industrial-professions

[north oyster]

Once you are comfortable, then go for Quantainium exclusively

[marble crater]

interesting workaround, will give it a go next time I'm on 👍

[north oyster]

It improved my dud scan ratio from about 80% down to 50% or so bad scans

[marble crater]

80% is about what I'm seeing in the Halo currently

[north oyster]

Ilikewise, I was use to everything being a dud. But once I tried the trick, I noted a pretty good improvement. Nothing solved, but certainly improved

I think Macedon originated the trick

I learned it from Spaceshorts

[jovial matrix]

The hercules line can all haul a nova

[shut remnant]

is there anything else?

[jovial matrix]

Could probably fit one on an 890

Wouldn’t be practical though

[ivory gust]

https://starcitizen.fandom.com/wiki/Mining_module

First result on Google for "star Citizen mining modules"

Park next to a hill and jump them in

[rain mauve]

Is there an easier way to find quantanium on lyria? I've been flying around sal 2 and cant find any this time

[ivory gust]

https://youtu.be/TfB-8a65hrA

You don't need to rebind your keys the way he suggests, you can just use the defaults, but that's how it works. You use that method to spot clusters from a distance, and clusters are always quantanium.

Also I recommend not "flying around Sal 2", pick a direction and fly generally that way while doing that scanning

[rain mauve]

Thanks

[versed kettle]

Yeah i'm new with mining and stuff. Any advice other then the lancet laserhead?

[north oyster]

More is caught than taught. Hours in the cockpit is how you'll raise your "level" in the mining gig. And lots of mistakes (compounded by bugs), so be patient.

[rain mauve]

My mining modules disappeared?

can't see my surge/stampede/xtr xl

[ivory gust]

They go away when you claim the ship

[rain mauve]

Oh I have to buy new ones each time?

[ivory gust]

Yes, you'll need to put new ones on every time you claim your ship. Surge and stampede also only have 5 charges each so you'll be replacing those regularly anyway

[rain mauve]

If I'm mining quant with an mh1 lancet, anyway to speed it up? Its like its stuck at 1/4 of the way without my modules

[ivory gust]

What was the mass of the rock? Above around 5200 mass you need modules

[rain mauve]

6k 😢

[ivory gust]

Yep, you'll need surges to get up to the green with that

[rain mauve]

so I guess I have to leave it behind?

also since I can't get surges at arc l1, any good alternatives?

[ivory gust]

Surge is basically the only module available that lets you mine much larger rocks. Your best bet is to make a trip to HUR L1 in a ship with some internal stowage (e.g., pisces or titan), buy a bunch onto that ship, then ferry them to ARC L1

If chat's working on your server you can potentially offer the rock to someone else for a fee (maybe 50k), but yeah, you'll need to leave it behind

[rain mauve]

Ok, thanks, I'll fly out to hur l1 in my cutty

[cobalt rivet]

Shoot a reverse azimuth to one of the nearby quantum points to mark your location

[rain mauve]

thanks

[jovial matrix]

Is it possible at all to sell SLAM? I have yet to try HUR-L5, but everywhere else hasn’t bought it

[fallen atlas]

I think Grim-Hex is the only place that will buy it? There's a secret terminal somewhere else, but I always forget where

Cru-L5 iirc

[jovial matrix]

Ok

I’ll try grim hex again, but im pretty sure they wouldn’t buy it last night

[fallen atlas]

Keep in mind it's a commodity like any others. If someone else has already sold all they're buying then it won't let you sell.

and it's global

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

I don’t think it even popped up as an option in the terminal, but I’ll check again

[fallen atlas]

Not really worth it though.

You're better off selling laranite or diamond

[jovial matrix]

Yeah ik

[rain mauve]

Around how many quant deposits do I want to mine before I extract and leave?

[jovial matrix]

Just wanted to try something a little more exciting than normal cargo hauling, even if it’s not as profitable

[rain mauve]

If im in a pospector

[ivory gust]

Once you start extracting, quant has a 15min timer before it explodes. You need to get back to the refinery in that time, so you don't have time to do multiple deposits. You also always want to fully break down the rocks you're going to work with before you start extracting.

If you have multiple rocks in a cluster, you can break down several of them and extract that way, but you don't have time to go looking elsewhere for more deposits.

[rain mauve]

Ok thanks

[vestal ravine]

Bummer: I blew up the ROC DS and reclaimed it but still have the same problem. (No laser power) I am going to just scratch this one off the list - unless the Dealer gets me credit - and buy one on my Alt account. Be careful what you buy and get a good warranty that covers replacement within 30 days!!

[ivory gust]

So what exactly is the issue?

Looking at post history, it seems that you've turned on the power in the mining operator chair, but the laser doesn't turn on? Did you try re-binding the keys as I suggested previously?

[sick ether]

How do mining modules work? Are they one use or?

[ivory gust]

Depends on the module. Some are "passive" and always apply their effect. Some are "active" and have to be activated, and those will have max 5 uses before they poof

[sick ether]

so I should go for passives if i want infinite use out of them

[ivory gust]

Yes, although passive modules have a very small effect and don't change things much. The most useful modules are Surge and Stampede (both active) since those let you mine much larger rocks than you otherwise could

[sick ether]

I can already mine massive rocks without modules, I'm willing to wait and control instability to do it

[ivory gust]

You literally can't mine rocks 7k+ without modules

[sick ether]

Fair

Havent met one that big yet tho

[ivory gust]

Are you mining in the halo?

[sick ether]

Erkul doesnt seem to show the modules?

[ivory gust]

Nope. You can get info on what they do from cstone or https://starcitizen.fandom.com/wiki/Mining_module

[sick ether]

cstone?

[ivory gust]

!itemfinder

[wary tusk]

Universal Item Finder

Use the website to search for any item (and where to buy them) in-game.

[ivory gust]

If you're mining in the halo, you don't need modules, you'll be able to mine anything without them

[sick ether]

I'm mining around grim hex

far enough out that no one will find me

[rain mauve]

Is it safe to store all my quant as work orders before I sell it?

[sick ether]

what do you mean by that

Oh you're afraid of your quant detonating

is your ship stored?

@rain mauve

As long as your ship is stored, the quant timer is paused.

[rain mauve]

no I'm asking if I can leave my quant in the refinery after the work order completes

[sick ether]

Yeah it can sit in a work order

[rain mauve]

ok thanks

[sick ether]

It will be lost on any character reset though

So avoid doing a reset unless you have to

What am i looking for when it comes to mining quat?

Less instability and resistance?

should i just go for less resistance?

[fiery cosmos]

You mining on Lyria or in the Halo?

[wicked solar]

anyone wanna do some MOLE mining with me?

[sick ether]

around lyria

[sick ether]

Lancet, I'm willing to wait and use instability to crack large rocks if need be

[shut remnant]

i tried lol

[sick ether]

Yeah, might trade resistance for instability

I have a slider on my joystick, I can control it if need be

[fiery cosmos]

If you’re mining on Lyria you’re going to run into rocks that push 8k mass at times so you’ll need a Surge and a Stampede and then I would run a Vaux 3 to minimize instability

[sick ether]

I dont want to use active modules tho

I hate landing and having to restock stuff like that

[fiery cosmos]

Or if you’re feeling confident just run 2 stampedes. You don’t always hit your mark with them and it takes time to get it right sometimes.

[sick ether]

What exactly is "Laser Power"?

Whats the difference between it and just lowering resistance

[fiery cosmos]

Then you’re limiting yourself to rocks that are under 5k

[sick ether]

I'm in a prospector

5k more often then not already fills my hold

[fiery cosmos]

I would just mine I’m the Halo if you only want to use passives. Save yourself the headache of passing on large mass profitable rocks

True but 32/32 all Quant feels pretty good and you can get that off large mass large percentage rocks

Filling your hold is one thing, “what” you’re filling it with is another

[sick ether]

?

[sick ether]

I meant quantity you know

5k rock, often end up with a full hold

[sick ether]

still dunno what the difference is i cant find anything

[fiery cosmos]

Laser power determines the speed of which you can mine. With trade offs, more power = more instability. I assume you’re asking because your considering using a more powerful laser.

[sick ether]

I'm using a lancet, as iirc its the best quant laser

[fiery cosmos]

It is

[sick ether]

So Laser Power is just Resistance in a different form?

Better power laser does the same as less resistance?

[fiery cosmos]

Not sure tbh

Test it out and report back plz

[sick ether]

might be a multiplicative thing

[fiery cosmos]

Perhaps

[sick ether]

Like +6% mining power and -10% resistance, seperate, are alright, but effectively do more when used together

[fiery cosmos]

Test it out

[ivory gust]

Grim HEX isn't Lyria

[fiery cosmos]

I’d love a definitive answer

[sick ether]

I dont have the tools or knowledge to test it out with certainty 😅

[fiery cosmos]

Anyone can test, you really just need the time and in game currency

[sick ether]

Again, I've been relying on instability to really crack quant rocks

I barely know how its meant to look/feel

[ivory gust]

I don't think anyone has done lots of investigation into the relationship between power and resistance. Anecdotally, resistance seems to have a much smaller effect on "power" than laser power and mass do--even if you get resistance really low, you still won't make progress on a 7k rock with a Lancet

[fiery cosmos]

I’ve been away for 5ish months and have just recently started mining again. I’m still trying to figure out the value and best use practices of the new mining gadgets.

[ivory gust]

Value: Approximately zero
Best use: Sitting in the shop un-purchased

[fiery cosmos]

That’s what I’d feared based on what I’ve learned so far. Sadge really

[sick ether]

ill run this and report back if it feels more powerful, but im not gonna do any in depth

and yes, ik instability is off the charts. idc

[fiery cosmos]

You will care

Run a Vaux 3

[ivory gust]

They do allow you to mine quant with a rented prospector, but you have to get out and put the Sabir on every single chunk you want to break which is really dull. Plus, they often seem to get lost when a rock breaks

[fiery cosmos]

Yea, useless.

[sick ether]

ill report back if i turn to scrap then as well

[fiery cosmos]

Remember, you lose all modules if you go boom and have to claim.

[sick ether]

i have a mil left of my bugged 6m

ill be fine

[ivory gust]

Note that if you're feeling particularly frisky you can also do quant with an Impact laser and the Brandt active module, but you'll need to use a charge of the Brandt on basically every chunk you want to break

[fiery cosmos]

Look, let’s all be honest, the best way to mine, is with a friend ❤️

It’ll always be the most efficient way to crack rocks

[sick ether]

i'd happily do that if we could transfer/equal ore at the refinery

[fiery cosmos]

You just do the math and the one who carries the goods pays the other once the haul is safe in the refinery.

I used to solo mine in my MOLE and pay a scout ship 20-30%

Just to find clusters and occasionally hop on a secondary laser for large mass rocks

Averaging 500k a load got everyone well paid

[sick ether]

im trying to fill a caterpillar full of quant

With a few little bits here and there of other minerals from bad cracks

[jovial matrix]

That is risky as hell

If the server 30K’s while you’re transporting that quant, if a griefer interdicts you, if you crash (either to desktop or into the ground), you’re going to be losing an unreal amount of money in one go

[fiery cosmos]

I’ve lost a half load in an M2. Super ouch.

[jovial matrix]

Exactly

Just take it a few loads at a time in something like a cutty, freelancer, connie, etc, and save yourself the potential sadness

[foggy spear]

But the memes....

I don't have the balls to risk that though.

[jovial matrix]

Not worth it for the meme

[ivory gust]

30k should usually be safe due to the 30k protection though

[jovial matrix]

Fair

Still a risk though

[rugged axle]

Don't worry about the "risk" too much

[sick ether]

why cant i scan most of these rocks ffs

[ivory gust]

unscannables. welcome to mining in star citizen in 2022

Can try getting out of your pilot seat and sitting back down, that sometimes gets rid of them (temporarily)

[fiery cosmos]

I haven’t had an issue with unscannables on planet. Only in space

[rugged axle]

Hop servers and hop for a healthier one

[sick ether]

I've checked out 20 clusters

I could only scan 2 of them.

what. the fuck.

[fiery cosmos]

Try that trick someone posted earlier

[sick ether]

i have been. Not working

[fiery cosmos]

Oof

[sick ether]

unless you mean the swap server

[fiery cosmos]

Go to Lyria

Nah, I meant the “remove mining equipment”

[sick ether]

i didnt see that one

can you link it

[sick ether]

I found 1 quant rock. 5100 mass. 2.10% quant

https://tenor.com/buyOr.gif

[fiery cosmos]

He said his duds went from like 80% down to 50%

[fiery cosmos]

Bruh you find those everywhere on Lyria. Go to Lyria.

[sick ether]

Im at Lyria, im in the rings around it

is there some other lyria place i can mine?

[fiery cosmos]

On planet

[sick ether]

with a prospector?

[fiery cosmos]

Why not

[delicate girder]

Wow, that's a weird fix for decreasing duds on scans!

[sick ether]

i didnt even know you can mine on a planet with a prospector

[fiery cosmos]

I can’t confirm it works but he said it did for him

[sick ether]

I dont wanna go to the halo cause of jump time

[delicate girder]

I the past, using one Prospector on Liria was a bummer some times because you quite often encounter rocks too big to break, but now with attachments you can break them, so the Prospector is even more viable than before.

[fiery cosmos]

Live out of ARC L1, Lyria is a short jump from there

[sick ether]

Just realized

I've been confusing Yela and Lyria

https://tenor.com/bJwYb.gif

Does Lyria have rings or anything

also is ARC-L1 a refinery?

[regal sun]

Yela Is in Crusader and has a ring

[sick ether]

yeah i figured as much now

[regal sun]

Lyria Is In arccorp

[sick ether]

Also if I claim my Prospector (without blowing it up) do I lose modules?

[regal sun]

And ARC-L1 Is a mining station

Yeah

At least you do with the MOLE

[sick ether]

so if i need to switch ship i should take them off and cargo them over with me first

[regal sun]

Haven't used the prosp In a while

Just stow the prosp at a station and don't claim It

Or you can take off the modules and leave them In the station Inv

[sick ether]

Its more i need to move a half full cargo ship as well

and it would be faster if i could claim the prosp

so i can move the modules onto my cargo ship and take it with me, claim prospector, and install them on the other side.

[regal sun]

Yeah

You can do that

Whatever Is easiest

And safest lol

[ivory gust]

That's not lyria. Oh, you figured it out, nvm

[sick ether]

.

[fiery cosmos]

He’s on the right track now

[ivory gust]

I'd recommend going and selling the "half full" part before moving it somewhere

[sick ether]

gonna hop off for now I'm tired af.

[sick ether]

whys that

[ivory gust]

To avoid potential issues that could cause you to lose the cargo

[jovial matrix]

ayyyyy the terminal actually exists at CRU-L5

I can sell my slam woooo

it also bought all of it like immediately wth

[vestal ravine]

I double tapped the "Y" for Left mouse button on the laser mining mode in options. So that setting has been correct and I will give the DS one more chance to perform or it dies.

[ivory gust]

That's not what I suggested...

On the option in keybindings, right click it to UNBIND it entirely, and then re-bind it to left mouse button or whatever you want

That's what fixed things for me back when I was having issues with the laser not working. Had to do that every time I launched the game, though. The setting still said that it was assigned to the right button, but it didn't actually work until I went through that dance of unbind->rebind

[vestal ravine]

Okay, I did that unbind process, thanks Chris and all.

[vestal ravine]

Final update on a sale of 24 SCU
on the Nomad ship of the Vice drug SLAM.
Bought at the “Private Property” site
on Cellin orbiting Crusader.

Sold at the CRU L5
“No Questions Asked” terminal over 4 days.

20 terminal sessions and two were “sold out”
altogether.

Bought at 130.0 per unit

Selling prices varied between
154.00 and 174.00 per unit.

Capital investment of: $313,447.00
Sold for: $393,048.00

Profit: $79,601.00

[marble crater]

that's really good for a small hauler

[jovial matrix]

Except it took 4 days lmao

[cobalt rivet]

Can make that much in a single bunker

[jovial matrix]

As a fellow drug dealer, why don’t you just trade Etam instead? Sure, it’s not as profitable as SLAM, but you can sell it faster. Same thing with widow, sells for more, but you have to wait so long to sell it that it just isn’t worth it

[cobalt rivet]

You drug peddlers make me sick!

[jovial matrix]

Someone’s gotta supply Stanton

[vestal ravine]

I will probably try some of the other vices depending where they can be sold at. I based myself at CruL5 while I ran the test and sometimes I would log in only long enough to pop a sale which is just up on the galleria level. Or I would then go off and do my other game play. Time is relative. I just spent 2.5 hours mining Hadanite for 23K. I don't do bunkers or space bounties so I can't count that gameplay type as an issue to judge against.

[jovial matrix]

You can sell neon and etam at the reclamation and disposal orinth site on hurston, and grimhex buys widow, neon, and etam

Dunno about lorville, supposedly they buy drugs but I don’t know if that’s true or not yet

Also widow sells incredibly slowly so I wouldn’t recommend

[vestal ravine]

No way I'm near Grim Hex to sell some dope lol. Or traveling around with it unless they take like 80% of it. I will see what else the NQA terminals take that is the key to this whole thing the Nomad is like a personal hanger. Its stays parked.

[jovial matrix]

Fair, grim hex is sketchy

Also, on average, how much slam were you able to sell at once at the hidden terminal? I sold some today, and they took my 10SCU in like 2 back-to-back batches of 5SCU per

[vestal ravine]

The biggest sale was 500 units for 82K.

[jovial matrix]

Took less than 5 minutes, which I wasn’t expecting

[jovial matrix]

So 5SCU, cool thanks

[vestal ravine]

Well I brought both ROC's out and the DS had the same problem. I am going to ditch it and buy a new DS on the other account. Will be a good test. Maybe a third party can try it in the field. Thanks for the help!

[vestal ravine]

Looks like CRU L4 has a NQA terminal so I can try that Widow there.

[jovial matrix]

Oh really? I’ll have to try there aswell, thank you

I’ve got some widow waiting to be sold at grim hex, so hopefully that works, cause grim is super slow

[vestal ravine]

whats your main trading ship?

[jovial matrix]

Was using a 315P, but I’m using a cutty black now

[vestal ravine]

Thats pretty cool was one of my first ships.

[jovial matrix]

Yeah, I wish I had bought mine earlier than I did, cause I really like it

[devout comet]

Can u buy a prospector at a18

?

[jovial matrix]

It’s bought at lorville, on Hurston

[devout comet]

Ugh hate lorville

Thanks

[jovial matrix]

lol, np

[devout comet]

How can I get to Aaron's halo band from arc l1?

[jovial matrix]

just checked, you can sell SLAM, widow, neon, and etam at the terminal, but etam and neon sell for way below what I bought them for, so its not worth it to sell them there. Dont know how much the widow and the slam sold for though, I wasnt looking

[ivory gust]

https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[devout comet]

Oh ya das some good stuff

[jovial matrix]

Nice

[devout comet]

One 5122 30% rock had like 4 or 5 100% quant pieces

First time mining in while

Ummm anyone mining rn?

Just found 7 Quant rocks

[devout comet]

I get lucky once then I spend 1 hour and 30 mins tryna find a dam rock but 90% of them are dumb ghost rocks

And get nothin

[sick ether]

If I jump from hurston to arccorp where do I need to stop for the halo

[vestal ravine]

Where you mining at for these? Good going you will be the next millionaire!

[devout comet]

Just the halo

[vestal ravine]

Look at the Cornerstone charts. It has the jump out distances for the key transit routes. Once there you can do mini hops to get to new areas.

[north oyster]

https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

This will cover every point from each Refinery (maybe not the new ones that were tossed out in 3.17.2). It will give you drop points for each band.

Also @sick ether do you now the trick about removing the laser head to decrease dud scans? Also do you know how to do Active Angle Ping scanning?

[devout comet]

Wait dud scans

That's what I was doing

Omfg lol

Do I just not have the mining head out or is there more to it?

[misty coyote]

The mining head has an amazing scanner on it.

Is there a difference between each ship's scanner?

The Connie Taurus seems to have a great one....

Or I just got better at scanning....

[north oyster]

this is the trick to get less dud scans of asteroids-

1. remove laser head from ship
2. spawn ship
3. stow ship
4. restore laser head and consumables (surge)

Also, you will need to know about Ping degrees and how to use them to scan for asteroids.

You ping with the Mining gear deployed

[north oyster]

The mining unit deployed will let you ID asteroids up to 12Km away

A focused ping of 2 degrees will give you and ID of the type. If no ID, then it is a dud

[devout comet]

Yes that whatsvi was doing but 90% of them won't then ping but the mining wouldn't scan then

Or recognize them

[devout comet]

So I do this eveytime I go to mine?

[north oyster]

I do, just as a precaution. It changed my dud rate from 80% bad to about 50% bad scan

Last trip almost got me a Unicorn ... 31.99 SCU of Quan

[devout comet]

Dam lucky

[devout comet]

Oh ok

[north oyster]

LUCK = Labor Under Correct Knowledge 🙂

[devout comet]

Debatable there is some luck involved to get almost a perfect cargo of Quant but you can lower it with knowledge

But it doesn't help half the rocks are broken

I almost died from dehydration u was looking for a rock for so long

[north oyster]

Food and Water is the one thing I'm very sure to keep stowed in armor and ship. Plus I rehydrate and eat on every refinery stop

[worthy scroll]

I just do the smoothies that give food and water.

Living that liquid diet.

[jovial matrix]

Exactly

[cobalt rivet]

Protein smoothies :)...

[misty coyote]

I like that toilets are in the game, equally I'm glad you're not forced to use them

Or that liquid protein diet could end badly.

[cobalt rivet]

What if this is secretly planned for 4.0

mid fight and you get the runs

the ship with crew bathroom will look more appealing

[misty coyote]

What of you're in a multi crew ship, and everyone gets the shits?

[jovial matrix]

That’s what the airlocks on ships like the connie are for

[misty coyote]

Spacing your shipmates in their brown filled suits?

[jovial matrix]

Nah, shitting out the side

[cobalt rivet]

in space, no one can hear you poot

[stoic harbor]

full hold lets go

[jovial matrix]

Nice

[stoic harbor]

was only mining for maybe 30 or 40 min XD

[cobalt rivet]

dat like 260k

[stoic harbor]

Let's goo!!

[plush maple]

Viscera cleanup crew

[worthy scroll]

Distortion Vulture builds incoming!

Time for some aggressive salvaging.

[jovial matrix]

Lol

[burnt storm]

do you need mining modules or something to mine

I'm having issues with my prospector once the rocks get around 100 mass or so, they no longer tell me what the charge level is.

[night lake]

Shouldn’t have issues with scanning. Probably bugged. Try log out via your bed and relogging

[burnt storm]

oh I see is that when I'm supposed to swap to the extraction mode? I guess I was expecting it to work more like gem mining

[night lake]

Oh I see. Yeah you need to switch to mining mode

[cosmic sparrow]

so whats up with the randomly exploding quant? the timers don't work now?

[night lake]

Someone mentioned to me, and I do it on large quant loads, is to get yourself impounded

[cosmic sparrow]

had a full load of quant, jumped out of the 5th ring with 12 minutes left, and I land to the beeper going nuts, the screen telling me to jetison my cargo and then boom

I didn't even have time for that

I bearly got to the elevator

[night lake]

No don’t even land. Just pull up to a bay and get impounded

[cosmic sparrow]

how does that work?

[night lake]

It will auto store your ship

And you appear by the terminals

[cosmic sparrow]

how long does it take?

[night lake]

Once you pull up to the bay it’s like a 40 second timer

[cosmic sparrow]

even that was too long...

I don't think it took me that long to land tbh

[night lake]

I think it’s a bug on landing. Try that next time it happens

[ivory gust]

It's plenty of time. The issue happens when you land and causes the quant to immediately run out of time, so if you don't land you bypass the issue.

Never land, always impound

[ivory gust]

You can tell by the color outline of the rock. Yellow outline = need to break the rock, purple outline = can extract

[cosmic sparrow]

I forgot what modules to buy now 😦

[ivory gust]

Mining on lyria: surge, stampede
Mining in halo: whatever you want, you don't need anything in particular

[cosmic sparrow]

thanks, I was just trying the halo again, but now I'm getting a ton of unscannable
rocks

[ivory gust]

Try getting out of your pilot seat and back in (in game, not irl)--that gets rid of unscannables temporarily for me

but yeah, halo is mostly unscannables at this point, I switched to lyria for that reason

[cosmic sparrow]

I got sick of needing help on lyria which is why I went to the halo

[ivory gust]

what did you need help on lyria with? You can break up to like 8k rocks solo with surge/stampede, 7k and under is easy-ish

[hollow sedge]

what is the least amount of auec i need to start trading successfully or fairly decently

[ivory gust]

if you already have the C2 or caterpillar, 1M
If you don't already have the C2 or cat, add 5M to that

[hollow sedge]

i have around 1.5 mil and i don't mind renting ships

any tips?

[ivory gust]

If you really want to try trading, you can rent an Andromeda and use that, but it won't make you very much money

Trading is not in a good place right now for any ships that cost under 4.5M

[cosmic sparrow]

can anyone help me crack a rock on Lyria?

7305 at 22.28%

[ivory gust]

Just use a surge/stampede...

[cosmic sparrow]

If I had the money to buy it I would

I'm running Vaux, Torrent, and Focus atm

[ivory gust]

you can try asking your server but you'll probably just get someone who wants to kill you

[cosmic sparrow]

thats why I asked here

smh

[hollow sedge]

@ivory gust what do you recommend for me at the moment?

if not trading then..

[ivory gust]

Do something other than trading. If you're looking for non-combat ways of making money, mining

[hollow sedge]

i only have an aurora lol

[ivory gust]

You can rent a Cutlass and ROC at a refinery station and use those to get up to 2.2M-ish to buy yourself a prospector

[hollow sedge]

after the 3.18 patch does it reset the amount of auec a person has?

[ivory gust]

Probably, yes. All we know is that there will be a wipe, we don't know what all will be wiped. Definitely items, probably money, maybe rep

[hollow sedge]

then f it i cba

🤣

[ivory gust]

Yeah, not really a great time to be grinding. Just try what's fun. Unfortunately you can't borrow someone else's ship to try trading since only the ship owner can buy/sell to it

[hollow sedge]

ive heard people have like tons of auec tho

👀 might need to find a donor

[vestal ravine]

I think I may have solved the no laser power on the Roc DS... I bought a "new" one for my Alt account and found some Dolivine. While preparing to shut the power off and move over to the laser station I began to wonder if this is like the Mole center turret. If you shut that power off the ship plummets to the ground. You must only use Y to head back to the Bridge area. So that's what I did just used Y to vacate the seat and once in the other station the laser fired right up. Now I'm going to go back to the other DS with the same routine and see what happens!!

[ivory gust]

...you've been shutting off the power to the entire roc and wondering why it has no power?

[vestal ravine]

Yea I heard some guy had 1.1 billion boost to his account! Could be phony a rich guy could buy that much on EBay and just say CIG flaw gave it to him.

[vestal ravine]

Yes the laser station has its own power on pick. The other power is for the drive train and lights.

[ivory gust]

No, the pilot/driver controls the power for the entire vehicle.

It's the opposite of the MOLE--you don't shut off power in the pilot's seat before going to the turret

Does any ship turret have power when the ship itself is shut off?

[vestal ravine]

I wasn't on the Mole but I was dropping power in the center turret.

[ivory gust]

The issue with the MOLE is a bug where shutting off power in the center turret shuts off power for everything.

In the ROC, the driver is the "primary" seat and controls power for everything. Shutting off power there would be like shutting off the power in the MOLE's pilot seat before switching to a turret

Glad you've figured it out, though--sorry I didn't think to ask that

[vestal ravine]

I will head out and make sure! EDIT: Okay the laser is firing on all cylinders!! Wish they would include an instruction manual on using this high tech equipment.

[fast glacier]

man

im always getting pirated when I trade

I lost 2 million 😦

im so broke now

[jovial matrix]

RIP

How did you lose 2mil? Did you have a full C2 of meds get pirated twice or something?

[fast glacier]

I was doing full loads of widow etam neon altru

on a freelancer max

1 million each

[jovial matrix]

Yikes

Those drugs are profitable, but you should only do them in small batches at a time

Because 1, losing a full load of drugs is a shitton of money gone, and 2, because drugs sell in very small quantities at a time, so that load would take you a long time to sell

Also, widow and slam have a higher profit margin than neon and etam, however selling widow and slam takes a fair bit longer than selling etam and neon, so I’d recommend just sticking to etam and neon

[fast glacier]

yeah

well im beyond broke now

so

man I was so close to buying a c2 😦

[cunning agate]

How's hand mining these days? Used to love to chill out and find clusters of hand minables.

[jovial matrix]

I love that screenshot

[devout comet]

can someone explain how to use surges and stuff for mining on lyria with a prospector without blowing up the rock?

[vestal ravine]

Some people, like me, take 20 -30 sessions before you get the hang of it, especially that Quant. Just back down your power quicker when you get close to the first bar. If it gets in the red move the laser off the rock. let her cool down then start heating up again.

[devout comet]

and i use 2 surges and a stampede yes?

[ivory gust]

https://youtu.be/72mOC283iUs

[humble magnet]

There's a real drive from CIG to promote stupid piracy in game. Anyone know if there is a more serious org that operates quick anti pirate response out there ?

[vestal ravine]

There are people and orgs that will help you in a heartbeat but finding and trusting one in open chat is real dicey. I've had people turn out to be liars and traitors that will back stab you, etc. Since I like Roc mining I've bought an A2 and a C2 as the transport vessel. These are beefy ships that give you more time to get away safely and it's fun trying to park them on moons like Magda. Otherwise if I am GOING TO a site to mine and attacked will just use F4 to save my personal gear. Generally I get attacked in bad luck "waves" that will eventually fade back to where I get a good run of say 10-12 mining sessions no problems. And now that I am going on about this I expect to be attacked in some fashion. The more you mine or haul the more good runs you will have so stay with it. There are lots of other mitigation techniques you can do.

[vestal ravine]

I use one Surge, 1 stampede then a filtration module. You will probably fill up the ship before you need more than 5 Surges.

[vestal ravine]

Just found out the Hull A ship can be called up on the Platinum Bay mining station pads. This changes everything.

[devout comet]

What is the stampede used for?

[fiery cosmos]

Speeds up the charge rate. Once you get in the green with the Surges, you hit the Stampede to complete the fracturing process before the power from the surges falls out of the optimal zone.

[devout comet]

Ohh ok, ya so def needed

[misty coyote]

If you fit 3 FLTR Modules onto your Lancet, does it drive the extraction rate down to unmanageable levels?

[ivory gust]

There is no way that a response can be quick enough. If a pirate wants to kill you, you're dead and the only people that can help are people already on your ship.

Miners and cargo haulers are meant to be just food for pirates in this game, that's how it works

[devout comet]

Yea rip all my money

[ivory gust]

That may change in the future when there's long term consequences for being a pirate, but for now it's a free for all and criminals risk nothing

[devout comet]

And I risk everything, hope they change it at some point

[ivory gust]

Check back in a few years

[fiery cosmos]

When you’re risking that much money, why not pay an escort?

[plush maple]

Greed lol

[fiery cosmos]

“Risk”

[stoic harbor]

anyone loze there head?? XD

[ivory gust]

Because even if you split the profit 50/50 with someone, a potential escort would be much better off just running bounty missions

The problem is that the way freight works right now, you risk 500k to make 100k in 20min.

[fiery cosmos]

I’d never split profit if I was taking all the risk. Some people don’t like doing bounties and would probably follow you around for 30k 🤷🏻‍♂️.

Just out of curiosity, what ship jumped you and killed you and what ship are you running cargo with??

[ivory gust]

I'm not the one who got jumped in this case.

30k still heavily cuts into the profits of the hauler currently. We'll need to see what profits are like after cargo refactor

[jovial matrix]

Yup

[ivory gust]

Escort irrelevant anyway since the pirate could just one shot you in an eclipse

[devout comet]

Because I am broke?? Tryna make money

[devout comet]

I'm mining not doing cargo

Because you can't make much profit with cargo rn

[devout comet]

Or retalitor

[misty coyote]

I'd suggest that one shotting isn't exactly pirating.

[ivory gust]

You're right, it's worse, but when cargo refactor happens and pirates can just take the stuff from your corpse, there's no reason for them not to

[misty coyote]

It's all supposition here...

But a torp in the cargo ship might do something to the cargo.

You'd have to get yourself into the ship... Boarding action!!.. Then... Who cares about losing cargo, this is content!

No idea how they will stop griefers... A rating system?... Then how to stop smeer campaigns....

Either way..... No point even trying if the cargo isn't worth the effort even without pirating as a blocker...

[ivory gust]

It's "content" in which one person risks losing literally hours of work and the other person risks literally nothing.

[misty coyote]

Yeah.......I dunno..... I would be annoyed at that too...

If they made it really profitable

It's the risking nothing... That's the thing that needs addressing

If they take the cargo..... Its considered stolen so can't be sold for top profit?

[ivory gust]

Yep. Allegedly will be fixed in the future with persistent rep, but who knows how far away that is

[ivory gust]

We don't know at this point

[misty coyote]

Nope.... But it's a lark to spitball ideas right?

[ivory gust]

Ehhhhh my worry about that is getting my hopes up and then having the reality turn out to be worse

[misty coyote]

This is true.... Flights of fancy oft crash hardest....

[reef narwhal]

Well hello there

[wary tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-general-kenobi-star-wars-grevious-gif-17774326

[delicate relic]

thoughts on railen?

[marble crater]

looks amazing with a great interior. think if you want a cool ship to cruise around in that can move some cargo it's a great buy. trade in itself is so far off being a full featured gameplay loop though

[delicate relic]

cool, cool.

[ivory gust]

Massively overpriced for what it offers due to the alien tax

[delicate relic]

really? 200 is very middle road for its cargo and size and shields. ( imho )

I think it will be a nice blockade runner.

• whatever gameloop makes money by having the only alien living needs so far. Also its the larges alien ship that you can buy (iirc unless brainfarting ). and from the largest perspective I feel it is very cheap? ( large as in main body and cargo, not just area of the large X )

but cargo is smaller. and external.

I may swap it to a Hull C eventully if it dosnt pan out the way I expect ( REALLY want a Q ship )

[marble crater]

agreed gorgeous alien ship with 2 S3 shields and 300+ scu for $220 is very cheap all things considered

[delicate relic]

ya, I am hoping its gonna be nifty. and worst case senario, it will jump in price on release, I get an idea to keep or not, then upgrade to the Hull C Discreet when announced if I dont like it.

Q ship game play sopunds like a blast once live. Gonna suprise some pirates hopefully LOL!

[ivory gust]

Hull B closest competitor, 384 SCU for $140

I expect the Railen to go up to at least $300 on release, so a ccu to it is probably a good investment

[delicate relic]

I was thinking hull c to replace it if I dont like it cause the hull C is only one confirmed even remotly to be getting a Q ship version.

[marble crater]

yeah I wouldn't even spend $50 on the Hull B myself

[acoustic garnet]

what is the SCU of hull B?

is it 384

[ivory gust]

Yes

[acoustic garnet]

is that Hull Concept exposed cargo?

[ivory gust]

But it's years away. Hull C is at least being worked on

Yes, all Hull models carry their cargo externally

[acoustic garnet]

i feel that teh Hull models will have inharent loss of cargo issues

why i dont really wanna get 1

[delicate relic]

and an early backer milestone was a Hull C Q ship varient.

And iirc q&a's implied all hull series can replace cargo palets with hardpoints in some way.

[acoustic garnet]

my backer # is like in the 2 mill range so i know nothing of that variant

[delicate relic]

oh was just something I read recently

I an super new

just do a lot of reading since retired somewhjat

[acoustic garnet]

never heard of that variant but the Hull series doesnt really intrest me outside of hull E

[ivory gust]

Hull C (and above) can't land loaded though, which given the current state of cargo means you won't be doing anything other than scrap

[acoustic garnet]

i know

[delicate relic]

The Q ship will be a hidden atack version of a Hull C. I.E. flying around looking all normal, all of a sudden cargo containers fly off reveling guns and missles, LOTS of guns and missles. ( lots of assumptions on how they will do stuff on my part lol )

[acoustic garnet]

but most of any SC play i do will be either industrial or Medical

prob deep space medical

[delicate relic]

I think my first career will be towtruck driver in a srv on release 😛

tisk tisk tisk, you can park here. Another ship for my fleet.

[acoustic garnet]

I might do CArgo only as a result of Mining

i want the Orion

if that is what it is called

[delicate relic]

cap mining ship?

ya

[acoustic garnet]

this thing if it links

[delicate relic]

ya

you look at pioneer?

[acoustic garnet]

i want this bad

and no

[delicate relic]

not mining, but building. its made for landing on a planet and building an outpost.

[acoustic garnet]

this thing? it looks sexy

[delicate relic]

just an idea of intresting cap ship game play if orion intrest yua

ya

[acoustic garnet]

what it for

[delicate relic]

making bases

[acoustic garnet]

interesting

[delicate relic]

building outposts or maybe landing pads n stuff for orgs

we dont know how far it will go, But iirc it was the only ship taht was actully sold with a land deed for ingame land ownership.

and once it builds a outpost, it can keep adding on to make it a setelment, whateven that will mean on realease lol,.

[acoustic garnet]

this is the only Capital ship i own "Endeavor"

[delicate relic]

that one seems like it will have a lot of cool uses. But. iirc it is expected to be one of the last ships implemented in game and might even be after release.

[acoustic garnet]

i will use it as a floating Hospital

what is the Iirc

[delicate relic]

i i r c = if I recall correctly

short hand internet slang

my biggest ship is the liberator. I may get something bigger, but most likley to loan out/rent to an org once game is realeased

[acoustic garnet]

too old for this slang crap and im only 25

[delicate relic]

haha, Im 43

[acoustic garnet]

i grew up without cell phones

[delicate relic]

grew up listen to records and playing on a pc

at the same time

[acoustic garnet]

speak military slang i will get that more than chat/ text slang

[delicate relic]

I know chairforce mechanic speak

[acoustic garnet]

F-35 mechanical

F-15 mec?

[delicate relic]

but thats just cursing and bitching about leadership LOL

16 crew chief

[acoustic garnet]

ah close

everyone seems to be f 16

[delicate relic]

they popular and plentful

[acoustic garnet]

i was at Hill AFB when the F=16 were phased out in 2017

[delicate relic]

I mean I could be talking about so many countries airforce also 😛

got out in 2010

[acoustic garnet]

sad sight

i liked the f-16

[delicate relic]

mostly worked on wild weasels so taht was cool!

[acoustic garnet]

drawing a blank on that

[delicate relic]

"YGBSM"?

they are the sead/dead ops jets

[acoustic garnet]

i should know that and im drawign a blank harder

[delicate relic]

so the sead is fly at sam till they shoot you. so the op / squadron motto is "you got to be shitting me"

always got a kick out of that

[acoustic garnet]

my unit's moto was dumb

[delicate relic]

MAUCH better that that ammo shit LOL

[acoustic garnet]

but the history of the unit was really cool

[delicate relic]

some units have a really long past. intresting to read up on it.

[acoustic garnet]

ares started up as Army air core in 1943 and we were the first combat ready P-38 unit i belive if my memory serves correct

[delicate relic]

and old jets are fun cause your putting a panel back on and wounder why this thing is such a pita. Then learn it mid air colided with another f16 5 years ago LOL. Or it gear up landed.

[acoustic garnet]

we broke off to form are unit off of another unit

[delicate relic]

338?

[acoustic garnet]

better yet all you need to do is panel up and go home but the panel wont align

[delicate relic]

LOL ya, drives me crazy, freaking stuff can t line up and ya need 3 people to force panel in place to get it started.

somewhat related. I was so jelous watching a f22 guy at nellis to a ground engine run with a freaking laptop sitting next to jet. f35 similar?

[acoustic garnet]

sorry it might have been the P-47

i cant remember

it was a P- something

34th

i fucking hate the f-35 nothing works as intended but i cant really talk too much about shit on it but the F22 program is much more developed

i was only around F-22's 1 or 2 times

[delicate relic]

ahh, ya I thought it was pretty cool seeing them at redflag nellis. but may they where but hurt and uptight. We stickered the jet or there sq logo or something and they fucking went to leadership. Danm babies.

we being our sq. I didnt participate so not sure what actully got our sticker on it. But we all had to listen to the chewing out we got.

[acoustic garnet]

we got yelled at on a command level for drawing penis's in the intakes of the F-35

[delicate relic]

haha.

[acoustic garnet]

yea that was a "fun" command call

[delicate relic]

any 7 levels play tic tac to or stuff in intake ?

during inspections. iirc we had a few that did that for shits and giggles for a while

[acoustic garnet]

are turn times were like 1 hour and if we had leaks or grease in the fan section we had probs so no

[delicate relic]

but its been a long bit.

yuck LOL grease and leakes in fan section. Glad I didnt have to deal with that haha

[acoustic garnet]

the f-35 leak tollarances are super super tight like too many drops per Min is a huge issue worth grounding

[delicate relic]

I got to pass out tho. been up way to late. ( oh ya same on 16. maybe more drips per min, but drips per min was how we measured everything. I just dont recall it even inside the intake.

[acoustic garnet]

we dont play no russian roulet like the heavies do

16 per min was way more than we got

[delicate relic]

16 as in the jet.

[acoustic garnet]

ah

i see

[delicate relic]

I dont recall the drops per min in the slightes, was diffrent for every fluid and location lol

[acoustic garnet]

hydrozeen is scary

i do not miss having to worry about that shit

[delicate relic]

but wouldnt suprise me it was more. but the intake iirc was normally dry. that was the ick comment.

I had one go off near me, ( hydrzine ) and been doused in jp8 and been doused in hydrolic fluid LOL.

but I do got to run. talk tomorrow maybe.

[acoustic garnet]

have a good one

worst coverage for me was 800 degree oil

burned my forarms and hands

lucky for me i had PPE on

line blew when i was under the aircraft

[delicate relic]

fuu, nothing much stays at that temp on the f16. even on a hot day righ after landing the engine oil will burn but nowhere near 800

[acoustic garnet]

after lands for the day

[delicate relic]

cant remember hydro temps tho

[acoustic garnet]

it might have been less than 800 but the pilot told me 800

[delicate relic]

pilots dont know jack shit

lol

[acoustic garnet]

oh it hurt plenty

it was deff fucking hot an melted my clothes'

i got super lucky

[delicate relic]

oh ya, but that dont need 800deg. what was it, engine oil or hydro?

[acoustic garnet]

i had like 7 layers on so not a lot of the heat got to me bad

engin oil

i had to do an engin on inspection when it was on teh spot after lands

to see what was up

winter

[delicate relic]

hurm. I know a f16 in winter after landing with engine freshly shutdown has down right cold oil.

[acoustic garnet]

went to look at a leak port and it went pop

[delicate relic]

like can pour it all over my hands

[acoustic garnet]

i could never do that with a 35

straight up

[delicate relic]

has realllly effecient oil coolers.

[acoustic garnet]

like 20 min after shutdown that shit is still hella hot

[delicate relic]

during summer it will burn right after shutdown, but any liquid proof gloves will keep it from really doing any damage.

[acoustic garnet]

in summer, winter about 5 min after shutdown it was good

[delicate relic]

intresting. likley more modern designed engine that stays closer to a set tolerance temp wise regardeless of ambient temp

ya, in winter I kid ya not, cold danm near instantly.

could fucking play in it lol

[acoustic garnet]

ight i wont hold you longer

[delicate relic]

k hahah gnight

[acoustic garnet]

night

[willow grail]

Is the MOLE ok now?

[prisma scarab]

I use it perfectly fine.

[willow grail]

I asked because last patch people were complaining so I just wanted to know if its fixed

[vestal ravine]

Here's a bare bones "Trade Score Sheet" in Word 97 if so interested...

[prisma scarab]

No idea then. Im pretty new and mine I lyria and seem to go ok. I hear some complaining of scanning in asteroids though but that’s a prospector thing to

[willow grail]

Well glad to hear you can mine with it, thank you

[prisma scarab]

Just don’t turn the turret power off. Lol I hear that turns the ship off but I never turn them off anyway so never bothers me just exit the seats. Enjoy it I love using it over the prospector

[misty coyote]

If you press i, turn off the thrusters rather than the ship. That will protect against floaty claims

[north oyster]

MOLE is fully operational except the power bug that Havocide mentioned.
Scan in the Halo is improved if you remove the laser head, spawn the Prosecutor, stow and restore.
Also active angle ping is vital in the Halo

Also, when adding the laser back to the Prospector, save that before adding consumables

[misty coyote]

Ah... So the Mole has some problem? I didn't read too far up..... I never paid attention in class...

[digital kestrel]

whats the optimal mole set up for mining quant?

[bronze saffron]

Should i buy the mole or the prospector?

[worthy scroll]

Do you want to mine by yourself or with others?

[digital kestrel]

whats the best refining method?

[bronze saffron]

Both

[worthy scroll]

If you want other people to mine in a ship with you, then the Mole is your only option right now. The downside is, it's a royal pain to use solo. It's simply not designed for it.

If you go Prospector and your buddies also have Prospectors, you can run around gangbanging rocks.

[bronze saffron]

Alright thank you!

[obtuse sand]

dinyx i think, slowest but gives nearly 100% yield and super cheap

you’re not really in a rush to sell for mining so

[misty coyote]

I always use the very slow high yield

[fast glacier]

bugs are killing me

I had 150k of laranite

and when I try to get out of my ship to sell

I glitch through space and time

[worthy scroll]

Alt+F4 out. So long as you've landed at a designated landing area (you called for landing and landed), your ship should store there and you can log in and sell it.

I have to do that fairly often when the elevator door punts me to oblivion.

[round inlet]

Slam or Neon help

[ivory gust]

Neither

Drugs are bad

It'll take you hours to sell them all

[round inlet]

im talking about trading not taking the package

[ivory gust]

So am I

Drugs seem to have good profit on paper, but demand is very low so it will take a long time to sell them

[round inlet]

what u mean sell them all? i just go to another trade terminal and sell it, right?

[ivory gust]

In theory yes, but the other trade terminal does not have unlimited demand, so you'll have to spend a lot of time trying to sell all of it

But really, just go try it

[round inlet]

i can see the quantity i can sell at the other terminal?

[ivory gust]

Not until you're at the selling terminal

[round inlet]

welp ty anyway

[round inlet]

legal goods trading is still good toh?

[ivory gust]

Only in a C2 or Caterpillar

[round inlet]

yeh im taking the C2

but the profit is good?

[ivory gust]

It's decent

[round inlet]

an example?

[ivory gust]

It won't match bounty hunting or mining for profit per hour

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[round inlet]

the best legal good to trade for now?

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[ivory gust]

You'll probably want to go to HDMS Bezdek or HDMS Lathan, buy all the available Laranite, fill the rest of your hold with Titanium, then go sell it all at Lorville

[jovial matrix]

which of those status icons is indicative of resistance?

[ivory gust]

3rd one is mass, so it's either the first or second--I suspect the first

[jovial matrix]

mk

[round inlet]

The Mole can even carry refined mineral to the trading center?

[rugged axle]

No. Mining ship only. Need a cargo ship just like with prospector

[barren marsh]

Should be resistance, instability, mass, mineral

[jovial matrix]

thank you

[round inlet]

The wiki it says it has 231 scu

[ivory gust]

Then that wiki is very out of date

[rugged axle]

It does, for internal inventory. (Guns, armor, etc). Not for cargo

[ivory gust]

No, it only has 96,000K uSCU stowage

What wiki are you seeing 231 SCU on?

[round inlet]

The Fandom

[ivory gust]

https://starcitizen.fandom.com/wiki/MOLE? Nowhere on there does it say 231SCU

It says 288, but that relies on the collapsible containers that it doesn't yet have

[round inlet]

OOHHHH

sad

When they will add this feature?

[prisma scarab]

If your looking to move ore, you can go rent a connie andromeda, it can hold 96scu (Area18 spaceport)

[ivory gust]

Nobody knows

[round inlet]

Last question, is the best location for quatinuim mining still Lyria?

[ivory gust]

Yes

[round inlet]

Ok

[north oyster]

The Halo is still viable and there are tricks to decrease dud scans

My last run to the Halo was about 25min and pulled a 31.99 SCU Quantainium to the refinery

[jovial matrix]

anyone here have a RAFT that I can take a look at?

[coarse cape]

this is after a week of off and on selling

[jovial matrix]

Some fine masochism right there

[coarse cape]

yep

[misty coyote]

I've done this..... In the end, I made a massive 10k profit. .

[coarse cape]

this run is going ot make me like 600k

[misty coyote]

Oh damn

Where are you selling?

[coarse cape]

secret

[misty coyote]

Fair.... I'll just look it up on.!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[coarse cape]

ok

[misty coyote]

Aaaah

That is good

I'd never have thought of that

I don't think I'm be doing it....i don't want to wait around for a refresh

[coarse cape]

yeah

taken me a week to get below 10k units

[ivory gust]

"Made 600k profit!" "...couldn't you have made a lot more in that time if you'd been doing other stuff instead of just sitting waiting for the refresh?" "...shut up"

[coarse cape]

yep

not much to do this patch anyways

[prisma scarab]

I make 600k in one hour mining in my mole haha

A drug system would be awesome though that profits.

[nimble ledge]

Is there anything worth uprading on C2 except for warp drive?

[misty coyote]

Shields maybe?

In 3.18 I think this might be more important as pirates will be more a thing.

[zenith crag]

What's the difference between these two? One has more range/zero damage range but does that even matter? https://i.imgur.com/1jryyPi.png

For the mole

[round inlet]

the size

[barren marsh]

One goes on the prossy, one is for the mole

[zenith crag]

thx

[north oyster]

If they're trying to sell SLAM or drugs, it'll take about two weeks to make the 600k

[misty coyote]

I'm not checking the maths on this one.

[north oyster]

If you have a C2, Ida has asttitine that if you can get a full load will meet over a 100k

[cobalt rivet]

The profit margins seems so low for something you risk so mich for

[misty coyote]

It is.

Needs to change.

Or the cargo refactor is for naught

[fiery cosmos]

Anybody out mining in a MOLE currently?

I have 900k+ of Quant in front of me. I'm in a Prospector. My hold is full of other things. The Largest rock (8249/33.43) is broken already. I'm about to start breaking the second rock (5631/43.99). Long and short, I was just doing some trials trying to break a large mass rock without Surge/Stampede. I was successful but i'd hate to see all this money go to waste.

[worthy scroll]

Is it really a waste if it's getting wiped next patch anyway?

[fiery cosmos]

I bet you're super fun at parties....

I'll be here onsite a bit longer if people want to come get it. All you've got to do it come pick it up.

[worthy scroll]

I aim to distress.

[prisma scarab]

You should aim for solo mining the mole. Ideal for just those examples. 🙂 Id love to come get it but im not out at the minute sadly.

Sounds like you got patience to crack them all anyway, so moving seats a few times wont hurt 😄

[fiery cosmos]

I routinely solo mine in the MOLE but as I said, I was out testing solo breaking max mass rocks without Surge/Stampede. The MOLE isn't ideal for that because I can't get away if I overcharge.

[prisma scarab]

Fair enough. 🙂

[north oyster]

Cargo is nothing today like it will be in the future. Today is only one aspect of trade: the cargo is owned by the ship captain.

Future trade will revolve around reputation and missions

But there will always be an aspect of risk to reward in trade

The only reason Hull C isn't in the game is because the trade system to support it yet doesn't exist

[jovial matrix]

can you find hand-minable gems just randomly on the surface of moons and such, and if so, is there any way to discern between hand mineable rocks and ROC mineable rocks?

[delicate relic]

I think when ya tab scan in ship they show as little diamond icons./

[ivory gust]

Yes, hand mineables show up at much closer ranges (<1km)

[jovial matrix]

mk

[ivory gust]

so if you only see it appear when you're right on top of it, it's hand mineable

[jovial matrix]

alright

thank you

[coarse cape]

they also appear as a diamond on your hud

[jovial matrix]

ok

[vestal ravine]

Been doing a bunch of good basic trades with the Freelancer Max but I got lazy and was using the impound feature to park the thing. After one of those my ship was spawned 20 feet up in the air and I did the engine out process and added it back now several key controls do not work right. B key, velocity frozen and spacebar doesn't do anything. Should I blow it up or try a claim? Then my spaceman won't drink and QT travel to Lorville continues past the planet and it's tricky to get to the TDD desk. So I switched to the C2 and that happened again followed by a server crash but the ship got back home with cargo intact with 505 thousand in cargo. How are you doing???

[native slate]

[open halo]

hurrr

[jovial matrix]

how do you tell the difference between ROC minable rocks and prospector mineable rocks?

like from a distance I mean

[ivory gust]

From what distance?

Depends on the ship what distance the dividing line is. Most ships are around 3k -- If it shows up as a ping result beyond 3k, it's a Prospector rock. If it only shows up within 3k, it's ROC

Some ships can detect them a bit farther out, up to around 5k

[jovial matrix]

ok

Im in a cutty black

[ivory gust]

Yeah, it's about 3k for that. When you ping with tab, anything that shows up past 3.5k isn't a ROC mineable

[jovial matrix]

cool thank you

also, Im looking for hadanite right?

[viral heath]

Yes hadanite is the most profitable orw

[jovial matrix]

cool

how many people do you think it would take to break an ROC rock using only multitools?

[ivory gust]

ROC gems are ~8x larger than hand mineables, so probably 8-ish

[jovial matrix]

good to know

[jovial matrix]

First time ROC mining, and I think I quite like it

[misty coyote]

You got more patience than me... I tend to bail at 30 scu... But then again.... I know this game too well

[marble crater]

nice run! quite like roc mining as it gives vehicle haulers a bit of extra gameplay & a nice change of pace. not a 30K friendly activity though

I hope PES next patch can help out with that a bit

[north oyster]

New tricks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKI0ZOhlXs4

[north oyster]

Congrats, like 19 said, ROC mining is a great activity now but it has zero 30k protection. To me, ROC mining is one of the most enjoyable game loops and is part of my normal game play

[cobalt rivet]

Would have been nice to have video when i was actually mining!

[north oyster]

The laser head trick worked pretty good for me. It took dud scans from over 80% down to about 50% rate

I've not tried the EVA trick yet

[topaz coyote]

not hating but damn that's terrible.. so much more time to do simple mining... wish CIG would fix this already...

[jovial matrix]

Indeed

[jovial matrix]

Yeah, I’m definitely gonna do it more often

[amber fable]

where does anybody think the most profitable quant mining spot is

[topaz coyote]

There is no specific spot. It's a "thrill-of-the-chase" type thing. Lyria is good and the Halo you can get lucky.

[amber fable]

ok thanks

[cobalt rivet]

If youre not absolutely shit at quant mining lyria has the most reliable amount of quantanium rocks

If you dont care what server you play on, you can also hop onto AU or EU server to get fresh rocks everytime

[meager gorge]

Not sure 100% but I think if you move the hadanite from the roc to your ship it should protect but that doesnt help if you 30K during the actual mining.

[meager gorge]

Is their a TLDR of this or should I just go watch it?

[rugged axle]

fly to unscannables. get out of seat. leave prospector until it says "you have left channel" eva back, get in seat

[north oyster]

Those tips and tricks were for the prospector mining in the Halo

[meager gorge]

Yah I get that, I was just wondering if someone would give me the run down, like “take mining head off ship, claim, store, put head back on, fly to belt, if you find an unscannable cluster, Eva from your ship until you get a left ship channel message, get back in ship, rocks should be scannable now” thats a TLDR or to long didnt read. But I went and watched the video and now I can provide that for anyone else that didn’t or does not want to.

[rugged axle]

but...i did give it...lol

[meager gorge]

I didn’t see your tldr until now 😂 I was watching the video and then typing my own tldr lol

[jaunty silo]

anyone got a ship i could borrow

mining ship

[ivory gust]

Doesn't really work to borrow a mining ship since only the ship owner can set up refinery jobs

[north oyster]

You can try renting a Cutlass and a ROC and try mining for hadanite. Or you can try renting a Prospector though you will be limited to lower value ore. However, with the rental Prospector in the Halo you can crack most any asteroid there.

[jaunty silo]

@north oyster thanks

[barren river]

I also recommend the Prospector.

[royal briar]

What’s the best attachment for the prospector, and what quantanium attachment should I get?

[obtuse sand]

lancet MH1

super good stability buffs and resistance lowering, perfect for quant mining

not sure about modules though

[royal briar]

What’s a module lol

[obtuse sand]

they’re like additional doohickeys you can stick on your ship that modify the laser

2 types, active modules that are activated on demand, and passive modules that are always on

active has more noticeable buffs but have 5 charges before they gotta be replaced

passive is always good no matter what

they’re optional and you can mine quant without them, but i hear they’re useful for streamlining your ops

[gaunt fiber]

Anyone want a 7989 mass 36.64% QT Rock?

I’ll help break if you only have a Prospector

[royal briar]

i got it in my ship inventory but i cant figure out how to equip it?

when i clcik on it it just maeks a noise

[obtuse sand]

mobiglas

vehicle loadout manager

[royal briar]

thanks

[obtuse sand]

make sure the ship is stored

otherwise it doesn’t show up

[ivory gust]

Transfer it to station (or city) inventory, then use vehicle loadout manager as above

I think components in the ship itself don't show up

[jovial matrix]

aside from aberdeen and daymar, what would be the best place to ROC mine?

[ivory gust]

Arial

[jovial matrix]

aight

do I need to have a pembroke set like on aberdeen, or can I make do without?

[gaunt fiber]

@jovial matrix Magda or Arial - both are great for ROC mining

Magda does not require a suit

[jovial matrix]

aight thank you

[gaunt fiber]

np - have fun

[jovial matrix]

I'll try :)

[ivory gust]

Arial you can do without, but you'll want something like the Aril suit to give yourself ~15min

[jovial matrix]

ok

[jovial matrix]

aaaand a 30K as Im about to start on a nice patch of rocks

[spark cradle]

Hello,
Since some days, I don’t get the delivery missions from Red Wind Linehaul anymore. Does anybody has an idea why this happens? I abandoned 2-3 of the missions because I closed the game to early after finishing the missions. Could that be the reason? The delivery missions from other company’s work normally

[jovial matrix]

Yeah, if you abandon too many missions from a certain person, then your reputation with them goes into the negative for awhile, and they won’t give you more missions. You just have to wait a little while for the rep go back to neutral, and then they should start giving you missions again

[umbral sandal]

What is the best trading route?

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[misty coyote]

You might find some oddities... But generally, land at a mining station, fill up on laranite then either travel to another depot for more laranite or top up with Titanium.

Then travel to a city and sell it all at a trade depot.

Rinse repeat.

Trading is very limited right now.

[north oyster]

Trading currently only favors the largest ships (C2, CAT, Carrack, etc) to make any decent margin. Scrap from TDD Area 18 to ARC-L1 (short hop) will net about 28K aUEC. While Astitine on Ida to Hurston CBD will bring about 80K to 100K aUEC if you can get a full load in a C2.

[misty coyote]

Thinking on the other things you could do in that time..Bounties or Beacons etc that are zero risk....

IRL you have to pay an Excess for claiming on your insurance....

Why are we not here?

That would make it more of a risk taking on bounties, if you need to pay something to get your ship claimed...

More in a stable game mind, atm it would cost loads for all the odd glitches

[misty coyote]

Lunchtime mining hit pay day.

[misty coyote]

I have a 2 fold question...

1. Will salvage fit into this Cargo-Mining channel when it's live?

2. On salvage....What's stopping me and my buddy from spawning ships and scraping them ourselves?

[burnt storm]

What refinement method do people usually use? I go for the low cost, high time, high yield one.

[glacial dagger]

1. More than likely. Channel will just get a name update to cargo, mining and salvage.

2. Currently...nothing except claim time and costs to expedite. Eventually, once insurance starts becoming a thing, trying to do this may start to affect your no claims bonus. I'm sure CIG will come up with somethign to try and discourage stuff like this

[glacial dagger]

Personally, I prefer Dyinx. Low Cost, High Yield, Long Time

[burnt storm]

Isn't that the one I'm talking about? isn't it low cost?

!refining

[glacial dagger]

Yh, low cost, high yield, long time

[marble crater]

Tier 0 salvage will only let you salvage pre selected wrecks, will be similar to mining gameplay looking for rocks

not sure how they could stop people just chain salvaging their own ships in the future though lol

oh Tier 0 may actually let you salvage AI ships and players, in that case I have no idea how they'll stop it, maybe an Insurance Fraud type thing?

[glacial dagger]

active ships can be salvaged as well

[misty coyote]

This is where excess should come in...

You pay 5000 creds to claim your Cutty.... Or a percentage of buy price..... Stops being as lucrative to Hull strip...

[marble crater]

With how often your ship can blow up I don't think the game is ready for an excess system

[misty coyote]

That's what I thought too....

Though losing money in a legitimate way feels so much better than just..... Gone....

[jovial matrix]

I’m assuming the ROC-DS doesn’t have any 30K protection, correct?

[misty coyote]

Only ship cargo does, so no...

I've not seen many use a DS

Seems a bit pointless

Can change the head?

[ivory gust]

DS has more storage space, more laser power, and a longer range on the laser

[misty coyote]

Default laser is 9pw same as the ROC

Which, granted, can be changed.

Just not sure how much more useful it is.... Having 2 rocs might be better?

[ivory gust]

A) No, the laser is more powerful. Erkul shows it as 12, not 9, but sadly it's not possible to get actual numbers in game
B) Can't swap heads on roc anyway

I've tested ROC and ROC DS side by side on the same gem deposit, the DS is noticeably more powerful

You can also see in Loadout Manager, the ROC DS shows both heads in the list but the ROC only shows its own head, proving that the heads are in fact different even though they're named the same

[jovial matrix]

Manly interested in the larger storage and the potential to bring someone else with me, depends on if I can find someone to mine with though

@delicate girder you were able to fit an ROC-DS inside a cutty black right? Would you say it Was it super finicky and difficult, or would you be able to replicate it fairly reliably?

[ivory gust]

It is not useful for two people. The driver has nothing to do while the miner is mining, and vice versa

[jovial matrix]

So just solo it like you would a mole?

For the extra storage and power

[ivory gust]

It doesn't fit in a cutlass, need a Freelancer MAX at minimum... Although I've heard it can fit in a Nomad, but haven't tried it myself

[ivory gust]

Correct

[jovial matrix]

Might have to try a nomad, since I’ve got one

If that doesn’t work I also have a MAX

[ivory gust]

If you want an expedition with multiple people, use two normal ROCs, or have one person scouting

[jovial matrix]

True

[ivory gust]

ROC-DS shows both its own and ROC lasers in loadout manager:

ROC only shows its own:

Same name, stats in game are listed all the same, but they're different items

[jovial matrix]

Weird

[misty coyote]

Huh.. There's me using my eyes at about 90% efficiency...

[haughty elm]

recomendation for a moel setup including head and modules for soemoen soloing the mole i am thinkign different head and module conbinations sicn ei hav e 3 heads and only one me heh but i dunno how i should set them, up looking for advice

[flat cosmos]

So i got myself a full load of quant on prossie, had 7 minutes left when i landed at the station, the slow blinking yellow light started only as i was getting close to the station.
I land, the red blink goes off, i open the mining mode and the timer is negative all of a sudden, i get out my prossie, running for the elevator to store my ship....
before the elevator arrives my prossie explodes

what happened?

[prisma scarab]

This is a know bug under investigation sadly. Quant can randomly and thankfully not to commonly go critical on landing.

As much as it sucks. Claim and keep at it. It’s a worth whole activity so even out the negative run

[ivory gust]

As mentioned, known bug. Never land in a hangar when you're hauling quant, always impound--float up to a closed hangar (without calling ATC) and wait for the impound notification. If the message doesn't pop up in ~30sec, try a different hangar.

There are several bugs around miners landing in hangars currently, and impounding is the only 100% safe way to avoid them.

Note that you don't have to pay to get your ship out of impound unless you're planning on using it again within 15min

[flat cosmos]

Well this just killed mining for me.... i had a bad streak of

• no quant found for 3 hours, multiple days
• 30k
• unable to scan or warm up the asteroid for some reason

for weeks now
im off to combat only land, wish i could sell the prospector

[prisma scarab]

Yeah it sucks, you can still make good money with mining. When you search for 3 hours do you server hop?

If you search I tend to bed log after 30 minutes of no finding rocks. Just to try elsewhere.

[flat cosmos]

I would at times take a 10 minute pause, during which i close the game and lock my windows, grab a coffee and irl stuff

with same , 0% luck , result

[prisma scarab]

Where are you? Halo?

[flat cosmos]

both halo and lyria tried

lyria before, past 2 weeks in halo

[prisma scarab]

My experience is just go to Lyria, its more reliable. I rarely have issues there.

[flat cosmos]

guess i've had the black straw

[ivory gust]

How are you scanning in the halo? You can see when a rock is unscannable from 12km away, so you should never be trying to warm it up, just moving on

Need to be using active ping angle tuning while scanning in the halo so you don't waste time on junk or unscannable rocks

[fiery cosmos]

If you go 3hrs without finding Quant on Lyria, you’re either the most unlucky person in existence or you’re doing something wrong. Especially for multiple days?? Also, I understand finding duds that you can’t scan but what do you mean you can’t heat up the rock?? Don’t let this kill your vibe for mining man. Mining is life. I’m happy to answer questions privately regarding mining if you want some help.

[prisma scarab]

Agreed, I just went out to Lyria since messaging about and found a rock with 60scu. its certainly do-able and feel free to ping any queries/tag along some time.

[north oyster]

Should always change gears and take a break. However, as Chris and some of the others mentioned, there are tricks that can change the mining experience.

1. You must know about active angle ping so that you can ID asteroids up to 12Km away
2. New trick of removing laserhead (at station), spawn, stow, then restore laserhead will greatly decrease the dud scans (mine went from 80% bad scans to 50% bad scan)
3. The EVA trick. If you come up on a cluster and suspect that it is Quantainium. Get roughly 1000m away (where one or two icons pop up in the cluster). Then EVA out of your ship until you get the "you have left the procespector channel" on your HUD. When you return, the asteroids can now be scanned.
4. If you are concerned about your ship blowing up in the hanger, the do not call ATC but hover right at the hanger doors and get your ship impounded.

Using #2 trick, I was able to find a 46% Quan asteroid in about 18minutes and almost pulled a Unicorn from the trip. Came back to station with 31.99 SCU of the good stuff.

[marble crater]

so patch notes showing 3.17.3 in ptu but no mention of 3.18 in ptu. Is 3.18 & all the cargo refactor/salvage goodness now delayed ( they said 3.18 would need 3 months in ptu before release)?

[ivory gust]

we don't know yet, but it wouldn't surprise me

[marble crater]

I guess they could just push out 3.18 in Nov with no testing and patch over time but that could be buggy af

[umbral sandal]

best modules for mining in the prospector?

[delicate relic]

You all know thoes green unstable boxes that go boom? if I had them sitting inside a hammerhead, would the ship blow up or just take damage or nothing much?

( figure its a type of cargo lol )

[ivory gust]

I had one go off in a Cutlass and it didn't destroy the ship, so I imagine a Hammerhead would be fine

[delicate relic]

huh, guess I got to do some testing ingame then lol

[ivory gust]

Unscannable infestation is spreading, first two clusters I found on lyria on my first time out mining in weeks were unscannable

Well, everything's unscannable, time to leave the server

[delicate relic]

dont know if it was here or reddit, but I saw someone say they had a lot better avrage luck if they store the prospector. Remove mining laser, claim prospector. Re store it again. Install mining laser and mods back on. Then go mining.

[ivory gust]

This is a Mole, not a Prospector

[delicate relic]

then if they go to the belt theres way more scannables. ( should be same, but 3 mining laseers )

[ivory gust]

I wasn't at the belt, I was on Lyria

[delicate relic]

I think

its all the same issue tho I think.

[ivory gust]

I've never seen Lyria like that before, though. Maybe server just busted

[delicate relic]

ahh. not sure then, just thought to recomend it

[ivory gust]

Thanks

[delicate relic]

no worriesa

[north oyster]

unscannables on Lyria is not a good sign. I normally hold all unscannables for the Halo and always thought surface deposits were safe from this evil bug. Sad to hear this

[north oyster]

I'm thinking we may even see a 3.17.4 when all is said and done, with some features maybe coming in randomly with the current build. The 3.18 is proving to be a monster. CIG is grinding everyday on this build in-house and all the company's play testers are using it. The discovered bugs are getting squashed but when they discover ones that break the network backbone to the servers, it does delay implementation to a broader test group (Evocati) until they get the major critical ones resolved.

[vestal ravine]

I did some baseline storage options with the cute little Hull A at Shubin 2A this morning. Some steps: Piloted another ship there, called up the Hull A at Platinum Bay, flew over to the regular pads, bought some waste - observed by 3 reds - flew back to P. Bay pad, landed got impounded recalled ship minus 5K fine, saw the waste cargo, stored it flew back to Arc L1 in the other ship. Now it says
"Claim" on the AESOP. (What I expected). So I am assuming you can store the ship at Shubin, let's say pirates nearby, you want to add more trade items, etc. But it really saves the first cargo leg from any sort of attack but its not a big cargo hauler.

[north oyster]

So you're saying you can summon the Hull A at a Platinum pad? I don't see that remaining too long

[vestal ravine]

It fits on the pad fine and I hope it's permanent.

[misty coyote]

Ha, you can call a Hull A but not an Aurora

brilliant

[worthy scroll]

"observed by three reds" lol. It's nice when they get stuck in the armistice zone and can't actually shoot you. Not so nice when it isn't an armistice zone.

[north oyster]

I use to depend on the NPCs crashing into the ground so that I could proceed on my merry way, hate it when they actually perform properly and I'm in a cargo ship

[sleek torrent]

Anyone know if the mule fits inside the reclaimer elevator?

[cobalt rivet]

Prob not

[sleek torrent]

Only interested in accurate answers not guesses. Cyclone fits. Mule is smaller. So in theory it fits. But only way to know is to ask someone who has done it or try it yourself and I don’t own a mule. So I’m looking for someone who has experienced it themselves

[north oyster]

Your initial question didn't contain your guideline for someone being able to answer. In that light, don't be an ass

[fallen atlas]

Also Google is free.

[fiery cosmos]

Anyone mining currently?

[ivory gust]

Oh interesting, MOLE pilot can filter unscannables in the Halo from a distance using scan mode. Still can't see rock type

[jovial matrix]

the 30K a couple days ago kept my ROC in my cutty, but got rid of all of its cargo :/

[ivory gust]

Yes, ROCs don't have 30k protection, ships do

[jovial matrix]

lame

[obtuse sand]

what's the state of quant mining in this patch

heard lots of stuff about the timers being buggy

[ivory gust]

Not great, not horrible. Aaron Halo has lots of unscannable rocks. You can totally avoid the "buggy timers" issue by impounding your ship instead of landing in the hangar

[ivory gust]

Sometimes things work out

[jovial matrix]

Beautiful

[ivory gust]

Second load, same cluster

[serene quest]

suuper nice

[jovial matrix]

Very nice

[royal cairn]

Dayum

[vestal ravine]

Think I had a glitch with the Hull A I am giving a workout. Flew it back to ArcCorp and sold the partial Agricium okay and had to sell the waste at the Admin for $42.00! Flew that ship back to the sales site but the waste cargo still attached. (Graphics glitch??) At the buy terminal none of the items could be sold. I tried several times over a 20 minute period. So I called up a 135 I have and could buy Agricium no problem but not with the Hull A. So I have just claimed it and hope it sheds the borked cargo containers on it.

[worthy scroll]

Visual glitch. Sometimes "phantom" cargo gets left behind.

[vestal ravine]

Thanks! I will find out next session if it's in base appearance.

[north oyster]

that's pretty awesome haul, congrats on a job well done for your aUEC wallet

If they ever incorporate protection for the ROC, I will probably be doing about 50% or more of my time mining in it

It's just such a nice change of pace being on the planet surface and mining

[cobalt rivet]

Yi

[north oyster]

WARNING 3.17.3 is going LIVE. I don't know if it will clear any refinery jobs. If it does, I'm screwed

[cobalt rivet]

Wut

They actually fixing stuff

[north oyster]

They have to, because 3.18 is a monster

and gonna take a LONG time

[cobalt rivet]

Is .3 live now?

Thought it was still in wave 1 ptu

[north oyster]

We will be deploying patch 3.17.3-live.8240506 starting at 1530 UTC.

[cobalt rivet]

[north oyster]

yeah, that puppy went straight to jail and didn't pass GO!

[north oyster]

wonders if refinery job of all that pure Quantainium has gone up in smoke

[cobalt rivet]

Rip

[north oyster]

😭

[cobalt rivet]

[humble iris]

does quantanium degrade the same speed in a mole as it does in the prospector?

and if it does should i just go mining on planets

[jovial matrix]

Agreed

[humble iris]

if i am to do in atmo mining, im looking for lyranite or something like that right?

[north oyster]

Yes, the decay rate is the same for both ships

[humble iris]

alright

[north oyster]

And other factors like rough ride, speed that decay up

There is a bug of Prospectors blowing up on the hanger pads though

I've not had it happen to me at CRU-L1, but many have experienced it

Suggestion is allowing your ship to get impounded by the ATC

[north oyster]

I mine 100% in the Halo, my return trip, even with the hangers allows me enough time to stow ship before one beep goes off (most of the time)