industrial-professions

[jovial matrix]

It’s about 200k per full ROC of hadanite

[ivory gust]

A ROC full of hadanite is 220k. That can take you anywhere from 45min (if you have a scout and/or are really lucky) to 2+ hours

[fresh needle]

FR.. i thought hadanite is expensive.. n how long it does it take to have a full load n where can i selll

[fresh needle]

so it takes about 2 hours to make 200k?

[jovial matrix]

You can sell at ground outposts, cities, or stations

[ivory gust]

45min-2hrs

[fresh needle]

god damn.. is that even worth it?

[jovial matrix]

If you enjoy it, then yeah

For pure money making there’s better options though

[fresh needle]

mining isn't the best for fun...

whats a good way to make money im not a big fan of quant

[jovial matrix]

Bounty missions and combat service beacons make good money

Can do them back to back very fast

[spring prism]

I got about 114k in an hour and a half from hadanite. using ROC + Cutlass Black. But it was RNG.

The next time I only got about 80k

[fresh needle]

well as of rn im sitting at 3.3mil idk if i should just save up n make my money on Connie

cuz i was thinking of gettin g the cutty black for mining but not sure if its worth the cash

[spring prism]

It's extremely recommended you use a macro like via voice attack to automate transferring from the ROC to your ship of choice

Since ships won't lose their stowage if you d/c

[jovial matrix]

You can rent a cutty black if you wanna go ROC mining

Much cheaper

[tiny lake]

3 mil? Kinda sounds like you make good money to me!

[fresh needle]

it was from cave diving but had the worst luck late kept getting ganked

[spring prism]

If you're getting a constellation taurus for this, it's highly recommended you do that macro, because you're probably going for multiple trips before selling.

Also be advised, some hadanite locations will require your connie to land farther away than you'd like. Which is why I'd recommend a cutlass black instead, smaller.

[fresh needle]

no i wanted the connie andro for all around n i wanna switch tob ounty hunting

[spring prism]

lol, good luck with that. Especially if you don't have buddies to man those turrets

[fresh needle]

i heard just keep it range n have them come at me

[spring prism]

That's why I have the Defender as my fighter, since it can be wholly solo'd, and has room in case I go to a bunker for loot: #4-8-0-live message

[misty coyote]

This... I really like my Defender....the quantum travel bothers me though

[spring prism]

Well, at least you have 2750 Quantum Fuel, unlike other light fighters. Don't need to refuel that for a while.

[fresh needle]

so should i just buy the cutty black for all around.. or save up 700kj more for the connie

[misty coyote]

It's classed light on the fleet... But we all know it medium...

[misty coyote]

Connie.... Get the Taurus...

[spring prism]

Hoestly, I'd recommend renting the cutlass, for one day each time, save up for the taurus. You're not going to be using that snub anyway

Do not rent for 3+ days, the higher day rentals are bugged, and will cost you more than listed.

[fresh needle]

the taurus n connie only difference is SCU n the snub?

[jovial matrix]

Taurus is missing the bottom turret and some missiles as well

[spring prism]

Constellation Taurus removes the snub, and the room is converted into extra cargo

And yeah, the bottom turret iirc is meant to be replaced by the tractor beam or something, whenever that comes.

[fresh needle]

yeah no cuz i got a homie play n another one might be joining so i was thinking of getting the connie that way

[jovial matrix]

Yeah it has tractor beams instead of guns

[jovial matrix]

Then andromeda would be better for you and your two buddies yeah

[spring prism]

I mean, the constellation andromeda still has 96 SCU, which is more than the cutlass black, but as I said, you're going to have to likely land farther from hadanite deposits when you find them

But hey, at least your vehicle bay will be nice and easy to get out of, unlike the cutlass black

Also if you get far from your ship, just remember your ship shows up as a ping if you look around and scan

[ivory gust]

Constellation is great for bounty missions, even solo. Best non-torp for ERTs, good for VHRTs

[fresh needle]

that's quite true i didn't think of that, cuz there's going to be 3 of me buddies playing that's the only reason that's true i can always get the cutty

[spring prism]

Just remember to add your buddies to a party. If you don't, they can be charged with tresspassing on your ship if you feel like it

[fresh needle]

bro lmao speaking of that my buddy has a warrant rn can he still get rid of it in a bunker?

[ivory gust]

If you're buying a ship for ROC mining solo, consider a Nomad instead of a Cutlass

[spring prism]

or a freelancer (if you can stand its cockpit.)

[ivory gust]

At any Security Post bunker, bring a tiger claw hacking chip

[ivory gust]

Why tho? Bigger and more expensive than the Cutlass

[spring prism]

easier to get in with the roc

[ivory gust]

Freelancer max sure, normal one not really. Nomad still wins

[tiny lake]

I hated flying the connie last night

[spring prism]

Yeah, I suppose.

Just as a note though @fresh needle, if you get the nomad, the nose will wildly point down when you enter atmosphere.

[ivory gust]

Only if you're going fast

[spring prism]

Who doesn't go fast?

[ivory gust]

Keep it under 300m/s and you're fine

[tiny lake]

It was clunky and difficult to handle. It didn't make landing easy either. For some reason it balances on the back half the ship and if the elevator was down yikes

[ivory gust]

People who want to survive in the nomad

[spring prism]

Well, at least make sure to go 250 when rushing around scanning for hadanite

[fresh needle]

very extremely hot take, nomad is ugly asf

[jovial matrix]

It’s easy to get an ROC in and out of a cutty, I don’t get why people say it’s difficult

[ivory gust]

You are entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong

[fresh needle]

it reminds of the ships from ED the ASP, n i think its ugly flat diamond looking ass headass ship

[ivory gust]

Fairly certain it's intended to be an homage to the asp

[misty coyote]

The Nomad would be my favourite, if the grav sleds weren't crap.

I get it's unique, but I'd like real landing gear.

[spring prism]

I've already had trouble with it so many times. I even 30k'd because I did an invalid movement

[fresh needle]

we're going to have a wipe when 4.0 drops huh?

[glacial dagger]

More than likely

[tiny lake]

That's a while away though isn't it?

[ivory gust]

there are at least 4 wipes left: 3.18, 4.0, beta, release

Probably a few others

[rugged axle]

Another 10 years of at least 1 wipe per year 😉

[fresh needle]

is trading worth it?

[nova talon]

so i just put a finished load of quant in my cutty black, but i go to my cutty and its empty?

[ivory gust]

quant doesn't have physical crates

[nova talon]

oh. so how do i know it actually went?

[ivory gust]

it's a gas, you're breathing it...hope you used an airlock to get in your ship, and are wearing a helmet

[nova talon]

cap

[ivory gust]

(is joke)

[nova talon]

hah yea.

[ivory gust]

You can check at admin terminal of station, that'll show it. otherwise just trust

[nova talon]

well, thx guess ill go to area 18

whats the admin termina;

[ivory gust]

admin terminal is where you do trading at stations, it's on the galleria deck. it will show that your ship has stuff in it

[nova talon]

ok thx

[north oyster]

Have you been to the TDD at Area18? That's the place to sell your quantainium

[nova talon]

yea. this is my second run

i hate big areas like this. trains suck

[north oyster]

Awesome, welcome to the money train

[nova talon]

i have a hard time finding quant unfortunately

[north oyster]

Next ship might want to look at the MAX

[nova talon]

whats it for

[north oyster]

120 SCU instead of 42

Where are you mining?

[nova talon]

for mining? or cargo

Halo belt rn.

5th i heard is the best ring

[north oyster]

Using active angle ping?

[nova talon]

i think so

i set it to 90 degres

degrees

[north oyster]

No, once you have a target, you can ID it over 12Km away

[prime heron]

12km?

[north oyster]

Or know if a dud

[nova talon]

i scan, then fly to it, then scan again

as opposed to hitting . or , to narrow it

[north oyster]

No, someone link him the red monster video, I am not where I can do that

[jovial matrix]

46*

[north oyster]

I posted it earlier today

[nova talon]

267000 uec for that load. not bad

[jovial matrix]

Very nice

[north oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz8TOCUa0Ms

[nova talon]

thx

[north oyster]

This will totally revolutionize your mining

[nova talon]

i do that, but its annoying cause i find it quicker to fly to it, as opposed to spamming .

[north oyster]

Also there is one other trick, before you spawn your prospector pull the laser off of it spawn it then stow it then restore the laser on it. This will increase the number of valid targets by about 50%

[nova talon]

i find that when i do a 2 degree ping, i miss cause stuff gets between me and a rock 12 km away

[north oyster]

Also, there is another trick that if you come up on a cluster that you suspect might be quantanium, you can EVA out of your ship to the distance where it says " you have left your ship " and when you get back into seat you can scan the cluster

[nova talon]

how does one suspect its quant other than seeing Q

[north oyster]

No you only use the 2% ping for specific targets You do not travel with that, you go from 90 to 2% depending on the target. Just watch the video it will make sense

[nova talon]

yea. i know

i already do that strat

but i didnt like it

[tiny lake]

How're you mining with a Cutty black in the halo?

[north oyster]

Okay, each unto their own. It has made my trips way more profitable, I made four trips and pulled about 800,000 aUEC

[tiny lake]

Can you put a mining laser on it?

[nova talon]

prospector

[tiny lake]

Oh hah gotcha

[nova talon]

i made 4 trips too haha. 1 crashed 1 glitched my quant away 2 i just turned in but 1 didnt have much quant since it was my first try

took like all day tho

[ivory gust]

...what stuff

There's basically nothing to get between you and the targets

[nova talon]

other rocks

im also building my own headtracker. should be done today, so i can look around the cockpit to see deposits too

[ivory gust]

non-mineable rocks don't interfere with the scan

[nova talon]

oh well thats weird

i must get a lot of unscannable rocks that show up

can i buy a better scanner?

[ivory gust]

yes, there will be a lot of unscannables that give no details

no, you can't change to a different scanner

[nova talon]

ok

[fresh needle]

im in enew Bababage where can i sell my ores in NB?

[zenith maple]

go to commons, go to plaza, go straight across the fancy glass floor and up the stairs on the other side

[fresh needle]

thnx

[zenith maple]

you want the Trade and development on the top

so a left when you come up the stairs from the train

[fresh needle]

cuz i have Dolivine but they wont buy it?

[zenith maple]

the planetary service might buy that, I know they have a panel for other stuff

[jovial matrix]

You need the admin office

At the planetary services

[fresh needle]

is that in NB?

[jovial matrix]

Yes

In the commons

[zenith maple]

yes, look right side in the bottom of the top circle

[fresh needle]

ohh where u buy the mining armor?

[zenith maple]

MT planetary service

[jovial matrix]

Shubin interstellar for armor

Also in the commons

[zenith maple]

other side from the armor

[fresh needle]

got it found it thnx

[jovial matrix]

Cool

[fresh needle]

is cave diving still worth doing?

[jovial matrix]

Yes it is

[fresh needle]

hadanite still drops?

[jovial matrix]

The cave missions that spawn enemies payout like 100k+ per cave from the looted dolovine

The enemies don’t drop hadanite, but the dolovine they drop pays much higher than normal dolovine

[fresh needle]

ahh ok cuz i remember hadanite drops n before nerf i can do about 200k maybe 300k most ive gotten is about 400k i think

[jovial matrix]

Mm yeah

It’s 100k+ per cave now, still pretty good

[fresh needle]

one more thing u know where to keybind remove helmet?

[jovial matrix]

I don’t know

[fresh needle]

found it thankls

[zenith maple]

I just drag mine into my backpack

[fresh needle]

wheres u guy's home base? i made mine at ARC L1

[jovial matrix]

Generally lorville, but I hang out all over the system

[fresh needle]

fair

[zenith maple]

I like microtech

[jovial matrix]

New Babbage is my favorite city

[nova talon]

microtech bussin

[jovial matrix]

Facts

[zenith maple]

like, I know I should go to the spacestation and set my spawn there

but I just like waking up and taking the train in NB

[jovial matrix]

Mmm

I haven’t bothered resetting my spawn point since the 3.17.3 patch lol

It’s pretty quick to leave lorville so I don’t really mind

[nova talon]

so if i find an asteroid with quant. should i mine it? i deadass dont know

like if i break it, it might not give a lot

[zenith maple]

you can break it apart, and then wait scooping it up

[nova talon]

theres 2 rocks here. 2% quant. so not much. not worth it imo

[jovial matrix]

Yeah skip that

[nova talon]

ok

what percentage should i go for

like 20% higher?

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

[nova talon]

so like here. 2% and a 22%

still seems not worht

worth

[ivory gust]

22% can be worth it depending on mass

rule of thumb is that at 5k mass, 1% = 1 SCU

So a 5k mass rock, 22% is 22 SCU, that's worth it

[nova talon]

ok

that makes sense

[jovial matrix]

Oh really? That’s good to know

[nova talon]

anyone got a good music playlist they listen to when mining/ general star citizening?

[jovial matrix]

I just use my normal Spotify playlist

[nova talon]

haha fair enough

i aint too good at math so my bad if this is a dumb question, but does it work to add 2 rocks mass (5k+5k) and then add the percentage (5% and 20%) and then its 25% of 10k

[teal ridge]

Is there a star base near aberdeen with a medical clinic to set death respawn

[jovial matrix]

Everus harbor

Orbiting hurston

[teal ridge]

Perfect that’s my main base

Aberdeen would be best spot for hadanite? With pembrook suit ?

[jovial matrix]

Yup

[ivory gust]

I prefer Arial. Better visibility and no pembroke needed

[teal ridge]

I tired the nomad but the slightest bit of hard landing 🛬 it blew up even with 3 fr 66 shields 🛡️ might just stick with the good old trusty cutty that thing can fly after hitting the ground hard lol

I’ve never really upgraded the cutty for roc mining but I do like to have a ship upgraded as best it can I guess, I assume the cutty can do VHRT or group VHRT?

[ivory gust]

Cutlass will be difficult for VHRT solo unless you're very skilled

[jovial matrix]

And it’s gonna suck ass in atmo

[teal ridge]

I’ll just use the andromeda 😊 the andromeda and cutty are pledge ships, I always like having ships that will be useful after wipes

I’ve killed HH in the andromeda them connies are great

[jovial matrix]

Indeed they are

[teal ridge]

What locations can the Pembroke suits be got ?

[jovial matrix]

Near hurston, I know HUR-L1 sells it

[ivory gust]

!itemfinder

[teal ridge]

Not bad hate landing at lov thanks for the help guys

[wary tusk]

Universal Item Finder

Use the website to search for any item (and where to buy them) in-game.

[teal ridge]

That looks useful

[jovial matrix]

It is very useful

I use it often

[teal ridge]

She’s looking 👀 sexy

[jovial matrix]

Mmm connie

Nice paint too

[teal ridge]

Haven’t used it in days so I’m taking her out for a spin 😊

[jovial matrix]

Taurus is on my list of ships to try, what are your thoughts on the andromeda?

[ivory gust]

if you're solo or only have one other person, get taurus

[teal ridge]

I am solo yes and never have anyone, are they the same size ? Same shields and hull ? Pilot guns?

[jovial matrix]

Kind of, yes, and yes

I think taurus might be longer

[ivory gust]

About the same size, but Taurus trades the snub fighter for more cargo space, and the bottom turret for a tractor beam

[jovial matrix]

Also has less missiles

[nova talon]

eh, not bad. somthing like 1.5 2 hours for a half load of quant + some quartz and beryl

[ivory gust]

Pilot guns are the same. Only advantage Andromeda offers for a solo player is missiles

[teal ridge]

I usually only do bounties or roc mine so I’m not to worried about cargo, I know I can carry the roc and urla rover what can I do with a tractor beam ?

[ivory gust]

currently, sit in it and spin it around

in future, it will help for loading cargo, maybe

[nova talon]

i think once in a blue moon, if u crash a ship with a box in it, the box will float around in space

[teal ridge]

I know I don’t play with people but I don’t ask people to play so the andromeda could come in handy if I end up asking people do they want to do missions or mess around

[drifting oxide]

Anyone has a good loadout for the mole? can't break quant with stock things

👀

[ivory gust]

Taurus still has the top turret so it's useful if you have one other person

[ivory gust]

Lancet MH2

[drifting oxide]

viable when I am solo?

[ivory gust]

Yes, just like a prospector. Put surge and stampede modules on it and you can break anything

[drifting oxide]

ty sir!

[drifting oxide]

Oh one question: are they consumables?

Or do I keep them on my ship?

[ivory gust]

yes

[drifting oxide]

1 time use?

[ivory gust]

5

they're modules that go on the laser

[drifting oxide]

Ahh ok 🙂 any estimate of how many I should take on a trip? 😄

[ivory gust]

you only have 3 slots. Two surge modules and one stampede

[drifting oxide]

ty good sir 😛

[ivory gust]

Only need them for the initial break

look up up a video on how to use them

also, if you're mining in the belt, you don't need modules at all

[drifting oxide]

but its a pain to get there no? 😄

[ivory gust]

eh? once you've done it a few times you don't even need to look up the instructions anymore

But it's also not as good for MOLE mining since the MOLE can't scan effectively in the belt

[nova talon]

are there missions where i can do big cargo? or is it just run back and forth with some small boxes

[ivory gust]

No. "big cargo" is just you buying lots of stuff one place and then selling it somewhere else for a profit

[nova talon]

does that turn much profit?

[ivory gust]

Only if you have a C2 or Caterpillar

[nova talon]

ok

[teal ridge]

I don’t see a pembrook suit at hur l1 I see the Morozov suit unless I’m meant to go down to ghetto refinery

[nova talon]

im just finding mining to not be as fast as it was advertised haha

[teal ridge]

Bounties are but bounties get boring lol

[nova talon]

yea. used to do thoes. they bugged a lot too

[teal ridge]

Yep that’s why it’s good to have a second way of making cash

The pembrook suit at hur l1 is missing the Helmet?

[jovial matrix]

Yeah it’s in the refinery

[teal ridge]

I’m in the refinery, just don’t see the hemlet

[jovial matrix]

Should be in the same place as the undersuit

Oh, use the terminal

Should be opposite side of those mannequins

[teal ridge]

Tanks man

[teal ridge]

Turns out trying to mine on Aberdeen in a pem suit is not for me that suit is horrible, I’ll stick to cutty on Arial, I did get to kill a cutty and hurrican in the Connie

Probably not but it was fun

[iron breach]

Pem is broken

[ivory gust]

broken how?

[desert storm]

i have a question, Im trying to install a cargo bay on a Retaliator and cant figure out where or how

anyone have any info?

[ivory gust]

Not possible, doesn't exist yet

[storm acorn]

is it a good idea to get a Taurus or is it better to save up for a c2 or cat

[spring prism]

The base version isn't in game yet, so not possible: https://starcitizen.tools/Retaliator_Base

[spring prism]

It's up to you really. If you plan to do cargo hauling, it's recommended you do other content first, to save up for a Caterpillar or a C2. Right now, even the cutlass black can't make enough to out-do the 8,000 aUEC Box Delivery Missions. Unless you're doing ROC Mining with it.

[storm acorn]

i dont know how to do roc mining

does it make good money?

[spring prism]

You can rent a ROC for one day and try it. I made 114k in an hour and a half searching hadanite. Don't rent a ROC for more than one day, the higher day rentals are bugged to cost more.

I'd recommend getting a pembroke suit and helmet though, since you'll be going out to the moons around Hurston.

[storm acorn]

hmm

ill look into it

[spring prism]

It's recommended you go to Arial if you can't handle the fogginess of Aberdeen.

[storm acorn]

i want to do hauling but rn only have a cutty and a mustang

[spring prism]

Your mustang's cargo holders can open up by the way, in case you were wondering about doing box deliveries.

[storm acorn]

i learned you can even fit people in there

its hillarious

who knew the mustang was secretly a dropship lmao

[spring prism]

box deliveries are by far the easiest unless you're good at getting the ROC in and out of the cutlass.

I'm not good at it, but I'm not terrible at it

[storm acorn]

but until i can get a cat or c2 bounties and bunkers are technically still best for auec

right?

[spring prism]

Yes, if you're fine with combat, unlike me.

[storm acorn]

i dont find ground combat very fun but i cant really argue with the pay

[spring prism]

You'll be wanting to sell all the weapons you find if you don't need them, which will get you a hefty amount of money. Some of the "Shady" outposts, like Paradise Cove will also have loot boxes of weapons, though basic weapons.

The "Unlawful" removal/disposal missions to those places give you 6000 aUEC for grabbing a single box and flying out of the atmosphere above basically, easiest thing. If you have a 100 series, it's probably the fastest way to get small amounts of money very fast. Expect to run away though if you find someone shooting at you. (Which will usually be another player or a player's NPC Bounties.)

[midnight nymph]

C2

[tiny lake]

Can you truhold delivery boxes?

[hollow sedge]

@blissful lotus ask here when u got quantion 😉

[blissful lotus]

oh I got a cutty b to haul

but tyvm

[hollow sedge]

should be enough

kind of forgot how it was but i think 1000 scu of quantinum was 1 million

no

100 scu is 1million

idk i forgot

yea 100 scu is 1million

refined quantinum

[blissful lotus]

is lyria a good place to mine quant?

[hollow sedge]

my go to

so yea

[blissful lotus]

nice

[glacial dagger]

raw/refined quant is 44/88 aUEC per unit, so 4,400/8,800 aUEC per SCU, so 100 SCU of raw/refined quant would be worth 440,000/880,000, so not quite a mill

[hollow sedge]

i find it easier to find rocks also its nicer to look at then just floating rocks in dark space

[hollow sedge]

did the price change?

[glacial dagger]

you would need just over 113.6 SCU of refined quant for 1,000,000

nope

44 for raw, 88 for refined

[hollow sedge]

i didnt mine since like 3.16 or 3.15

[glacial dagger]

Same as always

[hollow sedge]

oh okay so i just forgot lol

[glacial dagger]

Yup 😄

[hollow sedge]

thanks tho for the reminder 😄

[glacial dagger]

Nw 😄

[blissful lotus]

where in loreville do you get the surge modules from?

[hollow sedge]

on hurston

but i recommend going to port olisar

[blissful lotus]

aigt

[hollow sedge]

wait where is your main station from where u mine?

[blissful lotus]

im just going there to get the surges

i mine in arccorp

[hollow sedge]

yea better go to port olisar

its very small so just land and buy the surges and go

like i said i recommend buying alot of them since they ran out pretty quickly

around 20 or something

maybe 20 abit overkill

[blissful lotus]

imma buy 20

I got plenty of money

[hollow sedge]

👍

its good to master this technic cause u dont need the hasle of mining with someone on a mole but just go out solo and plus all profit is urs

[blissful lotus]

so which menu shows me the modules?

not to equip them just to check which number is on which one and how many are left

[hollow sedge]

should be gadgets or something like that

modules maybe

ah u mean that

ship gadgets or something

[blissful lotus]

aigt

[hollow sedge]

its under your mining thingy

mining arm

[blissful lotus]

oh I know how to equip them

[hollow sedge]

but get the lancet mh1 tho

trust me its worth it

[blissful lotus]

I got the lancet

[hollow sedge]

kk

[blissful lotus]

I mean like is there any sort of hud element or ship menu that shows me the modules I got and how much are left?

[hollow sedge]

idk anymore

[blissful lotus]

ill figure it out

[hollow sedge]

i dont think so

but its alt + 1,2,3

yes

there is

i just forgot cause i didnt mine for long time

[blissful lotus]

I had a question related to quests too

[hollow sedge]

when u active your arm it shows up on ur left

[blissful lotus]

so those personal quests you get, are they like storyline quests or something?

also tyvm

[hollow sedge]

no there aint no story yet

[blissful lotus]

I do a lot of the general quests like bunkers, whats the difference between the general missions and the personal ones/

[hollow sedge]

personal is like 3rd party

like non official

so most of them are illegal missions

[blissful lotus]

alright thats about all I had to ask

tyvm for the help man

[hollow sedge]

np 😉

[blissful lotus]

ill post you on my first quant load

[hollow sedge]

kk nice

wish good luck

tho 1 tip to be ready to get the hell out off there cause if it overheats the rock explosion will kill you

(the rock overheats)

u can get to red really quickly with surges, u just gotta sort of feel it

[sonic laurel]

I think someone said running two lancets at low power on a rock and then actually controlling a helix made everything trivial

but that needs a mole

[glacial dagger]

Or a couple of friends 😄

[sonic laurel]

imagine having friends

Though I'm 99% sure I've mined on your mole

[glacial dagger]

Who needs friends when I have ships 😄

And I think you might have, yh 😄

[sonic laurel]

we found a fat rock on a super steep mountainside and when we cracked it everything rolled downhill lol

[glacial dagger]

yes

I remember that

pain

[sonic laurel]

I wonder if CIG will let our outposts grow the stuff for widow

[glacial dagger]

Perhaps? Depends on if we get groweries for stuff. Make our own medical supplies 😄

[worthy scroll]

Probably. The Endeavor exists.

Sort of.

[pliant matrix]

any release window for Spirit series? i know it's only concept but sometimes it can be quite fast

cutty and FL really need a new competitor

[sonic laurel]

they also need a rework

[pliant matrix]

FL maybe. cutty is pretty nice as it is

[sonic laurel]

neither are gold standard

[pliant matrix]

cutlass series are fine and any change to it will be probably minor. It doesn't need a rework imo

they're supposed to be cheap "made from scrap" ships for pirates so making it fancier wouldn't be lore friendly

[glacial dagger]

Vector thrust animations would be nic, like in the original trailer for the cutty 😄

[sonic laurel]

updating the hud. Sealing the gap into space around the ramp door, adjusting thrust profiles, making sure textures and everything are on the latest standard. That sort of thing. I said rework but that's because I'm usually complaining about the Andromeda

connies really need a rework

just awful interiors

[pliant matrix]

yeah some polishing eventually

Connies are not that bad. Just pretty old fashioned interiors yeah

[sonic laurel]

they need a smaller cockpit for sure

it's like an apartment up there

[pliant matrix]

it's just like all movies spaceships lot of space and big front window

[sonic laurel]

I actually adore the window

being able to look every direction

[pliant matrix]

that bridge would be centered and ontop of the ship it would look very cool imo

[sonic laurel]

I could see that

[pliant matrix]

instead of that big nose

[sonic laurel]

Bengal looks like Tau'ri ships from SG

[pliant matrix]

some people hoped Taurus would come with a rework but it didn't

[sonic laurel]

lots of early ships were just bad compared to the designs coming out now

[spring prism]

Wala's apparently been showing more quant as of late according to at least one other person. They've been smaller mass rocks ( < 7000 )

[zenith maple]

I am sure we will see a lot of reworks when things starts to flatten out with ship releases

[pliant matrix]

that implies when cig will have enough money 🤣 gl with that

[zenith maple]

enough money as not making ships to make more money?

[sonic laurel]

Don't you worry. The next 500 million will come from the D6 hero system Star Citizen Tabletop game and the mobile game where all the ships are anime girls.

[pliant matrix]

yeah? I mean they've lot of unfinished concepts but still releasing new ships so ships release flattening out? not for this decade bro

ngl I like when they release concepts like Spirits but it's just to make money on ships you'll see in 2-3 years eventually

[sonic laurel]

Right? But where is the crusader version of the Pisces using the Spirit/MSR design language?

[pliant matrix]

I'll deffo buy a C1 tbh

Cutty is useful but ugly af so C1 is my boy

[sonic laurel]

I dunno. 6 S3 is just so much firepower for that size platform

still has big cargo too

dirt cheap

Cutty has a lot to love

just no space toilet

[jovial matrix]

Side doors = toilet if you try hard enough

[sonic laurel]

funnel and a tube

Pee out of your ship into quantum to see how far the distance between each droplet ends up being.

[zenith maple]

thats some james bond shit if you have pirates hunting you

[sonic laurel]

I wonder if I can get a hotdog vendor into my cutty black. Force him to make soba-dogs all day

[pliant matrix]

I wont refuse a better look agility and firepower tbh. Also it'll most probably be nerfed some weeks/months after release

[sonic laurel]

does the C1 have more firepower?

[pliant matrix]

just checked it doesn't. idk why I tho cutlass has 4xS2

C1 is supposed to be more agile tho

[spring prism]

It will be, yes. Was confirmed at the Q/A

Still going to need the Cutlass if you want a ROC though. But we'll have to wait and see when it comes to have someone test it for real.

[pliant matrix]

ROC will fit in C

[spring prism]

The only problem is, the ROC might be too long for the initial landing inside the C1 past the ramp

It might go the full length of that landing up to the door, which would block your way out

[pliant matrix]

they said any vehicle the size of an URSA or smaller and roc is smaller

[jovial matrix]

Pretty sure they said cyclone or smaller

[spring prism]

URSA? Lol No.

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

No shot an ursa fits in that thing lmao

[spring prism]

I think they're mainly only measuring the door width to the module room on that one.

I'm specifically talking about the "Landing" area before you get to the module room after the ramp

[pliant matrix]

still roc is also smaller

roc is 3.9x6x3.5 cyclone is 8.5x6x3.5
According to Erkul

[spring prism]

The ROC is definitely taller:

[sonic laurel]

a good bit too

C1 ain't fittin' a ROC from what they've said

[spring prism]

I don't know how to get rid of this dumb black floor in starship42, but the cyclone's width is only a handful of inches bigger thanks to its wheel.s

[pliant matrix]

where did they said it? I've been searching to have an "official" confirm but couldn't find

[spring prism]

The ROC is about half an inch shorter than the cyclone:

[sonic laurel]

they gave us dimensions and said it fits a cyclone

Rocs are a a solid chunk higher

that's why they can't fit in 400i's

[spring prism]

Geebus, the ROC is about a foot taller:

[pliant matrix]

it wouldn't surprise me if they make it possible because they know many players using cuttlass are doing it for roc carrying

[spring prism]

But yeah, I'm more worried about height at this point now.

The Spirit's internals showed a pretty low ceiling.

[sonic laurel]

light bar a bit more

[spring prism]

I mean, if you really wanted to, you could just half the ROC halfway down the ramp and just go around on the same-planet.

Won't be QT'ing with it in though.

[drifting oxide]

Guys is there a keybind to just dump my load in the mole?

Or do I have to destroy and reclaim?

[spring prism]

iirc, you can only eject your ores if it goes critical

Otherwise the key does nothing

[ivory gust]

The MOLE lasers shut off when you leave the turret

[ivory gust]

Width difference is what makes it possible to put a ROC in a Retaliator but not a Cyclone

Which reminds me, I need to stick an STV in there

[spring prism]

We'll just have to wait and see. Might be a long wait though. Like I said, I'm more worried about the height.

[jovial matrix]

There’s a cargo area on the retaliator?

[meager gorge]

Don’t worry they’ll chonkify the C1 so it’ll fit the roc

[ivory gust]

Who said anything about a cargo area?

The torp bay has doors.

[sonic laurel]

tali is modular...eventually

[vestal ravine]

Just bought the Tali will give that a try for sure!!

[worthy scroll]

Eventually. One of the expected modules is cargo.

[tiny lake]

My cutty Black's inventory crapped out.

Storing it and retrieving it didn't help

When i open it, it just spins

The front storage worked though

[spring prism]

So it infinite loads the inventory? If so, I'd recommend contributing to these three Issue Council reports: #bug-hunt-chat message

[tiny lake]

Okay. Was gonna see if it worked after relog

[worthy scroll]

Relog or change region would be the first things I try. Try to force getting on a new server.

[jovial matrix]

I see

[short osprey]

Newish player here

Have a hercules and a gladius

[worthy scroll]

Hi newish player.

[short osprey]

Are trade routes my best bet for continued money making?

[worthy scroll]

Which Herc?

[short osprey]

I dont like the fact i make no rep progress compared to bounty hunting or bunkering etc

M2 version

I am relatively slow at everything , ie bunkers take me a good 30, trade routes listed at 10mins take me double that etc

[worthy scroll]

Well, there is no cargo rep right now, so cargo is pure money making.

[short osprey]

Right thats what i mean. Should i really be putting all my time in that bucket? I have solid fleet for how long ive played so kinda thinking i should focus on some reps

[worthy scroll]

The M2 has similar-ish capacity to the Caterpillar, so you'll make about the same with it, just faster (Cat is very slow).

Eh, it's all getting wiped soonish anyway, so play to play. Progress isn't really a thing in the alpha.

[short osprey]

True dat

[spring prism]

Reputation goes down over time as well. Rank progress also goes down over time, not as fast as reputation.

Once your rank progress goes down far enough, you will be offered a second version of the initial unlock mission that has different text stating "it's been a while" or the like.

[short osprey]

Oh ive seen those

Interesting

I didnt realize reps even existed until like a week in

[spring prism]

yes, reputation is the orange/green horizontal bar in delphi, while rank is the vertical sets of bars

Abandoning too many missions will cause your reputation to go into the orange/negative, and your rank progress may be set to negative as well. While in negative rank, your rank progress will slowly go up over time until it his 0. You can't re-apply for mission unlock until it fully hits 0.

[ivory gust]

Note that logging off (or even crashing out of game) while having a mission counts as failing it

[short osprey]

Omg ive been abandoning a lot of missions

Maybe i should not do that woopsn

[ivory gust]

Having a pvp bounty target log off also counts as failing the mission

[zenith maple]

so I take it there is mining heads to help with the instability? Was trying to mine some dolvine with stock prospector, and it just goes boom pretty much instant

[ivory gust]

Dolovine is for ROCs, not Prospectors. Prospector has way too much power

[zenith maple]

well that explains that I guess 😄

like, at 1% it went instant to red

so does that mean I cant do most surface mining? or that I just have to find something else on the surface?

[ivory gust]

You need to look for the larger ore deposits, not the small gem deposits

[zenith maple]

okay, thanks. my second time trying out a bit of a mining loop. guess I should have gone to some asteroid instead maybe

[zenith maple]

finally got it filled up, going out of atmo to QD to refinery, 30k

its been one of those days today

[ivory gust]

30k protection should kick in--get to the refinery with another ship and you may just be able to "retrieve" the mining ship, then store it immediately and head to refinery deck

[zenith maple]

oh, interesting, I will try that then. thanks

that worked, thank you again

[spring prism]

Lancet is what you use with instability (required if you aren't confident with Quantanium), but the prospector and mole are meant for actual metal deposits.

[zenith maple]

yeah, I just figured if I went to the surface of the moon, I wouldnt run into anyone else. and could try and learn things on my own. And I guess I did learn

but it does make me want to load up a ROC in something and zip around

[spring prism]

Cutlass Black

Might be a tight fit if you aren't used to backing up the ROC

Just know that you don't have to hold Z when in third-person to look around on the ROC. (The ROC doesn't fly after all.)

[zenith maple]

does the ROC fit in the lancer?

[spring prism]

it should, but the freelancer is more expensive.

[ivory gust]

Barely. Comfortable fit in the freelancer max though

[spring prism]

Yeah, the MAX is what you'd want ideally for that

[zenith maple]

I have a stock lancer already

[ivory gust]

Obvious answer is to use a Carrack with a Prospector parked on top and a ROC in the vehicle bay so you can mine whatever you find

[zenith maple]

since it was my original pledge

haha

[spring prism]

Plus you can respawn if the server decides to say "Oops, you died."

I'm not a big fan of the cockpit in the Freelancers, which is why I would go for the cutlass instead.

[zenith maple]

so, I imagine you make more money spaceship mining? or will the gems I found give a lot of money too? if you go the ROC way?

think pretty much all the mining guides I saw was for the 2 spaceships

[spring prism]

Quantanium (Refined) is the highest profit minable, but the raw ore is unstable, so you have a limited time to get it back to a refinery

[zenith maple]

15 min from gathering it right? not from breaking the rock apart?

[spring prism]

Yep, gathering.

That's why it's ideal to search for either high mass / large clusters with 25-30% or more quant

[zenith maple]

goodie, thats not too bad. trick is finding a rock with enough to make it one rock trip

I figure

[jovial matrix]

You make about 200k from an ROC full of hadanite, and a full prospector worth of quant is worth about 275k refined

[spring prism]

If you don't like consumable modules on mining lasers, you'll have to go to the halo. But there's a very high chance for ghost rocks, which can show up on scans, but won't be mineable.

[zenith maple]

I think roc mining might be more my thing then, I like zipping along the planets and moons

[spring prism]

Yeah, ROC Mining Hadanite is ideal if you can handle getting the ROC in and out of a ship, and don't want to worry about Quant/etc.

Just remember to have a Pembroke armor set for Arial/Aberdeen, gets really hot.

[zenith maple]

does it go all vibrate and explode still? I remember the lift of my old aquila was, well, interesting

[spring prism]

High winds can sometimes cause ships to tilt. I've had a good time with the cutlass so far though.

[zenith maple]

yeah, I was on a microtech moon now, and was getting blown all over the place

[spring prism]

Arial and Aberdeen usually don't have winds that push, it's more about the terrain.

If you find a hadanite cluster on the side of a ridge or hill, just know all of that hadanite will roll down the hill, regardless if you keep it in the green.

[zenith maple]

will I be able to gather them at the bottom? or a case of tags no longer showing?

[jovial matrix]

I’ve never had my ROC explode randomely

[jovial matrix]

Yeah the gems have markers

[spring prism]

You can go down there to gather them at the bottom, but if they smash into any rocks, there's a chance the hadanite might clip through the rocks

[jovial matrix]

True

[zenith maple]

ah, okay

and it mostly exploding my car when it was trying to phase through the lift Fjord. one of the reasons I melted my aquila

[jovial matrix]

Damn

[spring prism]

You likely won't mine enough hadanite before a 30k to fill a cutlass black, believe me.

But ify ou can transfer all of it into your cutlass black, it will have protection. The ROC doesn't have protection.

[jovial matrix]

I disagree, only had one ROC run end prematurely to a 30K, it’s good to be cautious though

If the server seems to be dying then finish up and go sell, otherwise I’d just keep going till I get full or the server dies

[spring prism]

I always put all the hadanite into the ship right after finishing a cluster. I am way too anxious

[zenith maple]

oh, so you can transfer from the ROC to the ship. interesting. So if I use my future MSR to haul the ROC around, I can mine a lot to fill it up?

[jovial matrix]

Yes you can

[zenith maple]

this changes everything

[spring prism]

Yes, while the ROC is in the ship, go to the back of the ROC and open the inventory of the ROC

Hadanite is all stowage items.

[jovial matrix]

It’s just like hand mining, but with a bigger laser and you get more hadanite per node

[spring prism]

Each page of stowage is 100 items. (You will get pages with gem mining, trust me.)

[zenith maple]

this made me go from "I keep mining as a option for when I am bored" to, fuck yeah, I want to do this

thanks for educating a noob

[spring prism]

It's also a good idea to take note of the instability of the gem rocks, they'll allude to what kind of gem it is when you scan it with your ship (not the ROC.)

You can sell the gems at any of the mining outposts on Arial/aberdeen.

[jovial matrix]

Yes good, join us miners

[jovial matrix]

Any mining outpost in general

[spring prism]

If you own a ROC, rather than rent one, you can keep the ROC in your ship, then store the ship as a whole.

And whatever you do, don't rent a vehicle for more than one day. Higher rentals are bugged to cost more. It'll be easy to get enough from Hadanite mining to buy your own ROC though

[jovial matrix]

Yeah one full ROC is enough to buy an ROC

[zenith maple]

where would you buy one ingame?

[jovial matrix]

Lorville pretty sure

And you can rent one at any -L1 station

[zenith maple]

cool, most likely just going to buy one for real money to have, its pretty cheap

[jovial matrix]

Yikes

Don’t buy ground vehicles, it’s not worth it at all

Unless of course you plan to use it to upgrade to a better ship

[zenith maple]

yeah, I have 3 STVs for future upgrades

[spring prism]

I have three STVs, but they're going to be used for other ships as well (Note the LTIs): #4-8-0-live message (Spirit C1 is already LTI on its own. Vulture is already LTI from STV.)

This will also be the channel for salvaging when it comes out for 3.18, probably.

[zenith maple]

yeah, salvaging is another loop I am very curious about

[spring prism]

it'll be easier than mining, for sure. Just have to find the wrecks. We don't know how much RMC will pay though.

[zenith maple]

I like the chill loops, so done a lot of UPS

and exploring to map wrecks and whatnot is hopefully a thing in the future

[spring prism]

I have a feeling RMC will pay less, because it'll be slightly less effort.

[zenith maple]

I would imagine so, if they dont separate it on type of wreck/material

[spring prism]

They'll be generated in the same way asteroids will be out in the halo. All you have to do it go out there.

[zenith maple]

so no salvaging on planet wrecks?

[spring prism]

Those will probably be protected due to being tied to non-salvage missions/etc.

But they might have new ones generate, specifically for salvage.

[zenith maple]

right, I have picked up some packages in them

[spring prism]

If I get my C2 at IAE this year, I might use it to do ROC Mining By the way, you cannot transfer ore inventory from a Prospector/Mole to a ship, since it counts as cargo, and is in special containers.

[zenith maple]

yeah, I read that, so I thought it was the same for the ROC

[spring prism]

The only place to sell raw ore is at HDMS-Hadley, since all the refinery ore sell stations are broken.

[zenith maple]

also, dont the C2 has a stupid amount of SCU?

[spring prism]

Has the most SCU in the game currently.

[stark torrent]

Crusader Industries (CRUS)

C2 Hercules Starlifter

The C2 Hercules Starlifter is a civilian heavy transport manufactured by Crusader Industries. Utilizing the patented Hercules military-grade spaceframe and expanding cargo capacity, while sacrificing barely any firepower, the C2 has taken the private sector by storm. It has become the industry standard for racing teams, ship dealers and manufacturers, construction orgs, mining corporations, and even large-scale touring entertainment outfits.

Role

Transport

Crew

1 – 2

Cargo

696.00 SCU

Length

94.00m

Height

23.00m

Beam

70.00m

Mass

3,139,240 Kg

Combat Speed

135 m/s

Max Speed

963 m/s

In-Game Price

4,925,500 aUEC

Pledge Price

US$400.00

Status

Flight Ready

Links

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[spring prism]

It also flies like a fighter, because Crusader

[zenith maple]

and a full ROC is what?

[spring prism]

0.8 SCU

[jovial matrix]

ah thats what you meant

[zenith maple]

yeah, thats a lot of trips 😄

[spring prism]

I'm more using it for the C2's stability and ease to get in/out

[jovial matrix]

I wouldnt do it in a C2, do it in a cutty black/nomad/freelancer/connie/MSR or something smaller like that

[spring prism]

Also cough Two size 5 guns, and it can have like 230k HP in shields

But it's better to use a cutlass. The C2 is huge, it can be seen from the render distance (of ships) in most cases.

[zenith maple]

right, thats something to consider I guess. people pirating or stealing the "base" ship when ROC mining

[spring prism]

The C2 is almost gold-pass, so it can be locked

[jovial matrix]

people will probably kill you and blow up the ROC and your ship if they want what youre mining

[spring prism]

Pretty much that, yeah. They wouldn't bother blowing the C2 up, way too much effort

[jovial matrix]

yeah, too much work, unless you've got a buncha hadanite in it

[zenith maple]

and they can see that by scanning it right?

[spring prism]

Yes

[jovial matrix]

yup

[zenith maple]

I know the MSR has a shielded storage thingy, but guessing not for this type of goods?

[spring prism]

For the MSR, you have to place it in specific spots iirc. I don't think you'll be able to box up hadanite for that even when the cargo refactor comes out.

[jovial matrix]

yeah only some of it is shielded, and idk if that works for stuff in the ship inventory

cause its for physical cargo boxes on the cargo grid

[spring prism]

I mean, you could manually just drop the hadanite into the shielded rooms

But that's going to cause FPS drops

[jovial matrix]

yeah thats not worth doing at all

[zenith maple]

oh, and one last question, since I noticed it earlier without asking. Do you not refine what you mine with the ROC? is it direct sale only?

[jovial matrix]

nah you dont refine it

just go to a station/city/mining outpost and sell

[zenith maple]

okay, I like that, less waiting, even if the payout is smaller

thanks

[jovial matrix]

yup

[ashen glade]

how does mining with an roc work, does it get stored in the roc or your ship??

[spring prism]

ROC, then you take your ROC inside the ship, and interact with the box on the back to transfer the items from the ROC to the ship

[ashen glade]

ah

[spring prism]

If you're not comfortable with getting it into the cutlass black, you can opt for the more expensive freelancer MAX, if you're okay with the limited cockpit view.

[ashen glade]

I have a nomad lol

[jovial matrix]

thatll work

[ashen glade]

I use the vg sentinel usually for making money because I do bounties

just thinking about trying mining, but it's hassle and it takes awhile

and I'll have to buy or rent an roc and get it onto my ship which is more hassle

but yeah I only have the nomad as my cargo/utility daily ship because I only have 2 ships

[spring prism]

You can put the ROC into the nomad too

The cargo lift on the back counts as part of the ship, which is why when you put box deliveries on the lift's floor, they don't fly out when you go upsidown. You can even stack the boxes, and they won't fall off.

[ashen glade]

yeah

its gravitised i think I heard somebody say

[delicate girder]

I have two accounts and two PCs and am debating if I should buy a Prospector or a Mole given I could use two accounts even when on my own.

[cobalt rivet]

You buy a mole you better make that 5 mil back quick before you start earning

If mining is life for you then yea, get mole

[delicate girder]

Why you say that?

[cobalt rivet]

Mole is only profitable if you can find quant in large amounts in one cluster

[worthy scroll]

It's profitable as long as you're mining more than you're spending in fuel. How profitable it is, is up to how you use it.

[ivory gust]

Nah, you just need to have more than 32scu of chunks with Quant. Happens all the time

[cobalt rivet]

You spend 5 mil only to net over prospector in only small percentage, your gains dont equate to the price difference. And youll be mining for awhile before you break even

[worthy scroll]

If you already have a loop that has earned you enough to buy a Mole, you likely aren't really mining for profit, but just to mine.

[cobalt rivet]

If you do mole mining, find a good scout

[cobalt rivet]

Hence why i said if mining is life, then get a mole

Its labor of love not efficiency

But it sounds like you had your mind made up

[delicate girder]

By what you're saying it sounds like CIG may be nerfed quant percentages in the last couple major game versions?

[worthy scroll]

The downside to your plan, if it's quant you're after, is you'll have to mine on... Lyria? Because of the quant clusters that spawn there. Here's the rub. You'll be soloing two characters on a moon. That has weather. You need more arms.

[cobalt rivet]

Only thing im aware of is Halo mining got fked

Last patch i was able to mine tons from halo

[delicate girder]

I haven't been able to mine effectively in the halo for ages because many of the rocks you find are duds.

[worthy scroll]

Moon mining is far more fun IMO, because of how interactive it is. But good luck doing that on two accounts at once. 😆

[cobalt rivet]

If you do mole mining, mine lyria and get a scout that finds you chunky rocks or good cluster

But i suggest prospector

[delicate girder]

Yeah, I'll just say fk it for a while and go back to bounty hunting.

[worthy scroll]

A good use for that second account.

Acct. 1: Park the Mole.
Acct.2: Find good rock. Sit there.
Acct. 1: Fly Mole to good rock. Pick up Acct. 2.
Start mining.
Rinse and repeat.

[delicate girder]

CIG needs to fix mining before I come back.

[cobalt rivet]

Bounty and threat beacons are a viable and fun combo

[delicate girder]

I'm kick ass on ERTs. I'll stick with that.

[cobalt rivet]

Do combat beacons

The pay is good

[worthy scroll]

Mining does make good money, but I really only do it for a change of pace and to relax.

[jovial matrix]

Can confirm

They’re fast too

[cobalt rivet]

Where is money frog emoji

[delicate girder]

Combat beacons VS an ERT for 106k every 25 minutes consistently with VHRTs inbetween?

Would be quicker of the ERTs spawned faster.

[cobalt rivet]

Dont get caught up in grinding tho

Theres nothing to do once you get the ship you want and youll just burn yourself out at that point

[delicate girder]

I'm not grinding. Just saying that's what I make when I do it. Haven't made any money in the game in many weeks.

[cobalt rivet]

Then you turn into one of those people that harass other players out of boredom

[worthy scroll]

Same. Mostly what I've done this patch is run some cargo, boxes, investigation and search missions. Then I bought a Tali. Found out I hate the missile bug, so I'm back to running boxes.

[cobalt rivet]

Then i get to see them cry about it in chat and i laugh

[vale oracle]

whats the best cargo route for andromeda ship without having to go to a city ? i ask this because my pc shits itself when i enter a train and its annoying

[cobalt rivet]

What are you running

Pc spec

[delicate girder]

Which missile bug? The one where they jam or the one where they don't reload?

[worthy scroll]

Missile mode doesn't turn on anymore.

[vale oracle]

ryzen 5 3600, 16gb and a rtx 3060

its probably my ram

[cobalt rivet]

Really?

[vale oracle]

yeah

[cobalt rivet]

Your pc is like a million times better thsn mine

I dont lag that bad

[vale oracle]

every time i enter a train my game just starts having a stroke

[cobalt rivet]

Unless its orison

[vale oracle]

i dont lag at all outside a city

[worthy scroll]

Use this to plan out where to go. You can exclude areas with it.

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[delicate girder]

Haven't had that happen in my Tali. That must have started in 3.17.3?

[worthy scroll]

Dunno, first time using the ship.

[vale oracle]

yea its my first time doing thiks and i dont really know whats best

[worthy scroll]

The site will show you what's best.

[vale oracle]

i wanna discover other game loops so that i dont always stick to bounties

[delicate girder]

I did a tons of ERTs in the Tali in 3.16 and up to 3.17.2 and never saw that bug.

[worthy scroll]

It popped up pretty quick. Out doing bounties and suddenly missile mode doesn't turn on anymore. Going back and doing the missile restock fix fixes it, until it decides to break again.

[vale oracle]

so i have this question, can i sell larinate on stations? or is it only on cities?

[delicate girder]

TDDs at cities.

[worthy scroll]

Cities are the primary places to sell. A lot of those outposts bug out (or at least they used to).

[zenith maple]

So, I am currently stuck in the garage with my ROC, I Tried to call the spaceport to open the door, but nothing happens

did I miss a panel I need to press to open it myself or something?

[vale oracle]

ight thx!

[worthy scroll]

There are more profitable things to do in an Andromeda though, it doesn't hold enough cargo to be very profitable. Good if you just want to do something different, but it'll make more doing combat stuff.

[delicate girder]

Well, thanks guys for talking me out of bying any miner at all. I may go try ROC mining for cheap just to scratch the itch.

[jovial matrix]

Open your mobiglass to call them, same place you would use to call ATC

[cobalt rivet]

Do it on a fresh server and clench your butt cheeks evertyime a button doesnt respond in a timely manner

Current igame contents are a little disappointing, the only redeemable trait about this game is ship fighting

Best damn scifi dogfighter game

[worthy scroll]

That's going to vary wildly person to person. I have little to no interest in combat. I very rarely do it just to mix things up a little. Then I'm over it in an hour or two.

[delicate girder]

Button doesn't respond in what mode?

[cobalt rivet]

When you press anything

Might be hint 30k going diwn

Then you lose all them gems in your roc

[delicate girder]

Ah, yeah. Like I said, I was just trying to scratch the mining itch, not make money.

CIG really does need to fix the mess they made of mining in the last few game versions.

It's pretty bad when the only way you can make good money in mining is through glitches like duplicating refiner jobs or selling boxes of gems more than once.

[jovial matrix]

did some ROC mining with a friend tonight (also that SS is terrible lol)

made about 120k each, was quite nice

[tiny lake]

How long it take ya?

Also how did you manage to not zip around like a crazy when driving the roc? That thing was too fast to me

[vestal ravine]

In a few weeks I will have my second PC operational for the Alt account I already have. Have big plans for the twin characters for mining and everything else. Hope you do okay also.

[full canopy]

I'm fairly new to SC, only really been playing properly for 3.17.2 and been making my money by mining Quantanium. I seem to be having really bad luck the last few days with finding a decent rock, I can spend 30-60 minutes finding nothing but duds.

Beginning to wonder if I'm super unlucky, or doing something wrong 😭

[hasty stump]

Elite deep core mining feels

[keen wind]

Where is a good place to try ROC Mining?

[full canopy]

It's been ever since I bought my MOLE, seems all my luck is only in the prospector 😭

[misty coyote]

I have done the same thing...

I forgot the key pre flight check

Have your ship in storage
Remove the mining Head
Retrieve Ship
Store Ship
Re-Equip Mining Head
Retrieve ship and head out.

Bring snacks

[north oyster]

Always bring drink and snacks

[north oyster]

Aberdeen is the best but you will need the Pembroke armor set (at any refinery store)

Arial is also good and Daymar would be 3rd

Those two do not require extreme heat suit

Also, when mining, once you park your ROC, move the gems from the ROC to the ship's inventory. Any burp in the game, you loose what you have gathered with the ROC. At least if game 30k's on you while in the ship, the gems will persist if in ship's inventory

[keen wind]

Thanks.

[north oyster]

Also, change out your ROC every two or three trips, just reclaim it. But take it out of the ship and park it to the side somewhere at the outpost

[keen wind]

I picked up one with the STV LTI to screw around with, hopefully I'll get some time with a buddy this weekend.

the ROC still needs to be loaded manually, and I think I read something about outposts being the best place for that?

[north oyster]

You will want a ship to move it around

Any outpost with a Platinum bay

[keen wind]

I've got a decent variety of ships.

[north oyster]

I use the Freelancer MAX almost exclusively for ROC escort. But any ship that carriers her is a good ship

[keen wind]

Picked up a Max. Part of that Lancer and STV pack, then applied the CCUs.

since folks seem to recommend the max so highly, and I didn't want to go all the way up to a Taurus.

[north oyster]

I have both the Taurus and the MAX, I sort of wish I'd not CCU'd my MAX to the Taurus. So I just buy MAX in-game now

[keen wind]

I have pretty bad luck with bugs. I complete less than 20% of the package delivery jobs I attempt, due to bug or my own incompetency.

[north oyster]

Both are good ships though

[keen wind]

can't melt and rebuy?

[north oyster]

I use the Taurus for Quantainium runs. I have an LTI chain on it, so I'll let her lie

[keen wind]

Melted a Titan to recover an LX the other day.

[north oyster]

One more Tip: When on a planet/moon doing ROC mining. QT to orbital marker OM-1 and dive down from there. It is always daylight under OM-1

[keen wind]

Nice, that'll help

[north oyster]

My ROC is an original LTI pledge. I've never considered it a token because she earns good coin after a wipe

[keen wind]

I can appreciate that.

I've been pretty bad at earning in game.

[north oyster]

I've built my fleet around industry for the most part. I hate it when my wallet is below a certain level of aUEC. So I have it where I can start earning out of the gate with Prospector, ROC (Vulture also) and also Trade (for the day when it returns)

[tiny lake]

Trade. I was a good trade system

I just wanna play escape velocity man

[keen wind]

Back in the day, I used to play a ton of Escape Velocity, so I'm wanting that style of gameplay, but I've yet to get there.

[tiny lake]

Chat with my friends and do cargo runs. Man the turrets when the pirates show up

[north oyster]

It'd going to be about a year+ ... the bones are being laid now but it's going to take a little while

[tiny lake]

Gimme a delivery mission that involves huge shipping containers

[north oyster]

I believe that is coming

[tiny lake]

And a pirate contraxct to come take it from me!

[north oyster]

Trade as owner of the cargo isn't going to work for the Hull C, D and E series of ships. So you can bet your bottom dollar it will be based on Reputation and alliance

[tiny lake]

How could would it be to see a mish pop up in personal that was like "this player has a package I need. Board their ship and take it from them, or blow it up and risk maybe losing the cargo too"

Or maybe recover the cargo from the wreckage

[tiny lake]

What do you mean owner of the cargo?

[keen wind]

The vulture should be interesting next year.

[tiny lake]

Yeah

[north oyster]

Today and prior all trade was done by the ship owner buying cargo and then selling. That only works on a small scale

[keen wind]

Doing delivery missions vs buying bulk commodities and selling them.

[tiny lake]

Oh yeah, that's why I'm thinking delivery missions with big shipping containers

[north oyster]

bingo

Reputation, missions and more

[tiny lake]

Or like hey the titan is a courier

Gimme something to coury

Small, super valuable, someones gonna be mad if I screw up

Then I gotta get bounty hunted by Jabba

[north oyster]

Years ago pizza deliveries use to earn you good coin, I miss the planet system to planet system stacking deliveries. Use to make up to 100K per trip

but I got sick of those high rises in NB

[tiny lake]

Lol pizza deliveries

That's pretty good

[north oyster]

3.18 is going to be a brutal soulcrushing mess, I'd be surprised if it show before January

[mossy pumice]

hey getting into SC big time now that its more stable and less glitchy for me and i want to get into mining and cargo hauling any video recommendations or tips?

[north oyster]

Red Monster SC, Hawkes and also SMB Ryan

[ivory gust]

Where are you mining? MOLE can't scan effectively in the belt solo, which could be why you're having trouble if you're mining in the belt

[north oyster]

@mossy pumice Trade only favors the largest of ships (C2, CAT, Carrack) to earn any decent return. For Mining, the rental is ONLY a trainer and won't earn much. Once you buy a mining ship (I would recommend the Prospector) will you be able to focus on skill set to increase earning. ROC mining is also great but very prone to loosing your gems if the game 30K's on you.

[meager gorge]

Player assassination missions would be cool.

[tiny lake]

Something to increase the need for pirates (and escorts)

Or putting hits out on players

Or like a BH who did one too many bounties on a particular gang

Theres a lot to do

[meager gorge]

Physical cargo will make pirates pretty rampant here when it comes.

[full canopy]

I've been mining of Lyria

[full canopy]

I'll give that a try! Thanks for the suggestion 😄

[tiny lake]

🤞

[ivory gust]

If piracy is too widespread people will stop hauling

[tiny lake]

OR They'll start hiring escorts

I hope

How do people make money with a caterpillar?

Trading?

[ivory gust]

Buy cargo at one place, sell cargo different place for a profit

[tiny lake]

So trading. Hm.

I had problems with a connie just getting all its cargo sold

Cant imagine the cat is much better

[ivory gust]

What cargo?

[tiny lake]

Usually medical supplies around microtech

[misty coyote]

They will have to make it highly worth while.

[tiny lake]

An active trading system would do that

[ivory gust]

With large cargo, best bet is laranite+titanium, there's enough demand to not worry about getting stuck with a full load

[tiny lake]

I guess I should say economy

Hm

How does one get a full load. Dont you guys find that most places are mostly tapped?

[ivory gust]

I don't think 3.18 will have the full dynamic economy that would be needed

[ivory gust]

Titanium is always available. So you buy all the laranite they have (high profit per unit, low availability), then fill the rest of your hold with titanium (low profit per unit, high availability)

[tiny lake]

Gotcha

[tiny lake]

Yeah I dont either

I dont even see anything on the roadmap that's remotely similar to economy stuff

[meager gorge]

I can only hope with physical Cargo it’ll up the price of the cargo you’re hauling by a ton. Where it’ll take way more work to haul some cargo and you’ll have to risk encountering pirates but the pay off will be wayyyyy more than it is now.

[ivory gust]

This being star Citizen, I kind of suspect they'll just make it take twice as long and not give any more money

[tiny lake]

Lol

[sonic laurel]

afaik money is supposed to be hard to earn in SC in the final game

[tiny lake]

Hard to earn is great, but too easy to lose and having to start over doesn't sound fun

I'd make comments about growing a player base but I'm not sure thats a concern

[midnight nymph]

As long as they still allow in game UEC e-transfers I’m still going to buy some credits off eBay from a reputable vendor to help accelerate my progress after a wipe

[cobalt rivet]

Thats only a thing because people can still exploit game flaws to get fast money somehow.

[midnight nymph]

True

[cobalt rivet]

Could be worst, could be like Rockstar and be plagued with cheats that drops money for you

And theyre somehow still charging money for shark cards

Wouldnt it be comical if bought auec is actually just devs duping people into funding the game

[ivory gust]

reputable vendor

violating TOS to RMT in-game funds

pick one

[midnight nymph]

Both

[ivory gust]

You literally can't have both. Reputable individuals don't violate TOS to RMT in-game funds, especially not for a game that wipes this often

[worthy scroll]

Throwing money down the toilet is all that is.

[pliant matrix]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/393/561/11c.gif

[wraith ice]

How much can you make from a full cargo run with the RAFT?

[worthy scroll]

Ideally around 56k. However, you'll likely never fill up a full load of the most desirable item. You'll have to grab the next best as well to get a full load, so it'll drop your profit considerably.

[cobalt rivet]

its considerably cheaper than buying a ship outright

you pay like 13 usd for like 50 mil aUEC (ballpark)

[pliant matrix]

what's the point? not like there is many things to do ingame out of farming money...

[keen wind]

regarding mining, do you have a good guide for getting the prospector kitted out properly?

[north oyster]

There's one pinned

[wraith ice]

question how much money do you make with ROC mining?

[meager gorge]

Depends how lucky you get with finding hadanite clusters

[wraith ice]

If I do get lucky what is the payout?

[north oyster]

A full ROC of hadanite is 200K aUEC

[wraith ice]

oh my

[north oyster]

The Lancet is the most critical item, it is the meta of mining Quantainium.

There are other tricks you will need to know

Active Angle Ping for ID asteroids over 11Km away

How to use Surge and Stampede if you mine on the surface of Lyria

and a number of other items

There's a good group of players here with good insight and suggestions that will help as you hit different challenges

[north oyster]

The challenge is that the ROC doesn't have 30K protection, so you will want to move your cargo over to the ship's inventory to prevent losing it if you are trying to make a long mining push

Or you can run back to any outpost and sell of as you get near 50% load

ROC mining is one of the more enjoyable things in the game, imo

[pliant matrix]

being lucky also mean not having a 30k to ruin your efforts but yeah 200k for a full load of hadanite. it might take an hour or two tho

[north oyster]

Also, you will want to swap out your ROC (aka Reclaim it) every two or three trips

[wraith ice]

I usally do Cargo Hauling so this makes me happy to know it's enjoyable

[north oyster]

I do a fair amount of Cargo to mix things up, keeps stuff interesting

[zenith maple]

so, I crashed my lancer with ROC inside, will a claim get them both back, or do I need to do 2 claims and put roc inside again?

[pliant matrix]

Cargo is atm not very fun since the payout is low and risks are high. also without a Cat or C2 it's not worth it

[north oyster]

Two claims

[meager gorge]

Having a macro to swap the hadanite gems over to your ship inventory isn’t a bad idea either.

[north oyster]

ROC is only 40 seconds though

[zenith maple]

okay, thanks. the tree came out of nowhere

[north oyster]

ouch

[pliant matrix]

damn tree... he could have avoid you ffs

[zenith maple]

really dont like the visability in the lancer

[wraith ice]

Yea thats why im getting into ROC mining trying to earn some cash to buy a C2 or Cata

[north oyster]

where are you mining? You'll want to get some Pembroke armor and head to Aberdeen

[zenith maple]

but didnt want to buy anything else yet

[north oyster]

Then try Arial and Daymar

[zenith maple]

I picked up the ROC last night, so was my first attempt of the gem thingy

[north oyster]

Hadanite is your friend

[zenith maple]

<- noob

[north oyster]

Don't waste time on dolivine

[zenith maple]

I dont care about the money really, just want to get a feel for some of the other loops

[pliant matrix]

I'd good luck on Liria the other day. 2/3 times I'd 3 rocks nod of hadanite

[wraith ice]

ah shit i just remembered that i need a ship to carry the damn thing

[north oyster]

yes, that's a key point, LOL

The cutty at one of the new stations is pretty cheap to rent

[wraith ice]

You think I could just go to an outpost and spawn the ROC and drive from their?

[north oyster]

Hadanite spawns in the hottest of environments, that why Aberdeen is so good

[wraith ice]

anti the only thing thats hot

[north oyster]

it'll burn out quickly

That's why the Pembroke armor

[wraith ice]

ah ok how long does it usually last under the heat?

[pliant matrix]

I wouldn't do that. you'll stay around the station and be an easy target

[north oyster]

The Nomad is pretty cheap, not the best transport by far but is the smallest that will carry a ROC

you'll have to back it into the bed

[pliant matrix]

for 300k more you get a cutlass who's way better to carry a ROC

[north oyster]

is it that close? Yeah, concur

Cutty is really be best entry level ship in the game

[pliant matrix]

952k for nomad 1.38mil for cutlass

so around 400k actually

[north oyster]

Save for the Cutty then

[wraith ice]

dam guess im renting then

[pliant matrix]

renting is a good deal to start with roc mining

[north oyster]

Check out the refinery stations that are new this patch, the rental is about half

[pliant matrix]

gotta do at least two full run tho to make it worth it

[north oyster]

For all my aspiring Miners ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qw3uftxgBw

[wraith ice]

You think a reg Freelancer could carry a ROC?

[north oyster]

yes it can

[toxic citrus]

Barely, just barely

[north oyster]

MAX is really the best ROC transport imo

[zenith maple]

yeah, I upgraded mine to a max to have better room

[north oyster]

Best cost per SCU in the game

Doubles as ROC carrier and Quantainium hauler

[wraith ice]

I have the Hull A right now was thinking about getting a freelancer

[north oyster]

Hull A time hasn't arrived yet

[wraith ice]

yea

[north oyster]

I CCU'd up to a MAX and that was such a great ship. I did eventually CCU to the Taurus because it was only like $5 to do it. But now I buy my MAX in-game after every wipe

[wraith ice]

See I'm thinking of getting the max but I wanna see how this C1 spirit looks when it comes out

[north oyster]

If you get the Spirit now, you'll get a Cutlass Black as a loaner, so it'll be a good buy, imo

[wraith ice]

Yea but i don't know how long it will take this ship to drop and personally i don't like flying the cutlass

[spring prism]

Barely. The Max would be better. But I only recommend it if you're uncomfortable with the cutlass black and getting through the narrow bit near the ramp.

if you do have to get the MAX, I wouldn't recommend pledging it, unless you want to melt/CCU the black to it.

[cobalt rivet]

Dont fall for the temporary ship trick

If they dont have a delivery date , dont get it

[worthy scroll]

Pfft

Looks at ship wishlist.

PFFFFT

[cobalt rivet]

Its lowkey crowdfunding

[zenith maple]

is there a second ATC binding for cars?

[worthy scroll]

I'm melting everything for two ships that won't be around for years.

[zenith maple]

the binding I have for flying dont seem to do jack

[wraith ice]

also what does it mean the melt/CCU?

is that like trading in

[spring prism]

The "Exchange" button on your hangar list of ships is what we mean by "Melting"

[wraith ice]

oh

[zenith maple]

melt you turn your ship/pledge into store money, CCU you buy a upgrade token to upgrade from 1 ship to another

[spring prism]

CCU is "Cross-Chassis Upgrade" it basically means buying an upgrade for a ship. You can do this without owning the base ship

[worthy scroll]

Melting is refunding for store credit.

You can do it at any time (24h after purchase), it's not the same as a real refund.

[zenith maple]

and people melt and rebuy to try and "cheat the system", saving money buy jumping between multiple upgrades in a chain

[pliant matrix]

I'm waiting for iae to melt my gladius and eventually msr to a C1 and another daily ride. C1 is what I was looking for and I've faith it'll carry a roc in the end

[spring prism]

Most people cheat by holding onto an old CCU/Ship that goes up in price later. However, there are times (very rare) when the price of the ship goes down instead. I noticed the warbond price of a ship went down instead of up by about 10 USD.

[pliant matrix]

I spent 200+taxes for the msr who's now 260 taxes included but don't see myself going higher so if I don't plan on using it I'd rather melt it

[spring prism]

I have three STVs waiting for IAE to chain/whatever:

[pliant matrix]

damn spirit is really sexy...

[worthy scroll]

I picked up two myself, and still have an old Archimedes Emerald LTI kicking around that hasn't been used.

[spring prism]

And have 165 USD in store credit

[spring prism]

C1 also gives a cutlass black loaner Which is why I know how narrow it is to get the ROC in.

The C1 definitely has the width to get a ROC in, but I'm more worried about the height of the ceiling. Since I've already seen that the Cyclone is wider and longer than the ROC

[pliant matrix]

by the time C1 is released I'll have enough to buy another ROC carrier so I'll love it even if it can't take it xD

connie for example

[spring prism]

The ROC is about a foot taller than the Cyclone due to the ROC's lights on top

And CIG says the C1 can fit a Cyclone

Which is why I'm concerned about the height limit