industrial-professions

[swift flint]

i.e. - store the ship, then sell

[hasty stump]

Yeah. I had to store mine to sell my salvage, but doing that also gave me the stuck cargo grid thing. Couldn't snap things to it

[chrome pasture]

btw sorry if i ask again but do you have a tool to see trade routes etc? (If that is "legal")

[hasty stump]

Before logging off I drove my vulture face first into New Babbage doing 250m/s though, so hopefully that fixes it

[swift flint]

https://sc-trade.tools/

[chrome pasture]

Thanks : )

[jovial matrix]

When I sold at new babbage I didn’t have to store my ship, haven’t tried elsewhere though

And I wouldn’t reccomend grimhex for selling since you get about 17k less than selling at a TDD

[swift flint]

should be the same everywhere

[swift flint]

it's a station for scum so they give you scum prices

[jovial matrix]

Sorry thought you were responding to the second message

[jovial matrix]

Not as scum as the scrapyards, those give you 27k~ less

[swift flint]

lol yeah, makes sense

[jovial matrix]

I still gotta try selling at one of the drug labs, and maybe the secret terminal at CRU-L5(?)

[swift flint]

you still talking about salvaged stuff?

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

[swift flint]

you can sell it there as well?

I thought those were for illegal shit only

[jovial matrix]

I don’t know if you can sell it there, I wanna see if you can

[swift flint]

ping me when you find out

[chrome pasture]

i'm still thinking if i want to try also Mining and Cargo, to see the best in term of money but also which i like more. I saw that with the MOLE you can make almost Half a Million with a half cargo of quantenium?

[pliant matrix]

in term of money it's mining 100%

[chrome pasture]

Mining of everything or a particulary ore?

[swift flint]

quantanium is the shit

[chrome pasture]

you mean its bad?

[swift flint]

no, it's THE ore to mine

others are profitable as well, just not as much as quant

[chrome pasture]

ohh that, i imagine being rare? Like to find good rocks with a good % of it?

[swift flint]

I know that gem mining is also profitable. I'm just not sure if it's better than quant

[swift flint]

yeah, you have to find rocks that are a certain percentage and mass

but that's for a prospector

because you want to fill it from one rock

so a rock too small will not fill the ship and you won't make as much profit

but a rock too big you won't be able to split

[chrome pasture]

i was watching a recent video where it was said that you could also theoretically use the MOLE alone?

[pliant matrix]

it's not theoretically. You can. you just have to switch from pilot to mining seat all the time. waste of time imo

[ivory gust]

Not at all a waste of time if you like money. The 96 SCU capacity makes it worth it

[limpid badge]

Anyone scrap an idris yet in a reclaimer?

How much can you make in PTU running Idris beacons and then salvaging it after?

[pliant matrix]

mining comfy into my bed xD

[limpid badge]

How fast can you consistantly fill one up though? If you know what you're doing, you can comfortably make 3 full prospector trips per ~2 hours on average in the Halo, which includes travel time and running up to the refinery.

[pastel flame]

Not much since that shit takes forever. Stick to valks.

[limpid badge]

Not solo, in a group. Get 6 guys together in a redeemer and a reclaimer and you can get some nonstop salvage going.

i'm more wondering how much scrap an idris can even produce and what the total value would be.

[ivory gust]

I shall submit my reply in the form of an image:

Any time you've had to go back to the refinery in your Prospector because you were full at 32 SCU, and there was still quantanium in chunks on the field...is a time that the MOLE would have been beneficial.

[limpid badge]

I asked how long it takes on average

[ivory gust]

You don't (and can't) typically aim for filling up like that. Each trip in the MOLE is just like a Prospector trip, and takes about as long. You find one good rock or a cluster, break them, extract them, head back to the refinery.

The difference is that in the MOLE you don't have to stop at 32 SCU extracted and can keep going up to 96, which means you're leaving less behind.

My typical trip was ~40-50 SCU in about 30min.

[limpid badge]

operating a mole is way slower, i highly doubt that

[swift flint]

there's still a timer for quant, right?

[ivory gust]

Yes

[limpid badge]

imma need video proof of that

[ivory gust]

Hardly "way" slower. The laser is the same (longer range but that doesn't matter).

You add ~1min of overhead per trip getting to and from the turret, which is largely negligible. You can't scan effectively in the Halo in the MOLE, which is why I typically went to Lyria.

[ivory gust]

There are plenty of videos of people solo mining in the MOLE.

[limpid badge]

none of them show 30 minute round trips though

they're always multi hour trips, editted down.

Nobody is doing 30 minute round trips in a mole.

[ivory gust]

I'm not going to make a video for you. The only difference between the MOLE and the Prospector is that 1min overhead to get down to the turret, which you only need to do once. So take your average trip duration in a prospector, add 1min, there's the duration for that same trip in the MOLE.

[limpid badge]

They don't handle anywhere near the same. You can fly and scan much faster in a prospector.

I've flown both.

[ivory gust]

In the Halo, yes, the Prospector has the advantage for scanning. On Lyria it doesn't matter because you don't have to scan while flying, you're just looking for clusters.

The MOLE is definitely not a straight upgrade for a solo player, I agree. It's a side grade where you make your life harder for scanning but get the ability to keep extracting instead of stopping at 32 SCU. For me it was worth it.

[limpid badge]

it's like 10-15 minutes just to take off, quantum there, quantum back, and land, after.

[ivory gust]

Exactly the same as the Prospector.

[limpid badge]

halo is less travel time, and more time for searching

how are you finding cluster on lyria and harvesting them in 15-20 min?

[ivory gust]

Ehhhh it's about the same travel time, Halo is farther away from the station but you only need to make one hop

[ivory gust]

Because you can cruise along at 200-300m/s pinging repeatedly and looking for clusters?

Then once you find one it only takes a few minutes to finish it

[limpid badge]

i don't really believe you.

[ivory gust]

That's nice.

[limpid badge]

if you posted that on youtube it'd be a world record

[ivory gust]

Sorry for trying to answer your question, then.

[limpid badge]

Lyria is just worse than the HALO to start with, so if you're going there at all in any ship it's going to be less money per hour.

[ivory gust]

...wat

Lyria is way better than the Halo. Fewer unscannables and you can get the nice big juicy rocks that will give you upwards of 40 SCU each

[limpid badge]

You can get large rocks and clusters in the HALO too, and none of it falls through the earth when you crack them.

and you just have to move on and ignore the unscannable ones. people waste too much time trying to mess with them.

[ivory gust]

You cannot. Rocks in the Halo have a maximum mass of 5200.

[limpid badge]

yea, but you'll get a dozen + sometimes

maybe not big individual ones, but big clusters.

[ivory gust]

Sure, and you can get those clusters on Lyria too.

In any case, believe what you want. If you don't like MOLE mining that's fine, stick to Prospector. As I said, it's not a direct upgrade for solo, it's a sidegrade, but it does have advantages.

For me, the thing that made me switch is I started paying attention to how often I was leaving quant behind in the Prospector. It was almost every trip where there was quant left on the field and I had to go back because I was full. That made the MOLE worth it for me.

[limpid badge]

I'm not trying to piss on your ship, it's just objectively worse for solo. I like it too, and don't always care about min maxxing.

[limpid badge]

interesting you say that, in the current PTU you can use delivery boxes as quantum markers

[ivory gust]

It is absolutely not objectively worse for solo. It has some advantages and some disadvantages.

[limpid badge]

with persistence in place, you can use boxes to return to clusters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJlcx2HW2CM&list=LL&index=16&t=2s

Check it out, this actually buffs solo mining even more now.

[ivory gust]

Useful to know, thanks. You could use delivery boxes to mark clusters before but you'd have to get to them manually

[pastel flame]

I guess, but then you're trying to make profit for 6. I'd be curious about an Idris too, I'd bet you could fill a couple vultures anyway but haven't tried myself

[pliant matrix]

Made around half a 890J with my vulture (16scu) so yeah couple vulture at least for Idris

[pastel flame]

He's 100% right and Lyria is way better than halo, on top of the other reasons you can remain at an altitude that filters out ROC mineables

The only time I go to halo is if I don't want to worry about pirates

I don't solo MOLE but the hassle is the reason, not profitability

[limpid badge]

I'll believe it when I see it in a youtube video.

[pastel flame]

They're out there

I link videos to prove a lot of shit like this, but I don't like the quantanium meta and do it minimally.

[limpid badge]

If you've got a link to a specific video, please share it. Everything I've seen is heavily edited and theoretical.

You can find Prospector runs start to finish in 30 min, but nothing like that for the MOLE. It's all just theorycrafting, and in practice you average out below a prospector for solo.

[limpid badge]

hot damn, it's like 200+ scu at the fastest setting https://youtu.be/vIs1JH7C3go?t=312

[ivory gust]

You absolutely do not, but you've made up your mind so 🤷

From personal experience, the MOLE definitely makes more than a Prospector in terms of time investment, even solo.

I don't know why you think the MOLE will need significantly longer runs than a Prospector when on Lyria. The only overhead is moving to the turret. I mean, sure, it takes longer to extract more than 32 SCU...but that's all money.

[limpid badge]

I'm just saying, if it's so much better, there should be some tangible proof of it. People online are always overstating and exageratting things.

[ivory gust]

I've never said it's "so much better" and in fact I've consistently said it's a sidegrade due to its disadvantages.

It's frustrating to use and buggy, but if you can put up with that, you can make more money.

[limpid badge]

I'm gonna be doing salvage in 3.18 anyway

[pastel flame]

Haha, awesome. Certainly something to try!

[ivory gust]

I'm also still curious as to where you think all the extra time is coming from.

Boarding the ship: Prospector wins by like 30 seconds. Whoopee.
**Travel time from station to Lyria: **MOLE wins because it has an S2 QD, by ~30sec
**Scanning for clusters: **They're about the same because you don't need mining mode to scan on Lyria, you're just looking for clusters. Maybe small advantage to Prospector due to better maneuverability but I've never found the MOLE to be particularly bad.
Moving to mining seat: Obviously MOLE loses here, but it's only ~30seconds
**Mining and extracting: **Exactly the same for the same amount of ore extracted. The only way the MOLE takes longer is if you're extracting more...in which case you're making more money.
**Moving back to pilot seat: ** Again, 30 second loss for MOLE
Travel time to station from Lyria: MOLE wins due to S2 QD by ~30sec
Landing: Exactly the same since you're getting impounded anyway.

Where, in your head, does all the extra time come from? Seems to me that it's largely a wash, and any extra time per trip on the MOLE is because you're mining/extracting more, so you're winning compared to the Prospector there in terms of time per money.

Sure, so maybe your average MOLE trip is 40minutes instead of 30, but you're averaging more quant in that time anyway

[limpid badge]

if we had some unedited runs put up on youtube, we could compare. But there's a severe lack of those.

[ivory gust]

Answer the question.

[limpid badge]

make me

[ivory gust]

Right so you're just set in your beliefs and don't actually have any real reason for them. Got it.

There aren't a lot of unedited prospector runs on youtube either, because most people don't want to watch 30 minutes of mostly nothing.

It's a super simple question. You claim the MOLE will take a lot longer than the Prospector. Where does that time come from.

[limpid badge]

my own attempts coupled with everything I've watched online, which is a lot.

[ivory gust]

Halo or Lyria?

[limpid badge]

both

[ivory gust]

Because yes, MOLE is shit in the Halo.

[limpid badge]

I've mined tens of millions of credits in quantanium

[ivory gust]

Sure, so have I, nbd

[pastel flame]

Ya the only time someone requests these is in an argument :/

[ivory gust]

I mean, you also think Lyria is worse than the Halo, so 🤷

[limpid badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOzgoqav50M

I'm open to having my mind changed, but I'll need video proof.

[ivory gust]

Come back a few months after 3.18 when I'll have a MOLE again...I'm not going to go do that now just to win an internet argument 🙂

[limpid badge]

You can ping me when you do, I would watch it for sure.

[north oyster]

Just have fun

[rose cove]

Do they not show astroid type anymore?

Can we still use mass as an indicator?

[ivory gust]

They do, in mining mode

[rose cove]

Oh well that's only good up close.

At range what am I looking for?

[ivory gust]

No, in space it's usable up to 12km.

[rose cove]

Really?

Thats wild

[ivory gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz8TOCUa0Ms

[rose cove]

Does that render V scanning pointless?

[ivory gust]

Yes, V scanning is pointless in a prospector.

V is only needed when scanning in a seat that doesn't have mining mode, like the pilot's seat of a MOLE or when you're a non-mining scout ship

[formal falcon]

i need three people a pilot and 2 turrent miners an a coppilot

[hasty stump]

What the actual hell discord

[torn mulch]

That’s 4 people

[ivory gust]

You absolutely don't.

Pilot and two dedicated miners. When mining the pilot switches to the center turret. No copilot needed

[vital juniper]

What's the best planet for boxes?

[hasty stump]

Ah goddammit game...

I just wanna salvage, stop doing this no extraction bullshit

[velvet totem]

Drake mining ship, when?

[ivory gust]

Mining Drake ships is called "salvage"

[velvet totem]

boo

I love how the Vulture and Mule look. Would be cool to see their version of a mining ship aesthetically

[hasty stump]

I'm curious what an Argo salvager would look like

I love Argos whole deal

[velvet totem]

ARGO is also amazing

just wish they had a yellow skin

for the MOLE

[ivory gust]

Yeah, I'd be more interested in this than a Drake miner. Argo's industrial aesthetic is great

[misty coyote]

Argo aesthetic is king

[vestal ravine]

Landing with Quantanium work around...See/read image posting...

[ivory gust]

Or just get impounded?

Not sure why you'd risk a landing at all given the bugs

[vestal ravine]

Yes, that's true this is just another option in our toolkit. I'll experiment with this in 3.18 plus the autoland which I have new details on.

[ivory gust]

I will never trust autoland after it nearly destroyed my freelancer max once

[rose cove]

<sigh> Is there really no workaround for unscannable rocks?

[fierce geyser]

i saw a video where the dude left his ship, landed on the rock and then got back in his ship.

scan worked after that

[rose cove]

I found a cluster of 7 QT rocks so I'm kind of... losing my mind.

yeah even trying to place a device on, says its not placed on something it can detect. Abandoning.

Big sad

[ivory gust]

They're not QT rocks, they're unscannable.

If you're in the asteroid belt, you shouldn't have even flown up to them, you can see they're unscannable from 12km away.

If you're on a moon or planet, I recommend switching servers, since that's usually an indicator the server is having issues.

[rose cove]

I happened to be near them scanning another rock, and saw the red.

There was a lone QT rock near them, but it was only 10%.

Context bro

4 unscannables in a row. Time to jump elsewhere.

[swift flint]

i think this is supposed to get fixed wiht 3.18

I really hope it is because the unscannable rock thing made me quit mining real quick

[ivory gust]

At least of a month ago it didn't look good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lmPis7AzfU

[swift flint]

a monh ago it was in the known issues list

so hopefully they either got around or will get around to fixing it

[ivory gust]

As of two weeks ago, still unscannables in 3.18 PTU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOzgoqav50M

So yeah, looks like 3.18 won't save us from that

[hollow sedge]

What exactly is the Aaron Halo?

[little stratus]

its an asteroid belt with a lotta quant to mine

and you are functionally immune from PVP or pirates while mining because it's so big and has no QT marker

[hollow sedge]

I haven't tried mining yet.

Well, Quant mining

I've done some ROC mining

[vital juniper]

Where would I sell something like slam?

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[pliant matrix]

I found a spot to salvage with two C2 and one 890 last night. Felt so frustrated to not be able to grab more than half a 890 with vulture 😩

[swift flint]

that's why you get a crew with a reclaimer

[ionic dawn]

Best to crew only if fast enough but the reclaimer is also very bugged.

Not only the back elevator is weird. The right salvaging tool doesn’t work sometimes and right cockpit is bugged.

[pliant matrix]

I might team up with a cargo more than going into reclaimer band actually. or else it's as scout snub eventually

I heard reclaimer can make 3mil for a full run. But split into a team of 4-5 (so 600-750k) and considering how much time it takes to fill it up I'm not sure it's worth it

[cobalt blaze]

Hello, so I was using SC tradetools to check prices for medical supplies. Why it's more profitable to sell in Area18 than Hurston? despite shorter distance and similar buying/selling prices?
I dont think train ride does too much to reduce the 2000/min to 1477/min in hurston?

I want to avoid Area18 for cargo missions since I often CTD or 30k when I do and lose my cargo.

[ivory gust]

2000/min or 1447/min isn't the profit, that's the available demand and how much it increases (estimated). Profit is listed in UEC or UEC/min.

[cobalt blaze]

wasnt showing for lorville, only area18

[ivory gust]

Area 18 has a maximum demand of 50,000 units of medical supplies shared across all servers, and it increases by 2,000 a minute.

[ivory gust]

If it wasn't showing for Lorville then how did you get the 1447 number?

It shows both for me

[cobalt blaze]

Lorville didnt take all of my cargo, I was using the commodities section since it wont show on trade routes

[ivory gust]

Yes, demand for medical supplies is very low, it's not a recommended thing to trade.

It shows on trade routes if you have the settings correct.

But yeah, the 2000 or 1447 on the commodities view (in the inventory column) is demand or supply. The commodities view can't know profit

The reason it may not show on the routes is that it may be taking the demand into account and not indicating that as a recommended route due to the issue you ran into

[cobalt blaze]

i had c2, max money, med supplies for only selection for commodities

[ivory gust]

For a C2 you don't want to be trading med supplies, you want to do laranite/titanium

Buy all available laranite, fill the rest of your hold with titanium, then go sell

[cobalt blaze]

I wanted to try something different, I thought med was somewhat profitable

laranite is pretty scarce

[ivory gust]

Also well now that's interesting, the trade tools site shows no results for C2 medical supplies if I say 8M UEC, but does show routes if I say 800,000

[ivory gust]

Yes, that's why you fill the rest of your hold with titanium.

[ivory gust]

It is profitable per unit but not in C2 quantities due to limited demand.

[cobalt blaze]

cheers for that

[rose cove]

Is there a way to just blow away inert rock fragments? I thought I saw a YouTuber do that to make his mining area more tidy.

[vestal ravine]

Hello, I've got cheat sheets for most of the Vice trades if you are interested. If you work with some of the advanced modes it is quite profitable.

[misty coyote]

Just overcharge them.... You'd need to be a bit further away

[elder fulcrum]

Fuck yeah

[bronze oar]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[karmic vigil]

Hey guys. I was at Arial and took my ROC out to do some mining and then I started to take photos around the area for like an hour. I got back on the ROC and the engine was fried. it would work for a few seconds then die again. Does the heat fry ROC vehicles?

[torn mulch]

Yes

[karmic vigil]

Yikes

[thin escarp]

@karmic vigil you only have so much time using that roc before it craps out

[blissful rain]

Can we separate cargo mining and salvage on its own channels?

[pastel flame]

Almost that time eh? Lots of crossover right now but salvage does muddy the waters a bit!

[blissful rain]

What next when engineer gameplay comes in? Add it to this chat also?

[pastel flame]

Indeed, where do they draw the line!

[torn mulch]

Agree, salvage is going to be a big topic of discussion going forward and may well bury other content in this channel.

[ivory gust]

Should be a whole separate "industry" section with individual channels for cargo, mining, etc

[blissful rain]

Especially when 3.18 drops

[torn mulch]

Do we mention mods or is there a suggestions or feedback bot?

[blissful rain]

@bitter glade make it happen!

Or @hollow peak

[hollow peak]

If you want to request something like this, please message modmail.

[rich python]

Odd person to tag for that

[pastel flame]

500i when

[bitter jungle]

hey guys - I just managed to scrounge up enough money to rent a prospector. I am in an asteroid field and Iam trying to scan things by lowering the scan angle to 2° and pointing my crosshair at the scanable object - but the "scan results" window in the cockpit hud remains empty

I was told that some rocks may not be scanable but I have been at it for several minutes and never got any results there, am I missing something ?

[zinc ledge]

Press m for mining mode, it willl auto scan a rock withing ~200... if no scan move on to next box .. not all rocks will scan

[ivory gust]

Need to be in mining mode

[bitter jungle]

I am

[ivory gust]

Then that's an unscannable, if it was within 12km

Also don't rent a Prospector

[zinc ledge]

but im a prospector O.o

[ivory gust]

Waste of money, better off renting roc+cutlass for mining

[hollow sedge]

is there a way to move the beam when you salvage?

[ivory gust]

Are you pinging again with tab while at 2 degrees and pointed at the result?

[bitter jungle]

yes I am..

[zinc ledge]

180 degree

more results

[ivory gust]

... No

You seem to not understand how active angle ping works, octopus

Ping at 180 or 360 to see all the results.

Be in mining mode.

Adjust angle down to 2, point crosshair at result, ping again. You'll see asteroid type in the display, or nothing if it's unscannable.

Doesn't work on moons/planets, only in space. Also may be different on PTU

[zinc ledge]

meh

[ivory gust]

If everything is unscannable, either warp a few hundred km or switch servers by bedlogging.

Also, since you're a rented Prospector and can't mine Quant anyway, can always just fly up to asteroids to see details since the purpose off the active angle ping is to find Q-types more easily... Which isn't useful in a rental

[bitter jungle]

thanks so much - switching servers fixed it

[ivory gust]

Np, it's going to suck in 3.18 when we can't easily switch off of a busted server

[cobalt blaze]

does defender fit in 890j?

[blissful rain]

Thought he was a mod

[ivory gust]

Tagging random mods is literally against the rules iirc

[bitter jungle]

thanks so much for all the help guys - just managed to land my first load of quant because of you 🙂 now I only need 3 hours or so to calm my heart rate a little

hmm this is wierd, I can't select ore to sell - but I can chose my ore to be refined

[ivory gust]

The direct selling terminals are slightly broken currently

You'll need to refine it, and then you'll have to haul it to a major city to sell (using a ship with enough normal cargo to carry it)

[bitter jungle]

yeah I will worry about that in a day and 16 hours I guess 🙂 once my prospector renting has run it's course I will try to figur out which hauler I need to rent

hopefully I can manage to get some more loads in until then

[ivory gust]

You can rent a cutlass black from the refinery deck for 35k-ish, it has 46 SCU of space

Note that you can't do a partial delivery of a refinery order, it's all or nothing

[bitter jungle]

think I will need more than that

if the terminals for ore sales would not have been bugged, could I have sold my quartz before I put in the refinery job ?

[blissful rain]

Jesus, hold ya pants up and chill

[bitter jungle]

pretty sure I only collected 100% quant bits back there, but my cargo hold just claimed to contain mainly inert materials and barely any quant - I hope that was a bug ?

is there any way I can view my cargo while piloting ?

lucky - that was just a bug, it seems. As I was still mining it showed my containers consisting of majorly intert materials, but it was almost all quant when I was back at the refinery

[ivory gust]

Mining mode shows your cargo

[ivory gust]

That was a display bug, when you're out mining it sometimes shows quant turning into inert. It'll be fine when you get to the refinery.

However, when you get back to the station, if you land in a hangar you can trigger other bugs that turn the quant inert. Safe bet is to not call ATC, float up to a closed hangar door, then wait for impound. If you don't see the impound message in about 30 seconds, try a different hangar

[bitter jungle]

wow - whomever figured that one out! I am in the same situation now and will try to use that

[ivory gust]

if your stuff has already turned inert it's too late

[bitter jungle]

not sure how I can tell, last time it showed inert and was all quant in the refinery

[ivory gust]

safe bet is never land, always impound

[bitter jungle]

but don't I die if Iam impounded while my vehicle is outside the door ?

will have to try that again next time - didn't manage an impound warning and the clock kept ticking, so I was forced to request landing

licking at the closed hangar didn't do it

[ivory gust]

No, you're teleported inside to the ASOP terminals

[bitter jungle]

lucky - all quant and barely inerts

[ivory gust]

Like I said, if the impound warning doesn't show up, try a different hangar

[bitter jungle]

if I get better and have a little more time to play around with at returning I will get back to that =p

[ivory gust]

you can also shut your engines off (i key) while floating outside waiting for impound to avoid the "ship spawns above hangar floor" bug

Should have plenty of time when you get back--don't start extracting until you've fully broken down the rock into all the chunks you're going to extract, then extract everything, then head back. Should have easily 5+ minutes left

[ivory gust]

This is in a rented prospector?

[bitter jungle]

I am aware, trying my best - but I started this 3 days ago flying and moving IS still difficult for me =p

yes it's rented

[ivory gust]

Impressive, what method are you using to mine? General consensus is that mining quant in a rented prospector is very difficult

[bitter jungle]

it is f'in difficult if you ask me!

but I just completed my third run so I have been lucky so far

there are different methods to mine ?

[ivory gust]

As far as using gadgets or similar, if you're doing this with just the rented Prospector's mining head and nothing else, you're going to be a pro when you get the proper equipment

[bitter jungle]

ah ! well I did buy a mining head, don't remember the name but it was around 20k

[ivory gust]

Oh interesting, you're not supposed to be able to switch the equipment on rented ships

Just make sure you pull the mining head off the ship before the rental ends (and put the old one back on) so you don't lose the good one you bought

[bitter jungle]

guess it's a good thing I didn't know that

the switch didn't work all that great, while it surely is equipped, it's also still sitting in my local inventory

[errant cradle]

About to rework this category so don't get confused

[rich python]

you got what you wanted

kind of

[errant cradle]

Still not sure why grag was pinged lol

[rich python]

lol ikr

[ivory gust]

Thanks, can you go back through the last couple years of history and sort out posts into the right new channel?

Thanks!

(kidding BTW)

[bitter jungle]

just got 30ked and now I can't get back in

[still sleet]

Is it just me, or does the quant timer start beeping a couple of minutes earlier in the PTU than in LIVE? I swear I can exit my ship at the ten minute mark on LIVE with no beeping. But on the PTU it starts about eight minutes.

[blissful rain]

Thanks!

[still sleet]

Or maybe the space/time continuum is faster in the PTU…

[bitter jungle]

Any suggestions about which ship to rent to haul full prospector quant loads ?

[wary thicket]

cargo and hauling

[torn mulch]

Cutlass black

[vestal ravine]

Was in the game and someone said selling Revenant Pod can boost Laranite by 5 scu can such things be true? If so do all trade goods have a companion product to do this?

[ivory gust]

(copy/pasted from an earlier post)

If you're renting, Cutlass can carry 46 SCU (4600 units), and can be rented at the refinery itself. Freelancer 66 SCU and Andromeda 96 SCU, can be rented on some planets.

Long term, you'll probably want to buy your own hauler.

Worthwhile purchasing options:
Argo RAFT: 96 SCU, 1.9M aUEC
MISC Freelancer MAX: 120 SCU, 2.2M aUEC
RSI Constellation Taurus: 174 SCU, 3.3M aUEC
Drake Caterpillar: 564 SCU, 4.7M aUEC
Crusader C2 Hercules Starlifter: 696 SCU, 4.9M aUEC

[bitter jungle]

Thanks so much 🙂

[little stratus]

Cat has 576 iirc

[vestal ravine]

I was told in SC chat that Revenant Pods can be sold at a terminal where you can also buy Laranite and that process can boost the sales by “5 scu” for the next Laranite purchase.

I know the Revenant Pods (purple color) are found on trees on Aberdeen and that Altrucoxin is made from the powder. How Laranite is mixed in with this I have no idea.

Anyhow I am looking for partners to test this theory by units of 10 “pods”.

Here's one way to test this out:

Trader A goes to the station and buys all Laranite.
They wait 12 minutes then buy all Laranite again.
Wait 12 more minutes then sell 10 units of the Pods. Buy all Laranite and record the results from the 3 processes.

Trader B will do the same thing except use 20
units.

If we can determine it seems to help trigger MORE Laranite availability up to the Max. then it may be useful to earn money.

We can also see if it helps Altrucoxin sales at a later date.

To sign up please DM me or if you know more about this let us know please.

Thanks,
wildbill999
2-20-2023

[vestal ravine]

I just got back from Aberdeen no sign of the Revenant pods. The trees are all dead for one thing. There are smaller weeds and shrubs but not much else. Either they are very rare or the server is not spawning them. Someone said they are around the "Stations". So I went to Anderson no luck. If some can find some with proof I pay you 250K...

[bronze oar]

u can just go to like the outpost and loot the white boxes, sometimes revenant pods spawn in them

[bitter jungle]

what are they used for ?

[vestal ravine]

Thanks! I was able to get over 20 pods from 2 refill cycles so I wont have a problem getting 30 to run the first test cycle. Still no idea if these can be found in the wild.

[vestal ravine]

Allegedly to make Altrucoxin but the guy in chat said it helped him boost a Laranite purchase by 5 scu. Also 3 ingredients can be used to boost Medical Supply but the time involved in getting 3 harvestables made the effort unworthy. In this case I only need one item.

[bitter jungle]

wow! how does it help him boost in that way, do you just sell them to the same npc ?

[vestal ravine]

The next quote is from a guy named "The Commodore - Rolanders" ...I don’t know if it still does but at one point u could get meds supplies to refresh quicker if u brought chlorine and Florine and something else can’t remember
[9:38 PM]
Booze maybe not sure I just remember it took 3 different things wasn’t really worth it because as it only increased by 5-9 scu

[vestal ravine]

You sell at the trade terminal then let that get absorbed into the "Quanta" system then the little elves have more raw materials to make more Laranite. When all this is fleshed out in a few years it will simulate how real world production works.

[bitter jungle]

thats pretty cool

how much time are we talking for the absorption, seconds or hours ?

[vestal ravine]

It's hard to judge results. One time I was able to buy more SLAM on the second cycle that the first why was that? Just weird luck??

[vestal ravine]

I am going with the normal resupply wait period of 12 minutes ...

[bitter jungle]

I guess you also can't know if it was your contributation or some guys from yesterday 🙂

[vestal ravine]

I will get the best test I can is all I can say. We know the more you buy the less there is after the wait period. At least with the more valuable trade items.

https://uexcorp.space/commodities:RPOD

[bitter jungle]

thanks for that

[vestal ravine]

I just compared the buy locations for Laranite and the sell locations for Revenant Pods. There is no one terminal that does both of these. So that guy in chat must of made a BS comment. This ruins the whole experiment. Massive Bummer.

[ivory gust]

Because someone else bought some of the first cycle, and you got to the second before anyone else

I'd be more inclined to think that selling anything causes the supply to refresh/update immediately, rather than actually making more

E.g., a given location makes 2000 units/minute of something, but normally you only see updates once every 5 minutes or so:
T0: 0 units (just bought)
T+5min: 10000 units

But when you sell something, it refreshes what's currently available:
T0: 0 units (just bought)
T+1min: sell something
T+1.5min: 3000 units (you buy them)
T+5min: 7000 units

[bitter jungle]

I just found a whole lot of them in the hydroponics-farms crates on celin

[reef smelt]

Does anyone know a highly profitable and legal trade route?

[ivory gust]

There are no highly profitable trade routes in game currently.

Use !tradetools to find mildly profitable ones.

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[vestal ravine]

Thanks for keeping an eye out! I do have 30 now at NBIS and can run the test buy/sell with both my characters in the game.

[vestal ravine]

Hello. What size cargo ship do you have? There are several ways to boost the higher tier items but I have been concentrating on the Vice runs you do not gain a crime stat to have them but the buy and sell places are not at armistice zones. (Not counting Grim Hex or the L area No Questions asked terminals) Vice is very profitable but an expensive buy in. I can DM you more info if you want.

[ivory gust]

Man asks for legal trade routes and you're trying to turn him into a drug dealer, lol

[little stratus]

trade mostly sucks balls right now, the most profitable shit that's legal and purchasable in bulk is Titanium from mining outposts on moons

profit of about 120k for an investment of a C2 and 500k for the goods

[vestal ravine]

Looks like he's wearing a Sith mask from Knights of the Old Republic. He MIGHT like Vice. I can get him an A2 filled with Vice over two or three twin sessions a 800K investment with a return of 1.8 million.

[ivory gust]

And it'll only take five days to dump it all, and you can't use the ship in the meantime

[reef smelt]

im jus t using a titan but will prabaly rent a larger ship

[reef smelt]

ok thanks for the info

[vestal ravine]

It's okay, ANY ship will make a profit.

[torn mulch]

As long as you can make 5 uninterrupted runs, always selling your cargo, otherwise you’re in the hole lol!

[ivory gust]

Sure, any ship can technically make a profit, but smaller ships like the titan will make a lot less from hauling (for time invested) than anything else

[bright horizon]

Does anyone know if the Constellation Taurus secret cargo actually works by hiding the contents inside?

[torn mulch]

Afaik it does not. It’s also annoying to load. Things into.

[tranquil oyster]

Can guns/ammo you find not be sold to weapons vendors?

[toxic citrus]

I believe so, yes.

[tranquil oyster]

relog fixed it. Thanks @toxic citrus

[tight latch]

hey does anyone know if the retaliator is any good and will someone help me keep a sharp eye for when it becomes avaible to test again or whatever

dm me with answers to this question

[urban zodiac]

Does any one have good cargo ship under 1 mil?

[limber nexus]

Hey all, not sure if this is the right channel for this question..but is it possible to allow friends to access a ships inventory?

[urban zodiac]

I think so

[honest elk]

Friends can access their own "instance" of inventory in your ship, but it is not a shared inventory. (In the PU at least)

If you put things in there it doesn't let them see it. If they put things in there you can't see it

[ivory gust]

Some ships have closets or cabinets you can access with storage and I believe those are shared

[ivory gust]

The only option for "cargo" under 1mil currently is the Nomad. It's only 24 SCU, not really enough to make good money trading.

[regal wind]

Is it available ingame 3.18 and can use it?

Like in terminals

[ivory gust]

Yes

[regal wind]

Ingame If i buy it with auec

[ivory gust]

Yes

[regal wind]

Some ships aint showing up

3.18

[ivory gust]

There are multiple places to buy ships. Not all ships are sold everywhere.

[regal wind]

Ik armondo

I bought nomad 2 patches Ago couldnt spawn it didnt showed in terminal

Now am afraid its same

[ivory gust]

You were probably at a ground vehicle terminal, then.

[regal wind]

Area 18 terminal

[ivory gust]

No idea. Never seen that issue.

[regal wind]

Ima try buy nomad and see

[regal wind]

U can buy ships ingame and use them 3.18

[ivory gust]

I don't play PTU, so I haven't tried, but I know people have

I bought nomad in game in Live since the last wipe and it works fine

[regal wind]

I was talking abt ptu xD

[regal wind]

Yeah live all working

[ivory gust]

Consider using the #4-8-0-live channel for PTU related things

[tough apex]

How do I access the jumptown mission?

[ivory gust]

Is jumptown active?

Jumptown missions are only available when the Jumptown event is running, which it currently isn't.

[unique anvil]

You can make your own jumptown, just without the cargo and trading

[sick phoenix]

how profitable is trading? because i may consider it as an alternative money making method to mining...

i looked at it once and it seemed like small profits compared to investment

but i'm not sure if that's me being uninformed or something else

[ivory gust]

Nope, that's accurate. Risk 1M, profit only 150-200k.

[sick phoenix]

😔

[ivory gust]

You need one of the biggest ships (C2 or Caterpillar) in order for trading to be good money making, and it's still well behind mining or bounty hunting

[sick phoenix]

fair enough. i'm just trying to consider my early money investments as i laid out in #rock-and-stone

i like the freelancer max as an option but i'm not sure if i wanted to spend my dollarydoos on a prospector first or the max

(at the end of the day i will have both)

[ivory gust]

prospector first

You can always rent a hauler to take the ore to sell it, but renting a prospector isn't as useful

[sick phoenix]

yeah renting a prospector doesn't do much

since you can't fit the lasers

among other things

it was just a matter of "do i want to keep roc mining and maybe open up hauling" or "do i go straight to quant"

and now that i think about it again the quant money is no doubt worth it

[ivory gust]

yeah, if you're just after money, rent cutlass + ROC for a few days to get the 2.1M for prospector, then buy prospector and do quant (renting cutlass or freelancer or andromeda to deliver) until you can buy something for deliveries

In 3.18 we'll also be able to buy the Hull A for about the same price as a cutlass for delivering quant

[sick phoenix]

personally as long as it's better than a cutty black's hold

i would hella love to deliver two orders at a time

[regal wind]

Hull a is 1,3 mil

[ivory gust]

Not bad, although base freelancer has more cargo (66 vs 64) for only 300k more

Other hauling options:
Argo RAFT: 96 SCU, 1.9M aUEC
MISC Freelancer MAX: 120 SCU, 2.2M aUEC
RSI Constellation Taurus: 174 SCU, 3.3M aUEC
Drake Caterpillar: 564 SCU, 4.7M aUEC
Crusader C2 Hercules Starlifter: 696 SCU, 4.9M aUEC

Hull A should've been 1.2M imo since it's only able to do hauling

[sick phoenix]

the max is prolly my buy

though i would love to rent a freelancer but i guess the cutty black has versatility privilege

[ivory gust]

Cutlass black is also rented from the refinery itself, so you save a trip to go pick it up. IMO there's little reason to rent a Freelancer for hauling ore... If you have a lot of loads to haul you're better off with the Andromeda, if you only have a few you're better off with the cutlass

I've been meaning to make a graph that charts usefulness of rentals for ore hauling but haven't gotten around to it

[vestal ravine]

Keep in mind the special events in 3.18 to earn extra space bucks especially 9 Tails and Xenothreat. These are easier than JT and Siege.

[sick phoenix]

this would be Really Useful with a wipe actually seeming like it will be soon

if ptu feedback is anything to go off of

[tight latch]

can the mustang aplha get around easliy

like quantum jumping or

[onyx lake]

It can get around Stanton, but like most of the small ships, it does so quite slowly with a drive that can make the trip without stopping or with multiple stops with a somewhat faster drive.

[tight latch]

so between orison and horison

[onyx lake]

iirc it can make the trip from Orison to Hurston on one quantum tank, but it takes a long time

[tight latch]

the gas planet to the lorville

kk

[onyx lake]

lemme double check that rq

Yeah, the Mustang can go from Crusader to Hurston in a single jump with the default QT drive. It just cant make the trip from ArcCorp to Microtech in one jump.

[little stratus]

use !erkul to see for yourself

[wary tusk]

#DPSCalculator

• Calculator • Shops • Ships • Weapons •

[tight latch]

hey

can someone help me with a question

[jovial matrix]

What’s your question?

[tight latch]

my friend is trying to download star citzen but it keeps him an error

me and another friend are trying to help him

but we are having some trouble with figuring out whats wrong

[jovial matrix]

The #helpdesk channel can help you with that

[regal wind]

@ivory gust hull a is how much

[ivory gust]

Will be 1.3M in 3.18. Not available in 3.17

[regal wind]

Am in 3.18 ptu and ship is ingame buyable

[swift flint]

that's the point of his message

it's buyable in 3.18 and not in 3.17

[[Hull A]]

[alpine orbit]

https://starcitizen.tools/Hull_A

[swift flint]

hmm, hull A is 64 scu

I was wondering what to pick up to carry my refined quant IF they fix scanning

now I am confused

erkul says that the Hull A is 48 SCU

[torn mulch]

Not the hull a, it’s very easy to steal the cargo from. Freelancer is far better, and faster.

[swift flint]

sc tools says it's 64

[swift flint]

hmm yeah, not much more expensive

[torn mulch]

The only thing going for the hull a is it’s aesthetic. The in atmo performance of the Hull is abysmal lol.

[swift flint]

and freelancer has 2xS2 shields

instead of 2xS1 on the hull a

I think you convinced me to get a freelancer

[regal wind]

What fleelancer model?

[jovial matrix]

all of them have 2x S2 shields

[regal wind]

What model is good for cargo max 1,8 mil

[jovial matrix]

the freelancer max is the best one for cargo

[swift flint]

normal one

[regal wind]

I aint that rich

[regal wind]

Duar?

Idk whats the normal one

[swift flint]

just freelancer

no max, no mis

it's 1.7 mil and has 66 scu

max is 2.1 though

[regal wind]

Hm

I have 1,88 mil

Not 88

[swift flint]

it's 1.68 mil

[regal wind]

I have 1,288 mil

[swift flint]

why would you need 88?

[regal wind]

So 300k more

[swift flint]

where did you spend 600k?

[regal wind]

Nono 1,88mil wrong i typed wrong

[swift flint]

i see

[regal wind]

Am broke

[swift flint]

me too, but I have a taurus, a prospector and a hurricane in live

i could carry cargo in the taurus

[regal wind]

Bruh u bought in website?

[regal wind]

Ahh on live

[swift flint]

no, with auec

[regal wind]

3.18 hehe

[regal wind]

Is tarus good

Taurus

[swift flint]

I'd say it's good

174 scu

has a tractor beam on the bottom

for physical cargo

[regal wind]

330€ website

[swift flint]

yeah, it's a lot

[regal wind]

Hm it will stay forever?

Standalone will be gone in 1-2 years?

[swift flint]

not sure

I know that in the future, the ship prices might even increase

[tight latch]

When is the next big ship based event like where they offer a crap load of ships on the pledge

[swift flint]

ILW probably in may'

but that will be military stuff mostly

[tight latch]

So no miner and cargo ships
Awwww

[little stratus]

smaller sales around March (st patricks) and maybe April (easter)

[regal wind]

Ima rent freelancer

32k

[hollow sedge]

How much do we think the Hull C could increase in price on release? Considering it's supposed to carry 4600 SCU I'm thinking somewhere between 4 to 600

[regal wind]

Lost 500k

Due ship didnt brake

[regal wind]

@swift flint

I aint buying freelancer it burns itself

[swift flint]

wdym it burns itself?

[regal wind]

By these things @swift flint

[hollow sedge]

That just looks like damage to the Hull. Manoeuvring thrusters can't cause damage to the ship

[swift flint]

ships don't just burn themselves you know

the freelancer has been fine for a long time

nothing has been done to it

[regal wind]

It does rn

When i move 3.18

[ivory gust]

Have you posted this bug on the issue council?

[regal wind]

nope

[ivory gust]

Then you should do that if you want the devs to be aware and have a chance of fixing it

[clever ore]

Anyone got some tips or a link to a beginner?
I want to do cargo, trading, shipping etc. I have a 315p at the moment, starter ship, because it has the largest cargo bay. Any tips appreciatet

[little stratus]

cargo is in a really shit situation right now

[misty coyote]

Well...

You can take box missions... Cargo hauling at that size will not work how you'd like..

The rule of thumb is "It takes a fortune, to make a fortune"

[little stratus]

with a 315p you basically make negligible profit with freight

[misty coyote]

There aren't any extremely high value commodities in the game at all...

[little stratus]

but a 315p is alright at doing some low level bounty missions

[misty coyote]

And deliveries too...

A bit of exploration etc

[little stratus]

exploration is not a money making method

[misty coyote]

This game isn't about making money

Soley

If you only have a number as your goal, it's going to get old fast

[little stratus]

you damn well can't do shit if you have no money

[misty coyote]

Oh?

So you can't go and explore a cave?

Apart from buying ships... What is the point of AUEC?

Because I can do that with RL money

[little stratus]

to buy armour, guns, rent ships for a myriad of activites

its a spaceship game

[misty coyote]

I just go to bunkers for armour and guns

My point is, the aUEC game is shallow

[little stratus]

and how's a new player gonna do that

[misty coyote]

And I wished someone had told me not to focus on that, and just to enjoy what's there

Yes, you're right in that you need to make some bank to get to some game loops. But not doing a game loop because it doesn't make much money detracts

[clever ore]

Okay and what do i do now?

[little stratus]

you can ask in #looking-for-session for a friend to play with

usually SC players are happy to show new players around

[misty coyote]

It's a great joy to show around new players...

[misty coyote]

I think you should go and do a delivery mission...

Find it in you mobiglass

Or go pick up some waste from a place and "Dispose" of it safely

read... Throw it out of the airlock

[clever ore]

Yea, i am not really THAT new, alteady did a little bit of everything. I have arround 400k aUEC now, most of it from mercenary or beacons. But i wanna focus on cargo now, but i have no idea how to earn more money. All my missions are 8k aUEC and always deliver 3 pakages, very boring

[misty coyote]

Well..
If you want to do cargo runs, then go an hire a Constelation Andromeda, which has 96 SCU cargo... Or a freelancer.... The payout isn't great though...

They are bringing hauling missions in at some point soon though...

The Lancer is cheaper, but only has 64 I think

[clever ore]

By cargo run you mean buying some stuff somewhere and then selling it somewhere else? Like Medical supplies etc

[misty coyote]

You could go into the drug game...

Though all of this is at the whims of other cargo runners, as the supply and demand is based on all servers, not just yours.....

So you could be running Da Gud Stuff, but find no buyers

[boreal vine]

Any good way to make good profit with this? I got a Freelancer Max

[sick phoenix]

define good profit

because the current state of cargo is max risk for min profit

*according to what i hear

[hasty stump]

Put in 1 mil of your own money, haul your own stuff across the system, hope you don't get ganked, then sell the whole load for 1.1 mil

Profit!

[vestal ravine]

For anyone interested in Vice trading I can offer some ways to make this work but it takes money to make money. Just dm me and we can talk. Thanks!

[boreal vine]

Yeah thats too much risk for barely any profit

100k profit or 1m shorter

[sick phoenix]

yeah

later on there's surely bound to be more profits tho

[vestal ravine]

That's the lower tier trade items. Vice is a whole different world.

[sick phoenix]

vice is competitive as hell and you probably aren't bringing a freelancer max into it

[boreal vine]

Will the mercury starrunner do good for vice?

I know how vice works just dont see enough profit with the freelancer max

[jovial matrix]

The MSR has less cargo space than a freelancer max so you’d be making less money

You shouldn’t really be buying 120 something SCU of vice anyway, that’s way way more than you’ll be able to realistically sell in any short amount of time

[maiden wharf]

high tier cargo is just too damn risky as of right now. You could earn the profit 3 times only to lose it all in one go. I feel like the risk to profit ratio is very high here.

[hasty stump]

Need those cargo missions already

I wanna space truck

[boreal vine]

Yeah fr

[vestal ravine]

Ian I sent you a direct message that discusses the Vice mining a couple days ago. I hope you can read it. Thanks!!

I think what I will do is use my smallest ship a 135c and buy the most expensive Vice, sell it and see how long all that takes and report back. I like the risk factors in trading and I've lost more to CTD's than any pirating shoot downs. We make our own gameplay choices but I have always increased my bank account from both regular trading and Vice also.

[shrewd hinge]

how many SCU is 1 ship component?

Is it 1:1?

[clever ore]

What exactly is vice

If you dont mind me asking

[jovial matrix]

Illegal commodities, drugs

[keen heart]

how do i get started with cargo trading? is there a guide for the locations to purchase items and what items should i buy?

[jovial matrix]

What ship(s) do you have?

[keen heart]

a cutter, i just want to give it a try

[jovial matrix]

Mk

For legal commodities, med supplies, laranite, agricium are all high value commodities

[keen heart]

is there a site to know where which outposts are that sell them?

[jovial matrix]

Don’t expect to make much money at all though, the cutter carries a minuscule amount of cargo

[jovial matrix]

One sec

For illegal commodities, neon and E’tam are the best to trade

You can use SC trade tools, UEXCorp, and gallog to look at commodity prices and where to buy them (not sure how up to date gallog is though)

[keen heart]

do i get crime stat for selling illegal commodity?

or do i only get it if i get scanned by some security ship?

[jovial matrix]

Only if you get scanned

[boreal vine]

Yeah I have.

[keen heart]

welp my first trading run is a loss

got griefed at the trading post

[ivory gust]

Yep. Welcome to Star Citizen, where there's no consequences for criminal behavior so all the internet trolls do whatever they want

[keen heart]

i mean i assunmed he was friendly since he didnt do anything, but then he ran me over with his roc for no reason

couldnt even press full charges lol, it just said he did harm to me, hello he killed me lol

[ivory gust]

Never assume anyone is friendly. Assume everyone is out to kill you, and if you see another player outside armistice, kill them before they can kill you

[jovial matrix]

Stay strapped and ready to fight at all times

[keen heart]

alright lesson learned i guess

[ivory gust]

How to say hello in Star Citizen:

• Shoot them until they're incapacitated
• Post in global chat apologizing and asking if they're friendly
• Loot any weapons from them
• If they seemed nice in global chat, pull out medgun and res them, then stand way back
• If they make any aggressive moves, shoot them
• Get in your ship and chuck their weapons out the back door as you leave

[jovial matrix]

I wouldn’t go that far

Just be cautious. Act like you’re about to enter a bunker mission or go do a bounty wherever you go

On alert, but not too worried. And if something happens or you have an indication that someone is hostile, then go on the offensive

[ivory gust]

Also only turn your back on a corpse

[boreal vine]

^

[vestal ravine]

Pirate ships or just bad dudes can shoot INTO the mining station armistice zone. Be ready to fly off or take cover if another ship points it's nose at you. This rarely happens but be careful at ALL times.

[jovial matrix]

NPC ships can shoot into armistice sondes, players ships cannot

[ivory gust]

They really need to give mining stations turrets, and also not spawn hostile NPCs over them

Or at least, if they're going to spawn hostile NPCs there, make it an actual event like a mini-nine tails lockdown

[vestal ravine]

Hey thanks for the correction! I saw a ship land in the mining station safe zone but off a pad. They started shooting at me. Is there a glitch zone if you land and shoot if a human player?

[keen heart]

when i land at a city to drop cargo, should i store my ship?

[vestal ravine]

Yes. Then head to the TDD for the big sale.

[keen heart]

i heard people recommend this, why? why cant you just leave your ship there? bug where the server removes/destroys your ship?

[little stratus]

sometimes the game doesn't register your ship at the TDD if you don't store it

or your ship can be bugged to be floating especially if you don't turn off the engines

[vestal ravine]

Nry: what do you mean by leave your ship there? Thanks!

[ivory gust]

He means just leave it parked instead of storing it

[ivory gust]

In addition to the bugs mentioned above, why wouldn't you store your ship when you're parked?

[keen heart]

because if you were just stopping off to go sell, its just a waste of time to retrieve the ship later

[ivory gust]

It only takes a few seconds to retrieve , and it seems rude to me to hold a landing bay for yourself that whole time

[keen heart]

wasnt aware it blocked others

[vestal ravine]

I would be careful doing that as unattended ships can have all sorts of horrible things done to them. Even at a station.

Okay I have the sample VICE mission report from my 135C at 6 SCU. I went to Jumptown on Yela and bought $79,121.00 of SLAM and sold it all at Brio's on Daymar for $101,250.00. Net profit of $22,129.00. So if you relog and did it 5 more times you would have over 100K. And this is one of the smallest trade ships in the game.

[torn mulch]

Production of drugs is very limited and lends itself to small ships, it’s pretty much the only viable trade route for the little dudes.

Your first four trips are covering your initial investment then from then on its free money, till you lose one load.

You may find your 135c can’t be filled up if you do the run too frequently, has nothing to do with relogging as stock is spread across the servers.

[vestal ravine]

The sale covered the original investment plus I made the 22K profit. As long as any one load over the next 4 doesn't get shot down the profits add up. I have been trading since a year ago with the improved heartbeat 30K protection and pirate avoidance there is not much to fear in trading and I now routinely use a A2 or C2.

[torn mulch]

You haven’t “covered your initial investment” you risked $80,000auec and sold for $100,000. You’re 20k up.

You need to make, at minimum, another three before you’re safe from loss of a load. If you lose any one of the next three loads you’re in the hole, which is exactly what I said above.

Totally agree that 30k protection has helped heaps, still the odd CTD death, or being flung into a planet among other but it’s definitely better for sure.

[silver quest]

Hi. What is this 30k protection? Is that a separate application I would run?

[jovial matrix]

its something that kicks in whenever the server you're on crashes. It saves your ship as well as its contents and stores it at the last station/city you requested landing at. It also saves all the stuff on your character

also, do you play crossout?

[torn mulch]

It stores it in “Stanton” you can retrieve it from anywhere, not just your last location.

[silver quest]

I don’t play crossout. I lost several gear due to 30k. Did thay add this in game as a standard feature or is it something additional?

[jovial matrix]

its standard

[silver quest]

Thanks

[vestal ravine]

Don't log in right away. Wait 10 minutes and do not claim ship right away.

[silver quest]

Got it

[vestal ravine]

If you CAN retrieve your ship right away check the cargo contents if so. Good luck.

[keen heart]

Does this apply to ROC vehicle or prospector etc? Would it still have stuff in it after a 30k? Because I checked and it didn’t

Or maybe I rushed it, I forget

[ivory gust]

ROCs don't, just ships

[halcyon tapir]

Can you buy cargo at jumptown outside of event?

[jovial matrix]

Yes, you can buy drugs there

[halcyon tapir]

Thanks

[bitter jungle]

I noticed that the M2 starlifter has an additional remote nose turret. Does anyone know if that happens to slave to the pilot ?

[jovial matrix]

it is not

[bitter jungle]

shame! thanks

[plucky karma]

yo who wants to haul cargo with me ( one in a fighter the other in a hauler )

[little stratus]

#looking-for-session

[stone hare]

Does the Hull E only go on sale for IAE?

[north oyster]

IAE or Invictus week. I do think it is a limited ship but I'm sure it doesn't sell out like the Kraken

[little stratus]

yes only IAE

and it'll likely sell out pretty quickly because it's quantity restricted

[tough apex]

How does running cargo work?

Are there trade routes?

or is it just

profit made from the farthest facilities sold to

[little stratus]

well...it doesn't (profits wise)

[little stratus]

there are trade routes

[tough apex]

what's like

the best

[little stratus]

depends on how much money you have right now

and what ship you have to do the cargo runs

[tough apex]

well

soon Imma upgrade my cutty black to a andromeda

[little stratus]

money?

[tough apex]

like

500k?

i haven't checked

[little stratus]

yea you're not gonna make noticable profit with cargo

gonna be real with you

cargo right now is in a terrible spot, profits are mostly negligible vs risk involved

[vestal ravine]

There's about three core ways to break into trading.

[tropic adder]

And those are?

[torn mulch]

Play a different game that doesn’t shaft you for losing one out of every five loads.

[vestal ravine]

For one thing like Neo said trading leads you into losing your recently made profits if you get shot down or have a CTD that leaves your cargo ship in a claim state. But as an overall primer if you look at YT videos by Jack Axton or Cletus Space Trucker these guys are full time truckers. You are always picking up a load even if it's low value. The second way is more common where you first buy a higher value trade item and backfill with a mid tier cargo like Gold or Titanium. Try to fill up the ship then go sell. The last core option is going after Vice only. This costs the most but has the highest payback. For finer details DM me.

[north oyster]

Additionally, which may or may not have been spelled out, is that currently trade only favores the largest ships. So you can only turn a reasonable return with the C2, Cat or Carrick.

[red gulch]

I was doing some trade routes lately with a cutlass black and I made enough to buy a new cargo ship, I was thinking I'd try the caterpillar but I'm a solo player, should I go for it or is there anything better? ty 🙂

[jovial matrix]

The C2 is the best cargo hauler currently, followed by the caterpillar

[red gulch]

Thanks, I've been looking at them, do both have a cargo bay big enough to store a vehicle? I wanted to try out some planet mining with that jeep thingy later on, was wondering if I could take it with me 🙂

[jovial matrix]

The cat technically can hold vehicles, but there isn’t a ramp to easily load them with like on the C2

You have to angle the ship next to a hill or similar terrain feature and drive the vehicles inside

[hasty stump]

https://youtu.be/hGtLgpEl3IM

As seen here

[bitter jungle]

any idea what happens if I try to fill my cargo bay while a vehicle is parked inside of there ?

[ivory gust]

The vehicle will take up cargo space and you won't be able to get as much cargo

[bitter jungle]

that sounds much better than my cargo crushing my vehicle or something like that 🙂

[maiden wharf]

its funny because the risk is not the pirates, i never get pirated by one, sometimes by AI but QT is no big deal. It's the bug and crash that is my no.1 enemy.

[jovial matrix]

full cutty black of laranite made a sick 22,600 profit

[vestal ravine]

This is what the Cutty is made for!

[torn mulch]

The C2 is a lot better as it has utility outside of straight cargo, and is much much faster so your routes take less time to complete.

[jovial matrix]

was landing to sell my cargo and got a 30k, awesome

full andromeda of laranite for like 50K profit I think?

[little stratus]

how long did you take though

[jovial matrix]

I was surprised this much laranite was avaliable tbh, seems like everyone is trading drugs

[jovial matrix]

one go

I didnt have to wait at all

[little stratus]

i guess 96 SCU is still within the realm of once per run

[jovial matrix]

might try it with a taurus tomorrow, see if I can get a full load without having to wait

[ivory gust]

Probably also fewer people doing grindy activities in live currently

[jovial matrix]

True

[blissful hinge]

is cargo hauling going to become more profitable in 3.18?

[little stratus]

probably not

[blissful hinge]

oh

thats a shame

[vestal ravine]

As long as CIG does not make trade loops worse I can make money with it.

[hollow sedge]

pirates are going to rampant this patch, so profits might be down

[fallen burrow]

Wouldn’t that mean profits up, pirates scare away the less experienced, leaving more commodities unbought

Less competition

[north oyster]

Concur, let the rumors and fear permeate the persistent universe, skilled space truckers will make a potential killing on profit.

[north oyster]

At this time the trade system is still a little stagnate but there is promise of it getting some love in the next couple of patches. Overall you can still make good coin but you need to have a C2, CAT or Carrack to make that happen. It will have to change when the Hull C comes online.

[blissful hinge]

How will the Hull C change anything?

Isn’t it just another cargo ship?

[north oyster]

With over 4,600 SCU, it's a little bit more than just another cargo ship as it relates to current game play

Missions, reputation, etc will all need to come into play to support this ship

[blissful hinge]

Holy shit that’s a lot of cargo space

[north oyster]

Lore has it that she's the "most used ship" in the 'verse, the whole core of trade and cargo is going to have to be revamped

[torn mulch]

More people will pirate you since this is kinda the piracy update. You’ll make less on populated servers or when you get unlucky in that respect.

The hull also needs tech in game that isn’t there yet. It can’t land on planets for cargo it’s only to be used in space.

[jovial matrix]

There also needs to be a reason to trade that much cargo

[blissful hinge]

Well isn’t the reason to trade that much cargo to make large sums of money?

[jovial matrix]

Besides making money I mean

[blissful hinge]

Oh ok

[torn mulch]

Bruh let me trade 4600scu of scrap and I’ll be a happy boi

[little stratus]

freight contracts for station supply maybe

stations need food, water etc

[jovial matrix]

seems like my laranite luck last night was a fluke, went to see if I could fill a taurus in one go and only 12SCU was avaliable

[torn mulch]

Yes!

[boreal vine]

Any luck in PTU with trading?

For 3.18

[ivory gust]

PTU has been great for trading, several people have put out videos, but I suspect that won't translate to live

[boreal vine]

Well only one way to figure out 🙂

I hope it will be a good profit I love doing it

Definitly getting caterpillar and freelancer then

[blissful flume]

any real methods yet>

[north oyster]

3.18 comes to LIVE today
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/alpha-3-18-0-live-release-update/5785337

[north oyster]

about 1 1/2 hours ago "Final QA checks are underway, as we prepare for imminent launch. We are now looking at a very early morning US time for launch. Being so close, we do not want to rush it. We expect some turbulence with this release and need all hands on deck to monitor and manage the service once we go live. One more sleep."
so possibly tomorrow morning when austin is in the office

[stiff gust]

I like how so many people came in game to tell us to stop playing because wipe was in an hour.... that was 12 hours ago.

Had fun doing ship meets all day though.

[elfin rune]

Excuse me, im new here, can i ask a question about cargo?

If i get minerals with a prospector and refine it, i should change ship to something with more cargo space then use it to travel? Ive only tested prospector and cut black.

[wind summit]

typically once its refined you have to put it in another ship, wouldn't put it back in the miner. You can load up a cat or c2 with several days of mining loads and then go sell all at once.

or do it in smaller batches in something like a connie.

[vestal ravine]

And if your cargo ship is to small it won't release the refined product.

[twin falcon]

Is there some bug that would make all the refined ore i've deposited in my cargo ship completely dissappear when i go to sell it?

had been buliding it up over a week and a half or so, went to sell yeseterday afternoon, nothing in my ship, physical or not.

less concerned bout the money pre 3.18, but more so about if this persists, might not bother going for that loop at all with such a bug

huge time black hole

sorry if this question belongs in the mining section, seemed like a cargo issue

[jovial matrix]

Whenever you store refined quant inside a ship to transport, the quant is invisible. It’s still there, and you should be able to go sell it, it’s just not there physically

[twin falcon]

wasn't any quant, but yeah, i appreciate the reminder of that bug. but it wasn't even available to sell, i'm not speaking about its physical manifestation

[jovial matrix]

Ah ok

I got no idea then, sorry

[twin falcon]

still helpful, ty

[ivory gust]

Where did you try to sell it?

Had you previously rented a ship of the same type at any point in the past?

I recommend not transferring stuff to the ship until you're about ready to leave. Refined ore can stay in the refinery indefinitely and be safe, but stuff you transfer to your ship is less safe

[verbal schooner]

i want to do a cargo run, i have a cargo ship i just dont know where to start and what to do

[elfin rune]

Thank you

[elfin rune]

+1 to this, any good guide in YT or something?

[twin falcon]

tried to sell in NB, no rental. and that makes sense about leaving it at refinery as long as possible to avoid the bugginess of cargo sitting still

i applied a paint job to the ship, only thing i can think of

as in maybe the bug is related to that

but did nothing else to it, it just sat and waited for the ore to fill it, then was flown to NB, all terminals checked, nada

not stresseda bout the cash, just wondering for sake of stability in next patch, etc. your tip, with fjord's will atleast help me avoid the issue hopefully if i try mining agaisn

and am glad for the character resetting, haven't been able to get BH contracts to show up for weeks, and haven't been able to get anyone to share one anywhere with me

will be fun

[vestal ravine]

Raft containers stay attached after shoot downs in 3.18!!!

[ivory gust]

You went to the TDD in NB, correct? Not admin?

[twin falcon]

Correct. Even tried admin terminal afterwards to be safe.

[ivory gust]

Well, maybe your ore just wiped itself a few hours early

[vestal ravine]

Someone said the 32 scu containers haven't been physicalized yet so immune to breaking free.

[ivory gust]

Also not really possible to pirate them, I think

[twin falcon]

fair enough

[plush maple]

so whats the deal with the update- it says it dropped already but the launcher wont let me launch the game even

is there still stuff happening behind the scenes or is my launcher borked?

[jovial matrix]

hasnt finished updating yet

everyone else is also waiting for the download button to appear

[plush maple]

gotcha- just wanted to check

[analog garnet]

So I just got a nomad; mainly for.. well, nomadic living, but I plan to take advantage of the cargo. Being a lazy bum, I don't want to watch a video bc I won't retain the info. Anyone care to tell me the basics while they wait in queue?

[fringe kettle]

Grab a multi tool get a tractor beam fitting, and transport cargo. Boom

Also have a gun on you incase a pirate decides to pull up

[crude tinsel]

Basics of the game? Well that largely depends on what you wanna do

But never leave without a gun, a med gun, and your multi-tool with the tractor beam attachment

Armor doesn’t really matter too much so wear what you like! I suggest light-medium armor for nomadic living. If you really wanna look like your stuff is scrounged together, loot the 890 jump hijackers from the missions in microtech

[delicate girder]

Can you do pretty well starting out with cargo in 3.18 if you have a Nomad (24 SCU)?

[delicate girder]

LOL! Just realized I'm asking the same question as above. Sorry.

[delicate girder]

Do you absolutely need the tractor beam in 3.18 if you're just running cargo from one port to another. You don't have to load it yourself yet in 3.18 right?

[upbeat prawn]

na you jsut sell it from the belly like cargo

[analog garnet]

Do I need to look up where to sell what

Or is it mission based

[delicate girder]

Currently most cargo is not mission based unless they've added missions in 3.18 I haven't seen yet.

There are delivery missions of course, but that's not cargo.

There's two good websites at least which help you know where to buy and sell what. Tying to remember them now...

[analog garnet]

I see, ty

[delicate girder]

When you're first starting out running cargo is actually more dangerous than doing bounties because you can loose money quick if you crash or or otherwise get destroyed.

[analog garnet]

I'm not new to the game, I've just never ran anything but a fighter

Or at least cared about the cargo it had

[delicate girder]

@analog garnet, what activity do you like in the game most so far or are you too new to know?

[analog garnet]

Bounty hunting ha

But I've done that for 3 wipes now

[delicate girder]

That's almost always what I start with.

[analog garnet]

I do a fair bit of ground play too

Though that usually ends poorly bc of... well, star citizen

[delicate girder]

I suck at FPS, mainly because it bores me most of the time.

[analog garnet]

I love it when it works

The looting specifically

And it feels more immersive being a person rather than a ship

I get lost in the game on the way to bunkers just staring at Stanton rising behind the planets

[delicate girder]

Well I call this game the best damn space port simulator ever because it has some much walking.

[analog garnet]

For real

Ay BTW if I go quiet I passed out lmao

But thanks for the help g

[delicate girder]

LOL, it past your bed time too.

[analog garnet]

Has been for a while

Only hurting myself here, I got more than enough time to work but I'm hoping for a good few space hours before then

[delicate girder]

Is that you're in game name? I'll send ya a friend request if you don't mind.

[vast haven]

got this from an outpost, what is it and can i sell it?

[steep glacier]

Those are for obstacle traversing not for selling

[fringe kettle]

I would not recommend taking random objects off outposts or stations lol, it could count as a cargo sku and glitch or worse hit your ship and cause it to explode

[steep glacier]

Don't listen to him he's the fun police

[vast haven]

yeah I saw the skull and crossbones at the bottom so I was like huh, maybe it's something 😅

[steep glacier]

in fact bring a loading cart onto your ship to glitch it to go very fast

[fringe kettle]

You could use it to block an entry if you're in trouble. Ai can't fire through them

[boreal vine]

So how does.the cargo refactor exactly works? Will it attach boxes to every grid no matter the size, or whats up with it?

[granite phoenix]

Does anyone know if the sabre raven has inventory space?

[fringe kettle]

all ships should have a spot for local inventory now

[granite phoenix]

cant for the life of me find it!

[rough ingot]

right side of the pilots seat iirc

[turbid plume]

best way to make quick money in the base freelancer right now?

[north oyster]

Rent a ROC and mine hadanite

Or do bounties

The illegal surveillance is also good

[boreal vine]

Has anyome tried trading?

Cuz i want to get the hull a tbh after Inget me.a gladius

Is it worth it for beginner trade with the 48 scu?.sounds so low

Got a feeling that saving 2m and getting a freelancer max is better

[smoky olive]

i cant buy or sell cargo the new menu doesnt work when i select my ship it doesnt load

[tired nacelle]

Is the hull A any faster when it's cargo spindle is stowed?

[north oyster]

Maybe in atmosphere if they decide to get that granular, otherwise I'm sure it's pretty close in either state

[little stratus]

nope

[tired nacelle]

Dang. Love the ships look, would make a fantastic daily driver as well as light cargo hauler. Its speed is the only thing holding me back. Pretty slow for a surface <-> air transport

[ivory gust]

It's slower than the base Freelancer for the same cargo space, and the Freelancer can carry vehicles too

[foggy pike]

So I'm getting to fly the Freelancer Max for this month and Starting to like it figure some cargo hauling, second leg of mining, and some FPS salvage could be done with it. I might even shell out the 150 to keep it after march.

[ivory gust]

It's a solid hauler, but for only $40 more you can get the Constellation Taurus which has ~50 SCU more space in addition to great weapons

[tired nacelle]

Freelancers interior is hideous compared to the Hull A though 😦

[ivory gust]

yes, good looks or useful, pick one

[tired nacelle]

Also the speed is barely a difference. 1000 vs 1005. Idk if theres even a single ship that lies between that lol

[ivory gust]

that's top speed in space which is irrelvant, I'm talking about speed through atmosphere

there was a youtube video where someone compared the two side by side and the freelancer finished the route way quicker

[tired nacelle]

Ah. Well the speed issue for me with hull A is that its fragile AND slow. And with this being the "piracy patch" its gonna be a rough time if you get caught out. Thats my only hold up on getting it. No chance i get the freelancer without a gold standard rework. Things interior is hideous.

[ivory gust]

plus the Hull series makes it really easy for pirates to get the booty

[tired nacelle]

Eh. What would I care? I'd be dead already probably

[delicate girder]

Please remind me what those two main third party trading websites where for SC.

[jovial matrix]

UEXcorp and SCtradetools

[delicate girder]

Thanks and you helped me remember the third one: https://www.gallog.co/

How many commodities per SCU? Do I remember correctly that it's 100? It's the same for all commodities not counting the ROC mined gems which are 1000 per SCU right?

[jovial matrix]

yeah its 100

[delicate girder]

If I have a Nomad, would it really be worth my time for me to do some hauling of some things initially when I have the money and the servers are more stable? Maybe illegals or something?

[jovial matrix]

would be decent money hauling drugs

normal commodities wouldnt be worthwhile though

[delicate girder]

What were those good profit drugs which I can do outside of an event? Stims don't look like it from the amount of profit.

[jovial matrix]

neon and etam are the best ones to trade

slam takes too long to sell

[delicate girder]

Yeah. Pretty pricey though so it's not really an entry level thing I guess until a player does some other things. And it's a lot more risky than bounty hunting which is a bit ironic.

[jovial matrix]

yeah

[tropic adder]

Is there a definitive list of NQA and/or un-monitored POIs?
I want to live as a criminal... But an UNWANTED criminal is definitely preferred. and it would be nice to know that there are more than a couple places to sell drugs and such.

[vestal ravine]

When I had the Hull A as a Sub ship of the month found out you can reduce your pirate attacks by 50% since you can call it at a Platinum Bay pad. Then go over to the Storage Bldg, buy some cargo and head straight for a big city TDD.

[vestal ravine]

hey send me a DM I have most of that Vice info on a cheat sheet I use. Happy to help you.

[delicate girder]

Wow, didn't know you could call a Hull A to a PB. Until that ship, only ship considered snubs could do that. That has to be the biggest ship which can do that then.

[vestal ravine]

It's really a cool thing to see happen but I don't own the ship and rely on the C2 as the main money maker.

[pastel flame]

Have any of you fine cargo-running citizens had a chance to check out drug running in 3.18 live?

[rotund bear]

Is anyone had a problem with the trade consoles not showing up ship inventory’s?

[delicate girder]

I doubt anyone has had to ability to check out anything in 3.18 live except login bugs and terminal/transaction bugs if they're lucky enough to get past the login bugs.

[pastel flame]

I've had a good run so perhaps some traders have

[delicate girder]

About all I've done is a few bounties when the game let's me get in my ship.

Don't have enough money to do cargo yet anyway.

[pastel flame]

Hopefully things improve soon

[delicate girder]

Yeah, I have a question or two about those.

[jovial matrix]

what

[pastel flame]

Are you calling out my pic?

You can go watch my yt video

[delicate girder]

I saw service beacons about giving someone a ride from one place to another for a decent amount. Was that an NPC who needed a ride?

[pastel flame]

All combat.

Millions in combat beacons

Just one of the lucky ones

[delicate girder]

What YT vid?

[pastel flame]

Feels bad linking it in cargo and trading, mind if I pm?

[delicate girder]

please do

I swear I did see a service beacon about giving someone a ride, but I guess is was combat in disguise?

[jovial matrix]

that was a playermade beacon

[delicate girder]

Was wondering that too.

So you can make millions with the service beacons eh?

[pastel flame]

1 mil an hour is a conservative estimate

[delicate girder]

Nice!

[pastel flame]

I REALLY want a salvage crew

[delicate girder]

Even with small starter ships for decently skilled pilots?

[jovial matrix]

mans flying a corsair doing critical and high threats, so no

[pastel flame]

Id say 500k/hr for smaller ships

[delicate girder]

I have ships like an Arrow, Titan and Nomad. Nothing bigger yet.

I like earning the big ones in game actually. Gone up to the Carrack (and 890 Junk) multiple times. Don't mind loosing them.

[pastel flame]

This is the way

Connie or 600i are great, tali will clear those criticals

[jovial matrix]

I wanna pledge a connie at some point

[pastel flame]

@midnight nymph has a great vid for the tali he did in 3.18 live

[delicate girder]

Yeah, Sent, C2 and Connie are my gotos early on.

[pastel flame]

All top tier

[delicate girder]

If I had the big ships I'd constantly be tempted to not fly the small ships.

I've been playing other space games like NMS, Avorion, etc while monitoring the 3.18 clown show and testing occasionally.

Did you say you were PMing me a vid link? Just wondering if I missed it. Not rushing you.

[delicate girder]

The Tali is another one of my gotos. Like flying a submarine in space.

[delicate girder]

I could help load my Nomad (or other ships) and deliver the crates or something some evening while others continue to strip the ships.

[delicate girder]

Think I found your vid so you don't have to PM it.

[pastel flame]

I did, yes

At 10:14 cst

[pastel flame]

Yeah I hope there's a lot more group gameplay like this.

[delicate girder]

The reclaimer salvage looks quite fun. Haven't done it yet.

[pastel flame]

Love the feeling walking up to that thing just how huge it is.

[delicate girder]

There's only like four places you can land that thing so is it the right thing to do to offload to other ships and sell?

[serene quest]

This is the way.

[tight latch]

I just got my reclaimer ship out anybody done to salvage

[delicate girder]

I'd help, but it sucks that the only time the servers kinda work right now is when I need to sleep.

[tight latch]

Well I'm off right now so ima stay up until I get tired

[delicate girder]

In a few days I hope to maybe join you and D3coupled and some others and do this reclaimer salvaging thing. Let me send ya a friend request.

[tight latch]

Well I guess you gotta get off??

[delicate girder]

Yeah, I'll see a around tomorrow maybe depending on server health.

[serene iris]

Can someone in my party buy cargo for my ship? Or do I have to get out myself and go to the trade terminal

[vestal ravine]

From what I know the pilot of the cargo ship is responsible. But you could have the friend transfer money via Mo Trader then you go buy.

[serene iris]

Awh, i hate the C2s landing gear >:[

[zenith maple]

you dont want to do the chicken eating seeds bow everytime you land?

[elfin rune]

Guys what would you do for cash , rented prospector or ROC?

[pastel flame]

ROC, rented prospector is bad

[elfin rune]

Damn i love the prospector

Thank you

Therss any good minning guild?

I hope i wont stop playing anytime soon

[pastel flame]

We can't talk orgs here

There are some great mining orgs

[elfin rune]

Where can i find some please?

A list or something

[spare cloud]

rsi official website has a dedicated place for orgs

[serene iris]

Gahhh don’t remind me

[mint chasm]

Does anyone know how the RAFT works in 3.18 is there a way to get out the cargo in soft death or anything?

[delicate girder]

@pastel flame , I've been having a heck of a time finding any of those beacons. I wait and wait at all jursidictions, but no luck.

[pastel flame]

I got to HRT and then started seeing them. Don't wait, kill bounties til they pop.

[delicate girder]

I'm having a heck of a time even getting bounties to show.

[pastel flame]

Could be the very, very bad backend issues.

[delicate girder]

I mean in the last half a day on multiple servers, but yes.

[pastel flame]

I did another nearly 2 million last night again in beacons, zero issues. If you aren't doing bounties you're not following the program 😛

Go to Crusader, Be a BH

[delicate girder]

That's where I do it most for sure, but I jumped around to see if I'd have better luck elsewhere with spawning of constracts.

What's that website which shows all the settlements by type?

[pastel flame]

My feeling on beacons is that they won't just start showing up with any frequency until you're already active, that's never really worked for me in 3.18

This is what I see on login now

[delicate girder]

Please let me friend ya and try to join your server then.

[pastel flame]

You are already accepted as a friend

[delicate girder]

Oh, did see it. Thanks

[pastel flame]

I'm at 91 beacons completed, lol

[delicate girder]

Just grabbed one of those illegal surveillance missions because there was nothing else and even that one just bugged out.

[pastel flame]

Don't do anything with multiple targets right now, even group bounties are a full wash

I'm just getting on again and will be afk a bunch til later, but welcome to join my server and check it out

[delicate girder]

Didn't mean to do an invite. Was trying to get in the server.

In your server now and all I see is one medical rescue.

[pastel flame]

Plenty of bounties showing, run one

They'll pop

[delicate girder]

Now I think I know what my mistake was this morning. I'm on my main account and I was previously doing bounties on my alt and was somewhat repped up there. I haven't had a chance on this one.

On the other servers I just couldn't even get the cert missions to show for some reason or it would have clued me in.

Wow, this server is actually quick to claim ships and stuff. There must be someone important on this server. 😉

[pastel flame]

I believe in you Iva. That important person is you!

[delicate girder]

That would have make my safe space a little warmer, if I believed safe spaces existed. 😉

[gaunt sedge]

How does bed logging effect cargo

[delicate girder]

Good question. Test it with one SCU of something. Now is 3.18 the persistence of the cargo, in that case, is probably tied to whether or not you log back into the same server.

[cinder osprey]

What are better Cargo options than the MAX?

Is it only Caterpillar and C2?

[rough ingot]

why is this not selling

i got 3 neon and they want 6

clicking neon just gives the 'no' noise