industrial-professions

[north oyster]

Be sure to pull the ROC out of the ship before you do that though

not that I am speaking from experience

[pliant matrix]

guys? what modules do you advice for a prospector (no or barely not quant mining)

or is the lancet enough?

[north oyster]

Lancet is the meta att

There's a pinned doc that talks about the different moduals

[mighty prawn]

Are other sites that does not require suit, not worth it?

[north oyster]

To me, no but it is always fun to try other planets

Arial and Daymar are both good

Hadanite spawns in the hottest of places (is the lore)

[mighty prawn]

So, Aberdeen -> OM1, just go to the surface with sunlight side of the planet?

[north oyster]

OM1 is on the north pole of the planet. When you look down, you will see the divide. I would dive straight down

[mighty prawn]

Oh, Daymar does not require any suit

[north oyster]

it's an eternal twilight spot

[mighty prawn]

oh, I see

[north oyster]

Correct, Daymar is good with regular armor

[devout comet]

Can I use my a2 for 9t?

[mighty prawn]

I only have flight suit, that should be enough, right?

[north oyster]

Also, @mighty prawn here's a great little video by Red Monster SC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Wz7yZ-_KY

[north oyster]

I would recommend armor of some type, but you can do it in a flight suit, just be careful of the status of your character

[mighty prawn]

ok, thanks

You mentioned about re-claming ROC after 2 trips, is this to refresh the ROC or something?

Would I need to do that even after I buy the ROC?

[frigid sedge]

how do i scan rocks without of being in a mining ship?

[ivory gust]

Yes, although it doesn't have much cargo and m2/c2/caterpillar/Carrack would all be much better

[ivory gust]

V for scan mode, point straight at the deposit, hold left mouse button to scan

[devout comet]

I kinda already bought it so I don't have the money for those

[north oyster]

Yes, the ROC components wear out quick. I have experimented with upgraded components and they seem to help but I've not answered that question definitively

[ivory gust]

If A2 is the largest hold you have go for it, you'll still make 234k bonus per trip

[devout comet]

Hm is that compared to c2?

Like am I losing alot?

[ivory gust]

C2 gets 696k bonus per trip

The bonus payout is 1k per SCU delivered

[devout comet]

Dam

Kinda makes me useless compared to my friend gonna use his c2

[pliant matrix]

what is that bonus you're talking about?

[ivory gust]

Nine tails lock down event has a bonus payout for delivering medical supplies to the event station

[spring prism]

If you're going to Hurston or Microtech planets/moon, you should definitely be getting the appropriate extreme temperature armor. I usually have a set at the space station for the planet. IE: Novikov at Port Tressler.

[pliant matrix]

wow yeah that's pretty good pocket money xD

[ivory gust]

Note that there will be other players trying to kill you, and the event station will have a quantum disruptor of like 200km

[devout comet]

Ohh interesting

[smoky mortar]

Can't make the bonus if they never start the event. holy hell

[pliant matrix]

that's a 200km stress trip xD

[ivory gust]

The event isn't supposed to start for another hour

It starts 2 hours after the listed time

[smoky mortar]

i'm sorry what?

[pliant matrix]

is it worth mining in halo if not for quant? Or moons are better at that?

[ivory gust]

The listed time is when the event technically "starts" because that's when the initial communications in game start going out "nine tails is going to blah blah blah"

But the blockade itself doesn't start until two hours later. This is how it's always worked

[smoky mortar]

i still haven't heard the announcement

[ivory gust]

There's no where good for mining things other than Quant, you're going to have a hard time finding them consistently

[ivory gust]

In 3min ish (1hr till blockade start) there should be one

[pliant matrix]

I guess yeah

I've been running around for half an hour on Arial... never found that much hadanite when I was with ROC. Kinda pissing me off tbh xD

only bexalite I found was 1%

kinda regreting taking a prospector now xD

[mighty prawn]

Am I reading this correct that it is easier to find rocks for Quant than Gems?

[ivory gust]

Ehhhhhh it's probably still easier to find gems since they're so common and you don't have to worry about the % of the deposit, but quant is much easier to find in high quantities than other ores

[ivory gust]

That sounds odd, how were you searching? When I've gone ROC mining on Arial I typically found good hadanite clusters within a few minutes

[pliant matrix]

Probably very good rng the exact time I'm not roc mining xD

[jovial matrix]

It’s to make sure the ROC doesn’t die on you out in the field. Instead of reclaiming, you can just repair it at a platinum bay vehicle pad at an outpost (same place that you’d spawn the ROC at)

[mighty prawn]

ok, thanks

[ivory gust]

Can also repair on the big pads if the ROC is the only thing on them

[jovial matrix]

Oh really? I didn’t know that

[north oyster]

I normally just forgo repair and just claim a new one

it's not like you have to wait a long time

[jovial matrix]

Would be quicker to repair though

Well

[spring prism]

[ Laughs in 2+ Minute repair time because server struggling. ]

Had this happen a few times on the 315p I used to own, because of the coffee cup that kept getting un-latched from its spot. The coffee cup is coded to spawn on the counter, but its "Place" point is actually on the coffee maker, where it's meant to truly be. It'll be in the cargo lift if you leave it on the counter and start flying / use the lift / land.

[jovial matrix]

I have never had a repair, refuel, and rearm take 2+ minutes, especially on something like a ROC

[worthy scroll]

You can go watch The Lord of the Rings trilogy while you wait for a Caterpillar to refuel its hydrogen fuel. 😂

It's a good thing the auto store timer was greatly extended, because there's no way it would fuel in time with the old one.

[wraith ice]

hey quick question will the event start up every few mins after it is done?

[jovial matrix]

I think there’s like a half hour break in between the end of one and the beginning of another, not super sure about that though

[ivory gust]

The next blockade will start 2 hours after the next listed time in the schedule -- 4 hours, 15min from now

[wraith ice]

thank you https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1002339967315496980/1025871417268523008/6323844abce6b901870599.gif

[blissful flume]

how much can u make trading is it good again

[sonic laurel]

If I have clouds turned off will Orison have the same fps as say Microtech and new babbage?

[tropic hamlet]

If somone destorys your ship can they take all the supplies? Just got taken out by another player after loading medical supplies.

[pliant matrix]

not yet

those who do that usually just do it for fun

some also bribe you to let you live in exchange for money

that's actual state of piracy gameplay

[spring prism]

Only if you have a caterpillar or bigger. The hard limit on smallest ship you can have in SCU is the taurus basically. Any smaller than that and you're more likely to get less profit than doing one box delivery mission for 8,000 aUEC. Even with it, supply demand might still cause even the taurus to be below that profit margin depending on the commodity. Or it's just too slow.

You can never buy enough Laranite to fill a caterpillar/C2, even if an outpost has its maximum stock of Laranite, it's not enough to fill either in one shopping trip. So you'll want to stock up on other commodities, like Titanium/etc. after you've gotten your Laranite.

[mighty prawn]

Do we know if ROC can fit inside Corsair ?

[jovial matrix]

oh it definitely can

corsair can fit an ursa, so it can 100% fit an ROC

[mighty prawn]

ok

I might be tempted to upgrade avenger titan to corsair

[jovial matrix]

that would be a big upgrade, but a worthwhile one, since the corsair releases very soon

[mighty prawn]

Ok, a website lists corsairs price as $215, if this true, that's tempting

[ivory gust]

It'll probably be ~$240 on release

I'm said I didn't get a chance to buy a CCU at the current price

[mighty prawn]

CCU?

I am not sure if Corsair will be a good ship for hunting gems, I have doubts about the visibility compared to cutlass black

I thought I could use Corsair for multiple purposes

[ivory gust]

CCU = ship upgrade "token"

compared to cutlass, Corsair will be harder to park close to the gems (since it's larger), but will likely be easier to park the ROC in and may also have a longer range scanner for gems

[mighty prawn]

ok, I wonder if I can get on co-pilot seat that slides down to the deck below and get a better visibility

is CCU cheaper?

[fallen atlas]

!ccu

[wary tusk]

Cross Chassis Upgrades (CCUs)

• FAQ • Pledge Store (click Ship Upgrades) • Buy Back Pledges •

Don't forget to "Apply Upgrade" after a CCU purchase.

[vestal ravine]

I was going back to base with lots of Meds and I was ejected from the ship now the menu screen says "Install" What is going on? Did a new patch drop? I got 1.1 Million on the ship. EDIT: Here's what happened. It was a short Install to 8240506... The game put me in the station I was near and all cargo is safe!! Wow what a trip.

[drifting field]

Hey , newish to the game. where do I buy medical supplies for the ninetails event thanks 🙂

[glacial dagger]

SC Trade Tools, Gallog and UEX will all be able to tell you where you can buy medical supplies from

I wouldn't really bother trying to buy up medical supplies before the event though, as during the event production really ramps up

[chrome beacon]

If a prospector gets blown up or claimed, do you lose permenant modules like torrent 3?

[glacial dagger]

Yup. If your ship gets destroyed or lost and you have to claim it, mining module attachments that are on your mining head(s) are also lost as their technically considered consumables

[chrome beacon]

Yeesh, thats an expensive loss. Thanks

[glacial dagger]

Indeed

[north oyster]

That'd why I mainly only use Surge

[glacial dagger]

I learnt the hard way when I sunk over 400k into moduels, set them up on my prospector and Mole, claimed them to the other side of the system and found the modules missing

[north oyster]

Ouch

I miss the day when we could equip while out in the field

That only makes sense to be able to do that

[chrome beacon]

I think I am just going to stick to arrons belt then

[north oyster]

That's where I mine about 100% of the time

So easy with the active angle ping

Spaceshorts had a new spot in the belt that he was hitting very nice rocks one after the other. I wish I could remember the coordinates att

[glacial dagger]

Aaron *Halo, and yh, I much prefer mining there 😄

[analog cosmos]

What’s the best trading route with a taurus?

[glacial dagger]

Search up profit margins and amounts on SCTT, Gallog and UEX

It's not difficult once yous tart working on it properly

[north oyster]

Asttitine from Ida to Loreville CBD is good

Then try Laramie on Aria and backfill with titanium

Again to CBD

[idle cedar]

Hi guys

I need a crew for a mole

Very new to it and I wanna mine quantanium

[sonic laurel]

fml

that's awful

[spring prism]

#looking-for-session

[glacial dagger]

Check out #looking-for-session, loads more people in there to scout out

[mighty prawn]

Can ROC fit into 400i, all the videos I watch so far makes it look like a no

would it fit well and not explode during transit

[glacial dagger]

Nope, too tall

[mighty prawn]

ok

[ivory gust]

I've heard it can fit if you shoot off the light bar on top of the ROC, but haven't tried it myself.

That does make the 400i the second most expensive ship (in game) that can't carry a ROC

[mighty prawn]

ok, and what is the first most expensive ship that cannot carry roc?

[ivory gust]

Redeemer

[mighty prawn]

That is listed as gunship

oh you meant as in-game currency ?

[ivory gust]

Yes and? I didn't say anything about what type of ship, just that of all the ships you can purchase in game, the 400i is the second most expensive that isn't capable of carry a ROC.

Everything more expensive than the Redeemer can carry one, and everything between 400i and Redeemer can as well

[mighty prawn]

ok

That does give me more options to look at. I am just looking for a better ship to upgrade that can carry a roc to make money.

[ivory gust]

Carrack is the best since it has a medical bay so when you go outside after taking your helmet off for a snack, you res in the ship instead of back at a station

I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard the Valkyrie is very good for ROC mining. Plenty of space to park, and it's small enough to easily land near deposits

[mighty prawn]

oh thanks, I will look up that ship. If the price is reasonable for my budget, I might just buy that.

[ivory gust]

Carrack is 26.5M

Valkyrie is 4.5M

[mighty prawn]

ok, just learned that there is no correlation between in-game purchase price and pledge price

[ivory gust]

Indeed not

[mighty prawn]

Corsair and Valkyrie is at the top of my list

and 600i, but I have feeling this might not be practical for day to day ROC mining

everytime I keep looking at ship options, I end up with Origin ship, the interior are sooo good

[ivory gust]

Probably not, yeah. You want something that gives you fast access from cockpit to vehicle/cargo bay (rules out the MSR, 600i, and anything bigger), is small enough to land near deposits, and ideally has an improved scan range for gems

[mighty prawn]

Yeah, that 🙂

[ivory gust]

Carrack is great when ROC mining with multiple people, though, since you can park a scout ship in the bay

[pliant matrix]

FL max is great and fast switch between seats. Also fast getting roc in/out

If MSR didn't had all those doors it would be amazing too

MSR is fastest "medium cargo" I've flight in tho. Way more enjoyable to fly than Max

[ivory gust]

Really not worth it for cargo by comparison though...more than 2x the cost for less cargo space and less pilot firepower

MSR is way overpriced for now, until data running actually becomes a thing

[worthy scroll]

And even then I wouldn't consider it unless they remove half the interior doors. 🤣

[ivory gust]

or just let you lock them open...or honestly just fix doors in general so they detect you coming a lot sooner. If you're running up to the door it should see you're coming and open so you barely have to slow down, not the current run up to door->wait five seconds for it to open->run to next, repeat

Ironically, the freelancer max has the same number of doors, they're just in a straight line with no elevator, and don't take as long to open

Even then, though, I wouldn't want the MSR on principle of it having so much wasted space and those stupid tunnels

The tunnels would almost make sense if that's where they had the servers for data running

[vestal ravine]

My Free Max would not refuel in a hanger after I landed and stored without refueling. Some guy in chat said fire off a flare. I did on the way to my next stop and it worked. Not sure if it was BS or not.

[north oyster]

That's great to know. Love these crazy tips, you wonder how did you figure that out?

[vestal ravine]

I will keep an eye on this and cross test to see if that's the hot fix or not.

[novel harness]

How much profit can i make with a2 full of medical supplies during illegal blockade

[jovial matrix]

you would make 216k from the bonus + the normal profit from the meds, so at least 300k+ I think

[novel harness]

And how much would it cost me to fill?

[glacial dagger]

I wouldn't use an A2 for it, try and get yoru hands on a C2

[jovial matrix]

A2 is still decent, its 216SCU

[novel harness]

How much would i make full load on c2

[glacial dagger]

That being said, with the A2 having 216 SCU and the C2 having 696 SCU and the price of medical supplies currently at approx. ~19.37/unit, the A2 would cost around 418,392 to fill while the C2 would cost 1,348,152 to fill

[glass mango]

how crack big rocks in prospector? i hab lancent but idk how mine properly

[glacial dagger]

Prices may fluctuate due to the large amount of purchases durign the event

[glacial dagger]

I reccomend looking up some mining guides on youtube. However, if you're on a planet surface and the mass of the rock is greater than 5k, the only way your gonna be able to break those is with a friend or two or hand modifiers and mining modules 😄

@jovial matrix @novel harness Does this help?

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

[glacial dagger]

Wait, no

That was the selling price

[novel harness]

How much would i make with full load on c2

[glacial dagger]

It's closer to 16.25 to buy and 19.37 to sell

Gimme a sec

Gomma spreadsheet this

There we go. In a single run with the A2, you could make a potential total profit of 283,392 aUEC, but in the C2, you could make a total of 913,152 aUEC. Almost a million per run...

[novel harness]

Also funny how 4 bombs take up over 400 scu

[glacial dagger]

You now see why I'm saying use the C2 instead of the A2?

[glass mango]

where should i buy said meds

[glacial dagger]

SC Trade Tools, Gallog and UEX are all sites you can find this info on 😄 IT's the basics of cargo hauling

[glacial dagger]

I mean, the physical space of the C2 and M2 are the exact same, but the M2 is still rated for less cargo 😄

[novel harness]

Ye

[glass mango]

thanks for the info! aslo is that profile banner your fleet?

[novel harness]

If i buy c2, what kind of cargo should i run after event

[jovial matrix]

hauling laranite and titanium

[glacial dagger]

Indeed 😄

[glacial dagger]

I was kinda trying to guide them so they could learn to read the markets 😄

[glass mango]

well with the C2 he should be a volume trader instead of value trader. i made like 70k on a full load of scrap from a18 to wala. it’s a ritual i do before my cargo runs

[glass mango]

wow that’s awesome! can you pm me ur fleet pic so i can ask annoying questions there

[glacial dagger]

Also, jsut out of curiostiy, the M2 could make 684,864 aUEC per run if full 😄

[glass mango]

wow that’s not half bad

[glacial dagger]

Done 😄

[novel harness]

U have convinced me to get an c2

[glacial dagger]

Rule 5) No begging, even in jest.....jk, but sorry bud, I dont have that rn

Gimme like 6-7 runs and I can easilly get that though 😄

[novel harness]

I would call it.. selling lol

[glacial dagger]

nope, they specifically said donate. I dont mind though, I know it was a joke 😄

[novel harness]

Yep lol

Ill figure out a way to get 5 mil and buy a c2

[glacial dagger]

Good luck bud. Also, you busy this weekend by any chance?

[novel harness]

A bit but not too much

[glacial dagger]

You interested in a little...outing?

[jovial matrix]

that sounds suspicious

[glacial dagger]

I can tell you in DMs if you like

[jovial matrix]

sure

[novel harness]

Sure

[short osprey]

Anyone have trade route recs? Ive been doing terra/gallete to port O but need something in between when port O is full

[fading escarp]

I usually pick up at outposts and travel to primary port of subsystem ..

I've never traded with PO (for real), most of my experience is that PO is just another outpost with a limited supply and demand.

TDD/CBD doesn't have an upper limit on their demand, hence they'll buy whatever in any quantity faster than you can ever top them off..

@short osprey any other questions, don't hesitate

[short osprey]

Help me with acronyms

Tdd and cbd =

Ive been bunkering on crusader so thats where i find myself usually

Ah i see i dont go to orison because of the atmosphere

[fading escarp]

Trade Division Dept

Central Business District

CBD is lorville

TDD are all the other places (A18, MT, Orison)

Orison - atmo - hence why I don't trade there 🙂

[short osprey]

What website resource do you recommend? The one ive used just says distilled spirits

I have 1mil liquid and an m2 for reference

[fading escarp]

uhm.. I started out with a couple, but then I accumulated enough knowhow to not use them anymore

[short osprey]

Trying to save up for a connie or maybe a 400i

Ok word

[fading escarp]

gallog.co https://sc-trade.tools/home, https://sc-trading.kamille.ovh/trading/

each of them can do different aspects

[short osprey]

Trade tools is what ive used i think

[fading escarp]

I use a set of rules. 1) your cargo space must be filled. 2) with the most expensive you can afford. 3) if cargo space is not 100% full, pick the next one down

3. is basically a return to 1)

[short osprey]

Gives me these always, which i cant sell all of it at port o

[fading escarp]

MT takes distilled

tho a good starting is Processed Food at the farms

and Scrap the other way ..

that'll get you started and learning the ropes

when you start to see the system, you can upgrade

Scrap is 1.36 - 1.70, with some varies on supply and demand.

food is IIRC 1.1-1.5 (been a long time since I did food)

tho some places don't look to kindly on spirits. Don't think a party place like MT minds too much

again. PO is just another Outpost with a limited supply and demand

be mindful of Medical Supplies - yes you can buy a whole stack of them. But primary ports only takes 5000 max, and outposts only takes 1000. Meaning you'll be flying all over the place to sell 69600 units .. don't ask me how I know 😄

[mighty prawn]

Are mineral mining worth it? mining Bexalite, laranite, agricium?

[fossil swallow]

is it possible to deplete the halo asteroid belt. man every q rock has been under 4% for an house

hour

[fossil swallow]

if they were found at the same levels of quantanium maybe.

[bold yew]

Sadly no. Just there to practice on for now.

[mighty prawn]

ok

[north oyster]

Yes, you can make decent income with mining anything above agricium in value. You just won't make the very large dollars like with Quantainium. This will eventually change and a better balance will come into play

[north oyster]

There is a pretty nice Quan hotspot that was found. I'll send the coordinates when I get back to my office

OK, try this route: From ARC-L1 head to Crusader and drop out at 33.6M Km

This was discovered by Macedon. I saw one person pull 4 high end rocks out in 4 trips that included two unicorns.

Unicorn = 32SCU of PURE Quantainium

[mighty prawn]

How do you drop out while in QT?

[ivory gust]

Hold B, or if that doesn't work hit U to shut the ship down (maybe just I to shut down engines)

[mighty prawn]

ok, thanks

I didn't know that was possible

Can you save that location?

Bookmarking?

[ivory gust]

The best you can do is drop a delivery package or research mission probe there--as long as you have that mission tracked, the item will show a marker on your HUD

Or you can have someone else in your party stay there and you can warp to them

Other than that, no

[mighty prawn]

ok, thanks

[oblique hearth]

whats the lowest Quan ratio for a rock to go fter?

is 2% okay to go after or is it a waste of time?

[ivory gust]

Depends on mass. At 5k mass, 1% = 1SCU.

20% 5k mass rock is probably worth it since that's 20 SCU. 20% 2.5k mass rock is 10 SCU, probably not worth it. 20% 7.5k mass is 30SCU, definitely worth it.

[ivory gust]

Waste of time

[oblique hearth]

thak ou!

thank you

[tired grail]

I’ve heard only mine like 20% quant rocks

[mighty prawn]

I am thinking of getting 350r, is 4 SCU enough for any cargo/delivery missions from NPCs?

[worthy scroll]

It's fine for box missions, but we don't actually have cargo missions yet.

[delicate girder]

PSA: Just learned something. DO NOT take an elevator in a Herc while in QT! It dumps ya into space immediately. Just lost over 1.2 million because of it! LOL!

Use the ladder!

[ivory gust]

If you wait in space until the ship exits quantum, you should be able to click an elevator button which will get you back to the ship

[fair delta]

anyone have problems when they go to refine quantanium it just doesnt show up but it shows up all the other resources

[ivory gust]

If you landed in the hangar, you probably triggered the bug that causes quant to go inert. Don't land in hangars, always impound

[fair delta]

Wait seriously that’s a bug that’s dumb how do I get my ship impounded

[ivory gust]

Don't call ATC, just wait in front of a closed hangar door. If you don't see the impound warning within 30 seconds, try a different hangar

[fair delta]

Ok thanks

[hasty stump]

Spooky action at a distance amirite

[ivory gust]

Quantum entanglement, obviously

[boreal stag]

what should i do with this?

i picked it up and mission was completed

[glacial dagger]

Throw it into space, it's litterally trash, or at least waste

[boreal stag]

ok tyy

😅

didnt know if it had a use or something

[glacial dagger]

Nope, it's jsut waste

[fossil swallow]

man every single rock in mining belt unscanable regadless of where i go

[glacial dagger]

Get out of the ship, eva out of the ships comm range, get back into said ship and then try scanning it again

[inland root]

Is it worth upgrading from the Cutty Black to the Conny Taurus trading wise?

[glacial dagger]

For pure trading/ground vehicle hauling, technically yes

[inland root]

Okay, thanks

[nova elm]

Dear citizens,

Can the ROC-DS be use alone?

[smoky mortar]

You’ll be getting in and out a lot.

[cobalt blaze]

is there a way to see the rest of refinery in process?
when you have more than 3 on the queue

[glacial dagger]

Scroll

[cobalt blaze]

cheers

[glacial dagger]

Nw 😄

[vestal ravine]

I found out the the Med run bonuses are the same for the C2 and A2. I wonder if the amount of cargo on board helps determine that bonus. If cargo doesn't matter that much you could run the A2 more than the other if you were budget conscious. So I might get a half load for the A2 and see what the bonus would be.

[glacial dagger]

I'm pretty sure it's 1000aUEC per SCU

[vestal ravine]

Mine have all been 696K except for the Free Max at 120K. These are full loads.

[glacial dagger]

Was that with a C2?

[vestal ravine]

Both the C and A2.

[glacial dagger]

Huh, weird

[vestal ravine]

I'll let folks know what happens But will be busy for a bit coming up. Maybe someone else test a partial load.

[cobalt blaze]

the asteroids that doesn't give scan results are not worth looking and mining right?

[placid rune]

The game will not let me scan any rock, any solutions?

[glacial dagger]

Get out of your ship, EVA out of your ship channel distance, EVA back to yoru ship, get in and try scanningagain

[misty coyote]

The above.... And also
Store your ship
Remove the mining head
Recover ship
Store ship
Replace head
Recover ship

[cobalt blaze]

anyone?

[glacial dagger]

Read my answer to the same issue just below yours

[cobalt blaze]

I thought not giving results were pretty normal

that were probably just inert

[misty coyote]

No results means bugged

All asteroid clusters should have something

[ivory gust]

That sounds very odd. The bonus is supposed to be 1k per SCU sold, and that's what it's always been for me in any ship

[prisma scarab]

Likewise never been any different for me.

[cobalt blaze]

a good percent still not showing results, anything else I can try?

which ship should I rent for cargo, freelancer or cutlass?

[ivory gust]

Depends on how much cargo you want to move. If you're just doing refinery loads and only have a couple, a cutlass is probably best since you can rent it at the refinery

[cobalt blaze]

both of them I believe

I have a number of jobs so

[ivory gust]

If you have quite a few jobs, an Andromeda may be your best bet to rent to deliver them--has 96 SCU of space vs Freelancer's 66

The Freelancer has 66 to Cutlass 46, but you need an extra "empty" trip to a planet to rent it anyway, so it's only worth it in terms of saving trips vs. cutlass for a fairly narrow range--unless you're already a the planet to rent

[cobalt blaze]

andromeda might be a bit much, would be interesting to try though
i forgot that there's no rent in refinery but the ports do.

I have around 6-8 jobs

[spring prism]

I have seen the future of Cargo purchasing/selling in #956653690478006303, and it is glorious.

[scenic finch]

About to kit out a prospector for quan mining. Wtf do I put on it lol

[spring prism]

Lancet MH1 as the mining head. Always.If you plan to mine mass 6000+ Rocks, you'll need to also stock some Surge and Stampede consumable modules. Make sure to equip one of each on your Lancet MH1 before you head off to a planet/etc.

if you are going to the halo to mine, you will never need the consumables, since the asteroid rocks don't get that big currently. But there's a much higher chance to run into ghost rocks in the halo/asteroid belt.

[scenic finch]

Is it weird to run a impact 1? I’m trying to go off this vid https://youtu.be/elCZURyECrQ

At 17:56 is his build… I hope it’ll work I already bought the stuff lol

[ivory gust]

Yes, it's weird. It is harder to use and requires you to use a charge of the Brandt to break every chunk, even the small ones. Lancet is usually better.

[scenic finch]

Damn. Ok I’ll switch it up

[full mantle]

💯

[scenic finch]

Does the game take off whatever attachments you put on a ship when you claim it at another station?

[ivory gust]

Mining modules are lost. Everything else should come with

[scenic finch]

The star gods are against me today

[sleek torrent]

For some reason I can move my Roc mining arm. My mole works with no issue. Shouldn’t they be the same controls? I havnt used a Roc in ages but wanted to change it up for a bit. Are they separate keybinds in the settings? I only see one area I can change keybinds for mining arms…. I’ve powered it in. Switched to mining mode. What am I missing?

[spring prism]

ROC uses mouse move to move the mining arm, only in first person.

[ivory gust]

If you're putting the movements on a controller or joystick, need to also enable free look with z (I bind it to the same button on stick as mining mode so both activate) . Roc is a ground vehicle so it has some different binds

[sleek torrent]

Oh okay. So I can just set my free look. This may be why I have issues with remote turrets and not manned turrets.

[ivory gust]

Don't think you need free look for remote turrets

[sleek torrent]

Well I have the same issue with remote turrets, they won’t move, but manned turrets move just the same as when I’m in my mole laser

[ivory gust]

Someone else had that same issue a few weeks back, trying to find the messages

Oh hey, it was you. Did you ever see this reply? #flight-combat-racing message

[sleek torrent]

so the freelook I need to bind is -ground vehicle/ freelook (hold)

[ivory gust]

I think so, can't check currently

[sleek torrent]

No I probably gave up. I had figured out the manned turrets and when I got those working I counted it as a victory. But remote and obviously Roc now are the ones I’m still trying to work on

[ivory gust]

It's not actually a hold binding

[sleek torrent]

Yes I missed that a while back. I will check those too and see if that helps any.

[sleek torrent]

Okay, so I’m just looking for regular freelook

[ivory gust]

No I mean I think that's the right binding, it's labeled wrong is what I mean

[sleek torrent]

Ahh okay

[ivory gust]

Let me start the game and I'll see what I have

[sleek torrent]

I’d appreciate that

[spring prism]

Freelook (Hold) is only for third-person. Also, it doesn't work on ground vehicles because while in third-person, mouse movement is freelook already.

Since ground vehicles don't have a pitch/yaw/etc.

[ivory gust]

False. "Freelook (Hold)" in the ground vehicle category is what's needed to unlock the ROC mining arm when using joysticks.

[sleek torrent]

Okay so I set it to the same as my mining mode. I will go see if this works now

[ivory gust]

These are the bindings to get the ROC working on my dual stick setup

Wait, I'm missing some

Full set

[sleek torrent]

Perfect! I really appreciate this.

[ivory gust]

Yes, I have Freelook (Hold) as the same button as mining mode. If they get desynced (e.g., it turns off freelook when you start mining mode instead of vice versa), just tap z on the keyboard to fix it

[sleek torrent]

Will do. Thanks again

[spring prism]

Wish I could enjoy controllers on games like SC, I just can't, I have to use a Keyboard and mouse. I tried on some console shooters, like Killzone, and even after hours of playing it, I couldn't get into it.

[sleek torrent]

So I got it working. But not completely but it’s doable. I can get it to move now with my mouse and joystick, but with the joystick it barely moves. It basically won’t leave the circle in the center of the screen where the mining laser accelerator is. It’s workable, but I can’t figure out how to change this. I’ve tried messing with dead zones and whatnot but nothing works. I’m sure it’s another setting that is blocking this but I’ll chalk this up in the win column for tonight since I’ve finally got some sort of movement

Thanks for you help fellas

[spark gulch]

hey guys is there a way to increase the text size in the mining hud?

[mighty prawn]

Are gems easier to find than quantainum? or the other way around?

[mighty prawn]

I did watch a video where someone did zoom into those information. Are you not able to zoom in through F + wheel mouse?

[last kayak]

How can I sell these I found them while exploring crash ship

[cobalt blaze]

I found a bunch of quantanium rocks and I cant scan them 😭

[glacial dagger]

EVA out of your ship, leave the ships channel (about 70m away), get back into your ship, and it should be scannable again

[cobalt blaze]

I did twice

[glacial dagger]

Do you have a hand modifier by any chance?

[cobalt blaze]

hand modifier?

[glacial dagger]

A mining gadget you can place

[cobalt blaze]

nope

tried to eva again and my ship got launched far away lol

[glacial dagger]

Ah

Did you try firing your mining laser at it to get it to update?

[cobalt blaze]

well I can't now unfortunately

[cobalt blaze]

nope it doesn't update at all

[glacial dagger]

Dam. Sorry bud, I think your out of luck on that one

[cobalt blaze]

new modules + no quant, just gotta suck it up

[glacial dagger]

Yup

Sometimes that is the way this game goesx unfortunatly

[north oyster]

The only other trick, not that you can do it underway, is to remove the laser head, spawn, store, restore laserhead

[cobalt blaze]

can't do that midway, did beforehand not much happened. At this point not scanning is normal.

Is FLTR-XL Module any useful?

[north oyster]

It's useful but they don't persist, a lot to risk. I only ever use Surge

[ivory gust]

Free look is supposed to resolve exactly that problem

[proven tusk]

So, mining. I'm hopeful someone might be willing to take me out and have a look at that, since I am running my head against the wall trying to do missions that bug out more often than not.

[ivory gust]

Why did you even approach them? You can see that they're unscannable from up to 12km away

[sleek torrent]

I had hoped it would but I keybinded my freelook and it just moves my cursor and not my actually turret. Manned turrets work fine. Only remote are like this

[ivory gust]

Oh, remote turret, not ROC. No idea then, sorry

I assume you have turret movement bound

I usually prefer mouse for turrets to joystick, much more precise

[hoary smelt]

Is there any tricks to using a surge module multiple times to get into the green zone?

I am pretty bad at guestimating and end up blowing my self up a lot

[rugged axle]

The trick is simply see how far off your first one was. Then wait for rock to cooldown to that same amount. So your 2nd one fills to where first one did, plus the extra from first one

So, if your first got to 75% till top of green. You let Rock cool down to 25%, then hit 2nd. Which would give you 100% to top of green

[hoary smelt]

But it's all done by eye?

[rugged axle]

Yes...

[hoary smelt]

That's where I start to falter 😆

[rugged axle]

I mean...I guess you could put a finger on your monitor? Lol

[ivory gust]

Cut out a strip of paper to the right size and tape it to your monitor

[sleek torrent]

Yea my Roc works now. My manned turrets work. But my remote turrets are a no go. Not sure why. One step at a time. I’ll take a few more weeks of not worrying about it and then try to troubleshoot again.

[mighty prawn]

I tried to go to NT-999-XX, they stared to shoot at me. Do I need rep?

[ivory gust]

Who's "they"? I don't think there are turrets at that outpost

[mighty prawn]

They do have it at outpost now, they shot at me as I was trying to land

I thought maybe NPCs are going around, but the second time, i realized, it was the outpost

I tried to land two times

[spring prism]

Either it's an enemy NPC controlled outpost or you don't have a mission for it.

[mighty prawn]

I do not have mission for it, I spot some trade route and I was trying to do them

I do not have screenshot, but I did see the turrets outlined icons all over the outpost as I was landing

I did some security missions, and I thought maybe that's what got me lossing reps with those guys

[ivory gust]

If it's got turrets, you need a mission for it in order for them to not shoot at you--and even then, depending on the mission type, they might still shoot at you

[cobalt blaze]

what do you mean persist?

[cobalt blaze]

trying/attempting to fix the "bug" because apparently it isn't normal

[ivory gust]

It's absolutely normal for there to be large numbers of unscannable rocks in the belt

[cobalt blaze]

I figured, I'm just following what people say
That's why I asked if it was normal but was told it's bugged

[ivory gust]

It is bugged, but it is also normal, because that bug happens for like 50%+ of the asteroids in the belt

[cobalt blaze]

also there were scans, just not results
fair enough

[ivory gust]

yes, if there's no results from the scan, that means they're unscannable asteroids, don't bother flying to them

[cobalt blaze]

I must've interpreted it as it's not normal and a bug than a bug that is normal

[north oyster]

If you lose your ship, the laser head will be there when you claim the ship, all attachments to the laser head are lost

[ivory gust]

This is Star Citizen, bugs are normal

[cobalt blaze]

Well I did ask whether the bug was normal indirectly
I'm just following what I get told
I was shed light of a work around, and attempting it

[thorn marsh]

Hey guys just want to let you guys know about a bug I encountered in the mole, it turned all my quant into inert for no reason, so watch out

[ivory gust]

Known issue. Don't land in a hangar, just get impounded.

[scenic finch]

What shield gen and power should I upgrade on my prospector?

[jovial matrix]

I would say dont worry about upgrading those, as they arent important to mining

[scenic finch]

Ok last question, if I’m mining on lyria the closest refinery in arc l1?

[jovial matrix]

yes

[scenic finch]

Ok I lied. What mass/quan % worthy of cracking

[jovial matrix]

well at 5k mass, each % of quant is about 1SCU

so you're looking for something like 20% or higher on a 5k mass or higher rock

[scenic finch]

Ok so if I find a smaller rock mass like a 3k I would want a higher quan % like 45?

[jovial matrix]

probably

[scenic finch]

Found a mass of 3173 with 45% quan and seems good but prob won’t fill hill

Hull

[jovial matrix]

that's a good rock

definitely worth it

[scenic finch]

Oh nice. Thanks, I will prob die trying lol

[jovial matrix]

good luck, you can do it

[scenic finch]

Cracked it, then ai pirate showed up…

[cobalt rivet]

[cobalt blaze]

is it possible for split rocks to just disappear in space?

[sweet creek]

I'm struggling to mine quantanium. I found a bigt 8k mass rock but no matter how much power i put into my laser i got no charge value?
I tried hitting surge thing which boosted it to 50/60% but then just started to fall again
using lancet mining laser. What am i missing?

[cobalt blaze]

stampede module probably

[sweet creek]

care to expand? i think i have that, it does pulse like animations. I hit that asoon as i got into the green

[cobalt blaze]

I'm not experienced with mass over 5.5k unfortunately
All I know Is you need a few burst of surge and a stampede module for rocks that big

[ivory gust]

Surge into the top of green, stampede. If it still falls out of optimal too quickly, it's too big for that method and you'll need gadgets as well.

[blissful lotus]

hey, when I'm mining a rock and I'm looking for the sweet spot on it, do I want to see more or less sparks?

[blissful lotus]

anyone know?

any experienced miners on rn?

[worthy scroll]

It's more to do with how the heat meter reacts.

[stoic bramble]

Its not always that easy to find the sweet spot on high instability rocks

Hell, Im not even sure there is one sometimes :p

I usually mine quant so its just a wobbly mess most of the time anyways

[shrewd patio]

Anyone want a 10 rock patch of Quant?

Last call or I'm moving on from it

[sonic laurel]

I tried to sell a patch of quant for 35k that was more than a full prospy and no one would buy

[jovial matrix]

Probably suspicious of you baiting them into a potential trap

[sonic laurel]

blow up their empty prospector for a bunch of nothing?

[jovial matrix]

“Hey, I’ve got this sweet patch of quant on Lydia, pay me 50k and I’ll show you to it.” Sounds a little sus

Well they don’t know what you’re going to do, so they’re probably just being cautious

Just like how people are cautious of medicalbeacons

[sonic laurel]

my point being what can I do?

[shrewd patio]

Well in my case I don't do pvp I'm a miner and trucker maybe a lil pve that's all

[sonic laurel]

medical beacons they likely have fps gear I can loot

popping an empty prospector is...pointless?

so medical beacons caution I get

did have one medic come and just kill me though

[jovial matrix]

I’ve done the same, except I was on the opposite end of the deal

So I can understand why people don’t take up random offers like that lol

[stoic bramble]

Hard to make deals like that with no risk of scams

[jovial matrix]

Mhm

[shrewd patio]

I guess next time I'll screen shot it so they can see I am in a prospector myself

[jovial matrix]

That would certainly make it more credible

[stoic bramble]

Gonna try out a Helix with 2x Focus 3's and Brandt instead of the 2x surge\stampede lancets

See if that works out for big boy rocks

And make sure I dont claim the ship again like a dumbass

[cobalt blaze]

does the refinery have like a limit how many orders/process it can take?
before it stops you from putting more or deleting older ones?

[hardy mesa]

Not alot of miners with iae and 3.18 on the way

[stoic bramble]

Dont think so no

[cobalt blaze]

I don't want to mine only for the refinery to bug and lose my quant lol

[stoic bramble]

Would be a shitty refinery if it cant handle one guy mining some gravel

[cobalt blaze]

in theory yes but, it's SC, there's bugs

[sonic laurel]

I want someone to have an "inert materials" empire. That's all they mine.

[cobalt blaze]

I'm preparing for the worst case

[hardy mesa]

I mean if they make supply and demand work inert could add some value at some point

[stoic bramble]

gravel is kinda useful, so ye

[mighty prawn]

So, if I upgrade prospector with better mining guns and other modules. Are they gone if I die with the ship?

The insurance would only give me factory default setup, right?

[cobalt blaze]

you'll lose only the modules when you claim or blow up

[jovial matrix]

The mining modules will poof, but your mining head and ship modules will stay

[mighty prawn]

ok

can Prospector mine any ore? All the videos I watched focused only on quantainum. I get it, that's the most profitable one.

I think I got the answer that Prospector cannot mine gems

Is Quantainum considered as ore?

[jovial matrix]

yes I believe so

and yes, the prospector can mine any ore, its just that almost everyone only mines quant since it makes the most money

[mighty prawn]

Is Quantainum the only one with 15 minutes timer?

Is Quantainum also the easiest to find?

[cobalt blaze]

Quantanium is somewhat difficult and yes it's the current only raw volatile cargo in game

[shrewd patio]

8 rock patch my location if anyone wants it

[mighty prawn]

If the players leave that area, are those rocks gone and re-generated when the next player comes into the area?

or if you come back after an hour or so, all those 8 rocks will still be there?

[shrewd patio]

If I stay here and you get into the server im in they will be here but if I move on they will be gone.

[mighty prawn]

oh I see

[shrewd patio]

Last call or I'm moving on

[worthy scroll]

Well here's a funny. Running cargo. Also kinda sick and have a bit of a fever. I go pick up a load, bring it to Lorville. Get up to do something for a while. Get back at the PC, summon my Caterpillar, go to buy another load. It's still full. I never sold the other one.

[cobalt blaze]

Any recommendation for first cargo ship?
Caterpillar and C2 feels a bit too big for me
I probably will be fine with length of caterpillar but the asymmetry might get me
C2 seems a bit too wide, feels like I will catch it going in and out hangars.
Others feel kinda small, don't like the taurus too much and it's a little front heavy

[mighty prawn]

Have you looked at mercury?

[jovial matrix]

freelancer max is a good option

[worthy scroll]

The Cat and C2 are the ones if you want to actually make money running cargo. Sure, you can with smaller ships, but they're easily outclassed by doing other things. If it's credits per hour you want, C2. If you want to run cargo just to change things up, you can go smaller.

[jovial matrix]

could also look at the RAFT

[worthy scroll]

Great little ship, just buggy currently. Unless they fixed the lift.

[jovial matrix]

agreed

[cobalt blaze]

Isn't Mercury costs like too much

[jovial matrix]

its like 5mil yeah

[worthy scroll]

Or get a Taurus.

[jovial matrix]

they said that they dont like the taurus

[worthy scroll]

Ah, I see that now. The Connies really aren't all that front heavy, they land nicely if you put them down right. Not like the Hercs where they just want to tip regardless.

[cobalt blaze]

compared to cargo space to C2 and Cat obviously

[jovial matrix]

Id say look at the freelancer max then. Fairly small, still makes a profit, even if its a tiny one, and its not too hard to fly

[cobalt blaze]

I mean for the price of the mercury to them

Oh yeah the hercs do tip too I remember

[worthy scroll]

They're faaaar worse about it than the Connies.

[cobalt blaze]

I guess IAE it is so I can see what is for me

[worthy scroll]

How much in game cash do you have right now and how have you earned it?

[cobalt blaze]

I want something pretty large

I have like 100k+ rn but have 32 refineries job lol
Planning on renting andro

[shrewd patio]

Got another quantanium patch here if anyone wants it.

[worthy scroll]

Ah, gotcha.

[cobalt blaze]

Will take few runs with andro probably

[thin escarp]

@cobalt blaze refinery has no limits

[jovial matrix]

why dont you just mine them yourself?

[thin escarp]

no bugs with refinery really

[jovial matrix]

that will take like 11 trips in an andromeda

[shrewd patio]

I'm in a rental

[jovial matrix]

probably less, but still

[jovial matrix]

ah ok

[worthy scroll]

The reason I asked is because if you were sitting on millions from bounty hunting or something, you'd probably be disappointed with small ship cargo running. It just doesn't make much.

[cobalt blaze]

good, I can stack my orders while I sort out my cargo no problems

[thin escarp]

what ships you got

[cobalt blaze]

well Cat or C2 are the options really

[thin escarp]

C2 is beast

my go too

[worthy scroll]

Both ships will take some getting used to flying. The C2 will make more money. Period. It holds more and is faster.

[thin escarp]

to drop off all my mole runs

[cobalt blaze]

if there was one a bit rounder and can fit better to hangars

[jovial matrix]

both ships are hard to land. Cat is long, C2 is wide

[cobalt blaze]

yup like I mentioned

[worthy scroll]

Both are very interesting to land in smaller hangars.

[cobalt blaze]

Gonna go rental for the time being

[thin escarp]

how much money you got rn

[cobalt blaze]

^^

Should be around 5 mil

or more idk

[thin escarp]

@cobalt blaze you on rn whats ya ign

[cobalt blaze]

same here with _

[thin escarp]

kk

@cobalt blaze go buy that c2

[cobalt blaze]

?

[worthy scroll]

I'm kinda thinking about using a different ship just to change things up. Get something that carries half what the Cat can, but it'll probably be twice as fast or more.

[cobalt blaze]

I don't like the cat as it has too much doors and take a while to get to the deck

[jovial matrix]

well then you wont like the C2 either lol

[worthy scroll]

But it's the Caterpillar though. Caterpillar is love.

[jovial matrix]

indeed

[cobalt blaze]

Well yeah I don't like neither lol

can't do much really

[thin escarp]

@cobalt blaze check your balance in game

[worthy scroll]

There is one nice perk to flying the Cat every day for months. Once you get used to it's speed, everything else in the game feels like a rocket.

[cobalt blaze]

Don't you dare tell me you gave me UEC
I hate being given no offence

[jovial matrix]

lol

[thin escarp]

Man its no big deal ive been a billionaire so many times i already have everything

enjoy the game my friend

i run one of the top mining groups on SC

[cobalt blaze]

my prospector feels like a bus compared to my aurora and titan
I flew them both and feel so zippy

[jovial matrix]

oh boy, just wait until you fly a cat

that thing is literally a flying brick

[worthy scroll]

Yep, that scales. People say the Connies fly like bricks, they feel like ballerina dancers to me after flying the Cat so long.

I have to retrain my brain when I get in my M50.

[jovial matrix]

lol

[cobalt blaze]

Nooo
I like suffering as much, I want to feel the pain of playing this game and work my way through
feels like I'm cheating rn..

[thin escarp]

if it makes you feel better

[cobalt blaze]

lol that thing

[jovial matrix]

you can always transfer the moeny to someone random

[thin escarp]

ive given out 2.5 billion to new players in the last 2 years.

[north kite]

is mining still busted?

[cobalt blaze]

I feel worse lol no offence

I like working things myself

[worthy scroll]

It's a lot of fun. I mostly use it to scout for ship meet locations for my org.

[cobalt blaze]

I'll keep it for now, greatly appreciated
Will use it for good or when I get frustrated with the game

[cobalt blaze]

is the the fastest small ship?

[jovial matrix]

nope

one of the razors is the fastest ship

[north kite]

razor ex

but it turns poorly

[cobalt blaze]

it seems more like a hovering vehicle to me than a ship
Probably one than can quantum

[north kite]

to my understanding, the m50 is the most maneuverable small ship

[mighty prawn]

Can m50 quantum travel?

[cobalt blaze]

Khartu-al seems fast

[north kite]

razor lx*

[jovial matrix]

Yes

[jovial matrix]

It is extremely maneuverable

[cobalt blaze]

can the razor quantum?

[jovial matrix]

A good pilot in a khartu can dance around any fighter

[mighty prawn]

Excellent, I might upgrade my titan to that once I get a Corsair or something else on warbond

[jovial matrix]

Interesting, why the M50?

[worthy scroll]

Yes. The only small "snub" ships that can't quantum are the Merlin and Archimedes.

[mighty prawn]

me? Once I get a bigger ship for missions and mining, I want something for fun

[jovial matrix]

I see ok

[cobalt blaze]

Is there any merits for M50? Missions wise

[jovial matrix]

Wdym merits?

[cobalt blaze]

like good stuff

[worthy scroll]

It's difficult to hit, and fast. It's fun to do bounties with.

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

Downside is you don’t have the firepower to really do higher tier bounty missions

[worthy scroll]

But it's not efficient for that at all. Just for fun.

[cobalt blaze]

I'm sure it has 2 size 1 weapons

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

Very weak firepower, but it’s fast

[cobalt blaze]

fair enough, just for fun

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

[thin escarp]

@cobalt blaze 350r is fast af

[cobalt blaze]

What are the differences on the constellation ships?
Only Taurus has cargo space value in the calculator
The aquilla has sorta different front

[worthy scroll]

Taurus is a cargo ship, it holds more cargo, has no snub fighter, and has a shielded cargo area in the back. Only one turret I believe, the other is a tractor beam.

Aquila is an exploration ship. Comes with a snub fighter and a rover (if pledged for). Smaller cargo capacity. One turret, the other is a scanner.

Andromeda is a missile boat. Combat ship. Two turrets, tons of missiles, small cargo. Comes with a snub fighter.

The Phoenix is a luxury ship. Two turrets, small cargo, as a pledge it comes with a rover and snub fighter.

[cobalt blaze]

specific cargo capacity?

[jovial matrix]

Taurus has 174, rest have 96 I believe

[ivory gust]

Phoenix has slightly less cargo iirc

[onyx lake]

Phoenix filled to the top with 96 has cargo clipping into the celling, so I would expect that number to be reduced in the future

[ivory gust]

Phoenix has 80 SCU cargo according to the internets

[jovial matrix]

Alright then

[onyx lake]

Im going to check this in game real quick

[cobalt blaze]

cheers

[onyx lake]

Looks like 93 for the Phoenix:
https://i.imgur.com/dgzX5jk.png

[jovial matrix]

Very weird

[cobalt blaze]

the one in New Deals display was a Phoenix right?

[jovial matrix]

Yes

[spring prism]

The Andromeda and Taurus are also in the terminal if you wanted that instead.

[marble crater]

that's super weird. my Phoenix has 96 scu lol

[scenic finch]

4k mass at 40% quant worth it? Rock beside it is 3890 mass and 37% also

[jovial matrix]

Definitely

[spring prism]

What the heck is a... FREIGHT UNIT...

And freight units are inconsistent with cargo box values...

This PDF needs to be updated

1900 / 174 = 10.9195402299
540 / 96 = 5.625
540 / 93 = 5.8064516129

Means Freight Units are no longer compatible with the current SCU system, and cannot be converted.

[scenic finch]

Found 2 6k mass rocks both about 45% and higher. Yet my laser isn’t getting near optimal lol. Even firing a surge

[ivory gust]

Need to surge into optimal and use stampede to finish it quickly. You'll have to use multiple surge charges

[scenic finch]

Would a wave thing help?

[ivory gust]

Waveshift gadget? Potentially

[scenic finch]

I had 4 big decent rocks with quant around me and I could only crack 1 lol.

[glacial dagger]

Where did you find this?

Because that's the old as heck cargo system

[glacial dagger]

Both of these are currently a Prospectors bread and butter, these are what you really wanna go for

[spring prism]

The image? It's on the PDF for the Phoenix Brochure...

Yes, the current one. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/deb6b9pc5fxccr/source/Constellation-Phoenix-V7.pdf

Not joking, click the "Brochure" link on the pledge store above the variants drop down: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/rsi-constellation/Constellation-Phoenix

[sweet creek]

Hi there. I've been trying mining and during my mining trip my ship just randomly shuts down and i can't get it working again. Is it a heat or power issue? and how do i not break my ship? lol

[glacial dagger]

Are you in an ROC by any chance?

[sweet creek]

No, Prospector

[glacial dagger]

Have you modified any components?

[sweet creek]

I put an Atlas as my quantum and put a lanclet in for the mining laser

[glacial dagger]

Ok, so it sounds like you probably havn't got a strong enough Generator. I would look to try and upgrade that one if you can

[jovial matrix]

you'd want a genoa powerplant, which can be bought at new babbage or everus harbor

[sweet creek]

Brill, that was my next question!

i'll go pick one up

[jovial matrix]

hopefully that fixes your issue

[sweet creek]

I saw two guides, one says to run two x surge and 1 x stampede. The other guide says to run two x focus passives and one brant - thoughts on what works best?

mining quant

[jovial matrix]

I dont mine quant, so i cant help you with that

[glacial dagger]

personally, I prefer passive modules as you only have to replace them after ship claims. I like to run 2x Reiger C3 and 1x Vaux C3

[finite spade]

Is hand mining bugged? I tried cracking a rock with the orebit attachment but got nowhere on the left-hand graph thing, even at full power...

[north oyster]

Was it a small, hand minable deposit? The hand mining only cracks the tiny rocks, I think .025 in size? The .8 rocks are for the ROC.

[finite spade]

Ohhh... I think it may have been larger than 0.025. Did not realize that was a thing...

[cobalt blaze]

doesn't any module get lost when claiming, doesn't matter if permanent or disposable ones?

[glacial dagger]

Indeed, but passive modules also dont get used up

[cobalt blaze]

only when you claim?

[glacial dagger]

More than likely found an ROC gem rock

[glacial dagger]

nope, even in use. Passive modules dont get used up when in use, they only get lost if the ship gets claimed

[cobalt blaze]

but you said you can claim and not lose them

I know passive doesn't get used up
But claiming I'm sure they do get lost

[glacial dagger]

No? I said you only have to replace them after the ship gets claimed

and the message says edited because I accidentally put donly 😄

[cobalt blaze]

I must've been confused

thing is they cost so much

[stoic bramble]

I've lost a few Focus 3's by claiming

Annoying to fly around to get new ones

[cobalt blaze]

You could lose more than what you could earn
disposable ones are cheaper by comparison

[stoic bramble]

Ship also blew up in hangar a few times, so Im down a few hundred k's on Focus 3's

[stoic bramble]

Yeah, true. As long as you're able to break big rocks theres no need for passive ones really

[cobalt blaze]

had to pay 180k for FLTR-XL. my game decided to lose them
but 20% isn't big unless you're on mole or you do prospector with 2 rocks that are 15% each
Stopped using it, would definitely squeeze for my prospect but anything over 32 I can 99.99% or those over 20 get pretty much all of it

[stoic bramble]

I usually do a Mole run from time to time, my average is usually 40-60scu of quant.

I do miss how quick n easy the prospector make things though

But it sucks when you hit that 40% 7000+mass rock in the prospector, feels bad to leave stuff behind :p

[cobalt blaze]

Is mole even worth for solo

[stoic bramble]

Depends on how you play I guess

Prospector will do just fine, but if you want to squeeze out a bit extra the Mole can do way more

Can have 3x mining head setups etc

[cobalt blaze]

the timer though

[stoic bramble]

You just crack everything before you start scooping, not a big issue

[cobalt blaze]

Also I feel like you can't really fill it, only about half

[stoic bramble]

You can do a 96scu quant run solo if you want, just depends on the cluster luck

[cobalt blaze]

I had bug when I had to scan the rocks again which took time
idk if the game can handle that many rocks at the same time lol

[stoic bramble]

Ye, noticed that. Seem to lose scan data from time to time

But you can kinda tell what type of rock it is by just looking at the greenzone

Usually get that before the actual info pops up

Most of the quant rocks are like aluminum, quartz etc

So a rock shard with quant in it will almost always have a tiny greenzone

And with a Mole you dont have to be that selective on what you scoop up, unless you hit the jackpot

[cobalt blaze]

Mole has some bug too

[stoic bramble]

Now that is true :p

[cobalt blaze]

I mean when you start to extract stuff

when time is crucial lol

[stoic bramble]

Not sure how they managed to mess it up this bad. It used to be better in early 2020

[stoic bramble]

Plenty of time to scoop up 96 scu and fly to the refinery

You can even set up a Helix as your main extractor

[cobalt blaze]

Like get impoujded? lol how is that even possible, coz they turn to inert
I get impounded just by landing on designated area lol

[stoic bramble]

Weird, havent had that issue yet

My biggest hangar issue has been this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/351138630867222529/1035278711546728468/unknown.png

[cobalt blaze]

yeah I saw a mole, I was like whoa

[stoic bramble]

Big box inside the hangar with a hitbox, blocking your ship if you're trying to land, or blows your ship up when you spawn it

[cobalt blaze]

didn't knew it was that massive

[stoic bramble]

Well, thats a Carrack, but the Mole is also pretty big

[cobalt blaze]

up ik

saw a mole too before

when I went on the wrong hangar

[stoic bramble]

Part of me feels that the Mole should have had more space than 96 scu

But in practice its not that bad

Spending hours mining just to have a 30k feels pretty bad, so going back more regularly to drop off ore isnt a bad idea

[cobalt blaze]

Still deciding which cargo ship too, they are too wide or too long lol

[stoic bramble]

Depends on what size you want I guess

[cobalt blaze]

mining or looking for the right rocks? I take hours to find one that is over 20% lol

[stoic bramble]

You know how to scan for clusters right?

[cobalt blaze]

nope

[stoic bramble]

No idea how experienced you are

Ah

[cobalt blaze]

crap I'm missing a core mechanic lol

[stoic bramble]

You need to narrow down the ping angle, that way you can tell if the rocks 10+km away is a single rock or a cluster

[cobalt blaze]

I literally just started mining 3/4 days ago

[stoic bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTI8N7NnxsM&t=1341s&ab_channel=LoudGuns

timestamped

[cobalt blaze]

tbh I was confused when i get result at 4k and 5k distance lol

[stoic bramble]

You probably have to bind the keys for it. Ping angle is different from the scan angle you adjust with the mousewheel

[cobalt blaze]

makes sense

they're too far on my m/k

will make looking a bit easier

[stoic bramble]

Also, Lyria clusters are 100% quant rocks

Like, guaranteed to be quant, not actual 100% quant in the rocks :p

[cobalt blaze]

I'm in the asteroid

can my ship even hover in lyria

[stoic bramble]

Yeah, tiny moon so its np

No wind either

Prospector can switch to hovermode anyways

[cobalt blaze]

I feel like the belt is a bit bugged

[stoic bramble]

Yeah, I prefer planetary mining

[cobalt blaze]

never had my prospector on gravity lol

I was like vtol isn't probably needed

[stoic bramble]

Its not that bad. You just use a bit more hydrogen

[cobalt blaze]

Just started mining so prospector was more reachable than mole
will need a cargo ship too

[stoic bramble]

Prospector is a great moneymaker

And you dont need a massive ship to haul the ore back to the cities

or well, refined stuff

Might even be able to rent one every now and then to get going

[cobalt blaze]

id like surge though

[cobalt blaze]

I have tons on refinery though

[stoic bramble]

Just means you have to do some extra trips :p

[cobalt blaze]

will take a few trips with a const

yup

also sort of insurance
I don't blow everything up

[stoic bramble]

Yea, that would suck

[mighty prawn]

Are the prices on this site, accurate? https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes

I just landed into one of the outpost and the price is higher than what was listed

[glacial dagger]

Their mostly accurate. You can only really get accurate data if people go to buy stuff and then report what the prices are, because data skimming wont work as the prices are now able to fluctuate

[cobalt blaze]

cheers for all the tips

[glacial dagger]

UEX is also a pretty good site

https://uexcorp.space/commodities

[mighty prawn]

Thanks, I thought the prices are fixed. I guess it is fixed only for selling ore.

[glacial dagger]

You can also set up and record your refinery orders on the UEX site and get irl notifications when refinery orders are done and ready to collect 😄

[mighty prawn]

oh, cool

[stoic bramble]

Np! That video is solid if you got time on your hands.

[cobalt blaze]

That's the one I watched lol

[glacial dagger]

For example

[cobalt blaze]

so I can make the most out of my rent too kinda

[stoic bramble]

Myeah, you dont have to cash out every day.

[mighty prawn]

ok, thanks, does the price change on daily basis or something? I was trying to do trade

[glacial dagger]

So when trading irl, if you buy a lot of something, the price will normally go up almost straight away. In SC, it does fluctuate on purchase

If I buy 300SCU of Gold, then the price of gold fromt hat 1 purchase might bearly move

[cobalt blaze]

found a 9 cluster lol
I wouldn't have before

[glacial dagger]

But if 200 people buy 300SCU of gold,t hen suddenly the price of it goes wacky

That's what's happening with laranite rn

[mighty prawn]

ok, thanks, I was trying to do Laranite trade

[glacial dagger]

Yh, Laranite is supposed to be the highest profit commodity for the smallser SCU ships. What's the largest cargo capable ship you have?

[mighty prawn]

But all the ore we are trying to sell from mining are all fixed, or does that change as well? ore / minerals?

[mighty prawn]

I am doing it in Titan with 80 SCU, but I was just trying out until I get a bigger ship

[glacial dagger]

👀

[mighty prawn]

I am glad I tried it, otherwise, I would have believed that all the prices are fixed just the quantity buy/sell changes

[glacial dagger]

Uhh, bro.....Titan has 8 SCU

[mighty prawn]

I made a mere 2.2k profit

oops, I meant 8 SCU

[glacial dagger]

Yh, I wouldn't really bother using the Titan for generic cargo

[mighty prawn]

Yeah, I was just trying out

[glacial dagger]

At that SCU size your better dipping your toes into drug running

[mighty prawn]

Maybe I will get my hands on freelancer soon

[glacial dagger]

Just be careful, buying drugs is easy, selling drugs is a different matter

[mighty prawn]

I thought about renting freelancer and start trading, but if the price is unknown, hard to know if I can make enough profits to make it worth it

[mighty prawn]

ok, at one point, an outpost was shooting at me when I tried to land on it

[glacial dagger]

Price isn't unknown, you just have to think of it as not a pixed price but a range

[mighty prawn]

I was going to buy drugs

[glacial dagger]

That's not an outpost then, that's a bunker

No outposts/trade locations have guns

Where were you?

[mighty prawn]

NT-999-XX

They did have turrets

[glacial dagger]

pretty sure that's a combat bunker, not a trade outpost

lemme search real quick

Ok, the location is actually a trade post, but you probably got shot at by players or AI pirate ships, not turrets

[mighty prawn]

I did not see any ships though

blue or red triangle things

It was possible that it was a bugged at that time

maybe I will go and check

because that might be profitable for my shiop

So, even if buy C2, if I keep doing those trades, the price will narrow and profit will not be much, right?

[glacial dagger]

https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Avenger%2520Titan%2522,%2522investment%2522:1000000,%2522itemName%2522:%2522Scrap%2522,%2522itemQuantity%2522:500,%2522profitType%2522:%2522pure%2522,%2522itemTypes%2522:%255B%2522Vice%2522%255D,%2522itemTypesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%2522Stanton%2520%253E%2520microTech%2520%253E%2520New%2520Babbage%2520%253E%2520Admin%2522,%2522Stanton%2520%253E%2520microTech%2520%253E%2520New%2520Babbage%2520%253E%2520Trade%2520and%2520Development%2520Division%2522%255D%257D

There is the link for Avenger titan doing vice

Dont forget, the prices might not be exact, but it's a good start.

[mighty prawn]

ok

[glacial dagger]

For some reason, UEX doesn't have VICE in it's system

[glacial dagger]

And no, once you start dealing with ships 120SCU and larger, you wanna start looking at a more bulk buy solution. This is where my 1st and 2nd rules come into balance. You need to weigh up if getting 40 SCU of laranite is worth more than filling your ship with a smaller profit margin material, and lemme tell you, for most of the commodities, it's not

[mighty prawn]

ok

[cobalt blaze]

Does the mole has vtol?
is vtol useful on prospector when surface mining? I feel like it coupled could handle it

[glacial dagger]

It does. Currently all ships can actually fly flat or even inverted with their manuvering thrusters

Having vtol down can help you take off a bit faster int he vertical way though

[mortal linden]

What is currently The mining head setup for Prospector quant and basic mining?

[glacial dagger]

Personally, Lancet I mining head with 2x Reiger C3 and 1x Vaux C3

Passive modules so they dont run out (can still be lost if the ship is claimed though)

Cracks anything below 5.6k mass

I know some others prefer to run Stampeeds and Brants though

[mighty prawn]

Is Lancet a must? does the default mining laser just take longer to crack or it is not possible at all with default mining laser?

[glacial dagger]

It helps increate the stability and optimal zone of the rock wich is kinda useful for quant

You can crack quant rocks with the stock/rented prospector, but your gonna have a...fun time trying to do so

[mighty prawn]

So, default mining laser is possible, it's just it might take a lot longer time?

[cobalt blaze]

mainly when keeping the ship on air with gravity still

[glacial dagger]

Ehh, don't really need it, but it can look pretty cool

[mortal linden]

Thanks. Seems I am not completely brain-dead yet, had that exact srtup 👍

[cobalt blaze]

I haven't tried any big ships so idk how vtol perform
since most small can hover fine without vtol

[glacial dagger]

Oh, and get you out of explosive distance if needed as well 😄

[glacial dagger]

Exactly. Takes a little longer and is a lot more sketchy as it's cracking quant with a much smaller optimal zone

[mighty prawn]

ok, I am thinking of set up so that if I die, I wouldn't care since I do not have expensive modules

Like, I might be in the middle of the mining and suddenly I have to go afk

[glacial dagger]

Then dont do that

Mining needs a dedicated amount of time. Clear your schedual for the next 15-20 mins, because you will need it

Obvs if your just out scouting with no cargo on you, go for it. Maybe set up a macro key to press Q or E every couple of mins, then if you have to go afk, get out of your seat, go prone in the rear compartment and then set off the macro and start rolling over while afk 😄

It's the first macro I set up on my keygoard, and I friggin love it 😄

[mighty prawn]

ok, thanks

[cobalt blaze]

is there an idle timeout?

[glacial dagger]

Yup. I think it's 20 mins?

[mighty prawn]

I am looking at a rock with green spots all over the rock, which mineral is this?

[glacial dagger]

Might be less

[glacial dagger]

Green sounds like copper. You wanna look for the orange stripes for quant

[glacial dagger]

Wait, big rock or little rock?

[mighty prawn]

Sorry, blue-ish hue

Is this big?

[glacial dagger]

Wait. Are you on Wala rn?

Because that looks like Wala

[mighty prawn]

yes, I thought I was in Lyria

I was doing one of those routes

[glacial dagger]

Wala has the un-minable green rocks everywhere, it's unfortunatly just a part of the terrain

[mighty prawn]

Going to Lyria now

[glacial dagger]

I would love it if we were able to harvest it and try to sell 😄

[mighty prawn]

ok

[wooden pendant]

Any one can guide us how to do mining :p

[cobalt blaze]

https://youtu.be/lTI8N7NnxsM

I'm assuming any rocks that are under the surface are not extractable?
like some sort of tax

[jovial matrix]

Not if you buy the right drugs and sell them to the right location

Reclamation and disposal orinth on hurston buys Etam and neon pretty reliably, I don’t think I’ve ever had to wait to sell 10SCU of either drug there

[cobalt blaze]

anyone?

[glacial dagger]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I was trying to say dont buy too much or you will have to wait ages to try and sell it. You can buy like 40SCU of drugs, but not many places let you sell more than 4-5 SCU to them

[glacial dagger]

If the rock is completly under the ground but you can still detect/scan it, try getting your laser on it, you might still be able to crack it. Otherwise, no, you wont be abel to get at it

[jovial matrix]

Ok, my bad

[glacial dagger]

Nah, s'all good 😄

[floral willow]

What are people's thoughts on the Spirit C1? The tractor is nice, and it's got decent firepower, but a Freelancer MAX will fit way more cargo and a Cutlass Black fits slightly less cargo but has a turret AND a tractor. I have a C2 and a Genesis (as well as a Hull B and Crusader Star Runner for smaller scale gameplay) but I'm considering if maybe the C1 or the E1 might be nice additions to a mostly soloable fleet

Follow-up; the E1 doesn't really have a competitor, does it? I guess technically the 600i Touring and the Constellation Phoenix will be able to do passenger/VIP missions, but those are both much larger and very different ships. The Star Runner certainly has room for passengers, so maybe?
Meanwhile, the C1 goes up against the Cutlass Black, the Freelancer (and the Max), the RAFT, and the Hull (less so since the C1 is internal cargo). Any others I missed?

[pliant matrix]

C1 isn't going against Raft and Hull since those too are very cargo focused when cutlass/C1 are multiroles

[floral willow]

The C1 is multirole? Is that mostly because it can carry a vehicle or something else?

[north oyster]

Yes, C1 is a direct competitor to the cutty and FL

The Cutlass Black is the "Swiss Army Knife" of Star Citizen. Good at everything, great at nothing.

The C1 will about the same size as those two ships

Notice the loaner ships for the Spirit class are all Cutlass variants

Excited about the prospects of VIP game play, the Spirit E1 makes it easy to jump in that loop without having to buy a Connie, 600i, or 890 Jump

[mighty prawn]

What VIP game play?

[north oyster]

Or the passenger ship ... Genesis Starliner

[floral willow]

They did say "prospects of"

As in, VIP game play isn't in yet

[sweet creek]

How do i get rid of the inert materials i've picked up? presuming its useless

[north oyster]

VIP game play is a LONG WAYS off, but it is were you transport VIPs and NPCS

[north oyster]

Only when you refine it, the inert can be filtered out with an attachment but it slows the harvest down

[sweet creek]

says i have 399 but when i hit work order i can't refine it

so not sure what to do with it

[ivory gust]

When you submit the work order the inert is removed

[sweet creek]

oh ok, thanks

[floral willow]

Yeah, that's absolutely fair. And the 600i Touring is definitely much larger than the E1. I'm leaning towards the C1 over the E1 because I already have both the 600i Touring and the Genesis for passenger/VIP stuff, and I don't really have a small-ish cargo ship other than the Hull B which is obviously all external cargo. I like the Freelancer MAX in theory, but hate the cockpit design and I'm hopeful that the C1 will look more like the MSR, if that makes sense. But 48 SCU of cargo is not a lot... Just not quite sure where it fits in, currently over something like the MSR or Constellation Aquila, both of which I have

Maybe I just need to wait until IAE, see what this new rumoured Drake ship is. I am leaning more towards smaller, single person craft these days; all of the large ships I have were pretty early pledges, and it's looking less and less likely that I'll ever really get to use them to their full extent

[mighty prawn]

Corsair ship looks good!

[north oyster]

I was a little too hyped by the Spirit and picked up the C1 and E1 and a CCU for the A1. I also plan to get a CCU to the 600i Explorer because I feel it will be a beast of a ship with the refactor. The E1 allows me to play VIP courier without the over the top expense. I have the HULL C and look forward to real trade, but that will be a long ways off too. The MAX is one of my favorites and no one does ROC duty better (valkyrie is also really good, close second).

I paid off my credit card and have her sitting on standby for IAE, LOL
it might be ugly

[floral willow]

Hehe, fair. Can the Nomad hold a ROC, incidentally?

[north oyster]

yes, but you have to back it in

[ivory gust]

Valkyrie better than MAX for ROC mining if you ignore the cost due to stronger scanner

[north oyster]

Cost is the Key. The MAX's hydrogen scoops are best in industry, I never have to refuel not matter how long I mine

But do love the Valk

[ivory gust]

Carrack better than all of them tho, stronger scanner and med bed to regen in

[north oyster]

I sort of like the footprint of the MAX over the Carrack though, LOL

[ivory gust]

Just keep the carrack floating and mine out the front door, using a DS of course for the longer range

[north oyster]

Not a bad idea but I really love going out on the planet surface with the ROC. That game play loop is actually my favorite in the game, I don't do much because of the lack of protection for harvested gems (less moving it to ship and you happen to be in ship when game craps out)

[floral willow]

Between the Hull B, Expanse, Prospector, and Reliant Sen, I already have 4 MISC ships. The Freelancer MAX is probably my favourite ship in theory of the smaller cargo craft, I just can't get over that dumb internal layout. Here's hoping it'll get a rework, since none of the metrics work internally for NPC pathing for example

And the cockpit visibility... Man, I wish they'd give the Freelancer the bubble cockpit view of the Prospector, it's so nice to actually be able to SEE space...

[ivory gust]

Freelancer is definitely overdue for an update but that's probably at least a few years off, they don't make money from reworking existing ships

[north oyster]

I had the MAX but CCU'd to the Taurus when it was so cheap. I buy one in game first thing after every reset though

Rework could generate revenue if they promoted it right

I think it will for the 600i

[mighty prawn]

Is 600i rework coming in 3.17.4?

[north oyster]

no, next year some time

or longer

My Corsair IS coming in 3.17.4 🙂

[floral willow]

I do like the Taurus. I wonder if the size difference between FL MAX (allegedly still Medium size) and Taurus (Large?) will ever become impactful

[ivory gust]

600i rework is a much bigger change than what the Freelancers will get though, in all likelihood, since it's adding functionality the ship doesn't already have

[north oyster]

Carry a Tonk? That's crazy, LOL

[floral willow]

Yeah, Freelancers just need to be jiggled a bit to fit components and have enough space for NPCs to actually function

"Just" 😄

Maybe the C1 IS the better option. While it does have less cargo than something like the Freelancer, it will have a tractor which will eventually make a difference once Cargo Refactor happens

[north oyster]

I wonder if the ramp will be better laid out for the ROC over the cutty and FL

[floral willow]

You think the C1 will fit a ROC? So far all they've talked about is the... whatchamacall it, the smaller buggy thing

[north oyster]

it will fail as an offering (IMO) if it doesn't

[ivory gust]

Cyclone, which is slightly larger wheelbase than the ROC, but not as tall--so if they pull a 400i and forget about the height it's possible the ROC won't fit

and absolutely agree, if it can't fit a ROC it'll be pretty much strictly worse than a Cutlass

[north oyster]

They do claim to be on the road to resolving the 400i issue also

[floral willow]

Aaah, that makes sense

[ivory gust]

Obvious solution: move the top-mounted lights on the ROC down to the front top of the cab instead

[north oyster]

that would make too much sense, please don't venture into that area

[floral willow]

In that case, I think I'll keep my Cutlass to C1 CCU. It's only a few bucks, and I do like the way it looks. While the Freelancer or the Freelancer MAX will carry more cargo, I probably will enjoy flying the Spirit more 😄 Besides, if I really want to carry cargo I can always use a Caterpillar or C2

[north oyster]

C2 is such a fun ship

That new Xi'an flightsuit looks sick too ... excited to have it for subscriber flair this month (if rumors are to be believed)

[ivory gust]

C2 needs to be a lot less fun imo, it flies more like a fighter than a heavy cargo ship

[jovial matrix]

It’s that crusader engineering magic

[onyx lake]

Crusader designs their ships around in atmospheric flight and good handling.

[stoic bramble]

Its pretty agile for a ship its size

[ivory gust]

That's fine, but there's also the game balance considerations, and right now the C2 is better in every category than the Caterpillar, and that doesn't make for healthy game balance

[onyx lake]

The Caterpillar is planned to be modular and is quite a bit cheaper on the pledge store. In game, the price difference doesnt make sense though.

[ivory gust]

Purchase price can't be a balancing factor between "option A" and "option B which is just better than option A in all ways"

[onyx lake]

Why not? We have the Freelancer as the cheap cargo ship, the Taurus as the next step up, the Caterpillar, the C2, then the big Hull series 🤷

[jovial matrix]

The thing is there’s no point to having the caterpillar as a stepping stone in between the taurus and the C2 rn

[onyx lake]

Once modularity is implemented for the Caterpillar, I think it will really shine.

[mighty prawn]

I have the same concern about Corsair. Corsair can fit Ursa, but ROC has higher height than Ursa.

[ivory gust]

Have you seen the pictures though? Corsair's rear bay is big

[ivory gust]

But the Taurus has disadvantages over the Freelancer (less maneuverable), and then the Caterpillar even more so

[jovial matrix]

Corsair will 100% fit an ROC, there’s no way it can’t

[mighty prawn]

I think it would. Just not 100% sure. I hope to rent out Corsair in IAE and check this out.

[ivory gust]

Price can be a balancing factor if it's relevant long term (e.g., more expensive ships have more expensive insurance or something), but up-front purchase price isn't

[mighty prawn]

I am hoping to get LTI with warbond, if I go with Corsair

Will the Corsair be immediately available during IAE?

[ivory gust]

Probably

Can always buy an STV with LTI now and then CCU to Corsair

[mighty prawn]

So, warbond does not guarantee an LTI?

Ok, looking up STV

[ivory gust]

Not always afaik, but you can also save more money by chaining discount warbond CCUs

[mighty prawn]

I see. SO, I get STV with LTI and wait for the chaining discount CCU to be available?

[jovial matrix]

You buy a warbond STV now, and then when the Corsair goes up for sale, you CCU the STV to a Corsair

[mighty prawn]

Ok, thanks

Is Corsair pledge price expected to go up, since it is going to be available in the next path?

[ivory gust]

Yes

It'll probably go up to $240 or so

[mighty prawn]

ok

[hollow sedge]

what is the best material when you go mining in space

[zenith maple]

Here is a nice little info page for mining. https://redmonstergaming.com/mining-cheat-sheets/

Quantainium is what people tend to go after for those big big bucks

[crimson mantle]

If you want one that stays up-to-date 😉
https://sc-trade.tools/ores/Spaceship

[hardy mesa]

Quantanium has a timer once you pick it up after 15 minutes it explodes