug 24/7 and cargo sounds more chill

[hollow sedge]

thanks for the help

[hollow sedge]

you too

[spare cloud]

It was never meant to be

Cheap stuff are transported in massive packs.
Expensive stuff is transported in small bulks.
Basic transport.

[graceful kiln]

Yes, I'm well aware

the issue is that the Hull C's loop is hampered by having to make multiple trips to the station for no reason, and further time taken up by random shit like docking collars not extending, and so on

also... the economy is entirely nonexistant currently, so it's not like there's much point in judging at this time anyway

Hull C and above's main purpose is long haul trading, which doesn't even exist right now

the margins will be greater when there's a need and ability to travel across multiple systems

[hollow sedge]

@spare cloud hey how much can you make profit wise with a C2 in a run? or just average

[graceful kiln]

if you're doing Beryl, depending on how long a haul you want, 300-500k. The best profit/hour is the shorter runs, like Ita -> Hurston. A little below 300k, but like half the time as the longer ones

[spare cloud]

See !tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[broken harness]

What ships can fit a 3x1 cargo box?

[graceful kiln]

what do you mean by '3x1', cause by the measurements I know, there is no such size

like I figire a 1x1 would mean a 1SCU box

[spare cloud]

What do you mean ?

[graceful kiln]

so a 32scu box would be like 2x2x...8 I think

[broken harness]

Ah 32 SCU box

[spare cloud]

Correct

[broken harness]

We found a large box while salvaging an A2

But it's not snapping to the reclaimer's grid

Would an MSR work?

[spare cloud]

These ship : #industrial-professions message

[broken harness]

Thanks!

[spare cloud]

Have a ship that can take a 32 SCU box is already great. Having it to snap is an other thing

[cursive hinge]

Any tips what to trade just starting out with no cash? The drugs are always sold out, and I have small SCU so I cant really do big quantity low cost either :/ maybe Diamond or Beryl?

[high stag]

Just rented myself the caterpillar with about 600k to work with. Anyone know of a good place to get started doing some freight?

[coarse cedar]

an easy start if renting it from IAE on microtech is some of the same planet trips, like these, but you can use https://sc-trade.tools/home

[high stag]

Thats so awesome, thanks so much!

[mental bobcat]

Well I had an anonymous person try to hijack my C1 with gold on it. They piloted the ship and left the armistice zone so I just shot them for trespassing and stole their gear

They apparently also ragequit when they died because there was no name on their body

[delicate girder]

How'd they get in? Did you leave the lift/ramp down?

[high stag]

What kind of perameters did you put into the search filter? Having a hard time coming up with similar results

[delicate girder]

I'm guessing that you didn't put in that you have enough money.

[high stag]

I put in 500k available credit

[mental bobcat]

They ran up my ramp behind me as I was closing it. They were waiting behind a landing strut I think so I didn't see them

[delicate girder]

I'm assuming hauling is a bloodbath during IAE.

[delicate girder]

I did a search with a C2 and 5 million cr and I see what you mean. I don't see the gold run that they picked up in thier list.

[high stag]

Not only that but I'm trying to find routes outside of MT since new babbage is so buggy atm

[coarse cedar]

that search filter was restricting it to microtech, you could exclude microtech instead

[vivid brook]

what's the biggest SCU box a caterpillar can fit?

[high stag]

Anyone got any good ship builds for caterpillar runs?

[mental bobcat]

32 but ungridded

[high stag]

Are you able to turn off the blinking external lights on the caterpillar? Would be nice to go completely dark in risky situations

[vivid brook]

ty

[mental bobcat]

Don't think so, try checking the power screen to see if you can cut power to it

[delicate girder]

Just had a weird bug happen. I did some hauling to Orison and and was transferring both SCUs and stowage. This time I forgot the transfer the stowage to Orison local and stored the ship. Orison got an error and destroyed my C2 in the hanger where it was safely landed. Anyone seen this happen?

I think all other times I've remembered to move the stowage to the station before storing the ship with cargo.

[hollow sedge]

Can I throw 3 32cu containers in the raft?

right now

[sudden sedge]

I haven't tried it, but I believe the spreadsheet mentions so

[sudden sedge]

#industrial-professions message
Yep

[hollow sedge]

Nice, i wonder if i can fit small containers on the raft

Thank you btw

[sudden sedge]

Happy to help

[elfin rune]

Im theory thats its only job, 3x32 scu

But i havent tested myself

Love the argo ships in general tho

[tender sky]

so what is there a "cargo" selection at orbital stations when you are calling ATC?

why

Is there any use in contacting the cargo ATC?

[graceful kiln]

they're there to spawn the loading/unloading zone for Hull Cs

you actually make your purchases from the admin office

[loud mural]

The raft is special, the interior is so well thought

[hollow sedge]

If anyone here has the srv, please tag me. I want to know if you are able to go from crusader to micro tech and back on 1 tank with a crossfield drive

If so, how much fuel is left over?

[stable lion]

according to erkul it can make a return trip from arccorp to microtech on a crossfield drive so it definitely should make it from crusader to microtech and back, but for more data i'd have to test ingame

[hollow sedge]

Thank you

[spare cloud]

!erkul is your best friend ⬇️

[wary tusk]

#DPSCalculator

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[green mango]

Hey if I soft kill an NPC Mole can I take its bags and sell it at a station with a refinery

[bold yew]

I think you would have to put the bags on another mining ship then sell

unless they upgraded that system

[spare cloud]

Answered in #rock-and-stone

[toxic prawn]

I just bought a new C1 Spirit today after a full year off from SC. I had a Cutlass Black in the past, but I would like to learn again to do cargos with the C1. Anything changed since last year in cargo runs? I should also check one of those webs to see where to buy/sell things for best prices etc.

[worthy scroll]

The same site as back then is still the go-to for trading info. Be mindful of where you trade though, as real piracy exists now and some places are much more risky than others.

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[sleek willow]

now that ert's drop insane cargo, whats the best solo ship for ert with cargo capabilities?

im thinking a connie? not the most cargo but its something

[spare cloud]

Taurus yeah. Best connie. You can also do it with an Hercules

[sleek willow]

which would you say is better for pure solo erts?

[spare cloud]

I'm using an A2

Taurus got more fire power, and smaller profile. It's more convenient. It also has a ship tractor beam, for even more convenience.
But Hercules have that much bigger cargo area where you can easily play tetris without having the struts of the elevator to block you.

[sleek willow]

solid info! much appreciated!

[spare cloud]

A2 has a 3 times smaller grid compared to the C2, but the interior space is almost as big, so no big deal. You can fit almost as much. And those bombs are just so great to clear the scrap yard before landing

[sleek willow]

well damn im sold

now how do i find the money for an A2 lmao

[spare cloud]

You rent a Connie and you do the exact same game loop with it until you have the money

[sleek willow]

hahaha heard!

[hollow sedge]

!fit

[wary tusk]

Can it fit?

Credit goes to u/KriLL3 for the design

[spare cloud]

Please use #🤖┃bot_commands for yourself

[hollow sedge]

Can you fit any ground vehicles in the srv cargo bay? im about to try it in few hours, im at work atm

[toxic prawn]

Oh nice, thank you!

[toxic prawn]

What is that ert about? Can be done with a C1? Or I need a bigger cargo ship.

[pastel flame]

You could, but it would be agonizingly slow to complete

HRT is where I would want to stop with a C1

[toxic prawn]

damn.. I have no idea what ert or HRT means 😅 I'm bit lost after a year and half not playing

[spare cloud]

Very Low, Low, Medium, High, Very High and Extreme || Risk Target

VLRT, LRT, MRT, HRT, VHRT, ERT

Those are bounty hunter contracts.

[vestal ravine]

I've been doing these from scratch and am almost done with level 3 of 6. Very slow going the bigger ships are in the higher levels.

[toxic prawn]

Oh ok so for those missions you need a capable combat ship and some cargo right?

[vestal ravine]

Using the 600 I from the expo and other bigger ships for now just kill the leader then move on.

[spare cloud]

You just need a ship capable of fighting. But it turns out that the targets in the hardest of these missions have big amounts of drugs in their haul. This is the reason why most do those missions with a cargo hauler, capable of taking all of that drug and sell it at a scrapyard.

[toxic prawn]

Ok cool, its optional but you get more loot in general

[vestal ravine]

Coming up all ships for rent grab a 600 use missiles and ramming just the lead guy or find someone to share the higher contracts.

[toxic prawn]

I could bring a friend with a cargo ship too, so its good to know how it works

[vestal ravine]

So far levels 1 through 3 no cargo ships per se. Does he have a good fighter?

[toxic prawn]

A medium size fighter I think

[north kite]

Corsair :)

[toxic prawn]

I will check those BH missions first myself, with my light fighter

[spare cloud]

Meh

[north kite]

I love my Corsair

[spare cloud]

Yeah, lower tiers are much more enjoyable with a light fighter. When you arrive at HRTs, you'll want something with more punch

[toxic prawn]

and with my C1 start with cargo runs, to learn again the loop mechanic

there are more players doing piracy these days?

[spare cloud]

Probably less than last patch, but there are a lot

[north kite]

It’s not insanely prevalent for legal cargo

It’s mainly camping scrapyards

[toxic prawn]

I guess the tractor beam helped to that so they can now get all your cargo and sell right?

[toxic prawn]

oki

[north kite]

Probably watch yourself on hull c routes because I imagine that’s where most pirates will be

[graceful kiln]

it's really not

[spare cloud]

Hull C is probably the worst thing to pirate

[graceful kiln]

they hang around the drug buy/sell spots and Gold

[spare cloud]

And the route with the less pirates

Pirates are on planet surfaces

[graceful kiln]

Pirates will always favor the places that deal in high-value, low-volume goods

I honestly don't see much piracy ever being done on the majority of Hull-# ships and routes

[spare cloud]

Hull C is the complete opposite, high volume, low value

[north kite]

Ik drugs are #1 pirated but I didn’t really think gold would be something

[graceful kiln]

like, what's a pirate gonna do with 20,000 scu of Titanium?

[graceful kiln]

less often than drugs, but gold's the highest value legal mineral you can buy

[north kite]

Yeah but you just stick them up for a million because they have to load their bank into the ship

[graceful kiln]

not as easy to pirate though, due to armistice zones

[north kite]

They ransom it

They ransom the hull c

[graceful kiln]

Yeah, but you also need a much bigger force to threaten the Hull D (C is only 4k scu)

[north kite]

Isn’t gold sold at TDDs

[graceful kiln]

no

[north kite]

Huh

[graceful kiln]

it's bought at TDDs

[spare cloud]

Only one good traded with Hull C really requires you to empty your bank account. Others are worth less than 2mil a full load

Just look at this, do your maths

[toxic prawn]

How? in the space I guess. Its easy for them to get you while traveling?

[spare cloud]

I think you both say the same thing here. TDDs buy gold, player sells gold at TDDs

[graceful kiln]

randomsing will certainly be a thing - and I hope it is, since its better than just murder-hoboing - however it will take more organization on the part of the pirates

enough firepower to actually threaten the large ships, the Mantis/etc to lock them down, and so on

don't forget with engineering/armor changes, you're not going to be much of a threat to a Hull D in an Arrow

[north kite]

Idk the hull c kinda defenseless

[graceful kiln]

refer to what i just said

[north kite]

I meant with an mantis

[graceful kiln]

Mantis has basically no guns on its own lol

[north kite]

You can probably blow one up with missiles

[graceful kiln]

...large ships are gonna be faaar less fragile than you're thinking

as they should be, just as a matter of being big

[north kite]

Oh well

[graceful kiln]

and a Mantis isn't gonna be killing any with a total of... looks like 4 missiles?

[north kite]

Is it 4

lol

[graceful kiln]

according to the wiki, yes

[north kite]

Anyways you just duo then ig

500k each person still is pretty good even if you don’t get many hits

[graceful kiln]

again, as I said earlier - people wanting to pirate the Hulls enroute will need a fairly significant force including a Mantis and enough guns to threaten it. So, Mantis, plus some things big enough. I'm sure it will happen

but it won't be common

because that's a lot of people and materiel to make it happen

[north kite]

imo a 2 person group isn’t hard to put together

And just make sure you have a mantis and a bigger ship or your 2nd has a bigger ship

You think a cutty black would cut it?

I’m not familiar with the hull c defenses

[graceful kiln]

again, it's not about what the Hull C can shoot back (and I'll note I've been talking about the Hull C and up the whole time, since there's 3 of them and all), but whether the attackers can actually do enough damage to threaten it

since we don't know what armor/etc will look like, it's hard to say for sure

[spare cloud]

Why would you pirate Hull C anyway, when you can make much more with the exact same pirate team

On scrap yards

[toxic prawn]

Materials prices are static or they added some kind of dynamic economy to cargo materials?

[graceful kiln]

you're also forgetting the other issue - what if the Hull pilot doesn't pay? Now you've wasted all your time and, even if you manage to kill it, all you get is a bunch of low-value cargo you can't really haul away anyway

[spare cloud]

Prices are lower when stocks are high, but it's never a huge and significant difference

[north kite]

Well theoretically drugs will be seen as high risk anyways and there are multiple routes

[toxic prawn]

I'll check trade tools website everytime I want to do cargo runs then, thanks guys!

[north kite]

With the hull c they’re making it seem like the most popular trading ship and there really isn’t many different routes to take rn for good profit

[spare cloud]

Yeah ? Does that invalidate what I said ?

[graceful kiln]

there isn't really any piracy going on right now either lol

literally no one's gonna bother pirating a Hull C until the Hull C is viable to run

[north kite]

Yes and no

[spare cloud]

Use it to set your routes, not to check prices in real time. It is not real time updated

[graceful kiln]

and that isn't going to happen until we get multiple systems with major trade hubs

the Hull C is going to be the most common... of the Hull Series ships. I don't think it will be anywhere near the most common cargo ship

because it's limited to station-station trading

[north kite]

What I’m saying it that although getting a drug runner will be more profitable, drug running itself may just not be as popular, plus you’d still have to guess which scrap yard people want to go to

[graceful kiln]

drug running and high value/low volume is going to be a lot more popular than Hull series trading, that I can guarantee you

[north kite]

Reading the little lore bit on it, it seems that cig want to make it the most popular ship in general

[graceful kiln]

think of it more like this

[toxic prawn]

Oh ok good to know

[graceful kiln]

the Hull C is a large box truck

they're incredibly common on the roads

however, most players... aren't contracted truck drivers

some will have them, but most won't

lorewise they're probably going to be the most common ship... because corporations run massive fleets of them

honestly a lot of piracy is gonna be done against NPCs compared to PCs

[north kite]

Perhaps

Also going back to what if they don’t pay

Then they get blown up and lose the money all together

Very few will pick that option

[graceful kiln]

you'd be surprised

and okay, but the pirates also don't get much of anything out of that either

[north kite]

They either lose 800k or the full 2 Milly

[graceful kiln]

you vastly underestimate most players' willingness to be petty to pirates I think

if I could afford the loss, I would absolutely call a small pirate group on their 'bluff'

this is all very hypothetical anyway, and doesn't even take into account the security status/forces within the systems

[north kite]

Sell coords to it ig

[graceful kiln]

Hulls will most likely be sticking to well-traveled space between major trade hubs

be pretty hard to pirate along those, I'd expect

[north kite]

Just get somebody to pay you 1m for 2m worth of cargo

[graceful kiln]

so now you need a separate 3rd party of illegals operating in your area to be profitable?

[north kite]

No

Just to anybody

[north kite]

And not to be profitable

Just to offset the few petty people

[graceful kiln]

and all of this, mind you, needs to be done before local security/mercenaries can be summoned to aid

which might not be that long in the kinds of systems you're likely to find a lot of Hull C/D/E traffic

All I'm saying is that Hulls aren't going to be the primary target for a lot of pirate groups. They'll need a fairly efficient/well equipped setup to make it worthwhile in the areas you'll find a lot of them. Doable, sure, but not for many

[north kite]

Well how it’s set up currently is that you are expected to have your own escort

[graceful kiln]

currently we have basically none of the systems in place that will exist, and local security status/reputation is a ways out. But I'm not talking about now because no one gives a shit now, heh.

[north kite]

Otherwise you are not in any comm link area to alert the authorities nor are you in any planet jurisdiction so now you have to get the navy to care

[north kite]

Local security forces will probably not care you got pirated outside their jurisdiction

[graceful kiln]

True, but I imagine 'jurisdiction' will likely spread further than 'in the immediate, tiny areas around stations and outposts'

plus, any security force worth existing isn't gonna just go 'meh, pirates in the system? They're outside the gravity well, don't care'

[north kite]

It’ll still have a cutoff outside of the planet

[graceful kiln]

maybe

[north kite]

Lmfao that’s exactly how it is irl

Well

[graceful kiln]

considering there's no piracy in space, not really

[north kite]

I was going to comment on that but my phone autocorrect kept making sci-fi into eco

[north kite]

But it’s precisely you go out of that forces jurisdiction and it’s no longer their problem to care about

[graceful kiln]

also, there's one other aspect, in that all it'll take for a player in a Hull C to avoid this sort of issue is to make an extra jump enroute, rather than going in straight line routes

[north kite]

Yes but it’s human to be lazy

Most people will take convenience over safety

(Also depending on the math of it, they’d have to take a pretty big inconvenience to evade the snare)

[tribal fulcrum]

ahahahahah i thought Terrachova was talking to himself lol

[delicate girder]

How many 32 SCU containers can a Taurus hold?

[spare cloud]

4

[delicate girder]

Can a Corsair hold one?

[spare cloud]

It can hold 3, and have room for 40 more SCU in smaller containers

Taurus can hold 4 and have room for 80 more SCU in smaller containers

[delicate girder]

Wait, then 32 SCU containers must take up less then 32 SCU of space then because that math is more than the max SCU of the ships.

[hollow sedge]

It can hold 3? I was only able to put 2 in there

this is coming from someone that can put 2 32cu's in a nomad and then some more

[spare cloud]

3 easy

[delicate girder]

What?

[spare cloud]

It doesn't. But we place them off grid, and my totals are taking into account ALL of the off grid space.

[hollow sedge]

I can stuff cargo in places that's... Not conventional

[delicate girder]

Ah, ok

I was hoping that we could do silly shit like that with a Nomad!

[hollow sedge]

yee I can stuff the nomad just under 90cu's

quantum able no problem

Just under what I can stuff the tarus

[delicate girder]

Is that after you landed and they fell out?

Bet that will get nerfed.

[hollow sedge]

Quantum is bit more brutal than landing

[hollow sedge]

that did not fall out, I use the top housing to pinch the box's

[delicate girder]

Surprised that didn't blow up.

[hollow sedge]

nomad has an area effect bubble for it's cargo bay, its almost like it's own gravity

so it's not like other ships with it's cargo bay

it's consitent force being applied downwards

so w/e happens back there won't effect the ship really

[delicate girder]

Wait, so you filled the 24 SCUs grid then pinch the two 32s?

[hollow sedge]

pretty much

I can do 3 32cu's but it's a catch 50/50 once I jump into quantum

4 32cu's is almost possible but not enough for me to keep doing it.

If they made the nomad 5 feet wider, it's 100% possible to do 4 32cu's no problem on any lvl.

[tame narwhal]

Alright someone teach me how to do cargo hauling

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[graceful kiln]

Buy low, sell high

[tame narwhal]

Fair

I wanna get into cargo

I have a c1

[tender sky]

This is wild. How janky was it trying to get it in there

[hollow sedge]

Pretty jank, but once it "rest's" holds pretty well, you can kinda hot rod it around without worrying to much.

not like it's loose back there.

[tender sky]

Pretty awesome

Guess I'm gonna keep my nomad for good lol

Also I think I saw some carry Pisces in the back

[graceful kiln]

use the trade tools website you linked, its fairly straightforward. Don't put any more than half your current aUEC into any given load, just in case

can go drugs or stick with legal stuff (for safety); for the latter, minerals generally best. Start with highest profit margen, then move to maxing out your cargo. Gold's good, but has supply issues

[tame narwhal]

<3

[tender sky]

can a c2 be rented in game?

besides IAE

[fallen atlas]

It is not

[humble dew]

idk if this is the right channel but my quest bugged out and i didnt get my reward so does any rich player want to buy a box of medical supplies lmfao

[blissful wadi]

anyone know if the RAFT uses the cargo center?

[delicate girder]

So what is better in game so far for cargo. Having a ship with a tractor beam or just using one of the new big handheld tractor guns?

[late wagon]

it doesnt. It uses a pad

[delicate girder]

Plus it wouldn't be profitable at all at that small scale.

[high stag]

Is the C2 starlifter better for running freight than the caterpillar?

I guess the more appropriate question is what is the best ship to buy for cargo that you can get with aUEC?

[delicate girder]

It could be argued that the Cat has more style, but what can't be argued is that the Cat is painfully slow at taking off and landing in atmo. The C2 doesn't have that problem.

[high stag]

And the C2 carries more right? I rented both and liked how versatile the C2 was

thinking about buying the C2 instead

[delicate girder]

Yep. The C2 is much more versatile and much more agile.

[high stag]

Got any builds on hand for a long range trade runner?

[delicate girder]

%1 replace the horrible bolon QT drive with the fastest! Everything else is optional.

You could replace the shields with slightly better, but it's not really that important unless you're going to fight with it.

[high stag]

Is that the TS-2?

[delicate girder]

yes

[high stag]

I might get shot at doing drug runs

Always a possibility

Thanks so much for the help. Glad I checked before going and blowing 5 mil

[delicate girder]

I'm running cargo in an IAE rental Cat now and it's painful!

[high stag]

Haha yeah thats what I've been doing too... its like a boat

[delicate girder]

Running it in a rental C2 is painful too since you are stuck with the QT drive.

[high stag]

Good point

Is there any way to figure out how long it would take to fill this order?

These wait times in some areas have been exrutiatingly slow..

Especially for Slam Production

[delicate girder]

Don't wait to fill a C2. Get what you can get of the good stuff and then fill it up with the rest or make a couple hops.

[high stag]

I guess I still have a lot to learn

Do you run circular routes?

[delicate girder]

My experience is the more I get fancy the more I'm asking for trouble from other players, server problems, etc. When you have that much money on the line, the faster the better.

[high stag]

Ok so just point a to point b

It just seems like 696 SCU of gold isn't realistic since you have to wait for several refreshes

So the profit margin is kinda false

Looks like the best is beryl runs for 480k prof

[delicate girder]

It only takes one player wonting to test his A1 or A2 or torp bomber to find you during that long wait.

[high stag]

Truueee

[mental bobcat]

I'm specifically running a C1 for this outpost because I'm very unlikely to be able to get fully loaded on anything bigger when I show up.

[low dagger]

can you still not do any large scale trading the misc hull c?

[solid creek]

wheres the best place to sell gold

[vestal ravine]

Dapper the MT to Orison run has or had a nice bonus. With Beryl you can generally get a full load in the C2 for 1.5 million. Try it sometime!!

[vestal ravine]

Unless it has a TDD that offers a noticeable bonus probably any big city.

[solid creek]

Tyty

[vestal ravine]

Yea that Area 18 selling spot sounds reasonable! Thanks!

[blissful wadi]

what would be a decent route to take my C1 through?

[spare cloud]

Drugs

[blissful wadi]

how?

your talking to someone that has never really traded before lol

[spare cloud]

!tradetools ⬇️ just select the C1 and investment, it'll show you the drug routes.

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[blissful wadi]

I didnt see any drugs on there

ah there we go

[spare cloud]

You can fill up with Widow and slam, if you have space left, altruciatoxin, then go sell it all at once. Simple route, good enough. Not like you can do any better with a C1 anyway

[blissful wadi]

what about gold?

thats the only thing this is giving me

[spare cloud]

Gold is ok, drugs are better.

[blissful wadi]

looks like SLAM is the best

[spare cloud]

Tradetools can take a bit to get used to it, but filters shouldn't be hard to get through. They're probably the reason why it's only showing you gold

[blissful wadi]

whats better, pure profit or profit over time

[spare cloud]

SLAM is the best. But there will often not be enough to fill your ship in once buy, so you'll fill the rest of it with widow, and altruciatoxin

[spare cloud]

I'm telling you since the beginning, drugs.

[blissful wadi]

that didnt help at all nor did it answer my quesrtion

re read

I know to buy drugs

[spare cloud]

Oh yeah, read "what's the best"

[blissful wadi]

lol I figured

[spare cloud]

Well, depends on you, do you want max profit on one run, or over time. But actually, in this case, they're the same.

[blissful wadi]

thinking of this route

[spare cloud]

Oh yeah, you're not running empty

I would just do JT > Brio's > JT over and over

[blissful wadi]

ok

[spare cloud]

But I like the idea of not making empty runs, even if it might not be the most rewarding

[blissful wadi]

so when I pull up JT to Brios, it is only showing Altruciatoin

and I dont think that as a starting run, I should be running in open space lol

[spare cloud]

Probably because you don't have wait times allowed and tradetools is only showing runs with one commodity, not a mix of commodities

https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522C1%2520Spirit%2522,%2522investment%2522:1000000,%2522itemName%2522:%2522Corundum%2522,%2522itemQuantityInScu%2522:1,%2522wreckNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522allowWaitTimes%2522:true,%2522itemTypes%2522:%255B%2522Vice%2522%255D,%2522itemTypesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522maxVolume%2522:64,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%2522Moon%2520surface%2522%255D,%2522locationTypesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%255D%257D

Damn 5 kilometers link

[blissful wadi]

but then again, this route is really only if no one is running the trade route right?

because of how limited SLAM is

so technically, I could pick up as much SLAM as possible at JT, then run over to Nuen Waste and pick up WiDoW, then run to Brios

[spare cloud]

Mh yeah, reason why you mix it with widown and altruciatoxin. If you're lucky, you'll have 40 SCU of SLAM and 20 of Widow, that's good money

You'll often arrive and stock will be low you'll fill only half of your ship. Just wait for stocks to go back up, it's not as long as tradetools says it is

[spare cloud]

Yeah, if you don't want to wait at JT, you can do this. Buy all of JT SLAM and WidoW, go to Nuen, fill with more WidoW and E'Tam and rest and >> Brio's

That's actually pretty good

Definitely not as painful as having to land in cities

I hate cities

[vestal ravine]

The issue I had with JT there is no QT marker for it so I had to fly down from orbit to get there. Sometimes there is a mission giver for that site but I think he changed to Raven's Roost this patch. Anyway I go to the other drug sites that have QT markers and I can send you a cheat sheet for those. Also Brio's is a very dangerous spot to sell at. Let me know.

[blissful wadi]

any help would be ncie

[vestal ravine]

ok will send via a Direct Message...

[tall relic]

Anyone any recommends for any good low risk routes for HULL C?

[tall relic]

tyvm

[low dagger]

the profit on these still kills me

[spare cloud]

[low dagger]

I would love to use the misc hull c but god damn it aint worth the hassle I feel like

[vestal ravine]

I heard of a team using it to sell from at a Salvage Yard. I suppose they hovered above the site for the sale. Then they loaded it in space as part of the salvage ops. Does anyone know more about that process?

[low dagger]

i dont see how that would work tbh

[vestal ravine]

Do you mean it might crash trying such a move?

[low dagger]

probably

it isnt meant to land let alone hover with a full load but idk

[spare cloud]

Do ERTs with friends, collect drugs with Hull C, go to Brio's, use 2nd cargo ship to take drugs from Hull C to Brio's.
Ngl, useless

[low dagger]

yeah fuck that

[vestal ravine]

That sounds like a novelty process that could make a cool screenshot but the extra transfers is not to good.

[hollow sedge]

Yeah but you can use the srv to help bring the ship in!

[vital juniper]

Where can i sell helium lol

[spare cloud]

See Best Buyers on !tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[vital juniper]

That doesnt work

tried it

[fallen atlas]

https://uexcorp.space/commodities:HELI

[vital juniper]

So EH cant buy it?

[fallen atlas]

If it's listed.

[fallen atlas]

For some reason helium's not on that list.

[spare cloud]

You're running the Hull C ?

[vital juniper]

Yep

[vital juniper]

trying it out since im considering getting it

Thats odd

I think they may have removed helium from EH

The sell side doesnt list it

[fallen atlas]

It's not listed on the link I sent

[vital juniper]

that too

[fallen atlas]

Baijini is the spot it seems

which aligns with the above graphic

[vital juniper]

going to try that out

Hull C is a cool ship

Dont know if its worth giving up my corsair and vulture though

[spare cloud]

Definitely not, not for now at least.

[vital juniper]

my server started 30king when i got to the terminal

[spare cloud]

RIP

[vital juniper]

woah

got lucky

lol

im selling now

And now I'm seeing the issue with this lol

I have to redock

Buy what I want

Undock

Load up

Go to another station and start over

So to sell and buy its

Dock

Sell

Unload

Dock

Buy

Load

Seems like a huge novelty right now

But will probably we decent in the future

I think I made 200k in profit

Which is about as much as a C2 running gold

And the 10 minutes I spend loading and unloading is almost as long as a full run of gold lol

[spare cloud]

Gold C2 makes over 1 mil in a single run. Hull C makes way less money than C2

[vital juniper]

Really?

Selling where? Lol

[spare cloud]

Any TDD

[sour cairn]

Hull c is kinda useless right now

They only buy or sell cargo at major stations and you can't land it planetside so now the stations are just jump points so it's just a joke in game

[vital juniper]

Yeah

[low dagger]

how do you do the gold run

[vital juniper]

Yeah lol

Im confused on how that makes a mil a run

[low dagger]

you must share your secrets

[low dagger]

god damn

what the fuck

[vital juniper]

huh

yeah

taht does check out

im just bad with math

[spare cloud]

Better run beryl TBH, much faster runs, without huge wait times at the buy point, risking your whole load.

[vital juniper]

That's what

200k a run?

[vital juniper]

I'm bad at math again

[spare cloud]

[low dagger]

landing at orison is a pain in the ass tho

[spare cloud]

Why ?

[low dagger]

takes ages

[spare cloud]

Not really

Just as long as other planets 🤷

[low dagger]

but at microtech you can land more or less right next to the TDD

[spare cloud]

Yeah, mT has this very convenient surface entry

[tall karma]

Ita to Loreville beryl runs seems like most aUEC/hr because you can do 3-4 of them an hour.

[graceful kiln]

it is, from my own timing anyway

that's without any glitches/weird slowdowns

[spare cloud]

Don't see the difference with Daymar/Orison tbh. Excect that it makes more money around Crusader

[graceful kiln]

Lorville's quicker to get to the TTD

also, Crusader can be a bit of a pain to get around depending on the positioning

the map doesn't plan the OM's properly and will often give you a route that you can't actually do because the planet's in the way

[spare cloud]

[tall karma]

Supply

[graceful kiln]

oh right yeah, there's that too

the only outposts with effectively infinite supply are Microtech and Ita

Daymar's Shubin has a 5700scu max, but regens slowly, so depending how long you go for it'll run out

[tall karma]

And everyone using shubin on daymar for Gold suck up what little supply of beryl it has.

So Ita to loreville is fastest because you can guaranty a full C2 every time you land at one of the mining stations

With no wait

[spring river]

what can you haul with the hull c?

[graceful kiln]

more specifically you can haul anything sold at stations that you can load the cargo at, which is the 'hub' station for each planet, plus the Jump Point Gate stations

[spring river]

where do you sell helium tho?

[spare cloud]

You buy where it's orangeish you sell where it's blue

[spring river]

thank you

[spring river]

where are you supposed to buy it bc none of the stuff at port tressler is showing up at the admin

[spare cloud]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Cargo station afaik

[graceful kiln]

it's in Admin, but that graphic IIRC was made before the jump gate stations were added, and they changed some of what's available at the others

[merry marlin]

What’s the cheapest resource? I wanna fill my hull C for fun

imagine intercepting a hull c with 4608 SCU of maze

almost half a billion aUEC

[fallen atlas]

check out !tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[fallen atlas]

find whichever commodity fits your budget best and sell that at a profit until you can afford what is most profitable

[merry marlin]

well i’m not buying it to make profit i literally just wanna see what it looks like fully loaded

[fallen atlas]

https://uexcorp.space/commodities:IODI maybe?

or waste if you can find it

you could probably just look at a screenshot though

[maiden steppe]

Playing with the hull c. What happens if you log out with an order pending for pick up in admin?

[ripe dove]

did they fix the bug that if small cargo was on bigger cargo if you sold it you wouldnt get money at the trade term?

[waxen coral]

How long is every reset for cargo inventory?

[fresh ivy]

Any fix for the looping "starting cargo transfer" "i'm getting an error on your cargo" error when loading cargo on a Hull C?

[sturdy oak]

big noob here, using the trade tools, i was just gonna try out buying like 4SCU of SLAM for 48k to sell for 72k, but where on yela would i actually buy the SLAM?

and what tools would i need if buying things like this?

[tall karma]

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/SLAM

You just need a ship with a cargo grid, money, and know where to sell.

[sturdy oak]

thank you pal, one more noob question, if theres a red padlock on what i have in my ships inventory and the item isnt in demand does that mean i cant sell it?

[glossy peak]

Anyone have any idea how to get rid of the unclaimed cargo warning?

[spring river]

qt away

To a different planet

[glossy peak]

ive done that and its been here since last night

[spring river]

maybe join a new server

[glossy peak]

i even changed regions 😦
its inescapable

[tame narwhal]

Do I buy in stanton and sell in euterpe, or am I understanding this wrong?

[spare cloud]

You buy in Euterpe and sell in Tressler

[tame narwhal]

Whats the thing ab stanton>microtech and whatever then

[spare cloud]

Read Stanton > microTech > Euterpe as Euterpe, orbiting microTech, orbiting Stanton

[tame narwhal]

oh thats where it is

[spare cloud]

[tame narwhal]

thank you

[tall karma]

Either the place doesn't buy your supply or has no demand

[mild grail]

Is the trade routes tool accurate for what i should sell in a c2?

[spare cloud]

Pretty accurate.

[lucid rivet]

Want to move some cargo to make money, ran I to pirates last night because I didn't know it was a crazy pvp area. Anyone got a list of toxic areas to avoid?

[spare cloud]

Any of the most common buy/sell points.
Scrap yards and gold route mostly

[mild grail]

The speed of the C2 quantum drive after upgrading is amazing.

[spare cloud]

It's the speed before upgrading that's disgusting ewww Kama

[mild grail]

It's so slow before upgrading. It's night and day

[spare cloud]

Truly

And it really has a huge tank so no reason to stick with Kama

Kama 2 277M km range Yeah sure, 20 times stanton

[mild grail]

It's going to be an amazing ship for Pyro. I heard the solar flares can knock out the shields though.

[spare cloud]

I wanna see this sooo much

[mild grail]

I hope the cargo pay is insane in Pyro with how treacherous it is

[grizzled plume]

so... is my mustang alpha not being able to hold a box a recent patch issue or just a cool surprise feature?

[spare cloud]

Both

[grizzled plume]

think i can switch back to my aurora?

[spare cloud]

You could melt the mustang and buy an Aurora instead yeah, or stick with it for now, maybe rent a cheap ship that can do it, like the Titan.

[desert echo]

Ive been starting out on legal salvaging cargo contracts but can't seem to sell ore. Does anyone know why these are like locked and Im unable to sell?

[grizzled plume]

but if i melt it ill lose my game packages and perks right?

[spare cloud]

If your game package is an old one with stuff that can't be bought anymore, you better keep it, or if you melt it, rebuy it from buybacks and upgrade but in your case that would be useless, since you can't upgrade to the ship you're aiming for.

If it isn't an old package, you can just melt it an buy Aurora package instead

Ask in #ccu-and-fleet-advice for more details. This isn't the place for it

[grizzled plume]

i bought it in 2015

ty though

[wintry radish]

So I decided to try out the Hull-C and found a handy chart for where to buy/sell what, but

it appears to be incorrect?

I tried bringing Iron to Seraphim Station but it doesn't look like they're actually buying iron anymore

so now I have like 4,000 SCU of iron and no idea where to sell it, because according to SC Trade Tools NONE of the major stations buy it

Am I just trying to sell in the wrong placE?

[graceful kiln]

Thats because it was made before the jump gate stations were added and is thus out of date

Apparently the trade tools site has that stuff but i havent checked

But you definitely can sell iron. Theres 7 stations. The four at the planets, plus Terra, Magnus, and Pyro

[sage spire]

Can i trade with the Hull C without any issues rn? Thinking of upgrading to it.

[spiral pulsar]

im thinking about melting mine, its been a lot of headaches

[swift trench]

Quick question, I managed to find a 16SCU box of maze and im trying to sell it at brio's. Apparently there is no demand, will that ever change? Or is there anywhere else I can sell it

[spiral pulsar]

you could try visiting other scrapyards, but yes the demand will change

[coarse cedar]

Cru-l4 and l5 have no questions asked terminals too

At L4 check by lockers on galleria
At L5 check the construction area

[swift trench]

will try there, thank you 🙂

[coarse cedar]

The demand is not only based on your server so someone on another server might be selling and using up all the demand.
Scrapyards have best refresh rate for demand, but are more risky. The L4 and L5 are slower refresh but in armistice so are safe

(for drugs legal stuff the TDD has big demand)

[mild jolt]

are the distilled spirts @ jumppoints hard capped at sell-600 scu or is this a bug. b/c i can sell 600 at a time multible times but no mater how long i wait 600 remains the same

[broken harness]

Which ships have working tractor beams now?

[wraith cairn]

I believe its all of these

[broken harness]

Oh awesome

[wraith cairn]

As that's the list of all that have been tested in PTU before and Im pretty sure they got them all working

[sly pebble]

How do i do hull c cargo loading

It keeps saying it is starting cargo transfer and then it says it is stopping

Like there is an error

[wraith cairn]

You do know you have to fly to a certain location to actually load the goods with a Hull C? Or is it not giving you the location/making it active?

And you made sure you deployed the cargo spindles?

[dark folio]

Who buys hephaestanite?

[spare cloud]

See best buyers on !tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[wintry radish]

Tradetools doesn't seem like it's up to date with regards to stations. Also, added note, we're flying a Hull C so our options are unfortunately limited

[spark star]

quick google search does wonders

[wintry radish]

Neither of these charts has been accurate so far either. For one thing, taking Iron to Seraphim already screwed us over

They don't buy it anymore

Neither does Baijini, IIRC

Though the Terra jump point does

[dark folio]

Onky reason I asked here is because everything that comes up on a google search has proven questionable at best

[spark star]

That's because most things are community build. There is no official page where you can get all info instantly. You'll need to find out ingame about it.
Also searching on google and then adjusting the time span to last month will mostly give you the right answers.

[dark folio]

I'm aware thee is no official page where I can get all info instantly. That's why I asked the chat specifically dedicated to discussing this (i.e. the community) for their input to see if they knew anything I wasn't finding.

[spark star]

No worries reddit is also a good source of info. Try to search for the most recent topics there. People have a few dedicated topics also there for cargo

[dark folio]

That's fair. I'll take a look at recents there as well next time something comes up.

Trial and error has gotten us out of this one, I think, which means it's time for me to sleep.

[spark star]

xD Ores are all sold refined/unrefined on all the refinery's There is a lil terminal. And to see what specific TBD's buy them in the cities trade tools shows a lot of info on it

[quartz drum]

Little question about cargo, A2 is like 200SCU and C2 about 700 SCU. Is it real ? 700SCU ? How the C2 can get 500 more SCU than A2 they do same size

[wintry radish]

Because the A2 is full of bombs

[spark star]

A2 has bombing capabilities C2 is purely cargo

[quartz drum]

Yes but a had an A2, bomb take just a little place in the big cargo hold corridor. Idk where are the 500 more SCU lol

So C2 is the biggest cargo ship

[spark star]

Currently ingame? Hull C

But A2 vs C2 yea C2 all the way

[quartz drum]

Or maybe I should go for Taurus as solo player ? Idk between Taurus and C2

Hull is so big but I prefer to keep a minimum firepower

[spark star]

If i'm just doing small cargo runs. The illegal kind i just use my andromeda. enough room for a few scu and makes a decent profit. With a big punch incase i get attacked

[spare cloud]

A2 grid is artificially reduced. Interior space is basically the same, but in A2 the grid is only 2 SCU high. Double in C2. But both have the space for 4 SCU high grid.

[spark star]

Hull C if i'm with 2 people atleast

[spare cloud]

If you're doing illegal stuff, A2 is to consider. Bombs are very convenient for that kind of stuff

[spare cloud]

If A2 grid made sense, it would have room for at least 400 SCU on grid

Bombs take some space

[quartz drum]

Ahhh I see, they have same space but A2 is blocked to 2 SCU high

[spare cloud]

[quartz drum]

Thank you for this answer 😂

That was not obvious 🤔

[sage spire]

Why does my Hull C keep saying check your posistion when im trying to load and theres nothing around me

[minor ridge]

cause it's a pain in the ass

I assume you fixed it by now, but yeah do a little wiggle then stop dead, or dip nose out and back in box

[sick ether]

Did they ever fix cargo vanishing if it's stacked?

[spare cloud]

I think so

Haven't heard anyone complaining about this in a while

[sick ether]

I'm trusting you then lmao

[minor ridge]

last bug i had about 2 weeks ago was the uhhh. cargo arms not extending right/being all crazy.

That was it xD

[spare cloud]

[sick ether]

Any suggested cargo runs?

Hopefully looking for a run that will have high stock to start with

[sick ether]

Cargo has such little profit damn.

[spare cloud]

lmao no

[loud mural]

Well it's not the fastest way to make money but it's pretty straight forward

[graceful kiln]

The fastest way to make money is a way that is 100% made to be more profitae than it should be, to get people to test the mechanics involved

[sly pebble]

I was at the location and it kept saying it was starting to load the goods and then it said there was an error and it was stopping, and then starting again, and then stopping. I assume just another bug

[sick ether]

Just realized upon arriving I didnt even have the money to really make this work.

[spare cloud]

[sick ether]

fuk

I just wanna buy a prospector man lmao

[shrewd pasture]

any update if they have fixed the Hull-c yet (to be reliable for trading that is)

[final pasture]

Hey so I currently own the 600I and really like cargo stuff, should I upgrade the 600I with my remaining account money to the Hull C or should i spent 40 buckaroos more to get a smaller hull A and keep my 600I?

[fallen atlas]

That's completely up to you, but the C will be a bit annoying to use in comparison to something with an internal cargo bay.

[final pasture]

Right that's what i was thinking, A can land but the C cant..

I could also get the C2

[fallen atlas]

The C2 is definitely the best currently. At least in my opinion. I have no interest in fiddling with trying to "land" a C or eventually needing an extra ship + multiple trips to "truck" it up to space for the C lol

[final pasture]

Very true

I get that it'd be annoying with the C

And I have owned the C2 before.

But then i'd have to melt my 600I ;(

[fallen atlas]

My intuition would lead me to believe you'd probably end up melting the C after fucking with it one time

[final pasture]

LOL

probably..

Well IAE isn't over yet so here i come

[fallen atlas]

Like, it's cool that it holds all that cargo, but that's hundreds of 32SCU crates and whatnot.

[final pasture]

Meh the 600I is really good n all but not for cargo running, I'll get the 600i again when it's back on sale after a while lol

C2 here I come :D

[austere hedge]

Have cargo mission been added to the game yet or is it still single box missions

I’ve been away for 4 years so idk all the new updates

[graceful kiln]

box missions

but you can also just... run cargo routes yourself

[sage spire]

How much money do you think i should have before cargo running with the Hull C?

[final pasture]

I changed my mind...

[graceful kiln]

a couple million at least

[final pasture]

Gonna goof around with the C hehe

[fallen atlas]

Best of luck!

[final pasture]

Thank you 👍

[sage spire]

Roger, i'll keep running HH missions with the SRV for a bit.

[graceful kiln]

just be aware the hull C is finnicky and it's loop is a tad more tedious than it needs to be. I love the ship though, and the potential

this is the very first iteration of its mechanics after all, and only a partial implementation

[final pasture]

It can only get better, right?

[graceful kiln]

exactly

[final pasture]

That's what i'm hoping at least lol

[graceful kiln]

oh for sure

[final pasture]

I've always been a BIIIIG fan of cargo hauling in any game that has it

[graceful kiln]

for example, right now you have to go to the admin terminal, select your sell, then go unload, go back to the terminal, select something to buy, and repeat

[final pasture]

and sc is just the heaven of cargo hauling

[graceful kiln]

no reason that couldn't be changed to just one single operation on the mobiglass

you'll likely have to manually load the thing at the cargo deck, or pay extra to have it loaded, but that's expected tedium

[final pasture]

Yeah but i guess it's to give players more interactions with the environment

maybe

[graceful kiln]

if that was the case, why do you have to make a separate trip for each individual commodity you have loaded?

[final pasture]

right..

[graceful kiln]

you can't load up equally on 3 commodities then sell them all at once lol

it's a halfway implementation

like, they gave us the Hull C so they could put in the first parts of modularity and proof of concept the cargo spindles

as well as the cargo loading/unloading areas thing

[fallen atlas]

My assumption has always been that when hangar elevators are in, that you'd order from mobi and then it gets sent up for your to load from there.

[graceful kiln]

yeah exactly

or in the case of the Hull C, it'dd be available at the cargo deck's exterior loading area

[fallen atlas]

Still sounds tedious as fuck to manually load 4000SCU of cargo, but I suppose we'll see

[graceful kiln]

you'll definitely be able to pay for help

and the margins will get better once there's multiple systems (which the Hull C and up are actually designed for)

[fallen atlas]

Hopefully larger than 32SCU options become available for massive ships

Hull C alone is 144 x32 SCU crates

[graceful kiln]

I don't see the need, personally. 32SCU boxes are already big, and essentially the size of the largest containers IRL

and since the Hulls are all quite literally spacegoing versions of our own oceanic cargo ships...

down to, I think the Hull D carrying almost exactly the amount the IRL ones do, lol

[fallen atlas]

The Hull E is 3072 X 32 SCU crates

[graceful kiln]

I'm aware

the Hull E's also not something you're supposed to even attempt to solo

[fallen atlas]

Even with 10 people, that's 300 crates each lmao

[graceful kiln]

300 crates, like 10sec per crate since you'll be sitting in a tractor turret or something with a large enough beam

[austere hedge]

How?

[graceful kiln]

buy cargo at site A, sell cargo at site B

[austere hedge]

Ah I see

[fallen atlas]

!tradetools has info on what routes to run.

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[austere hedge]

Thank you

[fallen atlas]

I doubt 10s per crate, but yeah, even still, that's 50 minutes of loading alone for 10 people

Would be very cool, I just don't see it being something that many people do

as an enjoyable loop that is

[graceful kiln]

for the largest cargo amount by a significant margin of any ship in the 'verse?

doesn't sound too bad

don't forget that the Hull E literally carries 25 times the cargo of a Hull C

25x

[fallen atlas]

yeah, that's my point haha

that's an insane amount of cargo and an even more insane amount of labor involved. Though I came from EVE, so it's not like I'm not aware of what people do for logistics 😂

[final pasture]

The hull C flies surprisingly well

[fallen atlas]

until they make weight actually play a role

[final pasture]

oh no

[graceful kiln]

the Hull C flies weird, personally, but expectantly weird

it has fantastic forward and reverse thrust, reasonable rotation, and piss-poor lateral/vertical thrust lol

which you'd expect for something with bigass thrusters on the front and rear, and which is long and skinny, and loaded for bear

[final pasture]

First haul with my hull c and I can't sell it?

anyone able to help with this?

[graceful kiln]

if you're using the old image that's got the triangular diagram, it's out of date

that sation, it seems, doesn't buy Helium

there are 7 you can trade at - the main planet ones (Tressler, Baijini, Seraphim, and whatever the other one is), and then the 3 jump gate stations

[final pasture]

Oh damn alright..

[graceful kiln]

one sec

Pyro Gate, Terra Gate, and Baijini buy helium

Baijini tends to have the highest buy price

[final pasture]

Thanks a bunch lol

I already glitched out of the station elevator and had to fly back to my ship once today..

[graceful kiln]

I made my own excel doc to cover Hull C trading, heh. I recommend doing so

just take a fast ship around to each, record what's bought and sold and the prices

[final pasture]

Ooo smart

[graceful kiln]

took a little over an hour

[wintry radish]

Where's the best place to offload medical supplies and distilled spirits?

I still have a huge load of both from last night I wasn't able to sell

According to SC Trade Tools the spirits can be sold at Magnus but I'm not sure that's accurate

[graceful kiln]

you didn't go and buy a full Hull C's worth, did you?

[wintry radish]

Nah

About 200-250 med supplies and around 1.5k spirits

Sold about half the spirits at our various stops last night

but couldn't find anywhere that wanted medical supplies and ran out of places to sell the booze

[graceful kiln]

okay that's not so bad

[wintry radish]

Managed to sell the rest of our load -- mostly processed food and Hephaestanite

but I'm still gonna need to offload the remaining cargo before my rental expires

[graceful kiln]

so I haven't checked every station for the exact amounts, but I believe all 7 Hull C stations have a demand limit of about 500 for both Med Supplies and Distilled Spirits

which I peronally think is fuckin' dumb because you can buy both in obscene amounts from Terra Gate

[wintry radish]

Yeah, that was where I started, lol

hence why I picked them up

[graceful kiln]

I think it's a matter of they gave us the supply, but the demand doesn't exist until another system comes in yet

Pyro seems like a likely place that would buy spirits and med supplies

but yeah all of the Hull C stations, except Terra, buy both

just not in high amounts

[austere hedge]

I’m at new Babbage and want to do a simple box run mission
How do I start?

I have no money so I need an easy job to make some 😅

[placid pilot]

open mobiglass go to the contracts manager then in the contract manager on the general tab go to delivery and from there you should be able to do basic delivery missions involving going to point a and picking up a box to deliver to point b

though be careful with missions going to a derelict outpost or something similair those will have npc's that will shoot you

[austere hedge]

Ok thank you

[wintry radish]

Trying to sell the last of my hull C's load

I keep getting an error "Failed: Waiting for pending result"

but I've already transferred all my other goods and there's nothing that lists as pending

I tried storing and respawning it but that doesn't seem to have worked

I also tried relogging but again, nothing

Any ideas what I can do to fix it?

[graceful kiln]

what cargo?

[dark folio]

Just some last beer. We offloaded the final med supplies, then tried to sell the spirits to the same station after.

We QT'd away briefly and came back and it seems to be working now.

[dark folio]

Know if there's anywhere that likes Florine or Copper?

Or should we just quit while we're ahead? XD

[graceful kiln]

Terra and Seraphim buy Fluorine, though I didn't check how much

Copper is Baijini, Terra, and Pyro

are you guys just buying random things without checking who buys them? lol

[dark folio]

No, but we ended up out at magnus and they are full up on those. They weren't commodities we checked because we didn't mean to have to come all the way out here

But Fey accidentally bought more meds than he thought he did and so now we're out here

Since we are here, though, there's always the possibility of filling up for one more load back to civilization.

[graceful kiln]

fair enough

[mental bobcat]

With the Hull C being available to rent the mass conveyance stock will be out of whack for now as the stock levels are not really designed for that many hull C's atm

Before it was rentable at IAE I saw exactly two Hull C's docked at a station while lately I've seen about 20

[graceful kiln]

that won't last for long. The rentals don't last forever

plus folks are gonna be turned off by the tedium quickly, if they don't expect it

[rough ingot]

idk what to do, ive got a ship full of cargo and i can't sell. a while ago an npc ship smacked into me and the crew glitched inside. i removed 2 bodies but im told my ship is occupied and i can't find the last dead guy

i even tried getting my camera inside the wall to try to locate him and still couldnt

is there anything i can do to clear a body out or am i fucked and have to manually transfer everything to a different ship

[wintry radish]

So apparently the Hull C's rear airlock just automatically opens whenever approached

Impossible to actually lock it, anyone can enter whenever they want

Some guy tried to stow away on our ship while we were transferring cargo

Which ended up counting as us obstructing the cargo area so our ship got impounded

Anyone flying a Hull C, be on the lookout for griefers

[toxic wolf]

I just got the Hull D and was looking at pics of the Hull E, in one of the pics thy are shipping ships! which is such a cool concept on its own and logical just like cars ships need to be moved around

[spare cloud]

Afaik Hull C can already do that, without the cages.

[toxic wolf]

oh? right I don't think that there are any missions for that right? Would be cool to actually move ships from the manufacturers to the stores

[spare cloud]

No, it's just to move your own ships from a place to an other. Totally useless in Stanton, but might be cool for Pyro

[hollow sedge]

Missions are not really implemented yet

Most current ones are just placeholder/concept/incomplete

Mission team is really just writting them and building logic for it

And when they add the UI and Reputation systems and more mmo features only then will they add real missions

[sonic fiber]

That would be cool. In eve we did that because players made the ships and things were sold local so you had to make and deliver ships to your "store"

[sick ether]

Is the helix capable of mining pretty much anything without gadgets?

I'm thinking of getting 2 filter units but if more power is needed I can go 1 filter and 1 Rieger

[spare cloud]

#rock-and-stone

[sick ether]

Sorry I ended up in the wrong channel lmao

must have misclicked

[coral bison]

is there a weapons locker on the c2 ?

[proud pumice]

@coral bison just before the escape pods, on both sides of the hallway behind the grates. I think it's 4 or 6 long guns on each side

[tight bear]

is it worth the extra time to go to Orison? its only 90k, but its only NINETY THOUSAND

[coral bison]

Ty

[fallen atlas]

Not with the way stations are working(or not working) right now. Probably will land at grim hex infinitely faster than trying to repeatedly get a landing pad at orison and risking your vehicle getting impounded when you inveitably have to take an open and unassigned hangar

I'm avoiding cities like the plague right now lol

[cursive hinge]

Do the higher tier delivery missions make decent money?

[final pasture]

"auto dock complete!"

👍

guess ill have to fly a little in my space suit!!

I'll just join a different server..

[runic tendon]

hi all, I have a quick question. Is drug running not profitable now? I did a small run and did not pay attention to prices but gained almost nothing. Funny enough, durg supply was the highest I have seen (I last played in June)

[graceful kiln]

gotta make sure you're picking the right drugs for one. Check https://sc-trade.tools/home, I think it should have drugs too

but then, the most profitable way to run drugs is to get them from salvage or bounty missions. 100% profit then, heh

although that gravy train has slowed down significantly since a few weeks ago

[runic tendon]

I also checked here, did the standard arccorp route but I am sure I gained almost nothing

I was skeptical when they had 13-14 scu of drugs for each type

normally it was always empty, you had to wait for the refresh

[graceful kiln]

so... next time I'd suggest writing down the actual numbers. Don't forget that for the buy/sell cargo loop, 10-20% profit margins are good profit margins

but at low volumes it doesn't actually amount to a lot of UEC

[runic tendon]

Maybe, will definitely do that 👍

[sturdy oak]

Do these store the same way as bought goods, was trying to work out for ages how to sell little boxes of stuff i found

[graceful kiln]

I'm not the person to ask on those, sorry

[tall karma]

Does the SRV tow ships with their engines on, or are they always required to power engines off?

[supple pagoda]

Are there any cheat sheets showing which drugs are worth what? Asking for a friend of course, I wouldn't do anything illegal myself.

[lyric valve]

I’m pretty new so please don’t like be rude abt it lmao but how do I even get like a cargo mission 💀

[tall karma]

There are currently no cargo missions. You just have to look at a site like https://sc-trade.tools/home, and look at routes for the ship / amount you want to spend on cargo.

[lyric valve]

Alr Ty

[rose root]

Ok guys C1 or MSR for salvage loot?

[graceful kiln]

MSR has more space

[tall karma]

Salvage loot, you mean the RMC or are you planning on trying to get decent cargo from salvage ships (cause that is kinda done).

[rose root]

the loot, like the large weeval containers

[tall karma]

That was removed from salvage. You will find mostly processed foods, distilled spirits and the occasional cheap drug. Have to do VHRT/ERT bounties or the Wake of Disaster mission for worthwhile cargo

[sharp grove]

question - when doing a bounty for a C2 or something that has valuable loot in the cargo, how do you ensure you dont kill it, so you can recover the cargo

[twilit horizon]

There is really only good cargo loot from VHRT and ERT so I use a ship with cargo that can shield against those and then actually haul a bit.

[drowsy rune]

Does anyone know at what rep do the higher delivery missions spawn

[tall karma]

It's just trigger discipline. Plink it slowly. Tap the fire button.

[north oyster]

Curious, is the Beryl run in C2 still the best payoff trade run (for the most part)?

[vestal ravine]

Biggest Beryl bonus disregarding flying time is MT to Orison. About 420k clear.

[north oyster]

Orison always seemed to be a flop. I was running Ida to Hurston for about a 280ish pay off (consistent). I will try that again, thanks

[graceful kiln]

Best profit over time is Ita to Hurston though

[north oyster]

yeah, sort of my thoughts too

[graceful kiln]

I timed it. About 35min for microtech to orison, 20min for ita to hurston, give or take

[north oyster]

was pulling 293K aUEC on most all runs to Hurston

[fresh abyss]

oh it has to be vhrt+ can't get any cargo from the lower ones?

[tall karma]

Lower ones have some cargo. Heard you can get a decent haul from some of the HRTs once in a while. It depends on the ship. If you run into something with decent cargo holds, it doesn't matter what tier bounty.

[fresh abyss]

I like that they updated that for bounties

[fresh abyss]

does this include illegal missions as well like the security killing bounties?

[tall karma]

As a master assassin, I can confirm that these ships function exactly the same as normal bounty hunter missions. Service Beacons do NOT have cargo.

[fresh abyss]

that is dope af

i am currently in my dark arc

[tall karma]

Also, the Ekhart missions should be the same.

Though GROUP bounties have notoriously less cargo than single target bounties because they generally include more combat (i.e. vanguard and such) type ships and less of the bigger cargo haulers. That isnt to say they have no cargo, but they have less cargo ship variety.

[fresh abyss]

yea that makes sense

i was going to do some yesterday but someone had my bounty and flew into my hangar as i was leaving to kill me

[vestal ravine]

I just got rated to the Senior level MRT ships in the MT area and will keep an eye out for any cargo ships. But I know the next two tiers are the best.

[tall karma]

Bounty tier is Stanton wide, only the reputation bonus is tied to the specific planet system. You may want to consider doing them in Crusader since Yela asteroid bounties are the easiest ones to loot after they are soft deathed. Do not fully destroy the ship, or you will destroy 75% of the cargo as well (usually the best stuff too!). And doing them in atmo generally results in a crash that explodes the ship and most of the cargo.

[fresh abyss]

what are the yela asteroid bounties called?

[tall karma]

They are just regular bounties, you have to read the description to see where the bounty is.

[fresh abyss]

ah okay then. This is for illegal ones too or just legal

[tall karma]

All bounties have a location specified in the mission text assuming they aren't bugged like the Vaughn missions were for a while.

[fresh abyss]

what is the easiest way to transfer ship parts to another person?

[spare cloud]

Give them the money to buy them themselves
Or have them in your cargo hold and physically give them the weapons

[fresh abyss]

so like i have a crime stat and can't buy them. so having someone buy them for me. Do they just pull it onto my ship or transfer it

[spare cloud]

You can directly equip them on your ship, if they're made for it. Make sure you save your loadout after after, using the VMA.

[fresh abyss]

oh so like lets say they purchased me an xl-1 drive, can they pull it out of their ship inventory and place it for me to then put in mine

[tall karma]

depends on the ship in that case, but the XL-1 driver is transferable. You can actually land at Orison with a crime stat, and run down and buy parts. They dont have turrets to shoot you down.

[spare cloud]

Easiest way would be to just clear your CS and buy your stuff

[fresh abyss]

hmmm, so like im trying to put the components on my MSR

[fresh abyss]

ngl i have t5 with like 80 homicides lol

[tall karma]

You dont have to clear a CS. Most of the best parts are sold at Orison. The only danger you run into going there is the guards in hangars, who are too stupid to shoot you, and will let you get on the elevator.

[spare cloud]

You can't give items from local inventory, and you can't drag smtg from inv to physical.
So they would have to equip it, remove it, give it, equip it.

[fresh abyss]

ah okay then

[spare cloud]

Do prison 🤷 There is a max time, no big deal TBH

[tall karma]

That big of a CS5 though is 26+ hours and takes a couple hours to clear with tedious running around. Though, pro-tip, go shut down the comm array over Aberdeen if you want to clear your CS, and it will make your life soooo much easier.

[fresh abyss]

oh i can clear it like that without doing time?

[tall karma]

There is 1 way to clear a CS without doing time, going to Security Port Kareah with a tigersclaw and using the terminal.

And if you do that, you need a 2nd tigers claw to shut down the comm array, or you will be there forever clearing all the additional murders from the guards on the station that continuously respawn.

If you decide to turn yourself in, take a tigersclaw to Aberdeen and shut down the comm array, then go turn yourself in and go to Prison. While in prison, the comm array will not be active, so you can knock out and steal ore from all the NPCs walking around at every level. If the Comm Array is active, you have to run down to depth nine to get avoid getting more time added every time you assault a bot in the mines.

[spare cloud]

It's either 1-2 hours of prison work. Or half an hour of SPK because of the amount of crimes to clear

[fresh abyss]

ah oka okay

[north kite]

Just do this

It’s much faster anyways

• no risk of pvp

Well ig there still is risk of a punch out

[sonic fiber]

Or just go to prison when you aren't going to play for a day, like work or holiday

[distant zealot]

Does anyone know any workarounds for the commencing cargo transfer not working?

[wraith ice]

Will the hull c be profitable when pyro comes?

[north kite]

I can see them adding extremely profitable cross-jump trade routes

Just be very careful of piracy

Since pyro is kinda the pirate palace

Like drugs have to be exponentially cheaper in pyro than in Stanton

But that being said, both pirates and security would love to have a meaningful conversation with you while your attempting to haul them

But they’ll have to change the current state of piracy or else you can just let a ship with the same quant drive jump like 30 seconds before you so you can just cancel qt if they got interdicted

[vestal ravine]

So I completed about 5 Senior level bounty missions and they gave me a certification chance to get the ERT's. I took it and won so I hope to see more ERT's now and some cargo ships. Did not expect this. After logging in I did see an ERT and the folks in chat said there can be the cargo ships with Vice. This all took just over a week to accomplish.

[graceful kiln]

It's profitable now, just not the most profitable over time

[twilit horizon]

VHRT is the sweet spot with bigger space for cargo to spawn over time.

[lone sage]

Has hull c docking been fixed yet?

[tall karma]

Sometimes

[lone sage]

Sounds like a no then 😂

[graceful kiln]

no, but you can mitigate the issue with a simple spacewalk

[vivid brook]

I have a bunch of RCM we took from my wife's vulture before she logged for the night, but it won't let me sell as it says unregistered. Does it think I stole it?

[golden dove]

Yeah - happened to me when I had reclaimed my Reclaimer and went back for the loot. Gotta sell at Grimhex or one of the illegal sites

[vivid brook]

dang, thanks!

[atomic mauve]

defenitley not

[hidden pulsar]

Can anyone tell me if the Dump Cargo Function/Command actually work

[spare cloud]

Not yet.

[hidden pulsar]

😦

[spare cloud]

Only mining ships carrying quantainium can eject for now.

[mental bobcat]

Also the Taurus shielded cargo area doesn't work. Had a single looted SCU of Widow and I was scanned and sent to jail while I was in a hangar.

[graceful kiln]

shielded cargo isn't a thing ingame yet