industrial-professions

[delicate relic]

ohh I know a purpose built ship is more common and likely better at its given goal, I am "fingers crossed" that modular ships can be converted by repair ships like vulcan ( or really another tali with a repair module if they offer it), and that modules can be hauled in cargo bays. so like a tali in a remote system can have stuff swapped in it in system vs flying back to civlazition to change configs for a new task. and that I hope there will be a lot of bigger and smaller ships that can do similar.

The big game play loop I am really hoping for is the space exploring tiny group and staying in deep space for weeks irl time ( not constantly in game, but for like a month just run a deep space op bed logging in space ). and I think a moduler ship will help extend the time we can stay in the void before having to come back, while also lowering the diffrent ships we may want to take.

[ivory gust]

They make more money selling 4 different mostly-similar ships than 1 ship with modules

[worthy scroll]

Eh, I think it's more that the actual design of purpose built ships differ in more ways than just swapping a module in them.

[delicate relic]

I dont get what you are saying then? Like I assume a none moduler ship would just be more effecient at its task. do you mean something mroe then that?

[worthy scroll]

Take the Connies for example, the different models are quite different from each other, it isn't just a swap of the belly section.

[ivory gust]

kinda is just a swap of the belly section though

[worthy scroll]

But it isn't.

[delicate relic]

? I am lost as to where you are going, I ge that the connie is a ship designed for a reason, and made from the factory in default configurations for diffrent roles, but I am talking about ships that are made to have a section just dropped out like the warden or tali.

so the connie is not moduler, it is sold in diffrent configurations.

[worthy scroll]

The Vanguards and Avengers are meant to be modular, but you can also buy the already made variants of it.

[delicate relic]

ya, but the already made variants are still moduler.

of the vanguard at least

[worthy scroll]

Yes. Theoretically.

[delicate relic]

and that of all the theoreticall modular ships the tali is the most moduler imho sicne its the only one you can buy without modules.

[worthy scroll]

Yeah, the "base" model. Which you can also get the Endeavor and Caterpillar in.

[delicate relic]

ahh forgot endevor, how does the caterpillar have a base version? or is that the only version of it made? I assumed a base catapiller would be just the back section and command section?

also I am still kinda lost with what you are going towards. are you saying that you think there may be a version of a tali or vanguard that has locked in modules and is sold as a non modular version. or where you just bringing it up as a contrast to modular ships?

[worthy scroll]

Well, the Retaliator "base" isn't an empty shell either, it's still a bomber.

[delicate relic]

they are all over on that. I bought it figuring it is an empty shell. if it was the bomber version with the same guns as the torp version it should be nearly the same price as the torp version.

but its so much cheaper and they sold some mods with it I assumed it came with only what you purchased for it. ( cept of course the loaner is the torp boat. )

right now on rsi site the base is called the heavy gunship, and the topr one is called heavy bomber. The both models still shows everywhere as having smaller guns also (size 2 turrets, vs 3's and 4's of the bomber ) So I am courious if maybe they are both modular, but one of them will never have more then the smaller guns... meh, This ship was always a iffy buy imho for the base version. one of my rolls of the dice.

[ivory gust]

Turrets are the same on both

The modules are the only difference afaik

[delicate relic]

ahh thats good then!

and sorry for this conversation about salvaging modules turn in to something better for the flight n combat section LOL

[vestal ravine]

Got two observations I need to report on. One is I was mining for Taranite on Wala. The two rocks out of some 6 were low percent Taranite and when cracked both "lost" all the Taranite. Is this a server issue or did those chunks go underground? Any input? Second thing is got on a stable server mining 11 Aphorites with a ROC. The extractions of the gems were fast and no other hiccups. I hope to see more of this in the future especially with a tedious task like ROC mining.

[delicate relic]

I think if you let it wander in to the red while cracking it, it will dystroy some of the stuff in the rock even if it goes back to green? but just a guess, I am not super knowledgeable about it.

[serene quest]

afaik it's only detrimental if it pops while in the red

[ivory gust]

Nah, it's definitely detrimental if it pops while in the green, but the overcharge region is filled at all

[vestal ravine]

These were pretty easy to mine stayed in the green will keep an eye on this issue. Thanks all.

[serene quest]

that's what I meant. If it pops, and you're in the red (any sort of overcharge) it's a bad thing

[cobalt rivet]

My rocks when i pop them

[gaunt fiber]

I’m looking to get a few people to do regular mining runs with. I have a Mole and a Prospector. Ideal team would be a crew of three in the Mole, 1-2 scouts (or 2-3 Prospectors) and a set schedule of 2 hours of mining weekly. DM me if you’re interested. I’m in PTD timezone.

[glacial dagger]

Your probably better off checking out #looking-for-session if you want to actaully get a group together 😄

[hollow sedge]

I

I’m losing it

[gaunt fiber]

@glacial dagger thanks for the suggestion, I’ve seen people suggest posting here if it’s mining related, as that channel is more for general gameplay.

[hollow sedge]

I’m losing my fucking mind

[normal flax]

Does Bajini Point have a refinery or no?

[normal flax]

Also how is it that there are so many bugged rocks on Lyria I've had 20 rocks in a row that are unmineable

[foggy spear]

Hop servers

[ivory gust]

No

[idle yacht]

Guys, after I collect the work order from the Refinery, should I see the cargo as boxes inside my ship?

[ivory gust]

Not for quantanium

[normal flax]

I have seen it for quant before, but you need to have at least like half a mil aUEC worth in the hold before it starts to show boxes

500,000 aUEC of Quant is only 4-5 boxes

[idle yacht]

How do I check in which ship I unloaded my quant? XD I dont remember which one I choose when clicked collect lol

[ivory gust]

Nope, Quant doesn't appear at all. Only other things appear. You must have had other resources as well

[ivory gust]

Can go to admin terminal on galleria level, that should show cargo in the ships

[fast glacier]

I had 300k of cargo on my ship

and SC crashed mid-flight :/

[idle yacht]

Thanks!

[worthy scroll]

For a client crash, provided your ship didn't hit something and blow up between the time of the crash and the server noticing you were gone, you have a decent chance of logging on and everything being fine.

[fast glacier]

no

it was gone

I spawned on Area 18

😦

[idle yacht]

If the refinery says I have 3100 quantanium, that means 3.1 SCU or 31 SCU?

Cause my cutty red can carry 12 scu

(I dont have a job running right now to check, sorry for the dumb question)

[ivory gust]

31

You can rent a cutlass black from the refinery shop (downstairs from ore terminals), that has 46 SCU

[idle yacht]

ohh thanks

Initially I thought I could use the prospector to take the cargo 😦 k, time to save for a cargo ship 😄

[cobalt rivet]

Hoard up a bunch of work orders and when you have like 12 or so, rent a transport

Might have to make a few trips but you get the most out of renting

Cutty should be able to take two loads or so

[idle yacht]

Also, if my prospector explode or some bug that needs me to insurance claim it happens do I lose the passive modules installed on it?

[cobalt rivet]

Ye 🙂

Prob

[idle yacht]

ohh no way I get those 60k modules lol XD

thanks!

[ivory gust]

Passive modules are a big risk now, yeah. They all suck anyway, just use surge/stampede

[normal flax]

What do the passive modules do anyways?

[ivory gust]

Depends on the module

https://starcitizen.fandom.com/wiki/Mining_module

[normal flax]

So they basically mine for you

[ivory gust]

Uh... No? Not even close. They very slightly change the parameters of your laser in some kind of tradeoff--E.g., reduces the instability of the rock, but also reduces the power of your laser

How did you get from that to "mine for you"?

[normal flax]

Because Active vs Passive? Has me thinking its something autonomous versus something that the player does themselves? The freakout wasn't necessary either

[ivory gust]

Active modules have a larger effect but must be manually triggered by the user. They also have a limited number of charges and "burn out" after that.

Passive modules have a small effect but are always active and do not need to be triggered manually.

[warm spear]

Admin terminal will show everything

My favorite part of mining is taking 4.5 million in refined ore, selling it at my local TDD then seeing the money disappear overnight. Is bank robbery a game loop now?

[ivory gust]

It's an alpha, go upvote something on issue council

[cobalt rivet]

Never had money just poof before.

[warm spear]

[Captain Obvious meme]

[ivory gust]

There are quite a few posts on issue council about people losing money

[ivory gust]

Not as obvious as you'd think, apparently some people expect this to be a finished game with no bugs, and just complain on discord when they run into something instead of putting it on issue council

That said, given how much the devs actually use issue council, complaining on discord is about as effective...if you want actual bug fixes you need to upload a time-compressed 10min video showing all the problems you run into in a 2hr game session

[cobalt rivet]

Not enough votes = not looked at?

[ivory gust]

Also "enough votes" doesn't guarantee it'll get looked at

[misty coyote]

How do you put stuff on issue council?

[jagged whale]

Can I land outside the commons parking to sell cargo at new babbage?

[misty coyote]

I've attempted to access it before and got an unauthorised wall

[ivory gust]

You go to https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN and log in

[ivory gust]

Yes

[jagged whale]

Cool! Thanks!

[misty coyote]

I'll call this a dumbass moment

[royal cairn]

ahem 1. Be respectful to everyone.

looks at Chris

[worthy scroll]

Also looks at Chris

Appears he's been respectful.

[vernal birch]

i feel like the mining ships should be able to sift out stuff that you dont want to refine

after you extract the rock there should be some system on the ship that manages which pod materials go and be able to sort and sift out stuff

[ivory gust]

Best you can do for that is the FLTR line of passive modules which reduce the inert picked up

[vernal birch]

right but like 900 years in the future that seems like a tech they would have

[ivory gust]

The Prospector's original concept had a system like what you described, it was converted to the FLTR modules

[vernal birch]

also i think the mining laser head should have a tractor beam on it too so i can move the rocks around

the extraction laser is already kind of like a tractor beam

[ivory gust]

The Expanse has a tractor beam on it, the intent is that the Expanse would provide support to the mining operation and could do that

[idle yacht]

How do I identify a rock's 'Hotspot' ?

I see that as I move the charge goes up faster / slower

[rugged axle]

That's a debatable topic :). Some say there isn't a Hotspot, and what your actually doing is adjusting distance(this is at least partially true, if you pay attention to the distance while moving the laser, it will go up/down.)

Others say you look for "cracks" in the rock and laser there.

[idle yacht]

thanks for the info 🙂

[sweet tundra]

man how do you guys mine, by the time i get on basically every high value quant rock is gone, jesus i think i found 10 quant rocks over an hour with max 2%. and a ton of fractured ones already, its like scraps leftover heh

[ivory gust]

Where are you looking, and how are you scanning

[sweet tundra]

lyria, im scanning 360 then going to 2 and scanning each individual ping, found a couple patches but they were all small, the rest were either already mined or singles

[ivory gust]

Sounds like just bad luck tbh, can try switching servers

[cobalt rivet]

There are def soft spots, but moving your laser around also affects the result. However, i dont think you can visually id it

[normal flax]

Dude I just lost out on 470K because of fucking internet connection loss

[sleek torrent]

So I know commodity quantities are based on all servers, but are they separated by location or just one big pool to buy from? Most places are always out of larinite, and the refresh rates don’t seem very accurate. I’ve waited over 10 minutes, seen the value go from some to none, back to some, and back to none. With nobody at the terminal but me.

[normal flax]

Happened again, my internet literally can't handle Lyria...wtf

[ivory gust]

It's across all servers

so of course you won't see anyone else at the terminal...on your server

I don't know if it's per region or not though

[sleek torrent]

Is it separated by outpost/servers or just the servers as a whole

[ivory gust]

it's that location, across all servers

not sure what you mean "outpost/servers"

[sleek torrent]

Exactly what you said. The trade post on all servers share the same pool to buy from

Looks like my larinite dreams are gone. Back to old faithful Diamonds

[ivory gust]

Grab all the laranite they have, then fill up the rest with the next best resource

[sleek torrent]

Max they had was 91 scu. Not worth the time. In the time I would take to travel, I could hit my diamond spot and never leave the planet. Twice.

And I can fill my carrack up with Diamonds and not have to fight the other servers for the commodity

[ivory gust]

i would usually go someplace that had laranite and titanium--buy all the available laranite, then fill the rest with titaniium

[vestal ravine]

A couple days ago I tried the Wala/Taranite mining option. This was a filled up Mole. 1121 units of Taranite 35.21 per unit yielded $39,635.00. With the other 4 minerals the grand total was $47,306.00. Not sure what the best Taranite would be I just mined the first grouping I saw. Was quicker and easier than ROC mining and just a high as payout. Your mileage may vary.

[rustic cypress]

is there a trade route that doesnt constantly run out of stock?

[cobalt rivet]

[rustic cypress]

good to know

i expected that 🙂

i guess i'll get back to combat and mining them

[cobalt rivet]

Nah, just makes seemingly cargo runners more salty

Cause rather than extorting a small fraction they can just steal your entire haul

[north oyster]

update on cargo refactor from CIG:
If the Cargo System Refactor was no longer targeting 3.18, then we would have moved it off that column with today's publish. However, our goal still remains the same, and we're targeting Alpha 3.18 for live release. The team developing this new system has some important reviews during the next two weeks, and if it looks like it needs more time, as always, we'll update you accordingly in a subsequent Roadmap Roundup.

So the cargo refactor is still trying to be pushed for 3.18 but that might still change. PES is now part of the internal testing and development branch, so it will be in 3.18

[marble crater]

Is salvage still going to be in 3.18?

[topaz burrow]

have you got link to this comment, please?

[worthy scroll]

True. Cargo refactor T0 could be just the absolute bare bones of the system at first.

[north oyster]

Seems they (CIG) removed the comment, but here's the original post if you wish to see:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/roadmap-roundup-september-14-2022/5354966

both technologies are so extensive, evasive and touches ever single aspect of the game that I don't think even CIG knows that answer.

[weak tinsel]

is it possible to mine the big planetary rocks with two prospectors going at it ?

[topaz burrow]

yes, one prosp with lancet mh1 can mine up to 5122, with two prosp you can mine any mass rock you find

[weak tinsel]

thanks imma try that then
until i get a mole for the cool factor

[topaz burrow]

try halo mining if you are solo. All rocks top out at 5122 so solo lancet mh1 can crack anything out there

[misty coyote]

I want to mine the Halo too, just head of how many unscannable rocks there are.

[topaz burrow]

is it that bad? Damn. Not done a lot of solo mining recently. It's usually connected to server performance. Could get better after free fly

[north oyster]

Halo mining is throwing about 80% dud scans but it still works. I made three trips and pulled about 500K aUEC in those three trips. You will have to master active tuning for ping to save time and make the process faster

[normal flax]

I know for a fact I can mine good on Lyria but for whatever reason I keep losing connection when I'm there

[cobalt rivet]

[lilac geode]

Anyone know if there is a key to unlock the prospectors mining arm. Its locked forward, I swear you could move it before.

[ivory gust]

Afaik it's locked forward. You can try Z for free look to see if it follows the cursor but I doubt it

[lilac geode]

Maybe Im just trippin then.

Must been doing too much roc mining 😄

[north oyster]

I maybe "G"? one of the keybinds unlocks the laser

[ivory gust]

it really looks like it ought to be able to move, but honestly there's not much point to since the ship itself can easily move around

[cursive hinge]

Okay there really needs to be a Stop collecting button, not just a Stop & collect.

I accidentally collected the wrong work order to my ship, so it was collecting the one that just started. I thought it would just stop putting it immediately onto my ship, but instead i just deleted 32scu of quant

[ivory gust]

It stops the work order and collects it.

"Stop and collect" is correct

[cursive hinge]

Yes i see that now. Should be a bit more clear tbh

[ivory gust]

What needs to be more clear about it? "Stop Collecting" doesn't make sense, the order is never in a "collecting" state. Nothing gets collected until you hit collect. Selecting a destination prior to that doesn't actually do anything

[cursive hinge]

If you can make it start collecting to a ship as its refined, it makes sense that you could stop it collecting onto a ship as its refined

[ivory gust]

In fact, selecting a destination on any order automatically sets that destination for all orders

You can't make it start collecting to a ship as its refined, you can only collect to a ship when it's done (or when you stop refining)

[cursive hinge]

What happens when you select a destination as its refining, and then fly that ship away from the station before its finished?

[ivory gust]

Nothing

The destination only determines where it goes when you hit "collect"

[cursive hinge]

right... seems pointless to preselect it early then

I'll know for next time

[ivory gust]

Yep, only need to touch that dropdown when you're going to collect

It would make sense to split it up so that the collection dropdown doesn't appear while the order is running, and there's just a "stop refining" button that warns you everything else will be discarded--then when an order is complete (or stopped) the collection dropdown and button show

[cursive hinge]

100% agree

oh well. back to hunting for quant rocks 😄

[cobalt rivet]

Are delivery rep jurisdiction bound?

[worthy scroll]

Yes. Each planet system has its own rep for delivering.

[neon shale]

Where do I sell hadanite?

[ivory gust]

@bold verge When in mining mode in the belt, a ping at a small angle (2 degrees) directly at a target will tell you what type of asteroid it is out to 12km, so you know if it's unscannable from that distance

[bold verge]

You don't know if it's unscannable until you're actually trying to mine it, that's the point of the bug I've been trying to get across.

[ivory gust]

https://youtu.be/vz8TOCUa0Ms

Sorry, but no, you're wrong. If you use the active ping angle tuning, you can know if something is unscannable up to 12km away, because you won't see the asteroid type appear.

[neon shale]

Where can I sell my hadanite?

[ivory gust]

Mining outposts (storage building) or admin terminal of any station

There is no reason to ever use scanning mode in a Prospector in the belt, only mining mode

[neon shale]

Admin terminal? Where's that since I only know the cargo place

[ivory gust]

Galleria, look for the yellow walls

[neon shale]

ty

[fallen atlas]

Most of them these days are in a room themselves that say ADMIN in big letters

[bold verge]

You don't understand the bug. Let me try and explain it in simpler terms. There is a bug, that prevents your mining tool (and the equivalent standalone scan you can do using the V key) from working. Which is required for you to be able to tell what you're doing. Bug roids still contain materials, but you would be entirely guessing by visuals and sound, which is usually a death sentence for an unknown reward unless you're roc mining.

[neon shale]

Hm.. thought hadanite would pay better...

[ivory gust]

And you don't understand the way scanning works nowadays.

Watch the video I posted. When you ping at a small angle at the target when in mining mode, it tells you the asteroid type (q-type, e-type). If nothing appears for the type, the asteroid is unscannable, move on. You can do this from up to 12km away.

[neon shale]

Have about 50k and got about 14k...

[bold verge]

So notice here how the roid is outlined, and it's scanning? Once scanning is complete you will be able to see what you're doing to the rock. Often times this part doesn't part doesn't work, and it's been this way for like 5 years at least.

[ivory gust]

I know how mining works, thanks. Scanning changed in 3.17

[bold verge]

Yeah I know all that, I'm talking about the bug that prevents you from extracting because you can't see what you're doing.

[ivory gust]

You can tell asteroid type from up to 12km away with ping angle tuning, which also tells you whether the rock is unscannable

[ivory gust]

If you know that, then why do you not think you can tell whether a rock is unscannable from 12km, and why are you talking about V (scan mode) at all?

[bold verge]

To explain to you that you have the wrong idea, lol.

The same bug can occur to ROC and hand mining, too. It's just very rare for those.

For the prospector it's always been like a 50/50 whether you can extract

[ivory gust]

I see, so you're talking about a different kind of "unscannable" where the rock itself shows up as having a type, but doesn't show as having any material composition? I have literally never seen that bug

[bold verge]

No, that's not what I'm talking about.

[ivory gust]

I have never had an issue seeing what I'm doing to a rock unless the rock is the normal unscannable type

I have seen it sometimes where the scan will get interrupted partway if I look away from the rock, but that fixes it if I look back to the rock

[bold verge]

Here's an example of the bug. If you're lucky, getting out of your ship and space walking for a bit and getting back in will fix it, and you'll be able to mine the rock. Though I've only gotten that to work about 40% of the time. It's really a hat toss whether getting out will fix it or not.

[ivory gust]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about? See how the rock doesn't show any details on the right (including type) when you're in mining mode?

You can see that from 12km away.

[bold verge]

It's because you can't scan it, though. That's what I've been saying. I've mined a few blind and got their resources but it's too risky for an unknown reward. Sometimes you might get a 30%+ but you might be risking death for a 2.4% quantanium roid and going home with a hull full of inert junk or just useless stuff. That's why I only try to mine the ones that actually work.

[ivory gust]

Yes, and you can see the ones that actually work from 12km away, is what I've been saying. There's no reason to approach these at all unless you want to roll the dice blind

[crimson oak]

Can anyone remind me again what you need exactly to make a 2 SCU container? Something like 3 Novikov armour pieces and a backpack or something? I tried making one with a size 5 missile, thought it was big enough scu wise but i still only got a 1 SCU container.

[rugged axle]

@bold verge you do know Chris is right...right? If your using V(scan mode), your wasting time. Ping is the only correct way in a prospector, not scan.

Using ping(tab, NOT v). You CAN tell if the rock will be unscannable or not out to 12km. At that point, if you still fly to it...your wasting time.

We all know about unscannable asteroids. You ping it out at 11.9km, if it doesn't show you the type, it's going to be unscannable up close. Don't fly to it and keep moving on

@crimson oak you can do either 2 heavy backpacks, 1 Pembroke undersuit, or 1 novikov undersuit.

All 3 of these combinations will make a 2scu box

[crimson oak]

nice, thanks

[rugged axle]

Your missile most likely didn't work because it's not a physicalized item in the game right now

[crimson oak]

O_o interesting concept

[crimson oak]

I just tried there again, used 2 heavy backpacks, still only got a 1 SCU container

[crimson oak]

tried 4 heavy backpacks that time, still only got a 1 SCU container

[north oyster]

I was in the halo last night, 3 trips, about 80% of all the asteroids were duds but I didn't loose any time because with Ping active angle tuning you can ID asteroids up to about 12Km (I normally wait until about 11.8Km away, just habit). My earnings? About 500K aUEC ... a little below average but it'll be that way until they resolve the issue with asteroids loosing sync

[crimson oak]

i usually just warp 1-200km away to a fresh spot and i can usually scan a good few asteroids fine before it starts getting ghosty again.

[rain mauve]

If I hit 50k uec from my bounties should I just rent a prospector for a day?

[neon shale]

By any chance, is selling hadanite bugged? Or has the price perhaps been lowered?

[marble crater]

if you can find someone to mine with that has a kitted out Prospector to help you break rocks then a rental is decent

[rain mauve]

Ig I'll ask in global n hope

[neon shale]

I sold 50 hadanite yesterday for about 13K aUEC.. I remember people getting much more for that amount of hadanite..?

[ivory gust]

Were you possibly thinking of hadanite that had been looted from bunkers or caves? Gems that are looted count as 10 per "object" when selling, mined gems are only 1

13k for 50 units is the correct value and has been that way for a long time. Hand mining has never been particularly good

[glacial dagger]

It's all about the ROC mining

Pretty sure the cave/bunker looted ones are the same as ROC gems 😄

[ivory gust]

Nope, the roc mined ones are the same as the hand mined ones, different from the looted ones. The roc deposits just give a lot more of them so you make more money per time spent

If you've ever needed to manually unload the gems from a ROC you know that there are a ton of gems in there, it's definitely not the 10x ones you loot from caves

[glacial dagger]

This is why I have a Macro for it 😄

A 100% full ROC takes the macro about...1-2 mins to completly drain it all into a larger ship 😄

[neon shale]

Oh.. but I have searches about 4 bunkers now and I have not found a single crate of minerals.
I see videos oe people regularly having 2 or 3 in 1 bunker.

[rugged axle]

that was back in 17.0. they basically removed gems from bunker loot in 17.1. i THINK you have a small chance of it on microtech still. but mainly just caves for that

[neon shale]

So I have to kill the guys in cavemissions for decent hadanite?

But I'v only had empty caves so far..

Do they come at a later rep?

Cuz finding a client is horrible.
I had to look for crew of a crashed ship yesterday.. one of them was bugged into the captains seat... I couldn't complete the mission and wasted another 20 minutes..

And also.. people say bunkers are quite bug free compared to the rest but about 70% of my bunkers have 1 or 2 guys who just don't spawn..

[elfin heath]

How does that macro work?

[meager gorge]

Usually two pembroke or two novikov suits work for me if I want a 2scu box

[fast glacier]

is this normal?

for hours I can only sell 83 at a time

and then I can sell all of it

not the first time it happens

[meager gorge]

I don’t sell drugs often but I’ve heard that’s a common problem people run into. When everyone’s trying to sell drugs it takes up the available stock just like with regular cargo but drugs I think are even more limited.

[rugged axle]

@neon shale you want to find "clear criminal nest" or some "entrenched bounty" are also caves.

[neon shale]

merc or investigation?

[rugged axle]

@fast glacier you got lucky and hit a timer when no one else was trying to sell

Merc/bounty. Clear nest will be merc, entrenched I believe are bounties. But read them cause alot of them are in bunkers not caves

And I think they changed cave npcs to have mostly aphorite/dolivine instead of hadanite. Should typically still pull 50k extra for it though.

Once you kill the guys, you need to loot. Then right click their armor and legs and backpack and click open to get the gems

[cobalt rivet]

Why do people handpull gems from the roc, just go back and sells straight from ship

[neon shale]

To clear ROC and mine more

[vestal ravine]

This may be a new glitch if so count yourself lucky.

[fast glacier]

I have had this happen to me a few times

[vestal ravine]

Or if the server may be going down you need to get the gems into a backpack or the ship's Inventory. There may be intruding ships flying around. Stuff like that.

[fast glacier]

like

I would sell for a long time portions of the stock

and then all of a sudden I am allowed to sell all of it

for widow, e'tam, slam

[vestal ravine]

So do you come back on a new server or just wait 5 minutes and try again???

[fast glacier]

I stay on same server

idk

[cobalt rivet]

You know when a server is going down? U got them fast clicks?

Tell me your secrets

Everytime i get subtle hints the server is going to 30 k, its pretty much too late

[vestal ravine]

Usually people talking about it in chat or if the Gem extractions are "slow." I am working on the Voice Attack Inv transfer you can use keystrokes instead of talking. If I can get the gems from the ROC into my backpack I fly off leave the whole thing sitting there. It's dangerous going back to the mining station to sell.

[cobalt rivet]

So when someone says 30k, you jump out and drag every bit of stone into your bag, or do you drag them out after every rock you mine.

[vestal ravine]

If I've only found 2-3 rocks then I'm more prone to getting them transferred manually but it is a huge hassle but if I've run out of time to mine it's great can just bed log and not load the damn thing.

[cobalt rivet]

Sounds painful

Theres gotta be like 40 stones per rock

[vestal ravine]

The whole game is like that in some ways. I like the PROCESS of mining getting it to market is the challenging part of the exercise.

[cobalt rivet]

Hmm

[lilac geode]

Yarr?

[vestal ravine]

I like what they did with the Pirate colors on the Cutty Black.

[lilac geode]

Ya, I just melted my blue too :\

Right before the release of the paint.

[vestal ravine]

I am not a Pirate but I could be a counter spy.

[lilac geode]

I dont usually like the super large ships but I really like the cat for some reason.

I mostly just wanted a perma cater. And the event mode was pretty easy with a conny.

Soloed the event with 2 respawns still.

[vestal ravine]

9 Tails?

Getting my A2 ready for some Med runs today.

[lilac geode]

Sigh I cant remember the name of it, its the pvp mode no PU

There is a pirate wave game mode you need to survive 10 waves.

Last wave is a hammerhead + a bunch of small fighers.

[vestal ravine]

Marine Commander? I dont play those.

[lilac geode]

I dont usually.

But you need to to unlock the pirate cater

If you can do vhrts its not to hard of a game mode.

There are floating repairs/refuels/reammo after you kill certain mobs.

[meager gorge]

Arena commander pirate swarm

[lilac geode]

^

That, thank you

[ivory gust]

Gems were removed from bunkers in 3.17.1, you can only get them in caves now, and it's only dolovine not hadanite. Still 10x though, you can easily come out of a cave with 100k extra in gems

[ivory gust]

Transfer them to ship for 30k protection

Professional ROC miners just transfer them to the ship after every cluster

[cobalt rivet]

Click dragging stones over and over seems kinda cringe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018764818758520863/1020348853368655994/unknown.png

This is pretty cool

[ivory gust]

That's why people set up a voice attack (or similar) macro that does it for you?

[marble crater]

What's SC's stance on using macros?

[cobalt rivet]

What are chances of you getting banned for setting up macro

Theyre undetectable

[ivory gust]

I believe technically against TOS but the lack of a "transfer all" or multi select is a massive failure of the inventory system and this usage doesn't confer any advantage on the player (other than avoiding wrist injuries)

[ivory gust]

They're absolutely detectable if SC has any kind of logging at all. "Hey, this guy transferred 100 items in only 10 seconds"

[marble crater]

ahh ok never even considered using macros so had no idea. not really a competitive game so should be fine. a move item macro sounds great

[cobalt rivet]

Lol i wish you could move 100 items in under 10 seconds , i move one item and await 5 seconds to learn it didnt move

I need that macro in my life

Teach me your secrets

[ivory gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6qTdtrYWNc

You will probably need to tune it for your own machine

[cobalt rivet]

i've been living a lie

🥲

[elfin heath]

Can you use voice attack to only work via a hotkey & not the voice command

[ivory gust]

Unsure, although if that's what you're looking for, AutoHotkey might be better. I've seen similar macros posted to Reddit for AHK

[elfin heath]

Yeah i would prefer hotkeys, i could see myself saying a word not knowing its on & something bad happening 😅

[cobalt rivet]

does SC explode if you use this during one of its inventory loading tangents

[elfin heath]

No, you just get system64 deleted instead Joke

[rugged axle]

Voice attack can be done by voice or keybind. Mine is setup to keybinds. So I push page up and it transfers 20x left to right. Page down transfers 20x right to left.

Also, it doesn't make it "faster". As you still have to set a delay in between mouse click, drag, release mouse.

[cobalt rivet]

damn, I was hoping to crash the server

[rugged axle]

I...THINK...I have a 2 second delay...or a .2 second...otherwise the game won't register you moved the item

[cobalt rivet]

figured as much

[rugged axle]

If you decide to use voice attack, word of advice. Set your mouse positions with filter bar open or closed. And remember which way you did it lol. I thought I broke mine, because I set it with the filter bar closed, which with it open, made it just click the filters instead of the items lol

[ivory gust]

sometimes it'll also drop random things onto your character instead of transferring them (if delay not long enough)

[ivory gust]

Or just do it relative mouse movement and manually place mouse beforehand

[rugged axle]

Eh, I prefer capturing the exact positions and let it do its work

[cobalt rivet]

damnit these 30ks are outa control

[worthy scroll]

Events and 30ks are like peas and carrots.

[cobalt rivet]

wonder what they're hoping to achieve by doing free fly and seige at the same time

"hey look, our game is shit, buy it"

[ivory gust]

They're not, free fly is over

Ended before siege started

[cobalt rivet]

oh so the servers are just shit ;'(

[ivory gust]

yes, as they were last time SoO ran

[cobalt rivet]

literally every server I joined i got 30ked

wasnt this bad before

[worthy scroll]

Kinda the whole point of letting us play this alpha is so we can break stuff, so they can figure out why it breaks.

[cobalt rivet]

they've ran it for nearly a month now, everytime an event happens the likelihood of a 30k happens increases, event triggered npcs fail to rez in bunkers, you'd thjink they've made the conclusion their servers are not ready for the massive load they're putting on them

thank god, I finally land on a server without an event

[ivory gust]

SOO has ended most places by now probably, and NTL hasn't started yet

I really wish they'd drop the server population cap back down

[cobalt rivet]

Events SHOULD be dropping server cap

but its prob not whats causing the 30ks

everytime it runs, the pop drops to 75

from the normal 120

its the copius AI running around at orison

[ivory gust]

Yes, 75 is still too high for SOO. Should be 75 normally, 50 during SOO

[cobalt rivet]

if I was them I would have turned off all the AI at stations and see if the events run any smoother

used static poses instead

[worthy scroll]

That's pretty much what automatically happens, and why we end up with formations of AI standing around.

[cobalt rivet]

except it doesnt do that when the stations are oocupied

you don't optimize bnased on circumstance, you optimize based on max possible load

best compromise would be to set all AI to "return" to static position during an event

they should have a passable pose where they walk back to a position and stand still during an event

regardless or whether or not that station is occupied by a player

additionally

the bunker security forces should be barricaded at the surface level. That was just stupid design

[ivory gust]

AI can't walk outside though

[cobalt rivet]

They dont need to

just pose them somewhere like a prop

[ivory gust]

The tech to enable that was just added in 3.17.2

[cobalt rivet]

you NEVER need to interact with security forces, EVER

they just get in the way and cause problems

keep them standing at the elevators on the surface level

not even give them instructions, just static pose

that right there is enough to reduce overhead

with the exception of security posts

where they actually should be roaming

[meager gorge]

Idk I saw them shoot and kill a couple of my friends when they had a crimestat and were running through the customs area lol

[cobalt rivet]

oof

[worthy scroll]

Ha, yeah they'll do that if you manage to make it inside.

[meager gorge]

I was surprised abhaha. And then they didn’t kill me but I made it through and my screen faded to black and I woke up in klescher

[delicate girder]

Anyone know how the 9T Lockdown is working today? Is it only happening once, twice or off and on all day for instance.

I tried to find the info about the nine tails lockdown in the news, but missed finding it.

[ivory gust]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/18849-Pirate-Week-2022

Each Nine Tails Lockdown will run four times after it kicks off, once every 6 hours.

It seems to have kicked off 2 hours late, so add 2 hours (maybe)

[scarlet glade]

how do i zoom in and scan boxes in the scanner mode ???

[ivory gust]

What boxes?

What are you actually trying to do?

[scarlet glade]

when i normal tab scan i get a lot of boxes shown around me on lyria

but i saw i guy zoom in on one and scan it from far away

and reveal gems for example

[ivory gust]

Yes, those are ore deposits. You don't need scanning mode, don't use it.

Use the , and . (comma and period) keys to change the angle of your scanner down to 2 degrees, then point straight at the box and hit tab again

[scarlet glade]

nice saved my day <3

is there a way to identefy quantanium from far away ?

[ivory gust]

On Lyria, look for clusters. When you ping at a narrow angle the "blue box" changes to a "white diamond", if it's a cluster there will be multiple white diamonds close to each other

Can be hard to see on the daytime side, but if you fly in mining mode you can put the top of the mining laser between you and the signal result (after pinging) to "shade" it and let you see how many results there are

[scarlet glade]

ok thx

[serene crystal]

danny have to reboot

[lone wing]

mining still working?

[atomic lark]

Works yes

[delicate girder]

Don't see the nine tails lockdown location on my server yet. Anyone else?

Heard the announcement quite a while back.

[rugged axle]

Probably on cooldown.

[delicate girder]

Ok guys help me understand how this may have happened. I went I selected lockdown event, go into my C2 with the elevator while making sure there was noone following me. Made sure no one could have used the elevator to get into the ship at the source or the destination. AND made sure the ship was locked up and the hanger was close before I left, AND YET, by the time I got up to store my ship it was destroyed. You can't even self destruct a C2 in that amount of time.

How the hell would that have happened?

It says the ship is at shallow fields station, but says it is destroyed, even though I landed it unharmed, buttoned it up tight and booked up fast to store it. I just want to know how it was done.

[ivory gust]

I saw someone earlier in game saying that they were getting shot through a (closed) hangar door, so it's possible there's a bug/exploit people are taking advantage of for that

Also possible that someone else's ship spawned inside yours, I've heard of that happening as well

[lunar loom]

is anyone else having issues with not getting delivery contracts after u get dropped from the server and come back in cuz i am permanently not able to receive them no more and i have even had trouble picking some of them up when i was doing it and it has been 3 weeks now since i stopped getting delivery contracts so idk if this is a bug or part of the game now

[ivory gust]

Your rep probably got tanked from failing to complete the other ones--what's your rep with the delivery companies?

Best bet would be to find someone to share the contracts with you

[lunar loom]

It’s been back to neutral for like 2 weeks now and still not offering anything even if I go to a different system and try it or even go back

[ivory gust]

Try to get someone to share a delivery mission or two with you, or try a character reset

[scarlet glade]

what is this thing on the back of the prospector ?

the extending arm?

[vestal ravine]

Gold level game ship recovery last night. While waiting for 9Tails to get underway I was sitting at the mining station and trying not to time out. Well it did time out. I woke up at my spawn point. AOSOP said my ship (a C2) was "stored" at that mining station and I could
"retrieve" it. I did and my med supplies were intact. Is that normal? Episode 2: I got the triple red box crash while on the same pad later. After a bit the whole session reemerged and I was back on the pad safe and sound. Is that normal? Grieving: I got to the Med Supply station there was a lot of activity red and whites. One guy blocked my access to the hanger. He wanted a landing fee. Chat was down so I couldn't talk to him or anybody. Eventually he flew aside but got in my path at the rear end. We scrapped each other no charges. Is this pad grieving? Thanks!

[hollow sedge]

@scarlet glade that gonna be something maybe when Exspance refinerie ship gonna get in game and you can transfer your ore to that ship, so just some preparation for future mehanic

[atomic lark]

can you scan gem deposits from a non mining ship?

like to get the details of what gems are inside

[indigo fox]

Hey I have a question about refining ore. I just refined a bunch at a space station, it says complete, but it says I need to select a location where it can go.. and it’s not giving me any options. I know my ship is stored here, I just landed.

[worthy scroll]

It was supposed to be the filter dumping area. The ship was meant to be able to filter out inert materials, and that was the poop chute. But I've heard that idea was scrapped.

That has nothing to do with the Expanse or anything, the way you transfer your ore is by detaching the filled bags and transferring them like you would any other cargo.

[scarlet glade]

Ok so now it has no use ?

[worthy scroll]

Yeah, it's never worked, and it's function has been superseded by passive modules. It may have it's function change, it may be removed, or something else might be put there.

[vernal moon]

How money on average (or as range) you can fps mine from single stone in Cave?

[serene quest]

depends on the size of your backpack, and what you're mining

[thin escarp]

@indigo fox gotta be cargo ship

[worthy scroll]

Yep. Mining is a multi stage thing. Mine, refine, sell. And to sell, you need a cargo ship that you either own or have rented, to take it to a place to sell.

[serene quest]

iirc you can fill a novikov with 120 units of hand mined rocks, so whatever the cost of the rock * 120

[pliant matrix]

what's the easiest between connies and MSR to load/unload a ROC?
I'm thinking about switching my msr against a connie but still hesitating

Also about landing since back some years ago connie was weirdly balanced and tend to have nose falling down when landing

[marble crater]

I found the MSR better than the Connie especially with rough terrain. some of the rocky sections on Aberdeen combined with the Connie's flat bed lift can be a pain

[pliant matrix]

that's also my fear. I mean the elevator maybe lift the ship

I guess FL Max is also an option but damn can't stand FL old design xD

[marble crater]

also just generally flying around looking for rocks is much nicer in the MSR too which is a big part of ROC mining

[pliant matrix]

yeah I guess managing low altitude flights with connie could be tricky

[worthy scroll]

Hah, not as bad as you'd think. At least, it depends on what you're used to flying. I took my Aquila through the race track yesterday. Handles it surprisingly well (when you're used to flying a Caterpillar).

[pliant matrix]

XD I guess yeah

I flight a C2 regularly so connie is manageable

when I check stats MSR and FL Max have almost same moves. Max even roll faster

[worthy scroll]

But the Connies still fly like a dream compared to the Cat.

[worthy scroll]

Like, they actually feel nimble lol.

[pliant matrix]

Cat is just very slow

[worthy scroll]

I could fall to Hurston faster.

[amber knot]

so ive seen a few mining videos and it seems like the prospector is the best thing to use, however i dont have 2mill, am i able to rent it and put attachments on it? or do i need to grind out other missions till i get 2mill

[ornate rock]

if you check SPAT you can see much higher acceleration values pretty much around the board on the MSR (especially boosted).
it's not just about being able to pitch/yaw into a direction but also to make your vector change to where you point.

[elfin heath]

MSR all day

[elfin heath]

I haven't read the convo, But it's MSR all day 😆

[covert sun]

Hey, is mining completely broken for anyone else right now...? I've been flying around on Lyria for a solid 10-20 min and literally every single rock is unscannable 🤔

[misty coyote]

Siege of Orision can mess up the server making rocks unscannable

[covert sun]

hm... yeah seems completely broken right now. Tried out Lyria and Wala for about 20 min each, found one single scannable rock and of course it's not what I'm looking for

[pliant matrix]

I'll wait after pirate week to get back in the game. events tend to break mining activities and servers globally

[covert sun]

Seems much better on EU servers actually, every rock scannable so far

[worthy scroll]

That's usually how it goes. If your region servers are getting hammered due to it being a prime time, swap to a region that's mostly asleep. Age old trick.

[ivory gust]

Rented Prospector isn't really worth it since you can't swap the mining head so you won't be able to mine Quantanium without a lot of extra nonsense dealing with gadgets

[ivory gust]

Use scan mode. V, point your reticle right at the deposit, hold left mouse button to scan it

[covert sun]

Hey, has anyone experienced a bug where the scanner will "forget" all the details about a rock after you look away from it? I'm trying to scan all the purples for quantanium composition but it's not remembering the ones I've already scanned... question is, any workarounds for this?

[ivory gust]

For me it generally sticks around only if I let it fully complete scanning on the chunk

[covert sun]

Yep I'm doing that but unfortunately it's still forgetting it

[ivory gust]

rip, no idea then, sorry

blame siege of orison for the server forgetting things

[covert sun]

Dang, alright no worries... guess I'll try to scan and pick up the rocks as fast as I can and hope it doesn't slow me down too much lol

[misty coyote]

Yes.... I have.... Happened when I was around alot of scanned rocks.

[tough timber]

would someone be able to give me a module list of a good setup for the Mole for solo and fully crewed flights?

after upgrading to the mh2 lasers

[sleek torrent]

Well that was a close one. 800k worth of cargo in my carrack. 3 reds showed up at the outpost I was at, started firing. I took off and got into atmo. Got the hell outta dodge. Had my rear down to 11. Got lucky. Love my carrack for hauling but if they actually had any skill or were prepared they would of had a nice payday.

[sleek torrent]

I had a build but I got rid of my mole and ditched the build on Erkul. Sorry man

[tough timber]

no worries, just new to the mole and trying to get up and running while the friends are down

[sleek torrent]

I like it a lot. I would solo it with no issue. But I left mining for a more non time consuming money make. Cargo hauling. Just made 200k profit on one run. It was risky but only took about 30 minutes. Could have lost 600k if the server crashed or the reds got me. But profit is profit

[tough timber]

what sort of hauling?

but ya I'm getting into mining from trading and crime and bounty hunting

wanting something more reliable and with more to actually do in the process

[sleek torrent]

I haul larinite and either diamond or titanium. Can’t buy a full load of larinite so I pick up what I can, usually around 90scu. Then go to the next spot and pick up the same. Then fill the rest up with diamonds or titanium. Whatever the second outpost has on hand. Then go sell at the nearest city.

It’s very lucrative.

I started with just doing diamonds on microtech because I could pick up a full load and drop it off at New Babbage and never have to really Qt so the risk of being pirated was very low. And I didn’t really have the 600k to use to buy it all and risk losing as well. But now I can do that and not worry much. Obviously I still worry but I’m not spending my last few hundred in hopes of making a buck.

[ivory gust]

Couple things:

• It was probably NPCs spawned for someone's bounty mission.
• Even if it was players, they wouldn't have gotten a "payday" for killing you--currently cargo doesn't drop from destroyed ships

[sleek torrent]

I thought they got a percentage of the cargo? Or is that only mined materials?

But it was definitely players, one flew right up to my bridge window and looked at me before firing

[marble crater]

the only thing they get is credits transferred from you to them right now

it's easy to tell NPC's from players, NPC's will have a space in the name

[sleek torrent]

Did they used to get a percentage of goods on board?

I know

And NPCs have nicknames a lot. I do lots of bounties

But I didn’t target any. I just got out of dodge

Followed me after I jumped to an om as well

[marble crater]

they don't get a percentage of any cargo on board, only credits gained is through you transferring it to them directly

[sleek torrent]

I swear I was watching a mongrel squad video and he was talking about how they get a percentage of goods if a ship is blown up

Which is why they said they always ask for money first

[marble crater]

boxes however can be salvaged

[sleek torrent]

Boxes of what?

[marble crater]

so events like Jumptown etc

hand carry boxes

[sleek torrent]

Okay. Maybe I misunderstood. Because he clearly was just talking about random people with Titanium and other minerals

But I was working listening to a video so I very well could have misunderstood

[marble crater]

with cargo refactor CIG have said that destroying the ship will also destroy a large chunk of the cargo on board for salvage

[sleek torrent]

Well that’s even worse if so. I’d have lost my cargo and alot of money and nobody would have profited

I understand that. But this was a video clearly about their own piracy in the games current state

[marble crater]

here is the current state with players doing the 9 Tails contract killing other players hauling med supplies to the event, there is no loot, no nothing. just a big explosion then everything despawns
https://youtu.be/eb8aieBoEA4?t=388

[tough timber]

which mining turret is which on the Mole?

Like which are port, starboard, and bow lasers?

slot 3 - starboard
slot 2 - port
slot 1 - bow

[rain mauve]

About how much per hour would i make with the rented prospector?

[ivory gust]

Maybe 100-150k. The rented prospector can't do quantanium (without a bunch of additional work) which is both more lucrative (by 2x) and easier to find than other ores

[rain mauve]

So ig im better off running group vhrts in my cutty

[ivory gust]

if you're able to consistently run them fairly quickly, yeah probably

cutlass not really a traditional choice for that, but any of the dedicated fighters will definitely make more chaining group vhrts than renting a prospector

[rain mauve]

Takes about 8-10 mins for 60k+

I swapped to 4 badgers and ems so its decent

[jovial matrix]

Would a rented prospector be able to mine anything that isn’t quant?

[ivory gust]

Yes but anything other than quant is basically not worth mining

[jovial matrix]

Yeah ik

Someone I’m playing with wants to go mine, so I figured I’d just rent a prospector and mine whatever I can, and then help them however I can if we find quant

[vernal moon]

Any idea why I can only sell 1 Type of gem in New Babbage?
I FPS mined some gems yesterday, returned to New Babbage and I was able to sell only 1 Type of gem. Logged in today and it is still the issue. Are there limits or sth?

[rain mauve]

Is there a fine control modifier or something when adjusting mining power?

I can do 7% 14% or max cos its super unresponsive for me (in a roc)

[misty coyote]

Are you using a mouse wheel?

You can bind to button presses, but they aren't great. I bind to a slider on my sticks, which is amazing... I did get a knob, but its not brilliant either.

[hallow apex]

can anyone help me with learning mining

[misty coyote]

Which mining?

All mining can be explained....

Find a rock.... Gem or ore.

Hit M for mining mode, this will give you composition.

Click to start fracturing mode and use the mouse wheel to change power..

Start at 100%, a bar will increase on the right of your hud.... Keep that in the green until the wedge fills up.... When it has, the tem rock will pop and gift your the goodies. Ore rocks will fracture down into pieces, which you can scan again to see the over all contents.

When your ore turns blue, right click to change to extraction mode and hoover, same with gem rocks. Keep the extraction beam steady.

Take the ore to a refinery at L1 stations, or sell direct. Refining doubles your sell value. You'll need a hauler to take the loads to sell. Gem rocks, just sell.

[vestal ravine]

I would like to see Umpires during the events like this around the space stations. I was blocked using my A2 with a Pisces right at the hanger entrance. He tried to extort me for space bucks and wanted a contact crime Stat. If we could call for help the umpires could see what's happening and flag this guy and send him back home for an hour. What you think?

[flat cosmos]

hey guys, between renting a prospector and going for those few materials it can get (can prsopector mine the small rocks that ROC could too?) or doing the "fly a bit -> land -> take out ROC - > mine a rock or 2 -> get back to ship"
Which is more profitable?

[vestal ravine]

You can tap mine the gems, land and hand collect them. Assumed you are solo. But you may not be able to get them all. Still it's a cool thing to do.

[flat cosmos]

you cannot scoope them?

[vestal ravine]

Not with a Prossie or Mole

[pliant matrix]

ROC mining will be more profiting than rented prospector since good rocks aren't reachable for it

[cobalt rivet]

Nah

[vestal ravine]

Cheapest entry to gem mining is the Nomad and a ROC.

[flat cosmos]

i have hard time finding places with many gems in an area accesible to the ROC, most i find are so scattered i end up spending 90% of time flying

[pliant matrix]

Flying is most of the ROC activity tbh

[cobalt rivet]

[vestal ravine]

For a rented Prospector mine Taranite on Wala.

[flat cosmos]

they should just give the prospector a tiny mining arm

[vestal ravine]

Try Daymar I have always found gems.

[pliant matrix]

Make prospector a swiss knife

[flat cosmos]

the terrain generation is so bumpy you cannot travel with the ROC more than a couple meters at high speed before you jump in orbit; that's my main gripe
i wanted to travel around, chill, mine some gems,
Game: best i can do is force you to fly

[vestal ravine]

Build a new ship that can haul the ROC.

[pliant matrix]

why not trying to not go at high speed and land close?

[flat cosmos]

land with the ROC? interesting i need to research about swapping wheels for thrusters

[pliant matrix]

dude there are already three that can haul it real fine and more that are oversized for it

[cobalt rivet]

You will 30k before the roc makes it back

I wanted to do the same

[pliant matrix]

land your ship close so you don't have to drive far xD

[vestal ravine]

I am talking about a Prospector or Mole type ship with a cargo bay for the Roc.

[flat cosmos]

guess il do contracts until i afford a prossie

[vestal ravine]

Or an on foot extractor bag for the gems. And a visor that can illuminate the gems.

[pliant matrix]

in a perfect world you would have a ship that can do anything in the game too. Mining have multiple branches just like other activities and ships to each of them

[vestal ravine]

Join a mining organization and after a few weeks you could have enough space bucks to buy one.

[flat cosmos]

weeks?!

weeks to get 3 mill?

[vestal ravine]

These Mole miners make shitloads of money.

[lapis tusk]

whats a good % of quant in a lode to mine

[vestal ravine]

Go for like 20%...

[pliant matrix]

Or you can do 5-6 hours bounty hunting and get your millions by yourself

[lapis tusk]

i found massive group of lodes theres one for 20 and 3 in the teens

[vestal ravine]

Go for that 20!!

[lapis tusk]

correction: 36%

[vestal ravine]

We are Miners not spaceship bounty hunters.

[pliant matrix]

why not both?

[vestal ravine]

Not my cup of tea.

[pliant matrix]

You maybe.
Also if you didn't spent your irl money with a prospector a mole or a combo ROC+carrier ship you have to go with the space fighting to start

[vestal ravine]

Bounties in a Mustang not viable. Like I said you can team up pretty easy.

[pliant matrix]

Bounties in a mustang are easy until HRT with low fail rate

anyway it's maybe not your way it doesn't mean it can't be others

[vestal ravine]

Turret gunners are in demand on chat.

[last summit]

is the Lancet the ideal head for a Mole?

[rugged axle]

Prosp/mole doesn't take weeks to make 3mil, just saying. 6mil(a c2 worth) in 1 day. Bounty is no where near as profitable as mining.

@last summit depends, are you soloing the mole? Or crewing?

Solo, lancet on Laser 1 for you.
Crewed, lancet on laser 2 and 3, helix on laser 1. Stack reiger modules and ez mine

[last summit]

just me in the mole usually

[rugged axle]

Then yea, lancet mh2 on laser 1(middle turret). Surge stampede and your choice for modules. You treat a solo mole as a prospector.

[last summit]

cool, thanks

[rugged axle]

You trade off convenience for more capacity. It won't break anything bigger than prospector. And making sure you park in the right spot where you can mine everything is frustrating. But you won't have to leave quant behind because of the 96scu

If you can find just 1 more person to help crew. You can break any rock in the game with 2 lasers and no active modules

[last summit]

yeah I had a prospector but decided to upgrade to the Mole for when I actually do have friends joining

i dont mind the extra work doing it solo

I'm drunk anyways when I mine

[pliant matrix]

the thing was "how to get 3 mil to get a pros?" not how long to make 3 mil with a pros/mole xD

[rugged axle]

Oh. Then...anyway you can lol.

[vernal moon]

why I cant sell those commodieties? New Babbage

oh I need to go to MTPS, in New Babbge, sorry

[north oyster]

Best updated Big Rock Cracking video I've seen. Pretty much still the same as SMB's original video from 3.15 but updated by Red Monster SC for 3.17.2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6kzplFHG3M

[cobalt rivet]

1 hr of mining gets your roughly 600 to 900 k depending on your luck and skill

10 minutes avg on fresh server to find a decent rock percentage, 20 minutes traveling to and from refinery

[cobalt rivet]

anyone know if this is accurate?

[native slate]

check uexcorp.space

[cobalt rivet]

whats those drug things under

also whats the difference between the drugs at JT and the drugs at the contraband bunkers

[hollow sedge]

mnother freaker

30k, and Im trying to learn mining. Havn't even got to learn how to turn on the laser because it didn't magically turn on

[cobalt rivet]

which mining

[hollow sedge]

im solo mining in the mole 😄

I went to the turret downstairs and it was just blank with a reticule

[cobalt rivet]

at least you didnt 30k after mining

[hollow sedge]

Well every 30k I've had has saved whats in your ship, since 3.17a

[ivory gust]

Power on is in the upper right, left side of the upper right mfd

Just don't turn the power off again when you're done since that powers down the whole ship

[north oyster]

The challenge with doing contraband is that they buy up is extremely slow. I would recommend trying it in small quantities but check SC Trade Tools for places to sell and be aware that it might take you a month of Sundays to offload the drugs.

[north oyster]

You are learning to solo mine while using a MOLE? You enjoy a challenge, aye? Patience is going to have to be your best friend because more is caught than taught and it takes about twice as long in a MOLE if you're not sure what you are doing.

[hollow sedge]

I picked up some monays Im good, thanks for your concern

[north oyster]

I finally got a chance to do a market run, seems every time I logged on the dang 9 Tails had CRU-L1 locked down.

Just under 800K aUEC sold to TDD, still have a long ways to go to get my wallet back to it's usual level

[ivory gust]

Nine tails lock down is the perfect time to be a hauler, tons of money to be made

[north oyster]

I skipped this time but yeah, you can clear almost 1M aUEC per haul in a C2

[hollow sedge]

I didn't notice any difference in yield for refining methods. Is this intended?

I just saw a price and wait difference

[ivory gust]

No, there should be a yield difference.

The two that matter are Dinyx Solventation (highest yield, longest wait) and Ferron Exchange (same yield, 1/3 time for 2x cost)

[hollow sedge]

maybe it had to do with how little ore I came in with.

[hollow sedge]

What's your favorite refinery?

[ivory gust]

Arc-L1 since Lyria is the best for quantanium mining currently. If mining in the belt, CRU-L1 since it has the Quant bonus

[hollow sedge]

What if you mine anything -but- quant?

[ivory gust]

A) Don't do that, it's a waste of time compared to other sources of income
B) Depends on where you're mining. Only place I've heard of as being good for non-quant is Taranite on Wala, so you'd still want ARC-L1

[hollow sedge]

But if no one mines the agricium, who will!?

[ivory gust]

Currently it doesn't matter, the prices are fixed

[marble crater]

Would be nice if mining wasn't just about Quant

[ivory gust]

In the future it probably will matter and the market will adjust

Would be really nice if we had industry to do and needed all the various resources to build things, like EVE

[hollow sedge]

I do like Cru L1

[ivory gust]

CRU L1 also has the burrito joint on the hangar deck, ARC-L1 doesn't have a food place there

[hollow sedge]

cru l1 has a massive food court

[ivory gust]

so does ARC, but going to the food court is out of the way

[hollow sedge]

Does the Aaron halo go all the way around the system? I can estimate reaching it near the Crusader side?

[ivory gust]

Yes, just use https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[humble iris]

how do i use all the mining lasers from the pilot seat on the mole?

[hollow sedge]

Oh so just reach 20Mm from stanton marker

[ivory gust]

You don't

[humble iris]

i was told you can

[ivory gust]

You can't

[marble crater]

Manned turrets need to be manned

[humble iris]

dang so i was lied to that sucks

[ivory gust]

The person who told you that was making assumptions about how the game will work in 10 years based on nothing at all

[humble iris]

i flew this brute out of GH for nothing then

gonna crash it

[ivory gust]

You can get out of the pilot seat and go get in the turret

[hollow sedge]

I don't think we'll get mining computers.

The system is kind of complex, and fun

[humble iris]

wee

[ivory gust]

...why would you do that instead of just mining like a normal person

[humble iris]

cause i dont wanna mine in a mole

i have a prospector

also i wasnt gonna mine anyways

[ivory gust]

mole is 3x better

96 > 32

[humble iris]

but can it be operated solo?

[ivory gust]

Yes, just get out of pilot seat and get in turret

[humble iris]

from the pilot seat?

[ivory gust]

No

[humble iris]

exactly

why run around my ship when i can just stay in my seat and press m

[ivory gust]

you don't have to stay in the pilot seat...

[marble crater]

You jump in the turret and mine....solo

[ivory gust]

Because 96 > 32

[humble iris]

me > you

[ivory gust]

it adds maybe a minute of overall overhead, at most

[humble iris]

prospector is faster and easier solo, so

no need for a big ship when you only need little ship

[ivory gust]

if you're mining halo, can make sense, since it's rare to find big clusters and never find big rocks

lyria, having the extra storage is great

[marble crater]

Halo is awful for solo Mole. No laser to scan with while flying

[ivory gust]

Also that, yeah

[hollow sedge]

I'm doing halo in the mole.

[ivory gust]

You're also not mining quant, so you're clearly not interested in efficiency 😛

[hollow sedge]

They should really put windows on the Mole's side mining turrets.

Right now, I just use them to exit quicker

Do I lose modules when I claim my mole?

[ivory gust]

yes

[hollow sedge]

😦

I landed my ship, and it made me claim for some reason. oh well

But I keep my Helix IIs?

[ivory gust]

Usually

[ivory gust]

Probably this from the patch notes known issues:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/190048/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-17-2a-live-8186206-patch-note/5321354

ASOP - Ships on landing pads end up in "unknown state" for location and have to be reclaimed after the ship is stored or streamed out

[cobalt rivet]

[tough timber]

if that happens check the terminal and see if it's at the location you're at just unknown status.

If it is and is on a pad or in a hangar then retrieve another ship at that location and your unknown ship will be put into storage with cargo preserved

is the uncscannable rocks bug fixed by server hopping?

[ivory gust]

Can be fixed temporarily by server hoping or just getting out of pilot seat and back in

[hollow sedge]

idc really, the Impact II is workable on its own.

Also Im gonna work this Hephawhaeteverite

[vestal ravine]

Just had a net loss of 20K on a C2 run at the 9Tails session and heard another player did not "get paid" for shooting down 6 9Tails ships. In my case I note my pre mission balance, how much the meds cost and what the base sale price is at the Admin terminal plus the bonus amount. Generally the gross profit is kinda varied as I made $806,992 on a run the last session. And that's great I love it. But from what I can tell this time was a net loss of 20k. Now I did get the ship impounded. Maybe they deduct credits for that. Anyone else have losses?

[hollow sedge]

is Pyrometric Chromalysis not the same "high yield" as Dinyx and Ferron?

[ivory gust]

It is but it's only 2x the speed of Ferron for 3x the cost, not worth it

[ivory gust]

Did you have the mission?

You need to have the event mission in order to get the big payout

you'll get a bonus of 1k per SCU when you sell with the mission active

[vestal ravine]

Yes I had the mission and logged the bonus amount.

[ivory gust]

what was the bonus amount and the amount it sold for? that sounds very strange

I can understand if the profit from the sale itself was very low, but the bonus too ending up negative sounds very backwards

[vestal ravine]

The meds cost me $1,190,000 the sell amount was $771.886.00 and the bonus was 406k.

[ivory gust]

You only sold 406 SCU, you probably bought 696 SCU and filled the hold. You likely have ~290 SCU left in your cargo.

The demand was probably right on the edge when you sold so you weren't able to sell it all.

[vestal ravine]

Okay I will see visually if the ship has cargo in it as I am logged in for Round 3. EDIT: Yes, there's a bunch of meds on the ship. Never seen them short sell I could of went back. Wonder if this will affect the bonus? I won't have to pay as much to refill - so what will happen? Glad I'm not drunk.

[shell zodiac]

C2 got impounded on a Research Outpost in Clio. Landed it on a pad, but the wind was too strong, it blew it slightly off center from the pad and got it impounded.

Cargo hold full of med supplies for 9TL event. Impounded and can now only be claimed elsewhere.

Is that a common occurrence?

[lime nova]

I've had a C2 disappear before.

[shell zodiac]

rip 1.5m

[lime nova]

that damn thing had 200k of laranite in it

[shell zodiac]

or whatever amount was it that costed. i dont remember.

all i know is my aUEC hit rock bottom lol

[lime nova]

you've picked up SC really quickly, you got a lot of done quickly

[shell zodiac]

Ye, its the only game ive been playing.

[lime nova]

makes sense

[ivory gust]

It can definitely happen, yeah. Need to be careful when you land to always shut off your engines, and I usually try to land farther away from the platinum bay vehicle pads

[vestal ravine]

Well I had a normal sale process with the C2 at 9 Tails so am happy. Apollo: Never heard of an impound at a mining station or res. station. If you need 2 or 3 hundred thousand drop me a message.

[cyan juniper]

Similar thing happened to me. My rule of thumb is to now land ~50 yards away from the closest structure, on the side of an outpost opposite the vehicle bays and landing pads.

[north oyster]

Getting impounded at an outpost is a new one for me. I wonder what conditions had to be met for that. As for the wind, etc, always hit the letter " i " (eye) to turn off your engines. This is also just a good habit to do all the time, especially when landing and stowing your ship.

[misty coyote]

It stops ships spawning miles in the air too.

[rugged axle]

I bet be requested permission to land. Don't do that at mining outposts. Just plop down like you own the place

[north oyster]

I was thinking just that but it would also mean they messed with some of the ATC functions in the field. Might be worth testing to see if that creates the hazard

[fierce zealot]

Looking for help on MOLE load out. What’s the best way to retrofit the ship for multi crew?

[north oyster]

Are you talking about just the mining loadout or other ship components also? Lancet Size 2 is the meta for mining.

If you are working with a multi-crew of mining, if you can put two lasers on a rock, you can crack anything out there.

Pinned at the top of the forum are some guides that will also address customization further

[normal flax]

I don't have info in front of me, how much is the Mole?

nvm found it

5 Mil yeesh

[lapis tusk]

i often find quantanium rocks too hard for my prospector to crack (like 6000+ mass) are there any modules that could help me?

[vestal ravine]

Shouldn't there be an option to pay the fine? I retrieved a C2 from a mining outpost. How different are research stations .

[north oyster]

No, once it is impounded, you can't spawn the ship back at the outpost

this is a lose/lose situation if that happened

[cyan juniper]

Did a bunch of research when it happened to me and my Taurus. Once it’s stored, you are never getting your cargo back. You have to file a claim.

[misty coyote]

Tell me about the Taurus....

I own a RAFT and a Nomad.... Is a Taurus going cover all my bases? Will it haul as well as ROC transport? I want the RAFT to have a touch more scu, but I also want to have a six pack..... Wanting ain't having...

[worthy scroll]

The Taurus carries almost double what the Raft can, and it can carry a ROC (probably two).

[cyan juniper]

I love my Taurus. I use it for everything, not just cargo.

Handles great. Great firepower. Best cargo space for a medium hauler in the game.

[worthy scroll]

And on top of that the Connies are just sexy.

[cyan juniper]

Lower turret is a tractor beam, which may or may not become useful in 3.18.

[misty coyote]

Hmmm.... I have my eyes on the Vulture too, even Hull stripping tickles a game loop I like......

With cargo being a requirement of 3.18 for salvaging to work, there will be loops there for hauling..... I suppose I could buy a Vulture in game with my earning from Hauling or ROC mining....

Connie's look really front heavy...

[cyan juniper]

Connies, generally, are just really good multirole ships IMO. I have no problems picking up a Bounty Hunting or Mercenary contract and the Taurus cargo hold is big enough that you can start to move something other than Laranite and still get a practical return. The Taurus price is also hard to beat for something that checks all of those boxes.

Right now she’s sitting at a refinery filling up on purified materials.

[worthy scroll]

Connies may look front heavy but they have a lot of junk in the trunk.

[jovial matrix]

Connie’s are just too big for me, even if they are very versatile

[worthy scroll]

Size comes with the territory if you want to move enough cargo for it to be worth it. (For now anyway.)

[marble crater]

Connie comes with an Arrow loaner too so you have something zippy to get around in still

[jovial matrix]

I agree on the cargo part, but as a day-to-day ship, I just find my cutty to do everything I need it to without sacrificing maneuverability

[cyan juniper]

Cutty Black is also a good choice if your goal is to do as many careers as possible.

[marble crater]

Cutty Black definitely hits that sweet spot for versatility

I wish the base Freelancer was just a touch wider, ROC is a very tight fit

[jovial matrix]

Indeed

[misty coyote]

I dislike the Cutty for that reason.... Too good at too many things

[jovial matrix]

Lol, that’s fair

[north oyster]

Cutty is the Swiss Army Knife of Star Citizen ... Good at everything, Great at Nothing

[cyan juniper]

The nose down drift thing it does in atmo drives me bonkers.

[jovial matrix]

I don’t think I’ve had that be a problem with mine

My nomad certainly does that though

[marble crater]

they fixed that on the Cutty but the Nomad still does the pitch down

[jovial matrix]

Also does anyone else’s mustang pitch up in atmo?

Specifically the alpha

[marble crater]

not sure but the nose pulling down & the random ship flying away while landed on a planet got me to upgrade my Nomad to a Freelancer lol

[jovial matrix]

Understandable lol

[cyan juniper]

Presumably by the time they get around to tightening up aerodynamics, they will also add some keybinds for a trim hat.

[fierce zealot]

so run Lancets size 2 on all 3 mining turrents and call it a day?

[north oyster]

You can't lose with combo

As for attachments, if you are running multiple lasers, passives would be best over active

[fierce zealot]

run a FLTR-XL module on all 3 as well?

reading through the mega mining guide now

[north oyster]

I'm a solo miner so I don't have a deep bench for MOLE tweaks

[misty coyote]

I feel like there has been a shift in atmo pitch.... My Kore almost flips forwards 180 when I am nosing down

But I put that down to the Kore being the Kore.

[fierce zealot]

should join me with mining 😛

[north oyster]

For all my mining buddies in the 'verse ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qw3uftxgBw

[north oyster]

Thanks for the offer! I'm mostly a lone wolf with mixed up schedule of when i can play (sadly).

I make quick turns in my Prospector, so the aUEC flows in pretty steadily

I last haul to market was sub-million aUEC but not by much, but everyone has their off days 🙂

[normal flax]

Some dude just shot me up at ARC L1 as I was pulling my Max into port. I had nothing in the ship so this guy got crimestat for nothing lol

[ivory gust]

The vehicle spawning pads will impound a ship of you get too close

[ivory gust]

Don't need to request permission to land to trigger the impound, just need to get too close to the vehicle spawner pads

[north oyster]

So it doesn't have anything to do with ATC of the station? But if it bumps the platnium pads?

[ivory gust]

Don't even need to "bump" it, they have a fairly wide area around them that they'll trigger an impound

[worthy scroll]

Yeah, very much a relative thing. Tons of people say the Cutty isn't maneuverable enough, but I've always found it more than fine.

I find the Connie maneuverable enough for what it is. And since I daily a Caterpillar, the Connie feels like a ballerina to me.

[jovial matrix]

Ikr? People were taking about how the cutty handles so terribly during ship showdown on Reddit, when it’s really not bad at all

Also yeah, going from cat to Connie would make the connie feel great lol

[ivory gust]

Which mining outpost did you retrieve your C2 at? I didn't think that was possible

[neon shale]

Are there any small ground vehicles that won't be shot at by bunker turrets?

[jovial matrix]

Cyclones, PTV, ursa rover, the mule

Gravlev bikes will be engaged by bunker turrets, so don’t bring one of those

[cyan juniper]

Gravlev bikes register as ships. That also applies to their keybinds, which is annoying.

[neon shale]

Are those all big ones or small? And where can I buy them?

[cyan juniper]

The PTV is the golf cart looking thing. Pretty sure you can buy one of those with used toilet paper rolls and a smile.

[neon shale]

And multi crew?

[jovial matrix]

In order of size; PTV, cyclone, mule, ursa

[neon shale]

large to small?

[jovial matrix]

PTV is tiny but not very fast, cyclone is like the size of a car and is probably the best option for solo bunker running (has 2-3 seats depending on the variant, so you can bring other people if needed), mule is single seater and only buyable out of game rn so I wouldn’t recommend, ursa is bigger and can carry more people, also has a small turret to defend itself

[jovial matrix]

Smallest to largest, sorry

PTV can be carried by an avenger titan or a reliant KORE, cyclone can be carried by something like a nomad or cutlass black, mule can fit anywhere a cyclone can, and the ursa can be fit into a freelancer max or larger

[vestal ravine]

I was in the ship as a pilot powered on at the Deakins Research Station on a pad. Had med cargo for 9Tails. The session timed out. I awoke at Cru L1. At that places ship terminal it indicated the C2 was stored there and I could retrieve it. I did. The cargo was in the ship. Will test it again. It's ignorant to do you block a landing by another ship.

[cyan juniper]

Sounds like you got lucky and the server 30k’d

[neon shale]

Cyclone or Ursa it is then.

Oh, Cyclone it is then

Cuz I'm flying a cutlass

Can I buy the Cyclone at Lorville? @jovial matrix

[cyan juniper]

Yes you can.

[pliant matrix]

Lorville have Cyclone TR. it come with a turret. Just in case. And it's 28k iirc

[neon shale]

Is that the 2 or 3 man version?

[jovial matrix]

Yup

[cyan juniper]

Last I was there, New Deal on Lorville had most if not all variants of the cyclone.

[ivory gust]

Yeah, that means you got a 30k, very different from getting impounded

[jovial matrix]

The base cyclone has inventory space and the space for a 1SCU box, I would recommend the bad over the TR because the turret it rarely if ever used for bunker running

[neon shale]

I want it for the 3 man seats though so..

[jovial matrix]

Then get the TR

[cyan juniper]

Pull the cyclone up on the pledge store, you can compare all of the model’s stats. You’re looking for max crew.

[ivory gust]

You can probably have someone lie down in the back of the base cyclone and not fall out

[neon shale]

I'll take a look ty

[jovial matrix]

The TR and the MT are the only ones with turrets

[misty coyote]

There we go..... Proud owner of my first Connie....

Lost 6 months insurance and a Aeroview hanger.... But what do they even mean right?

[ivory gust]

Wait, why did you lose insurance? Melted something larger to get it?

[misty coyote]

Yeah..... Had to get the capital back...

[neon shale]

TR or MT?

Which is better?

[jovial matrix]

MT

Just cause it has missiles as well as a turret, even if I can never get the missiles on mine to work

[neon shale]

I think I took TR but it's all right

I just wanna be at bunkers faster..

[jovial matrix]

All good

[lapis tusk]

why are so many rocks in the aaron halo unscannable shits literaly unplayable

[jovial matrix]

Try getting in and out of the pilots seat, apparently that can fix the unscannable rocks

[ivory gust]

Siege of orison is running

That's why

[lapis tusk]

probably i heard it has to do with the servers

tbh i spent the last 2 days trying prossie mining and soo makes it hard to have fun

[ivory gust]

try Lyria instead of the aaron halo

or just go join SOO instead 🙂

[worldly shore]

I joined SC because I was interested in trade and hauling but it's been a real struggle due to buggy delivery runs, crashes that cause me to lose all the trade cargo I purchased and getting attacked / killed around stations.

What methods do you haulers out there use?

Thanks for any advice.

[novel harness]

What is the best and cheapest scouting ship to locate quant fast? (Lyria)

[ivory gust]

On Lyria it doesn't matter, you can just use any ship to scout, even a starter. If you're solo, there's no need to scout first, you can just show up in your miner and search.

[ivory gust]

Honestly, trade is in kind of a bad place right now. Profits are low, risk is high. If you have a trade ship and enough capital, the Nine Tails Lockdown event (running again tomorrow) is one of the only ways to make big profit with trading, but it can be risky if people are camping the station on the server you're on.

What ship are you using, and by "crashes" I assume you mean game crashes? What are your system specs?

[worldly shore]

i9 - 10900k
32 Gig RAM
SSD drive
RTX - 2080ti

Yes, game crashes. Sorry.
I had purchased the Freelancer - MISC package

[fallen atlas]

Riskiest part of trading is the evil 30ks

[ivory gust]

Make sure your graphics drivers are up to date, I have an nvidia card as well and had quite a few crashes a few weeks ago before updating drivers

[worldly shore]

Yes, I made the mistake of using almost all of my cash to buy commodities and lost it all on a 30k crash

[ivory gust]

30k usually won't cause you to lose cargo due to the 30k protection

[fallen atlas]

the 30k protection has definitely gotten better

[ivory gust]

Also, a Freelancer isn't really enough cargo space to make good money hauling. Need a Freelancer MAX or Taurus to really dip your toes in, but need a Caterpillar or C2 to make decent money

[fallen atlas]

C2 is all I'd bother running tbh

[ivory gust]

C2, Caterpillar, Carrack can be competitive with other "end game" sources of income, but definitely riskier since you lose everything on a client crash

With how unstable the game is right now I really can't recommend hauling as a primary source of income. We'll have to see if that changes next patch with cargo refactor

[worldly shore]

So what is the best way to get away from the attacks? I haven't been able to successfully fight off an attack although my inexperience probably has a lot do with that. I can't seem to run away fast enough either. 🙂

[fallen atlas]

quantum travel is the best way. If you get caught in QED fields between zones you just have to fly off or kill the target. Definitely easier with a gunner/escort ship.

[worldly shore]

Sorry, what is the QED fields? Also, if not trading, what is the best non combat relaxing form of making money in game?

Never heard of the 30k protection either. I'll look into it.

[ivory gust]

Mining

[cyan juniper]

As someone who has recently gotten into mining from hauling. The decrease in anxiety from hauling to mining is significant.

[fallen atlas]

QED are quantum interdiction fields in which they can "snare" you out of quantum travel should you pass through them. Sometimes NPCs have a random chance of catching you on routes between planets and whatnot.

[worldly shore]

Ah, got it.

[fallen atlas]

Only one ship snares at the moment, and they're hard to use for catching players, so it's mostly just those NPCs. There is no guaranteed way to avoid combat all-together though

[ivory gust]

You can start with ROC mining for only 4k to rent the ROC, your Freelancer should already be able to carry it (although it's a tight squeeze). Great intro guide (although skip the part where he rents a cutlass): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTmqTYzvTYs

[worldly shore]

Ha! Suggesting an idiots guide for me? Are you trying to tell me something Chris? 😄

I saw some videos on mining and I think it looks good too

[ivory gust]

Nah, I just really like that guide since it covers everything, makes no assumptions about what the person currently knows, and StarrStreams is a great and fun streamer

[lapis tusk]

does storing a prossie stop the q timer

[ivory gust]

That said, ROC mining is kind of not in a great place either since the ROC itself doesn't have 30k protection--you'll want to do something like set up a Voice Attack or AutoHotkey macro to transfer the gems to your ship, and do that after each cluster you mine

[ivory gust]

Yes, although don't land in the hangar and store it, just get impounded. There are bugs currently where going into the hangar and landing can cause you to blow up or the quant to go inert. Just float up to a hangar door without calling ATC for landing and wait out the impound timer. If you don't see a timer pop up within ~15seconds while you're in front of a closed hangar, go to a different hangar

[worldly shore]

Thanks again Chris. I'm going to watch the video when I get home tonight. I hope you all have an awesome rest of your day.

[ivory gust]

@violet narwhal Spam nonsense ^

[violet narwhal]

Gone

[ivory gust]

Thank you sir

[hollow sedge]

@ivory gust So go somewhere, do 8 45 degree angles, look for big clusters, and if none, move elsewhere really far?

[ivory gust]

...No, that's not what I said

[hollow sedge]

Well the guides say to look for big clusters...

[ivory gust]

Yes, but that's not how you scan for them

[hollow sedge]

Then I'm confused, because I find thousands of rocks, but none have quant.

[ivory gust]

https://youtu.be/TfB-8a65hrA?t=49

that video describes how to scan for clusters

You don't need to change the keybindings the way he does, that's optional

starting at about 1:30 he demos how to look for clusters

[hollow sedge]

Ok I see it

using 2 degree, get a quad white thing, and probably quant

[ivory gust]

one "quad white thing" is not a cluster, you want to see multiple "quad white things"

each white diamond result is a single deposit of ore

[hollow sedge]

yes, I realize that. thanks for checking.

[ivory gust]

The other thing you can if you don't like fiddling with the scanner is just cruise along at high speed at around 500-1km altitude and fly past all the scan results while heading generally in one direction, then you only stop if it's a cluster

[hollow sedge]

also I could adapt it and and just bum rush a bunch of terraine with 45 degree or 90 degree

[ivory gust]

Yes, that can work too, although you won't be able to see clusters from as far away with that method

[hollow sedge]

I can only have one lump of quant processing at the station at a time?

😦

[worthy scroll]

You can have several full loads processing at one time.

[hollow sedge]

oh ok cool.

[north oyster]

Pretty much unlimited number of refinery jobs in the que. I've had as many as about 30 at one time. The only risk normally is a new patch.

I would recommend breaking up your deliveries. I did a C2 full of quantainium one time. Talk about stress. So I break it down to smaller loads

[toxic citrus]

And don't stack too much at a time, you will find yourself spending too much time just going back and forth to sell quant unless you have a fairly sizable ship.

[north oyster]

Find that good balance. I normally clear all refinery jobs on Sunday

[toxic citrus]

If the best you can do is one order at a time, always, ALWAYS empty any that are ready

I had once stacked around 11 orders and the best I had was a cutlass black

[north oyster]

Wow, that's a lot of runs

[toxic citrus]

You can imagine how long it took to fly 11 times between Area 18 and the R&R

[north oyster]

That's why I like the MAX. Not expensive but offers 120 SCU

[toxic citrus]

At the time best I could do is rent a cutty

spent the first 2 mil on a prosp

That's why I didn't have a proper ship for the quant hauls

[north oyster]

That's part and parcel of the build it up gig

[toxic citrus]

Yep

[hollow sedge]

i do mole + c2 with my ert money

[north oyster]

that's a quick 9M aUEC spent

or more

[hollow sedge]

Ert is a Lotta money

[rugged axle]

25k, or 90k for a group ert. Takes alot of them to get that 10mil 🙂

[north oyster]

I'll stick to being a simple miner. Avg about 250K aUEC per trip.

[ivory gust]

I mean, after the first delivery you could rent an Andromeda...

[toxic citrus]

But you see

Im lazy

[lapis tusk]

i just loaded up my ship wit 30 scu of refined quant and its just not there

[jovial matrix]

Quant has a bug where it won’t visually show up in your cargo hold, however it’s still there and you’re good to go sell it

[lapis tusk]

I just had a heart attack

[jovial matrix]

Lol, understandable

[rain mauve]

How much would i get for the ninetails medical thing with a cutty black?

[jovial matrix]

If you brought a full haul of medical supplies, you would get the profit from your haul + 46,000 from the bonus

[rain mauve]

Yikes

[onyx lake]

In the C2, it cost me about 1.2 mil to fill it with medical supplies, then I got something like 1.35 mil from selling it, then another 750k or something like that from the mission bonus, so roughly a 800k profit per run. The mission bonus is what makes that contract worth while

[jovial matrix]

Indeed

But since the bonus is per SCU, a cutty isn’t going to get a huge bonus per run

[onyx lake]

very true

[hollow sedge]

Is it true that quant rocks have "sweet spots" and they charge better if you find it?

[rugged axle]

Possibly, but more likely as you move the laser trying to find the "sweet spot" you are changing the distance, which will make it charge better the closer the laser is.

[onyx lake]

I think the "sweet spot" is distance related like Death said. My thought is that there might be a point where you are far enough away decreasing laser efficiency that your maximum power output of your laser will only charge the rock very slowly which might help prevent overcharging. Im not really sure that is a thing that even works like that, but it might be worth trying out different distances from a rock while mining it.

[barren marsh]

I've just had my 3rd load of Quant detonate in the hanger. It goes from stable to red as soon as I enter the hanger and blows up before I can reach the terminal. I'm not running into anything or landing rough. The first time I thought I forgot landing gear, but the last 2 I triple checked gear was out. Am I doing something wrong, or is it just being "star citizen-y" and blowing up for no reason?

[rugged axle]

Its a known bug caused by desynch and server health. If it happens once, it will continue to happen on that server. Best course is get impounded with a load

[barren marsh]

Alright, that worked great. Thanks for the tip @rugged axle

scary to watch that countdown go down with a load of pure quant though

[rugged axle]

Yea. I'll land on a new server. The moment I lose a load due to it, I typically just server hop. By that point rocks are getting hard to find typically

[ivory gust]

Never land, always impound. Even if you're paying the fee every time (you only need to pay it if you're going back out again within 15min), one lost load of Quant is more than 40 impound fees

[hollow sedge]

I've never had trouble landing. How does impounding guarantee anything?

[prime thicket]

yo anyone down to help me with cargo or mining

[hollow sedge]

Ok mining is numbing

especially mining quant

[prime thicket]

bett lets do some cargo runs

[barren marsh]

made 3 runs and haven't had my ship just randomly explode since I learned the impounding trick. Before this I lost about 1/4 of my loads due to spontaneous detonation.

impounding guarantees safe storage instead of your load going from stable to boom in seconds.

[ivory gust]

just think of it as valet parking

or in the case of nine tails lockdown, "screw you for telling me your hangars are full"

[marble crater]

yeah I lost a couple loads at the start of the patch & been enjoying valet parking since

[delicate girder]

Think there will be another lockdown at 4-5 hrs or so?

[ivory gust]

3hrs, 20min

[delicate girder]

Is that the time she starts talking of the time it kicks in you think. I was talking the time it kicks in.

[ivory gust]

That's the time that the blockade actually starts.

[prime thicket]

yo want to do a cargo run?

[novel harness]

Any easy way to calculate how much money i make from selling quant in SCU?

Like 59.14 scu

[ivory gust]

8800 per SCU of refined quant

[novel harness]

Ty

[rain mauve]

Anyone know where this is? Or is this older footage from b4 the update

[toxic citrus]

That's most likely MicroTech

[rain mauve]

Thanks

[toxic citrus]

Well it has to be anyway, since its the only planet with lakes

[rain mauve]

I saw it in the b-roll of tht redbull video

[toxic citrus]

Don't ask about the location, I have no idea where it is

[tardy flower]

End of the river of Microtech

[rain mauve]

Tysm

[rain mauve]

is there a faster way to escape the ntl qt jammer?

[worthy scroll]

Go more faster forward.

[rain mauve]

[hollow sedge]

Why are my surges never running out?

[crimson oak]

Afterburner and put all power into your engines in the power triangle, i use keybinds for 100% shields, engines, weapons to quickly switch between.

putting more power into the engines wont make it go faster but it will make the afterburner last longer and regen faster.

[rain mauve]

ahh I see, I maxed everything out but sadly my cutty calls it a day at 1113

[crimson oak]

thats pretty good tbh

[onyx lake]

That looks like MT, but Hurston also has lakes

[cyan juniper]

Hit max speed, decouple, slow til they can just barely catch up, open fire until either their engines give out or they explode.

[rain mauve]

the qt jammer is a person???

[cyan juniper]

My understanding was that the QT jammer was emanating from one of the NPC pirates waiting for you.

[jovial matrix]

I think they’re talking about the interdiction sphere around the nine tails lockdown event, which I’m pretty sure doesn’t move and can’t be destroyed like a mantis can

[cyan juniper]

Oops, disregard what I said. Reading would have helped me.

[jovial matrix]

Lol, all good

[burnt storm]

I actually really liked doing cargo in my carrack during the event, how does the loop fair outside the event?

[burnt storm]

dang I need to find this.

[jovial matrix]

Carrack is a good ship for hauling cargo, so you’d make good money (at least for cargo hauling). Just be aware the profits aren’t going to be nearly as high as in the event

[tardy flower]

Check on YouTube to find the way from Newbabbage

[north oyster]

There is really not medical profit outside the event, the margin isn't terrible but the demand and buy back rate is insufferable. You could spend hours and hours trying to sell off a load of med supplies

[burnt storm]

I understood that much, but other cargo has better margins right?

[north oyster]

PO is the largest buyer of Meds but that is only a minuscule rate also

Yes, trade is profitable

In a Carrack you can make decent coin with trade

[burnt storm]

I've got 45600 units of med supplies that I was about 2 minutes short of selling so I'm dealing with that already lol

[north oyster]

ouch, it will repeat if you want to hold on to it

[burnt storm]

I don't think it will

[north oyster]

that's happened to me before also

[burnt storm]

pirate week ends in like 30 minutes?

[north oyster]

look up Jack Axton on YT. He has a little older guide that is still applicable.

Scrap is what I I grab for a quick coin when I'm running my C2 back to a space station after hauling Quantainium

Titanium, gold, astatine and others products make good hauls

Pick up what laranite you find, but don't expect it to be much

[vestal copper]

is the scanner broken for anyone else? I try to scan a rock for quantanium but its not working

nvm i figured it out

[north oyster]

Are you prospecting on Lyria or the Halo?

[vestal copper]

lyria but its working now

[ivory gust]

1. Own two haulers
2. Set your regen station to Grim Hex or Port Tressler and claim both haulers there
3. Use the first hauler to deliver med supplies
4. Suicide to regen at your selected station, claim first hauler, take second hauler for a delivery

Avoid the QT interdiction entirely!

[rain mauve]

smart thx

[neon shale]

Best prospector loadout?

quant

[prisma scarab]

Lancet, surgex2, stampeed tends to be ok.

Its pretty subjective to your requirements but that should get you breaking the big rocks.

[gentle brook]

Lancet head, surge, stampede, optimum or Brandt. Pick your 3

[vestal ravine]

Bill (A2) Fred (C2)report on 9 Tails participation:

Using a C2 and a A2 in two different accounts doing as many Medical Supply runs as I could muster I made 17 trips out and back.

Key Losses: Two of the fully loaded C2's were shot down and one heading out for a second run empty was shot down.

Seven trips were in the A2 and ten in the C2 craft.

A2 total profits: $1,188,868.00
C2 total profits: $883,693.00

Observations: The A2 carries a lot less SCU and there were no losses so that is an okay profit in my book.

The C2 however has a gross profit with the bonus of about 815,000 thousand per trip. Getting shot down twice put a dent in the take home pay. Should I of hired out an escort knowing I might get shot down a few times? Seventeen hires is a lot of coordination and cost and being a solo player I have avoided this.

Anyway just a look at what happened. Certainly enjoyed the event and am ready for more.

Side note: The A2's last flight did not allow for a return trip to the station so I am sitting on $363,191 dollars worth of Medical Supplies.

[neon shale]

Where do i get surge?

[gentle brook]

Surge is main stations on planets. Area 18 for example if you base out of arc l1.

I would buy a bunch and bring them back

[north oyster]

finder.cstone.space

[idle yacht]

Is there a reason to run a Mole if I rather go to Aaron than Lyria? Like, you usually have to go back after 1 Quant rock because of the timer

and 1 rock is enough to fill the prospector

[ivory gust]

No, and MOLE can't scan effectively in the Aaron halo when solo anyway--since you don't have mining mode you can't see what type asteroids are from far away the way a Prospector can

[ornate tusk]

I was finally transporting all of my quant to be sold, but my game crashed and I lost it all, sad day

[delicate girder]

If you have a ROC inside a ship with gems in it, do those gems survive a 30k if you're in the ship? Can't remember.

[delicate girder]

Not a 30k, but a crash eh?

[ornate tusk]

yup, been having problems recently with the game just straight up crashing, makes mining and cargo a pain

[delicate girder]

I've had a few of those too.

[worthy scroll]

Often with a crash like that, if you log in fast enough, you pop right back in, inside your ship and things are fine.

Provided the ship didn't crash into anything.

[delicate girder]

Hey, @worthy scroll, your not CIG right? That yellow color is not quite the same right?

[worthy scroll]

No, my role is just a rank in the server that anyone can earn.

[delicate girder]

I figured.