industrial-professions

[misty coyote]

You refine the raw ore to processed. Set up a work order.

Then go rent a Cutty or Lancer and haul it.... Double money then.

More or less

If your ship is stored and you're desperate to sell the ore, you could log off, and log back in.... See if something joggles loose

[hallow bronze]

Im going to another refinery otherwise i do that you say me

[misty coyote]

Are you holding Quantanium?

If not, go for it... Otherwise you're risking things.

[nocturne lava]

Did you make sure to store your Prospector first?

You can't get access to the refinement and sales system if you forgot to store the ship

[hallow bronze]

yes its stored and It doesnt go

Im going to another refinery

[vestal ravine]

I have experience with this and will get back to you later.

[jovial matrix]

Maze is indeed a drug. It’s not inherently illegal to trade and transport drugs, however if you get scanned by a security officer while you have drugs on board, you will get a crimestat. The issue with maze and all the drugs (except for neon and E’tam) is that they are bought and sold in extremely small quantities, making it so selling any significant amount of drugs take literal ages. And in the case of maze, you can’t actually buy it anywhere. I would reccomend doing what is probably the most common trade route, which is going to either HDMS-Lathan or HDMS-bezdek on arial, buying all of the laranite they have avaliable and then filling the rest of your hold with titanium, and then going to lorville and selling it at the TDD. Medical supplies and agricium are some of the other top tier commodities,but in my experience it takes awhile to sell a large load of medical supplies, so idk if I’d reccomend trading that. Not sure about agricium since I’ve never tried trading it

[nocturne lava]

This is extremely helpful. Thanks so much! Since I am going to be flying a Hercules A2 Star Lifter, are the amounts of cargo going to be any different? Should I simply buy as much Laranite as I can carry, then fill the rest with Titanium, then taking it to Lorville? Or is there other stuff I'll also need to buy to pack into that A2 to make the trip worthwhile? That cargo hold can carry quite a lot.

[hallow bronze]

thanks for the help its bugged MIC L1 I go to HUR-L1 and it go also thanks

[misty coyote]

If you're prospecting, selling ore is just your first step to afford a rental. After that, refine it and sell it at TDD. You'll get double your money over selling unrefined...

I get a feeling that they will be adjusting mining soon.... Possibly to have those saddlebags removable.

You sell them to haulers for more than ore refineries.

[north kite]

Was the mole ever fixed

Haven’t played in a bit

[jovial matrix]

Just buy as much laranite as you can and fill the rest with titanium

[north kite]

There is a website that you can use and it just grabs the pricing of items and makes the most effective trade route

I wouldn’t recommend following the best because personally I hate the competition

It’s very annoying

But I haven’t played in like a year

[north kite]

So I remember an update which they made no mining changes but the mole couldn’t vacuum up specifically quant so it was effectively useless, idk if it was ever fixed

[jovial matrix]

The mole works fine now

[north kite]

Aight

[misty coyote]

Still grapevine fodder, the power of the lasers will be taken into account for some rocks...

S2s being too much for some, and S1s not enough for others.

Not sure if multiple prospectors will help mind.....

All supposition..

[ivory gust]

On trade tools, exclude the "Vice" category to get rid of things that are illegal

[dawn juniper]

hi guys, im wondering upgrading my Avenger Titan in a HullA (40USD ~) for doing caro in 3.18
Is Hull A worth it ?

[jovial matrix]

No

It’s slow and the only thing it can really do is cargo hauling, and it isn’t good for that

Of course FPS missions and delivery missions are an option, but almost any ship can do those

[dawn juniper]

thanks for response

and Titan to Pisces C8R?

[jovial matrix]

I wouldn’t do that either

C8R is a great ship, but I don’t think it should be your starter ship

It’s better suited as an addition to your current fleet

[misty coyote]

I'd hang my hat on the C8X as a ship every single person should buy in game.

[dawn juniper]

thanks

[haughty bay]

I want to pledge 1 ship so i have it on wipe day my budget is 300. My goal is to get a ship and use it to earn money for the others. I was thinking ethier wait for eclipse for torp runs, a hauler for trade, or a prospector for mining. I like all the professions im just trying to decide where i should put my money. Atm im leaning twords waiting for eclipse bc i really like it. My line of thought is pledge eclipse since its 5mill in game and use it to buy the others since they are cheaper in game. Any advice or experience is appreciated.

[misty coyote]

Constellation

Eclipse is a one stop shop to snore town

[hot crane]

Anyone want to show me how this works ?

[misty coyote]

Get the Taurus.... It can do it all...

It can hold a ROC and an Ursa at the same time. Carry some cargo if you empty it. Gots missiles, big guns.....

[haughty bay]

Ive seen some ppl commenting on alot of videos about the Taurus i will give it a test for a day.

[misty coyote]

It's a good one.... I would buy one in game, but I really like the snub of the Andro....

[ivory gust]

Eclipse is only 3.5M in game. It's very overpriced for pledge.

IMO get the Prospector if you like mining.

[north oyster]

I positioned myself along the lines of doing mining. To me the Prospector is the Goose that lays the golden eggs, it will allow you to buy everything that is offered in game. I think the ROC with a decent carrier is a great earning opportunity also. To me the MAX is the best for that but I'd buy that in game

[kindred gust]

Agree, I also have an Prospector to start mining and earn some money right away.

[little stratus]

is hand mined hadenite the same hadenite as the one SC tradetools is showing

[jovial matrix]

Yes

[little stratus]

cool

[vestal ravine]

Post wipe I do not have a Mole or Prospector so I paid US cash for a ROC so I be using that a lot then my first in-game purchase will be a Prossie. I have plenty of trade ships but need a couple million before I can use those effectively.

[jovial matrix]

Why did you buy a roc with actual money?

It takes like 2 missions to be able to rent a cutty and a roc ingame

[silk ridge]

I CCUd my starter ship over time and now it's a Vulture. ... Can start printing aUEC right from the start.

[jovial matrix]

Same

Although I’m having a little bit of buyers remorse

Gonna wait and use the vulture before I melt it, but I might end up just turning it into a titan

[silk ridge]

No worries ... that'll be gone when you sell your first load of RMC

[jovial matrix]

We’ll see about that

[silk ridge]

For me it's the perfect starter ship, even with all the other ships I have.

It can salvage, do bunkers, play FedEx and a tiny bit of trade ... Basically everything I like to do

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

That’s why I bought it

It’s a multipurpose ship in disguise

Only issue is combat

[silk ridge]

I own only non-combat ships

Cutter
→ Taxi/Bunkers

C8R
→ Emergency spawn at outposts and maybe Medic for the org

Vulture & Prospector
→ aUEC printing

RAFT
→ Quant Hauling (might get melted or upgraded for a C1, depending on the pirate situation in 3.18+)

MSR
→ Quant Hauling and Data running in the future

Maybe some day I'll get a combat ship... but so far I have zero interest in any combat whatsoever. xD

[sick phoenix]

i resonate with this feeling... i have no interest in combat yet but maybe when i get faniliar with the controls (as well as a hefty bank account) MAYBE THEN will i give combat a try

[topaz plover]

combats gunna find you in 3.18 regardless of how careful u are.. will be so many in gme wanting to steal stuff to try it out .. so expect hard days for firs month of release of 3.18 to live

[sick phoenix]

true

im still new enough that i might be able to miss that first wave... depends on when 3.18 hits

either way ima be trying out mining, salvage, whatnot

just gotta learn 2 mine

[jovial matrix]

I’d reccomend starting with roc mining

[sick phoenix]

is that easy to start with

like fresh account start

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

You need about 40k to rent a cutlass black and a roc, and that’s all you need

[sick phoenix]

these are vehicles of some sort but i don't know what all you mean

[jovial matrix]

Ok so

The roc is a mining buggy type thing, and then the cutlass black is the ship that you use to transport the roc

[sick phoenix]

ok

and how does renting work?

[jovial matrix]

You rent a ship for a certain amount of days, and the only difference between a rental ship and a bought ship is that you can’t change the components or weapons on the rental

Other than that is basically the same as owning the ship

And renting is a lot cheaper than buying of course

[sick phoenix]

of course yeah

i figure the ideal end goal is buying to own

[jovial matrix]

Yup

[sick phoenix]

but obviously, gonna need the money first...

[jovial matrix]

Roc mining makes good money though, a full roc is about 220k, assuming you mine the most valuable gems only, which isn’t super hard to do

[jovial matrix]

I’d reccomend trying a cave mission

It’ll be under the bounty hunter tab in the contracts app

And it’ll say something about clearing out a cave of bad guys

All you need is a chestplate, backpack, a gun and some ammo

[sick phoenix]

do you start with these things

[jovial matrix]

No

[sick phoenix]

damn

[jovial matrix]

They aren’t very hard to get though

[sick phoenix]

i heard something about a family farms place

[jovial matrix]

There’s a couple of farm type places on different moons

The crates inside have guns and ammo, so you can go there if you don’t wanna buy a gun

[sick phoenix]

it's probably my easiest consideration

since i could try a buncha different gun types

• need to fly my ship for practice

[jovial matrix]

True

[vestal ravine]

It's more of a piece of mind thing having the ROC right off the bat. I'm not keen on box missions and don't do space combat and my playing time is to chaotic to rent ships and vehicles. A ROC is only 3 pizza's.

[vestal ravine]

Gallette Family Farms...These spots and the others CAN have nice weapons in them but in the first few weeks expect others to get them before you do. So it's a hit and miss situation and I stopped going after awhile. "Good Luck!!"

[silk ridge]

First months will be hard. I'll probably spend most of my time in random places inside the Halo salvaging. Maybe a little Mining and refining in unpopular Refineries. But I won't go full force mining... Arc-L1 (for example) will be a death trap. xD

[sick phoenix]

i have the advantage of "it isn't patch day yet so the new player influx shoudln't be around"

but yeah i'm hoping to be a logistical type player that occasionally delves into combat and it sounds fun

• maybe i try for medrunners

[sick phoenix]

that is indeed one of the ships of all time

[silk ridge]

If only the Cutlas wasn't so ugly

[sick phoenix]

kinda looks like the rocket league '16 batmobile

[jovial matrix]

The cutty is beautiful, idk what you mean

[vestal ravine]

This was my starter ship and I still love it.

[silk ridge]

Replace those ugly little wing thingies in the front with another pair of VTOLs and I might be able to agree to some extend

[ivory gust]

You can't spawn in C8R

[ivory gust]

3 pizzas but also much cheaper in game (5k rent, 170k buy) than similarly priced things. Ground vehicles are very overpriced for pledge

[silk ridge]

The C8R is Size 1, just like the C8X. S1 ships are spawnable on outposts

[ivory gust]

Oh, I thought you meant respawn in it with the medical bed. Carry on then

[silk ridge]

CIG is sadly not nice enough to make it a spawn-bed .... god that would be amazing

[sour wagon]

poking my head out during my SC hibernation. how has mining changed in the past year?

[bold yew]

They added gadgets, but rock scanning is still jenky and lots of dead rocks. Still fun though

The scanning issue might be better on 3.18 in ptu though so there is hope. It is still prob the most fun non combat loop in the game.

Prospector is still the best ship, no real point in using the mole unless it is just for fun.

Oh oddly enough ROC mining is supposedly pretty good right now.

[velvet totem]

I feel like 80% of rocks arent scannable these days

pretty insane

[bold yew]

Even if you wait around a few min they still don't populate?

I stopped mining a few months back, but the sanning was pretty bad then too. I did have a trick where I would find some good rocks, go get a sammich and by the time I would get back they would become scannable.

[faint lance]

does this mean theres only 50 SCU in stock??

[ivory gust]

Yes, at most, and that amount is shared across all servers

[faint lance]

here what does the 2,500 represent, units or other?

[ivory gust]

Units

100 units = 1 SCU iirc

[faint lance]

so 25 SCU of slam is 300k UEC to purchase but there is 50SCU in stock? that is what i understand

[ivory gust]

Yes, but you'll never see 50 SCU in stock since other players will have bought some

[faint lance]

is there any way to see how much is in stock because i cant understand this

[ivory gust]

The only way to see how much is currently in stock is go to the location

[faint lance]

gotcha thats annoying

[little stratus]

how do i transfer the stuff in the ROC to my cutlass?

[ivory gust]

Open up the roc's rear hatch and drag the gems one by one

[little stratus]

right lets see how much this is worth...

oof 30k aUEC in an hour of ROC mining

that is...very sad

[faint lance]

if i have a full load and have to end task because it has crashed but it isnt crashing do i lose the cargo

[bronze valve]

Someone on Reddit mentioned just leave the ship eva out until you leave the ship channel then go back in. Worked great for me

For unscannable rocks

[faint lance]

?

[bronze valve]

Faster to just sell to the mining station itself until 3.18 adds the transfer all button @little stratus

[bronze valve]

No idea what you mean by crashed but isn't crashing. The process is hung/not responding?

[faint lance]

what is hung? but yeah it just doesnt responds and i have to close the program

[bronze valve]

Hung is like when it's not interactive and you can't interface with it at all. Windows usually says not responding when that happens. I know alt F4 respawns you at your starting location, idk about through task manager. You'll have to find out or it might be on google

[faint lance]

ah k

[analog atlas]

can someone help me quantanium mine?

[ivory gust]

Youtube

[bold yew]

BTW you don't have to do this. Most of the time we just take the ROC pull it out of the ship and sell it all that way.

[velvet totem]

Lancet imo

Slow and steady wins the race

Yes

Lancet I

Lancet II is for the MOLE

you can only install it on owned prospectors though, not rented ones

[jovial matrix]

Lyria, but you’ll need modules to break most of the rocks there

Quant explodes after 15 minutes once you extract it

[velvet totem]

https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/#Resources-that-require-a-spaceship

This is a very useful guide

I recommend checking it out

[jovial matrix]

You take them to a refinery, refine them (takes about a day), and then you load them into a cargo ship and sell them at one of the cities

[velvet totem]

its the only ship mining that is worth it at the moment.

[fierce harness]

C & M space trucking is looking for investors to invest in our small business. Doing so could earn you back major returns.

[blissful flume]

What is the best method for mid starters trading or mining?

[silk nova]

you're probably going to want to save up for at least a Freelancer Max for trade. It doesn't really get lucrative until you can haul large amounts. And even then, trade is kinda.. meh right now.

[hollow sedge]

Hey, so I have the C2 + Caterpillar and want to make some money pre-wipe, what are the routes I want to be doing and with what cargo?

[jovial matrix]

Trading isn’t really a good post-wipe method of making money

[hollow sedge]

I said pre-wipe?

[jovial matrix]

Ah

My bad lol

[silk nova]

that's a good question. all of the trade gurus I'd normally look to are on hiatus.

[hollow sedge]

Alright.

Thanks

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[plush flume]

Any chance a Banu Merchantman would be a good investment post-release? Just given its cargo volume and trading capabilities.

[hollow sedge]

Thank you.

[ivory gust]

Ask again in 10 years

[plush flume]

By post-release I mean the ship lol

The game is never coming out

[ivory gust]

Fine, ask again in 2 years

[silk nova]

BMM is a weird one cus like yeah it should have massive volume but its supposed to be like a flying mini-mall? IDK, I feel like it would have huge running costs vs something like a Hull-C,D.

[ivory gust]

If the BMM came out right now it would absolutely not be worth it, since the cargo capacity is too large to be useful atm (and yet somehow Hull C is coming soon), and the trading capabilities aren't a thing

[plush flume]

Huh, interesting

[silk nova]

Right, but even post release is it supposed to be a trade vessel in that capacity? I'm sure it could but I don't think I would choose it for strictly trade. We'll see though

[marble crater]

Landing your BMM at a tiny ground outpost might be problematic

[plush flume]

I guess it is meant to be more of a space mall

My fleet is just a BMM, an A2, and a Ballista so it’s pretty weird

[marble crater]

The systems for large scale space trading aren't in game yet. Will be interesting to see it develop

[plush flume]

Yep!

[marble crater]

I think once we have a couple more systems in game the BMM will be immensely useful. Just less so when we're stuck in Stanton

[plush flume]

Yes, I hope it can at least be profitable enough to subsidize buying other ships

[silk nova]

Yeah the BMM is just confusing to me. I have no idea what they plan on doing with it in the future

[cerulean lichen]

So with the hull c being a thing soon, is there any improvements coming with trading soon or is it just loading cargo manually now?

[ivory gust]

No changes to loading or unloading currently. The only change is that pirates can actually take your cargo when they take your ship

[cerulean lichen]

Ahh ok. We’re there missions to be added as well or was that talked about for a future thing

[cerulean lichen]

Ok I did look it up, it’s been talked about but not for 3.18. Hopefully they won’t be far behind 3.18

[ivory gust]

Hopefully we get missions before the Hull C comes out

[cerulean lichen]

Yah 3.18 should make those missions possible with being able to move those large containers. Heck it be more fun than the current trading system. So instead of being freelance merchants we would become space truckers, moving already paid for goods

[little stratus]

is there a way to improve ROC profit/h

[silk nova]

they kinda have to solve elevator doors before physical loading can be a thing. plus a lot of ships will need another pass

[ivory gust]

Get more efficient with scanning and mining

[elder talon]

wow i really love it when the landing services bug out

and my ship explodes

classic

[ivory gust]

Did you land a ship full of Quant in a hangar?

Don't do that

[elder talon]

yeah

ive always been doing this never had problems

until that

i think it was just the landing services bugging out since it was going to impound my ship in the hangar that told me to land

[lusty granite]

is the RAFT any good for cargo hauling?

[jovial matrix]

It’s not very good

[lusty granite]

oh ok lol

[cloud canopy]

although might be better later this year when it gets it's autoloading system and tractor

[stiff sedge]

Yela

[jovial matrix]

You can’t warp directly to it, gotta look up a guide on how to fly there

[nocturne lava]

I was hoping to have a bit more of an indepth look at cargo

Let's say you had one of the ships with the most scu of storage in the game. The C2, the caterpillar, something like that

If you wanted to completely fill up your cargo hold with something as quick as possible, and go sell it, such as scrap or waste, would you make any decent profit? Or are smaller ships the way to go, since you can't buy an exorbitant amount of expensive stuff at once anyway?

TLDR: Is it more profitable to take a smaller cargo capacity ship and do fast runs of drugs or ore, or one huge C2 completely filled with Scrap or Waste?

I have been using the SC Trade Tools site, and I still don't fully understand what some of this stuff means. For example: There's a section here that just says go to samson and son's salvage, but it says "empty cargo". Why go there if you aren't buying something? Can someone explain?

And it tells you to buy X amount of cargo at these locations, but I've gone to some of them and it won't allow me to buy nearly as much as it says I should buy.

[nocturne lava]

Okay thank you for the advice

[velvet totem]

Do we know why CIG made it so only Quantanium is worth mining?

[dull wadi]

Hey guys where can I find good upgrades for ROC?

[vestal ravine]

Evra: I sent you a DM with some general advice on trading feel free to take a look at it. Figuring out trading can take weeks of effort and generally lots of investment dollars.

[cerulean lichen]

Guesses at final price of the vulture?

[ivory gust]

You're flying from Samson to shady Glen, empty. You just sold scrap there.

[nocturne lava]

I see! thank you

[ivory gust]

Scrap and waste aren't worth it. For the larger ships you want to look at something like titanium that still offers enough quantity to fill but has decent profit.

[kindred gust]

Lavanite

[ivory gust]

Laranite I assume you mean.

It's not available in quantities large enough to be an exclusive purchase, but you can buy all the available laranite and then fill the rest of your hold with titanium

[jovial matrix]

You don’t need to upgrade anything on the roc, it’s good stock

[dull wadi]

oh its not worth?

[jovial matrix]

No, none of the upgrades that you can make to it will make a difference

[kindred gust]

Yes I traded a MSR full of Laranite for a 68k profit

[ivory gust]

Then you got extremely lucky to be able to buy that much

[velvet totem]

Anyone know the "meta" modules to use on the Prospector and MOLE for mining Quantanium? I have Lancet mining heads on but not sure what to use for the modules for them.

[ivory gust]

2 Surge, 1 Stampede

[velvet totem]

Thank you!

[whole mason]

hey guys, i just reinstalled after like a year...when trading do you still have to wait at the selling terminal forever to offload goods, or can you just sell all of what you have instantly?

[ivory gust]

Depends on what you're selling and where.

Some commodities at some locations you may have to wait because demand is so low

[whole mason]

Damn. So it's still a lot of downtime

My old route was buying and selling widow. Can't really remember where I ran it. I'll try some stuff tonight. Thanks man!

[jovial matrix]

That’s why it took so long to sell, widow is a drug and some drugs are bought in extremely small quantities at a time

Stay away from widow, slam, and maze

[whole mason]

Would normal stuff take a long time? Like legal stuff lol

[jovial matrix]

It would take a lot less time

[whole mason]

Okay cool. Thanks

[regal wind]

Any good cargo ships?

[jovial matrix]

C2, caterpillar, M2, carrack are all top of the line cargo ships. List is in order from best to worst

[lusty granite]

where is the best routes? I was running NT-999-XX to brio's breaker yard but I can only buy like 6 scu of cargo at a time before they're out of stock

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[jovial matrix]

Don’t run drugs

They have good profits on paper, but they’re bought and sold in such small quantities that it’s not worth it

[lusty granite]

oh ok thanks

the trade tools website doesn't show anything other than drugs

[ivory gust]

Exclude the "vice" category

[lusty granite]

oh ok cool thanks

[warped canopy]

has anyone bought the hull-c yet and do you think it is worth the price?

[jovial matrix]

Seeing as the hull c isn’t flyable yet, nobody really knows if it’s worth the price

[warped canopy]

fair enough

[little stratus]

if you plesge for it right now you get a loaner C2 and Hull A for $350, these ships if bought separately would be $490 so if you want to think about it this way

[warped canopy]

Oh really? I didn’t know that. That’s definitely nice

[burnt storm]

It’s likely to go up in price so now’s a good time to either get it or at least grab a CCU from the starfarer Gemini to it or something to lock in the price

[faint lance]

what should i buy? looking for C2

[little stratus]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[cerulean lichen]

Got myself a vulture ccu thanks to a cool guy! Looking forward to salvage now.

Where were wrecks spawning. I know Lagrange points, and maybe Arron halo, but was planet surfaces also a option?

[faint lance]

asteroid fields

[regal wind]

New update u can sell drugs no small amount

[cosmic otter]

how am i supposed to mine anything with a rented prospector if the mining head is simply incapable of breaking rocks

[ivory gust]

Simple: Don't rent a prospector

The mining head is capable of breaking small to medium non-Quant rocks...which is basically not worth the time.

For the same price, a rental ROC and Cutlass will make more money.

[cosmic otter]

do those handheld mining gadgets do anything?

idk im not up to date with mining

[ivory gust]

Yes, and it is technically possible to mine quant rocks with a stock prospector using them, but in my experience it is not worth the time or trouble.

[cosmic otter]

ugh

idk if i want to trade in my retaliator gunship warbond for a prospector then

having a one shot kill on any bounty is cool but damn that things slow

i think i enjoy mining more

guess we do a little melting

[ivory gust]

I tried the Retaliator this patch and was not impressed. Slow and not fun to fly. If I'm going to chain ERTs, it's Eclipse for me.

[cosmic otter]

aye, i just saw i could get a retaliator for half price a while ago and thought a big torpedo boat would be great. i did not know it handled like a moon. plus the grind just to get ERTs is insane. mining quant seems to be the way to go for me.

[velvet totem]

Want to borrow my upgraded MOLE or Prospector?

See if they're worth buying for you?

[velvet totem]

Yay!

Now they just need to make it so Quantanium doesnt explode/go inert when you dock xD

[little stratus]

what modules do i need to equip to crack rocks using a prospector?

right now even on 100% power the rock's not budging

[twin basin]

Lancet mining head and at least one Torrent, etc. Some people like Surge modules and such.

Though a prospector can't really crack rocks bigger than 5k without Surge or handheld gadgets

[little stratus]

wdym rocks bigger than 5k?

[twin basin]

Mass

[little stratus]

how do i see the mass?

[twin basin]

By looking at the rock. Its one of the stats on it.

[little stratus]

oh

mine says 8403

[twin basin]

yeah there is no chance you're cracking that in a solo prospector

[little stratus]

oof

[glacial dagger]

For prospectors, unless your using stampedes, your better off sticking to asteroid fields/the Aaron Halo

[little stratus]

can a stock prospector harvest anything?

[glacial dagger]

It can, but you would be better off saving up for a Lancet or Helix

[little stratus]

hmm aight

back to ROC mining i go

[sick phoenix]

i'm thinking that i want to do asteroid mining with my prospector...

what are the best ways to get to the asteroids?

[velvet totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572706150286622720/1059531593842167888/cru_l1.png

I like to use this image to find when to drop out of Quantum Travel to land in the halo

[sick phoenix]

oh wow it's pinned

well i'll be sure to put a prospector at CRU-L1

[little stratus]

how do i know what mining modules fit on the prospector?

[sick phoenix]

do yall have a decent prospector fit

[velvet totem]

All mining modules do

[ivory gust]

That is super out of date

[ivory gust]

https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[velvet totem]

I use it daily and always seem to find the halo without issue 🤷‍♂️

Whats out of date about it?

[velvet totem]

Also that link you posted seems to just have a bunch of useless data like routes to different less efficient refineries

[ivory gust]

...Look at the destination planets. Delamar hasn't been in the game in ages

[velvet totem]

I just go to Aaron's halo

To mine

[ivory gust]

If you're mining on Lyria, you may be based at ARC-L1, so knowing those routes is good.

The efficiency difference between refineries is negligible.

[velvet totem]

He asked about asteroid mining

Not moons

[ivory gust]

I mean yes, obviously, but there is no Delamar in the game and there hasn't been in a long time.

Plus, the website I linked lets you know where to drop out to land in any of the bands of the Halo, not just "somewhere in this zone"

[velvet totem]

Does it matter which band you drop out of?

If you drop out at any point, you'll be surrounded with 100000 asteroids to mine from

[ivory gust]

Yes, obviously.

If you normally mine on Lyria or have previously mined on Lyria and want to go to the asteroid belt instead for a trip, you want to start from ARC-L1, not fly all the way to CRU L1 to start.

[ivory gust]

Yes, some parts of the halo are basically empty.

[ivory gust]

No, some parts of the halo are basically empty.

[velvet totem]

I havent seen that yet

I just drop out at the edge

[marble crater]

Band 1 is extremely light on asteroids. CStone has all the up to date info

[velvet totem]

I'll have to check it out when I get back on tomorrow. Seems complicated

[marble crater]

The CStone crew put an insane amount of work plotting everything, quite an interesting read
https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/65-aaron-halo-detailed-shape-and-density-survey

[bleak turtle]

anyone down for some mining missions?

[pliant matrix]

now that it's been some weeks since ptu is open. Can someone tell me how profitable salvaging is?
I heard around 200k/hours some times ago

[rotund reef]

12 SCU of RMC (the cargo grid capacity of a vulture) is around 95k

[mellow mural]

can i use my hull c in game now

[pliant matrix]

how many time to fill it tho?

[rotund reef]

no, but sometime this year

[rotund reef]

it depends. not horribly long imo

[pliant matrix]

It seems more profitable than roc mining to you at the moment?

[rotund reef]

I've never done ROC mining but I'd say yes, theres at least less hassle to it

Just flying in and out of TDDs to sell direct

[pliant matrix]

🤔 I see. Roc mining is 200k/hour with average luck but it needs a ship to carry the roc and sometimes gear for temperature. Also very dependent of server lags

[rotund reef]

You also dont have to spend much time searching

wrecks are plentiful atm

[pliant matrix]

even if it makes a bit less income salvage might be more relaxing

I'm trying to prepare the most efficient hangar for 3.18

already have vulture prepared but also taurus for roc carrying and a bit of cargo

[rotund reef]

I will say salvage is very relaxing to me

[plain silo]

what does cSCU stand for?

[silk nova]

SCU is "standard cargo unit"

just a way to measure cargo volume

[plain silo]

what about the little c infront?

[silk nova]

oh, didn't see that. I'm seeing that 1 SCU = 100 cSCU

basically centiSCU

[plain silo]

Ohh k thanks

[plain silo]

How do you prepare, isn’t there gonna be a wipe, do you keep your ships?

[pliant matrix]

managing my pledges

[plain silo]

Oh k

[lusty granite]

using the sc trade tools website is there any way to block trade routes that aren't always in stock?

[north oyster]

Depending upon your starting aUEC and pledge ship, you can be back in the cash flow relatively fast.
The quickest way (if you don't care to bounties) is to rent a ROC and Cutlass Black (Pembroke armor recommended too)

[north oyster]

Stock is dynamic and because CIG isn't offering any API links to live trade data, the trade sites can only offer static information

It's experience in trade routes and commodities that pay off here

Don't think laranite is going to be available

It's a ghost that will not die

[pliant matrix]

unless you're very lucky yeah Laranite is barely touchable

tho I think what @lusty granite meant is how to not see the route with waiting time. For that you have to play with those buttons

[lusty granite]

ok, thanks for all the info!

[ivory gust]

You can also specifically exclude individual commodities

[lusty granite]

I just lost 500k when I tried to go down the elevator in my c2 during quantum, is there any way to reclaim my c2 with the cargo in it?

[ivory gust]

Stay with the detached elevator in space, wait for the C2 to arrive at its destination, then click the elevator button

[lusty granite]

I panicked and alt f4ed cause I didn't have my helmet on

[ivory gust]

Then you're screwed, because the ship is gone

[lusty granite]

it just booted me out of the ship

[lusty granite]

ok

[ivory gust]

Always wear flight suit and helmet when in space

[lusty granite]

I was drinking

[ivory gust]

Don't drink and fly

[velvet totem]

also dont drink while in space

[jade plinth]

Anyone need bodies for their mole

[halcyon wharf]

So i got an Argo Mole... i dont realy get the different stats for the mining heads and i read about support Heads? If i would do multicrew mining is there a good setup for the mole?

[tidal crow]

Go check out "Loud Guns" on YouTube. He does SC content and has a whole playlist on mining. I don't remember exactly which video it is, but he breaks down all the pros and cons of mining components and production vs pricing, etc. Even complete with spreadsheets. He has great info in general.

[tranquil palm]

I run the Mole with MH2 Lancets along with a Stampede and 2 Surges. You can break any size rock you want with that setup. You can also throw on a filter module to filter out inert gases to get a cleaner load.

[velvet totem]

Filter module? Inert gases? What??

[tranquil palm]

FLTR-XL Module minus 20% inert gases taken into load

[velvet totem]

is there a difference between inert gases and inert materials?

I've never seen the term inert gases used before

[tranquil palm]

Materials, sorry

[robust juniper]

Shouldnt the Hull-C be able to load cargo at Orison when it comes? since its a floathing city. Im just thinking loud

[warped canopy]

I think it’s more of an issue of gravity. The containers would just fall off and there’d be no good way to move them in atmo. At a station they could just float the containers off/on the ship

[kindred gust]

Where do u get the surge Module? Haven’t found it in ARC L1

[little stratus]

!itemfinder

[wary tusk]

Universal Item Finder

Use the website to search for any item (and where to buy them) in-game.

[sick phoenix]

for roc mining - what am i looking for

these are rocks i need the prospector for, right?

[jovial matrix]

yes

when you're pinging for rocks, only investigate boxes that pop up at 3k away or less

they'll show up as a blue diamond icon instead of a rock icon

[little stratus]

what kind of loadout should i get for a prospector for quantanium mining?

[velvet totem]

MH1 Lancet along with a Stampede and 2 Surges

[tidal crow]

Is the 315p a good early-game hauler? at 12 SCU I feel like it might be a good solo carrier.

[cerulean lichen]

Depends what you haul and how much you want to spend. More cargo space is always better.

[sick phoenix]

ok roc mining pretty fun

the collection aspect seems a bit finnicky

[ivory gust]

It's not a gravity thing, it's a landing gear thing that prevents it from landing fully loaded

[jovial matrix]

for drugs its alright, for normal commodities it sucks

[tidal crow]

Even with 12 SCU?

[jovial matrix]

yes

12SCU is nothing when it comes to trading legal commodities

[sick phoenix]

checking in here again to ask what the best fit is for a prospector

quant mining of course

[sick phoenix]

do i need to worry about coolers/power plants/shields

[twin basin]

shields maybe, depends on how often you plan to accidentally blow rocks up in your face

As for quant on a prospector, Lancet mining head and then your choice of modules. Surge is popular, Torrent is also popular, etc, etc @sick phoenix

[sick phoenix]

i had modules

and then i accidentally claimed the prospector

because i was trying to claim my cutty black

[sick phoenix]

from what i can tell i want to use surge/brandt/FLTR-XL

i'm planning for belt mining

[ivory gust]

For belt mining you don't need any modules in particular, it's just whatever you want to make your life easier.

You want Lancet MH1 mining head, and you don't need a Brandt module with that.

Shield, powerplant, coolers, the stock ones are fine.

Quantum drive you want either an Atlas (if you want to be able to make long trips) or Spectre (if you just want fastest short trips between belt and refinery)

[sick phoenix]

i may consider spectre. i slotted atlas atm tho

but while you're here i wanna make sure, when can i extract?

is it when the outline's purple?

ok it was

time to take this quantanium back to base

is there a max number of work orders you can have?

also first haul

[vestal ravine]

2539 Damn women you gonna be rich in one haul!!

[sick phoenix]

i could have had more

i fucked up tho

this was the one i went to mine

[sonic laurel]

All those delicious inert materials

[sick phoenix]

yeah i learned a lesson there

a lesson that i will hopefully not be repeating

mining is nice though!

fun

it's pretty chill

[vestal ravine]

But still, I'll take that rock any day!

Buying and selling drugs has it's stressful charms to.

[sick phoenix]

fucking BIG money

[jovial matrix]

Nice

[vestal ravine]

Now you're driving me crazy.

[sick phoenix]

if anything im sad cause my prospector probably wont be able to fit it all

[vestal ravine]

Hey you have to get that inert under 25%!

[sick phoenix]

true. i might be able to get a full 32 scu of quant

times like these i wish i had the filter

i did not need the filter

[jovial matrix]

Goddamn

[sick phoenix]

absolute dream

no crash, no 30k... finally

this is like

the first time i've had moneymaking go well

[ivory gust]

No, there's no max

[sick phoenix]

bless

[ivory gust]

In my experience the filter is largely useless since it only gets rid of "inert materials" not trash ores like quartz

[sick phoenix]

i mean yeah that makes sense, especially when you get rocks that have full quant. but i'm doing space mining and the size of the asteroids are all pretty consistent so i don't really see any reason to not take it

because like what other module am i going to put on there

[ivory gust]

None

So that way if you have to claim the ship or whatever you don't lose anything

[sick phoenix]

fair point

[forest roost]

where's the best place to mine if I've got a rental MISC prospector

can't use any modules so quant is kinda off the table

my laser isn't able to mine most of them and the ones I am able to are too unstable and I usually end up overcharging them and losing the fragments

are quant nodes easier to mine in space? I've just been doing surface mining

I heard we used to be able to upgrade the rentals I wonder why they removed that feature

[zenith maple]

believe this still is accurate. https://redmonstergaming.com/mining-cheat-sheets/

shows locations and all the good stuff

[elder talon]

Ok so I was cracking rocks of quant until it did then my prospector sort of malfunctioned? then it said anomaly on the hud

then i cant quant jump anymore

and it says like low power or something

[velvet totem]

Sounds like your ship took engine damage

[sick phoenix]

so lemme get this right, if i wanna go mining for quant in space, i shouldn't be using the belt?

or should i use the belt?

[velvet totem]

the belt is great

thats where i mine quant

[sick phoenix]

yeah same rn

i just don't know if there's better

the link implies as much

[elder talon]

yeah but it never exploded

it cracked safely in the optimal range

[sick phoenix]

i can scan none...

today aint my day

i am really feeling the unscannable bug

[velvet totem]

its the most annoying bug in the game imo

And I didnt see anything in 3.18 about fixing it

[sick phoenix]

the best i've seen so far this run... i'm probably gonna take it and then reset my position

[tropic swallow]

@blissful peak

[blissful peak]

yes

[tropic swallow]

It’s likely that you bought the 100k of cargo that was in stock

The trade terminals have a supply that is linked to all game servers

That means EVERYONE who buys there buys from the same pot

[blissful peak]

i got 69eUEC thats 69.000 so ?

[tropic swallow]

So what you want to do in C2 is load up 69 SC larinite, and then fill the rest with titanium 🙂

Ahhh

[blissful peak]

oh ok

and where do i sell

[tropic swallow]

It said to buy 69.600

I think it is a formatting error

But it wants you to buy 696 SCU of larinite

Whereas there was only 69 SCU available

[blissful peak]

oh

[tropic swallow]

Lorville CBD

[blissful peak]

how can i get more

than

[tropic swallow]

Wait..

If you want a full load of larinite you have to wait

[blissful peak]

ok

i just want max profit

[tropic swallow]

Otherwise, I do this:

As much larinite as I can get
Then Titanium
Then next etc…

[blissful peak]

can u vc later ?

[tropic swallow]

The max aUEC per hour is to not wait, but take larinite and some commodities that are less expensive

[blissful peak]

cause i first wanan fix idk why it crashes but i need to fix it

[tropic swallow]

Not really 😅 I’m on top of a mountain in France 😂

[blissful peak]

ahh haha

im going february to Zugspitze

[tropic swallow]

Skiing?

[blissful peak]

Snowboarding

[tropic swallow]

What I can do is try to see is one of my friends can help you if you want

[tropic swallow]

👀

[blissful peak]

but i can do both cause I come from a mounty region in Bulgaria and they teached us from little kids

[blissful peak]

yes that would be great

[tropic swallow]

Jealous! I’ve got a 13..16 hour drive to get to the alps

[blissful peak]

i live in germany and for me it like 3h

and 4h to netherlands where i windsurf

[tropic swallow]

😡

[blissful peak]

but i like windsurfing more in my homecountry bulgaria cause

its more warm and beautifull and better partys

better people

[sick phoenix]

when going in to sell, do you have to be able to fit all the refined ore in at once?

like, what happens if there's excess

[tropic swallow]

Than will fit i. Your ship?

[sick phoenix]

yes

[tropic swallow]

I think you will be able to put the rest in

Another ship..?

I usually keep the loads smaller than the highest ship capacity that I have though

[sick phoenix]

ok as long as it doesn't delete the whole order. but yeah

[tropic swallow]

To avoid potentially loosing some

[sick phoenix]

i was gonna do the same thing lol.

[tropic swallow]

It won’t delete the whole order

But you potentially might loose some if it doesn’t save it

[sick phoenix]

fair enough

[velvet totem]

When you guys think of a miner in Star Citizen do you think of the color yellow? Or orange?

[tropic swallow]

Orange or silver because mole and prospector

Maybe white and blue

But the armour is yellow

It’s so hard to really think of one colour

[velvet totem]

hence my question lol

[sick phoenix]

where do yall go to sell refined minerals

[velvet totem]

multiple companies in Star Citizen make mining ships and they all have their own aesthetic so I dont think basing a miner's aesthetics on a particular ship works

[velvet totem]

Any capital city. they all sell for the same amount

[sick phoenix]

ok but also orison kekw

[kindred gust]

At Admin Station

[velvet totem]

Only gems, not refined minerals

[kindred gust]

When I sell my refined quantanium, I go to admin station 🤷‍♂️

[tropic swallow]

Unrefined Minerals:

Any refinery station.

Refined Metals:

Orison: TDD
Lorville: CBD
New Babbage: TDD
Area 18: TDD

Miner Gems:
Any admin terminal/ trade console (including outposts)

[velvet totem]

Sounds like I bug i've never heard anyone else having

You definitely cant sell refined quantanium at admin centers normally

[kindred gust]

I originally was following a YT tutorial. The guy was doing it there 🤷‍♂️

[tropic swallow]

I remember when you could sell titanium at an admin centre

I miss being able to sell goods to stations

[velvet totem]

🤷‍♂️

Definitely not the case anymore

[kindred gust]

Ok

[ivory gust]

Which one?

[ivory gust]

Yes. Any excess is lost.

[kindred gust]

Idk some random guy, too long ago

[sterile tangle]

Can someone help me with mining i just got the mole

[warped canopy]

do you already know how to mine or are you just looking for a crew?

[sterile tangle]

idk at all how to mine

my friend gave me 20 mil and i spent it on a mole

because apparently mining is good

im new to sc

[sterile tangle]

so idk

[velvet totem]

https://youtu.be/lTI8N7NnxsM

Watch this

[sterile tangle]

ok

[ivory gust]

Since you should have ~15M left over, go buy a prospector and use that instead

Prospector is much simpler to learn on since it's designed to be used by only one person

[sterile tangle]

yea but i like a challenge

[ivory gust]

I mean...it's not a challenge by comparison, it's just more annoying to use solo. But you do you

[sick phoenix]

how do i know if i have my cargo to sell on board

[velvet totem]

Mole can make you more money/hr solo anyways once you learn all the tips in tricks I sent you in that tutorial

I always found it waay more fun and efficient though mining with a friend

[sterile tangle]

I cant seem to add attachments to my mole

Its in the moles inventory

[velvet totem]

take it out of the inventory

store the mole in a station using the fleet hanger terminal

store the modules in the station's inventory

use vehicle loadout manager to install the modules onto the ship

retrieve MOLE and it will have them installed.

[little stratus]

MOLE mining is fking annoying solo

[velvet totem]

I almost always mine with friends so luckily I dont have to worry about it 😛

[sick phoenix]

man

what's causing this unscannable bug

also if it's unscannable is it unmineable

is there a fix

or is it just cope

i have a hard time believing it's "cope" when i can scan like one in five locations

[sick phoenix]

well it is kinda crazy though how all it takes is one rock and boom full prospector

i dunno how you're supposed to belt with the mole... if you are

[elder talon]

idk the cause but its hella annoying yeah, no choice but to just move on and find another

usually that bug mostly happens when i mine quant in the belt

rarely does it happen to me in lyria

[sick phoenix]

honestly i'd much rather belt mine than lyria

only because the income is much more consistent + i won't need to have anything bigger than a prospector

and less pirates around

everyone knows by now that lyria's the place where the miners are

so really if the downside of belt mining is the frustration of being unable to scan rocks? works for me

[ivory gust]

pretty much just cope. in a prospector you can see what the asteroid type is from 12km away, which also tells you if it's unscannable

[sick phoenix]

i haven't been doing this admittedly, i've been flying within range to see it from a 180 degree scan

[ivory gust]

The ability to scan at 12km is one of the main advantages of the belt over Lyria

[sick phoenix]

yeah i need to start narrowing the range down and scanning from afar

look for q type and go

[vestal ravine]

Qne more day of Seige then I'm back to space trucking.

[ivory gust]

https://tenor.com/view/les-miserables-one-day-more-amanda-seyfried-gif-7843155

[sick phoenix]

ok sometimes i see a good thing of quant

and i wish i did have more room in the prospector

three rocks of 45% quant....

[cobalt blaze]

i just got the game starting with an avenger i need somone who can show me how to star mining and making money

[sick phoenix]

how much auec do you have

[cobalt blaze]

25k

[sick phoenix]

ok, i don't remember what the costs are... but you want to get enough to rent a greycat ROC and a drake cutlass black

[hollow sedge]

You can make more when it’s refined right?

[jovial matrix]

Yeah, refining ore doubles its value

[hollow sedge]

Thank You!

[ivory gust]

Yep, that's why I started using the MOLE instead. Sometimes it's just frustrating overhead for no gain, but sometimes you get this:

[tropic swallow]

And then. Boom. It all turns to inert material

[ivory gust]

No, it didn't, because I know better than to land in a hangar.

[tropic swallow]

Mine did it before I even got there

[ivory gust]

If it happens while still in space, and not because the timer ran out, that's just a display bug

[tropic swallow]

I had, 80 SCU Quant. And 8 of some other random shit…

The game showed it as 96SCU inert after a QT jump

Then the game crashed for everyone on the mole

But not for the escort pilot 😭

[jovial matrix]

respect for actually hiring an escort

[tropic swallow]

I do multi crew for group play rather than more money 😝

[ivory gust]

Yeah, that was likely just a display bug. RIP due to crash though

[sick phoenix]

haha. admittedly i like the idea but i'm not gonna get consistently more than one rock at a time so i'm chill where i am

and as others said i'd prefer taking the mole for group activity

and regarding group activity i don't even know how you'd divvy up the results of your expedition with multiple people!

[hollow sedge]

Isn’t there like fact sheets on how much each ore is?

I thought there was

[misty coyote]

Here

[sick phoenix]

so is belt mining bad then?

should i be mining near the L3-A areas?

[tropic swallow]

Lemme see if I can find an example of what I do

[tropic swallow]

Do you mind if I DM it to you?

[sick phoenix]

sure go ahead

[tropic swallow]

👍

[sick phoenix]

you know i think about it

and like, if we have a "risk scale" for mining and stuff

mining everything is low risk except quantanium which i would put at medium risk at best

because the risk is the timer

no special handling procedures, no dangers from the rock

what would yall say makes a high risk mineral?

(if you ask me i think the timer until detonation is a cop out method of avoiding making an actual risky haul)

[hollow sedge]

if im doing a cargo run in C2 and some player attacks me, what should i do?

[velvet totem]

mining a higher quality/rare ore (more rare than quantanium) out in Pyro where safety isnt close and has increased hostile activity (weather that be NPCs or players)

True "deep space" mining

[sick phoenix]

i do think that presence of hostiles should be a factor yeah

cause rn the timer on quant is a pseudo risk

but utterly mitigatable

[velvet totem]

yeah im not a big fan of it personally

rather have different risks than timers

[sick phoenix]

yeah

i think presence of hostiles is a good risk

i also think that instead of simple timers to represent volatility there should be special handling procedures

[velvet totem]

Yes special handling is much better than a timer

[sick phoenix]

like racking up too many g's makes the cargo more volatile

volatile cargo in a danger close area...

well tbh those would be silly tho

like from the pirate pov yeah quant is worth money but they would want to steal the finished product

[jovial matrix]

If you’re able to, just warp away. Don’t run in a straight line, try and be evasive. If they do have a mantis/cutty blue, then you have to try and destroy it, as that’s your only way to escape. Don’t randomely dumo flares and chaff, that doesn’t help you. If you’re able to warp out, then continue warping to different places. It’s pretty easy for your aggressor to chase you if you only jump once and then stop

[sick phoenix]

tbh dropping out of warp could also be viable

right?

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

But if you’re panic jumping to an OM or something that’s hard to do

[sick phoenix]

fair point

[ivory gust]

I mean, if you screw up and overheat the rock when mining it can take out your ship

[sick phoenix]

that's the basics of mining though

if you operate under that logic all mining is at least medium risk

but i call it low risk because 1) this is the basics, and 2) you're expected to work around it as the fundamentals of "mining"

...those might be the same thing i'm bad with words

ANYWAYS that's not enough risk to make something high risk, even with the instability of quant. it does add extraction difficulty but it's manageable

[tropic swallow]

Necessary to avoid collision, or even possibly requiring a special storage while in QT like the materials in Xenotheat have

[sick phoenix]

i know nothing about these xenothreat mats

but i like the idea

[tropic swallow]

It would be interesting if you had to fly to a outpost and have them processed into containers for QT transit

Or have a special ship that could store them stably

[sick phoenix]

see if we had the ability to customize more of our ship i'd say have a special cargo hold fitting for it

[tropic swallow]

Likely thst will be available once modularity comes in proper

At least I hope it is

[sick phoenix]

oh it's in the works?

blessed

[tropic swallow]

Well modularity is

I don’t know about that specific kind of module

[vestal ravine]

Here are some tactics I use to mitigate the risk: when leaving a site select a QT target in advance, advance Velocity marker to Maximum, fly in uncoupled mode. Use VTOL mode to clear the site then turn them off and raise the landing gear. You can hit "C" and align to the QT marker. If you are attacked in open space and they are on your tail and you cannot QT away turn on uncoupled mode and swerve the ship back and forth from 10 to 2 o'clock and hit the Q and E keys to barrel roll every so often while flying directly away. The C2 can take a lot of damage. If you get EMP damage/disabled stay in seat and use F4 and the Z key to see what's going on around the ship. If they are human pirates and you see them floating to the ship to board they can use ship fire to open the ramps. If they are coming on board they usually come up the ladder you can go their with your gun and shoot down at them on first sight. Same way if they use the elevator. If they want to just blow the ship up I usually ALT F4 to save armor and guns.

[tropic swallow]

Hmmm…

It’s quite hard to take down a C2 even a Cat… whag with the S3 shields

Normally I do 50/50 to boosters and shields

Align with QT marker while in armistice and just full burn out

[unkempt trellis]

Just use the Cutlass? Like what?

[tropic swallow]

Cutlass has too small a cargo for significant reading

Tradin

[unkempt trellis]

A flotilla of Drake Cutlass Blacks then. Riding in on Krakens.

The Drake Cutlass Black is like duct tape, made out of duct tape.

If one didn’t work, you just need more Duct Tape.

[tropic swallow]

Sadly the kraken is gonna be shit in atmo

[unkempt trellis]

It’s not made for Atmo.

That’s why it has the Drake Cutlass Black.

It’s like the monster from Clover Field.

[tropic swallow]

I think you rely on the cutty too much

[unkempt trellis]

It carry’s a bunch of tiny ships to go into the tunnels to get whatever job needs to be done.

[velvet totem]

Imagine using cutlass black over the cutlass steel

[tropic swallow]

Or the cutlass red

[velvet totem]

cutlass yellow, when?

does engineering/repairs?

[unkempt trellis]

Bruh! We don’t talk about the Cutlass steel. That’s a flat out cash grab by the devs that doesn’t need to exist. Especially since the cutlass black could have been made modular and just had those chairs inserted on rails.

Honestly, the Cutlass black should have just had rails installed and it could have been modular and be capable of doing anything.

Anyway, how cool would it be to see a three Krakens flying in a wedge formation as countless Cutlass Blacks fly out and around looking like a massive swarm of Drake Superiority.

[tropic swallow]

You know you can only fit like… 6 cutty blacks on a kraken?

[unkempt trellis]

Oh wait, I was talking about Clover Field.
Right so Clover field wasn’t able to get into the tunnels.

So, just like the Clover Field monster, the Kraken would have to have little babies (The Drake Cutlass Black) that would fly into Atmo (tunnels) for it.

[unkempt trellis]

Actually, I did not know that. I don’t really look at any other ships except the Cutlass Black. Still, Carriers are pretty cool. And besides, with the Cutlass Range, it doesn’t really need to be landed on the Kraken at all times, the Kraken just be used as like a mobile base a Cutlass pilot might stop at for a short time before leaving to do another sortie.

[tropic swallow]

😂

Sir you need to see a doctor

Please refer yourself to Maria Pure of Heart ASAP

[unkempt trellis]

The Drake Cutlass Black is a great ship that can get me there!

[sick phoenix]

oh god he's in here too

yeah the cutty black is getting shelved soon

for me

because i'm probably gonna switch to a freelancer max

prospector to mine, freelancer hauls

[jovial matrix]

I’m sorry for your loss

[sick phoenix]

wuh?

[sullen kite]

I feel like a lotta people are being contrarian about the Cutlass just for the sake of being contrarian because of how much people like it. The Cutlass is an amazing ship for what it is. It's not meant to be a cargo hauler for anyone seriously getting into cargo (at most rent it and do some cargo runs to get a better ship). It's first and foremost a pirate vessel to take some of your target's cargo. If your target thinks he's gonna lose all of his cargo he's gonna fight back and ideally piracy happens without violence. If he knows you'll only take 24 SCUs he'll cut his losses because he knows if he fights back the Cutlass is still armed enough to junk him. And a Cutlass in good hands can easily punch above its weight class or take on dedicated fighters. Not only that but it can do bunkers effectively, has multicrew capability and makes an excellent day to day flyer for just getting around, ontop of the utility for ROC mining

It's a great ship, it's just not hyper specialized

[jovial matrix]

I prefer the cutty over the freelancer max, freelanced max is pretty good tho

[ivory gust]

120 SCU vs 46 SCU, no contest

[jovial matrix]

For hauling yes, but for general purpose cutty is better imo

[sullen kite]

Cutlass is great for mining if you don't have the patience to fill up a larger ship

Because mining can be a bore sometimes

[sick phoenix]

don't get me wrong it's a good ship but holy fuck man i've heard enough about the cutty black today

[sullen kite]

You can fill up a cutlass and then (ill-advisedly) go claim a bounty on the way back to sell

[sick phoenix]

or do you mean the cutlass specifically

[sullen kite]

Cutlass black specifically since the blue and red are more specialized

the blue if you want more shooty and the red if you wanna rescue some poor soul and then loot him as extra payment

And steel if you want more multicrew shooty

[sick phoenix]

i don't think anyone disagrees

i think the black's good just holy hell i've heard enough today

[little stratus]

Blue has the same wep loadout as Black

its just got a QED stuffed in the rear instead of a cargo bay

[sullen kite]

Blue has more health however

[tropic swallow]

I went from the cutty to the F max and Connie andromeda

[tropic swallow]

And - I think less missiles to make up for the QED

I thought it was less missiles

[sick phoenix]

yeah, with how much mining's gonna end up a mainstay in my kit, i think i should invest into a freelancer max

and i should also kit it some

what modules should i put on it?

[tropic swallow]

I can’t really talk as I have had almost every ship at one point or another

[tropic swallow]

Which? The max?

[sick phoenix]

yeah

[jovial matrix]

Definitely get an XL-1 QT drive

The stock one sucks

[tropic swallow]

Yeah… you need the XL-1

[sick phoenix]

anything else worth upgrading?

[jovial matrix]

Not really

[sick phoenix]

one day maybe it will be worth it...

[pliant matrix]

it do works...

[velvet totem]

Just cant QT with it 😛

[pliant matrix]

you don't have to qt when roc mining I guess

I'm not sure I wont blow up anytime tho xD

[unkempt trellis]

As a Cutlass Owner, might I ask

What should I do to get my Cutlass red to travel faster in Quantum Jump?
Because I feel like whenever I take a rescue beacon mission I am always traveling way to slow for what should be ambulance racing through a traffic less road to get to a victim.

[pliant matrix]

change Quantum drive for a military one

[unkempt trellis]

What about the XL-1 qt drive?

[jovial matrix]

XL-1 is the best drive for a cutty red

[unkempt trellis]

Thank you

[pliant matrix]

I guess at some point I'll blow up because of damages right?

[jovial matrix]

Yup

[pliant matrix]

too bad. could have been a daily roc carrier but it's risky

[sick phoenix]

man the game really doesn't like spawning in prospectors

feels like each time i did so today it did a little hop

[sick phoenix]

welp... i had a prospector. and then it went kaboom because the payload was too funky

[ivory gust]

you landed in a hangar while you had quant onboard, didn't you

Don't call ATC. Float up to a closed hangar door and wait for your ship to get impounded. If you don't get the impound message in ~30seconds try a different hangar.

There are a bunch of bugs around quant and landing in hangars, only safe bet is to impound instead

[sick phoenix]

this is literally the first time this has happeneddddddd

[ivory gust]

Well, you can either be smart and impound, or continue to risk your load every time. Your choice

Even if it only happens one out of every like 40 runs, you're still better off impounding even if you pay every time

[quaint badge]

I've never used the impounded method, and I can only remember three times I've had it go kaboom. It's not a gigantic risk

[ivory gust]

Even if it only happens one out of every like 40 runs, you're still better off impounding even if you pay every time

[quaint badge]

What's the impound fee anyway? Last time I got impounded, my ship got impounded while in orbit of Ceillin and it was a 5 grand ticket

[jovial matrix]

impound fee is 5k

[ivory gust]

5k, and you only need to pay if you pull your ship out again within 15min. If you're taking a break or done for the day, it's free valet parking

[balmy knot]

question... is the SLAM route for a Taurus a viable option, or are there tons of pirates in the middle?

[jovial matrix]

No, trading slam, widow, or maze isn’t viable because those drugs are bought and sold in exetremely small quantities, meaning it’ll take you literal ages to sell any meaningful amount of any of those drugs

[balmy knot]

oof

All I got is a Taurus and 1M in seed money... what is the best option?

[jovial matrix]

Probably trading laranite/agricium/medical supplies. Go to a place that sells one of those commodities, buy all of it that’s avaliable, and then fill up any empty space with a cheaper commodity that still has a decent profit margin, like titanium

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[balmy knot]

Trade tools keeps telling me to buy SLAM...

[ivory gust]

Under commodities in the options, disallow "Vice"

[little stratus]

tbh vices should be disallowed by default

[little stratus]

medical supplies take forever to sell tho, even though they have high profit margins

[tropic swallow]

F

Gotta store it or run faster

[sick phoenix]

literally the second i touched down in the hanger i went from my 8 minutes or so to 0

immediately

"hmmm why are my cargo lights going off"

[tropic swallow]

I recommend you use the landing pads rather than the hangers

[sick phoenix]

i can't actually specify can i?

[tropic swallow]

And just sprint for the refinery deck

That’s what I do

It’s even easier now that the elevators are faster

[tropic swallow]

Uhm no you can’t call for one.. but it’s the trade off between speed, and safety

[slender magnet]

is there a specific place on lyria that is best for quant?

[jovial matrix]

You don’t have to request landing for a landing pad, so if you know where one is you can just go land immediately

Better option though would be to get impounded, like Chris said

[ivory gust]

It's a bug, doesn't matter how fast you run.

Always impound, never land

[sick phoenix]

that is LAME

[ivory gust]

Well, now you know

[sick phoenix]

i will also disregard only because i can cope with the loss tbh

simply how it is and i'd rather play as intended

[tropic swallow]

Landing on the pads you don’t have to call for does not cause it to happen

[ivory gust]

But also leaves you vulnerable to griefers for longer

[tropic swallow]

Yeah that’s what the running part was about

[slender magnet]

i hold N to use the automatic landing

does anyone know of a place on lyria that has good quant rocks

[ivory gust]

Literally anywhere

Get down to the surface and start scanning. Look for clusters, all clusters are quant

[slender magnet]

yh ofc but ive seen ppl say some areas are better due to the algorithm, ive looked for hours before without finding a good rock

[slender magnet]

yh ofc bu theyre relatively rare some times and even then they dont always have a good %

[ivory gust]

They lied

[slender magnet]

its not factual but more like what it seems

[tropic swallow]

It’s the same probability anywhere on the surface I believe..

I’ve heard that mountain/plain biome borders are quite good but never done the maths to verify

Hire a scout to look for you as well

If you can afford it

[balmy knot]

How am I supposed to read the OVI breakdown? based on sc-trade, I get more from mining minerals on Arial than I would mining Quantanium

[ivory gust]

sc-trade is wrong

Nothing other than Quantanium is worth mining at this time

[balmy knot]

is there a better tool?

according to sc-trade, i'll find quant on planets as well. I've never found them on planets

[ivory gust]

You don't need one...mine quant on Lyria (look for clusters) or the Aaron Halo belt (scan for Q-types at a distance)

[jovial matrix]

Do you mean Lyria?

[ivory gust]

I clearly said Lyria 😛 (yes, thanks)

[rigid seal]

just got the game figured out controls know how to get to my ship i just want some help to get started in mining if anybody could help me that would be great

[balmy knot]

Looking over sc-trade, it says Clio is better than Lyria

[unkempt trellis]

Press F Eleven and it opens up the server chat. I recommend asking for help there.

[rigid seal]

ok thanks

[ivory gust]

It's wrong.

Technically speaking, the Microtech moons do spawn Quantanium more often than Lyria, but Lyria has a bug feature where all clusters of mineable rocks are Quantanium, which makes finding Quantanium much easier since you just fly around looking for clusters.

[balmy knot]

thanks Chris

So... is there something other than sc-trade since that appears to be wrong all the time

[ivory gust]

You don't need to use whatever page you're looking at. All you need to know is this:

mine quant on Lyria (look for clusters) or the Aaron Halo belt (scan for Q-types at a distance)

[balmy knot]

has anyone had the bug where you are mining and the cargo goes from a mix to pure inert?

[ivory gust]

Assuming the 15 minute timer hadn't actually elapsed...

• If it happened and you're still out in space, it's just a display bug on the UI. You're fine and your ore will still be quant when you get to the refinery
• If it happened when landing in a hangar, you hit one of a number of bugs around landing in hangars. Don't land in hangars.

[north oyster]

I wonder how 3.18 will do with this issue. There's problems with having a ship impounded in 3.18 where it will vanish off the ASOP terminal

[eternal turtle]

hey guys, want to get into cargo hauling - would like to know what are the most profitable trading routes

[surreal glade]

Returning star citizen player from 6 months ago. I own a caterpillar and was wondering if there are any new good trade routes to make some solid money in this game

[misty coyote]

Nope...

Glib and likely not totally accurate... But it's as close to nope as to yes

[surreal glade]

Cargo hauling still scuffed? Is scrap trading back yet?

[misty coyote]

Nope....

I've seen vids of dug hauling, but its on the PTU, so no competition.

A few commodities you could buy... But it's a crap shoot as to making anything worth the time, vs losing all your investment

[bold yew]

Ya, I mine for money, but trade for fun but all it takes is a server hiccup and there goes the whole load. This can happen back to back pretty easily.

[rustic mural]

Hello! I am new to Quant mining and I was wondering if anyone had any advice on how to properly mine Quant rocks with 5k+ mass. I have tried using Surge and Stampede modules but I either under or over do it.

[vestal ravine]

Punk, Hi, Can I DM you some ideas on trading? Thanks!!

[ivory gust]

Surge is just a matter of practice and learning how much it jumps the level.

Alternately, you could print out a ruler that shows the exact distance it'll jump, and then hold that up to the screen to gauge it...

[rustic mural]

Hahahaha, good point fair enough

Another question, what does resistance and instability mean?

I suspect it has something to do with why my ship exploded once when I mined a deposit

[ivory gust]

Resistance represents how much power is needed to increase the rock's heat level. It, combined with mass, determine what laser power level would be needed to keep the rock's heat constant.

Instability is how much that will vary while mining. With 0 instability, you'll be able to keep the rock's heat level at an exact point by keeping your laser's power constant. With high instability, the rock's heat level will constantly vary so you'll need to adjust power to compensate.

[ivory gust]

That happens when you "overcook" a deposit. If the rock's "red zone" is filled at all when the rock pops, it will be more energetic. The more red there is, the more boom there is.

[rustic mural]

Ah I see

Thank you!

So do you think a Rieger-C2 Module (+8% Optimal Charge Window & +5% Resistance) is worth it then?

[ivory gust]

No

The problem with passive modules is that they're very expensive, and you lose modules when you claim a ship or it's destroyed

[rustic mural]

I see, what about a Forel module?

[ivory gust]

I use 2 surges and a stampede if mining on Lyria (to get the larger deposits), or no modules at all if mining in the belt (since not needed)

[rustic mural]

Nice, I am currently mining on Lyria

Do you think one is better over the other?

[ivory gust]

Each has advantages and disadvantages

[ivory gust]

Not worth it IMO--it doesn't increase the size of rocks you can do very much when compared to the Surge

The only other one that is worth considering is the Optimum instead of (or in addition to) the Stampede, since it can make it easier to hit the window

Lyria:

• Big rocks, good payout
• Easy to find quant since all clusters are quant

• Big rocks, hard to crack
• Possible for "pirates" to find you, and harder to get away
• Have to deal with gravity (and chunks sometimes fall through the ground)

Aaron Halo Belt:

• Max rock size is 5.2k so no modules needed
• Can determine rock type from up to 12km using active ping angle tuning so you don't need to get close to see what something is
• No gravity or ground to hit
• Basically impossible for pirates to find you

• Lots of bugged/unscannable rocks
• Max rock size is 5.2k so harder to find a single rock that will fill a Prospector

[rustic mural]

Thank you so much for the help, this is all extremely useful! I will try to use the Optimum too, just bought it

[rustic mural]

@ivory gust Is my game bugged or am I doing something wrong? The rock does not seem to want to be scanned

[ivory gust]

That's an unscannable, it happens sometimes but is fairly rare on Lyria. When you see them on Lyria it means it's time to switch to a different server by heading to space, log out in bed, then log back in

[rustic mural]

Just my luck hahaha, cool will do, thanks!

My luck continues: Got out of my seat after getting to space and fell to the floor - does this mean I am dying or is there a way to get up? Edit: Managed to find a way to stand up 🙂

[ivory gust]

That usually means there's some kind of acceleration happening on the ship--for example, if you were going really fast when you got out of the seat, the ship will be slamming on the breaks which will cause you to fall

[rustic mural]

That was indeed the case!

[jovial iron]

Where's the cheapest place to rent a roc and cutlass black? I went to arc-l4 based on a guide but it seems the price has changed and it's really expensive now

[ivory gust]

They're all about the same price, it'll be about 40k for both

[jovial iron]

Oh ok thanks

[peak snow]

I'm looking to buy a Hull A and get into cargo... What would y'all say are the best/safest routes?

I'd rather avoid risky areas or illegal cargo

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

To avoid illegal cargo, disable the "vice" category under commodities

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[peak snow]

ty!!

[karmic rune]

Anyone have a reclaimer crew i can join in ptu?

[jovial matrix]

You’re gonna have better luck asking in #looking-for-session

[karmic rune]

Thanks

[vestal ravine]

I spent a couple of days buying the 5 types of vice and "filled" a A2 and landed at Hurston/Orinth to sell it all. Twenty five meters from that building I had a normal 30K. I am afraid since I was landed at a "location" I will have to claim the ship and lose out on this sale. I am going to puke if it's all gone. I pray to Star Citizen look over me when I go back to the game. FINAL UPDATE: This morning I got on a server with only 8 other players and didn't have any problems selling this cargo. I think the A2 is perfectly sized for the Vice runs at 49 SCU. I made 4 stops with a double purchase at each selling place. The highest SCU bought per vice was 16 and the lowest was 4. The COST was $1,679,800.00 and the GROSS PROFIT was $1,973,588.00. The NET PROFIT was $293,788.00.

[ivory gust]

If 30k protection worked you can "retrieve" from anywhere in the system

[vestal ravine]

You're right the cargo, illegal as it is, is safe on the ship!!! YEEEAAA!! However I flew straight to Orinth and another ship was there and I waved off and headed back to port.

[small berry]

where would be a common place to salvage? im looking for a place with the most salvage.

[little stratus]

salvage isn't in game yet

[maiden saffron]

to be fair, the title of this channel has salvage in the name. Id dare to say that PTU would apply at the moment

[tropic swallow]

But you were in an A2? Why not just make the other ship go boom 🙂

[tropic swallow]

Most of the L points are great for salvage

[north oyster]

When 318 comes out salvage will probably be overrepresented and able to be found most everywhere near asteroids. Right now you can even go into Aaron's halo and find salvage. So it is going to be most everywhere like mining is

[vestal ravine]

Naww I'm a lover not a fighter. Plus one time I saw a distortion/emp ship parked right at Arc Corp 141 so with this much valuable cargo at stake I decided clear off and come back another time...

[serene quest]

You take a look at those upcoming salvage missions? Suuuuper interesting, especially the free-for-all one.

[north oyster]

yes, and it seems there will be some parallel type missions like that for Mining also

[velvet totem]

in 3.18??

Or not until 3.19?

[north oyster]

thinking 3.19 iirc

[velvet totem]

ok

[north oyster]

3.18 is a monster with so many changes, 3.19 will be the polish build before 4.0

[velvet totem]

Im soo excited for the next part of cargo refactor in 3.19

[peak snow]

If i were to rent a ship in-verse to do cargo, which would you recommend?
I'm looking at a Freelancer or Connie
A Connie is much more expensive but has 30 more SCU of cargo then a Freelancer

[twin basin]

Cargo by itself isn't very profitable tbh

If you're just moving loads of refined ore from prospector mining the Freelancer would be the better option, it fits just barely 2 loads at a time for a lot cheaper tbh

Though the connie also fits exactly 3 loads so do you value ingame money or your time more

[peak snow]

i value fun tbh

[twin basin]

I really did use tbh twice in a row huh

[peak snow]

yep tbh
xD

Cargo seems like a fun gameplay loop for me, so even if it isnt the most profitable id like to get into ti

*it

[twin basin]

I you want to do serious cargo I'd just save up (or beg ingame xd) for the money for a Caterpillar, C2 Starlifter or Connie Taurus

Before then if you already have one the Cutlass Black has a lot of cargo for its size honestly

[peak snow]

i plan to buy the hull a

[twin basin]

I did some Widow and E'Tam runs with it and made nice monis

Hull E or bust ngl

why setlle for 64 when you could have 98,000 and change

:^)

[peak snow]

yea xDDD

[twin basin]

Only costs 300 million to fill it up! :)))

(and like a century of waiting at a terminal lol)

[serene quest]

oo noice. A lot of emergent gameplay options coming up. Glad to see some options around vocations, and the idea of having multiple players able to accept the same mission is nice too. Sure piracy will be a threat but it'll really push people to bring some backup. I hope they set those rewards accordingly lol

[little stratus]

hull A is extremely slow

i don't recommend it

[jovial iron]

Is there a way to sell minerals directly from the roc?

[jovial matrix]

Not while inside it no

[jovial iron]

Oh no I meant can I do it the same way as I do with a ship at a terminal? So I don't have to unload the roc into my ship everytime

[jovial matrix]

Oh, yeah you can do that

[jovial iron]

Oh...

I should have tried that...

[jovial matrix]

Don’t have to take your ROC out of your ship either

[jovial iron]

Well, thanks for informing me! Won't have to waste 30 mins emptying it everytime now :D

[jovial matrix]

💀 happy to help

[ivory gust]

Sometimes you do need to pull the ROC out of the ship for it to show up at the trade terminal

[jovial iron]

Yeah, just seen that when I went to sell after moving everything to my ship

[sterile tangle]

Can someone teach me how to mine i have the mole and the prospector

[little stratus]

have you hand/ROC mined before?

[sterile tangle]

nope

[little stratus]

ngl i recommend you do those first

[vestal ravine]

I just found that Daymar Cave and "mined" 42 Dolivine from some guys I shot up and earned $53,300.00. Once you find the darn cave the layout it will be easier to run. I did not have the "Clear Criminal Nest" mission so did not see any loot boxes. I only went as far as the first bigger drop down. ADDITIONAL INFO: I was reading some comments about the mission and selling the gems out of your backpack at Admin can lead to the infinite inventory lockup. Instead, transfer them to your ship or local inventory then sell. So now I'm going to toss that backpack into space.

[little stratus]

both prospector and mole need mining laser upgrades and mining modifiers to be worth a damn

there are a lot of youtube guides on mining in SC

TLDR is you charge up a laser to fracture a rock containing goodies and collect the goodies, hand + ROC goodies can be sold immediately, ship goodies need to be refined to be worth their maximum

[north oyster]

The MOVE ALL and stacking is going to be so awesome for events like ROC, hand mining and more.

[vestal ravine]

Can't wait for that option! I shelved ROC mining and got into the Vice trade in the meantime.

[deep parrot]

Are the best lasers Helix II?

[little stratus]

Lancet

[toxic ice]

I take it mining is still bugged though righ?

I've tried a few times this week and can never scan anything or mine anything that is a mineable rock, aside from inside the caves. I was trying to surface mine in the roc

[jovial iron]

I was doing surface mining with the roc last night, didn't face any issues at all

[mighty orchid]

tried with ROC and cutty, worked for me

[north oyster]

might be a technique or your method of using scan that is giving you unfavorable results

[toxic ice]

I can find mineable rocks

The scan just does nothing, on ship or ROC, and then even if i just use the mining mode, it does nothing

[kindred gust]

If u purchase something right into that backpack and then use the bought item, the backpack is fixed

[vestal ravine]

Okay good will get it fixed soon. Great tip.

[north oyster]

Where are you looking?

Aberdeen is the premo spot for Hadanite. But you will need the Pembroke armor set for that moon

[toxic ice]

I tried that, wouldnt let me mine any rocks even though i could see them on ping as being rocks to mine

[rocky veldt]

what rocks can i break with a rented prospector

[outer ginkgo]

You gotta look for the diamond symbols with the ROC.

[toxic ice]

Yep, 100% what i did

Still didnt work, on all three attempts at it