industrial-professions

[uncut grotto]

I'm getting an error stating "Unable to transfer. Vehicle must be stationary within the loading area." while trying to sell cargo with my Hull C
I've tried storing and retrieving and that didn't work. Neither did relogging.

[tall karma]

You should also consider whether you want a shorter route for less risk. Ita mining stations sell Beryl for slightly more than MT, and Loreville buys for slightly less than Orison, but it's a 15 min route that nets about 380k vs a 45 min route for a little over 400k. Much safer, less chance of crashes and 30ks.

Also, the hangar bug that is preventing landing markers from displaying makes orison impossible to use currently, while in lorville you can see the hangars clearly and which one is opening is much easier to find to avoid getting stuck with a load. Also MT doesn't require you to land in a hangar as you can land right outside the commons.

[spring river]

what is the best place to sell gasping weevil eggs?

[spare cloud]

Any scrap yard

[graceful kiln]

orient yourself to the station. I put it on my right side in cockpit view, and that's worked every time for me

[spring river]

is there a limit on it like other drugs?

[spare cloud]

Yes, and most drugs limit is 250 SCU, so it's probably the same, but eggs are so rare it's unlikely you or someone else hit the limit.

[spring river]

bc i kinda have a full C2 of it

[spare cloud]

See by yourself ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[graceful kiln]

Might just have to make a few more stops to sell it all

[sonic fiber]

Best if they us mine it for there to be materials. Then miners could make better money and more supply for you haulers

[graceful kiln]

trading as it is right now is basically there to be a proof of concept and testbed for hauling ships. Until they start implementing an actual economy I doubt we will see any changes unfortunately

[hollow lotus]

Wanted to see if bed logging worked in the Cat… it did but not I can get up the ladder to get out of the bottom habitation area into the cockpit : (

[graceful kiln]

yeeeaahhh I had that issue, never found a way back out of the lower area

[spring river]

bro I had 140scu's of gasping weevil eggs and 2 ships camping brio took me out

one was a mantis which disabled my qt and there was an f8c and they're being super salty now

[graceful kiln]

how are they being salty?

[spare cloud]

By trashing in chat the people they kill

Because killing for no reason isn't enough

[graceful kiln]

Not really what I'd call being salty, but yeah they sound like trash

kinda what I expect of most 'pirates' in SC

[spring river]

its annoying you can't try enable your qt again after it was disabled bc i was flying around for like another 3 mins once they started attacking

[graceful kiln]

isn't the whole point of the Mantis to pull folks out and prevent them from jumping? I always assumed it was like 'dictor bubbles from Eve

[spare cloud]

When a ship disable your QD, it doesn't do it just once. It does it continuously and you have to get out of the dampener range to be able to use your QD again

[spring river]

Oooh

[zealous kindle]

fuck man

blew up with a good haul

[proud pumice]

@spring river where did you find weevil eggs? I haven't seen them in months

[wooden kraken]

Boo, cargo is going to stay broken now that they’ve delayed the quantum economy. Just another fix waiting on a fix before they can fix the fix.

[zealous kindle]

Is it broken?

I’ve had minimal problems

[graceful kiln]

broken as in, there's no economy to speak of

it's literally just Station X generates Product at a fixed rate, Station Y buys Product at a fixed rate

price varies by like 5% based on % of maximum stock or demand

and the overall amounts are linked across servers

there's no true supply and demand simulation going on

[zealous kindle]

oh right yh tbf

[zealous kindle]

Bad runs today cause I died with a haul didn’t earn much

[wooden kraken]

Quantum economy will monitor spikes real time and keep changes at the AI level. Will take load off the server and help with route diversity.

[sullen parcel]

How the hell do you fix the cargo transfer fail issue?

Or is just a case of, I can't?

[austere ingot]

hey guys, does anyone know if a freelancer standard can hold the long cargo boxes? 64scu i think they are?

[spare cloud]

32SCU.
Lancer max can hold 3 of em, so base lancer can probably have one

[austere ingot]

cheers

[worthy scroll]

The MAX can hold two 32scu boxes on the grid. Two 32scu side by side, a few spaces on the grid left, and 1scu row on top of them.

[spare cloud]

What about the base one ? Can hold one right ?

[worthy scroll]

Should be able to, though I haven't tried it myself.

Making a visual representation of the cargo grids in all ships is something I want to eventually do, that way people can see what size boxes they can actually hold.

[spare cloud]

Wouldn't be completely accurate. Ie Corsair and Cutty black can hold much more than 72 and 46 SCU off grid

Still a great idea 💖
Just not full capacity of ships

[worthy scroll]

True, personally I don't recommend doing that because it can cause issues, but it technically is possible.

[spring river]

You can find them in the mission wake of disaster or any risky salvage mission

wake of disaster is easiest as not many people actually accept it bc it costs 150k but you can also get lots of other rare cargo

Make sure to bring a C2 though bc it will be difficult without one

[proud pumice]

@spring river ive only done one of them and it was a while ago. i havent seen eggs or hides in risky misions in MONTHS.

[spring river]

Just keep doing it and if you ever get the wake of disaster missions accept it and get there as quick as possible in a C2 @proud pumice

I got like 200scu's ish from a reclaimer

[proud pumice]

Yeah, there wasn't any in the wake I did unfortunately. I already have a C2 si I'm good there

[spring river]

just do risky salavge missions until you get it

[sour spindle]

anyone know how many 32scu cargo containers fit in a mercury or a corsair

you know the really long boxes

[spare cloud]

3 in a Corsair, with room for 32 more SCU in smaller containers

I think 2 or 3 in MSR, with a room for more crap too

[sour spindle]

man im trying to find a chip that can carry more without being one of the huge ones

i know its very specific but i can dream

[spare cloud]

Taurus can have 4 with lot more room for smaller containers

Then it gets huge, with C2 or Cat

[sour spindle]

oh i always thought the extra space in the taurus was just the removed fighter

[spare cloud]

No, removed snub is just 6 SCU space. Also it's shielded cargo (not implemented)

It's the cargo hold itself that's bigger

[proud pumice]

Speaking of cargo, is it possible to open the carrack cargo bays yet?

[spare cloud]

Nope

[proud pumice]

Figures. Had a wake with a carrack and it had a crap load of eggs I couldn't get

[spare cloud]

If you completely destroy the carrack you lose some of the cargo but should be able to retrieve the rest of it

Once it's destroyed, cargo modules can be removed

[proud pumice]

I tried that. They all went up with the ship got a couple of the small boxes of maze so I at least made my investment back

[spare cloud]

Better to access some of it then nothing

[uncut grotto]

Does Seraphim still buy Iron or was that changed in 3.21? It appears I'm unable to sell my cargo there...

[graceful kiln]

it does not. Buys Processed Food and Hephaestanite

sells Hydrogen, Helium, Copper, Scrap, waste

[icy folio]

Putting my concept here because it seems relevant. All ships should have the option to rent a space trailer:

[hollow sedge]

How many will the Zeus CL be able to carry?

[graceful kiln]

we don't know

[spare cloud]

How is anyone supposed to know

[graceful kiln]

mathmatically it can fit 4

however we don't know how tall the bay is or how it is oriented

so more likely I'd think 2, maybe 3 at most depending on the way the grid is laid out

[spare cloud]

Mathematically it can't even fit 4, since 4x32 = 128

[graceful kiln]

oh, is it not 128 scu? That's what I was going off of lol

[spare cloud]

It's 120 iirc

[hollow sedge]

no

[graceful kiln]

ahh

then yeah, 3 at most

[hollow sedge]

It's 128 SCU

[graceful kiln]

then i was right! Either way though

[hollow sedge]

Theoretically. Although questions have been raised regarding it's actual capacity.

[spare cloud]

Ah no, I checked, its 128

Anyway, doesn't mean it'll be able to fit 32 SCU containers

[graceful kiln]

Yeah. Depends on the shape of the bay itself

and whatever arbitrary decisions are made about it fitting on the grid (lookin' at you, Caterpillar...)

[hollow sedge]

Like this is the ES. It can only carry 32 SCU:

And the CL does NOT have a cargo bay 3x the size and yet can somehow fit 128 SCU (around 4x as much as the ES) hypothetically.

[spare cloud]

CIG magic tricks

[graceful kiln]

does make me think the ES' cargo grid is only like half that bay, while the other half is empty so you can store a vehicle in addition to the cargo

[spare cloud]

They usually lower a ship cargo capacity by removing a layer to its grid. Like they did for the A2

[hollow sedge]

They also said you cant use the full amount of SCU on the CL without losing the ability to access components in flight.

It's nice they made the turret remote. Keeps it from taking up space on the interior like the Freelancer where the rear turret likes to SUCK YOU UP when you try to open the rear ramp 🤣

[graceful kiln]

that 'lancer rear turret is a damn deathtrap lol

as bad as the ball gunners on B-17s

[hollow sedge]

Once weapon fire can cause damage on the inside of a ship I can imagine manned turrets will become a literal deathtrap. Raiders just focus firing on the turret and slaughtering the gunners... Another benefit to remote turrets.

Although then they might just try to blow out the cockpit and kill the pilot and remote gunners 🤣

[graceful kiln]

like the clip shown at citcon with the Hammerhead

although I rather doubt any turret gunner would just ignore the guy shooting him directly, heh

[hollow sedge]

I haven't actually used turrets much before in SC.

How much of a downside is it that the turret on the Clipper is on the bottom of the ship instead of the top?

[graceful kiln]

in a literal sense probably not much, but it'd require some adjustment on the part of the pilot

since your natural inclination is to keep targets in the 'up' direction

[rough ingot]

Take a look at the a2

It can carry way more than the grid says it can for the sake of balance

[graceful kiln]

so I learned a thing today, or at least had something weird

last night I took the F8C to Magna to land it at a pad and offload some of the med supplies fromt he Hull C. Game crashed me out inside the station with the fighter still on the pad. When i logged in today, said fighter was still at the station, location 'Unknown' per the Lorville ASOP computers. Flew out there... it's still there, sitting on the pad where I left it. I assume it dumped me back in the same server and it hadn't gotten wiped? Or do those pads actually save your ship locations?

ahh, but I can't actually get in it anymore

damn

[delicate girder]

CIG has been working on a hitch strong enough for QT for years. We might get it soon, but only for one ship. 😉

[delicate girder]

One of the best parts of SC when it works right. Ya never really know how good a ship feature is until you get to test it.

[hoary monolith]

has teh cargo selling bug been fixed? the one where selling could result in lost cargo with no auec?

[graceful kiln]

that only happened if you stacked different commodities on top of each other. Allegedly it's been fixed, but I've seen folks talking about it still being in

I'd test it with small selling amounts before dumping everything at once

[zealous kindle]

Pc crashed when I had full load of toxin and neon fml

Spawned on ship phew

98 neon lol

[fallow palm]

did they do some sneaky hotfix of drug trading because the gallog.co changed the prices of maze a lot

[hollow sedge]

So with physical cargo having 30K protection, do items in your ship inventory also get saved?

[proud pumice]

what did they change maze to?

[leaden reef]

Yes

[leaden reef]

Risky salvage?

[rich siren]

its basically the best drug to sell now

by like 9x the other drugs

[proud pumice]

as of this morning it was still selling at 89k i believe. next closest was widdow. they way he said that made it sound like they had drastically lowered the price

[rich siren]

what i was meaning was its selling for about 9x per unit what widow is

like i sold 40SCU for something like 3.3m an hour ago

[proud pumice]

yea. ive made quite a bit from selling maze

its been like that

[rich siren]

i think what hes meaning though is it seems like they increased its value further

[proud pumice]

ahh

[leaden reef]

Interesting

[vestal ravine]

So Maze can't be sold at a NQA terminal? Devlin turned me down.

[graceful kiln]

they can at most, but in very tiny quantities

better off going to a salvage yard

[hollow sedge]

So what is CIG doing to actually make cargo matter

[vestal ravine]

Later there will be more of a cause and effect economy. A financial push pull if you will.

[vestal ravine]

Personally I can get behind all this. I see bomb-making ideas with those orange crates.

[proud pumice]

Someone on the ship tractor "sent with love!"

[light star]

whats the site for trades again? and is it updated?

[zealous kindle]

These are really cool

[light star]

or any site that has hull c added?

[dull forge]

Most of the trade sites don't have great tools for hull c yet. And it's quite buggy.

uexcorp.space/

Is my favorite trade tool

[neon obsidian]

😎

[mossy palm]

Yeah, sctrader tools is good if you want to see who buys what and for planning multiple goods cargo run, as in, delivering multiple kinds og goods to same buyer. UEXcorp is good for keeping tabs on prices and how dangerous route could be.

Too bad UEXC doesnt let me arrange something like this:

[neon obsidian]

uex is very cool, maybe that's few things like this that can be added/improved

[mossy palm]

Whenever I tried to be space trucker with UEX it only let me choose one singular goods type to choose for hauling.

[neon obsidian]

yeah it's only unique route since a while

i pass mostly of my time updating prices then do cargo 😂

[daring moss]

Why can’t I sell this ??

(I’m new so sorry if the answer is dumb lol)

[mossy palm]

I think you need go to TDD terminal, or to a farm to sell that.

[daring moss]

Is there one of those at Everus Harbor ?

[raw sable]

new to trading, anyone have any idea why I keep having "Failed: Cargo Transfer Failed" message when trying to buy something into my ship from a terminal?

[zealous kindle]

Buy in chunks

[raw sable]

oh well it worked like this thank you very much

[zealous kindle]

Yh I had that issue too recently and I finally cracked it

[wind heath]

Guys can someone tell me ig i can sell on orison with hull C?

[zealous kindle]

I AM BLESSED

[vestal ravine]

The big one is like 5 million.

[proud pumice]

The 32's are worth a bit under 3k

[zealous kindle]

i got them all and sold for 6mil all together

[vestal ravine]

Yes I bought a new C2 for my alt account!! Nice haul.

[proud pumice]

Sorry, just saw my mistake, each 32 is worth just under 3 MILLION not 3k

[zealous kindle]

my dumbass forgot to put a helmet on and i died

i had 10 maze and like 70 neon

luckily i sold most maze at grim hex before going

[spring river]

10 whole SCU or the big boxes?

[zealous kindle]

10scu

i sold like 5mil worth at grim

but it full

[spring river]

5mil of maze?

[zealous kindle]

yh

[spring river]

That’s like 500 scu

Wait no

[zealous kindle]

like 50

[spring river]

60 scu

I need to do more risky salvage missions

[zealous kindle]

i do the wake of disasters

annoyingly i got dc'd during one but luckily i got the cargo

there was another full c2 tho and i had just looted a reclaimer

[spring river]

Reclaimers are the best bc I always find weevil eggs in them

[vestal ravine]

Just had a Risky C2 but it was 95% Laranite lol but I brought it back for 502k. Also how do you handle the Carracks?

[spring river]

What do you mean?

[spring river]

By handle, how to get their cargo?

[vestal ravine]

Yes...

[spring river]

You have to get it through the doors I think so it will be a struggle

[graceful kiln]

with the Carracks you're pretty much limited to killing the ship and grabbing what remains after it's dead. Can't fit anything more than the 1 or 2scu boxes through the doors, and it's not worth the effort at that point

[spring river]

So just blow it up

[weak lantern]

even when you blow it up you can't get the cargo.

[cedar token]

If you are lucky, it gives you access to some. Had a Carrack with 209scu of Maze, and blowing it up gave me access to 40, so I didn't leave empty handed.

[weak lantern]

Better than nothing! I stopped doing the wake missions because of all the maze being stuck in carracks non functioning cargo bay. I was only getting the low value items after blowing it up.

[cedar token]

Yeah, it seems that all the goodies end up in Carracks for me as well on the WoD. Need a space tow truck to pull the thing back to port and sell off right from the ship.

I would assume the ship is non functional, but have never tested. Imagine if we could just be flying the Carrack in and selling.

[graceful kiln]

oh for fuck's sake you can't even sell multiple commodities in one trip to the station with the Hull C? They did not think this through

[limpid bay]

Hey if you bought cargo at a station and log out before you could get the cargo on the HULL c does the station keep it till you log back in or did i lose it? If so oh well I can do mercenary missions to get it back later i just wanted to see if I can get it when I can

[tropic swallow]

It feels like hull c trading looses me more money than it makes

[tropic swallow]

Nope. And if you have one hull C set to sell, you can’t then load onto another Hull C even if you store the first

[hard siren]

do you think hull c might be in 3.22 to buy in game when it come ptu/live

[graceful kiln]

possibly

thats usually how it works

[tall karma]

How to handle carracks:

1. Soft death them 1st
2. Detach the cargo you want to protect from the grid (should prevent free floating cargo from being blown up)
3. Destroy carrack
4. Move cargo through floor (should clip through floor of destroyed sections) if still inside after destruction

[full mantle]

lol

[vestal ravine]

That process sounds more reasonable. The one I saw stuffed with mixed Vice.

[open plaza]

How do people trade cargo from their large ships if I have to wait what feels like hours to sell even a small quantity

[graceful kiln]

pick cargo where that isn't an issue

[open plaza]

huh

[graceful kiln]

what are you trying to sell

[vivid brook]

C2 vs Cat, thoughts? They're only a few hundred k difference in game, I love drake, but I'm not sure how easy it is to load/unload, like salvage missions and other things

[graceful kiln]

right now C2 is better in ltierally every way

when tractor beams come in, that might change, since the C2 doesn't have one

[vivid brook]

hmm interesting, ty!

[proud pumice]

I hated the cat when I flew it at Invictus. The c2 holds more, and flies significantly better.

Now, when modules come online the cat might be more attractive to me for other things, but right now my suggestion is c2

[graceful kiln]

Mhm. Right now, the C2 is just bigger hold, and significantly more agile, so if you're buying ingame, don't bother with the Cat

the modularity is the long-term reason for why it has a place in my $$ fleet

[proud pumice]

Has cig ever mention the possibility of making player made storage boxes actually adhere to cargo grids? That would be such a nice little QOL improvement

[dusty yarrow]

hey just a question m2 and c2 profile for the door are different? someone told me that the back entrance profile were different

[dusty yarrow]

drake is a special style. c2 is really more convenient. it doesn't give you the same "trcuk feeling". but flies super well, park easily etc

[proud pumice]

The ramps and doors are the same, what's different is just inside the back ramp of the A2 is a narrow walkway between the two giant bomb bays. Kinda like the inside of the A1, but the bombs are laid horizontal and stacked vertical on top of each other

[mortal nest]

Hey just a quick question so I have the Mole and debating upgrading to the Caterpillar. What do you guys recommend sticking with the Mole or

[dusty yarrow]

It’s two very different gameloop

Mining delivers a more advanced gameloop. + Mole is multi crew.

I would stick to the mole, on a game experience dimension.

[vivid brook]

I went withe the C2 (but might get the cat later, at least try it out during IAE), there is no reason this thing should fly as well as my taurus and yet it does lol

[mortal nest]

Just in terms of making money quickly which one you reckon is better?

[dusty yarrow]

Does it helps m2 to be loaded easily ? Vs C2 ?

[proud pumice]

If you load from the front I don't think it makes any difference.

[graceful kiln]

I feel like the C2's gonna get a nerf at some point because it flies better than every ship half its size

[dusty yarrow]

Hauling should generate more money faster. (I don’t know for 3.20)

[vivid brook]

I do like loading it more than the taurus, using the elevator is kind of annoying in zero-g

[dusty yarrow]

Yeah it will

[vivid brook]

I once heard that the C2 flies like its empty and the cat like it's full, and they'll adjust things based on cargo weight eventually so that should nerf it, but I think it still needs an empty nerf too

[dusty yarrow]

Or maybe with the upgrade on the atmos flight profile. Get a great atmospheric profile and a reduced space flight profile

[vivid brook]

I could see that

[mortal nest]

Havent played recently have they finally made it so the mole stops the timer?

[dusty yarrow]

Mining in general is way less lucrative than before

But I would say much more fun

Pure money, hauling should probably be amongst the top 2 money maker.

Especially solo.

[proud pumice]

I can't find any photos to show you, if I was gone I'd grab my C2 and M2 and pay a pic of the difference.

Honestly, when when they do implement cargo weight the c2 will still fly better than a lot of ships. It will be an utter bastard due to inertia, but it will still fly better especially in atmo due to it's shape. The cat is build like an elongated cinder block. It has to brute force through the air

[vivid brook]

XL-1 QD would fit in a C2 right?

[graceful kiln]

TS-2 for the C2

[vivid brook]

ty

[frozen niche]

Can you attach non-32 scu containers to the hull c’s cargo grid? I.e. like like single scu boxes or 8 scu containers?

[spare cloud]

Yeah, any container snaps to the Hull C

[frozen niche]

Cool thanks

[raw sable]

30k with ~3M in my cargohold, press F.

[mild pumice]

Has anyone created a new graphic showing Hull C trade loops inc the new Jump Point Stations?

[spare cloud]

Haven't seen one, but I think they're trash, only 500 SCU of med supplies per station

[dusty yarrow]

the 30K protection was working in 3.19

[neon obsidian]

i gave up with the Hull-C until better patchs about it, got stuck on dock, tried the workaround, same and got impounded -_-

when i retreive it, he spawned and broke his full loaded left cargo arms

[glossy trout]

ohh pog first time finding quantainium.

I dont think I can even fit this in my vulture tho T_T
oh wait no I think it can fit 🙂

[raw sable]

well it didnt work this time at least

[spare cloud]

And it still is

[glossy trout]

@spare cloud question if the dimentions of the boxes is different but they both say size 1, does that mean both of them only have 1 SCU of quant?

[spare cloud]

Physical size matters, afaik they all say Size 1

[glossy trout]

okay that relieving, I was beginning to think they were 2x1 boxes that are half full

[raw sable]

is there a way to scan this to know what it is ?

[proven falcon]

You should scan the ships you loot first.

By the color being full grey it should be iron or other low value material

[raw sable]

I wasn't aware that you could scan ships for cargo, just tried it, thanks!

[vestal ravine]

That tractor beam tool normally tells what it is. Keep an eye on it when you first point and click...

[spare cloud]

Place holder = dead

[proven falcon]

It does indeed. But sometimed it says always Placeholder. So knowing which cargo you can even expect because you scanned first helps since some cargo has the same optics.

Nah not dead. Had some Quant that was shown as placeholder and was able to sell. But I go always by rhe colordoing of the boxes and decide ig its even worth to bother

[vestal ravine]

What item is in the black crate? I just got a 30K on a large drug load never to be seen again.

[misty wave]

how do i checkl prices and where to sell certain commodities now that trade tools isnt up to date anymore?

[vivid brook]

man of all the drugs I try to sell e'tam is the hardest to offload, at least when I'm being cowardly and doing one of the stations lol

[hearty wren]

Neon is even worst sometimes you sell and it solds out so you gotta fly around the system and jump from one illegal dens to another

and the money is not even worth it

[spare cloud]

Still tradetools, it still is the best trading tool, mostly accurate

[half kayak]

The trade tools, says i should sell in orison. Is that allways the case, or is there profit to go daymar -> microtech as well?

[spare cloud]

Depends on the price difference, and also on the time it takes to go this far

[misty wave]

What is the best place to sell drugs. Is it true that bio breaker doesnt buy slam anymore?

[spare cloud]

It isn't true. But many people sell drugs there now so stocks are often high. Just wait a few minutes in front of the terminal and stocks will go down

Any scrap yard will do to sell drugs, but they're all high on stocks now

[leaden reef]

everyone is trying to sell drugs

[zealous kindle]

this is in a carrack fml

[spare cloud]

I didn't sent you to #industrial-professions . I sent you the link of a message that is in this channel and gives a solution to your problem

#helpdesk was just fine. It's just discord that doesn't make it very clear

#industrial-professions is not the same as
#industrial-professions message

[zealous kindle]

Oh my bad

[vestal ravine]

I found my first Weevil Egg crate last night at Wake. It was floating free by some wreckage.

[zealous kindle]

what is soft death tho? @spare cloud

[spare cloud]

Ship state between functional and destroyed

Not functional anymore, everything inside broken, but ship not destroyed

[zealous kindle]

how do i know when it is soft death?

[spare cloud]

It makes a big boom but doesn't break apart

[zealous kindle]

ok ty

[spare cloud]

It can still be targeted

[zealous kindle]

with large boxes, how do i detach it when it auto snaps back to the cargo?

[spare cloud]

There should be an angle at which it won't attach anymore

[zealous kindle]

and i got 30k'd

[spare cloud]

Rip

[zealous kindle]

stupid game

just lost so much potential money

[spare cloud]

Yeah, very sad to lose weevil, but TBH, these salvage and bounties just give stupid amounts of money in cargo. And they're so easy to find. It's no big deal to lose some of it a few times

[tall karma]

Dont worry, you'll find plenty. I had multiple loads of 10+ mil cargo be erased due to bugs/crashes/30ks, but the end result was still over 200mil in under a week. It's stupid. I can buy every ship in-game and probably still have money left over.

That is, unless they fix it before IAE.

[tranquil epoch]

why cant i sell my SLAM?

[vocal oracle]

There is no demand for it at that terminal. Have to wait for a stock refresh or go somewhere else.

[spring river]

Anyone know how much a rhino repeater costs?

and how much weevil eggs cost?

[graceful kiln]

Rhinos go for 22250 according to erkul

and I don't think you can buy weevil eggs

[spring river]

what about selling?

[graceful kiln]

~110k last I saw

[brittle snow]

1 scu?

I thought it was some random trash last time and didn't take it

[mortal nest]

Hey so i only got 132k and have a caterpillar what trading route u recommend?

[steady pelican]

gold smo18 to new babbage

[simple bluff]

this is kinda bullshit tbh

theres room for at least two more stacks

[uncut dew]

I have a m2 with 5m what route should I take

[spare cloud]

Most rewarding route is gold route.
2nd less is less dangerous and populated with pirates so probably better. Beryl iirc
See !tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[drifting cradle]

Which ship is that? (sorry I still haven't visited all ships so I don't recognize every interior yet)

[spare cloud]

Valkyrie

[drifting cradle]

thanks

[ivory dew]

Doing breach and steal but the security which shd be on my side in space attacks me without me even entering the ship. Is this normal

I also have 0 crimestat

[drifting cradle]

I just thought about it but when we'll have the cargo elevator it's gonna be way better because you'll be able to place the cargo in the ship manually, thought it'll take more time to do so.

Really can't wait for that to be available.

[vocal oracle]

They need some sort of ship or hangar security before making us manually load hundreds of scu of cargo.

[cedar token]

Not normal, but had the same thing happen to a friend last night. He had a crimestat previously, but had cleared it, so I had thought for some reason it didn't reset properly. Did you have a crimestat earlier in your session?

[ivory dew]

I’ve had it multiple times and cleared it (paying fines and going to prison). I can land in stations fine and no icon top right but that mission they always attack me and tell me to turn off my ship. Any advice ?

[icy island]

i heard we are getting individualized hangers along with the physicalized cargo update so that will solve that problem if that is true.

age old question.... h2 or cat? im leaning heavily towards the cat but the front hatch really should be a loading ramp

[vocal oracle]

Ah that is good, otherwise it would be chaos lol.

[icy island]

yeah. i heard they will be customizable too. not sure to what extent but im totaly looking forward to it. drake style all the way!

[hollow sedge]

Is Pressurized Ice new?

[graceful kiln]

Yeah, so is tin and silocon i believe. Can that station dock a Hull C?

[sonic fiber]

How do you pressurize ice? It's already solid

[icy island]

dry ice would be a more apt name

[graceful kiln]

Dry ice is a different thing entirely. And it could be water pressurized until it is solid; ice under pressure instead of temperature. At least i think thats how it would work

But dry ice is CO2 ice, i believe. Not water ice

[vestal ravine]

Ice IV is found on moons like Titan. See Wikipedia.

[thick socket]

What ship is better for starting out doing Cargo?

[iron rune]

Constellation Taurus! Freelancer MAX is a bit cheaper. If you're up to learn the ropes through illegal cargo anything with a small cargo grid is kind of fair game otherwise

@thick socket

[thick socket]

Cool thanks mate!

[fickle dune]

So I bought a Caterpiller last night. Did I do something wrong or can you not fit a 32scu container in it?

[spare cloud]

They don't snap on the grid, cat isn't made for 32 SCU containers. But you can fit 2 of those in each compartment

[wanton helm]

is the bug where you can't stack 2 different cargos ontop of eachother if you want to keep them fixed?

[swift ferry]

Instanced hangars will only be accessible by you and members of your party, or at least that's the intent

[fickle dune]

That was what I figured. I didnt try to sell them, but I had a hunch that might work.

[kindred falcon]

Figured I'd ask here. Anyone using a hull c and able to undock in the PU? I know it was an issue before and was wondering if it had gotten fixed

[unkempt nexus]

does anyone know if the vertical stacking dissimilar cargo bug was fixed?

[unkempt nexus]

I have had hit or miss luck with undocking, not because of the mechanism of releasing the docking clamps etc but because of bugs related to calling the ship to the docking port from the ASOP terminal

[jolly escarp]

I need help running cargo. I don't have the correct salvage missions to run good cargo.

[nimble light]

what do you guys think of c1?

[proud pumice]

I'm getting the Zeus cl, but I'm actually still getting a C1. My idea is to park a ranger in between the two rows of boxes (when it launches) and that will be my second little daily driver and bunker buster

I'm basing most of my opinion of off the A1. I like how it flies, I live the look, it just has no purpose right now

[spare cloud]

Somehow it fits, 32 SCU container

[graceful kiln]

Jeez, where are you selling SLAM for 500k?

[spare cloud]

Brio's. It's a 32 SCU container. That's just 15k aUEC / SCU

[graceful kiln]

Ahh, weird showing it as 1 Unit then

[spare cloud]

It doesn't mean 1 SCU

It means 1 container of size x. Size isn't displayed.

If I had 2x 32 SCU container, it would show 2 Units

Landed at Brio's and found 2x 32 SCU and 1x 2 SCU of slam just laying here. Put the small one inside and a 32 SCU one half inside half outside. It worked to sell it

[warped birch]

what materials should i trade in a connie taurus?

[spare cloud]

You can trade gold and beryl, risk facing pirates and make a few hundred thousand aUEC. Or you can make ERTs, take the cargo from your targets, risk facing pirates too and make millions.

See !tradetools below if you want to trade gold and beryl ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[warped birch]

thanks

[icy island]

is it common for quatz to phase through the ship every time i try to haul it somewhere? it only happens with quartz.

[graceful kiln]

Oh that's normal. Just like how small change falls out of your pocket between the cushions of your couch. Same thing with Quartz

[icy island]

good to know its not just me. had an entire hold full of the stuff and poof.

[graceful kiln]

It was more a joke about the low value of Quartz than anything, but stuff poofing is a bug that happens from time to time

is this happening when the crates are snapped to grid?

[icy island]

fair. they are as far as im aware. left the refinery with it. it was in there when i boarded but by the time i got to area 18 it was all gone.

not too upset because it was quartz but it still would have been nice to have money.

[simple bluff]

why is cargo transfer still broken as fuck

my gold transfers keep failing and it takes my money

[cobalt timber]

so how long does it take to get out of small crate missions and into the larger stuff?

[spare cloud]

About an hour or two. Just the time you need to have enough money to rent a Connie Andro

[cobalt timber]

should I be doing the single or triple crate missions? and how do I move those easier?

[bleak lark]

How big do missions get?

[spare cloud]

IMO you just shouldn't do deliveries. I mean, if you have a great experience with it, just keep going but deliveries been pretty bugged these days

So don't be surprised if it works badly

[cobalt timber]

tbh those are just missions im interested in, I suck ass at flying and combat so I figured the cargo can help me learn to fly a little bit better

[spare cloud]

Combat missions and racing will probably teach you better. It won't be easy at first, but you'll quickly get the basics. You can also ask a !guide to teach you the basics of flying and/or combat

[wary tusk]

Star Citizen's Player Guide System

Click the link above to request a player who can guide you through any gameplay aspect, including the Basics!

*Can also be used to find a buddy to play with!

[bleak lark]

I hope the freight update adds large deliveries for Hull ships and such

[graceful kiln]

freight update? Is that on the schedule or something?

[bleak lark]

It was shown off at citcon

[zealous kindle]

I am so uncluky

i actually hate this game

[minor needle]

Yo guys, did the party cargo transfer bug got fixed? Where throwing friends salvage onto my ship counted as stolen?

[dark stone]

why cant I sell my MAZE, says No Demand at all the places I take it to

Grim Hex, Samson&sons and Brios all say no demand

[graceful kiln]

because lots of other folks are also selling Maze

[dark stone]

ah ok

[vestal ravine]

What I have done is bedlog in space and relog to a new region...

[spare cloud]

Which is useless since shop stocks are cross server

[sonic fiber]

Do you all actually enjoy trading? It's just click buy fly somewhere click sell.

With lots of riding elevators

I do the grind because money

[rich siren]

there cross server within there own region, the terminals are not cross region (Yet).

If you were to get on another server wtihin the same US region for instance they all use the same terminals linked

but if I go onto EU its a completely different terminal with completely different available sell capacity

[cobalt timber]

Hey I have a package and when I try to pick it up, nothing happens. Cant even use multi tool, how do I fix it???

[fair delta]

anyone know where the best place to sell salvage is at

[spare cloud]

City TDDs

[fair delta]

so any planet?

[spare cloud]

Yes

[fair delta]

ok thanks

[jolly escarp]

Where is the best place to sell slam?

[iron knot]

What's the best route for cargo trading rn for c2

[graceful kiln]

Beryl, pick one of the outposts that producces a ton, and fly it to your choice of major city

[iron knot]

How much money do I roughly need

For a full cargo

[graceful kiln]

'round 2mil maybe? You'd have enough with 2mil at least

[iron knot]

Hm is the profit per trip

[graceful kiln]

yes...? I don't know what profit numbers you're looking at, nor did I mention any lol. Beryl's the best you can get in terms of cargo that's consistently available and sellable

[vestal ravine]

I do Mt to Orison with Beryl 1.4 million cost with a 414 k profit.

[graceful kiln]

meanwhile I just do Ita to Hurston, only about 290k profit, but the run takes half as long as MT to Orison

[iron knot]

Thanks

[leaden reef]

anyone know how to enable space break while in decoupled?

[hearty wren]

how do you open a crashed down 890j?

[covert fulcrum]

where do i sell my loot

[river oasis]

A 32 box can't fit in a msr can it?

[spare cloud]

It can fit at least 2 of it, but not on grid

[spare cloud]

Fire at the bottom elevator or at the hangar door

[spare cloud]

X ? Or Shift (boost)

[river oasis]

Is that dangerous?

[spare cloud]

Any scrap yard like Brio's

[iron knot]

Bro

[weak lantern]

I managed to fit 3 in the msr

[low dagger]

is there any feasable hull c trading?

[spare cloud]

No, just make sure it doesn't glitch and wiggle

[low dagger]

damn thats barely any money

[spare cloud]

[low dagger]

the fuck man

whats the initial investment on it?

[spare cloud]

Between 92x4608 and 2299x4608

[low dagger]

wat

[river oasis]

Thanks

[river oasis]

Thanks

[fickle dune]

Someone said last night the Caterpiller had a hidden smuggler hold

[graceful kiln]

If it does, thats news to me

[fickle dune]

weird. They wanted to show it to me but I 30kd

[graceful kiln]

So, OFFICIALLY there isnt. Mqybe theres a nook you could stuff some boxes

That said in the PU there is also the bug that traps you on the lower level of the command module since you cant climb back up the ladder, its broken. Fixed in PTU but not on Live yet

Maybe they were teicking you to kidnap you lol

[icy island]

Question... The caterpillar is no longer available for pledge again. From my research it's been available and gone several times. Is this an annual thing or did I just miss the last opportunity forever?

[spare cloud]

Every ship is available to pledge at the IAE, in november. This is when you can buy rare ships that are only available once or twice during a year.
Caterpillar isn't a rare pledge, and is available every so often, it's just a random cycle, like many others, that comes in and out of the store

[icy island]

Yay! Thank you for the info! I'm very new and didn't have the money while it was available so I'm glad I'll have another opportunity. It's a lot to put out but the cat is what got me into star citizen in the first place so it has a special place for me.

[jovial shoal]

so the F8C will be available again? i missed that chance

[spare cloud]

#ccu-and-fleet-advice or #helpdesk but yes, F8C will be available to every one who completed the SQ42 campaign or smtg like this. People who didn't get the chance to pledge for one won't have an other opportunity before that.

[jovial shoal]

woops didnt realize the channel i was in 😛 ty

[lofty crest]

need to build me a cargo hauling fleet, its the trucker life for me babbeeeeey

[icy island]

I highly recommend the freelancer max. It's got some flaws cause she's an old girl but she will do you right if what you want is cargo. You'll have to go in at an angle to get the roc inside because of the transmission sticking out the bottom of the roc but otherwise it's been great all around.

[lofty crest]

aye had a max a few years ago proper lil run around that one was, i might dabble into the raft for entry then move onto zeus -> cat-> galaxay?

ofc after that its very much up in the air

i have a carrack atm but i think im gonna ccu up too a galaxy

its a weird mishmash of ship progression but i think ill vibe with it, have some defensivness if needed as well

[icy island]

that is an interesting progression. soulds like your leaning towards a more offensive cargo line than a defensive one.

[zenith crag]

Does anyone have a spreadsheet of all commodities? including drugs and illegal cargo like gasping weevil eggs and exotic cargo like that? I cant find a site that includes all cargo with their selling price at x location

[graceful kiln]

https://sc-trade.tools/home

or any of the other trade websites you can find on google

[zenith crag]

its good but they dont have gasping weevil eggs

[spare cloud]

No site has them afaik 110k aUEC/SCU

[zenith crag]

ok tyvm

is there even better cargo that you can get out of risky salvage missions?

[spare cloud]

No

[zenith crag]

ok

Are risky salvage missions better for cargo stealing than ERT bounty hunting and then stealing their cargo?

are they the same?

[neat light]

i was told that some ships now have external storage containers... like the c2. does anyone know what ships have this?

[vestal ravine]

I have heard that ERT ships can have very good salvage hauls but I have not messed with those per se. I generally look for the Herc series risky then general as needed. Plus the "Wake" mission is good also. Some ships will only have general cargo if you don't see anythingof high value you can log off and re-roll or wait for fresh missions to pop up.

[vestal ravine]

I don't think the C2 will ever get such an attachment...

[vestal ravine]

The top 3 in general are the Eggs, Maze and Quantanium.

[honest grove]

Ships that carry cargo externally: Hull C, Hull A, and I guess you could include the Nomad.

[graceful kiln]

by external storage they might've meant the equipment storage, the tab for which in inventory is 'External'

[wraith cairn]

Annyone know if andromeda can fit 2x of the long large 32scu containers?

[neat light]

when destroyuying a ship with cargo, i get a cargo container. Ive managed to get a smaller size 3 and a medium size 3 container. the smaller had 112k volcume and i think the medium had 1mil. will larger containers spawn if I kill a ship with more cargo? ive trying to aquire a single large container so i can facilitate some trades with a friend of mine

i was unable to fit a fs400 in the medium sized size 3 container, even though the volume appeared to check out

[cedar token]

The boxes you are referring to (I believe), are 1scu and 2scu boxes. The ship does not necessarily need cargo, but rather inventory. Probably what you meant. Those are the only two sizes that will spawn when a ship explodes with inventory. If you have more inventory than a 2scu container can hold, you will just get more of them, up to a max of 20. Haven't tried putting any ship components in one, so I can't speak to that.

[neat light]

me and a friend bought ship parts at different areas for each other. we plan to meet up at serraphic and trade. im guessing there is no way to trade between each other? ive seen people meet in space and tractor beam stuff, but that sounds like a huge pain. what can i do to trade a few engines for a few weapons?

[cedar token]

A trade like that would have to happen in space. You should be able to drag the component to the cargo bay of your ship, just as you would drag something like a bottle to the floor in a station to see the physicalized version of it. Someone can correct me if I am wrong on being able to drag in ship components. Then you have to head to space in order to use the tractor beams that would be necessary to move the larger components around. Haven't tested any of this myself, but should work.

[cedar token]

I was wrong. Just checked. Only carryable items may be dropped.

[hearty wren]

you'd have to install the parts you want to trade in a ship, open the ports and remove them all manually (only works if its a ship that has external/internal access to the components such as a gladius). Then have someone pick it all up in a separate ship. Its a total pain in the ass

Note that the guy trading with you must also have a ship that allows the ability to install and uninstall any components with a tractor beam TOO.

[cedar token]

Yeah, seems like way less hassle to just go buy the components you want from the station/city that offers them.

[hearty wren]

I know

but back then we used to use the scu containers u get from dying in armistice but i guess it doesnt work anymore

[proud pumice]

@vestal ravine WoD last night, found a C2 with 408 quant in it. With the 100 I had in hold already it was quite a nice little payday

@neat light easiest way to get one of those crates is buy a cheap salvage for a ship that has a walkable interior. Eva over, drop all your armor and backpack in into the ship inventory. Get in your ship and blow up the target ship. Boom, easy 1scu crate plus all your stuff back. They won't attach to cargo grid, and get funky and fly out of the Ursa sometimes, but they are awesome for cleaning up bunkers

Throw a pair of those 10k Eva suits into a ship inventory and you get a 2 sci crate

[vestal ravine]

truly amazing!!

[proud pumice]

Was just waiting for someone to pop in and blast me

[wraith cairn]

would grim hex work same as the junkyards for selling cargo from 30k risky salvage?

[rich siren]

Yes but more limited buy inventory

sell inventory i mean* lol

so ur gona wait a while for stock to refresh to sell off your haul

[wraith cairn]

Uhh, annyone know if the freelancer max can fit 2 of the big 32scu containers?

[spring prism]

#4-8-0-live message

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-18640695

[low dagger]

damn where'd you get all that quant

[proud pumice]

Couple salvage missions, then in a WoD there was a C2 with 408 in it

[spring prism]

The rarity weight on what size boxes that appear in salvage ships isn't set, so large 32 SCU crates have the same rate of spawning as a 1 SCU Crate, provided Quantanium spawns in the first place

[low dagger]

Jesus christ

[orchid sail]

NWMXYG

[low dagger]

I dont think large boxes spawning are an issue but the stuff that spawns in them is a massive issue

[spring prism]

Yes. Which is why the rarity weight has to apply to not only the rarity of the commodity, but that same commodity's crate size.

So let's say there's a 20% chance of spawning Quantanium in a ship. If it somehow spawns, the size should also be chosen with a similar percentage. For instance, a 32 SCU Crate could spawn with a 10% chance for Quantanium specifically.

[low dagger]

Ah I see what you mean. Yeah you are right

[spring prism]

Basically the developers would set a bunch of percentages in each row of commodity:

Name        | Rarity (%) | 32 (%) | 16 (%) | 8 (%)
——————————————————————————————————————————————————
Quantanium  |         20 |     10 |     20 |    30
Hadanite    |         20 |     15 |     25 |    35
Iron        |         40 |     20 |     30 |    40

The game would check the rarity first, then if that roll hits, then it checks the rarities of all the SCU Sizes. It wouldn't need to waste resources checking SCU Size rarity if the base rarity hits.

[low dagger]

also probably have the presence of a certain size of SCU box of a rare material affect the spawning of anymore of that same material or other rare materials

[spring prism]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-correct-yup-thats-right-dr-emmett-brown-gif-16500686

A set of Redundancy percentage columns where...

1 Copy = 40%
2 Copies = 20%
3 Copies = 10%

...and so forth. If the first roll hits, it tries to roll the second, if it doesn't hit, it ignores the next columns for redundancy. It will re-roll the SCU Size for each copy. Another column could be in place that tells the database to subtract a percentage from the SCU reroll. Such as 10% for Quantanium. Which would make it impossible for a second 32 SCU Crate to spawn as per that table above.

[low dagger]

it shouldn't be impossible but rare

[spring prism]

I guess it could cap the floor at 1% then

[low dagger]

OR alternatively if they do have a ship filled with large amounts of high worth cargo you should have to fight for it. Like pirates or sum shit

[spring prism]

For that they could add a counter system that when the ship reaches the end of the material list rolls, would reference, and then make a roll on a table for how many pirates, what class the pirates should be, etc. IE: If there is a copy of Quantanium, then the "Worth" Counter gets increased by 2 as an example. If a second copy is rolled, that is doubled.

[low dagger]

ah yeah that could work

[cedar token]

It's ok, I spec'd into luck, and have a loaded d20 in the cockpit of my C2.

[spare cloud]

It can

[sonic fiber]

Well cargo is impossible. 10 people at gold seller. Might as well pirate instead

Economy needs some work

[tall karma]

Gold is not the only resource and I would argue its one of the worst since its very high risk and takes a long time to fill your hold. You can make just as much doing multiple hauls of beryl.

[sonic fiber]

Multiple hauls being the key. Who wants to do 4 hauls instead of 1?

Simply adding supply and demand would fix it. More gold sold, lower demand for it, lower price

Meanwhile keep increasing sell price of scrap till its worth hauling.

[tall karma]

Because you can do 4 hauls faster than the 1 gold. Ita->loreville

[late dawn]

is there any orbital station to sell ore cargo from salvage missions or is it just planetary locations?

[sonic fiber]

Only because no gold. Smo18 to nb

Just make other co.modites worth hauling. Problem solved

[spare cloud]

Someone with a viable solution currently available in game, arguing with someone who wants to rework the whole game for ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Classic

[sonic fiber]

Improve

[sonic fiber]

I'm just burnt out on bugs and grind. I'll take a break till next release

[worthy scroll]

Welcome to alpha testing, that's the point of it! It'll be more of the same until we hit beta stage. Then it'll be more of the same until release.

[sonic fiber]

I've been alpha testing for 10 years

[worthy scroll]

Length of time is irrelevant. It takes as long as it takes.

[sonic fiber]

It's relevant to my enjoyment

[worthy scroll]

And that's a you thing. 🤣 Gotta have the right expectations and understanding as to what it is we're playing.

[sonic fiber]

All I'm asking for is make other things worth trading. I will.gladly haul waste if there's a point.

[worthy scroll]

It'll come. Lots of stuff are worth trading right now, you don't have to go for the highest value (highest pirated) items, you can go lower and still make a lot of money. Missions are coming as well, just be patient.

[sonic fiber]

No there are not lots of stuff worth trading. There are drugs and gold for the average hauler. Below that There are better things to do than cargo.

[worthy scroll]

Ah, so you're determining what's good by the value alone, and only the highest value is worth it to you. That's how credit per hour players think. Not everyone plays that way.

[sonic fiber]

Ok

[worthy scroll]

A lot of players trade lesser value things because the risk of piracy is far lower that way. It's still a great way to make a ton of money. Do you make as much as the higher value stuff? Of course not. But it's still a lot of credits, and if you do get pirated (or lose it all to a bug), don't lose anywhere near as much compared to the top end commodities.

[sonic fiber]

It isn't a great way or a lot of credits. But forget it. Moving on.

[worthy scroll]

🤷

[graceful kiln]

Close to a million per hour feels like pretty good money to me

[worthy scroll]

And you can do FAR better than that by not hauling cargo with a cargo ship. Scavenge salvage missions.

[spare cloud]

Balanced game loop

[worthy scroll]

Ha, yeah. I get why they made it pay so ludicrously high though, they need people testing the new SCU boxes.

Make the incentive credits, and people will do it.

[tall karma]

Making 300,000 aUEC in 15 minutes hauling beryl is pretty good profit by any standard for any game loop in the game. Just need a C2, and you're set.

[worthy scroll]

When I was into hauling making 100k per run was a pretty good profit. Now you make so much more it's crazy.

[thick socket]

I’m trying to save up money but each time I get money and put it in cargo my the game logs me out it works once and a while but i have lost 50k anyone think they could help me?

Like any ideas how to fix it

I only rent a ship idk if that is the cause of it

[graceful kiln]

So in the event of a 30k the ship tends to get sent back to your last port or your home port. When you check the ASOP terminals, if it isnt destroyed, dont claim it, go to where it is. However with a rented ship... not sure. Is the rental time running out in the meantime? Could be it

[kindred falcon]

I wonder how drug salvage/selling is going to be if there's ever a place ships with docking capabilities only could use. Some games have a honor amongst thieves perspective, but somehow I don't think that's going to apply to Pyro sell points

[graceful kiln]

Once the reputation systems are in, there will be some safety to be found in Pyro when friendly with the right ganvs, i bet. Wont be shoot on sight, no repercussions everywhere i bet

[tall karma]

Taking cargo in like a Hull C where you have to dock to unload to a system like Pyro means you had better budget in a large contingent of fighters to protect your haul.

[kindred falcon]

Kinda curious how the antigriefing rule is going to evolve given that Pyro is mostly armistice free. Go to some station to sell, and even though you're well defended, someone decides to kamikaze as the only course of action to take you down but still not in a normally protected area...is that still griefing or just a cheap shot

[tall karma]

People just need to learn how to ask for help and not complain about being a victim.

The more a person complains, the less people will help them, the more they beseech the community to assist in policing the system, the better off everyone and the "griefers" get exactly what they're attempting to achieve - PvP.

If they are there to ruin someone's day, then they will flee the 1st sign they're going to lose, and you now have a somewhat secure port. If they did it to pick a fight, then it sparks the PvP activity this game is meant to have.

I've played some games like this before, more in the fantasy genre and probably lower risk overall, but the seeking assistance angle was always the best and most exciting way to play. It can lead to some truly epic experiences - or it can lead to a ton of trolling in global after someone gets their ass kicked.

[kindred falcon]

You get ganked out in open space, that's fair game and if you get got, you get got combat wise. This moreso applies to what defines griefing in a system that is defined by CIG as lawless?

You get shot down, that's fair and square, but how does lawlessness impact the definition of griefing in regards to ramming

[tall karma]

I think ramming is just a product of insufficient development on the mechanics. Ramming with a m50 vs a giant armored carrier, should result in the m50 going boom and the carrier sustaining minor damage.

They haven't added armor in the game, maybe that will turn the tables on ramming and make the bigger ships better at surviving a collision.

[kindred falcon]

I agree with you about not going to Pyro if you don't want a fight, but at some point down the road towards this, cig is going to have to set a line in the sand on what goes and what doesn't or every well defended ship is just gonna be defaulted to ramming with a sufficient ship to blow it up

[graceful kiln]

I think it'll come down to the fact the rammer suffers the same fate as the one they rammed, and there will be consequences to dying and blowing up your own ship all the time

[kindred falcon]

I don't think it's the same fate at all. Pyro is a pvp system, yes. But I don't think that's the PvP they are aiming for

Asset denial with the intent of recovery for profit out in space: ✅

Asset denial with the intent of solely denying the other person a sell without engaging in actual combat: ❓

[proud pumice]

Griefers gonna grief just for the lulz is the problem.

[kindred falcon]

They're going to do it regardless of what system they are in because of some addition to troll like satisfaction , but given the addition of new systems, where does that line in the sand shift to in order to maintain the intended player experience

[proud pumice]

Exactly my point. They will do it regardless of the "consequences" just for the lulz

[kindred falcon]

But until stated otherwise, it's going to be seen as a viable tactic in general, so that's why I'm curious as to what the definition of griefing will shift to in general with regards to Pyro or its going to be a lot more people

[glossy trout]

Thats what I am thinking about rn after my honey moon phase is over.

I am wondering rn if I should just refund the game now and wait a couple of years later until there got a clear understanding is established. a
But there is that Cargo update that I see a couple of vids that are out recently that I do want to try out, but that is probably far away I dunno If I should just give up on playing it and just watch videos of that update 😓

[proud pumice]

It's entirely your choice of course, but I would offer there's at least a little chance that whatever game package you bought may go up in price between now and then. Probably not a lot, but it's a chance.

It's not like your account will get deleted or something. But then again you may never decide you want to try SC again, in which case you've got the money back

[glossy trout]

😓

yea its a bit tough choice rn

[proud pumice]

Yeah. It's a no wrong answer situation

[glossy trout]

[subtle musk]

does the nomad have a cargo grid? recently upgraded my titan to it and i noticed nothing is snapping on
or is that just a property of the 1SCU personal crate

[proud pumice]

That's just part of the personal crates. They don't snap to grid

It's really annoying, and I wish they would change it

[subtle musk]

hey so i found some cargo on the ground near a landing pad
does it count as stolen? and can i sell it at a capital TDD?

[tall karma]

No cargo is every considered "stolen". It is either contraband or not contraband. As long as it wasn't drugs or contraband that can only be sold at no questions asked, or salvage yards, you can take it and sell it at TDD.

When stolen stuff comes into play currently (which is buggy) is gems and junk looted from mines/outposts. Those items can only be sold at GH and no questions asked terminals.

[iron knot]

What's the most profitable trade route for c2 rn?

Im Currently doing microtech to crusader

[tall karma]

It depends on profit per run, or profit per unit of time. Gold from MT to Orison is the highest profits per single run. Very dangerous, very time consuming because of low supply, and you need a lot of money to seed the run.

For profits per hour, I'd say Beryl from Ita to Loreville. Super quick. High supply. Low risk. You'll probably net more profit in a day doing the Beryl runs simply because gold is scarce. If you lose any gold haul, it will take a long time to make up that loss as well.

Pirates love to camp out near the gold supply because it's in heavy atmo, and they can shut you down to prevent flight way easier than other routes.

[hoary monolith]

do you think the Spirit C1 be released for IAE?

[spare cloud]

It'll be released with 3.21.1. Now is 3.21.1 gonna come in with IAE, maybe 🤷

[hoary monolith]

I'm debating between the C1 and Zeus mkii cl.

I'm leaning towards the zeus, but don't want the A1 loaner

need something to move refinery jobs to tdd

but my connie is just too big to land easily

[spare cloud]

CL will have the C1 loaner as soon as C1 is released

[graceful kiln]

Is that confirmed?

[hoary monolith]

That's why I'm hoping hte c1 comes out soon

[spare cloud]

Skill issue. A bit of practice and nothing is hard to land in hangars

Except maybe the Reclaimer

[graceful kiln]

The Connie's not so bad once you get used to having to plop it down ass-first

like, a 5 degree incline in your descent is ideal I find

now, you want hard landing, try flying the Cat around...

[hoary monolith]

I can land it, but it is not convenient

also, will eventually be too big for solo once engineering gameplay comes in

[glossy trout]

I believe with all my heart the ai crew can land for me ☺️

[elder rune]

Hello. Sorry for very noob question but, I was just trying to sell some refined ores at Lorville, but couldnt sell my iron? Can I not sell my iron there?

[spare cloud]

No they don't. See !tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[elder rune]

Thank you mah man!

[hidden sedge]

what kind of cargo does ERT usually have?

drugs?

[spare cloud]

Quantainium, all kind of drugs from weevil and maze to neon and altruciatoxin, shitty metals and minerals from corundum to borase. Most of the time it's drugs.

[hidden sedge]

any ship recommendation that can fight and have decent cargo space?

[spare cloud]

Any Starlifter, Taurus or Corsair

[pliant quartz]

Whats the names fo the diffrent drugs in sc?

[iron rune]

Widow, slam, e'tam, maze, neon, altruciatoxin

[proven sparrow]

Does anyone have Demeco lmgs for sell?

[iron rune]

#1019852856460853258 might be the place to look!

[proven sparrow]

TY!

[scarlet rover]

How does trading with the Hull C work? It can only load/unload at stations, correct?

[spare cloud]

Correct.

Can also trade in Jump point stations but they don't bring much in

[graceful kiln]

worth noting it is a little more involved than just that. You have to dock with the station, head to the admin terminal, sell your cargo, go back to the ship, undock, contact the cargo deck (sometimes it just auto-prepares the cargo area, sometimes the deck doesn't respond, sometimes I have to redock then undock and it works, etc), fly into the box, align with the station properly (I put it on my starboard side, sems to work), hold position until unloaded.... then go and dock again, run down to admin, buy something, get back in ship, go get the cargo loaded this time... then finally go to your next destination

there's no way it's going to stay this tedious forever, but I wouldn't expect it to change in the 'soon' timebracket, unfortunately. I really do love the Hulls after flying the C for a while, and I like the potential, but there's a little too much tedium to make it worth doing full time right now, for me. Especially since you get better profit over time just running a C2 from moon to planet hauling Beryl right now

[calm edge]

Is that what will change with the introduction of cargo elevators? I can't imagine having to fly out to a box and cargo auto loads onto your ship will be a thing forever. Surely there will be specialized cargo docking bays of some kind for these big ships that let you load cargo on yourself. Don't know how good that would be for the tediousness though

[graceful kiln]

Hard to say what will change, but my personal expectations: At some point you will either be able to do all the cargo ordering (buy/sell transactions) through the Mobiglass, or at the very least, do both Buy/Sell transactions in one trip to the kiosk (additional note; you can only buy or sell one commodity at a time; if you have Iron, Helium, and Hydrogen aboard, that means three trips currently)... the tedium, then, will be in actually loading the cargo yourself, if you so desire, since I'd bet they will let you pay a fee to have NPCs do it or help you

also, given the size of the ships - I'd expect it will be similar still. You'll pull alongside the station, but rather than just magically appearing boxes, you'll instead find your crates floating on or near the station itself, so you can load them. The Hulls C and up all have a bunch of tractor beam turrets so you can do it that way

like, the tedium right now is bullshit tedium; the entire gameplay for it feels like a placeholder because the other mechanics aren't fully in yet, so I'm not concerned. The future tedium - cargo loading/unloading manually - is what I'm actually looking forward to somewhat. I enjoy the tetris gameplay of the salvage/ERT cargo loop, after all

[spare cloud]

Where can I buy your book

[graceful kiln]

the joke is I had enough time running Hull C lops to type that up while things were happening

[hearty wren]

hello i have a question

i have stacked boxes of maze on top of 32 scu of maze will it cause problems before selling?

Both arent snapped to grid

[hearty wren]

also what does "250 SCU + 16/min" mean as per sc trade tools

[graceful kiln]

it means that the store will have a maximum available supply (or demand) of 250scu, and generates up to that amount at 16scu per minute

and that total is shared across servers IIRC

so if you are, say, trying to sell 500 of that thing, if you were the only person selling, it would still take you like 15-20min to be able to sell it all

[hearty wren]

damn that sucks

thanks

im sitting on top of 500 scu of maze that i cant sell lol

[graceful kiln]

just hit up each of the salvage yards in turn

[hearty wren]

does it update while you are watching the screen

[graceful kiln]

you'll have it all sold by the time you get to the last one

[hearty wren]

yeah all of them are sold out unfortunately

i havent checkked MT

[graceful kiln]

could store the ship and wait for Jumptown lol

[hearty wren]

thats true

but who knows when the next one is coming

if i just stare at the screen for a min will it update

or do i have to back off and walk towards it again

[graceful kiln]

dunno

[hearty wren]

its a good time for me to try it now i guess

so in cru l4 it says 20/min it means 20scu per min?

[graceful kiln]

yes

wait

yeah

though only 50SCU max

probably not quicker, since it's safer

[hearty wren]

yeah so say i sold out 50

[graceful kiln]

ie: completely safe lol

[hearty wren]

i wait 1 min to be able to sell again or wait for the system to top off 50

[graceful kiln]

don't forget you're competing with everyone else selling at that station

[hearty wren]

it sucks though cuz 1 unit is mistaken for 1scu in this station

my cargo are selling for 2m/unit

its like sitting on gold

[graceful kiln]

mines...?

[hearty wren]

there sorry worded it wrong

[graceful kiln]

you mean trying to pick up gold?

[hearty wren]

no had to sit on these maze boxes cuz everywhere else is sold hence the saying sitting on gold

[graceful kiln]

ahh

[hearty wren]

btw i meant to ask so u said cargo is server based right? what if i go to a different region like Asia for example? would the demand be the same?

[dry stratus]

What are some good cargo to start cargo hauling?

[hearty wren]

like buying and selling?

[dry stratus]

Yeah

[hearty wren]

see sc trade tools

but you might get a better answer than me lol i never cargo run

[dry stratus]

Okay, thanks

[hearty wren]

https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes

this page allows you to put your ship, and also put the amount of your investments

it will show you which is best for you

gold is the best i recommend using the filters on the left hand side and filter out Gold see which is the next best thing

since gold will always be sold out and be harder to sell

[graceful kiln]

Gold is best only if you're looking at profit per trip

actual best, once you have a ship with 400+ SCU cargo hold, is Beryl

Gold's a trap, go for profit over time instead

[hearty wren]

500 scu of maze took me hours to sell jesus

welp, its fun while it lasted just waiting on the reset now

[fresh mango]

just made a solid 3.1mill off a single ship's drugs. Good day.

[proud pumice]

@fresh mango very nice. Just wait till you find one of the holy Grail ships, the rush of seeing the sold message is amazing

[loud mural]

Yeah I don't really take the drugs anymore

[lime nova]

sup nerds. I'm looking for a decent cargo ship with about 150-250 SCU.

[spare cloud]

Taurus ?

172 or 176 not sure

[lime nova]

something not a constellation

[spare cloud]

A2

[vocal oracle]

Railen, although it is over 250

[lime nova]

in-game

[spare cloud]

Thing is there are only two ships between 150 and 250. Taurus and A2.
Closest not between 150-250 are :
Freelancer MAX or MSR (120 and 114 SCU)
Then Starfarer, 290.

[lime nova]

I think I'll just go with the raft

ik it's got less than 150, but that's not the end of the world

[spare cloud]

MAX lancer is great 🤷

[tawny gull]

Is it possible to transfer cargo between ships at a station? So say I have a smaller ship with cargo I dock at a station. I want to move that to a larger ship to transport to TDD to sell. Is that possible?

[lime nova]

unfortunately it has a terminal condition called "being a freelancer"

fuckin love the raft

[lime nova]

iirc you can as long as you own both ships

[tawny gull]

Can I do that at the Admin console, or somewhere else?

[spare cloud]

No, you need to transfer it all by yourself with a tractor beam

[sand aspen]

Legal or Risky?

[fresh mango]

risky

Most of that was widow, one was toxin

[placid swift]

hi, what's a good place online to keep track on commodity trading?

[glossy trout]

I have grinded enough illegal missions for the freelancer MAX 🙂

[green bear]

I don't know if I was just getting lucky with maze containers but I went from maybe 100k aUEC to an 890 Jump in just one day

[proud timber]

How do I unlock 30k missions

[spare cloud]

Wdym keep track ? Real time information on stocks and prices ? Nowhere, doesn't exist.
Best tool is !tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[spare cloud]

Complete one 1k salvage mission and one 20k.

[split goblet]

which is more accurate SC trade tools or UEXcorp?

[spare cloud]

Probably trade tools, but none can be 100% accurate

[tawny gull]

CRU-L4 Hidden Terminal payout for Maze really low compared to the scrap yards?

[graceful kiln]

Not low, just very time consuming since i believe the demand only goes to 10scu max

[tawny gull]

I sold 28 SCU in one go just a little bit ago there.

Got roughly $2.5mil

[rugged axle]

thats about right...its 90k/scu

[opal scroll]

what u do when the package is stuck to your hand ?

[waxen coral]

Why does hailing the Cargo department not work in the Hull C anymore? It keeps cutting off transmission as soon as I try to reach out

[vestal ravine]

Use the wipe helmet faceshield key bind or draw a gun...

[main grove]

I saw a video yesterday of a player doing salvage and says he goes to the white ship icons we see In space to look for loot. I'm baffled on how do you even get to them as there is no way to qt to them or tell how far away they are or is there something I don't know.

[graceful kiln]

Pretty much how it has always been for me. However, if i dock and then undock again, almost always it will then spawn the unloading box

[twin stirrup]

I havent been reading much on the issue counsel has anyone heard anything on a fix for docking collars not extending when pulling my Hull C?

[graceful kiln]

not heard any word. Can fix it by storing and pulling it back out, or just by spacewalking to the ship from one of the pads. I like to spawn a small fighter and leave it on the pad just in case, something with a quick claim time. Can be quite the jaunt on some stations

[proud pumice]

@main grove the game will spawn ships out in the black that you can find. The trick is to look at the radar signatures to determine if it might be a ship or not, but I think that the signatures are still busted at the moment. I haven't tried in a while

[calm edge]

I got myself some revenant pods, but not in SCU form. I have individual items. Where can I sell these lootable items? I took a look at UEX but I think that only shows where locations are buying in SCU.

[tall karma]

I think it is still bugged and considering gems and resources looted from boxes to be considered stolen, so you have to go to GH admin to sell them from ship inventory

[calm edge]

got them at the station inventory tho..

weird

[loud mural]

wew wrong channel sorry

[hoary dragon]

no clue if this channel is right but I couldnt find a ship talk channel, but do yall think/know if the Zeus Mk2s will be able to carry a Storm?

[graceful kiln]

Unlikely. If any could I think it'd be the CL, but the height may be the issue. They've said it will fir a Cyclone, but that's all the confirmation we have

[zenith crag]

Did they fix the amount of maze you can get in 30k salvage missions? I feel like they nerfed it already but it shouldve been in 3.12.1

[next tide]

Both seem like a nightmare right now. None of em are fully updated to current and they're all having mixed issues. Overall I'd say trade tools though. UEX always bugs out on me personally

[late saddle]

Hello guys. I am new in game. Right now I only do bunkers because they are kind of easy. But i would like to start with trading but i am afraid. I dont know where to start. Which material is illegal and which not. What route to use and is save and what is not. Which web site to use. Can you give me advice please?

[spare cloud]

Use !tradetools ⬇️
If you want to fly safe, avoid the most rewarding routes like gold. It's not even that good compared to quick beryl runs.
You can select or remove vice cargo on the website so you know you're not hauling illegal stuff if you don't want to.
120 SCU (Freelancer MAX) is the minimum if you want to make money with lawful cargo. With a smaller ship, you better run drugs.

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[late saddle]

Ok, right now i have only ma starter ship 100i. And around 1,4m. but i was wondering that i will rent andromeda. But still somehow affraid of pirate players 😕

[spare cloud]

They're not very common outside of the main routes, and rn, even gold isn't the main thing because of salvage and bounties cargo

[warm sonnet]

if you have 1.4 ( and you are willing to spend most of it ) you can get a cutlas black witch can be used for cargo huling and in the unliky case you do run in to pirates you shold be fine if i dont feal safe on a cargo run i use the cutlas balck so it is a grate ship if you dont feel safe for huling

[hoary monolith]

For a solo player moving cargo from refinery to TDD is there any benefit to swapping my connie taurus to a Zeus mkii CL? I'm thinking the CL will be easier to maneuver making it faster to land with only a small cargo capacity loss.

[graceful kiln]

We have no idea what the performance of the Zeus will be. But i highly doubt the difference will be enough to make much of a differe tmce for you. That... and youd go from having a cargo ship to fly, to having an A1 loaner

[hoary monolith]

The loaner should swap to the c1 once it comes out at IAE, but that has a lot less cargo than the CL

[clever forge]

i just hit a jackpot

[hoary monolith]

nice. risky salvage?

[clever forge]

nope, regular C2 salvage

not even risky

now i wait to sell it all

[hoary monolith]

good luck

[clever forge]

after a quick calculation, thats 18.81 mil

in a single run

we are BALLIN

[hoary monolith]

Still need to safely sell it, thats the "fun" part of illegal cargo

Grim hex and salvage yards can be dicey to get into with a cargo ship

[final pelican]

just peaked and made the most i'm probably ever gonna make from ERT cargo... over 560scu of weevil eggs from one ERT

58 million credits total

eggs were split across an 890j and caterpillar

[spare cloud]

[halcyon wedge]

Bruh I've done so many single ERTs and only found 10 scu one time. Stories like this keep me motivated

What ship are you using?

I assume C2 by the volume but were you solo?

[spare cloud]

All the Hercules variants have pretty much the save interior space. A2 grid is more than 3 times smaller than C2 but off grid it can fit pretty much the same

I use A2 for this and to bomb the scrap yards

[tall karma]

My best find was on an ERT where I was in the A2, and found someting like 230 SCU of MAZE during a Jumptown weekend. The advantage here is that you can sell MAZE at either Grim Hex or Seraphim Station when Jumptown is active after you accept the mission, and the mission giver will almost match the sales. The end result was over 40 million made in a single haul (though I had to wait to sell it all due to insufficient demand).

The most I've found in weevil eggs personally was 19mil worth in one haul.

After making more than 250mil from ERT and Salvage hauls, it loses the appeal and the only time I would bother to do this now would be during JT weekend hunting Maze specifically for the big gains and immediately max out your rep with ruto or crusader.

[final pelican]

i do the ERT in my corsair and if the cargo haul is too large for it i get my alt and bring a c2

[main grove]

I sure they going to nerf the hell out of this. Its way to easy money to buy ships In game.

[vestal ravine]

See my other salvage post. Negative earnings tonight total disaster in the salvage world.

[hidden sedge]

what about cargo bounties, i saw the post about it being rebalanced but have anybody checked the bounties yet?

[nimble sable]

seem to be cargo on both derelict and AI ship so both gonna get hit

[zealous bolt]

i started playing not too long ago and i already made up to 30M, how long has the 30k salvage "exploit" been in the game?

[hidden sedge]

a bit over a month if i'm not wrong

[zealous bolt]

did they say something on when thy will nerf/remove this? because as a new player its great because i have a bunch of ships to play with, but for pepole that actually grinded the game to its limits it must feel like a slap in the face

[stoic raft]

guys, why when I tried to land in shubin 10 it said I was trespassing?

[halcyon wedge]

Epic cheat sheet. Thank you for this.

[halcyon wedge]

I've gone from rich to poor in many wipes like so many others. Money doesn't really matter at this stage of the game. Make it to play with it. Can you imagine how much data CIG is getting on salvage right now and their cargo refactoring/grid systems with everyone doing this? You can look at it that way. CIG want's data, just incentivize it

[vestal ravine]

...and for a long time Quantanium mining was the big money maker but if you didn't like mining you were left out and now Quantanium is a lot rarer to find so these cycles come and go including exploits like the Mule duping. I am going back to normal trading/vice running just need 4.5 million for the Reclaimer I want.

[vestal ravine]

Could of been a glitch of some sort are you okay now?

[stoic raft]

nah, someone help me, I was going to the processing

my bad, 5th day

[tall karma]

Was the Hull-C rentable at IAE during the MISC showcase? I don't think I had the chance to see that day on my limited PTU play time.

[lavish horizon]

looking to upgrade from my avenger titan. any suggestions for the next step up to actually haul?

[spare cloud]

The freelancer MAX would be the smallest ship to actually haul. But more importantly, I recommend you keep a starter for fast claims and access to other gameplay than only hauling. Ask in #ccu-and-fleet-advice , this is not the place.

[glossy peak]

Are you able to manually load/unload the Hull C using a tractor beam?

[elfin rune]

ive been off for a while, with all that " salvage cargo " moving around, traditional hauling its still a thing?

[spare cloud]

Sure is. And less chance of seeing pirates, cause they're all on scrap yards.

[elfin rune]

ty

[broken harness]

Is the Hull-C still broken or is it good enough to be used as a daily hauler?

[graceful kiln]

even if you don't experience a single bug I wouldn't recommend full-timing it, lots of tedium and waiting around

[sour folio]

Been thinking of getting the Freelancer Max for cargo hauling and trading, Would get the taraus but I hate how it looks, Freelancer gives me a western trucker vibe, But is there a solid reason to get the Taraus as my next ship instead of the Freelancer max? Apart from a better cargo hold

[graceful kiln]

Better guns too I believe, more survivable. Its the next step up from the Max basically

[ripe dove]

Did they fix the problem where you sell your cargo you get no money and the cargo is gone all because small cargo was on top of the new bigger cargo boxes?

[jovial shoal]

I notice some of the freight type ships like the caterpillar and the spirit have tractor beams. I have the C2 and I am concerned when the game releases I will not be able to do cargo since it does not have a strong tractor beam on it. I would imagine the very large containers would not be lifted by hand held tractor beams by that time. Can anyone ease my mind on this?

[graceful kiln]

There will be vehicles that you could rent/buy to help load, and even now there is a large, two-handed tractor that can lift the larger boxes.

[jovial shoal]

i was wondering about the mule, it looks so small like the large containers would tip it on its front wheels 😂

[graceful kiln]

Mule ain't likely to be the only one lol

but yeah check the two-hander tractor

[jovial shoal]

and im talking about those big containers they keep showing in the sc videos lately

[graceful kiln]

it lifts what the multitool one can't

the 32scu ones yeah I know

[jovial shoal]

I didn't know there was a 2h tractor beam, thank you

[graceful kiln]

just added with current patch

[vestal ravine]

so the old version cant lift the 32's???

[mossy radish]

cargo working for any one? cant buy drugs

[spring prism]

The Hammerhead cannot be quantum jumped with using an SRV, it says "Towing Limit" on any Quantum Marker. You also get slowly pulled to the hammerhead while the tractor beam is attached and you aren't moving. If you try to move away from the hammerhead, the hammerhead won't come with you.

[elfin rune]

2h tractor beam its ingame? where to buy?

[spare cloud]

Idk but in cargo stations I imagine 🤷

[radiant valley]

Refineries

[delicate girder]

So I heard the tons of free cargo in salvage money party got nerfed. I didn't even get in on that.

[spare cloud]

Had to be

[elfin rune]

still profitable or totally nerfed to hell?

[spare cloud]

Idk, nerfed a lot I think, but probably not to the point where you lose money

I didn't play PTU

[elfin rune]

ty

[gritty crow]

I looked on the keybindings but didnt see how I alternate salvage modes on the Vulture. Right click on the mouse now enables the tractor beam instead of my alternate heads. Anyone know?

[delicate girder]

I haven't tried it but I heard that by default one of the heads on one set is a tractor beam. From what you said I'm guessing you're switching between the sets of heads but the salvage head on the other side of the tractor beam in not on by default?

[gritty crow]

Trying to switch from Cinch to Abrade

[delicate girder]

I think that you only have one of either the Cinch or Abrade now and the other one has been replace by a tractor.

[gritty crow]

Ok was just looking at the upper right. Still shows both heads.

[delicate girder]

Sorry, I've not tried salvage since the change, but I did see a video which indicted the tractor replaced one of the four heads by default. In the same video they showed that when you were on that set of heads you could use the tractor to rotate the target while you salvaged. That looked pretty cool.

I think they also said that you could add another tractor beam or replace the tractor beam with a salvage head if you wanted.

[gritty crow]

Awesome. Thank you for the info. I will check more into it later.

[spare cloud]

B ? Maybe

[fluid nimbus]

Dose salvage cargo missions got nerfed?

[elfin rune]

ive heard it but idk how hard

[fluid nimbus]

So hard. Did multiple missions and all i get is scrap and few shit lol

[vestal ravine]

I have heard the Wake Missions will have more Vices since it is a shared mission type but not really confirmed yet. Also have not heard if the upper level Bounties have been cut back also.

[halcyon wedge]

It did but ERT's are still the same

[sonic fiber]

I found some vice on a carrack in Wake but couldn't get them out of the cargo pod

[foggy mulch]

does anybody know if cargo stacking (different types) is fixed?

[spring prism]

The biggest downside to the MaxLift Tractor Beam is the fact it is considered a weapon, and cannot be used on pads or in hangars: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/the-maxlift-tractor-beam-still-cannot-be-used-in-h/392354

[vestal ravine]

One possibilty is to detach from the cargo a bit the ones you want then go out and soft death the ship. They should be easier to get out.

[sonic fiber]

Interesting bypass. I figured I was just missing the button that opens them. Tried to maneuver them through a door but nope

[vestal ravine]

Yea someone else posted here about that idea and a friend used it to get some Weevil Egg crates out of a 890 Jump yesterday.

[wintry radish]

Hey all! I'm trying to come up with a trade route that jumps between every planetary system in Stanton so I'm not influencing item prices overly much in any one region, but rather spreading my purchases and sales around and giving time for other areas to restock. But I'm sorta running into a few snags, mostly relating to Hurston and Microtech.

Specifically, what cargo would be good to bring from Microtech to Crusader, and what should I bring from Hurston back to Microtech?

[vestal ravine]

It's a high buy in but I take Beryl from MT to Orison in a C2 for a net profit of apx. 414k...

[delicate relic]

how do I get a single scu crate to my ship if I buy it? does it work in the inventory syustem and I just transfer it? or do I ahve to carry it somehow?

[vestal ravine]

If you are buying at a terminal they load into your ship like magic.

Then go check ship

[blissful wadi]

how od I change the tractor beam mode

[sonic fiber]

Item prices don't change that I know of. Just stock levels.

[blissful wadi]

on the hand tractor beam

[graceful kiln]

Prices fluctuate, just not by very much

[delicate relic]

even if I am buying an empty scu container? I want it for trash I pickup 😛

[vestal ravine]

Ok, use the "I" key to see if it's in one the tabs/catagories if so drag it out with your mouse pointer to the floor.

[mortal swallow]

ERTs are even crazier tbh

Regularly finding 10mil+ hauls on ERTs if you're careful enough to soft death every ship.

[visual karma]

any routes look good for profit in a caterpillar these days? i have lots of capital to buy whatever.

[elfin rune]

https://uexcorp.space/trade this is still a good tool?

[tropic barn]

anyone got some good Hull C route

[spare cloud]

Could had jump points to it but they only have 500 SCU of medical stuff

[loud mural]

Does the raft have it's tractor beams now?

[delicate relic]

thanks, will give it a go and see how it works!

[weak wharf]

how do i enter tractor beam mode from within cutlass black?

[quiet fulcrum]

does someone have any recommendations to which websites i should use for player to player ship trading?

currently looking for a C1 upgrade from Avenger Titan

[graceful kiln]

Sounds like you're asking for Gray Market advice, which we don't do here

That said... it's IAE, you can just get that upgrade yourself from the store

[tall karma]

Wait for crusader day in IAE and you will probably see a better deal with CCU upgrades

[icy fulcrum]

uhm

[simple bluff]

so here is the route that a friend gave me for hull c:

Seraphim--buy helium, sell food
everus--buy iron, sell helium
baijini--buy food, sell iron/copper
tressler--buy copper, buy iron

but I cant get this one to work

[hearty wren]

Now with the whole drug salvage is nerfed how do you guys make money this patch?

[vestal ravine]

You don't unless you get into space bounties in the Yela moon area so they are in space. I am not keen on this option but players are getting big scores doing this. The prior salvage loots were for testing purposes only but I think they will bring it back later in some ratio.

[tall karma]

Uhhh, you can make money lots if ways. Just do regular cargo runs with a C2 and make 300-500k per run.

The bugged salvage loot was not the only way to get income

And no, they will never come back on purpose. CIG has stated it was meant to be a small bonus on top of the mission reward, not a way for people to make 50mil in a single evening

[vestal ravine]

I guess then the main issue with cargo runs is the much bigger cost to buy the actual cargo and or how these newer players buy the various cargo ships. I put most of my salvage drug into a Reclaimer and now have 350,000.00 in savings and that has sidelined my C2 Beryl runs for now. Mining has been radically affected by the rarity of Quant. So some of us have to adjust our cash earning expectations in many ways.

[iron rune]

Co pilot seat. I'm going to guess by entering the remote turret

[hollow sedge]

Is there a trick or work around when trying to buy cargo and it says it failed cargo transfer?

I landed on the bigger pad of the two, shop says it has the mineral in stock, so I am not sure what I am doing wrong.

[wary ruin]

Where is everyone mining at? I want to start again in my prospector but the Aaron belt no longer seems good so I want to see what everyone things are good places to mine.

[graceful kiln]

you probably want the other thread

[tough pawn]

Any good cargo ships in the 2-3mil range?

Or do I keep saving

[spare cloud]

Freelancer MAX or Constellation Taurus

[tough pawn]

Taurus better than andromeda?

Also thanks

[spare cloud]

Definitely. Taurus double the cargo hold, same firepower, just no S1 missiles, and no snub. It's not like you use the snub anyway 🤷

Also, instead of two turrets, it has only one turret but a ship tractor beam

And that's dope

[tough pawn]

Oh my I’m def going w the Taurus

I think I can rent it too

[spare cloud]

Sadly no. Only the andromeda can be rented.

On RSI day at the IAE you'll be able to rent the Taurus if you want, but only for 2 days

[tough pawn]

Welp nvm I’ll just buy it

[foggy spear]

Is the hull c still broken? And if quant mining is scarce, what would be worth the time to mine?

[spare cloud]

Any of the tier 1 ores, see the #rock-and-stone pinned messages

(green and yellow ores one the sheet)

[foggy spear]

Sorry for posting in the wrong channel for the second question, but thank you for the response.

[graceful kiln]

as for the Hull C, it still has its bugs, but the actual trading loop being tedious is by design, at the moment

so it depends what you mean by broken

[delicate girder]

Anyone know of a good up-to-date tutorial on ship scanning? I need to update my knowledge holes.

[elfin rune]

C1 cant be rented for test in the expo?

[foggy spear]

Thanks

[vestal ravine]

What I have heard people do is search for Gold, any other "Tier 1" minerals. If you want the lower tier just don't go to low the profits dimish easily.

[marsh jacinth]

its kind of a Cargo question, any of you mad lads try and fit a 125A in the C1? is it possible, i would think not, but i really want it to lol

[tall karma]

yes it can be rented

[quiet fulcrum]

Yep. got a killer deal, Warbond C1 upgrade with 120month insurance for 55eur

[quiet fulcrum]

you gotta go under the wing to rent it, hitbox is a bit special

[rugged palm]

Salvaging turrets

Bugged turret salvaging

"i'm Scared"

"I'm Scared"

Turret starts popping out of the cargo bay....

[uncut sleet]

where can Tungsten be sold

[wraith cairn]

check out the sc-trade . tools site, you can click on the "got cargo to sell" part and you can find both value and location to sell for any type of cargo you want

[spare cloud]

In simpler words, check best buyers on !tradetools ⬇️

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[uncut sleet]

yeah got it

[simple bluff]

is terra jump point permanently bugged for cargo transfer?

[shell sorrel]

When clearing clear contraband missions, i tried selling some maze as their own individual boxes and it would say Transaction cost something failed. is this intended? AND how much do the small boxes of weavil eggs go for?

[tall karma]

Weevil eggs are the highest sales items, but describe how you were storing these boxes?

[shell sorrel]

they are the same size as the jumptown maze scus

microscu

indvidual units

where can i sell them?

[tall karma]

Try a salvage yard

That's where I sell weevil eggs.

[shell sorrel]

what form were urs

cargo grid boxes?

[tall karma]

Can you stack them on grid in a cargo ship?

[shell sorrel]

no

[tall karma]

So, the potential there is that you are getting "stolen" goods flagged, which I think might only be sellable at GH and NQA terminals.

[shell sorrel]

ive tried at delvin scrap yard

im at GH rn

may try

[tall karma]

Yeah, try Admin at GH

Though weevil eggs I think can only be sold at salvage yards, at least the SCU variety

So it might not allow you to sell those anywhere in that case.

[shell sorrel]

i currently have maze

one mini box

not the cargo grid snappable one

it does say its out of stock

but that would give a different message

[elfin rune]

Respawn time of the C1?

[tall karma]

Claim time? It's like 6.5 minutes with a 2something minute expedite

6m 45s
Expedite
2m 15s
Expedite fee
3,375 aUEC```

Straight off the wiki.

[serene briar]

Anyone able to help when I press submit nothing happens

[wraith ice]

oh so quant is really rare now?

[earnest hornet]

hmm. sc trade tools doesnt have an entry for the C1 on the site

making this difficult to find a trade route..

what ship is comparable in SCU cap to the C1?

[graceful kiln]

Just use your brain a bit. The thing has 64scu cargo

[verbal cargo]

Hull A

[earnest hornet]

ty

[simple bluff]

can orison buy copper and rmc off a hull c?

[nimble sable]

yes just need to go to TDD

next to the hospital