industrial-professions

[jovial matrix]

yes

[fringe narwhal]

good to know

[ivory gust]

The little snub that comes with the Constellation also has like 5k scan range for some reason

so a good ship to scout in

[cunning agate]

Simple question here: What's the fix for not being able to move your ROC mining arm about?

[ivory gust]

Using gadgets takes longer than not using gadgets, so gadgets aren't worth it.

[cunning agate]

MSR is a great ROC mining platform.

[ivory gust]

Too many doors, too large

[cunning agate]

Instant discreditation. MSR has only one door.

[fringe narwhal]

i really like my nomad, it's small, nimble and so used to it by now

[ivory gust]

...I don't know what version of MSR you have, but every MSR I've flown requires you to walk through several doors, each of which takes several seconds to notice you're there, to get to the cockpit

[cunning agate]

Oh. That. Pshaw. Whatevs.

[fiery cosmos]

Aren't worth it to who? To you?? My statement referred to someone stating people would say gadgets weren't "viable". That is incorrect.

[ivory gust]

To someone who wants to get things done efficiently and easily.

[fiery cosmos]

Plz go on

[fringe narwhal]

well thanx for all the good info people, i'm off to try the halo asteroids for first time

[ivory gust]

Leaving your ship to go play an awful minigame and then potentially lose the thing anyway is far less efficient than just using a Lancet with surge/stampede and doing it from the comfort of your seat

[cunning agate]

There's no way that CIG would create an inefficient minigame.

(Says the guy whose three ROC mining excursions today ended in 30K crash or other mishap)

[fiery cosmos]

Getting out and placing 1 gadget on the rock takes 2min max. In my experience only certain gadgets get destroyed and only if I use more than 1.

[ivory gust]

The idea of gadgets is nice, and I hope in the future there are rocks that you need to use them in order to crack--but in the current version they're not worth it

[ivory gust]

That's 2min more than it takes to crack the rock without using the gadget.

If you're particularly enjoying the gameplay of gadgets for some reason, sure, go for it--but I don't think it should be recommended to newer players as an efficient way of doing things

[fiery cosmos]

I disagree. It's a "viable" alternative to trying to time 2 surges to get them in the optimal zone and then use a Stampede. Sometimes you miss and have to do it multiple times. And there will never be a situation where you don't have to buy more Active Modules. Never. Using gadgets is a viable alternative for newer miners that still want to have the capability to mine large mass rocks.

[ivory gust]

Just 3d print a ruler that's exactly 40% of the power meter long and hold it up to your screen, easy 🤷

[fiery cosmos]

I don't understand why you're being so flippant and dismissive of it. All I stated is that it is a viable alternative. I'm not sure why you have so much disdain for Gadgets.

[ivory gust]

If people like gadget usage, that's fine...but I don't think it's a good suggestion for newer players since it adds significant complexity.

[fiery cosmos]

Weren't you worried about 2min placing a gadget?

[fiery cosmos]

It adds far less complexity imo

[ivory gust]

2min placing a gadget every time you go out mining (or on every single chunk, if you're using something other than a Lancet and don't have a Brandt) is a lot more than the time to make a ruler once

[fiery cosmos]

Mining with Surge/Stampede is something that takes time to master. Far more difficult for new players imo.

[ivory gust]

Gadgets also don't have anything that matches what the Surge does, so you still can't get the really big rocks (7.5k+) with them without surge anyway

Unless you're really piling on several of them, at which point, have fun losing 200k in gadgets to get 270k of quant

[fiery cosmos]

You are wrong.

[ivory gust]

Post video please

[fiery cosmos]

Meet me in chat and i'll stream it for you

7.6k rock. 1 gadget.

And I retrieved it

[ivory gust]

Currently in a meeting that was supposed to have ended 10min ago, when that ends I will

[fiery cosmos]

22.87%

[ivory gust]

I stand corrected and will need to do additional testing

[fathom delta]

could anyone help me get started

[fringe narwhal]

hi again, when in asteroid field, my laser often will not work it seems on specific roids then will work on some others

why is that?

i can turn it on but it does not see the rock i shoot it at and also does not scan it

[jovial matrix]

Only some asteroids are mineable

[ivory gust]

Be in mining mode
Use ping (tab) to find where potentially mineable rocks are
Reduce angle of ping using , and . keys to 2 degrees, point right at one of the results from the previous scan, ping again
If details show up on the right, it's mineable, if not, it isn't

[fringe narwhal]

ok, i do know how to mine 🙂

im talking about my mining laser not functionning once i get close enough to mine it, again just found a group of 7 minable rocks but i can't mine them, the laser turns on but does nothing

hm now tork imbalance and i've not hit anything

[ivory gust]

What type of asteroid are they, according to the information panel on the right

This area here that I've put in the red box, what does it say

[fringe narwhal]

ok i guess nobody understands what I'm saying, the laser will not interact with some of the minable rocks, i could not give you the info on the rock that shows in your red box as the rocks do not return any info

gimme sec will make a screen

[ivory gust]

If the rocks do not return any info, then they are not mineable rocks, they are unscannable. You should not have gone to that cluster.

[fringe narwhal]

but they show icons of minable rocks

[ivory gust]

Yes, that's what everyone means when they talk about unscannables in the asteroid belt

[fringe narwhal]

is that a bug?

[ivory gust]

Yes

[fringe narwhal]

ok thanx hehe

i'm getting lots of those

[ivory gust]

But if you're scanning as I described, you can see what's unscannable from a distance of up to 12km

[fringe narwhal]

k let me try that

[ivory gust]

you can see what type the asteroid is. quantanium is in q-types

[atomic horizon]

this guy got the white diamonds appearing for him without having to scan and they appeared about 4000m away, how do i get my prospector to do this?

[ivory gust]

Is that from a video?

[atomic horizon]

yea

[ivory gust]

Link?

[atomic horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jtoYAfppY0

[ivory gust]

I don't think it works like that anymore, that video is old. Find a newer one

[fringe narwhal]

is there somewhere with infor of roid type and what they contain?

nvm will look it up

[marble crater]

Red Monster SC does up to date mining guides if interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLOx_bfg_eM&t=125s

[ivory gust]

Q-type: Quantanium
Everything else: Irrelevant, not quantanium

[fringe narwhal]

@ivory gust yeah but if i'm out long and dont get any quant, i will grab some bexa as to not return empty, would be nice to know the type of orids that contins it

[ivory gust]

If I need to stop and haven't found Quant, I just bedlog and come back next time

[fringe narwhal]

i was told not to bedlog as its buggy and may even end up you having do a char reset

ok it is p type that contains bexa

had to logout, now scanner not returning anything at all

crap just realized i had left it at 2 degrees hehe

not used to using narrow search with scanner

[ivory gust]

Yep, takes some getting used to but it's the best way to do things currently

[fringe narwhal]

yeah i like it, i found 2 bexa roids right away, full load of pure bexa,so now i can go home and logoff 🙂

[fringe narwhal]

when i refine stuff that i mined, when batch is ready i dump it in my freelancer max, is there some way to know how much space is left in it while it's in storage?

[ivory gust]

When you select it as the destination in the refinery screen, it tells you (space for this load)/(total remaining space)

[fringe narwhal]

oh cool, didnt notice thanx

i like mining at halo, very mellow

[hollow sedge]

I'm sick of Lyria, where else should I mine

[rugged axle]

1 post above yours

[digital ermine]

Anyone know areas on lyria that have more quant than others? I have a hard time finding quant on lyria. It’s making me regret upgrading from my prospector in the hopes of finding and mining bigger rocks

[sonic laurel]

in the piedmont regions within 2km of mountains and ridges

[novel harness]

2+ rocks together = 100% chance to be quant

[digital ermine]

Yea I know but I rarely find clumps of two

And when I do, both the rocks are Garbo

[novel harness]

It takes time to find payday rocks

Video guides are usually super lucky/ alot of searching cut out of vid/scripted

Best i found with mole was 8000 mass 49% qt

That rock is money

[digital ermine]

Damnn

Okay maybe I need to have more patience

[cunning agate]

It used to be that I could be ROC mining and hit F4 and my mining laser would continue to be pointing at whatever it was pointing at. Now when I hit F4 it seems to revert to straight ahead.

Any cure to this?

[finite atlas]

i have 27 scu of quantanium how much will that sell for

[misty coyote]

https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer?q=%257B%2522itemName%2522:%2522Quantainium%2522,%2522itemQuantity%2522:2700,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%255D,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%255D%257D

[junior edge]

hey guys i was watching mining guides and they talking about signal strength to see if its a cluster and a signal strength of 4500 when i do it i dont see anything singal strength

[ivory gust]

Can you link to the guides? If it's too old it might not apply

Sounds like they might be referring to distance, not signal strength

[twin solstice]

what is the best location to mine and sell?

[fiery cosmos]

Anything you mine is best to refine and then sell. Refineries are located at ARC-L1, CRU-L1, HUR-L1, HUR-L2 and MIC-L1. Quantanium has the highest sales value. The highest concentration of Quant is on planet at Lyria or in the Aaron Halo asteroid belt.

[twin solstice]

Thanks! Do you also know where i can sell it?

[topaz coyote]

major city hubs like A18 and Loreville.. go to TDD and sell after you park/store your ship

[fiery cosmos]

TDDs

[twin solstice]

THANKSS

[fiery cosmos]

I suggest watching some current mining tutorials on YT

[fringe narwhal]

what would be the biggest quant rocks that i can mine without any mods added to the Helix head?

[twin solstice]

What is a good Quantanium percentage? Cause my rocks keep getting 4%

[cobalt rivet]

20 is acceptable but you want a combined total of 30 or higger

[twin solstice]

is this good?

[cobalt rivet]

Not really but if youre getting shitty luck, beggars cant be choosers

But also depends on the rock mass

15% of 8 k mass is good

Of youre doing everything right but finding shit, bed log and join a fresh server, pick EU or AU as it is later for them and likely has fresh supply

[fiery cosmos]

I wouldn't suggest using the Helix laser without mods and gadgets for Quant. Just us the Lancet and look for rocks that are sub 5k.

[fringe narwhal]

@fiery cosmos why?

Not a good morning, not finding anything... not even bexa which i go after if ifind nothing else,

I keep finding groups of 7 or 8 Q types but all of them are around 5k mass with only 2% Quant in them 😦

[fiery cosmos]

Because your Instability will be 45% higher and your Optimal Charge window will be 25% smaller with the Helix. The only reason to run a Helix or an Impact is for the added power (making it capable of breaking 5k+ mass rocks) but there are negatives that need to be offset with Modules and Gadgets to make it usable for Quantanium (which is already has high instability)

[fringe narwhal]

except i almost never see rocks smaller than 5k

i had 2 x focus III on it but lost them when ship got destroyed

[fiery cosmos]

If you mine in the Aaron Halo, every rock you find will be 5k max

[fringe narwhal]

nope i found bigger ones

i just went to a 6k rock p type, which often contains bexa

it had some but some stupid low % like everything else i find today

[fiery cosmos]

Things in the Halo must've changes then. I haven't mined there in a while.

[fringe narwhal]

but yes most rocks i find are between 4.5k and 5.3k

best rock i found in 2 hours is one with 7% quant

think i may go back to planet mining, this is becoming boring

off planet mining instead, at the very least if i find nothing, i do some fun piloting around the oddest part of the geography 🙂

[neat crane]

is sc-trade-tools no good for trading? prices don't seem to match

[north oyster]

the prices are the static prices, no one can get the dynamic prices at the moment

it is good for reference as well as volume of purchase and also volume of buyback

When you hear someone say "buy laranite" they don't realize that it isn't available in volume any longer

[neat crane]

okay, so how do I find trade routes?

also is it true that you can only sell 10scu of medical supplies at admin offices?

[north oyster]

I would recommend checking out an older video from Jack Axton called the Trade primer (about 6mths old) still valid.

[north oyster]

things like contraband and med supplies will leave you hanging. You can buy a lot but you can't sell it off

[neat crane]

this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NxTYWawbvM

[north oyster]

What size ship do you have?

Yes, that's it

[neat crane]

ok, because sc-trade-tools suggested I buy 400k worth of medical supplies and sell it at an admin office..

[neat crane]

c2, 696scu of cargo space

[north oyster]

OK for a C2

I would suggest trying Scrap from TDD in ARea18 to ARC-L1

[cobalt rivet]

Did someone say c2?

Its a good hauler

[north oyster]

Then go to Lyria to humbolt or loveridge and get gold and diamonds to sell at TDD

Also on Ida there astitine that if you can get a full load will gross about 100K

On Arial you can pick up a little laranite and back fill with Titanium for a full haul to the CBD on Lorville

[neat crane]

okay..

I was told buying laranite from Arial and selling it at TDD would be good also

[north oyster]

The scrap run will get you about 28K for a few minutes of travel

Finding Laranite will be your challenge

[neat crane]

there should be laranite on both outposts

man this is a little more complex than I expected it to be

[north oyster]

it's worth the effort, you can make decent coin with a C2 and hauling

but there is a learning curve

it's a little more than "show up at point A, buy crap, fly to point B, sell crap"

[neat crane]

lol

[north oyster]

Gold, titanium, diamonds, astitaine are good commodities

[neat crane]

alright

[north oyster]

I normally mine and just transport Quantainium, but for a change up I take my C2 on a couple of circuits

Trade is going to go through a MASSIVE Change over the next year. It won't even remotely resemble what it is today

[cunning agate]

Good.

[north oyster]

Guilds, reputation, missions, small hauls, big hauls (Hull C scale) will be happening

[neat crane]

in 3.18?

[north oyster]

The idea of being the owner of the cargo you carry will also change. Contract work will begin also. No, beyond 4.0

[neat crane]

Ahh okay

[north oyster]

3.18 will lay the foundation for this to happen with PES and the cargo refactor

[neat crane]

where do you buy quantanium?

[north oyster]

You can't it can only be mined

[neat crane]

there's no q in uexcorp

hm?

[north oyster]

You mine it in the Prospector or MOLE mining ships

[neat crane]

Ohhh. I tought youi bought it

[north oyster]

One trip in the Prospector, if done right and you're "lucky" will get you about 275K aUEC pay off

[neat crane]

Yup, done mining before :)

[north oyster]

I look at the Prospector as the Goose that lays the golden eggs She let's me buy whatever I want in the game

[cunning agate]

This is a sound approach.

[neat crane]

does TDD's buy unlimited supply of goods?

[north oyster]

they do buy in much larger volume (check SC Trade Tools) but at the same time the pricing will change as you sell items off.

When Quanta is fully enacted, the supply and demand will be constantly changing

Aspects of quanta are in game, but very limited

[ivory gust]

Q-type will not be larger than 5.2k in the Halo, which can be mined with a Lancet without mods

The reason you weren't finding anything is because you weren't looking only at q-types.... For Halo mining, you must use active ping angle tuning to filter out unscannables and anything other than q-types from a distance so you're not wasting your time

[ivory gust]

Make sure you turn on "show stock details", and then compare how much it's asking you to haul vs what the supply/demand is

You can also filter out commodities so they don't show up in the list

[neat crane]

Is it possible to check prices remotely or do you have to use the TDD console?

also, pretty big estimated profit between uexcorp and SC-trade-tools…

[ivory gust]

There's the occasional journal entry "commodity price updates" but I don't know how reliable those are, and they only list some things. There's no other way to check prices remotely

[neat crane]

Ah okay.

[spring prism]

Where do I drop off mined items in Klescher?

Thanks for the ghost ping, whoever?

These terminals are where you drop them off:

[worthy scroll]

It's been a long time since I was in jail, but those used to bug out often. I don't know if they still do or not. Doing the mission in there was the preferred way to knock time off due to that.

[jovial matrix]

Recently did mining in Klesher, and the terminals worked once out of the two times I used them

[outer ginkgo]

Every time I go to jail I don’t spawn with a multi tool

[misty coyote]

Check your backpack

[jovial matrix]

Relogging might fix it

[spring prism]

Now I just wish I could SEE where to land near these rocks.

[jovial matrix]

Hit L

[spring prism]

It is on

[jovial matrix]

Why is it so dark then?

[spring prism]

This is pointing down:

[jovial matrix]

Oh you just weren’t close to the ground

[spring prism]

No, I am, I am literally 20m or so off the ground

[jovial matrix]

Wacky

Should be a lot more illuminated if you’re that close to the ground

[spring prism]

And this is on the ground, was more like 50m off the ground but still.

Barely illuminated still...

[jovial matrix]

Yeah that’s weird

Are you on Aberdeen?

[spring prism]

Yes

[jovial matrix]

Maybe it’s just the atmo/thick ass clouds messing with your lights

Idk

[spring prism]

Guess I'll go to the day side then

I wish the altimeter didn't bug out like this:

I swear, I scanned, and all of the rocks within 3000 were shale, I can't mine these with the ROC

all over 7.7k

Fuck off game

I'm not even joking

My cutlass black is like 400m away

Yes, these scanned and pinged within 3000m

Guess I'm not making back that 83k for this rental anytime soon

[jovial matrix]

83K 💀

[spring prism]

Cutlass pinged this obsidian deposit as a gem btw:

Also can't mine it, obviously

So what do I do?

I literally can't find gems.

Finally found some miles away from my cutlass. I don't even remember where my cutlass is

[jovial matrix]

Next time don’t drive is far away from it. If you can’t mine a deposit, get back in and keep flying instead of driving

[spring prism]

Why did the cutlass ping a gem even though it was obsidian?

Why?

I found the cutlass again. It has an outline now

Had one of the hadanites blow up

So this is all I got from that cluster, and now it's dark despite being midday when I started.

[sonic laurel]

great job

[spring prism]

Time to go to the other side of the planet because I can't take this dark, and waste so much hydrogen

[cunning agate]

Been a nice couple of runs ROC mining.

[ivory gust]

What makes you think it was pinged as a gem?

You can see what stuff is from the cutlass cockpit before you get the ROC out

[ivory gust]

Head to OM-1 and go straight down, always daylight

• Ping while travelling
• If something shows up within 3k that didn't show up farther away than 3k, approach it
• See whether it's rocks or gems
• If gems, get really close and either use scan mode (V, then hold left mouse button) or visual to confirm it's hadanite

I also prefer Arial to Aberdeen--better visibility and almost as common to find hadanite

Also why the hell does Aberdeen have trees when it's 200 degrees C

[spring prism]

• If gems, get really close and either use scan mode (V, then hold left mouse button) or visual to confirm it's hadanite

In the cutlass? Holding V does nothing, and holding left mouse while using V just fires weapons

[jovial matrix]

That’s still a good cluster

[spring prism]

This pinged within 3000, and couldn't tell if it was gems until within 800m

Nothing else, at all, pinged within 3000

Just these two rocks past 5000:

[jovial matrix]

Also this ☝️

[spring prism]

Yep, been doing that

Guess I'm just really unlucky

Welp, this one won't crack:

Charge Level never goes up

No matter how close I get

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Same with this one

[jovial matrix]

Turn the ROC on and off again

[spring prism]

And this one

[jovial matrix]

Sometimes that happens to me in extraction mode where the beam doesn’t work, turning it on and off again fixed it

[spring prism]

Nope, still nothing

Guess I have to abandon all these gems and change servers. Oh well

And for proof, turned off:

[jovial matrix]

I believe you, sucks it didn’t work

[spring prism]

And still nothing:

Welp, time to transfer these over manually to the cutlass:

Then figure out a place to sell them

[ivory gust]

No.

Press V to switch to scan mode. Then look straight at something and hold left mouse button to scan it.

[jovial matrix]

Just sell the gems straight from the ROC

[cunning agate]

If you're still looking for tips @spring prism , I found this useful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FWyGUQETJM&feature=youtu.be

TL;DW:

1. Set your scan angle to 179 degrees
2. Go as fast as possible while pinging (this eliminates hand minable returns, which you do NOT want).
3. Check out returns that are less than 3000 Meters.
4. Aberdeen, Arial, and Daymar are still the moons to go to for ROC mining. Avoid Magda--Hadanite can be found, but not plentiful.
5. If the ROC bugs out, try putting one rock into it (you can try taking one out if you don't have any on the ground). This sometimes reboots the ROC.

[spring prism]

2. Go as fast as possible while pinging (this eliminates hand minable returns, which you do NOT want).

I wish I wasn't so scared about crashing

So that's not happening

[ivory gust]

That's really odd, I've never seen that issue before. I've seen "unscannable" gems but not that

[ivory gust]

Don't need to do "as fast as possible" , 200-300m/s is fine, and just ignore anything that only shows up within 1k

[cunning agate]

Well, there's another way to discriminate out hand minables. The ROC minables should resolve out to recognizable gem icons at 500-400 meters. Hand minables will not resolve out until much closer. If you approach slowly, you should be able to tell the difference.

[ivory gust]

Or just don't bother with ping returns that only appear within 1km

[cunning agate]

Had a weird case that proves the exception to the rule. I had JUST finished a seven rock Handanite node, and lifted and got an immediate result. I was like "This has got to be hand minables."

But nope: Nine rock Hadanite node. Glad I looked closer.

[spring prism]

I already knew about the 179 trick from mining quant, so I don't need to be retold that. I just don't like going in straight lines, because then I end up going into the dark side of the planetoid/etc. and I literally can't see anything. I don't plan to turn my brightness up because there's literally no need to

[ivory gust]

Not really an exception--when you're starting out from stationary you need to inspect everything since you don't know if the ping return would've appeared outside of 1km or not

[cunning agate]

And yeah 200-300M is plenty fast. "As fast as possible" implies faster when in fact most ships can't really sustain faster at that altitude.

[ivory gust]

I also like to ping from the ROC before putting it away, it detects gems from farther away than the ship does

[cunning agate]

That's hilarious.

[ivory gust]

so if you ping in the ROC and see something at 4-5km that doesn't appear when you ping from the ship (assuming you're using something like a cutlass with 3km gem range), it's gems

[cunning agate]

It's been a 500K day with the MSR and ROC. Very profitable. Relearned how to be careful about driving the ROC.

[ivory gust]

the ROC really didn't need to get faster imo

[cunning agate]

No, it goes too fast too quickly with my HOSAS. Plus, it seems to get out of control. I need to dig around and see whether there's a way to make it where the throttle can be rel instead of abs.

[spring prism]

I don't think I'm even going to get 50k today

Also, the gems now mine, for some strange reason, after taking out the 19.01 Hadanite

[cunning agate]

You sir are doing some weird shit. LOL

[sonic laurel]

is it alright to post a job in here for delivery? Seems like it would be a good place and I don't see a dedicated channel.

[jovial matrix]

What’s weird about it?

[ivory gust]

What kind of "job"? Delivery for other players isn't really a thing right now...

[sonic laurel]

requesting someone to shop gear and deliver it to me at a station for pay

[ivory gust]

#1019852856460853258

Or ask in game

[cunning agate]

He was way away from his mothercraft, then was mining an obsidian rock, which if I have it correctly he has managed to get.

[sonic laurel]

I thought that was just selling stuff

[jovial matrix]

Ah

Nvm then

[cunning agate]

I mean, I don't like being more than 200M away from the mothership. I have been known to mine from the ramp.

[ivory gust]

#looking-for-session , then

[sonic laurel]

also seems out of place

[sonic laurel]

each server is such a narrow slice. having that in discord seems way better

[ivory gust]

Not really, you are looking to group with someone to bring you stuff. They'll need to join your server to deliver anyway

[sonic laurel]

I suppose

[cunning agate]

This is about the right setup, distance wise. That way if one of the ROCs takes a shit at least it's a short walk to transfer them by backpack.

[spring prism]

About 23 cSCU of Hadanite this time

[cunning agate]

Everyone's gotta start somewhere. That's still a good $60K.

[spring prism]

Each one of these hadanites is 200 or so?

[cunning agate]

253 IIRC

275

[spring prism]

275 according to SC Trade tools, yeah

[cunning agate]

It stacks up quick.

[spring prism]

I have a little more than 110,000 in Hadanite in my Cutlass Black. (100 per storage page.)

[ivory gust]

there you go, rental has paid for itself

[cunning agate]

Given how hard fought that 110K is, I'd say go sell and don't press your luck.

[spring prism]

lol, ok

All I gotta do is get to the nearest mining station >_>

[cunning agate]

Yeah. I mean obvs you can go back out, but I'd hate to see you lose that cargo. I very rarely ever finish up with a full ROC. Usually I head back when I get over 60 cSCU.

[spring prism]

That was only 42 or so cSCU, but yeah, I want the money back for the rental at least

Because now I know only to get a day rental >_>

Since 3-days are bugged

[cunning agate]

I say just work up the cash and buy one as soon as you can.

I mean, it will get wiped here in a little while anyway...but next time, too...

[spring prism]

Well I'll be trying salvage like everyone else so

[ivory gust]

The only real advantage to buying a ROC over renting is that you can keep it stored in the ship and don't have to retrieve it every day...other than that, you'd need to rent for 43 individual days before buying becomes cheaper than renting

[spring prism]

Also, my headlamp is off btw:

[ivory gust]

Yep, that's the ceiling light

anti-reflective coating not invented yet in 2952

[cunning agate]

The real advantage is that you'll never get to your ground station and realize you hadn't renewed your rental. Plus, you don't have to take the time to rent.

[cunning agate]

All monitors are supergloss coating.

[spring prism]

Could always pledge for the ROC

[cunning agate]

GTFO

ROC-DS pledge or bust. LOL

[ivory gust]

Not worth the pledge for either one, but ROC-DS does have some advantages over the normal one

[cunning agate]

Ground vehicles are particularly cost ineffective value for money. Not that rationality really enters into this whole thing.

[spring prism]

Why would I do that? I have to get out every time I want to mine

[cunning agate]

Well, my true opinion is that a ROC is ludricrously easy to buy with in game money, so why pledge real dollars. So if you're going to pledge for a ROC might as well go full ham and pledge for a ROC-DS.

I was kidding.

[ivory gust]

Because ROC-DS has more storage, longer range on the laser, and more power on the laser

so a few seconds to switch seats is worth it for any cluster of more than 3-4 rocks

[cunning agate]

Yeah twice as long range. But maneuvering it around is a stone bitch from what I have heard.

[spring prism]

Can it fit into the cutlass black anyway? The ROC barely does

[cunning agate]

More storage, so you can risk more Hadanite to 30K or contact.

[ivory gust]

No, I've heard it can fit in a nomad though

[cunning agate]

This is what happened when I tried the ROC in the Nomad.

She stuck.

[ivory gust]

...why did you park it sideways

[cunning agate]

Hahahahah it didn't start out that way.

[ivory gust]

just back it in

[cunning agate]

"Just" back it in.

[ivory gust]

Yep.

[cunning agate]

This is how it started out.

I mean, it can work.

[spring prism]

This video shows it can't fit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsgsDtD0UJw

Skip to 0:25

[cunning agate]

DS is too large. Regular ROC is right on for space.

[ivory gust]

Hmmm, now I'll have to go try it myself

[spring prism]

Also note, you'd have to put it in forward to get access to the cargo bay of the ROC

Since there's only a window to the Nomad in the cargo area

[cunning agate]

I predict a long and frustrating time culminating in an explosion.

[ivory gust]

normal ROC has enough room to park far enough out that you can reach the back

In any case, I don't know why we're discussing this at all, everyone knows the Retaliator is the best ROC carrier

[spring prism]

Also, after pressing V what do I do? Left click does nothing after changing scan modes

[ivory gust]

V to enter scan mode. Point the reticle (little square dot) right at the thing you want to scan. Hold left mouse button

It'll take ~5seconds and you need to keep the reticle on it the whole time

[spring prism]

So these are rocks, not gems:

[ivory gust]

Yes

[spring prism]

mmk

Was one of the things within 3000

[cunning agate]

Yeah. They can show up less than 3000M out.

[ivory gust]

It is not the case that "everything within 3000 will be gems"
It is the case that "things which only appear within 3000 and do not appear past 3000 will be gems"

which is why you need to continuously ping as you move, and note the positions of things that appear past 3km so you can ignore them

[cunning agate]

It's not set in stone at 3000M either. With an MSR, I've gone and investigated things that popped up at 4000M (if in my line of travel) and some of them have been gems.

[spring prism]

Won't let me scan via left click despite being in view of it

[ivory gust]

Different ships have different scan ranges for gems

[ivory gust]

You need to see the object itself, not the ping result

[jovial matrix]

You gotta get a lot closer

[cunning agate]

Yeah, but I am a filthy MSR user so for most people...their kilometerage varies.

[spring prism]

Yep, and I can see the object. It's a big rock. But my ship can't

[ivory gust]

Detailed scan range for scan mode is only like 300m

[cunning agate]

By the time you get that close, you're close enough to look at it visually and see whether it's green or purple or pink.

[spring prism]

These ones could be scanned from 1300: #industrial-professions message

[ivory gust]

MSR is actually ~5km. My favorite is the snub fighters merlin/archimedes that come with the Constellation that also have about 5km

[ivory gust]

That wasn't the detailed scan doing its thing, that's just the range that they switch icons normally

[cunning agate]

This makes a crewed Constellation a legit ROC mining platform if you have a crew of friends.

[ivory gust]

Yep, big downside being that you can't undock or redock the snub while the constellation is landed

[cunning agate]

Scouting is a good way to up the throughput for sure.

Sometimes it's just for fun ops.

[ivory gust]

The purpose of scan mode is to determine what type of gems you're looking at once you've found that it's gems. You'll need to be within ~50m for it to work reliably

Carrack also has a longer scan range

[spring prism]

No, the blue progress meter on the right and the BLUE Scanning Progress Text at the top showed up when I press and held left click at 1300 away

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory gust]

Ah, okay, but you can't get all the details (composition of rock) until 300m. The rocks switching to the rock icon instead of gem icon has nothing to do with scan mode, that's just the range they switch normally

You're right though, you can use scan mode a little bit from longer ranges--can be used in the Mole to identify unscannables (but not determine type of rock)

[spring prism]

This hasn't happend at all today yet thanks to my pembroke armor, why now?

And temps were at 227 before, no survival estimate

What the heck game

And yes, that's 197, it isn't going up/down

Pembroke should cover that

[ivory gust]

go inside the ship and take your helmet off

[spring prism]

Okay that was weird, taking it off then putting it back on fixed it.

[ivory gust]

helmet seal broke

ROC-DS totally fits in the nomad

(not shown: the several minutes of wiggling it took to get it to sit flat)

No weirdness with bay retracted, let's see if it stays when I fly

lol, client crashed when I took off

[jovial matrix]

F

[cunning agate]

Hahhahah what bad could come of that?!

[ivory gust]

It really should fit just fine--it looks like the ROC-DS's wheels have too wide of a collision mesh or the Nomad's bay is too narrow

it gets stuck on something invisible

[cunning agate]

Aside from the client sucking off a virtual 38 rather than render what was bound to follow. LOL

[ivory gust]

Logged back in, everything's fine

[cunning agate]

95% of the time it'll work every time.

[spring prism]

Found some Dolvine, couldn't tell it was dolvine even within scanning distance on the Cutlass.

Waste of pulling out the ROC

[ivory gust]

Put the nose of the cutlass right up to the deposit. If scanner doesn't work, you can tell by the color.

[spring prism]

Well it wasn't light enough, sorry

[ivory gust]

Try Arial instead

[spring prism]

I should've probably been on Arial in the first place. Last time I did anything constructive on Aberdeen, I was missile'd by klescher for trying to deliver a package for Red Wind Linehaul

[fringe narwhal]

@spring prism Dude, turn your external ship's lights on with ''L'' then go near vertical above deposite till you almost touch it, you can always tell what the gems are like that, even when it's night

[ivory gust]

His lights don't work apparently

[fringe narwhal]

oh

[spring prism]

Next time I'll try, but it was still very hard to see at night: #industrial-professions message

[fringe narwhal]

if u have bad weather, lights makes it actually harder to see enything unless you're right next to it

you tend to light up the sand or snow storm instead of lighting the ground

[cunning agate]

With ROC mining the primary factor is one's ability to git gud.

If one obtains this gud, then everything else falls into place.

[fringe narwhal]

ROC mining is the only thing i kick ass att in this game so far hehe

[cunning agate]

See? Worked for you!

[fringe narwhal]

right now trying to get into ship mining in ass-steroid belt, so far it sucks hehe

after 3 hrs this morning, i went back home with nothing, with gem, if i spend 3 hrs and dont get a 30k, i'll go home with minimum 200k to 300k, sometimes more

[spring prism]

So... what color are these, I am literally meters from shoving myself into the ground I can literally NOT tell at all:

[fringe narwhal]

you are way too far

throttle your speed way down then keep ta[[ing ''W'' til you are way closer

you'll know that u are close enoguh when the gem icon is way smaller than the rock itself :0

[ivory gust]

I think those are hand mineables

[fringe narwhal]

yes when they are hand mining gems, those are way smaller

[ivory gust]

Also, scanning mode doesn't work? Put the little square right over the deposit itself, hold LMB

can also hold F and scroll wheel up to zoom in

(those are pink, btw. hadanite)

[spring prism]

I think I'm close enough I think:

[fringe narwhal]

na u can get much closer, go slow

[ivory gust]

a) those are hand mineables, that's why they're so small. You shouldn't have bothered with them
b) hold f and scoll wheel to zoom, or use scan

[fringe narwhal]

sometimes i almost touch them

[spring prism]

All of my clusters so far are handmineables

[ivory gust]

Then stop going for hand mineables and go for the normal ones

[spring prism]

Just they've appeared in bigger groups

[ivory gust]

And no, the screenshot you posted earlier was ROC deposits, not hand mineables

[fringe narwhal]

with hand minable u only get 10 gems per and they are hard to mine with ROC but they are good for practice as they require major control

[spring prism]

Two of the clusters (which I showed earlier) appeared past 1000, and weren't "Hand mineable" in your eyes, but they were the same kind of rocks, just more of them

[ivory gust]

These are ROC deposits, not hand mineables: #industrial-professions message

Hand mineables have mass of around .1, ROC deposits have mass around .8

[fringe narwhal]

@spring prism from your sideway screen there, i can see you still are wayy too far, you can get much closer, just turn your throttle down for finer movement

[spring prism]

I'm way too scared about that, I'm not going to

[fringe narwhal]

as i said above, you know you are getting close when the rocks starts getting bigger than the gem icon

scared of what?

turn your thottle down to like 5% then keep tapping ''W'' til u get there, even if u do hit the ground a tiny bit, the worst that';; happen, u scratch the paint 🙂

next time i go gem mining and if u around, i'll take u with me and show u

[spring prism]

Hadanite's pink, right? (These are ROC Deposits btw. They appeared further than 1000, but below 3000.)

And as the scan says, they have 0.8 Mass

[ivory gust]

Yes, those are ROC deposits, and Hadanite is pink. If you continue the scan it should tell you that they're Hadanite

[fringe narwhal]

if they are 0.8 mass, u can get way closer than that, just go slow

yes they are probable hanasite

hadanite

[ivory gust]

The scan slowly brings in all the details, not all at once, need to hold the button down until the right side pops up

[spring prism]

These look gold, not pink

[ivory gust]

Gold streaks and pink streaks. All of the deposits have gold streaks

[fringe narwhal]

the rocks is rock, u only get to see purple\pink, green or blue veins in it which tells u what it is

[spring prism]

I literally had to screenshot and zoom in on paint to see the pink

[ivory gust]

Did you try zooming in game? Hold f, scroll wheel

[fringe narwhal]

believe it on or you can get close enough to a 0.80 mass to almost fill half your view with one 🙂

[spring prism]

I had to look at the other ones, but I can barely tell in game even with F Zoom

[fringe narwhal]

but if u are affraid just keep going til they are about 3 times this size and you'll see well what they are

[jovial matrix]

Agreed, I go until I’m almost touching the rock, and then I zoom in further to see the color

[fringe narwhal]

i'm so use to doing this, i get close, then go vertical then swoop down to see

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

[fringe narwhal]

i used to throttle myself way down but now i dont need to

[ivory gust]

Only need to look at one, all deposits in a cluster will be the same type

[jovial matrix]

Same

[fringe narwhal]

yup

[ivory gust]

And, again, if you don't like the visual thing, just use scan mode, hold down LMB until you see the type (5-10 seconds)

[jovial matrix]

Sometimes I bump the rock as I’m slowing down to look at it lol

[fringe narwhal]

yeah but from what i saw, bumping a rock sloightly cause like silly 10 damge hehe

now when i roc mine, only time i stop for a group smaller than 4 is if it's purple, i ignore anothing that's only 1 to 3 nodes, not worth my time and fuss of landing, moving roc and all that

biggest group i found so far is 15, it happened only 3 times, including one 15 group that was decent % which filled ROC at 60%

[jovial matrix]

I take all nodes of hadanite, regardless of how many rocks

[jovial matrix]

I think biggest I’ve found is 12

[fringe narwhal]

12 and 13 are a bit more common, 15 so far appears to be the max

last week i found 1 x 15, 1 x 12 and 1 x 10 all within 3 kms, was my best run ever, i went to sell it all before something went wrong hehe

[jovial matrix]

Damnnnn

That’s super nice

[fringe narwhal]

@spring prism when you roc mine, get into the habit of transfering your gems to your ship, because if they remain in the ROC and you get 30k, they are lost but in most cases if they are in your ship, you get to keep them after a 30k

if there was no bugs with roc or game in general or 30k every 2 hrs or so, i'm sure i can mine for 1M a day easy

[cunning agate]

This is the smart primate move right heah.

[fringe narwhal]

???

[cunning agate]

Yeah.

That'd be fairly grindy but yeah.

[fringe narwhal]

na was quick 300k+

maybe 45 mins all together

well maybe 1 hr when including all the roc to ship tranfers

[cunning agate]

And as far as 1 Million per day, "easy" is a relative term. There will be stretches where all of the server gods will align against you to administer a stern reproof.

But I pulled 500K in the past 24, so sure. 1 Million a day as a goal seems doable.

[fringe narwhal]

that is why i said if it was not for bugs and 30k's i could easily mine 1M a day

[cunning agate]

Go forth and report back!

[fringe narwhal]

yeah my best day is about 650k and it does not include what i lost due to 30k's

it helps to choose the right server, when i know most people in europe are sleeping, i pick a EU server, so it's much smoother and usually can mine in peace for longer time

often i get up very erliy like 5am, then i play on US server

@cunning agate yeah one of my goal is to manage 1M in gems in a day, by that i mean sold gems, not including the lost ones

[cunning agate]

I mean, right now we're nigh unto a wipe, so it'd just be for the doings at the moment. But then again, it's all vanity anyway.

[fringe narwhal]

yup

i started playing during the last freefly, then bought a Nomad package, since i bought a ROC, a Prospector a freelancer max and couple others just with gems

knowing that soon they will all be gone 🙂

next i want to get a cutlass black

mainly because it's scanners sees gem nodes at 3000 to 3500 instead of the 2500 on Nomad

[ivory gust]

Nomad and Cutlass have same scan range

3100

That's the "standard" for most ships

[fringe narwhal]

nope for example on prospector i often get gems at 4500

[ivory gust]

...That has nothing to do with the cutlass or the nomad.

[fringe narwhal]

and rented a cutlass black and often spotted gems at 3500

[ivory gust]

I said standard on most ships.

[cunning agate]

If you can stand the 1) Doors and 2) Size the MSR is an exceptional ROC mining platform. Plus, the Hydrogen costs will ground you in pseudoreality.

(If you actually pay them)

[spring prism]

Lost ~30 cSCU

30k instantly when my ROC did an invalid maneuver

No lag/etc. beforehand, server actually allowed me to pick up items.

Just INSTANT

[cunning agate]

Thank you for your service.

It won't be the last Hadanite you lose, pretty sure.

[fringe narwhal]

meh I'm used to it by now, it's just part of the process 🙂

all my mining trip usually last till i 30k or get a roc bug on laser that i cant manage to fix

[spring prism]

You'll understand when the video I have on it uploads why it was "Instant"

But it's 11 GB, so 2 hours to upload

[jovial matrix]

Bruh 11gb 💀

[cunning agate]

Hahahahahah

[spring prism]

It's 1080p

[cunning agate]

That is a formidable upload can the interwebz hannle it?

[spring prism]

30 minutes of footage

[cunning agate]

You might consider a highlight clip.

If under 50MB it could be direct uploaded here.

[spring prism]

Eh, it's a file recording, not a stream.

[cunning agate]

Oh okay. Got it. I record too. I use an editing suite to work my materials.

Lets me trim the fat, choose different resolutions, and so on.

[spring prism]

I would edit it to speed up the placing of hadanite individually into my cutlass for the first batch, but... I decided to leave it.

Because everyone has to suffer too

My game renders in 1440p, I tell OBS to scale it down to 1080p

Even if I used shotcut to compress it into high profile MP4 (OBS saves as MKV), it'd only shave off maybe 2 GB

[cunning agate]

100K per hour ROC mining is pretty standard, or so it's seemed these past couple of days.

[spring prism]

If you don't get 30k'd

Here's the video by the way, enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKydJ3qsPSE (9:30 to skip all the Hadanite transfer.)

[cobalt rivet]

You can do better than 100k

[cunning agate]

You can. But I find it best to just take it as it comes.

[spring prism]

I came close, but got up to about 118k, after that amount that I sold, I did that video above. At the end was an insta-30k

After 9:30 is when I did a flight to find more Hadanite, and you can plainly see how little I could find

[cunning agate]

That includes the getting the ship and getting the ROC.

[cobalt rivet]

Where do you sell it?

[spring prism]

Any Mining Outpost

Same price everywhere : 275 per rock

[cobalt rivet]

I know how it works, im asking him

Making sure hes not doing something stupid like packing it in his bag and selling it

[spring prism]

You don't take any chances in Star Citizen, I'm sure he would too Those damn 30ks

[cunning agate]

Yeah I sell at a ground mining station.

[marble crater]

managed to get a 32scu Quant run in the Prospector & 30K'd on the way back to refinery. Decided F this game & logged out. Log back in 4 hours later & Prossy is stored at station with the Quant still intact lol

[jovial matrix]

Nice

[spring prism]

Server probably didn't unload your prospector fast enough to stop it from being impounded. Or stored it so fast server didn't have time to flag it to clear the inventory.

[ivory gust]

Nah, Prospector/Mole have 30k protection for the ore

[cobalt rivet]

I wish i still find joy playing SC hope 3.18 brings something meaningful into the pve

[marble crater]

definitely good to take breaks & come back to check out interesting patches. aside from the addition of bunkers it's basically been the same game since 3.14

[teal ridge]

Do peoples still roc mine on ariel?

[solar oracle]

What does 30K'd mean

[toxic citrus]

30k means a server disconnected from the main database

[solar oracle]

Ah gotcha. Thank you 🙂

[toxic citrus]

Error code 30000 to be specific

[solar oracle]

I wish origin jumpworks would make a transport / freighter for cargo. I love the look of their ships

[carmine radish]

Is it worh doing cargo runs with smaller ships like the Avenger Titan? Dont have the money to buy stuff like an A2 or so

[cobalt rivet]

Does the 890 not do cargo?

[worthy scroll]

They might. IIRC in lore the 600 was originally a cargo ship.

[solar oracle]

has the 600 gotten reworked recently?

[worthy scroll]

Not yet but it's in line to.

[carmine radish]

?

[spring prism]

You'll make more in a single 8000 aUEC Box Delivery Mission than you can cargo trading with the avenger titan even with Laranite for the same amount of time.

[zenith maple]

less risk too

[spring prism]

Unless of course someone's bounty NPCs spawn above your box delivery mission place, like an emergency shelter. Or you end up going to the aid shelter near klescher (Hurston box deliveries/etc.) and Klescher decides to missile you

But the former of that is rare. And the only reason klescher would target you is if you go too high near them. (And the Aid shelter is within that range.) So you're best staying low and flying near the surface away from klescher first

That's why I do microtech deliveries mainly.

[zenith maple]

yeah, I love to chill out on microtech playing ups

just to have something to do while watching shows or something

[spring prism]

Heh heh, "Chill."

[fringe narwhal]

hi

[spring prism]

LMAO, the server kept it for some reason?

Wonder if the rental roc will have its hadanite too

Thanks game for the 24k

[vestal ravine]

should i relaunch on the red bar crash

[spring prism]

Nope, hadanite I mined was cleared:

[rugged axle]

It saved it because it was in the cutty, not the roc. Cutty has 30k protection(as all ships), roc isn't considered a ship, therefore no 30k protection yet.

This is why it's always best to transfer to ship inventory after each patch

[spring prism]

I thought 30k protection was only a minute or so? This was over 6+ Hours

[rugged axle]

Nope. It's forever until you retrieve the ship

Had quant in a prospector for 2 weeks and recovered it

[jovial matrix]

Nah it’s got a small cargo hold, 100SCU

[north oyster]

As long as you "retrieve" and not claim

Like death said, no time limit

[vestal ravine]

The StarrStreams guy is trying to fill a Valk with Hadanite he's at 54% full. Interesting challenge...

[jovial matrix]

That’s a lotta hadanite

[spring prism]

Thankfully the only option was to retreive, since it was stored on "Arial" and thus couldn't be retreived at an intended place

[north oyster]

I really need to make a macro to move stuff

[spring prism]

Also, bummer about a 4 deposit hadanite cluster for ROC being on the side of a hill. Almost all of the gems went inside there, and they clipped through the rocks there, so I can't get them, lost nearly 5-6 cSCU because of it

[north oyster]

I've had those that I had to chase down the hill. I try to avoid breaks like that

[spring prism]

Couldn't have broken it any other way, was always in optimal, never got into red

The hill just made them all roll down the hill

Literally not my fault at all

There's so many people coming to this mining post for some reason

I've seen like 4 people within the last 5m

[jovial matrix]

You shouldn’t be mining near an outpost btw

[spring prism]

Yeah well, I can't tell where they are unless I have waypoints / quantum on

Sorry

[jovial matrix]

Warp to an OM or something and then fly down to the surface. If your by an outpost someone can find you easily, and if they’re pirates they’re gonna come get you

[spring prism]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I've been right below OM-5 this entire time

[cobalt rivet]

Get voice attack and dump all your gems into your ship after you harvest the gems. Once you setup voice attack properly the dumping process takes less than 3 seconds

[spring prism]

"Voice attack"?

[cobalt rivet]

Its free and fully functional up to 20 sets of instructions. You pay 10 bucks for premium and you can set as many commands as you want. I didnt pay

[spring prism]

Yeah no

If something has a "Premium" option, I'll often end up triggering it

[cobalt rivet]

Nah

[spring prism]

So no, I won't use it

[cobalt rivet]

Lol thats a really dumb reason not to make your life easier

Just click no every time you launch it

[spring prism]

Sorry if I've had bad experiences with 8+ other "Free" apps with the same thing

[cobalt rivet]

And if you accidentally click yes just cance out itll go back

Unless you somehow accidentally give them your credit card information

[spring prism]

Well do you have a non-video guide on what to do once I have it then?

And of course it requires a hot key to "Listen," I already have way too many hotkeys for other programs like OBS

[cobalt rivet]

Imo, its pretty self explanatory. But https://forum.voiceattack.com/smf/index.php?topic=2667.0

[rugged axle]

Download. Hit + command. Input command. Set yo work off hotkey or just voice command. Profit

[cobalt rivet]

Also skip the registration step

[spring prism]

How? Plus can't be used:

Everything's greyed out

[rugged axle]

Not profile. There's one for command

[cobalt rivet]

Read the instructions or watch a 5 minute video

Up to you

Click the pen

It lets you create profile from there

When you need to add more instructions then click the plus

[spring prism]

Okay? How do I make it so voice attack only runs on star citizen? Because this looks like it will do everything anywhere?

[cobalt rivet]

Stop command if target window focus is lost i think

[spring prism]

And what action in star citizen do I run? A mouse action?

[rugged axle]

Depends what you want to do...

[cobalt rivet]

You might have to break your comfort zone and use your brain a little

[spring prism]

I mean, I know I have to use a loop action

But what?

[cobalt rivet]

Look at the options on the left

[rugged axle]

For transferring items, yes, mouse command. And there's literally multiple youtube videos of step by step how to set it up specifically for transferring inventory in star citizen

[spring prism]

Is there a key in star citizen to actually transfer items? Because I've been using the mouse

[cobalt rivet]

Jesus christ

[rugged axle]

If there was a key to do it, we wouldn't need voice attack...

[cobalt rivet]

The point of voice attack is to make a set of instructions to automate your mundane mouse movements

You have to configure it yourself to replicate this movement by picking mouse movement option

[rugged axle]

https://youtu.be/PpVEoau6FYQ

Just...watch this...and follow along step by step. Courtesy of redmonster

[cobalt rivet]

Yes just watch the video

They will explain most of it

[rugged axle]

He explains ALL of it...step by step lol

[cobalt rivet]

Nah there are little nuances you have to deal with like voice recognition troubleshooting

But yeah the main ideas are all there

[rugged axle]

Eh, I don't even use voice. I bound it to a key lol

[cobalt rivet]

I use voice for all of it

I even configured it to say “yes daddy “ in sexy girl voice so i know it registered

[rugged axle]

1 key to transfer from left of screen to right. 1 key to do opposite.
1 key to flight ready, change weapon assignments, and change mfds in gladius lol

[cobalt rivet]

Such a pity i learned too late about voice attack

Cause im bored of sc and havent played it lately

Got to use it for like 1 week

Easiest week of my life

[rugged axle]

I'm bored of this patch. I messed up and bought everything in thr game with the "stimulus". So all there is for me to do is pvp. And...no one wants to do that in the PU lol

[cobalt rivet]

Same

[rugged axle]

They gave me almost 80mil. And then not resetting rep, I have max already. I'll get on every now and then to mine, and see if any pvp bounties are in server

[spring prism]

How do you stop it prematurely if you use key presses? Since it'll keep going 50-100 times

[rugged axle]

I have it set to 15x/keypress.
So at most it tries to move 15 things at once

[cobalt rivet]

I setup a master function to stop all other functions

Just make sure you update it when you add a new function

And make sure each function you create , the box that says dont allow other instructions to run while this one is running is unchecked

There is also a way to setup function to stop voice attack as well (i think)

Or a keybind but i am not at my desk right now

[north oyster]

If you dive down from OM-1, it is daylight all the time there. Sort of an "eternal sunset" vibe to it

that is true for all planets & moons with orbital markers on them. OM-1 marks the north axis of the rotation.

[spring prism]

Got it:

I also set the first one to stop processing if I lose focus of target window. Double the failsafe. Also, 100 is the amount of items on a single storage page. Hence why 100.

[spring prism]

Arial has that? I thought it was specific to Aberdeen

[north oyster]

All planets & moons

I use to use it on MicroTech all the time when it was 100% hadanite planet

Of course diving down from OM-1 on MT is WAY longer than a moon. It's over 140km away

[spring prism]

I could go into microTech caves and hand mine everything in there too But that'd take ages, and there's no guarantee I'll be able to get back to the surface, or if my ship will still be there

Plus those damn parkour jumps that require you to jump at the last frame to clear the gap

[north oyster]

when they offer the free form small quantum jumps, it might be easier to nav around MT and other large planets

[spring prism]

I can buy the ROC finally, but I should probably get some more money while I still have the rental:

[north oyster]

yes, keep working the rental until it runs out. but don't leave anything in it when close to rental expiring

build a buffer

[spring prism]

Off course

[spring prism]

Okay, I think I understand why there were so many people around the Hadanite stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FBeDySj9GI

[spring prism]

They're on magda/magna right now, were on Arial before. Probably why I saw people.

[worthy scroll]

The tablets? Just cheapo Android tablets running GameTouch Controller.

[spring prism]

Thought I got a super rare high hadanite cluster, only to be bamboozled by Dolivine

It's the instability that tipped me off. Dolivine is usually 3.x+ but I got close to be sure :V

And another bamboozle with Aphorite:

[vestal ravine]

Did you mine these? I had 6 Aphorites this morning and lost them to a game crash.

[spring prism]

Nope, I didn't mine them

If I could, I'd give you coordinates to my general area. But I did fly off several dozen meters

[vestal ravine]

Ok thanks...I had another server crash so am sticking with short cargo runs until later.

[rancid compass]

So question. Can you store the refined work orders on a cargo ship over multiple days, and then deliver them all at once?

[ivory gust]

Safer to just keep them in the refinery and only deliver them to the ship right before you're ready to head out

[rancid compass]

Well, shit. Ok. How many orders can the refinery hold?

[spring prism]

Yay, 5x cluster of Hadanite

[ivory gust]

Infinity

Well, probably not, but it can hold as many as you'll ever need

[rancid compass]

For real? Dammit, I thought you could only do three!

[ivory gust]

Nope, the screen scrolls

[rancid compass]

Son of a...! Aight. Thanks a bunch, Chris!

[cobalt rivet]

How is the voice macro working out for you

[spring prism]

I'm using key press for it. It's working well, much faster. But the problem I'm running into is, if you "Stop command processing" the next time you start the command processing, it begins where it left off. So, I have 100 loops total, and if I stop it at let's say... 30 loops, when I start it again, it will only loop 70 times.

Half Hydrogen, so I decided to go back after that set of hadanite...

[ivory gust]

I think you can set the "stop command processing" to reset everything else too

[cobalt rivet]

I dont set finite loops

[spring prism]

Not as much as last time I sold a big one, but close

It took so long to find any deposits going from OM-1, which is why I was already at half HYD

[jovial matrix]

thats decent, good job

[cobalt rivet]

Its indefinite until i turn it off using master control

[ivory gust]

ah, never mind, i just have mine indefinite as well

[cobalt rivet]

I have one going left and one going right

Gotta find a use for this in my other games

[hollow sedge]

As soon as I left my prospector, the alarm went crazy. But it wasn't in yellow. I was allowed to store. But then my 32scu of quant wasn't available to refine.

I think my Quantanium disappeared 😦

never had this happen in a mole.

[misty coyote]

They are adding shift clicking for lefty righty transfers Soon TM

[ivory gust]

It went inert. That's the bug. Don't land in a hangar. Always impound

[spring prism]

Always impound it when doing full quantanium. You can do that by not contacting ATC, and hovering in front of a closed hangar for almost a minute

[hollow sedge]

ok. It's not supposed to do this, but it does, and this alarm is related?

[spring prism]

Never needed to worry about it, so I don't know

[cobalt rivet]

yall jus suck, i hit one key and my hangar is always on point and I never have issues with losing quant

i get that bug where the quant says its inert but, i can still sell it as quant

also when you land with quant, land softly

[ivory gust]

It doesn't matter how softly you land, the bug can still happen

[cobalt rivet]

[hollow sedge]

I lost my haul again, this time in a Mole. What the heck. It just started after I first started doing prospector.

I did dozens of mole runs in the last 2 weeks without this problem.

dozens of hangar landings, never a loss

My two losses are pure quantanium

[cobalt rivet]

[sly pebble]

whats the best refinement method?

[worthy scroll]

Depends on what you want out of a refinement method.

[spring prism]

Whatever suits your fancy. But I'd recommend the one with the most yield. The lowest cost one for that can take over a day real time

The timer runs even while offline and while a server is down (so long as there isn't a wipe when it comes back.)

[worthy scroll]

They all have pros and cons, none are "best", just best for what you want.

https://starcitizen.fandom.com/wiki/Refinery_deck

[cunning agate]

I still stand by my 100K per hour ROC mining statement. Others have said "No dawg you can do more."

But that's theoretical in my mind. 100K per hour has worked out over the past seven or eight hours of ROC mining, and it compares favorably to older tries in older patches.

[jovial matrix]

nice haul

[cunning agate]

Thanks man. That was about an hour and fifty minutes, from waking up at Port Everus to sale.

[jovial matrix]

dunno what my fastest 200k+ run has been, but thats pretty good I think

[cunning agate]

I mean, there's more money to be made in other endeavors, but, this is ROC mining.

[jovial matrix]

I know, i was talking about ROC mining

[cunning agate]

Cool. Yeah. I was just comparing it to other money making activities.

[jovial matrix]

mk

[sonic laurel]

best mining run I had was descending onto Lyria in a prospy. and landing on top of two quant rocks of substantial mass and percentage. I immediately filled up on pure quant and flew off with no more than a few dozen meters of horizontal movement.

[spring prism]

Wish I didn't abhor those consumable modules.

[cobalt rivet]

Theyre worth every auec

Breaking rocks get significantly faster and easier

Fir each module you get like 5 uses so they’re actually really cheap per use

[cunning agate]

Consumables.

[prisma scarab]

The moments you wish you had a mole ^^

[glacial dagger]

Then go for Dyinx. long time, low cost, high yeild 😄

[junior edge]

hey guys i have a similar question, i got 20 scus of quantum in my run, but how much quantum is that for mining calc, im trying to work out how much money it is, because need to save up for a C2

[glacial dagger]

so, raw/refined quant is worth 44/88 aUEC respectivly. If you have exactly 20 SCU, that would make you 88,000/176,000 aUEC respectivly

[junior edge]

so is the 20 scu multiplied by something, like 1 scu is 1000 or something

[glacial dagger]

1 SCU = 100 units

1 unit is worth 44/88 aUEC raw/refined

so 1 SCU is worth 4,400/8,800 aUEC raw/refined

[cerulean lichen]

Do you guys think bulk mining will ever be worth it? Like mining more common stuff but in just large quantities

[glacial dagger]

Eventually, once we start getting to use ships like the Orion, I think it wont really matter what you take in, because your likely to still be able to take on a lot of it

[cerulean lichen]

Wonder if that new mining ship they talked about at citizen con will be able to act like a mini Orion

[worthy scroll]

The Orion is basically Unicron. I bet the next "medium" one they want to make will either mine larger rocks we don't have yet, or be an entry level strip miner.

[sonic laurel]

Planet-cracker when? I'm naming mine "The Ishimura"

[north oyster]

It will, there isn't any real market demand. Before Quan you could make decent mining bulk but refinery wasn't in play either though

Quantainium is enjoying artificially supported price dominance

I wonder if RSI won the manufacturer runoff

[cerulean lichen]

Probably. Was hoping for Argo since Argo doesn’t have a lot of ships.

[misty coyote]

We need a mining claim beacon!..

Plant it, event in FPS mode, with a limited battery... An hour maybe.... So you can come back to tasty rocks.

Or just a resuse... Because you don't need 1hour..

[ivory gust]

You can use a delivery package or research mission probe as a tracker

[north oyster]

Way points are promised

Soon(tm)

You can't have exploration without simple tools like that

[prisma scarab]

https://scorg.tools/mining I use this site for working out earnings and percentages of rocks its pretty useful as a guide

[junior edge]

@prisma scarab perfer https://uexcorp.space/mining more solid performance and dont gotta sign in for more tools

[misty coyote]

Oh nice!

[silk vortex]

Is it normal for these illegal monitor missions to be so hard? I swear I've been out here pinging for 10 minutes and can't find anything.

So far I've had trouble finding just about anything to do in this game

[jovial matrix]

Pretty sure they’re quite buggy

[silk vortex]

That's been my experience so far. What can I actually do to have some fun? I've tried to do one of the merc missions but it doesn't even give me a waypoint

[jovial matrix]

Which merc missions? As for other fun things to do, you can try ROC mining for like 35k~ by renting a Cutlass black and an ROC, the entry level bunker missions aren’t too difficult, especially if you know the basics of FPS combat. Delivery missions are an option if you like to do something chill, but they’re a little long IMO and don’t pay as well as other options. Low tier bounties (very low risk targets and low risk targets) are doable in any of the starter ships, same thing with the low threat combat assistance beacons, so those are good options if you want to do ship combat. Cargo hauling isn’t really accessible to new players because you need a pretty large ship and a good amount of money to start cargo hauling.

@silk vortex

There’s a variety of other missions and things that you can do, but these are the main gameplay loops that are relatively easy and accessible to newer players

[silk vortex]

Okay thank you I'll try those 🙂

I finally made it to the contractor evaluation but I don't have a gun, I'm gonna go in and see if I can find one laying around 😅

[jovial matrix]

Look for red boxes on the ground, they have guns in them

Also

If you run up to an enemy and hit middle mouse button, you’ll do a takedown

[jovial matrix]

That will knock them out and allow you to take their gun

[silk vortex]

That sounds awesome I'll try that

[jovial matrix]

Yeah I do it often when I need gear

Run into a bunker, knock some people out, use their guns to finish the mission

[fossil swallow]

Is it worth Mining anything else besides quant? Seems more valuable to do bounty missions

[jovial matrix]

The next best ore is half the worth of quant, and afaik it’s harder to find in large quantities compared to quant

[silk vortex]

Aaand now I'm stuck on a wall

[jovial matrix]

Wacky, do you think you can get out?

[silk vortex]

No luck so far, I've tried crouching, turning all the way around, jumping

[worthy scroll]

Quant for credits per hour, mine other stuff (bexalite, half the value of quant) for relaxing mining gameplay with no real rush for money.

[jovial matrix]

Perhaps emoting?

[silk vortex]

I was trying to do a takedown and just locked up

How do I do that?

[jovial matrix]

Hold F and right click

Go to players -> actions -> emotes

And then try some of them

No idea if that’ll work or not

[silk vortex]

Ooh that worked! Thanks

[jovial matrix]

Ayyy let’s go

[silk vortex]

Strangely even going prone from that menu didn't work, and emote did 🤔

[jovial matrix]

Weird

[cyan juniper]

If you want high stress and low income, try cargo!

[silk vortex]

Whoops I failed the security contract eval, apparently those were allies 😬

[jovial matrix]

Ah yeah, gotta be careful to not shoot the guards

[worthy scroll]

Lol, what's stressful about cargo? It's what I'm normally doing. In a Caterpillar (I get to take frequent bathroom breaks due to how slow it is).

[jovial matrix]

Also, if an enemy is nearby a guard, then just leave the enemy alone and wait for it to either walk away from the guard or for the guard to kill the enemy

[silk vortex]

That's annoying, they all gave waypoint markers and last time I was here everyone on this floor was hostile

Oh good to know

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

[silk vortex]

Is there a way to reset the contract or am I just out now?

[jovial matrix]

Just gotta leave

You might have to wait to try another one for a few days, since your rep with the security people probably went down

I think flying to a different planet might allow you to try another bunker mission on that planet

Also did you get a crimestat? It would be in the top right next to the satellite icon (if there’s a satellite icon)

[silk vortex]

That's fine, I need to go get another backpack anyway

I don't think so

[jovial matrix]

It would be a head with a target on it if you had a crimestat

[silk vortex]

I'll check when I get into orbit, none of that shows up right now

[jovial matrix]

Ok

[silk vortex]

Can you buy gear like a backpack at an orbital station? I need another backpack but don't like going all the way to the planet surface

[cyan juniper]

The part where you a giant sum of money in your hold that can be disintegrated by a laundry list of things like spawning ERTs or landing pads impounding your ship to simply going to fast at night and crashing into a mountain.

Everything I’m describing can be mitigated. It’s just happens to be the only career in the game that requires you to put skin in the game every time you go out.

[jovial matrix]

Yes, pretty sure each planets major spaceport has an armor shop where you can buy a backpack

[silk vortex]

But not places like Port Tressler? I was hoping I could just stow my gear in the ship and backspace back to home lol

[jovial matrix]

Port treasure has an armor shop

[silk vortex]

Oh where is that? Or do you mean Tressler

[jovial matrix]

Tressler*

Autocorrect sorry lol

[silk vortex]

Np just making sure lol

Do you lose anything if you travel that way? I was going to just put all my gear in the ship inventory and "fast travel" with backspace lol

[jovial matrix]

You would have to go back to where your ship was and get your gear out of the ship, would be faster to just fly to your destination

Also, let’s keep talking in DM’s, mods probably don’t want us chatting casually in the mining/cargo channel

[silk vortex]

Oh my bad I forgot this was the dedicated channel

[jovial matrix]

All good

[cyan juniper]

Cargo insurance would be nice. Click this box at the trading terminal to pay X% more per unit, but receive the value of the cargo back if the game detects that the cargo despawned without being sold.

[worthy scroll]

Eh, possibilities that are incredibly rare. I've only lost one load of cargo since I've been running over the last months, and it was due to a client crash right when I purchased a load.

If you're crashing into mountains, learn to fly 😂

[cyan juniper]

I’m not saying it wasn’t my fault.

I’m saying if I’m bounty hunting it costs me as long as it takes to file a claim. If I’m mining it costs me the claim time, plus whatever I collected.

Cargo you stand to lose a couple million depending on what you’re hauling.

Hence stress

[worthy scroll]

Sure the risk is there. It's just very rare these days. Not like back when you'd lose loads over and over due to 30k's. I do it mostly because it's my chill out and relax gameplay. Zero stress.

[cyan juniper]

Zero stress

[worthy scroll]

Zero stress. Cargo issues are very few and far between these days.

[meager gorge]

I would PAY to have someone drop ship components off to me so I didn’t have to make the trip. Is that gonna be possible we think Somtime? Right now they just become bricks on the ground if you drop them.

[worthy scroll]

Definitely possible later, just not now. It's something I plan on getting into once the science gameplay loop comes in and we can modify components. I'll be selling my services (with my Endeavor) that way.

[sonic laurel]

I do this but for fps gear

[marble crater]

I would love to move stuff for people. Fill up the C2 with everyone's goods, go to Grim Hex & log off

[cunning agate]

The whole premise of trading in the role playing game Traveller was that you would be at the port and there would be cargoes. Say 100 Tons of Agricultural Tools, or 50 Tons of Textiles, or whatever. You would buy the cargo, and deliver it to a world predicted to want it for a higher price.

[ivory gust]

Someone else who's heard of Traveller?! Whaaaaaat

That concept doesn't really apply as much to SC as it did to Traveller, though--in Traveller, there was no instant communication and travel took a lot longer, so that sort of "speculative" trading doesn't really work as well here

[meager gorge]

I just hate traveling all over for all my ship parts I need. I’d pay to have someone bring me components

[cunning agate]

There are many backers that have heard of Traveller--we do after all trend toward a certain age and demographic.

But yeah. More or less instantaneous communication makes that sort of speculative trading irrelevant. Unless there was some kind of rng to determine the selling cost, which would be anathema to the quantum system as advertised.

[hollow sedge]

I think the trick to avoiding suddenly empty mining run is don't come home with pure raw quant

[ivory gust]

No.

The trick is to not land in the hangar. Just get impounded. 100% reliable.

[zenith maple]

impounding is landing on a non assigned pad and just wait right?

[jovial matrix]

yeah

or floating in front of an un-assigned hangar

[hollow sedge]

well both my losses are from 100% pure quant

[zenith maple]

I was about to ask, how to do it when no pads, but thats the answer I guess. Never tried that. interesting.

[ivory gust]

Don't call ATC, then float in front of a hangar at a station. If the impound warning doesn't show up in 30sec or so, try a different hangar

[hollow sedge]

Dang quantum disappearing is on the top of the second page of confirmed top voted issues... gonna take a while. Might as well start getting used to impounding now.

[ivory gust]

Yep. I never land, I always impound, and I've never hit the issue in upwards of 10M worth of quant mined this patch

[hollow sedge]

But half of the first page of top voted issues are kind of silly

two are "my friendlist", one is "this panel in the 400i isn't painted"

[rugged axle]

Cig will fix the 400 panel as a "quality of life" and leave all the mining bugs lol

[hollow sedge]

"It's a feature, since quant is so much more expensive than other rocks"

[fringe kettle]

Any trade routes worth pursuing in something like an Argo RAFT or Constellation Andromeda?

Or is it pointless to use anything other than a C2

[cobalt rivet]

You traders are easily entertained. I am envious

[worthy scroll]

It's more about how much money you want to make. Trading really only gets profitable, if you're a credit chaser, in a Caterpillar or C2. If you want to trade just for the heck of it, use anything with cargo space.

[cunning agate]

I just had a series of ROC mining sessions in an MSR that were so successful in terms of persistence that I ran the MSR out of Hydrogen fuel

Like six sessions, four bedlogs. It was like a window into what will be.

[jovial matrix]

Goddamn

[cunning agate]

Yeah definitely falls in the realm of successful failure.

[misty coyote]

So rather than thinking of the profits, I'd just plan a route and make your own mini game.... No jump without profit....Which usually means starting with scrap....

What would be sweet, is a place that takes waste to create bio fuels.... But it's in a dangerous place.

[rich root]

Whats the best mining laser for the prospector ? Helix or lancet?

[cobalt rivet]

Lancet

Lancet and surge,optimum/stampede modules

[fleet moat]

quick question if i have a CA with only 1 scu left space. then i claim a 2 scu refined ore. will the left over be discarded?

i have around 30k cscu of quants and i want to maximize the transport. im kinda worried if for example: if i have like 2 scu left on my cargo hold. then the last job has yield more than 2scu. the game might discard it and im gonna lose profit

[misty coyote]

You just can't

It won't allow packing of work orders over the space you have

[fleet moat]

i see that answers everything. so basically the console will just reject on storing it on a full space

[misty coyote]

Yep.

[fleet moat]

i see thank you

[misty coyote]

Only thing you can do is cut short a work order.

What you could do....

[fleet moat]

oof. ill just go back for another run than lose profit XD

[misty coyote]

Is go to admin and buy some scrap.... But they you're in hauling.... To make up the extra space.

[fleet moat]

ill try this thank you

[misty coyote]

Just be careful...

It might just be easier to sell the quant....

Because the city side traders don't buy scrap for much, so you'll need to find a place on planet to buy it....

[fleet moat]

yeah cant risk accidents

im gonna lose way more if i crashed XD

[misty coyote]

No......so forget the scrap.... Or fill up on scrap, sell the quant first, then get rid of the scrap when you're safe.

Nah.... That's stupid too... The city traders sell scrap too....

[fleet moat]

i see, ill be careful

[misty coyote]

Sorry.... Muddied the water here a bit...

Get your quant sold, inefficient or not.

[fleet moat]

its okay XD thanks for the tip

[misty coyote]

I would suggest never hauling more than 50ish scu....

All eggs one basket and all that...

3 full loads.... Or a Lancer full...

Can't be too careful with the SC bs

[fleet moat]

yeah ill lose shit if i lose 92 worth of scu XD

[misty coyote]

Totally.... I like the RAFT as my dedicated refinery runner.

Or the Vanillancer

[fleet moat]

why lyria is so bright. my eye burns XD

[sinful parcel]

try losing 500scu

[fleet moat]

commits backspace

[sinful parcel]

im in and out of everywhere i go no dilly dally

pretty much if im not full im not making anything

[meager gorge]

I sweat bullets everytime I haul a full 696 SCU in the C2 😂

[cunning agate]

The most dangerous game.

[misty coyote]

The only game....

[meager gorge]

during the 9tails blockade event when I have 1million credits worth of medical supplies lol

[cunning agate]

I ended up with a full C2 at the end of the last event. Tried to sell it over the next month, but then...wipe. LOL

[meager gorge]

That happened to me, I had to time it for the next event.

[marble crow]

does anyone want to help me mine?

[north oyster]

There are some mining groups that you can join. Otherwise mining is mostly solo unless running a MOLE.

[cunning agate]

Whoo hoo crash protection worked. Crashed out, submitted the report, then logged back onto my server. Put me right back in the seat of my ROC.

[worthy scroll]

I've gotten lucky like that sometimes. When you log back on to the same server it's great.

[fleet moat]

good for you. i lost 2 full rocs because of 30k

[ivory gust]

For client crash protection it doesn't even need to be the same server

[worthy scroll]

Oh? Most of the time it doesn't work for me then.

[fleet moat]

also ive been getting only 2% quants for a while now. and 95 out of 100 i scanned is single rocks. and the remaining 5 is quants with bad percentage

then my eye hurts bcus of how bright lyria is

[vestal ravine]

Maybe adjust your normal brightness slider when mining on Lyria.

[rugged axle]

Gamma, adjust gamma while on lyria.

But...don't go back to space before resetting it lol

[upbeat pagoda]

anyone got a cargo run I can do

In a C2

[worthy scroll]

Arial, buy laranite/titanium, sell at Lorville. Rinse and repeat until you go blind.

[vestal ravine]

Thanks for clarifying that!!

Hey my trade ship the Free MAX has a busted Velocity caret. It's stuck at 45%. I tried getting in and out off the seat, retrieving twice, pressing V. No luck. I have not claimed it or backspaced yet. What can fix this?

[ivory gust]

"Velocity caret"?

Screenshot of problem would help

[hazy vault]

powercycle probably

idk wtf a velocity caret is tho

[hollow sedge]

literally impounding deleted all my quantanium. I see everything else, lmao

[ivory gust]

Then you did something wrong. I've never had that happen.

[vestal ravine]

Some player helped blow up this Max but the problem persists. Pressing U did not help. Should I get a new power supply for it or just use the vehicle manager to take it off and on?

[hazy vault]

no, im still confused about the term velocity caret. i assume u mean the sticky pip bug, where the chevron and targeting indicator for a targeted ship that has been destroyed persist on your hud eery time you enter ur seat

this a ui bug that is fairly common

the problem is, the pips arent actually on your ship hud, theyre on your mobiglass, so the only fix is relogging

[vestal ravine]

This is the square box left side associated with the words VEL

[hazy vault]

send ss

ill probably know whats going on, but i need a visual here

[vestal ravine]

ok one sec

[hazy vault]

the speed limiter is broken?

[vestal ravine]

The ship will not lift off at all plus that blue box will not go up or down in VEL area...

[vestal ravine]

yes

[hazy vault]

try scroll wheel?

[vestal ravine]

does not good other ships work ok

[hazy vault]

hmmm

ive never once encountered that bug

relogging should fix it tho

try pressing u and then r

instead of u a second time

[vestal ravine]

Nope I've done most everything over a 2 day period. Blowing up the last resort aside from character reset

[hazy vault]

shit, so the ships bugged across multiple servers

damn

[vestal ravine]

Nothing changed...My Prospector had the bags blown from a Quant episode. Could not repair them until the patch came. It was permanent.

[hazy vault]

well, try taking all components off, retrieving the ship, and the storing the ship and putting the components back on