industrial-professions

[ornate tusk]

I was coming in to land at new babbage so i wasnt able to

[delicate girder]

How do you see your current rank?

[hollow sedge]

ohhhh boyyy

[worthy scroll]

Ah. Yeah, I've had problems with that as well, coming in for a landing, game crashes, and it kills me and destroys the ship. There's a bit of a lag during the time when your game crashes, and the servers realize you're gone, so that gives time for you to plow into the surface.

By chance do you play with clouds on?

[ornate tusk]

Yeah, ill probably have to turn it off

[worthy scroll]

It's all in #rules_and_information The ranks aren't automatic, you have to apply for them.

[worthy scroll]

That's what I did. Once I turned clouds off, I stopped crashing when flying in for landings. Well, the game stopped crashing.

[ivory gust]

No, ROCs don't have 30k protection

In order to be safe from 30ks when ROC mining, you need to transfer the gems to your ship storage after every cluster

[delicate girder]

One at a freaking time right?

[jovial matrix]

Yup

[ivory gust]

Yep, although you can set up a Voice Attack or AutoHotkey macro for it

[cobalt rivet]

do investigation missions get more interesting as you progress or are they the same patterns and locations everytime?

[crimson oak]

Folks, someone just told me there might be a bug when attempting to create 2 SCU containers, that you shouldn't self-destruct the ship while doing it? Is that accurate? should i be blowing up my own ship with another rather than self destruct? I ask this as my previous attempts with like 6 heavy backpacks and even size 5 missiles have all just gotten me 1 SCU containers, via self destruct.

[rugged axle]

Oh, I always use another ship to blow it up.

My preferred method is to actually take the ship you want to put the box in to a mining depot. Retrieve a rover/cyclone, put Pembroke in ground vehicle. Drive 400meters to outside armistice. Run back and grab ship, destroy ground vehicle and beam the 2scu into ship I want it in

[cobalt rivet]

can you make a 2 SCU box by blowing up a vehicle instead of your ship?

then just tractor beam box into ship?

[jovial matrix]

You can make 1 SCU boxes with ground vehicles, so I would assume you can do the same with 2 SCU boxes

[delicate girder]

What determines if you get a 1 SCU box or a 2 SCU box? Do you need to have enough in the vehicle you're destroying that it won't fit in 1 SCU to get a 2 SCU box?

[native slate]

I don’t know the exact answer but I know a novikov suit will 100% of the time spawn a 2scu box

[spring briar]

hurl1 has both surge and stampede modules in refinery store. also has brandt if i remember right

[spring briar]

yes, do it with spartan or with centurion. fill em up to max

[spring briar]

its literally the amount of inventory space used by items. if you have 1,000cSCU of space taken up by items in vehicle inventory that s 1SCU

[willow tiger]

2 questions guys; How to tell apart gems from hand mineables and where to go for best hadanite drops in the roc. Thanks! :)

[misty coyote]

1. Point your multi tool at it
2. Aberdeen is good

On 1, there might be a colour difference, but I'm colour blind, so doesn't register

[rugged axle]

If your scouting, hand minables will first show up at like 500m on your ships pings. Any box that shows up further than that is either a roc mineable or ship mineable

[north oyster]

Hadanite has a pinkish color, when I search with a ship and find a cluster, I normally just zoom in and look at the color of the rock veins instead of trying the scan.
Aberdeen requires the Pembroke armor but the planet is the best location for hadanite in Stanton system.

One trick to always be in the daylight mining is to QT to orbital marker OM-1. This marker is on the north axis of the planet. It is always daylight under this marker. Be careful when you dive down to the surface! Watch the altimeter and make sure you do not lawndart on the surface

One time the altimeter wasn't working, I think I hit the surface hard enough to shift the orbit of the moon slightly.

[misty coyote]

Just keep pinging.... You'll see the ground.... I find it better to peel up as I get closer so I have time to pull up if I'm coming in too hot...

I drive a potato though, but damn if its not a capable roc taxi

[north oyster]

I was in the MAX, it was a "big girl impact"

[willow tiger]

Lukily I have the Cutty B. So my VTOLS are good and preventing me from dying. Or good ol' twist and burn

But thanks guys. I've done some in the past, roc mining and know about the colouration and Pembroke (though I can only find info saying it's obtainable but stations now?) But was hoping there was another way to tell roc drops oli

Thanks for all the info everyone! Much obliged :)

[north oyster]

You can get the Pembroke at any of the refinery stores.

finder.cstone.space is a fantastic finder for all things SC also

[mortal field]

Looking for someone with the highest rep of delivery missions for some talk

Pls mp if you do

[worthy scroll]

What's up? You can ask your questions here.

[mortal field]

its for smt purely personal and experimental

[jovial matrix]

What’s the best ore to mine (other than quant), and what’s the best place to find it?

[ivory gust]

Bexalite, it's half the value of Quant and there's no good way to find it in large quantities. Quant is the only ore worth mining right now, and it's easier to find in large quantities too

[jovial matrix]

Mk

Thanks

[worthy scroll]

The caveat to that is "worth it" is up to the individual.

If you're after pure profit over everything else, go quant.

If you want to relax and just mine and making cash is a nice bonus, go for bexalite.

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

I’m saving for a cat, and I’ve been doing combat device beacons which pay well, but they’re fairly repetitive. figured I’d try mining with a rented prospector tonight, just for fun, and try to make some money doing it

[shy crane]

errrrr.....15 contacts so far....no scannable asteroids....am I missing something?

18 now

[ivory gust]

nope, that's the halo nowadays. Can try switching server or getting out of the pilot seat and back in

Note that if you're scanning in mining mode (which you should be), can reduce angle of ping with , and . keys, then ping again at a contact to see what asteroid type it is--if it shows up blank, it's unscannable, just move on

[shy crane]

yeah...angle's already reduced...I'll try the chair thing....

[ivory gust]

Unfortunately a rented prospector really isn't worth it. You can technically do quantanium with it if you fiddle with gadgets as well, but it's not worth the hassle.

If you're only able to rent, renting a ROC (and something to carry with it) will get you around the same amount of income as a rented Prospector.

Also, out of curiosity...why a cat instead of a c2? Current version of the game, the caterpillar has no advantages over the C2 and a lot of disadvantages. That might change with the cargo refactor, but there will be a wipe before then so buying in-game there's no reason to go Cat over C2

[hazy vault]

pirate boat

[ivory gust]

...what

you can't buy the pirate caterpillar in game

[hazy vault]

funny pirate

[worthy scroll]

The Cat is just a cooler ship. 😁

[jovial matrix]

I just like the cat more than the C2

C2 is great, but it just isn’t my thing. I don’t like the computer voice, and it feels extremely hollow (which makes sense but still)

[worthy scroll]

I've had a C2 before, hated that ship. The cargo capacity is the only reason I bought it.

[jovial matrix]

Mmm

Also all the caterpillar wrecks I’ve been exploring have made me want to get one of my own lol

[worthy scroll]

Proud Caterpillar owner.

[jovial matrix]

I just need 2mil more and it’ll be mine

[worthy scroll]

I'm going to be swapping mine though, my current one is getting upgraded to an Endeavor, and then I'll get the pirate Cat to replace it.

[jovial matrix]

Nice

[grizzled bone]

Where do y'all suggest Quant mining

I usually go Lyria but stg I ain't finding dick

I'm finding like 1000000 ROC minables for whatever reason (which is wierd coz normally I can't find those) but like

almost 0 quant deposits which is just weird AF. I'm used to not finding good quant (2-5%) but it's weird not finding any at all

[ivory gust]

Lyria

[grizzled bone]

Yeah that's where I'm at

[ivory gust]

Easy to spot quant because you can look for clusters which are always quant on lyria

If you're not finding anything, switch servers

[grizzled bone]

If I'd taken a ROC miner I'd be in business

ROC gems absolutely everywhere

[misty coyote]

The scanners in prospectors are designed for mining nodes.... Usually ROC mining is in a hauling ship...

[grizzled bone]

This is true...

[misty coyote]

If you can twin up with a buddy, you can clean house.

[north oyster]

The deposits on Lyria for the ROC would not have been hadanite for the most part.

It probably was dolivine which is worthless considering

[grizzled bone]

True, but there was like... Gems eeeeeeeeeverywhere xD

Even if it's dolivine there was 10000s of them stg

[north oyster]

Mining dolivine is a total pain, it's unstable and harder to crack compared. Sadly, we need 30k protection for the ROC terribly

But, load her up and crack some gems!!

[ivory gust]

not only is it harder to mine, it's the least valuable of the gems by far

Aphorite is less valuable than hadanite but at least it's easy to mine

[uncut knoll]

Hey, what module should i get for my prospector? I'm starting out with mining

[ivory gust]

By "module" do you mean "mining laser head" or the modules that are installed in the mining laser?

[uncut knoll]

The actual module, i got a MH1 head

[ivory gust]

Depends on where you're mining.
Aaron halo: Doesn't matter, bring whatever you want, you don't need modules
Lyria: Bring at least 1 surge and at least 1 stampede, 3rd can be surge/optimum/brandt depending on preference. I use a second surge.

Note that you can't have multiple active modules running simultaneously

[hollow sedge]

I took in roughly 12scu of Agricium and taranite, and then I went to draw in from another rock, and everything in my hold transformed into inert materials. Is there some gimmick?

[ivory gust]

Visual bug that happens sometimes

[hollow sedge]

I just looked it up, I still have my agr and tar?

[ivory gust]

Yes, and they'll show up correctly in the refinery

[north oyster]

it should show up when you set the refinery job (as a rule). The conversion to inert is usually contained to the HUD showing that, not what is actually in the ship's bags.

[hollow sedge]

yeah, I found it

[north oyster]

not a fun bug but not the worst either. Watching 32 SCU of Quantainium turn to inert is a little disheartening even when you know it is still there

[serene quest]

doncha hate when you accidentally click on the wrong rock and leave just .2 scu shy of a perfect quant filled prossy :/?

[burnt pelican]

Anyone wanna scout for quant for me

I will pay 50k per batch money up front

[tight latch]

Did server just go down

[ivory gust]

There isn't just one server...there are lots of servers. It's possible that the server you were on crashed

[jovial matrix]

was able to get my cat today with a generous donation from a stranger in chat :)

Can’t wait to outfit it tomorrow and do some cargo hauling

[misty coyote]

So.... We're calling it a Prossy....

But that just sounds like another word got lady of the night.....

I can't tell my wife I'm spending the evening filling up a Prossy......

[flat cosmos]

Im really sad people,
I love minning and hauling and checking sheets and seeing graphs,
I like farming, industrialization and i love space
But im thoroughly dissapointed in minning with the roc. As an Upgrades! enjoyer going by hand is too little profit and too slow.
Buying a prossie is too expensive for me

Then i tried the roc... and i liked it!

Then 30k makes me loose everything in the ROC, this happened 5 times already, every time i try to time, not even 15 minutes into the trip.

I think ill bite the bullet and go for rented prospector, as ship inventory persists, or switch carreers.

[north oyster]

The rental can make decent coin, your goal is volume and anything above agricium in value

Choose dinyx method, stack as may jobs as you can. You’ll need to rent a cargo ship later. The Cutlass Black will be the cheapest. Also, renting from one of the new stations seems to be the cheapest

[vestal ravine]

I am trying this Voice Attack app. and if successful will allow quick transfer of the gems to say a Molokov backpack. So every 2-3 gems transfer from the Roc cargo box to your backpack.

[ornate ocean]

So any tips on quant mining can find the rocks but i tend to blow most of the time any modules to recommend? I use the lancelot mining head for prospector

[worthy scroll]

Blow as in you blow up, or blow as I'm "I really blow at this"?

[vestal ravine]

I know I really blow at that Quant mining and well practice makes perfect. You could switch to mining the green Taranite on Wala. Easy to mine with a high payout. For modules I use a double surge and a inert reduction module.

[vestal ravine]

SLAM sale pretty cool a 78K output for 106K over 5 sales. Not practical but neat for a change.

[mild grail]

Just got a Pirate Caterpillar filled it up to the max with medical supplies and realized these stations only takes small amounts of it at a time. Then couldn't store my ship for some reason and lost 500k in cargo last night.

[hollow sedge]

Is there any resource that indicates formulas we can use to determine if a setup cannot actually crack a sufficiently resistant rock?

[meager gorge]

I think hadanite or whatever you decide to mine with the roc should persist if it’s inside your ship instead of the roc inventory. You could set up a voice attack macro to move your inventory. It’s free and really useful, might need a solution to your problem.

[hollow sedge]

Or is this just something we feel as a combination of resistence and stability

[jovial matrix]

Gotta sell it at cities, they take a lot more at a time than stations

[meager gorge]

Cargo running is arguably the riskiest business at the moment. The blockade event is a really profitable hauling evolution but outside that it can be tough

[hollow sedge]

The best method of moving goods for profit is Titanium from any major Titanium source that has a little icing on the cake (Laranite, Agricium). The Titanium actually has nearly the same profit per SCU density as Laranite due to the total higher margin at a lower cost. Laranite is slightly better. Medical Supply exchange are tedious even for the largest ships.

And Laranite is only so close because the supply is always dried up, so they sell for more (background system), and you get less per SCU profit.

[vestal ravine]

I had to haul out that SLAM because I wanted to go ROC mining but had a crash to desktop flying down to Daymar. But the game recovered the cargo in the ship and I was finally able to sell it off. Would be cool to have a second Cutty get it filled with SLAM (a chore) but once at CRUL5 you just sell off it as needed. (Hanger concept) Thoughts???

[vestal ravine]

You should of sold it at the TDD terminal at NBIS. Or the other major cities.

[mild grail]

I didn't know it would take that long to get rid of. Website said 9 min. Boy did I understand that wrong.

[misty coyote]

I feel you Pappy...

I gave my 1 mil last patch bonus to a buddy to buy his prosp.... He upgraded to mine quant and I used a rental. If you find the right buddy, you could make some...

Alternatively, you could find a few gadgets....

Maybe a stabilisation one.... And a resistance one.... Slap that on a fatty boy and use a rental....

I'm not sure about the mix there.

[flat cosmos]

I have and use Voice attack, the problem is that everytime i drop for the FIRST group of rocks to mine i get 30ked before i finish, i don't get the chance to return to my ship!

[misty coyote]

The 30ks have been alot lately

Not sure if prosps are 30k protected or not....

[flat cosmos]

ships seem to be

the vehicles arent

had 30ks and ship had all it used to + it didnt need claim time! it was allowed to retrieve on all stations i went to somehow

[north oyster]

I'd be mining in the ROC just about most of the time if it had 30k protection

PES won't be so that useful, imo, until they develop the method to get back on your server

Unless you recover to the same server, PES is just a background service

[misty coyote]

Maybe we just use the buddy system...

Find a rando, make a group.... Even then..... That won't help server errors....

Because it affects the whole server.....

[flat cosmos]

anyone up for mining now?

[mild grail]

Cargo running is frustrating. Everytime I go somewhere to sell that place doesn't take it and have to wait for server tick or respawn to different region

[misty coyote]

Always sell at city trade centres

[mild grail]

I'm at lorville trying to sell titanium and they won't take it no matter what server I switch to

[jovial matrix]

You’re selling it at the right place right?

[mild grail]

The admin office

[misty coyote]

Lorville, buy scrap
Hurston Reclamation Place sell scrap
Stanthorpe buy something.... Titanium....
Lorvile Business District

[jovial matrix]

You have to go to the business district

Admin office doesn’t buy commodities

[mild grail]

What tf. Where is that?

[misty coyote]

I'll be running this for a bit

[misty coyote]

Got off the tube from Teasa, don't turn right to metro centre, run to the other

[vernal moon]

As newbie I want to rent prospector. I think that rented vehicles cannot modified. It is viable to mine quant with stock prospector? Or maybe better something else in terms of uec/h?

[jovial matrix]

Can’t mine quant with a stock prospector without using gadgets, which isn’t worth it

[misty coyote]

Quant in a rental is near impossible.... Just go out there and mine other things.... Jsuy go for the highest other you can get.... Do as many runs are you can...fill up fast, sell ore for fast cash..... Or fill up those work orders....

Get as many as you can get...

[mild grail]

I'm just catching the next train and hope it's to where I need to go

[misty coyote]

It should tell you over the tannoy....
Tanoy?...

Loud speakers...

[mild grail]

Something about lorville city gate

Back at the spaceport lol. Gotta turn around

[jovial matrix]

Yup

[vernal moon]

Planet or space minig? Does ore even matter?

[jovial matrix]

Take the train back to the metro center, and turn right to go to the business district train instead of turning left to go into the metro center

[misty coyote]

Planet has bigger rocks.... The Halo has alot of unscannable rocks....

Every planet or moon has its own cocktail of ores.... There are articles about what rock names give what ores...obsidian is one I was aiming for..... Can't remember for what though...

With the state of the Halo and space mining, I've not tried it for a long while.

[mild grail]

Curse you Lorville. I see no sign anywhere for a central business district

[misty coyote]

Where are you now?

[mild grail]

I see a sign. Let me follow it

[misty coyote]

Maybe because it was my first starting city, but I think Lorvile is my favour.

[mild grail]

Orison and New Babbage I know well. I don't know anything about Lorville and Area 18

[jovial matrix]

Only one I don’t know decently well is orison

[misty coyote]

I went to Orison once for the Expo.... Im still trying to get out of atmo

[mild grail]

I'm at some giant mega structure. Just going to run until I find it

[misty coyote]

Aah.. Up the steps... Turn 180.....rocky pose...... Then go to Transfers on the left..

HDD Showcase is weapons.

I'm truly invested here...

What did you fill with Titanium..

If its anything smaller than 100 scu... Lie and tell us it was an A2

[jovial matrix]

That name sounds like they’re having a convention for hard drives

[misty coyote]

Or whatever smeggy Hercules is the tasty for hauling...

[mild grail]

I'm in a room that looks like I'm on wallstreet

[misty coyote]

Aaah yeah....

[jovial matrix]

C2 is best for hauling

[mortal field]

Does any specific to delivery discord exists ?

[misty coyote]

That's trading babyyyyyy

[jovial matrix]

Like a server entirely about box delivery missions?

[mortal field]

yh

[jovial matrix]

Dunno

[mortal field]

ik the topic is very small but still

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

Since it’s just one game loop, I’d be surprised if someone made a whole sever about it

[mortal field]

cause im looking for a max rep delivery guy but u dont find them as easy as max bounty guys

[mortal field]

true

[jovial matrix]

Ask in #looking-for-session , I’m sure someone has a max rep delivery mission

[mild grail]

Alright made 100k profit. Now I know the route I may recoup my 550k loss from last night in np time

[jovial matrix]

Nice nice

[misty coyote]

Nice work! What did you buy and in what?

[jovial matrix]

Titanium in something like a C2 or caterpillar I assume

[mild grail]

I'm in a pirate caterpillar

[jovial matrix]

Nice

A man of class

[hollow sedge]

If resistance, penetration, and power are all expected relations, then I have calculated resistance needs to be over about .61 for Lancet to perform better than the Impact.

[mortal field]

oh right might be interesting to try this

[hollow sedge]

and then consider other factors from there

[fallen atlas]

Should be able to make some easy money on Arc Corp. I just hit all the facilities there with the C2 and make around 200k or so per trip doing laranite, titanium ,and diamond

[mild grail]

Melted my eclipse for a pirate caterpillar since an eclipse isn't expensive to buy in uec

[misty coyote]

Nice.... I'm in a peasant hauler....

[mortal field]

so you do trips just between facilities selling and buying

[mild grail]

I really wanted the matching caterpillar and gladius combo. At least I have both pirate ships now

[misty coyote]

It's what I'll be doing at Lorville... But in a Taurus, I'm not hitting the profits others are.

[burnt storm]

what about the pirate cutlass?

[fallen atlas]

yeah. Buy out any of those three that are available, or on Lyria, then fly back to A18 and sell it all.

[mortal field]

ok trying that asap

[mild grail]

Never heard of it. I don't want a cutlass anyway. The red one is ok looking

[fallen atlas]

Easy, pretty low risk, and decently quick. I can do one of those runs in sub-45 minutes or so typically.

Depending on how much is available at the places I go.

[burnt storm]

I guess its not a true pirate version, just the skull and crossbones paint

[mild grail]

Got a nice route from Arial to lorville.

[misty coyote]

What is it?

[mild grail]

Titanium and laranite. But definitely titanium

[misty coyote]

Can't you buy titanium from a Hurston mining depot?

[mild grail]

Idk I'm new to cargo running

[misty coyote]

It's not what it could be....

Everywhere pretty much sells and buys for the same price based on what they are....

Mining depots... Cities.....

Not to the dime, but ball park.

You might make more with a really specific route and a big ship.... But the extra flying means you're making less than quick routes.

[mild grail]

I understand just got to figure it all out

[misty coyote]

Yeah..... Just be wary... I lost almost 1 million when they gave us a Carrack.... The ship wasn't stored properly at Lorville, 500k...and 300k client crash seconds after I bought it.

[mild grail]

I already lost 500k last night it wouldnt store properly

[misty coyote]

Sucks..

[mild grail]

What's cargo refactoring?

[misty coyote]

They are going to change how cargo works

They need to for salvage

There might be a cost to loading ships

Or DIY

[mild grail]

I can see why. Bounty hunting was easy. This is hard

[misty coyote]

With this I hope they address the selling and buying to make it worth while

[mild grail]

Yup. Risking 600k to make 100k is dangerous

[misty coyote]

Especially as you can have it taken from your ship now

Well.... Soon... Tm

[mild grail]

They add ship armor I'd have enough time to spool quantum and escape

[misty coyote]

Oh yeah... In a big chonker you'll have a shot

But you'll also be a target

[mild grail]

I'm a pirate caterpillar. I'll probably do the targeting. Being part of a gang of pirates and all the cargo goes on my ship.

[misty coyote]

Dirty turncoat!....

Still..... Makes the game..

Otherwise what's the point of the turrets on these big ships

[mild grail]

I mean it is called a pirate caterpillar.

[vestal ravine]

Be sure the ramps and elevators ARE FULLY CLOSED in the landing areas before you run off to the trade terminals. A pirate got on board my ship and I paid the 150K you big dummy fee and he let me go. I know there are different ways to get on a ship but if all they want is some bucks give it to them.

[mild grail]

And since I have a pirate ship I feel it should have something installed that other ships won't have to make boarding easier

[misty coyote]

Isn't it just a paint job?

[vestal ravine]

Like one of those phase matter things they use to jump around on Star Trek.

[mild grail]

Some cloaked klingon tech would be nice

[ivory gust]

In the future if you run into this bug (ship in hangar but won't store, only offers claim) the workaround is to retrieve another ship you own. That will store the first one

[misty coyote]

That's a really good one...

Mine wasn't there to store, but to claim.... But there was no location

[mild grail]

How does autoland work. Almost crashed my ship but swung it 90 degrees last second to perfectly land. Was a clutch landing.

[ivory gust]

If it doesn't show the location I'm not sure that trick will work

[misty coyote]

Still, a good one to have in your pocket....

I think I stored and ran from the terminal before confirming it.

[ivory gust]

Autoland doesn't work well in hangars in my experience. It wants your ship to be facing a specific direction before touching down, and will happily crash your ship to get to that facing. Autoland nearly killed a Freelancer MAX of mine full of Quant last patch

[mild grail]

And vehicle maintenance is bugged. Can't repair my ship

[misty coyote]

Fly to a pad and try there.

Mining depots work sometimes.... I found that jumping from one station pad to another makes the services work.

[mild grail]

Trying to figure out vtol. What does it even do. I know it's for landing and taking off

[misty coyote]

Not much..... Changes some of the upward thrust a bit.....

[ivory gust]

Depends on the ship, some ships don't have a vtol mode. Go to external view and see if anything rotates or opens

At most it will increase the available upwards thrust

[mild grail]

I'll test it out next drop off

[vestal ravine]

I use VTOL all the time on landing and taking off's. Set it way down in power. For landings and takeoff's use F4 and Z to align the ship to where you can see where you are going. For hanger take off's straight ahead I set it rear view just above the spine of the ship.

[mild grail]

Owning a nice size ship feels better than I thought it would

[misty coyote]

It's satisfying to land them

[hollow sedge]

if I get the "not docked recognize" bug at the console, and I just let it get impounded, will I still be able to sell the quant?

[misty coyote]

Impounding is known as "Ship Valet" so you should be fine....

When you have 3 minutes left of quant, 1 minute to impound and either a 15 minute wait or a 5k fine is a small pride.

[hollow sedge]

the console is saying I need to claim

[misty coyote]

Ooooh... Not sure there....where does it say its stored?

[mild grail]

Just wasted a whole run. Cargo didn't store and didn't notice until I got to transfer station.

[worthy scroll]

Depends on the ship, some don't have it although you can toggle it on in the ship UI. But mainly what it is, is either rotating the main thrusters down to provide more upward lift, or opening additional thrusters that aren't always in use (like the Connies). Some ships are supposed to have VTOL that don't yet.

It's something that will become much more useful later when cargo has weight. Some ships simply won't be able to lift a full load of some materials if they don't have that extra thrust.

[mild grail]

Sometimes I have to point my caterpillar up to get my landing gear to disengage

[ornate ocean]

Would you say running cargo with a connie is a waste of time?

[ivory gust]

"Not docked recognize" bug? Do you mean Prospector or refined Quant?

If Prospector you shouldn't be landing in a hangar anyway, always impound

[hollow sedge]

I docked my hercules, and someone tried to pad ram me with a pisces. Luckily it was a pisces and they just blew up. But it asked me to claim my herc at the kiosk. I went back, and checked, the repair/restock/refuel services were not available. I had to reland, I had to request to leave and request to dock again

[jovial matrix]

If you’ve got a Taurus then you can make some money. The other Connie’s you can run cargo with, but it’s not nearly as good

[indigo fox]

Where can I bring my refined ore to sell once it’s finished?

[ivory gust]

If you're in a hangar and the terminal is asking you to claim, if the terminal lists your ship location as being on the pad/hangar you can retrieve a different ship and it will store that one

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[indigo fox]

I don’t see on there where I go for selling the ores

And the site is glitching out on my phone

[ivory gust]

Commodities page

[ornate ocean]

Is it worth cargoing in an a2

[ivory gust]

Not really no, A2 can just go do ERTs for a lot more money than hauling with it

[delicate girder]

Why always impound? Just to save the time or is there some bug right now which it avoids?

[delicate girder]

Try https://gallog.co also.

[ivory gust]

There are multiple bugs around it right now that impounding dodges--in addition to the one that Mr Sparkles: Casaba ACFO hit where the station doesn't realize you're landed, the big one a lot of people hit is having their quant go inert or explode shortly after landing. Impounding prevents that entirely

[mild grail]

Cargo hauling truly is a rough life. Everytime I see a ship I'm paranoid. But im forever paranoid due eclipses being undetectable until missle lock

[ornate ocean]

so is it worth using other rocks as practice since I keep blowing up myself with quantum

[ivory gust]

You can, but it's not really good practice.

I recommend that you just stop blowing yourself up. You're using a Lancet, right? That should be all the instability reduction you need, but if you need more you can use a Brandt active module

[ornate ocean]

any modules worth using or can I get by just using the lancet?

[scarlet glade]

WHERE SHOULD I LOOK FOR QUANT ON LYRIA

sry caps

[ivory gust]

If you're in the halo, you don't need modules, so you can use whatever you like. If you're having issues with instability, Brandt is good for that.

If you're on Lyria, you will run into rocks that will require a surge, and either a stampede or optimum

[ornate ocean]

basically if there are two or more rocks its quant

[ivory gust]

Literally anywhere

[scarlet glade]

ok

[ornate ocean]

I mine on lyria I dont know where halo is

[scarlet glade]

cause i only get a cluster / patch every 20 + mins...

or am i just bad

[ornate ocean]

its random

[ivory gust]

It can take a while, yeah.

[ornate ocean]

and not all custers are worth gathering it

[scarlet glade]

yes only 25 +

[ornate ocean]

I ONly go for 20 or more

[ivory gust]

What percentage is useful depends on the mass of the rock...a mass 2500 rock with 20% isn't useful, but a mass 7500 rock with 20% is

[scarlet glade]

ayyy found a 32% rock

is there any other material thats worth mining exept quantanium ?

[ivory gust]

No

[scarlet glade]

🤣

clear message

[scarlet glade]

nice 30 K :)

[short arch]

Soooo... Starfarer... how decent do you think it'd be for a "daily industrial driver" type ship? Kinda slow, sure, but good cargo and vehicle space. I'm not sure where this wild hare up my ass came from but, I find myself really wanting a Starfarer.

[ornate ocean]

saving for 2 so get a brant surge stamped for lyra quant mining?

a2

[ivory gust]

That's fine, although note you won't be able to use the stampede at the same time as the brandt

[ivory gust]

291 SCU is not good, especially not for that price

[short arch]

True to a point, but the next step up would be the Carrack and then the dedicated heavy haulers.

(But I already have a C2 so that's why I'm considering this a wild hare situation lol)

[ornate ocean]

is c2 the best cargo ship currentyl

I decided to get the a2 first

[ivory gust]

But the Carrack and Starfarer are way more expensive than the Caterpillar/C2, so not really worth considering just for cargo

[ivory gust]

Yes, C2 is the best cargo ship currently by far, and it's not even close. A2 is only useful for bombing jumptown.

[short arch]

Yeah I bought a C2 on day one of the patch thanks to the stipend. I just have this really wierd idea of using the starfarer to haul a Mule around to run bunkers... or actually having it on standby with a tank or two for refueling people.

Dunno. Maybe I'm just getting into a "love the unloved" pattern. Love the Valkyrie though I never see anyone ever using it. Love the hornet and bucc although everyone says medium fighters are trash and to just go Gladius/Arrow...

And now out of the blue I've got this itch to work toward a Starfarer which is... perhaps one of the most despised ships in the verse for the interior alone if not other issues?

Maybe 'despised' might be too strong of a word...

[ivory gust]

I got completely lost in the Starfarer during ILW. It seems like the interior was designed to be a Star Marine map

[short arch]

Oh no doubt it was designed to be used as derelict fps maps lol

[ornate ocean]

I hear a2 is good for combat?

[ivory gust]

If you have a crew it's great. If you're alone, probably better off with a Constellation.

A2's real speciality is bombing jumptown

"Probably better off with a Constellation" actually fits a lot of ships in the game, now that I think about it

[ornate ocean]

I already have a constellation

currently have connie andromeda, gladious , nomad, arrow, and a prospector

[ivory gust]

A2 will not be better solo than a Constellation, I suspect

[ornate ocean]

I sort of want somethign as dialy driver with better ramps

the connie is ... sort of cursed when it comes to vehicules

[jovial matrix]

bucc and hornet are great

at least I like them anyway

[ornate ocean]

looked at the c2 damn its much cheaper than the a2

[ivory gust]

And much better for cargo

[jovial matrix]

jumping from a cutty to a cat is wild

[worthy scroll]

Spend a couple weeks flying the Cat and everything will feel nimble.

[jovial matrix]

lol

yeah I can tell already

doesn't help that apparently all drake ships just devour hydrogen fuel

[worthy scroll]

Run the Cat down to 50% or 25% and then see how long it takes to fill.

[hollow sedge]

Do gadgets disappear every time you use them?

[barren marsh]

It’s random, feels like they get destroyed about 20% of the time in my experience

[hollow sedge]

are they supposed to stay on the rock while you blow it up?

[barren marsh]

Most of the time you can recover it after cracking

[hollow sedge]

ok

[barren marsh]

No, it floats free

[crimson oak]

yes they stay on the rock while you're mining it, after cracking the rock they can sometimes fall off the chunk tho so be mindful of where you place it on the rock.

[jovial matrix]

its time to haul some cargo

[clever iron]

wheres the best place to mine quant

[ivory gust]

Aaron halo or lyria

[worthy scroll]

With the best paint too.

[jovial matrix]

yessir

[bronze delta]

anybody out there want to show a guy how to get into the mining game? i've tried cargo hauling and it hasnt been a smooth ride, looking to get my feet wet in the mining area.

[worthy scroll]

Mining is just cargo hauling with extra steps. 😂

[crimson oak]

is there an optimal ground vehicle to use when trying to create 2 SCU containers? I've noticed the Ursa Rover only has 650k storage, so it can only really fit 1 pembroke undersuit and presumably wont make a 2 SCU container when the vehicle is destroyed.

[cobalt rivet]

What is the purpose of the scu container

@crimson oak

[jovial matrix]

love a good crash to desktop after I buy a full load

oh and now my friends list is broken again, awesome

[cobalt rivet]

[jovial matrix]

spawned back in my ship, yay

still got all my cargo too

awesome

ah, but Im inside arial

very coolk

what should I do here?

exit to menu, bed log, backspace?

[worthy scroll]

Go forward. Hope that when you break through the surface of the moon, you don't blow up. Used to, but the last couple times that's happened to me I was able to pop through.

[jovial matrix]

Im not gonna make it outside the planet lol

[worthy scroll]

The down side is, you're considered in atmo, and doing that in the Cat takes foreeeeevvvvveeeeerrrrrrrrrrr.

[jovial matrix]

Im in the very center of it

[worthy scroll]

I know.

[jovial matrix]

Im gonna run out of fuel before I make it pretty sure

[worthy scroll]

Eh, I don't know how much fuel it takes. I've done it twice in the Cat recently and didn't run out of fuel.

[jovial matrix]

interesting

might as well try then, if I run out ill just bedlog and hope nothing bad happens

[cobalt rivet]

Why does this happen, i had it happen twice , once on arcorp and once on daymar

[worthy scroll]

Bugs be bugs.

[cobalt rivet]

[clever iron]

why does my quantanium turn to inert material

[vestal ravine]

In some cases it's a fake report. Log into your refinery screen and process like normal. Let us know what happens.

[clever iron]

Ok gotcha

[ivory gust]

If it happens while mining, it's just a display bug. If it shows up inert at the refinery, it's because you landed the ship when you were supposed to get valet parking by impounding

[mild grail]

This microtech astatine route is complete trash. Was better off trucking titanium. Which I will be headed back to

[ivory gust]

What was trash about it?

[mild grail]

The profit

[ivory gust]

it's about the same profit as titanium, or should be

[mild grail]

Have to stop by 10 and 22 to get a full load and then I barely made profit. Doing a second run just to be sure

[crimson oak]

I think astatine takes up more cargo space than other ores like titanium, or maybe im thinking of agricium, one of the "A's" anyway

so while its good profit on paper, you end up being able to store more of other types of ores.

[jovial matrix]

nah, astanine takes up a normal amount of room

[mild grail]

I made 28k off of 251 cscu from mining facility 10

[jovial matrix]

I blew up :/

[mild grail]

Ship holds 564 scu so I would've had to stop at 22 to get close to a full load

[jovial matrix]

bye bye 500K

[mild grail]

I lost 500k last night trying to sell medical supplies

[jovial matrix]

I lost 500K because the game crashed and spawned me inside Arial

thats enough SC for tonight

[devout comet]

Does trading in this game work at all?

[misty coyote]

Not really....

You've seen the amount of 500ks have been lost

I have too.

There isn't much variation in buy and sell pricing to make it worth it. So no supply issues or overstocking to make any profit

[devout comet]

Hmm, wish there was another use for my cargo ship

[misty coyote]

Get a Prosp, you'll need it to haul the refined materials

3.18 might have some more gameplay loops too

[serene quest]

🙏, with cargo refactor that’s what I’m hoping. A way to turn a profit by hauling cargo while also including contracts for said cargo.

[devout comet]

That's what I'm using it for lol

[marble crater]

cargo missions would be great and would help open up trading options for smaller ships too

[vestal ravine]

Spent 20 to 25 minutes each scouring Daymar and Magda with Cutty for gems only found one stray Dolivine. Must of been a bad spawn server. In desperation brought back a full load of diamonds for a $7,911.00 profit so 2.5 hours of time for $10,641.00 net profit. Damn Sam!

[cobalt rivet]

As long as youre having fun

[north oyster]

Yes, but it takes a little more knowledge than the "buy crap at point A and sell crap at point B" interaction. There are multiple runs that are available with good margin once you have enough aUEC and a big ship to carry it. Trade is skewed towards only the largest of haulers at this time.

By this time next year, it will be a different event and one might be able to make good coin with entry level craft like the RAFT, Hull A, B, etc

Jack Axton has a video made with 3.15(?) that is a re-introduction to trade basics. It is worth the watch. Takes you from beginning to end of the trade basics.

Trade will see a total revamp and also get reputation loops, etc

[worthy scroll]

Yes it does, trading is pretty much all I do.

[hollow sedge]

a good two step process is: medical run until you got over 80ish cargo, then just switch to a titanium spot that has an icing on the cake (agricium around crusder, laranite/agricium everywhere else).

[north oyster]

be careful of the commodities you buy (i.e. Medical, slam, etc) because the system will let you buy as much as you want but the buyback is pathetic and will take days to offload

Sites like SC Trade Tools will give you a good insight to the uptake and demand.

[devout comet]

So if you can figure out how to actually do it can you make good money? @north oyster

[worthy scroll]

Trading really isn't difficult or complicated. Go here, buy, go there, sell. You just have to know what to go for and what to avoid.

[devout comet]

Then why do alot pfnppl say it's complicated, how do I figure out what to get and what not to?

[worthy scroll]

You can plan everything out with this.

https://sc-trade.tools/home

All I do is fly back and forth between two places, my buy place, and my sell place. I get around 100k per run.

[ornate ocean]

Is sc tos better regardung trading compared to uex?

Sc trade tools

[worthy scroll]

Pretty much comes down to which one you like using more. I prefer Trade Tools.

[devout comet]

I've tried this but I don't think I understand it

[serene quest]

Agreed! Even the smaller ships, who are more apt to move illicit cargo suffer due to available quantities at terminals

[marble crater]

yeah the current state of "Just get a Cat or C2" to start trading is counter intuitive. Missions would help make more affordable options viable

[serene quest]

Honestly Cargo should have had missions ages ago to go along with deliveries

it's really a decent loop too, if you managed to find a delivery route that lined up with a cargo run

so you'd run 2 contracts at a time between cargo and deliveries

[ornate ocean]

Sad that chris really seems to care about combat

[serene quest]

better rep opens up higher paying cargo contracts which require the use of larger boats

at which point you rent or buy if you have enough cash

which would be at the very least the real reason for buying acargo ship in the first place

[ornate ocean]

Dont get me wrong i love combat but sometimes i want something relaxing

[serene quest]

problem is combat is too lucrative

[worthy scroll]

Technically it has. That's what box missions are. We just don't have traditional cargo missions yet.

[devout comet]

Can anyone explain what I need to do on sc trade tools?

[serene quest]

traditional cargo missions is what I was referring to. I'm aware that you can plan a trade run via box missions, but in terms of earning money towards a larger cargo ship there should be a flow that leads you to it

[worthy scroll]

There will be. Eventually.

[serene quest]

well duh lol. What I'm hoping for is that it's soon after 3.18 wit the refactor. then again how the refactor applies to cargo and any time to profit numbers is yet to be seen

[worthy scroll]

The issue with profits right now is that some things simply pay way too much.

[serene quest]

agreed

mining included

[worthy scroll]

The main problem with mining is it's multiple jobs being done by one person right now. The way it'll likely work later, unless you actually own all the ships, is you'll mine, sell it to a refiner, who will then sell it to a hauler, who will then sell it to someone who will use it.

The alternative, being in an org that acts as a company that can do all those things itself.

[serene quest]

I don't think that's much of an issue honestly. I mean sure with Refactor you probably could sell the stuff after you refine without actually having to haul it yourself. I have more of an issue with the price of quant and it's frequency compared to other "High value" ores

even if you do find Bexalite, Borase, tara, etc... their values are so consistently low it's laughable

[worthy scroll]

Yeah, quant is meant to be a risk vs reward thing, but the risk really isn't there. At least not in Stanton.

[serene quest]

agreed

liek I do see a lot more rocks with a lower % of quant

I think honestly that's a good move

but even in those rocks where the Qant % is <5%, the other high value ores are JUST as low

which should be the opposite really

Earning credits out of combat SHOULD be a grind IMO. Not an intense one, but it should take some time. Mining right now I can make a Mil a week with the barest of efforts

which is a bit too heavy honestly.

alll this being said, I know with Quanta and the Refactor the economy is going to look pretty different. But I just haven't seen much talk on these subjects.

[worthy scroll]

Payouts for stuff change, I think they do it so they can shift what people are focusing on, so they can test different things. At one point combat was barely worth doing, because you could make far more running cargo (provided a 30k didn't do you in). It used to be more profitable to run box missions than do combat missions.

[serene quest]

true, that makes sense

[hollow sedge]

is there any reason to use Hofstede of klein mining laser heads?

[mild grail]

Landing the Catipillar outside of the Commons at night was a milestone in my piloting and navigation skills. Can't believe I did it

[misty coyote]

How's the trucking going @mild grail ?

Made your millions yet?

[mild grail]

I've made my 500k back plus some.

Omw to buy FR-86 shield generators for the P. Caterpillar

[ornate ocean]

so what quant rocks worth going after

in terms of size I mean

[hollow sedge]

I've calculated, if you gotgud already with stability issues, utilizing boremax, Helix undisputed passive rock cracker, unless you got .952 resistence, then it's Impact. And then resistance has to be impossible number for Lancet, so it is better as a rapid surge cracker for umm, idk... but it's good thing to have.

So my new Mole setup is bring gadgets, Helix II with focus IIIs, Impact II with FLTR-XLs for just (most rocks), and then Surge Lancet for umm, also it's a good setup.

[ornate ocean]

only have a prospector

[hollow sedge]

I would meme your smol mining ship, but this isn't star-citizen

use lancet with surges

[ornate ocean]

are passive modules worth it?

[hollow sedge]

not on a prospector, maybe a stability one if you just apply 1 or 2 surges. but tbh lancet x3 surges just in case, if you're good already

[ornate ocean]

besides surge I keep seeing brant and stampeed metioned

[hollow sedge]

ew

Well yeah Stampede just pushes the green arc down faster so you don't need to maintain it as long.

[muted phoenix]

Haven't been on for awhile. Can't remember if or what the work around was for the timer of Quan.

[hollow sedge]

but lancet is such a stable laser, it's not necessary. really you just need surge so you can bring up the charge on rocks that take ages for any base model lasert to charge

and then when its at the green, you're in ez town because it's so stable lasering, you just hold it on a good % you feel out

stampede is just sweaty palm tryhard mario speed running

brandt + Surge + lifeline is good for newbie setup. But git-gud, use surge, ggez

[ivory gust]

Stampede is absolutely necessary on larger rocks. The laser won't have enough power on its own to hold in the green

[ivory gust]

What do you mean? You can't get around the 15 minute timer from when you start extracting. Fully break down the rock before you extract anything, and then head back to the refinery.

There are a few bugs currently around landing a Prospector in the hangar, so it's better to get impounded by floating in front of a closed hangar door without calling for landing

[ivory gust]

All of those numbers are somewhat meaningless since they only apply to non-quant. For Quant there are only two real choices due to the high instability

[hollow sedge]

not entirely useless, I've come across 25+ laranite 25+ bex combos that required high resistance but not quant level instability.

Not being quant doesn't make it useless. This is the medium speed income afterall, not meant for rushing income

[devout comet]

I don't remember what modules are good for prospector

[ivory gust]

Mr Sparkles just said what they are?

Assuming you're using a lancet:
If you're in the halo, you don't need modules, so you can use whatever you like. If you're having issues with instability, Brandt is good for that.

If you're on Lyria, you will run into rocks that will require a surge, and either a stampede or optimum in order to break them

[devout comet]

I tried lyria but I could never find rocks there so I just go to the halo

[devout comet]

But no I can't see the whole convo

[ivory gust]

In that case, no modules are necessary. Just use whatever you like.

[devout comet]

Ah ok

[ornate ocean]

How do you get to halo?

[ivory gust]

https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[ornate ocean]

So is it better to head straight to arc 1 once you got quant or do i have time to get more

[ivory gust]

Feel free to try it and find out, but no, you don't have time to go looking for more Quant rocks to mine

[rugged axle]

if you have people sitting on other rocks...you can do that. if you have to manually find the extra rocks, dont

[north oyster]

Quantainium mining is a one trick pony. The counter starts the second you vacuum the first bit of ore. If rock has other ore to back fill and top off the ship, grab it. Otherwise, make a beeline to the station

[rugged axle]

in a prospector though...you shouldnt have space after 1 rock

[stiff bramble]

anyone with a mole want a turret manned?

[ornate ocean]

Is it worth gathering and refining the other parts of the rock then?

[ivory gust]

Technically everything (other than inert) refines for a profit, but unless you're hauling to market with a C2 or cat the limiting factor will be space in the hauler, and refined junk ores will increase the number of trips you need to take

Most ores are also barely worth the time it takes to extract them

[stiff bramble]

https://uexcorp.space/mining

[obsidian shard]

Any recommended routes for bigger ships?

(C2, Caterpillar, etc)

[worthy scroll]

Nice try competition, you're not getting my limited stock items!

[obsidian shard]

This is a cargo hauling channel. What am I supposed to do then?

I can fill up with distilled spirits but it takes an entire day to sell them all.

[worthy scroll]

It was a joke.

[worthy scroll]

Very simple to use, it pretty much tells you what to buy and where.

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[obsidian shard]

Well yeah, but it hurts my head

[obsidian shard]

nvm i understand now

[river cove]

what modules should I put appart the flr xl in my prosp for planet mining?

we do minig with 2 prosp

[ornate ocean]

whats best quantum for c2 I am looking at eurkal

t2 is faster but eurbus is more effienct

[river cove]

I always ear ppl put the T2 even in the HH

[worthy scroll]

Stanton is so small that you can drop the fastest drives into S2 and S3 ships and be fine. Go with the TS-2.

[cobalt rivet]

Ye

Smol af

Pyro when!?

Getting bored of the few investigation missions we have

[worthy scroll]

Eventually ™️

[obsidian shard]

i just got pad rammed at Olisar with a ship absolutely full of loot (which is all of my money by the way)

Is there anything I can do to prevent this? Or am I doomed to be pad rammed once more (with all of my money gone)

[worthy scroll]

Pad ramming is a time honored troll d-bag move. It's reportable, and one of the very few things someone can be banned for. So, if you have proof, you can report that player.

[obsidian shard]

I have a screenshot of a "Press Charges" notification as I was standing at the pad.

CIG is going to do nothing about it

FUCK.

[worthy scroll]

It's one of the reasons why Olisar is a ghost town now. Pad ramming used to be rampant there. It's also one of the reasons why they're phasing out pads.

[vestal ravine]

This morning I was going to implement my devious
drug sales den at CruL5 and sacrifice the Nomad in the process.
That ship was treating me wrong lately.
The sale at the Private Property site was at a premium of 130 per unit
10 points more than my last trip there. I wanted to shoot the place
up but paid the extra “fee” and they had the Nomad fully loaded for
$313,447.00.
On the last 30km to L5 I came under attack
perhaps some double crosser wanted me dead.
I fled to another station and laid low overnight.
I just got the ship stored and my first sale was at 157
per unit for $6,766. For now, bye bye Nomad!

[worthy scroll]

Speaking of Pyro, Space Tomato just put up a video about it today.

[vestal ravine]

I was shot dead there on that dumb pad and never going back. There are certain spots you should avoid.

[worthy scroll]

Ha. PO used to be the main hub where everyone was all the time. I still can't get used to going there and seeing it empty.

[vestal ravine]

I joined up in December and like the open pad landings. But they need like size 20 laser cannons at the station or get that Idris in play faster or steeper penalties for "Pad Ramming." The recent attack I had was fair game in my book. Also as players we need to do more for self protection and just be smarter along the way.

[worthy scroll]

SC is basically an open world survival game with full PvP enabled. You have to play it like that. Trolls and griefers will always be a thing, so you have to be especially watchful for them.

[jovial matrix]

attempt #2 at hauling with my cat

[devout comet]

Drugs?

[vestal ravine]

Yea, a vice I have. Can now supply half of Stanton.

[jovial matrix]

was able to sell my cargo this time, swapping servers though because people started pirating around hurston right as I was leaving Arial

[cobalt rivet]

It do be like that sometimes

[jovial matrix]

got an ECN network intrusion alert as I was buying my cargo, and an avenger warlock came onto radar as I was leaving atmo

[cobalt rivet]

Hacking coms array is lame

I rack my cs up before bed

Then sleep consequences away

[jovial matrix]

indeed

[cobalt rivet]

Dont hate the player , hate the dev

If you run with at least one turret gunner you will generally be safe

[jovial matrix]

yeah

I just dont want to have to pay someone :)

[devout comet]

Like in game drugs

[cobalt rivet]

Gimballed size 4s ate al you need

[jovial matrix]

yes

[fast glacier]

are raven's roost and paradise cove still bugged?

[vestal ravine]

Yea there is a whole list of "Vice" type drugs...You want to learn the ropes on scoring some?

[muted phoenix]

I would load up at Lyria after breaking and setting my way home. It would go critical upon landing. I will try the closed hanger. Thanks

[devout comet]

I just wanna know what ur talking about lol so I guess?

[ivory gust]

There are drugs you can buy in game. They can be sold at some places. Most places that buy them only buy a few at a time, so it can be very hard to offload a haul

[devout comet]

Like the medical drugs?

[ivory gust]

No, illegal drugs.

[devout comet]

Hmm, must never have seen them then

[devout comet]

So how would you do it?

[ivory gust]

By not doing it at all, it's not worth it

[devout comet]

Oh I'm just curious, like do you find them or something?

[ivory gust]

You buy them from the places that sell them

[devout comet]

Oh ok

I wish there was something worth trading because I could just turn my brain off and do that for few hours and make some money

[vestal ravine]

I bought this ROC DS but the laser beam is not firing? Is this a known glitch? Seems like there should be another power on button.

[jovial matrix]

Are you inside the turret or are you still in the drivers seat?

[vestal ravine]

I just had to log off but yea I had exited the drivers seat and got in the mining seat. A post on redditt said you have to exit and enter to try and get the game to recognize you as the operator.

[ivory gust]

There's a power on button in the mining laser seat, did you hit that?

Top right of the viewport IIRC

[vestal ravine]

Yes I clicked the power button. The on screen info was all there but just no power from the laser. Next time I will do a pad repair or upgarde the components in advance.

[ivory gust]

One issue I sometimes have in ROCs is that I have to manually go unbind and rebind the activate laser mouse button

[vestal ravine]

I checked the bindings mine is set to Mouse 1 like the ROC.

[ivory gust]

In my case even when the binding already showed correctly, I had to unbind it and rebind it (to the same thing) for it to work. No idea why.

[vestal ravine]

I will look into that option also. Thx

[shell zodiac]

Is there a way you guys protect your ships doing cargo runs from padrammers in moons?

[vestal ravine]

Late loading in of three Hadanite gems: I took this new ROC DS to Daymar and while pinging in the ship I noticed a tight cluster of 3 white diamonds. I flew closer to get a good look; the gem icon never showed up. I wanted to get a look on foot and parked the ship. I walked around looking for them but did not really see them. Went back in the ship turned it on and three gem icons showed up in the window. These Hadanites were like teenagers, smaller than normal. So what's going on? If we have to park the ship near a diamond cluster for a 5-10 minute load in that will expand the time involved in mining. I know this is unusual but it is something I will be keeping an eye out for. What about you???

[glacial dagger]

Mining icons dont appear when on foot

You have to be in a ship/vehicle for them

[ivory gust]

Probably hand mineables, smaller than roc deposits

[ivory gust]

Record your video with the qr code enabled and submit to CIG if you get pad rammed since pad ramming is against TOS

[vestal ravine]

I rarely have this actual problem. If you see other ships on the radar maybe make a fly around or wedge the ship in a corner of the station. You could hit VTOL quickly right before you land... Use F4 to see what's going on around you. Not sure what else. Sorry.

[shell zodiac]

Meh. Thankfully chose to bring my new RAFT insteas of my C2. Otherwise I'd have lost a couple hundred thousand aUEC instead of the 70k i lost during that.

I'll keep in mind the QR thing. But i did submit a report to CIG with screenshots picturing the name of the accomplices, time and server + moon location in hopes to at least punish people like that.

[vestal ravine]

I do realize that, Just verifying the "gems" in person and see what type they were. Thanks!! Chris: Maybe that's why the laser wouldn't activate?

[glacial dagger]

Are you in armistice?

[vestal ravine]

No I was way out in the sticks.

[glacial dagger]

Power the mining on and off then on again?

Wait

You said your in the DS, right?

[vestal ravine]

yes

[glacial dagger]

Are you trying to mine from the cabin?

Because the DS has a dedicated exterior mining seat

[vestal ravine]

No, the mining turret starboard.

[glacial dagger]

Are you powering the ROC down before getting into the station?

[vestal ravine]

I rage quit and left everything out on Daymar lol

[glacial dagger]

bruh

[vestal ravine]

SLAM and server hopping: I went back to this SLAM business and worked through three server hops by region. It was a disaster; they follow you around. First sale 163 unit value for 174 units at $28K, 2nd region 162 unit value 43 units for 6k and the final one 161 unit value for 1 unit at 161.00 dollars. I rage quit again!! UPDATE: This morning I thought I would try a full system log off and power reboot on the pc. The sales improvements were modestly good over three efforts of this type with a region jump added: Sales of 13,792, 20,884, and 6,896. Not really going to do this all day but I can use the last session log in to continue on to other gameplay. So really you are adding just two extra log ins. I will have to fully explore what else this terminal takes as the walking distance is shorter than anything in a city. SLAM is one of the highest payouts. Thoughts or prayers always appreciated.

[glacial dagger]

I wouldn't make a habit of rage quiting, that's how you burn through your cash/gear 😄

[vestal ravine]

I know I had to buy a new calculator.

[glacial dagger]

Huh?

[vestal ravine]

I threw it against the wall.

[glacial dagger]

Why tho...

[sleek torrent]

Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but is the fuel refinery on ships implemented yet?

[tight latch]

Just curious will the cargo refractor work with the mining ore box's on the mining ships so I can pit the into a hauler

[glacial dagger]

So some ships have fuel scoops which means they can 'regen' fuel when meeting certain criteria

[sleek torrent]

Oh so it’s not something you can transfer yet?

[glacial dagger]

Eventually the main goas is to have all cargo be movable, be that purposefully or though more nefarious means

[glacial dagger]

Oh, refueling is in. The starfarers can currently refuel I think 20-odd ships currently?

[sleek torrent]

So the freelancer dur, can’t refuel, it only refers fuel for it’s own consumption?

[glacial dagger]

Yup. It's fuel scoops can only resupply it's own tanks

[sleek torrent]

I don’t have one but I was just looking at some other possible gameplay loops

Good to know.

I’m getting burnt out on cargo hauling… it’s profitable but still a grind and can get monotonous

[glacial dagger]

Combat is pretty reliable

[sleek torrent]

Yea but isn’t the max reward like 25k for ERT’s?

I currently make 100k to 120k on a cargo run that takes me around 30 minutes. But it’s just back and fourth to the same places.

I love combat, but it doesn’t seem as profitable after having to refuel and rearm every time. Unless the ERT’s make much more than 25k but that’s what the wiki says. So I havnt been trying to get my rep up for them

[glacial dagger]

Someone hasn't heard about the emergency combat requests then 😄

Hit up the medium and high ones and yoru netting over 500k in about 20-30 mins

[sleek torrent]

The player beacons?

[glacial dagger]

Nope, their AI

[sleek torrent]

Ahh

Didn’t know they got better. I’ve only seen from 4k to 15k ones

[glacial dagger]

Oh yh 😄

They appear on the hud and are in the service beacon tab 😄

[sleek torrent]

You just need to get your rating up and they will increase in difficulty and pay?

[glacial dagger]

Nope, these should appear for anyone and everyone so long as you dont have a CS

[sleek torrent]

Most pay for those I’ve seen is 15k

I’ll keep watching out

[glacial dagger]

Maybe try a couple, get yoru rep up then

[ivory gust]

Group ERTs pay upward of 100k and can be done in <15min in a good ship

[sleek torrent]

Will do

[glacial dagger]

Their not the VLRTS to ERTs though, their seperate

Also, you only have a limited time to get to them and start them

You can also only have 1 active at a time

[sleek torrent]

Okay thanks, I’ll check it out

[ivory gust]

You also don't need to refuel and rearm after every ERT, only every few

[sleek torrent]

You do if your not very good

😂

[glacial dagger]

Just use laser weapons and dont bother with missiles, their pretty much pointless rn

[ivory gust]

Unless you're doing something like Eclipse or Retaliator ERTs, just one-shot the target and move on

[ornate ocean]

just got c2 besides qd what should I upgrade on it?

[sleek torrent]

Why key do I press to accept the hud beacons

Do I click them?

[ivory gust]

When the hud message pops up it tells you what key to press to accept

[sleek torrent]

Okay thanks

[winter steeple]

does the mole need any attachments to mine quantanium

[barren marsh]

Bare minimum, you’ll need to upgrade the mining heads. At least one should be a lancet. Ideally you’ll want some modules installed as well.

[vestal ravine]

Just got frustrated a bit. It was a long day. But I have some new results in. Check out the post. Take care!

[devout comet]

What modules would yall recommend

For halo mining an maybe Lyria mining but I can never find em

[barren marsh]

I don’t like actives so I run a lancet with 2 Vaux and a focus and I bring waveshift gadgets for tough rocks.

[devout comet]

I don't want like limited use ones either

[barren marsh]

Many people recommend surge and stampede actives

[devout comet]

Active ones are ones that you have to click a button to use em right?

[barren marsh]

Yes, and they only have 5 uses before you need to replace them

[rustic holly]

are some of the cargo consoles still glitched, i remember trying to haul a few months ago and the cargo consoles wouldn't detect my ship

[barren marsh]

I’ve noticed a few times the station doesn’t recognize you’ve landed and won’t detect the ship. Listen for the doors starting to close and the welcome message. If that doesn’t happen take the ship slightly off the pad and touch back down and it’ll usually recognize it

[drowsy widget]

does any one need cargo transported i have a c2 and i can transport stuff

[barren marsh]

Very little cargo can be transferred between players currently

[worthy scroll]

Good luck trying that.

[ornate ocean]

Bfor the c2 should i get the military shields or the industrial onea

[spring prism]

@versed stratus Just so you know, there is this channel for asking those kinds of questions next time. This channel is way more calm

Here's an example of Laranite trading with the Avenger Titan. Average 4,000 aUEC per trip:

[versed stratus]

cool but uh that one explorer dude asked the question not me lol

[spring prism]

Exploration Enjoyer?

@bright quartz Was it you who asked this? Chat moved by so fast

[versed stratus]

well not about the titan, he just asked the best ships for cargo

[spring prism]

Oh, the best ships would be the C2 and Caterpillar then. In fact, you could say they're the only good ships.

^ Those per trip amounts skyrocket to 120-220... thousand aUEC per trip with those two

[bright quartz]

Yis

[spring prism]

Provided you have enough initial capital to buy the commodity

and the patience to wait for the stock to refill

that's why some people go for titanium and stuff instead

[bright quartz]

Titanium’s pretty cool

[versed stratus]

i wonder how they will implement the Hull series

[bright quartz]

Made 10 grand a trip with a freelancer

[versed stratus]

cuz 1) the players will be loading their own cargo

[bright quartz]

Wait wot

[versed stratus]

2. Hull B and up can store alot of cargo

[bright quartz]

Like use vehicles to load cargo?

[versed stratus]

yeah at some point players will be doing that themselves, hopefully you can pay for someone doing it for you

[versed stratus]

or a tractor beam

[bright quartz]

Sweet

It’ll be pretty nice for pirate gameplay

Or even better, player trading

[versed stratus]

definitely

[bright quartz]

God I can’t wait

[spring prism]

The bigger Hulls won't be able to land planetside. They'll have to do station to station trading.

[versed stratus]

ye ik but thats for the Hull C and up

[bright quartz]

Or perhaps there will be a ship that goes up to them

[versed stratus]

the B and A can land planet side

[spring prism]

Eventually we'll have cargo dispensers, freight elevators, etc. You can already find the cargo dispensers in the current hangar bays, they're the large jutting out wall with the window next to it near the elevator

[bright quartz]

I am really looking forward to these features

[spring prism]

The C2, by the way, is the easier of the two I mentioned. It's more or less designed to be solo'd (or with one other person.) All of the components are on one deck, and easy to access, right outside the bridge area.

It also flies like a fighter.

Which is why I will always just describe it as... a really BIG Avenger Titan.

[versed stratus]

also looks the best inside and out imo

👀

[spring prism]

Really personal preference. I don't mind the machinery/industrial feel of having to walk catwalks and going up exposed stairwells

But yeah, the C2 is really slick

[stark torrent]

Crusader Industries (CRUS)

C2 Hercules Starlifter

The C2 Hercules Starlifter is a civilian heavy transport manufactured by Crusader Industries. Utilizing the patented Hercules military-grade spaceframe and expanding cargo capacity, while sacrificing barely any firepower, the C2 has taken the private sector by storm. It has become the industry standard for racing teams, ship dealers and manufacturers, construction orgs, mining corporations, and even large-scale touring entertainment outfits.

Role

Transport

Crew

1 – 2

Cargo

696.00 SCU

Length

94.00m

Height

23.00m

Beam

70.00m

Mass

3,139,240 Kg

Combat Speed

135 m/s

Max Speed

963 m/s

In-Game Price

4,925,500 aUEC

Pledge Price

US$400.00

Status

Flight Ready

Links

Galactapedia · Pledge store · Presentation 1 · Presentation 2 · Brochure · Trailer · Q&A · SC Unpacked · #DPSCalculator · SPViewer

Powered by starcitizen.tools | Last Updated Sunday, 31 July 2022

[spring prism]

I'm considering it for IAE, depending.

[ivory gust]

We'll see how it ends up being impacted by the cargo refactor

[bright quartz]

Cargo refactor?

[spring prism]

It's a rework of cargo planned for 3.18

[bright quartz]

Haven’t played since 3.15 lmao

[spring prism]

Cargo boxes will be able to be moved around

[bright quartz]

What will it do?

[bright quartz]

Oh

[spring prism]

Eventually, we'll have to manually load (or get AI to do it over time) through the cargo dispensers I mentioned

[bright quartz]

You’ll be able to pick up cargo boxes in 3.18?

Thats cool

[spring prism]

We saw RMC SCU Boxes be able to be hand-tractored, and since those actually are SCU Boxes, we're assuming yes

RMC is a product of salvage, which is also coming in 3.18, the vulture and reclaimer make RMC SCU Boxes

[bright quartz]

God dayum

Lemme read some of the patch notes and I’ll come back, a lot had changed

[spring prism]

3.17.2 is the current patch

3.18 is coming mid-november

going to have to rename this to cargo-salvage-mining for a channel soon

[bright quartz]

Whats this?

[spring prism]

One of the ship packages: https://starcitizen.tools/List_of_ship_packages

The expensive ship packages, like that one, are only available to concierge (1000 USD or more spent)

grey market (or received via gifting) don't count toward your total spent

[bright quartz]

Jesus

3500

[spring prism]

Oh, it gets better:

[bright quartz]

Ain’t no way i am ever pledging a ship

[spring prism]

^ That one is "almost" all the ships

Obviously it excludes stuff like the promo, etc. ones (IE: AMD/Intel/etc.)

[bright quartz]

Oh hell naw

[spring prism]

And if you're wondering about that "VFG Industiral Hangar"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oHXPGcrI8I

They were disabled a while back

[bright quartz]

You’ll need to buy hangers in the future?

[spring prism]

Ship packages and pledges come with them, always.

[worthy scroll]

Ships come with hangars. Look in your hangar on the site and you'll see them.

[bright quartz]

so if i only bought the mustang alpha start i’ll only have a small hanger or..?

[spring prism]

You get this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxh2Ttz0s4

Just remember, these are the old ones, they'll probably change

[worthy scroll]

It literally says on the site, for every ship what hangar comes with it.

[spring prism]

Hangars were basically a "Show off" area of your ship(s)

[bright quartz]

And if i buy a ship in-game?

[spring prism]

You can read all about the hangar system here: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/hangar-module

[bright quartz]

Sorry for the dumb questions

[spring prism]

Just remember, they've been disabled since 3.13.1a

[burnt storm]

what micro tech moon is the best for roc mining

[ivory gust]

None

[burnt storm]

okay

[north oyster]

Aberdeen is best for hadanite. Yes, you do need the Pembroke armor but it is worth the effort

[burnt storm]

but thats in hurston correct?

[north oyster]

Most ships in the game are able to make it from microtech to hurston systems

[burnt storm]

yeah I have an msr with an xl-1. Its not that I can't make it, I was just curious what I could do in MT system

[north oyster]

There are targets of opportunity on the moons around microtech but the value of them doesn't compare to Aberdeen

At one time microtech used to have a 100% hadanit, miss those days

[devout comet]

Yea I don't like those

[burnt storm]

okay, thank you.

[misty coyote]

If you can spawn in ground vehicles, it would save a trip to mining ports right?

[spring prism]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[misty coyote]

Fair

Would it make the platinum bay depots redundant then?

Shrug likely inbound I think.....

Speculation lacks foundation

[vestal ravine]

I use my Cutty to bed log but I never log back in there. Wish I could however. Sometimes.

[meager gorge]

Are you bedlogging by looking to the far left and selecting log out? Or are you just laying down and logging out?

[fast glacier]

is orinth still bugged?

[vestal ravine]

Once I lay down I have looked around a little bit but not to the far left. However I will look into this further. Thanks for bringing this up! Will get back to this post and report what's happened.

[meager gorge]

Ya of course. Look as far left as you can and you’ll see the option to logout

[errant dew]

Or to the 'open' side of the bed. For me in a titan it's to the right.

[misty coyote]

Bed logging is twitchy.....OM points don't work too well, but stations parked outside works OK.
Logging on planet surfaces is risky... Your ship spawns in without landing gear, then you spawn in where you logged.... So you could be inside the ship Hull.

The middle of nowhere I think has problems as the server doesn't know where you are, and you could get infinite loading screen, which then defaults to your last visited station.

[jovial matrix]

Why would you beg log outside a station when you could just land?

[south bone]

Is trading any good at the moment?

[bright quartz]

Apparently only if you have either a C2 or a cat

Anything with medium and small ships is underwhelming with at most a 10,000 auec gain, then you switch to the C2 and cat and its up to 240,000 gain with full load of laranite and it takes a while for it to reach full stock

[south bone]

Should I be doing tours of the different sites on the planet or just go make some coffee while the lara ticks back up?

[cyan juniper]

I’ve had pretty good returns running medical supplies around Microtech with a Taurus (174 SCU). You just need to know where to land on New Babbage to skip all of the trains and elevators.

[bright quartz]

Up to you really

[bright quartz]

Medical supplies are different

Thats another story of it’s own, however i am no professional, there are people here that can answer this much better

[fast glacier]

where?

can you send a screenshot of where you land?

Also, I hope one day to be able to trade on a ship with 10,000 of SCU

like twice as big as the Javelin

just that it will probably cost 100,000,000 aUEC

or more

[cyan juniper]

I’m working. This guy has the right spot though. https://youtu.be/xutjDRZKK0Q

[vestal ravine]

I think he means the garage entrance for the land vehicles spawn. It's in the Commons Mall area at New Babbage. Outside there are three domes you fly to. The area is unsecured so be careful.

[fast glacier]

that's so cool

[cyan juniper]

Yea, turns New Babbage from the city with the longest turn around time to the city with the shortest turn around time.

[fast glacier]

these days I just trade widow at GH

but when I scale up, I will look into other routes

[north oyster]

Once you learn the access to the garage, you won't have any issues getting back there. There's been times when trade was more active to have 5 or 6 large ships stacked up on the frozen lake and driveway up to the vehicle hanger

[cobalt rivet]

[jovial matrix]

That sounds pretty dope

It’d be cool to land and see a bunch of cats/carracks/C2’s all grouped together, ready to sell their cargo

[fast glacier]

it's not cool

the more people present = the less you sell

= less profit = less fun

[ivory gust]

Except that supply/demand is shared across all servers in the region, so nobody being there doesn't indicate that there will be more profit

[devout comet]

I have 4 mill I'm gonna buy a prospector and a I wanna do some mining with the prospector what ship should I get for the money I have left to sell refined Quant?

[foggy spear]

You can rent a cutlass, freelancer or andromeda to run quant. This way you can save for one that you like.

[devout comet]

I could do that

[foggy spear]

After your done outfitting your ships, you will be short on funds for a transport. I personally like the constellations, they fit more as a multi role, but freelancer max is cheap and has really nice cargo hold.

[ivory gust]

Worthwhile purchasing options (for hauling quant):
Argo RAFT: 96 SCU, 1.9M aUEC
MISC Freelancer MAX: 120 SCU, 2.2M aUEC
RSI Constellation Taurus: 174 SCU, 3.3M aUEC
Drake Caterpillar: 564 SCU, 4.7M aUEC
Crusader C2 Hercules Starlifter: 696 SCU, 4.9M aUEC

I'd recommend waiting until you have enough to get the MAX at least

[nimble ledge]

Thinking about buying Caterpillar, how is it compared to Hercules and is Cargo still profitable ?

[ivory gust]

There is no reason to buy a caterpillar if buying in game right now. The C2 is better in every objective way.

Cargo can be profitable but only with C2 or caterpillar. It's also very risky since you can easily lose your haul to bugs or "pirates"

[nimble ledge]

So you can call Caterpillar useless in current patch?

[ivory gust]

The C2 is objectively better right now. If you like the caterpillar more, that's still a valid reason to use it.

If you're looking to buy with real money, there are changes in the future that will potentially make the caterpillar better by comparison

[nimble ledge]

Nah just buying with credits

[misty coyote]

A freelancer MAX

[nimble ledge]

And C2 is fully cargo? Could I use it as daily driver if I want?

[fallen atlas]

C2 is massive and should not be used for a daily driver lol.

[ivory gust]

You could but yeah, it's massive and unwieldy

[misty coyote]

I'm using a Constellation Taurus as a daily driver... And its a bit much.....

[north oyster]

I have the Taurus and the MAX, while I like both, the MAX seems to be more compact (relatively) for hauling and ROC mining

[ivory gust]

taurus more versatile though, since you can use it for bounty missions too

[jovial matrix]

You can use a Taurus to do pretty much anything

[north oyster]

As for ROC mining, the MAX is easier to get into tight spots than the Taurus imo. I do like the Black livery on the MAX, my Taurus is sporting the Red

Un-scannable Rocks FIX tip!!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PnU9CrCcGE0

I'm going to go try this NOW

[turbid crystal]

i just found an amazing quantanium cluster, is there any way to set a precise waypoint so i can come back and mine all of them?

[ivory gust]

Need to have picked up a delivery or research mission beforehand, then you can have the box marker to use... otherwise, need a second player to come to you

[nimble ledge]

What would be an estimated profit per run in C2?

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[nimble ledge]

Thanks

[ivory gust]

Expect 80-120k

Issue is that you won't be able to fill up on the high-profit stuff, supply is too low

[turbid crystal]

can i have more than 3 work orders going in the refinery?

[ivory gust]

You can have as many orders as you want going

[turbid crystal]

and it will store my refined quantanium from the finished refinings until i collect it?

[ivory gust]

yes

[turbid crystal]

what ship do i need to transport that? i have about 2-3000 cSCU per order

im fine doing 3/4 runs tho

will the cutlass black cut it or do i need to rent something bigger?

[jovial matrix]

Should be able to haul one order at a time in a cutty

Andromeda can do 2-3 I believe

[turbid crystal]

im just confused because in the refinery it says cSCU and on the internet it says cuttlass has 46 SCU

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

[turbid crystal]

so how much cSCU is one SCU then?

[jovial matrix]

Afaik 1SCU = 100cSCU

[ivory gust]

If you're renting, Cutlass can carry 46 SCU (4600 units), and can be rented at the refinery itself. Freelancer 66 SCU and Andromeda 96 SCU, can be rented on some planets.

Long term, you'll probably want to buy your own hauler.

Worthwhile purchasing options:
Argo RAFT: 96 SCU, 1.9M aUEC
MISC Freelancer MAX: 120 SCU, 2.2M aUEC
RSI Constellation Taurus: 174 SCU, 3.3M aUEC
Drake Caterpillar: 564 SCU, 4.7M aUEC
Crusader C2 Hercules Starlifter: 696 SCU, 4.9M aUEC

[turbid crystal]

alright

so 46SCU is 4600 cSCU right?

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

[turbid crystal]

yeah then the cutlass shall do

thank you very much guys:)

[jovial matrix]

Np

[burnt storm]

yes its 4600 cSCU

[turbid crystal]

thanks, ah and just one more thing, i get 88 credit for 1 cSCU right?

so for 4600cSCU i get about 400k

sounds too good to be true

thats why im asking ;D

[fallen atlas]

Depends on the commodity you're selling.

Quant?

[turbid crystal]

refined quant

yes

[fallen atlas]

yes

[turbid crystal]

damn okay, then i better get out there and look for some more, thanks again guys!

[fast glacier]

How long does it take to mine that much?

[ivory gust]

45min-1.5 hours depending on skill and luck

[devout comet]

Why max and not raft

Hm would the upgrades cost though I might not be able to afford either

[jovial matrix]

Because the max is much more versatile than the raft is, and it’s got a bigger cargo hold for only a little bit more money

[devout comet]

Hmm ok

[devout comet]

Could I do trading with it? I want to get into it but I can't figure out routes and stuff

[jovial matrix]

You can do some beginner hauling with a max yeah, it won’t make a ton of money though, I get like 10-20k per run with it

[ivory gust]

If you want to actually do trading as viable income, really need a caterpillar or C2. We'll see if cargo refactor changes anything in that regard, but I doubt it

[burnt storm]

I'd be fine with an overall cargo buff, I can't imagine theres much ways to make small cargo viable without also buffing bigger cargo but that's probably fine

[empty sail]

What's a good place to mine with a prospector?

[ivory gust]

Lyria or the Aaron halo

[jovial matrix]

bought a load of medical supplies without realizing it was all of my money

made it back to NB safe though

[ivory gust]

I am really curious to see how they end up balancing this. Even ignoring the <10 SCU "light freight" ships and starting at the Nomad with 24 SCU, Star Citizen has a huge spread between the smallest cargo hauler and the largest (currently Hull E, 98340 SCU)-- ~4000 times as much.

I don't think any other similar space sim has such a large gap.

• For MMOs, EVE's freighters only hold ~300 times as much as the beginning hauling ships
• Elite Dangerous's Type-9 freighter is only ~35x the Hauler
• For single player, X4 seems to be on par with Elite at about 30x
• Freelancer (unmodded) was only 4x between the Rhino and the Dromedary

How do you balance it so that the guy in the Hull E isn't making 4000x as much as the guy in the Nomad? Limited supply/demand items with higher profit are one way to balance things, but the current implementation in SC is pretty poor. Supply/demand need to scale with the number of players, not be a global fixed number--per-server would work better than the current models.

[north oyster]

Trade isn't going to be anything close to what it is now. I'm pretty sure that some trade routes and chances will like behind walls related to reputation. Also, for the huge ships like the Hull C, D and E, the captain of the ship will not be the owner of the cargo

[ivory gust]

And at that point wtf do you do with a "light freight" ship with only 4 SCU

[north oyster]

drugs, contra, or maybe high value cargo that can only be obtained and sold in small quantities

Maybe a mission that is to carry some relics in a small ship to a desolate location that can't be easily reached with large ships.

[ivory gust]

Jump point size is going to be one balancing point I think

[north oyster]

The larger Hull series are also intersystem transport while the RAFT, MAX, Taurus, Hull A & B might be intrasystem transport

The Hercules Starlifter C2 might be so inconvenient to load for cargo that it will be strictly a transport carrier

I have the Hull C aspiring towards the pro-trade level (if there is one)

ALMOST had a Unicorn ... did a 31.99 SCU of Quantainium run to the refinery

[ivory gust]

C2 shouldn't have had the entire hold be for cargo imo. Should've been like the Valk where there's a ton of space for vehicles but not much cargo

[fast glacier]

yeah like a bunker on asteroids

[jovial matrix]

question for all the people who mine on lyria. What's your experience with pirates? If/when you get interdicted, is it typically on the way to a refinery, or do you get jumped while out mining?

[fast glacier]

how often do the trade terminals get refreshed? any advice on how to view them fast without refreshing 24/7?

[full mantle]

20 mins incs i think

[hollow sedge]

lol @ literally every planet being shit to mine on except lyria

ok ita produces big agricium cluster, but it's not worth because it's windy as heck

[marble crater]

would be nice if mining other ore besides Quantainium was worth the time

[vestal ravine]

Any roc miners around? My mining arm wont move down to extract...Help Found out I had the arm up glitch, could not undo it. Had to hand collect 6 stones worth of Dolivine. Big hassle both the ROC DS and the ROC let me down but the ROC did crack all 6 stones but would not extract.

[cyan hawk]

does anyone wanna help a newbie out by taking them along in a mining trip?

[fallen lodge]

Whats a good place to sell diamonds near microtech

[jovial matrix]

new babbage at the TDD

[misty coyote]

This is the problem as it stands....

Where to sell is always going to be a planetary city's trade district. No variation, no reason to look.

Go to mining outpost, get Laranite, then Titanium. Fly to city and sell, end loop.

[marble crater]

no dynamic economy until Quanta is in game and developed. all Coming Soon™

[rugged axle]

@vestal ravine if you have the "Arm in face" bug, take a drink of water. It'll fix it

[fiery cosmos]

I’ve been away from SC for about 5 months. Are mining gadgets useful for cracking large mass rocks on Lyria or is Surge/Stampede still the meta? And if they meta hasn’t changed, are the new gadgets really useful at all??

[north oyster]

I don't use them but they have value if you want to take the time. I mainly mine in the Halo so all I need is a Surge with the Lancet to tackle any rock there.

[ornate ocean]

So when prospector m8nning and you are in the red zone is it better to turn off the drill or make a sharp turn?

I keep blowing up

[fiery cosmos]

Did they increase rock mass maximums in the Halo?

[north oyster]

No, they are are still about 5K ish max

But it seems it is easier to crack rocks in space of the same size than rocks on surface of moons or planets

[fiery cosmos]

Power off. Faster than powering down.

[ornate ocean]

As in shutting off drill or ship?

[north oyster]

Just the power to the laser

Are you using the mouse wheel for control?

I switched to a slider for mining laser power control, it is a 1000 times better than the mouse wheel

[fiery cosmos]

I tried a Boremax last night on a 8k rock on Lyria. No help.

[north oyster]

8K rocks require a specific skill set that isn't easily obtained. You will be using two surges, a stampede and one other.

[north oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6kzplFHG3M

[fiery cosmos]

I’m aware. Thx. I was curious if that meta changed with the addition of gadgets. So, in short, it seems the addition of gadgets has not changed the solo’ing of large mass rocks.

[north oyster]

ah, rgr. It does help but "slightly" I have seen where players experimented and cracked huge rocks with a ROC and about 100 gadgets, LOL

[fiery cosmos]

I put 5 Bore max’s on that 8k chonker last night and it seemed to do nothing.

Maybe 8k is a bit big. Maybe 6k they’d be helpful.

Or “useful”

[fiery cosmos]

I’m going to try more combinations going forward. Anyone with insightful info regarding gadgets and/or module combinations would be very welcome. Things that stray from the Surge/Stampede meta.

[ornate ocean]

What do you mean a slider?

[north oyster]

A slider like on a Joystick or stand along slide for power input

[cobalt rivet]

why does the responsiveness of the power slider suck so bad with mouse

I would literally scroll down slightly and it wouldnt even change

[worthy scroll]

That delay is there with any input device.

[north oyster]

the mouse wheel has some odd interface adjustment speeds. It made mining awful for me. When I started using joysticks, the first thing I noticed for mining was the massively improved control with a slider dealing with the laser head

[rugged axle]

Mouse wheel isn't counted as "1:1", whereas a slider is.

In other words One "click" of a mouse wheel doesn't equal 1% power.

[indigo fox]

Is there a certain processing method I should be using to refine ore? There’s a bunch of different companies to choose from

[ivory gust]

The two that matter are Dinyx Solventation (highest yield, longest wait) and Ferron Exchange (same yield, 1/3 time for 2x cost)

[indigo fox]

Thank you

[shut remnant]

whats the cargo website thingy?

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[jovial matrix]

UEX corp and SC trade tools are both good websites

[shut remnant]

thanks

[vestal ravine]

Thanks, I had to go back to the ship several times for a drink of water but could not figure out how to take a item from the ship's inventory and drop it on the floor or turn it into a carriable package. I had heard you need to "pick up or grab" a helmet box for instance and that resets your arms. Anyway I am going to create such a box at the mining station loot boxes and carry it onto the ship. Not sure why the DS model will not extract or mine. I think I will destroy it in the field and recall it maybe it will get fixed. Do you think buying a second model will "fix" this problem? I really like the DS and there SHOULD be a way to get it to work as advertised. WWJD ???

[ivory gust]

DS works fine for me, I doubt you need to buy a second one. Destroying and claiming is a good start

[rugged axle]

Never used a roc of any kind, so can't tell you lol

[void creek]

how useful are mining modules?

[ivory gust]

Depends on where you're mining. If you're mining in the halo, they're optional and not needed. If you're mining on Lyria, they're absolutely required to mine the larger rocks.

[void creek]

so depends on rock size & type

[devout comet]

Anyone got recommendations for mining modules, for a prospector probably space mining because I can never find them on moons, and I'm not a big fan of active modules I much prefers passive but since I have enough friends I'm ok with 1 surge but need ideas for the other 2

[north oyster]

If mining in Aaron's Halo (where I mine almost 100% of the time). You only need a Lancet and the surge modules. Later you can upgrade your Quantum Engine - I would recommend the Atlas. One trick to get less dud scans of asteroids is

1. remove laser head from ship
2. spawn ship
3. stow ship
4. restore laser head and consumables (surge)
   ALSO You must know how to use active angle ping scanning, otherwise you are wasting your time.

I would recommend mining out of CRU-L1 and jumping to ARC-L3. Drop out at 11.5M Km from ARC-L3. Be sure to then set your return plot back to the Station at CRU-L1

When you drop into the Halo, First thing is go into mining mode. Then Set your ping to 179 or 90 degrees. After you ping, then zoom your ping angle to 2 degrees and focus on your targets of opportunity. If within 12Km you will get either no return or the top right of your screen will show the ID of the asteroids.

You want only Q type asteroids. When closing in on a Q cluster, keep pinging and you will see data start to show up. If the Instability is 2, 4, 5, or so, it will probably be a very low % of Quantainium asteroid. You will get use to determining that.

You may know this but when you get your rock ready to break, crack it all the way down to purple before you collect any ore. When ready, make note of where your quantum marker is to head back. Vacuum up the Quan, hit B to engage Quan, Zip back to station.

[ivory gust]

You do not need a surge in the Halo, all rocks there can be mined with a Lancet alone and patience

[north oyster]

True, I like the time is saves me

I run to slots with surge

[haughty void]

Hi, im new to the game and i would really like to teamup with someone and start mining or doing cargo missions

anyone interested?

[devout comet]

I knew everything else but had no idea abou that ping stuff I didn't even know you could narrow it

[north oyster]

this is vital, I'll link a video for you by RED Monster SC

[devout comet]

Yea this might have saved me loads of time instead of running around like a headless chicken

[north oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz8TOCUa0Ms

I turned over 275K aUEC in 20 minutes with this trick

Also, if you use CRU-L1, you will get a 3% bonus for Quantainium. Like Winter said earlier, use the Dinyx or the Ferron.

[devout comet]

Thx much

[haughty void]

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[viral heath]

hmm astatine or titanium/larantite

[shut remnant]

what ships can fit a Nova?

and is there any way to load vehicles into a caterpliiar?

[devout comet]

Is there a thing that has what all the mining moduels do?

[versed kettle]

What is the best thing to mine with the prospector and where can you find it?

[meager gorge]

C2 and A2 can fit a nova

[north oyster]

Astatine from Ida is an awesome pull if you can fill her up

I think it offers some of the best margin and profit

[meager gorge]

Quantanium. Aaron halo belt and lyria are your best spots at the moment for it.

[north oyster]

Rental or one you own?

[meager gorge]

They have descriptions in game about what they do. But you can Google them or use the star citizen tools for a faster reference I believe

[devout comet]

Oh ok, I was just hoping there was a graph thing or umm table of what they do but I'll do that

[north oyster]

Also reposting this neat trick to get less dud scans of asteroids is

1. remove laser head from ship
2. spawn ship
3. stow ship
4. restore laser head and consumables (surge)

[versed kettle]

I own one

[north oyster]

Are you familiar with Active Angle Ping tuning?
Are you new to mining with the Prospector?
If new, then mine any and everything above the value of Agricium. Practice making hauls to the refinery, choose Dinyx or Ferron (Dinyx is cheaper but longer to complete). Get the Lancet laserhead for your Prosp.