industrial-professions

[hazy vault]

other than that, character reset might be the only way to go

if u dont wanna character reset then melt the ship to store credit and repurchase it.

that resets the ship completely but u lose all the components

[vestal ravine]

okay good idea, at least the first part. Thanks

[hazy vault]

yw, ping me if/when u fix it

[vestal ravine]

Damn someone took my Powerplant!! Thieves!! EDIT: Its not in THIS local INV must be back at the other station. EDIT, Not in any inventories. Gotta go shopping.

[junior edge]

anyone else having trouble with streamlabs obs capturing star citizen, its only capturing a small window when the game launches and when its goes fullscreen, still shows small window doesnt do the game capture properly

[covert sail]

What is the ideal percentage I should go for when mining Quant in the halo belt?

[wraith ice]

what is the most money you can make from a Cargo run with a RAFT?

[vestal ravine]

I bought the new Powerplant and it seems to work fine in the hanger. Problem solved. F Max type ship.

[vestal ravine]

Not sure about the Halo but in general go for 20% and up...

[cobalt rivet]

20% of 7-8 k combined mass 👍

[covert sail]

My quantanium got transformed into inert wtf??

[vestal ravine]

Go to the Refinery and see if it's there. Did you have the ship impounded?

[covert sail]

I checked this at the refinery panel, and no, my ship didn't get impounded

[vestal ravine]

A lot on miners are not calling for a landing icon but park in front of a hanger and get impounded. You might want to drop power to the engines. This helps ensure the integrity of the Quant.

[fleet moat]

barely made it 10% health XD 0% hydration and full load (sorta) of quant

id lose my shit if i die mid quant

[wraith ice]

hey does ROC mining have good money in it or no?

[vestal ravine]

That would be a brutal finish!!

[vestal ravine]

If you are Mike from StarrStreams he can cash in a million credits.

[covert sail]

I tried to park in front of the hangar, but my ship blew up XD, guess I'll just land normally

And hope that RNGesus is merciful towards my full Quantanium loads

Halo belt is amazing for mining btw👌

Especially because I don't need to use Surge/Stampede modules

[fleet moat]

lucky find

[misty coyote]

Have they tweaked things??
I seem to be lucking out on the initial breaks, getting 100% quant fragments......

Also, using the Dinx method, how much SCU of quant adds up to 22scu final product?

[fleet moat]

https://uexcorp.space

use this

[misty coyote]

I realised just after that I could just do this.... 23 was the answer

I bought a Nomad.... So I'm going to attempt to use this to haul until I can afford a RAFT

Or.... I could rent a Lancer.... But that's profit eating

[fleet moat]

refine alot. when enough rent a connie

then buy a c2 or connie for more cargo space

[ivory gust]

You don't "park" in front of the hangar, you just float in front of the hangar door and get impounded.

Your earlier load went inert because you landed in a hangar instead of getting impounded.

[cobalt rivet]

ppl really have trouble with atc?

[ivory gust]

What? It's not trouble with ATC, it's the bug where Quant goes inert (or explodes) when landing in a hangar

[cobalt rivet]

[meager gorge]

This sucks so bad after a great mining trip

[ivory gust]

Considering a 100% reliable workaround is available, nobody should ever hit this bug after learning to impound instead

[meager gorge]

I hate paying 5k to park my ship so I keep trying to park it normally. Ive only ever had the bug happen like twice.

[ivory gust]

You only have to pay to retrieve the ship and then only if you're retrieving it within 15minutes. If you're logging off or taking a break from mining it's free.

Considering that losing a full load of Quant effectively costs you 270k, impounding is still worth it even if you pay every time. Even if you'd only hit the bug once every 40 runs you're still coming out on top

[shut isle]

does anyone know if the price of widow fluctuates? as in i might be able to profit if i buy widow from the necropolis and sell to grim?

[cobalt rivet]

Never once had to impound my prospector

Always had time for travel and a smooth landing. Punctual. Only once i ever had quant blow up on my ship was in one of my noobs attempts at mining

[ivory gust]

As I've said before, for this bug it doesn't matter how smooth your landing is. It's a bug.

[meager gorge]

That’s a fair way to look at it. I might try it out.

[arctic sparrow]

whats the best thing to cargo haul in the current patch?

[cunning agate]

I heard it said: Laranite Titanium to Lorville

[arctic sparrow]

From?

Hurston?

[ivory gust]

From whatever nearby mining station sells it

[inland pivot]

So if my ship is stored at a location but I don't get the retrieve option and can only claim, is there a fix? Or are my drugs gone?

[ivory gust]

Where is it stored, and are you there?

[inland pivot]

GH

yea I'm there. Can't retrieve

[jovial matrix]

If you’re interested in drug running, avoid widow. It has one of the best profit margins on paper, but in reality you’re going to be selling so little of it at a time that it will take you an unreasonable amount of time to sell as little of an amount as 10SCU. Stick with E’tam and neon for drug running, buy 10SCU of each at a time, and you’ll be much better off. It’s the same thing with slam, it has a high margin but sells very slowly, so it’s not worth it

[ivory gust]

If it's marked as "Stored" there (and not "on pad") then yeah, it's gone

[vestal ravine]

I had to road test the power plant on this F MAX ship so visited Calliope and Clio for a full mixed load back to NBIS. (Agricium and Titanium) The payoff was not very good at $22,581.00. Just an example of where things are. It was nice to visit some new Moons however. I have also done some cool mining over here but if the weather kicks up you have to stop.

[strange nebula]

I'm looking to host a quant mining exposition aboard my argo mole, a full crew would be nice but I can't afford to split the earnings evenly just yet, all participants are guaranteed a minimum compensation of 100000 auec per person per run up to 5 people. Plan is to run as many loads as possible. Look for me in the vc shortly or dm me for more info.

[glacial dagger]

Better to ask in #looking-for-session, there are almost always people looking for groups on there 😄

[strange nebula]

I tried there first but thought I would throw it in here aswell, have a more narrowed audients of the same subject you know but if it doesn't belong here I can remove it from this chat?

[glacial dagger]

Oh, did you? Fair enough. I'm not a mod, so I cant say you should 😄

[strange nebula]

fare

[glacial dagger]

A mod hasn't said anything yet, and you have posted in the lfg page...I would say your good 😄

[covert sail]

Omg thank you! This should be absolutely pinned💖

[halcyon brook]

Any theories on how PES is going to affect mining? If everything persists, will we run out of rocks?

[glacial dagger]

Nahh, resources will likely...generate when there aren't players around. Check for items in the area to determine if it's safe to spawn it in

[jovial matrix]

is there a limit to how many ongoing/completed refinery orders I can have in one refinery at a time?

[glacial dagger]

Currently...no?

The refinery screen can scroll sideways

I dont know of anyone that has reached a hard limit of on going deals 😄

[jovial matrix]

ok, thanks

[teal ridge]

If I buy the prospector, upgrade it fully and use the good mining lazer, do I need them surg charge things ?

Lancet MH1?

[glacial dagger]

For quant yh, Lancet I

Otherwise it's the Helix

[jovial matrix]

quant is the only ore that will explode, right?

[glacial dagger]

ye

[jovial matrix]

cool

[glacial dagger]

But's it's also like, 2x the price of the next best material

[jovial matrix]

yeah ik

[teal ridge]

Yeah I mean once I have the lancet, do I really need sub charges ?

Mining in Yvette prospector looks relaxing and a good role play career, I know I can sell it raw or make orders, where do I sell the orders ? I’ve the andromeda carry the cargo and sell it

[jovial matrix]

definitely enjoying prospector mining more than I thought I would, even if its only a rental one

[ivory gust]

If you're mining on a moon, yes, since you can get rocks that you won't be able to break without the modules.

If you're mining in the aaron halo, no, you don't need modules.

[teal ridge]

Also if a rock has lets say 40 per cent quant, is there a way to make the prospector not collect other material or can I just remove other material from the ship some how

[ivory gust]

You choose what chunks to collect.

you can use a FLTR module to reduce the "inert" collected, but can't change it other than that

[teal ridge]

What’s a FLTR? And inert?

I’d probably want to mine on a moon near ark L1 or wherever is best

Does ark L1 have a medical clinic to respawn or any of the other refinery star bases

[ivory gust]

A FLTR is a FLTR. It's a module you put on the laser head that filters out inert material. Inert material is stuff in rocks that has 0 value. Not ore, can't be refined.

[ivory gust]

Yes

[teal ridge]

I’m only looking to mine quant on lyira, I know I’ll need the lancet and something else to help, where do I sell the quant after the orders are completed

[ivory gust]

I recommend watching a tutorial video or two, it will explain everything.

You take the raw quant to the refinery and refine it. You then haul that refined ore to a major city (using a different ship, prospector can't) and sell it at their TDD console.

[teal ridge]

I definitely will look at some vids i remember doing it years ago and I remember going to TDD think it’s on lov

[jovial matrix]

every city has a TDD

[jovial matrix]

what would be the best mining head for mining things other than quant?

[worthy scroll]

Helix will get the job done, but so will the Lancet.

[cobalt rivet]

Lancet

[worthy scroll]

There's really no need to use anything other than the Lancet.

It just works.

[jovial matrix]

Okie dokie

Thanks for answering

[vestal ravine]

While I was in the Microtech system I decided to try these same Moon buy sell speed runs but could not QT jump to Clio had to go to Calliope. The first touchdown went great and I got a full load then went off and sold and came right back. There were no strong winds but still botched the landing the front tilted down on the C2. Sometimes the nose ramp will drive the ship up but this time it dug into the pad. I was going to walk down that ramp but partway down the whole ship lurched around 180 degrees. End of trade mission.

One of the cool things I found out is this Chlorine paid more than the Agricium/Titanium sales did by some six thousand dollars. I am going back soon for more “punishment” on Calliope. EDIT: The second round with this route went a okay but after the sell off I saw the medical supplies pick there. I thought well how much would they sell this time. It turned out to be the whole ship's worth at 1.14 million. Right as I was back on the ship a 30K occurred so I got safe passage back to Port Tressler. But once again I had problems landing in that very tight drop in hanger NBIS. After ripping off the rear fin and remembering my rage incident 2 weeks ago here I took off for Hurston. They would only buy $300,000.00 worth so I will be here a bit but at least safe and sound. I was on a AUS server no hassles from pirates. Another crazy day in Star Citizen.

[vestal ravine]

These ships are so tough to land!! KBM on my part.

[worthy scroll]

The obese geese are a bit front heavy. It takes practice to land them right, consistently.

[cobalt rivet]

just remember the nose is higher

and land using the mid to rear section

[zinc knot]

I just found a cluster of 7 quant deposits

is that normal?

[cobalt rivet]

Yes

Thats how quant is found

In clusters of 2 or more

[meager gorge]

Oh yah I Somtimes forget and totally nose over lol

[fast glacier]

I hate pirates

I lost so much money by being intercepted

[jovial matrix]

What happened?

[fast glacier]

I was on Daymar

and some random pirate found my ship

and shot me down 😦

next to nuen waste management

he didn't ask for money or anything

just started shooting

[jovial matrix]

You sure it was a player and not an NPC?

[fast glacier]

yeah, accurate hits

[jovial matrix]

Wouldn’t really call that person a pirate, they’re just an ass

[fast glacier]

they need to make cargo hauling more profitable...

its unplayable rn

[jovial matrix]

Wouldn’t say it’s unplayable, but it’s definitely not worth it compared to other money making methods

[cobalt rivet]

Lol the risk you take cargo hauling is not worth the profit

[fast glacier]

that's exactly my point...

which is why they should buff it

increase the potential profit

[cobalt rivet]

It used to be good

They nerfed it

To the grounds

They not gonna unerf it

Risking extremely high pocket money for marginal gain is stupid

Not even enough to pay off a turret gunner

Just do mining

Cargo running is going to get worst come 3.18

[zinc knot]

I honestly wouldn't even mind the marginal gain if they un-fucked supply and demand

The supply bottleneck has made it to where trading, which should logically be the most capital-intensive way of earning money in the game, has stuck large ships on titanium and maybe laranite scraps

Why they chose to share such a limited amount of supplies across servers is one of the most baffling things I've ever seen implemented in a game

[ivory gust]

Having the same limited supply shared across all servers is so dumb too, it's such a bad system for what's supposed to be an MMO. It clearly doesn't scale with the number of players at all

[zinc knot]

I'd understand it if the refresh rates and overall storage was higher, but it's not

[teal ridge]

How long do we have when we extract quant? Do we we break one rock at a time and go back to the refinery or ?

[zenith maple]

15min I think?

I was actually watching this just earlier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTI8N7NnxsM

15min from gathering it

[teal ridge]

Sounds like finding two or more rocks 🪨 near each other and breaks them up and extracts quickly and leg it lol I’ll watch that video thanks

[zenith maple]

Yeah, he breaks it down nicely, I aim to pick up a miner today and have a go at it

[teal ridge]

I do bounties mostly but it gets boring , I use to enjoy roc mining but I said why not buy and own the prospector and relax while mining, I use an elite controller with a YouTubers settings so I need to look at his bindings as I wasn’t able to fire the sub charge into the quant rock

The way I see it is any of the game plans can bug so it’s best to have a few different options of making money while enjoying the game

[zenith maple]

sounds like a good plan. I like trucking/package/exploring, so mining is already pretty close to that

[nova talon]

does the avenger titan work for hauling mining stuff?

just got started mining. did my first run

[misty coyote]

Nope

The SCU is about 3/6 ish?

You'll need minumum 31 ish SCU for a single full quant haul

Go to a Cargo Centre, Everus for example, and Rent a Freelancer.

Or I think the refinery rent out Cutty Blacks....

[nova talon]

i think i can buy a cutty

but would rather not rn

[misty coyote]

Nothing wrong with Rentals for Hauling

[nova talon]

ive just done my first job. ive got 14 hours till i have to haul

[misty coyote]

IF you can buy a hauler, then great

Otherwise, rent

[nova talon]

ive got 1.5 mil uec

[misty coyote]

Cutty isn't a Hauler though...But you can ROC mine

It CAN haul

But it's not a dedicated hauler.

It's a bit of a jack of all trades

I'm in a similar boat...I'd sooner rent what I need, haul alot more in a few trips, so load up on Work Orders

[nova talon]

yea

this work order took the stuff out of my prospector right? im not gonna blow up haha

[misty coyote]

Then buy a dedicated hauler like a RAFT, or Lancer...Even better, A LancerMax

When you set up the work order, it's removed

[nova talon]

ok cool

[misty coyote]

You paid your money, you got your timer

[nova talon]

i did a pretty crap job. mostly all inert unfortunatley

[misty coyote]

And you chose the Dinx Solvination to get MAX output

[nova talon]

yea the slowest

[misty coyote]

Nice

[nova talon]

ive got nothing but time

[misty coyote]

So the choice of method I think comes down to what you already have on

If you can wait, DINX all the way

If you have 10 hours on something, and a full quant load....

I might choose something quicker, especially if I plan to be on in 10 hours...Then it's all there for me

Freelancer Max is as big as you need for quant hauling, otherwise you're risking crashes and bugs or other calamities

I'll be buying a RAFT, just because I like them.

That's 3 Prosp loads max

That's a safe bet, and worth the trip

[nova talon]

ok thx

ill prob do some mining today, then rent, then buy a hauler with the profit

[misty coyote]

Cheapest is the Cutty, then the Lancer

So it' depends on how much you need to haul.

[nova talon]

is cutty good solo? i cant remember if i had heard it was better crewed

[misty coyote]

I dislike the Cutty....I have an odd habit of going against the easy path...

I prefer the Lancer

It's much better crewed

[nova talon]

ok

[misty coyote]

Any multi crew ship is better crewed

[nova talon]

haha yea

[misty coyote]

The Cutty has space for a ROC, the lancer...Not....

[nova talon]

why would i take a ROC over the prospector

thats the wheeled thing right?

[misty coyote]

Prosp = Mine + Refine + Haul + Sell
ROC = Mine + Sell

When they make the shift click button a thing

You can open up the ROC and shift click your Hadenite into your ship

30k protection and an empty ROC

Max profit on ROC mining is about 200k

Max on a single full quant run is about 270k

I think you can get more Prosp runs in an hour than ROC, but that's where your scanning skills come in

[nova talon]

yea, my scanning is bad. took forever to find a quant rock, that was low yield

[misty coyote]

Watch some vids...

There is a way to do this that will maximise

[nova talon]

yea i have been

thx bro

[misty coyote]

de nada

Good luck mining

[nova talon]

thx

[misty coyote]

Gotta look after our fellow logisticians

and industians

Because....they are of course...real words

[nova talon]

just got a 14% quant rock right out of my jump

[misty coyote]

WHat size though?

[nova talon]

oh, idk. rock is pretty decent. just cracked it

[misty coyote]

Ah ok

Are you on Lyria?

[nova talon]

the halo

[misty coyote]

Ah nice...
I've fallen lucky there with some 30s and 40s

[nova talon]

one piece off this is 1209 mass, 44% quant

[misty coyote]

Oh baby!

That won't fill you up...But it's a good one

There should be a pin here to show you what to take and what to leave

[nova talon]

and another piece is 22% quant 690 mass. and theres a whole nother rock to crack

to get used to it, i think im just gonna take anything with quant

then start learning how to get most out of it

[misty coyote]

Yeah...It's if you run out of quant rocks and have space

[nova talon]

yea. theres only 2 rocks here so i figure i couldve looked for a bigger cluster

[misty coyote]

I think you'll be ok there.

Once they turn blue, you'll need to find your hoovering order, starting with the largest percentage then whatever is next of value

[nova talon]

yea. biggest % to smallest right?

the vid i watched, he found a 100% quant chunk so it wasnt the best example haha

think i got 15 scu (forget the weight measurment term) of quant

basically half a load

do yall get robbed often? youtubers act like piracy is a massive deal

now im hella confused. i mine quant, but the refiner says my ship has quartz and beryl

[burnt storm]

how long did it take you to get back to the refinery, Quant is on a timer once you mine it

[nova talon]

not 15 mins

[burnt storm]

I see.

[nova talon]

and now my rock just broke, even tho the red wasnt filling

like,e exploded

[misty coyote]

It exploded with no red?

At all?

[nova talon]

not none, but it had barley gone critical, so i stopped the lazer, then boom

[misty coyote]

Did you deads?

[nova talon]

nah, but it killed my ship so i had to relog

[misty coyote]

Hmm..That might be the instability part?

If it cracks with Red in it....

Or it's a bug....

[nova talon]

it was such a good rock. it split into a 100% quant rock, and another 50% rock

idk

im also confused about my second run. i got good quant, but when i went to refine, it said beryl and quartz. no quant

[misty coyote]

Oh dear

There is a known bug where quant turns inert when you land

[nova talon]

rip

[misty coyote]

The way out is to use the Valet parking

I tend to call for landing permision, go to the hanger, then call again to revoke. Wait outside and get impounded

[nova talon]

ok

the prospector brakes so slow compared to the titan. it throws me off

[drifting oxide]

Hi guys, quick question: What profit / cash can I expect with an average tour in a rented Prospector?

[teal ridge]

So guys I was mining my first rock and the cockpits seem to be very bright and hard to see things at times and I was mining this rock stage 1 then was about to break the other parts and as I was doing it the rock exploded and broke the ship lol 😂 is the bright cockpit a 🐛

[cobalt rivet]

cockpit really does need a color slider

trying to read anything while flying on a bright surface is cancer

[teal ridge]

I’m at L1 station and was trying to mine on lyiar or something. Would it be easier for now to mine somewhere else?

[ivory gust]

You can try mining in the Aaron halo instead. Scanning is a little different but mining works the same

[plush maple]

If you go the halo route @teal ridge

[teal ridge]

What’s with the bands? Do I just use lancet without and sub charges and what should I mine

I’m just trying to see if I like prospector mining, if not I’ll go back to a cutty and roc on Arial 😂 mine hadanite and sell it on the same planet sounds similar

[ivory gust]

They're different bands of the halo. https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes has more details

Lancet head is all you need, you don't need any modules to mine asteroids if you're patient (I don't know what a "sub charge" is)

You're looking for Q-type asteroids to find quantanium. If you use . and , keys to reduce angle of scan, then ping directly at a ping result, it shows the asteroid type up to 12km away. Ignore asteroids that show blank, they're unscannable

[drifting oxide]

Guys, does my cargo save when I log out?

e.g. I parked my ship in a station with scu and want to log out, will it still be there if I log in?

It's stored ofc 😄

[jovial matrix]

Should be

[drifting oxide]

😦 Hurl legit buys only 1000 Units of Med supplies?

I have 56k damn

[jovial matrix]

Don’t sell commodities to stations, always to cities

[teal ridge]

That looks interesting I’m gonna try it now, yes I want to mine quant, is there a way to filter out other material and only pick up quant or does that even matter really

[plush maple]

You can buy filter modules to attach to mining heads to reduce inert materials you pick up if you want to go that route

[nova talon]

im having an issue scanning asteroids. no info shows up when i scan, so idk what kind they are

[jovial matrix]

Are you in the belt?

[nova talon]

yea

[jovial matrix]

Cause if so, it’s probably an unscanable asteroid

[nova talon]

its got an icon

[jovial matrix]

Doesn’t mean you can scan it

[nova talon]

oh. ok thx

that answers it haha

[ivory gust]

Yes, that's an unscannable asteroid. Move on.

You can try some tricks to get it to scan (get out of pilot seat, Eva out of your ship and get back in)

You can see what's unscannable from 12km away so no need to go to them

[nova talon]

how do i know

[jovial matrix]

This explains it ^

[nova talon]

oh, im using that page rn

[ivory gust]

By using your scanner

[nova talon]

yea, i scan. but how do i know theyre unscanable

[ivory gust]

https://youtu.be/Xgh-bqFlo_c

Use the comma and period keys to bring your scan angle down to 2 degrees and ping directly at the scan results while in mining mode

It shows you the asteroid type

[nova talon]

yea, ive already done that. but the info isnt showing up

[ivory gust]

Yes, that's the point. If the info doesn't show up, it's an unscannable asteroid.

[nova talon]

yes. so how do i know what is unscannable from 12km out

[ivory gust]

... Because the info doesn't show up when you ping the result at 2 degrees

[nova talon]

it doesnt anyway. it only scans at around 2 km

[ivory gust]

Then you either didn't reduce your scan angle or didn't ping

[nova talon]

tab at 2 degrees?

[ivory gust]

Yes, while pointed straight at the scan result from scanning at a larger angle

[nova talon]

yea im doing that

no info unless im closer

[ivory gust]

In mining mode?

[nova talon]

yea

[ivory gust]

You don't get details, just the asteroid type

So you can see if it's q-type

[nova talon]

yea. nothing. no O or P or E or anythin

[ivory gust]

No idea what you're doing wrong, then. When done correctly, unscannables will show blank but real asteroids will show asteroid type up to 12km

[nova talon]

im getting all blanks, or its not working. i find the former unlikely due to how many ive scanned

[ivory gust]

Try switching servers (can bedlog from Prospector)

Otherwise, would need a video to see what you're doing

[nova talon]

yea, ill relog

yea logging fixed it

[jovial matrix]

Nice

[teal ridge]

Is there a key bind to jettison cargo I don’t want, it was an N type asteroid not a Q

[ivory gust]

Only thing you can jettison is Quant that's about to explode.

If you didn't want the cargo why did you harvest it?

[sonic laurel]

I want to be rushing supplies to an outpost that desparately needs them and then jettison it all into deep space with a malicious grin.

[misty coyote]

I've harvested materials I didn't want, it's not unusual to think you could jettison, when there is a buttons that says, jettison.

After playing other games where you can choose, it's a safe bet here

That rock with 80% quant and 20% bluetac.....

can't stop that sticky stuff

[nova talon]

not bad for my 3rd attempt at mining. wish id had the MOLE. there was so much left

[misty coyote]

Take up a probe mission...or so I've heard...or a box mission and drop it

Then tell me if it works

Because I want to mark things up when a tasty rock comes along

[teal ridge]

How do I use the filter that I added to the lancet to only pick up quant ?

[misty coyote]

You don't

the FLTR module just stops as much inert

If they added that filter, they might as well not have any other mineral in the game ATM

[ivory gust]

The FLTRs are kind of useless imo since they only filter out inert, not garbage ores

[misty coyote]

What's garbage Ores?

Being glib there...Apologies...

They added a useful tool to stop inert, which is the definition of garbage.

The other stuff is highly useful

But useful is a sliding scale

When they add watch making in....That Quartz!!!

Soon TM

[ivory gust]

Anything other than Quant, Bexalite, borase, taranite is garbage.

[teal ridge]

When I do find a rock, how to I use the charge that helps break it or something

[ivory gust]

Surge?

[teal ridge]

The thing you can add to the lancet I think it helps break the rock or stability or something

[ivory gust]

There are many "things you can add to the lancet", they're called Modules. Which one are you referring to?

Passive ones are "always on" and you don't have to do anything to use them.
Active ones you activate (using Alt+1, Alt+2, or Alt+3) and it applies its effect.

[misty coyote]

Ah... I was going to say about the keybinds... But haven't used them so didn't know what they where.

I think the FLTR modules are still worth it....It's a soft description to call minerals you can sell garbage.

[ivory gust]

They are taking space in my hold that could have held more quant instead, ergo they have negative value.

[misty coyote]

Then get rid of all minerals other than quant from the game... Easy

[ivory gust]

Nah, enabling the FLTR to be configurable would still be interesting gameplay. Surges/stampedes so you can mine larger rocks, or FLTRs so you can focus on only getting what you want

[misty coyote]

Fair.

[teal ridge]

Is star citizen down or something? When I launch its failing to load and kicks me back out

[stray wolf]

I’m playing rn so it should be fine

[teal ridge]

Star citizen has stopped running unexpectedly is what I’m getting

[stray wolf]

Wrong channel for this. Go to #helpdesk

Can you steal someone’s ship full of traded goods and sell it?

[jovial matrix]

Nope

[stray wolf]

Ok sweet thanks

[misty coyote]

Not yet....

When the cargo refactor comes out, you'll be able to load it into your own, then sell it...

[stray wolf]

That sounds cool

[misty coyote]

If cargo is physical in 3.18, then it will be viable..... But..... They won't have added the grav levs or anything...

So the M2 full of Laranite.... Move it a box at a time.

I think pirates could skim a little off the top... Take a fist full of boxes

When the full refactor occurs..... And hangers... And release.... And fairies...

You could have your work orders delivered to your hanger.... Then you can load up onto whatever you want.... Including friends haulers...

All supposition of course.

[north oyster]

There will be a 3.17.4 Patch

[misty coyote]

Huh.... What's in this one?

[ivory gust]

3.18 has been pushed to november. 3.17.4 will have the IAE content

[delicate relic]

maybe filtering out "ore" you dont want will be something for multicrew down the line. Like you man turret, they run a mini game whatever thingy to shunt unwanted stuff back in to space. Or maybe thats what the orion and the new miner will bring to table?

[misty coyote]

I like this

[teal ridge]

What’s the best planter to roc mine on?

[ivory gust]

Aberdeen, Arial, Daymar, Magda

[teal ridge]

Is hadanite best to mine

[ivory gust]

Aberdeen you'll need a Pembroke suit, Arial you'll be fine with medium or heavy armor, daymar and magda are fine in just an undersuit/helmet

[ivory gust]

Yes, by far

Aphorite is a distant second, dolovine isn't worth mining

[teal ridge]

Which moon is nice and not mad bright and beautiful with normal suit or no suit lol

[misty coyote]

There are parts of Micro tech that's are ice.

..... And nice...

[teal ridge]

I use to mine on Arial back in the day with the cutty and roc and it was simple and fun it was relaxing but Arial can be bright

Micro tech is to far lol I’m based at EH

@ivory gust I’m based at EH so I know Arial would be handy, is I went to daymar or mag is there a medical clinic near by so I can respawn there

[ivory gust]

Magda is probably the only one that's not super bright, but it's a distant 4th for ROC mining. You'll want to mine in the darker "blue" areas of the planet

[ivory gust]

Magda is also around Hurston, so you can use EH as well. Daymar you'll need to use Grim HEX or CRU L1

Arial has been the best bet for ROC mining for me this patch. Daymar and Magda I didn't find much

[teal ridge]

Arial has always been great, so I need medium armour yeah ? Am I can sell it at one if the ground bases yeah? Cutty to carry roc to be quick yeah ? I have the andromeda either

[ivory gust]

You can get the Aril suit at the Everus Harbor cargo center, that will be fine for ~15-20min of survivability on Arial; downside is you end up with a yellow HUD if that bothers you.

You can sell the gems at the ground outposts or stations.

Cutlass is fine, Andromeda works too although Arial has a lot of very large boulders close together so it might be harder to find a landing spot for the Andromeda

[teal ridge]

I upgrade the mustang starter pack to the prospector but i actually don’t like it so how do I get rid of it without messing up my starter pack ?

[ivory gust]

You need to either upgrade further (which will keep everything you have in the pack, e.g. LTI or additional goodies like paints), or you'll have to melt it (exchange) for store credit and buy another starter pack, which will lose any additional stuff from your pack

[teal ridge]

So melt the prospector and buy a new starter that makes sense, is the cutty the only starter ship that can carry a roc on the list

[ivory gust]

Nomad can also carry a ROC.

[teal ridge]

Can the anvil c8x Pisces carry a roc or the i100

[ivory gust]

No. Only Nomad.

If you want to try the Nomad I'll let you borrow mine

[teal ridge]

Yeah I think I had the nomad before ages ago I think it had a big at the back can’t remember

[ivory gust]

Yes, it has an open truck bed

[teal ridge]

I want to be able to find rock land and get to work quickly

Can it load the roc handy ?

[ivory gust]

Yes, it's very easy to get the ROC in. Much easier than the Cutlass

Can also just park the Nomad right in front of the gems and mine out the back 🙂

[teal ridge]

Omg that’s a genius idea 😎😎😎

So back it into the nomad and then park the back at the gems 💎 and mine lol love that idea it’s brilliant and fast

[ivory gust]

Might have issues with laser range, and you'll have to drive off to go chasing after gems that go flying

[jovial matrix]

I thought Aphrodite was the worst?

[teal ridge]

I like the idea of being able to get the roc on and off faster that the cutty

@ivory gust should I upgrade it at all in game if I’m just roc mining from EH to Arial ?

[jovial matrix]

Might want a different quantum drive

[teal ridge]

No worries, looks handy to use space pickup 🛻

[ivory gust]

I love Aphrodite, she's great.

Aphorite (the gem) is the second highest in value and the easiest to mine. Dolovine is the lowest in value and the hardest to mine.

I think Aphorite used to be lowest value a while ago, but it switched at some point

[ivory gust]

Probably don't need any upgrades, no, although getting a better QD certainly could be good. You might want to upgrade the power plant as well, the stock one is pretty bad.

[misty coyote]

I just don't see why Dolvine... It makes no sense.

It explodes real easy and sells for nothing...

Feels like someone made a mistake

[ivory gust]

The only use for Dolovine is for looting from bad guys and boxes in caves, since that sells well (each "unit" collected counts as 10 "units" when selling)

Mining dolovine is basically never worth it

[misty coyote]

Sounds like a bug... One way or the other... If it's worth 10 times as much.

Or is it 10s bigger?

[jovial matrix]

Damn ok, thanks

[ivory gust]

It is not 10x bigger

[restive creek]

are the ores worth it now. i kept finding quant with 3k at 2% constantly and gave up on mining but i like it best

[ivory gust]

the next best ore after quant is worth only half as much. If you just want maximum money, you want quant

[restive creek]

im aware of that, im saying since 3.17 it seems the %^ of quant per rock hasnt been worth the time mining it

imo

[ivory gust]

That's just you being unlucky. I've found plenty of high-quant rocks this patch.

See this one that just got posted in the other channel: #star-citizen message

[nova talon]

idk, i only started mining today. from what i keep seeing, quant is the get rick quick method. "quick" being relative

[jovial matrix]

finally a decent haul in the rental

that took way too long

[ivory gust]

yeah, it's weird that the highest value ore currently is also the easiest to find in bulk

[jovial matrix]

seriously

it doesnt help that i can only mine like half the rocks i find in the rental, but even then the decent stuff is few and far between

[ivory gust]

can use gadgets to expand what you can mine in a rental

[jovial matrix]

this is true

that increases the price of the rental to like 100k though

[ivory gust]

can even do quant with a sabir to reduce instability

true, but allegedly you get to keep the gadgets

[jovial matrix]

really? I thought they were single use

[ivory gust]

they're supposed to be reusable

[jovial matrix]

interesting

maybe i will try them then

[ivory gust]

but can be lost if the rock blows up

[jovial matrix]

yeah

[nova talon]

dang, just found 8 quant rocks together in the belt. hope theyre good

[teal ridge]

I’m the cutty, I scan to find a rock but I forgot how to be able to tell if it’s hadanite or am I looking at the wrong rock lol

[nova talon]

idk check what letter coresponds to Hadanite

[teal ridge]

I think I should be looking for little Jems not rocks as I’m in the cutty scanning

[ivory gust]

Get the nose of your cutlass real close to the deposits, then:
Either use scan mode to see what it is exactly (press V, then point the little box in the middle right at the rock, then hold left mouse button to scan it)
OR hold f and use scroll wheel to zoom in and look at the rock, pink streaks means hadanite

[nova talon]

is hadanite better than quant? it sells for more. but idk how it works yet

[ivory gust]

Two different types of mining. hadanite is mined by ROC ground vehicles or the hand mining tool, quantanium is mined by the Prospector and MOLE ships

[nova talon]

oh. thx

[regal sedge]

Yo

What should I mine to start making money with a Stock Prospector

[teal ridge]

Problem is I’m using an elite controller with some settings of a YouTuber, I can scan or scan in away I can see if the rock line if a colour but get the rock information I’m no ideal

It use to be little diamonds 💎 in the ground not a big rock

[ivory gust]

Nothing, don't use a stock prospector

[nova talon]

so, ive got a bunch of rocks ready to collect, but idk if i should collect yet. how do i know if itll fill me up?

[ivory gust]

Gems are still little diamonds on the ground

[ivory gust]

Math. https://sc-mining.app/

[nova talon]

id rather rip my toenails off than do math haha

thx

[ivory gust]

Big rocks are Prospector rocks, not stuff for ROCs

[teal ridge]

No problem I’ll keep looking

Found three small rocks with the diamond symbol but for some reason I can’t see what they are from tel cutty

Far as I remember it a year ago, fly around and scan and when I found a roc rock it would show up hadanite etc

I did get a 30 about 10 minutes after I started scanning for rocks so I don’t know if that’s why I could see what rocks they were

30k

[nova talon]

4th run today, hella quant. not quite 100% but close. this is fun

hopefully i get faster, but it seem half luck

is there a point to VTOL?

[regal sedge]

Thats what I have

And 15k

[ivory gust]

You need to use scan mode as I described above in order to see what they are if you're not in a ship with a mining head

[ivory gust]

A lancet head (needed for mining quant) is only 23.5k. Whatever you did to earn the money for the prospector, go do that a little more until you can buy a Lancet and have enough left over for refinery fees

[nova talon]

damn. i just lost a whole load of quant inside the hangar, because freaking buggy flight

[teal ridge]

There seems to be two scan modes, one is like a normal scan and the second is one with a wheel that I can make big or small

[ivory gust]

You should not have been in the hangar in the first place.

When you're loaded with quant, you should never land in a hangar. Always impound:

• DON'T call atc
• Fly up to a closed hangar door
• Wait to get impounded. If the message doesn't appear in ~30seconds, try a different hangar

[nova talon]

ok

[ivory gust]

The one with the wheel. Activated when you press "V". Has a circle (that you can "make big or small" with mouse wheel) and a little square in the very center. Point the square at the thing you want to scan and hold left mouse button.

[teal ridge]

Is there a quick way of knowing it’s hadanite by the colour line around the rock

[ivory gust]

I literally already told you that like 30min ago... Pink is hadanite

All ROC deposits have yellow streaks on them. Hadanite will additionally have pink, aphorite blue, dolovine green

[nova talon]

when it gets impounded, do i have to be outside it? i forget how that works

[ivory gust]

Nope, if you're inside it'll stick you at the ASOP terminals.

You should also shut off your engines once you've come to a stop and the impound message has shown up

[nova talon]

ok

thx

[spring prism]

That's nearly 4k less profit than SC Trade Tools says it is

[misty coyote]

Yeah.... Commodities are priced based on servers demand.

[ivory gust]

Yes, SC Trade Tools doesn't have the actual numbers, just the base numbers. Real numbers change.

[misty coyote]

All servers... Not just yours...

Gotta love that profit margin... Investing over 50k and risking a crash, for literally pence on the pound..... Go hauling!

[spring prism]

SCT should show an average "Low" then for the worst case

[ivory gust]

I mean, if it did that, everything would be 0

[misty coyote]

I'd steer clear of hauling... I lost almost a million on crashes whilst hauling...

[arctic sparrow]

is there any experienced cargo haulers here??

[misty coyote]

Cargo Hauling isn't worth the time atm... Unless you're in a larger ship.... And then, you're putting up to 600k of your own money into cargo to sell for a profit of what can be achieved in a fraction of the time with zero outlay.... See bounties.....

There will be people here that have made successful trades.... Seen the profits and wanted to keep doing it.... There are some tried and tested runs.... But anyone with experience, will have stopped doing it to not get disillusioned

[spring prism]

Yeah, I'd rather do box deliveries right now than hauling using a cutlass black . My biggest profit was only about 7.4k

[misty coyote]

How many boxes does this get to?

I did the second tier missions which was 3 boxes

[spring prism]

Once you get to rank 2 in a delivery company, there's a chance to spawn a single 45,000 aUEC Box Delivery Mission, which requires combat.

You get 6x 8000 auEC box delivery missions otherwise. Two types, three each:

3x of gather all boxes at a single location, delivery each box in a different place.
3x of gather boxes in different locations, deliver them all to the same place.

Ships like the Avenger titan that have a lot of vertical room are better for taking all 6 at once, when you can overlap getting/delivering boxes.

The 100 series has a cargo hold that can fit a dozen or so boxes before it becomes a pain to sort through them (up to two boxes in height when stacked, maximum. With about room for 12-16 or so in the standard cargo hold.) The 135c can hold more in its secondary cargo hold

[misty coyote]

I have a nomad, I'll just chuck them in the boot

Was thinking about the C8X for it

[spring prism]

Be aware, the nomad's back can have undesired movement when the lift goes up and down, sometimes making them slowly edge forward over time

[misty coyote]

You don't need to send it up and down if you're tractoring...Though...Armistis zones......

[spring prism]

The Pisces is a good smaller alternative to the avenger titan if you don't need a bed. (Or wait until medical pisces.)

[misty coyote]

There is one????

I thought that was a wish

[spring prism]

It's apparently a leak, maybe.

[misty coyote]

Oh damn!!!

Me wanty!

[spring prism]

Probably will be tier 3 bed, but that's enough to keep someone alive to rush them to a triage/medivac or another ship with a tier 1

[misty coyote]

I just posted in the Flight and Combat about getting a Cutty Red for ROC hopping...It was for the Medical side too...

But if this is going to be a thing, then I'm all over this

[spring prism]

I wouldn't mind a 135e 100-series variant where the secondary cargo becomes a slim tier 3 bed

Or remove the primary cargo, extend the internal a bit for a medical bed, and keep the secondary cargo

Still also hoping for a Salvage ship from Consolidated Outlands to complement the Pioneer. Medium Salvage, to bridge the gap between Vulture and Reclaimer.

[misty coyote]

I like medium ships...

Just seem to don't see much love in the combat loop

[glacial dagger]

Idk, the Connie can put up a lot of fight

[misty coyote]

True...

[spring prism]

I'm pretty sure Constellation is a large

[glacial dagger]

swing that massive backside around and face the enemy, suddenly they have 4xS4 and 4xS3 bearing down on them 😄

[glacial dagger]

Nope, S2 comps

[spring prism]

Then how is a Vanguard a medium fighter?

[glacial dagger]

idk bud, dont ask me 😄

Wait

That might be it's combate scaling

[spring prism]

This is just as bad as the cSCU, microSCU and SCU

[glacial dagger]

How? That one makes sense. 1 SCU = 100 cSCU/units = 1000 uSCU

[spring prism]

There's some weird things going on with some components that make no sense, even though they should fit SCU (using microSCU measurements) wise in a cutlass black, it won't take certain sized components, specifically ones it cannot equip.

Which makes it just as bad being unable to drop ship components, even though you can drop mining heads in the refinery shop by doing some weird shenanigans with the displays. (Mining heads, like ship guns count as weapons, so they can't be dropped in armstice zones.)

I just want CIG to actually let us store an item if it fits the SCU the ship can hold in storage. But no, they have to make up some weird crap about component sizes hidden somewhere.

Also kind of weird that the ship stowage is the same value as the SCU cargo.

Since they don't take up the same space according to storage

Or will that change in the future?

[misty coyote]

Do you still get a loaner with the Hull A?

It's mentioned in the blurb on the matrix, but isn't in the Matrix. Blurb is likely wrong, but thought i'd ask anyway

[zenith maple]

so, what am I doing wrong when I cant scan an asteroid?

I pull up the scanning mode, tried to set keybind to my stick and use default mouse, but nothing happens

[fallen atlas]

Some asteroids are unscannable. Chris Winters talked about it not too far up the chat yesterdayish

[zenith maple]

that would explain a lot, but if nothing else, I got my bindings sorted better. time to find another rock and test I gues

thanks

[fallen atlas]

yeah. He said if they show up blank in info, then they're unscannable. Should be visible from up to 12km out.

[zenith maple]

hmfs, my scan progress bar goes to 100% and is stuck there, without showing info. guessing I should try server jump or something and see

like, everything worked when I tried it on the surface earlier, so no idea why this should be any different

[glacial dagger]

You can break the unscannable bug. Get out of your ship, Eva away until you get the notice that you have left your ships Comms, and then get back in. The rock 'should' now be visible

[fallen atlas]

I'd jus go to another asteroid

[zenith maple]

relog did it too

I tried 5 in a row without it working, so got a bit annoyed

[zenith maple]

4 hours to refine, oof

but things are working at least

[ivory gust]

If you're in a Prospector you shouldn't be using scan mode, only mining mode

[zenith maple]

it wasnt showing me any stats for the rock in either one

[ivory gust]

Yes, that's an unscannable asteroid. Just pointing out that there's no reason to ever use scan mode in the Prospector

[zenith maple]

the guide I was following said to scan to get the list of the different metals, so I was just following that

[ivory gust]

Mining mode tells you that

[zenith maple]

and then had 5 rocks just refusing to let me, so not sure if its just me or the server at the time, might go back to being ups driver on the regular

[ivory gust]

Not just you, that's what unscannable asteroids are.

If you're scanning correctly you can see that they're unscannable from 12km out so there's no need to get close anyway

[zenith maple]

so that happens a lot?

[ivory gust]

Yes

[zenith maple]

well that is going to be annoying, I bed logged after the fifth one, because it just seemed a bit too much

[jovial matrix]

Sir vanguards are heavy fighters

[ivory gust]

And cutlass is somehow a "medium fighter"

[spring prism]

You know, probably the biggest thing I want to ask CIG, is if they plan to have an api that allows sites like SC Trade tools to update commodity prices/etc. if they feel like it could be abused, offer API Keys to subscribers.

[fallen atlas]

probably because of its armament/maneuverability more than anything. It's definitely somewhere between medium/heavy, but I think pound for pound a Vanguard vs a cutty black, the vanguard has a pretty clear advantage in firepower.

API keys should be available to all if available at all, just with rate limits.

[teal ridge]

Roc mining at the moment, what material has a purple line around the rock ?

[spring prism]

If they don't offer an API system, someone will make a bot that reads the data from the in-game terminals/monitors and sends the information to a site like SC Trade Tools. We already have this for Final Fantasy XIV for their market boards, and it gets said bots banned all the time.

The bot won't make trade decisions, it will just read the data.

[teal ridge]

I know hadanite is pink this looks purple

[ivory gust]

All of them when you're in scan mode

Point the cross hair at the the rock and hold the left mouse button to actually use scan mode

[spring prism]

You may have to do it more than once if the servers are being finicky.

[teal ridge]

I did scan it shows the mass etc not what material

[ivory gust]

Need to hold the button down longer

Other side of the screen?

[spring prism]

Yeah, the material is on the right

[teal ridge]

Oh I see what you mean @ivory gust 92% hadanite thank you so much 😊

[spring prism]

As a general rule of thumb, if the instability is higher than 2, it's usually not hadanite.

[teal ridge]

Ok thanks guys much appreciated

[north oyster]

Instability between 1.1 and 1.9 is normally hadanite iirc

Above 2 is dolivine

[spring prism]

Dolivine is the bamboozler

[north oyster]

Trash gem

[spring prism]

Not worth the effort and potential gem explosion

[north oyster]

Below 1 is the gem we hardly ever find

[spring prism]

Aphorite? I forgot its name. I found two clusters once.

[north oyster]

Wow, yeah, not seen it in reasonable quantities at all

[spring prism]

One of the clusters was a cluster of 3-4 iirc. The other was two.

[fallen atlas]

I've killed myself mining in prison that way a few times

[spring prism]

Gem explosion?

[north oyster]

I'd mine it if I found it in 4 or larger. Easy rock to crack

The red zone penalty

[ivory gust]

Found aphorite all the time on daymar

[spring prism]

What you need to do in that case, is let the power / strength empty immediately, and let the red zone empty / go to one pixel, if you re-empty the red zone, it won't explode

[north oyster]

I need to visit daymar, not mined there in forever

[spring prism]

Wala iirc is having a sudden boom in Quant clusters

[north oyster]

Really?

[spring prism]

Allowing people to split between it and Lyria

I heard it from another user here, who found several deposits

He didn't find any above 7000 either

Perfect for no-module users

[teal ridge]

I haven’t roc mined in the cutty in ages, it was cool to just do it again 😊

[ivory gust]

Ehhhhh it seemed pretty bad after 3.17.2. I mined there a bunch in 3.17.1 and it was nice, but very empty after .2

[north oyster]

good to know, we can hope .4 will bring some joy

I need to look up that macro program you mentioned @ivory gust to move stuff in the inventory. I think I'll mine more with the ROC if I have that working.

[teal ridge]

When I extract hadanite, do I still need to jump out and put the hadanite in a backpack in case if 30k? That’s how long ago I use to roc mine, or does the material stay in the roc even after a 30k ? I know last night I got a 30k and when I logged in today the roc was still in the cutty to my surprise

[spring prism]

I can vouch for the voice attack macro, it's pure bliss to let it do its thing

[ivory gust]

ROC will still be in ship if that's how the 30k happened, but the contents of the ROC will be gone. Need to move them to ship to be safe

[spring prism]

Yeah, I can also vouch for that, had partial roc emptied, but 30k'd, everything moved over stayed

[north oyster]

true that, ROC has zero protection

I think CIG could easily remedy that issue, not sure why they don't

[spring prism]

They might when they finish producing the Vanduul Harvester for universe-use.

But don't expect that any time soon

[teal ridge]

Yeah so it’s still a risk but sure if everything was easy it’ll be boring risk element to it

What a view

[teal ridge]

They should add water and food at this little planet bases it’s thirsty work being a miner lol

[ivory gust]

Look for small white crates in the buildings, they have water and food in them

[spring prism]

Sometimes food with high hydration content

[meager gorge]

Gotta get that Cruz for the food and hydration combo

[zenith maple]

so I mined some stuff and refined it. I thought I could sell it in NB, but it wont let me. Where is a good overview over what can be sold where?

I know gold and diamonds isnt what people want, but I just wanted to do a mining loop to get a feel for things

[ivory gust]

You can sell it at NB, you must be at the wrong terminal. You're looking for the TDD terminals

[zenith maple]

ah, okay, I was at the planetary services

[burnt storm]

I've made the same mistake before it's pretty common

[zenith maple]

I think the Planetary service has a package thingy too, guessing thats why I have been there before

[spring prism]

It also has a trading terminal for specific commodities

Planetary Services, however, should be treated like a Station's administration.

While TDD is the main trading area for a planet.

[hollow sedge]

how do i mine the last step od quantinum

i do get to mine it till its the smallest piece but then it just explodes even with just 1 % mining power

[ivory gust]

a) Go watch a tutorial video
b) You need to switch the mining laser to extraction mode, not mining mode.

[hollow sedge]

oh

wich button do i need to press

to change from mining to extraction mode

[ivory gust]

Ideally, the one that launches your web browser to youtube so you can watch a tutorial video

But probably right click

[worthy scroll]

This is the kind of question easily answered if you take a little time to look through the keybinds.

[hollow sedge]

well i did take a lil time in there but cant find the key for switching mining mode

to extraction mode

[jovial matrix]

It’s right click like Chris said

[hollow sedge]

well i didnt wanted to touch the advanced button but thanks

[worthy scroll]

That's the easiest place to find keybinds. It's all separated there, far easier than trying to sort through that keyboard image they have.

[hollow sedge]

okay

[nova talon]

am i able to put a refining job in an avenger titan to sell it? or do i have to use a cargo ship

[glacial dagger]

So if you have a refinery deal with say, 12SCU of refined goods, into an Avenger Titan that has 8SCU storage, 4SCU would get deleted

If you want to sell a refinery order, you need to put it all into 1 ship

[nova talon]

ok thx.

guess ill buy a cutty black. those fit a prospector load

[glacial dagger]

Indeed

[jovial matrix]

Can always rent one if you don’t wanna buy it

Or rent a freelancer and carry two loads

[nova talon]

ill buy it later anyway. and ive got 1.5 mil so i can afford it

[jovial matrix]

Mk

[spring prism]

Oh and, don't rent anything for 3 days, the price isn't working properly. I forgot what other days didn't work

[glacial dagger]

Or better yet, a connie. Take a couple of trips at the same time 😄

[nova talon]

whats connie short for

[jovial matrix]

Constellation

[spring prism]

Constipation

[nova talon]

which one, andromeda

?

[spring prism]

Andromeda is the only one you can rent

[jovial matrix]

All of them are constellation something

[glacial dagger]

Constalation Andromeda

It's the only one you can rent 😄

[jovial matrix]

Wrong

You can rent a connie Phoenix

[nova talon]

too expensive to buy rn. ill just take multiple trips for now

[spring prism]

Taurus would be better, but it can't be rented

Just so you know, it might take you a while to get out of Crusader's atmosphere if you take the constellation out of there, so I'd recommend going to a station first before claiming the constellation

[jovial matrix]

You can also rent it at places that aren’t orison, but yeah

[spring prism]

I tried renting it from New Babbage, but it wasn't there

[jovial matrix]

You can rent it at every major city according to erkul

Lemme check the wiki

[spring prism]

Weird, the wiki doesn't even list Orison as a rental place. But that's where I was forced to go

[jovial matrix]

Interesting

[nova talon]

damn bro. the cutty black is huge

[jovial matrix]

Wait until you see the Connie lol

Or any other large ship

[nova talon]

haha yea

shame ill never have people to man the guns

whats the co pilot seat for?

[worthy scroll]

Eventual multicrew stuff.

[meager gorge]

The cutty is my starter and to this day I still get impressed by its size Somtimes, and I own a carrack.

[worthy scroll]

Wait until you see a Reclaimer 😄

[ivory gust]

AFAIK you can't do that, it doesn't let you put it into a ship that can't hold everything

[glacial dagger]

...That's what I said?

[ivory gust]

No, you said that it would delete everything extra.

I don't think it lets you do it at all is what I'm saying

[glacial dagger]

putting a 12SCU deal into the 8SCU titan will delete 4SCU of cargo

[ivory gust]

You can stop a job early to throw out some

[glacial dagger]

Oh, it does

It really does let you

[ivory gust]

TIL, that's awful, thanks

[glacial dagger]

So you have to be careful and watch out for it

[ivory gust]

(from https://uexcorp.space/ships)

[spring prism]

Lol at the microtech price

[jovial matrix]

time to go deliver my runs with the rental prospector and see how bad the payout is

[nova talon]

just sold my first runs. hopefully my full quant run will be better when its done

[jovial matrix]

nice

time to remember how to fly my caterpillar

[nova talon]

we all know caterpillars dont have wings

[jovial matrix]

shoulda used my freelancer max instead lmao, thought i would have more to carry

[worthy scroll]

Your fly is open.

[jovial matrix]

lol

142k total, only a little better than i expected

at least it pays for the rentals lmao

[spring prism]

Had this happen because I had to log out in the middle of a box delivery mission to fix mobiglas not functioning and disallowing me to use doors/etc.

[cobalt rivet]

[ivory gust]

Yeah, I hate that it still penalizes you when you get disconnected. Or worse, "failing" player bounty missions because the target logged off

[jovial matrix]

The bounty part is dumb

[spring prism]

Where do I sell waste/scrap by the way? Any station admin/TDD? I have some from maintenance missions.

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[spring prism]

That's a long ways away

Nothing for waste:

[ivory gust]

Wrong page

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Waste

Use the Commodities page to find out who buys stuff

[spring prism]

No, it was because I had location restrictions on from the trade routes. Even though that shouldn't be possible since they're different pages

[ivory gust]

yes, this is why you should use the commodities page, it just shows the list

the "best buyer" page is only useful if you actually put in a number other than 1, since it takes stock into account

[jovial matrix]

Don’t bother selling the waste/scrap, it’s basically worthless

[spring prism]

Yep, I know

[spring prism]

So, how do I sell to the refinement center?

https://sc-trade.tools/shops/Stanton > ARC L1 > ARC-L1 Wide Forest Station > Refinement Center

[ivory gust]

Same console where you sell ore, I guess. You might need raw waste though

[spring prism]

Won't let me select a location:

[ivory gust]

Interesting, I guess that means HDMS-Hadley is the only place to sell it

[spring prism]

Two issue council issues: #bug-hunt-chat message

Just as a note, your rank progress very slowly goes down (slower than reputation) for a company:

This was max a couple days ago: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1031361467129266197/unknown.png

[spring prism]

Conversely, your negative rank progress goes up (faster than it goes down):

[tropic hamlet]

I just starting mining yesterday. I am trying to sell my cargo at the trading district. My ship is not showing under the sell tab. It does show under the buy tab. Does this mean I dont have anything they want?

[spring prism]

Ores (and raw gems) can only be sold at the ore selling terminals at refineries or https://starcitizen.tools/HDMS-Hadley

All of the refinery ore selling terminals are bugged and won't show any of your ships, so you have to go to HDMS-Hadley if you want to sell raw stuff

Don't sell Raw Quantanium, you won't do it fast enough

[fresh needle]

how muchg money can i make out of a full taurus from mining qaunt?

[sacred bramble]

about 1.5 mil

@fresh needle ^

[misty coyote]

This is a bad idea though... 1.5 mil cargo can either go Kaboom....or derped into nothing...

[sacred bramble]

exactly, i only move 3 quant orders at a time

[misty coyote]

The perfect amount imo

Small enough it's not a kick in the pants, but big enough that you get that big payout feel

[viral heath]

time to roc?

[drifting oxide]

can someone tell me which rocks I can break with rented Prospector?

I feel like I cant break any honestly...

[outer mirage]

I got bored of Quantainium mining, where now I can find good areas to mine Laranite, Taranite?

[toxic citrus]

Perhaps daymar or arial

[misty coyote]

I read that Aberdeen had some higher levels of these

[velvet seal]

Hey a super stupid noob question but how exactly are people making good profits hauling cargo? I tried once and it sent me to jumptown. Bought stuff there and then couldn't sell it. Always had to wait for more demand. Ended up taking a couple days and before I managed to sell everything the game bugged out and my cargo was gone

[misty coyote]

This is the life of a cargo hauler...

Put up a load of money and hope it doesn't get flushed

Otherwise buy Laranite, then fill up on Titanium, then sell it at a TDD

Or other city based trade centre

[velvet seal]

Wait so buy Laranite as much as I can, fill the rest with Titanium. And sell everything at a TTD? Also what's TTD, the trading building in cities?

[misty coyote]

Yeah, that sort of thing

There isn't really much more to do here

It's a simple loop, and only worth doing in big ships

[velvet seal]

Big ships like which ones? I have Cutty black and Freelancer MIS

[misty coyote]

In both of those, you'll make maybe....10k ish per run...

In return, you're putting in a fair chunk of your own money.

[velvet seal]

So I shouldn't trust this thing then? xD

[misty coyote]

I was kinda ball parking there...Use these numbers

Either way, the profits are slim

I still do like Hauling though

[velvet seal]

so around 20-25k profit per run, and it can be around 10 minutes per run. I guess it's not far from other activities profit wise

[misty coyote]

Maybe....Just all the risk

[velvet seal]

damn, I really want to make enough money for either wanguard sentinel or something bigger before the wipe. And I wanted to be a space trucker. Thought my freelancer or cutty will be good enough

[misty coyote]

I know...

It's a sad ting

If you wanted to try something else, I'm sure there are people here that will bank roll you

Alot of lovely people around

I was gifted enough to buy a Defender..I'm really liking it

[velvet seal]

I have just about enough money for sentinel so I'll try do some bounty hunting. My Arrow was already struggling with HVTs

[misty coyote]

Sentinels are good ships

[tiny lake]

More like 20 mins... You're doing a return trip with an empty hold sadly

Also, you cant rent a connie for 70k, but you're not gaining much over a freelancer

[woven bone]

Honestly till trading gets reworked it isn’t worth it

Because you can’t ever get a full load of laranite and titanium on your first try

So you can be there for an hour trying to fill your ship up…then when you sell everything your profits are only 20k

It’s a better use of your time to run bunkers and loot everything to sell

[tiny lake]

Yeah. Be nice to see larger reserves of resources, rotating resource pools, and reactive pricing. But I imagine thats a lot of work and it doesnt appear to be an aspect they have on the roadmap according to what I was looking at

Plus direct access to business districts would be nice.

[woven bone]

If the respawn rates were better it could be worth it

[tiny lake]

Yeah, it'd definitely be a money loop then

[woven bone]

Currently it isn’t when everything is shared server wide

[tiny lake]

I was thinking of things to make it more exciting

I'm not real clear if pirates can blow up your ship and get your cargo though. If they cant, it doesn't seem like it integrates well with gameplay

[woven bone]

Honestly if they made some hostile corporations that try and shoot you down

Big profits for a big risk

[tiny lake]

Sure, and dangerous courier missions. I havent had one yet where someones giving me money to take this package somewhere and oh btw pirates want it too

[woven bone]

They have ones where the UEE is investigating the crash site and you need to get the package from the site

[tiny lake]

Ive done one like that three times but never have npcs and cant drop off the packages after. Very frustrating.

Dunno if its the one you're talking about though.

Oh and there's the reclaimer that I cant get to the loot boxes in. They just tease me through holes in the hull. Very frustrating

Shame you cant tractor and carry loot boxes

[woven bone]

Yeah they should change that

[tiny lake]

Make those bunker missons insane money though

[woven bone]

Personally after about an hour I get bored with sc

It’s the same missions and nothing really has been added or changed

It becomes redundant

[tiny lake]

I can believe that. Im still rather new. Amd honestly i was just looking for multiplayer escape velocity so its getting very close to that+ for me

[woven bone]

The most fun I have is when my org gets together to play and we desync into each other

But besides that running bunkers or cs missions…after the first hour I’m like yeah that’s enough sc for the week

[tiny lake]

How long have you been playing?

[woven bone]

Probably a total of a year

A while ago I closed my account because I just couldn’t handle the bugs and everything

Then 2 years passed and I registered again and here I am

[tiny lake]

Hasn't been much change in a year, huh? That's a shame

[tiny lake]

So if you crash in space your cargo is lost, yeah?

Like... your game crashes, not the ship

[jovial matrix]

If you crash to desktop, you should be back in your ship if you log in fast enough

If the server crashes, wait a little bit before logging in again, and your ship + cargo should be stored safely at the last station/city you visited

[misty coyote]

Remember why Jumptown became a thing?

A happy accident based on a small mission that garnered big profits...

It's self made content...

Did you hear the rumour that a Bexalite mine hit a huge Vein at Mining Outpost X??? Selling it at 75% discount!! But only whilst their stocks last.....

This would make locations see more foot traffic....Means more conflicts and legit reasons to get your trucking hat on and hire your buddies as guards

[glacial dagger]

your Devices crashes fromt he game - log back in quick, try and join the same server
Server crashes - take a 10 min break, log back in and load up

[drifting oxide]

Hi Guys,
is mining in a rented prospector worth it?

[tiny lake]

I made my money back but it took me a bit. Depends on how much time you have to play

[north oyster]

The Rental is a great trainer for learning to mine but it will not earn you the coin that you can earn from owning one. Of course that reason is because you can't swap out the OEM laserhead (abhor, I think) for the Lancet (the meta at this time).
If you rent, you have to keep a couple of things in mind-

1. you can crack larger rocks in space than you can on planet surfaces. Just trust me, this is true.
2. you will need to focus on volume and mine everything above Agricium.
3. You will need to learn active angle ping (this is mandatory with mining in space)
4. Avoid Quantainium unless you want to take time to use attachment devices.

[empty sail]

Ok, I have a problem. When using my prosepctor each time I brerak a Quant rock the rock splits, but the pieces bounce around and keep breaking my engines. am I doing soemthing wrong?

[north oyster]

Stay about 40m back away from the crack, you don't need to be that close to it

As soon as it turns "sufficient" and you're in the green, crack from there

[empty sail]

So, once it's sufficient and green I should back up?

I think I was 23m away

[north oyster]

yeah, that's way too close

[empty sail]

I have a basic prospector with the lancet head but nothing else

[north oyster]

Surface or mining in the Halo?

[empty sail]

Surface

[north oyster]

you'll run into a number of limitations because there will be rocks larger than a vanilla setup can crack

Surge and stampede are good to have for surface mining

[empty sail]

any advice? I'm tryining mining for the first time

Where can I get those and how do I use them?

[north oyster]

finder.cstone.space is your friend. Also, more is caught than taught. Red Monster SC, Hawkes and a few other YT sources provide a great overview

[empty sail]

More is caught than taught? What does that mena?

[north oyster]

One hour in the cockpit cracking rocks is worth more than 10 hours of videos

[empty sail]

Yes

Unless you hjave no idea what the fuck you are doing because there's just unnecessarily long videos and not just a guide to read

[north oyster]

Be sure you learn about active angle ping, especially if you want to try mining in Aaron's Halo

[empty sail]

Active Angle Ping?

Oh, changing the angle for the second ping?

[north oyster]

let me get a link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz8TOCUa0Ms

[empty sail]

I don't suppose it's just written somewhere in an article?

Videos are the least efficient method of instruction, just behind lecture...

[rugged axle]

Watch redmonster...his videos are shortish and to the point. And will quickly teach you how to mine effectively

[north oyster]

this one is just 7 minutes long and it is very concise

This super charged my mining in the Halo.

[rugged axle]

I met him in a lobby a couple of weeks ago. Super cool guy

[north oyster]

Also note that when using this technique, you are in mining mode with laser extended.

[spring prism]

You can't transfer raw from mining ships. Their cargo has to be transferred from dedicated transferring terminals like trade terminals/refineries. Their inventory won't show up as showing the mined raw ore even if you manage to fit it inside the taurus/c2/whatever, since it counts as cargo, not stowage. Ejecting the cargo also just deletes it on mining ships currently iirc.

Refined quant is stable (as far as I'm aware anyway), so it won't go kaboom.

[north oyster]

wrong forum, LOL, maybe #flight-combat-racing ?

[jovial matrix]

Oh you’re right my bad

[misty coyote]

Not talking about the Quant going boom

[north oyster]

landing is a dangerous thing now in the 'verse

[empty sail]

how do I jettison cargo?

[misty coyote]

Landing.... Flying... Logging on.

[north oyster]

you can only jettison cargo going critical

[empty sail]

yes, but what's th ekeys, jkust in case?

[spring prism]

Once refinery stations' ore selling terminals start working, you can just impound by not contacting ATC and hovering in front of closed hangar doors. Landing not required.

[north oyster]

I think the default is Left-Alt J

[misty coyote]

Vallet parking...

The fact is.... I'd sooner not go near a full load.... 3 is the right number for many many reasons

[spring prism]

they need to give the autoland a bigger range as well, IE: if your ship is within the hangar shields at minimum, you should be able to trigger auto land. At least I think so.

[misty coyote]

Skill issue.

Can't land... Learn...

[jovial matrix]

Yeah, cause doesn’t it trigger when you’re right above the pad?

[misty coyote]

If the invisible thing blows your up..... Skill issue

[jovial matrix]

Like at that point just finish landing

[spring prism]

You have to be within about 30-45m and hold the N key with landing gear down.

[jovial matrix]

Yeah that’s dumb, just land normally

[misty coyote]

If you're pad rammed....that's right.... Skill issue.... Don't get rammed

If you 30k or client crash, git gud

[spring prism]

On pads, such as the ones on the microtech roofs, require you to be within 10-25m of the pad to autoland for some strange reason. It's a really tiny distance.

[jovial matrix]

You’re basically touching the ground already

In the amount of time it would take me to hold down N and trigger autoland, I could’ve already landed manually

[misty coyote]

I have a thing about landing.... Those odd janky landings fade into memory.... When you full speed in.... Turn to belly.... And land with the grace of a balerina whale....

Landing isn't just a thing you do.....

It's an art....

To land just so..... That's a beautiful thing....

Having AI do it for you is scandal.... Outrageous

Disgusting

[spring prism]

Landing at emergency outposts for box deliveries definitely takes some skill. Especially if your ship has a cargo ramp, which can cause your ship to tilt.

Kinda glad I swapped to the 135c for that.

[jovial matrix]

Just land on top of the outpost, simple. It’s flat up there right?

[spring prism]

Not always, some of them have radar dishes / etc.

[jovial matrix]

Yeah ik

Was a bad joke lol

[spring prism]

And I think the avenger titan is too big to land on them anyway

[jovial matrix]

I remember trying to land my caterpillar at a mining outpost in the mountains

Took forever to find somewhere that I could land and actually exit the caterpillar safely lol

[misty coyote]

That 135c is poking up again... I have room for a tiny ship in my fleet which was to be a C8X....

[tiny lake]

I would love to see tractored landings as an option in space stations and large ports

[spring prism]

I know some of the arccorp moons have only small pads, so oof.

[jovial matrix]

It didn’t have pads

[spring prism]

[jovial matrix]

It was like the emergency outposts

[misty coyote]

I'd hate this so much!...

[jovial matrix]

I just had to find a part of the mountain that was semi flat lol

Didn’t help that it was night time

[spring prism]

Autoland works for docking btw

iirc, you have to make sure everything's green though

[tiny lake]

Skill issue

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

It’s more useful for docking a merlin for example, but your still pretty much docked already

[misty coyote]

This reply is a skill issue....

[tiny lake]

You're right, that reply is a skill issue

😆

[misty coyote]

Stop jabbering and land your ship yourself... Lazy boy

I did such a good landing a few days ago....

No witnesses!

[tiny lake]

Why? It's the future. Tow me in, port grunt

[misty coyote]

Gutted..

..

Hold on....

Is there a job here for me?

[tiny lake]

!thingstodo

[wary tusk]

Things To Do In Star Citizen

Click the link above for a quick guide on the options available for you to take to the skies for the first time.

[tiny lake]

Plenty

[misty coyote]

Am I going to be a ship Valet!

[spring prism]

I'll be glad when this comes out. It's the ship retrieval button in the new mobiglas.

[misty coyote]

I'll park it for you wholesale

[jovial matrix]

Be a ship valet, and then just steal peoples ships when they aren’t looking

[jovial matrix]

What would it do?

[spring prism]

Calls your ship to you, like cyberpunk

[jovial matrix]

Weird ok

[spring prism]

It's for people like me who accidentally go 2+k meters from my cutlass black with my ROC

[jovial matrix]

Lol

I’d like to imagine your ship takes the path of least resistance to get to you

So it would just fly into a rock on its way to you

Or quantum through a planet

[spring prism]

if you're on the other side of the planet, it'll like Quantum drive to you, by going around.

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

I just think it’s funny to assume it’ll be stupid and fly through obstacles to get to you

[spring prism]

The biggest thing I'm worried about though, is this.

[jovial matrix]

Ooo radiation

[spring prism]

||It's been noted in leaks that the new data files have seen asteroids with radiation values added.||

[jovial matrix]

Interesting

[glacial dagger]

Gonna be mining that sweet sweet uranium 😄

[jovial matrix]

Maybe radioactive ore you can mine?

[spring prism]

Maybe

[jovial matrix]

Like quant, but it slowly kills you instead of exploding

[spring prism]

I mean, it'd still explode if you nudge it hard enough with other radiating stuff, just won't explode just by being around.

[jovial matrix]

True

[tiny lake]

Nice. Giant asteroid fields slowly cooking you from the inside

[spring prism]

[jovial matrix]

Mmm yes

[spring prism]

It may also just be from them adding the broken ship parts all over the asteroids though.

Since we know there will be broken ships littering the halo for PvE Salvage in 3.18

[jovial matrix]

Can’t wait to find those

[spring prism]

Can't wait for PES period, to fix ghost rocks >_>

[jovial matrix]

I wanna EVA around and do some hand salvaging

[spring prism]

Can actually go to the halo for mining

It'd definitely be a good idea to fill some Multi-tool canisters with RMC for hull repair if you get damaged somehow

[jovial matrix]

I wonder if there will be an intermediary salvage vehicle, like the ROC but for salvage

[spring prism]

Harvester from Vanduul does that, but iirc, it's still in production.

[jovial matrix]

Ah ok

Interesting that it’s a vanduul vehicle

[spring prism]

It's meant to be dropped by a Harvester Deployer ship, and it's used to gather materials from raided outposts.

[jovial matrix]

Sounds cool

[spring prism]

https://starcitizen.tools/Harvester

And here's the "Carrier" https://starcitizen.tools/Harvester_Carrier

[glacial dagger]

S H R I M P

[spring prism]

The harvester is too big to be spawned by pads though, unless they add large ground pads.

Note the vanduul guys down there

It's basically a ground version of the reclaimer

[glacial dagger]

Ground vehicle the size of a connie 😄

[jovial matrix]

Lmao

Carry it around with an SRV

[spring prism]

That'd work I'm sure

The SRV is shown tugging a cutlass, so who knows.

[tiny lake]

Pes?

[ivory gust]

Inb4 PES doesn't fix ghost rocks

[ivory gust]

Bad videos are inefficient, yes, but good videos are a lot better than something being written down because it can demonstrate the technique as it's described. Picture worth a thousand words and so on

[empty sail]

Yeah, a written out guide with pictures is best

I can just look at the specific information I need

[spring prism]

Well, basically, if someone finds a rock and doesn't mine it, that rock stays, forever (even when the chunk is unloaded), until the server restarts or someone mines it. That's how PES will work

No more ghost rocks

[empty sail]

Without 5 minute sof "LOL GUYS LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE" or 20 minutes of verbal masturbation before 2 minutes of useful data

[ivory gust]

Can do that with good video guides too since they have chapters

Also there aren't any sites where you can earn money from people reading your content like YouTube does for views, so... Yeah

[spring prism]

Neoseeker and GameFAQs were definitely the golden age of community-made guides

Making ASCII Text diagrams of maps, etc. Or including an, impressively detailed, MS Paint-styled diagram of a map.

I wouldn't be surprised about people doing that for SQ42 when it comes out, as well as the Persistent Universe when it gets out of beta.

[empty sail]

Yes. That.

I used to be a provider on Gamefaqs

[spring prism]

Mining guides right now are pretty bare bones because there's not much to say really, since there aren't too many systems in place, or enough variations of the system to worry about.

I have a feeling ships like the RSI Orion/etc. won't come out until they add relay/engineering gameplay, to stop people just absolutely dominating the mining, and requiring multi-crew.

Right now, even the reclaimer is pushing it for salvage, because you technically can solo it, similar to the mole. You just have to move around a lot.

[fresh needle]

how much money can you make out of roc mining?

[glacial dagger]

Depends on 3 factors; How much time can you put in, How much effort you can put in, and worst of all, RNG

[fresh needle]

just wondering in a single run

[glacial dagger]

Sometimes you can get really lucky and find a nice 7 clump of hadanite in 5 mins, sometimes you can find a single hadanite in like 40 mins