industrial-professions

[long linden]

Not 31,999 kms away

[wary maple]

is that what the ship is telling you? it can sometimes bug out and tell you that but you still have QT in there, I've only had it once actually turn it into Inert for me

[long linden]

It took me 3 hours to get there, and the station was not there

[ivory gust]

Post screenshot

[long linden]

I will do that

[mild pumice]

@wary maple nah I was being silly I got 90% mix of Diamonds and Borase however I'm not getting a drop down on thr trading console to sell

[ivory gust]

When setting a route to a station now, there are two hops--one to the L1 (or whatever) point itself, and again to the station itself. If you don't have a route set, it might try to target the L1-A point instead, which can be frustrating

[ivory gust]

The refinery selling stations are largely broken this patch. Need to refine.

[mild pumice]

I can setup a work order though so I'll do the cheapest and sell tomorrow 👍

[ivory gust]

Cheapest/best yield is Dinyx Solventation, but it'll take a couple days

[mild pumice]

Yeah dinyx is what I usually go for I think

Right thats cooking 😎

[worthy scroll]

Says who? They aren't all the same. 😊

[vestal ravine]

On the final jump to the station zoom in the Star map look for the space station shape select to that shape. Its changed to combat piracy. You now 2 to 3 paths to the station.

Have...

[ivory gust]

Or just set your route to the station itself from the start

It wouldn't be nearly so obnoxious if there wasn't the L1-A point right next to the station which sometimes gets selected instead

[wary maple]

hehe, yeah it can be a pain to select them sometimes

[vestal ravine]

I can't do that the shapes overlap and can't get the jump icon to stay present.

[ivory gust]

I've never had trouble setting my route (in the map) to the station before heading there

[vestal ravine]

Two straight in jumps like before?

[ivory gust]

Yep--I set route to teh station itself, first jump lands me 30k away, second jump lands me at the station

[dapper mesa]

Have got a new issue. Expired rentals are still a problem apparently, have an expired connie cluttering up my arc L1 refinery terminal, and they don't show numbers to indicate which one it is

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-46806

[obtuse sand]

wasn’t this an issue in the last patch too?

i remember having like 6 harbingers and 13 pisces, and the loadouts got all mixed up

like my original harbinger was number 5 back then

[mild pumice]

A character reset should clear them

[ivory gust]

They didn't show up in the refinery though, now they do, and that's the problem

Was already reported here at https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-45831 but because Issue Council is stupid that one expired

The best workaround right now is to go to the admin console in the galleria and fill the old ones with scrap so they're not eligible for refinery delivery

It's also definitely not "critical."

[normal ravine]

is the cutlass black viable for trading?

with good routes?

[ivory gust]

Not really, the only way to make good money trading is with a C2 or Caterpillar

[normal ravine]

I'll stick to mining until I get the c2 then

[mild idol]

OK this is just dumb. Basically twice now I've restored my ship which is now a smoldering hulk with glowing legs I guess due to my Quant having gone critical after the 30K.

[mild pumice]

imma try Lyria next not done any mining planetside (except Roc ofc)

[ivory gust]

Are you landing? Don't land. Just get impounded

Also upvote https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-39766

[mild idol]

1st time yes got horrible lag and suddenly red alarm. I landed and tried to quickly store. Thought I'd made it but when to the refinery and empty. 2nd time coming back with a sweet haul 30K. Waited 15mins to allow it to fix itself. Restore ship same. I've nuked the ship not paying 22K for repairing a borked ship again.

[mild idol]

Going to go back to Bex mining until I work out if its going to be stable or not.

[ivory gust]

If you 30k with a good load, all you need to do is wait for the ship to show as "retrieve" instead of "claim" in the ASOP, then retrieve it and immediately re-store it

then just head to the refinery

I always impound, never land, and I have yet to hit an issue with quant going critical

[dapper mesa]

I tried that, there's not an option to buy anything onto it

[ivory gust]

Very odd, for me it will only show up in the Refinery terminal if it also shows up in Admin

[mild idol]

Now un-scannable rocks. Think I'm done today.

[ivory gust]

Get out of seat, get back in seat

Fixes unscannables for me

[mild idol]

Really should be this hard though should it?

[ivory gust]

"mining too easy" says CIG. "let's make it harder" they say. Ergo...unscannable rocks, quant randomly blowing up

[fervent sedge]

What would I buy and sell if I had a C2

And how much money would I gain per run?

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[ivory gust]

I'd recommend going to one of the HDMS mining outposts (e.g., bezdek), buying all the laranite they have, filling the rest with titanium, then going and selling at Lorville

You'll make 125k per trip on just Titanium, any Laranite you picked up is a bonus

[fervent sedge]

Nice

[vestal ravine]

I need to use most or part of my Cutty black for refined goods to the tdd desk. But I have a 2 scu box there. What should I do with the crate to not lose it?

[spring prism]

Can you pick up the crate?

[vestal ravine]

Yes with a tractor beam have not tried handheld yet.

[spring prism]

If it's not contributing to your SCU Space, move it next to a door or one of the seats.

[vestal ravine]

Yea I could move it to a corner area then load one refined job and see what happens. These are smaller loads.

[ivory gust]

Note that quantanium doesn't show up as real boxes in your hold, so if it's quant you might be fine

[vestal ravine]

Thanks Chris, no; it's the other refined minerals.

[rugged axle]

Sometimes quant does show up. But not all of it lol. I had 670scu in my c2. And it showed about 10 boxes in the hold

[ivory gust]

did you have anything other than quant in that load?

[vestal ravine]

Chris: There is no Quant just the other crate's materials.

[ivory gust]

That second question was for DeathbyLuck

[mild pumice]

had better luck on Lyria 🙂

[rugged axle]

Nope, was all quant. I've noticed it with multiple loads

[coral crypt]

anyone got a handy list of prices for cave stuff like dolivine, heart of the woods, revenant pod, etc... can't find any

[mild pumice]

well that didn't end well - first time I've been interdicted and killed by a player

[ivory gust]

!tradetools , at the top go to Trading, select Commodities

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[ivory gust]

Wow, who was it? Did they try to pirate you or just go for the kill?

[coral crypt]

Thanks, looks like I'm making a table/cheatsheet myself

[marble crater]

Will be alot more pirates practising Interdiction for 3.18

[mild pumice]

I had my chat closed they asked for 50k but I didn't see it and thought they were an NPC tbh and turned to fight lol

I blank the name as I think it only fair not to name names

No hard feelings to the player tho, it's good to have these interactions and see how it all plays out

[marble crater]

I've been pirated a couple times but they've normally requested around 50K which I find reasonable. Bummer you had chat closed though

Most I was asked for was $100k but I haggled lmao

[mild pumice]

he he as I say my first time getting stopped by a player I'll open chat next time, I don't mind it's all part of the game tbh

[marble crater]

Yep also part of the risk you take going without a scout/escort. They need a better chat setup for encounters like this

[west tide]

how much does 721 cSCU of laranite sell for

im trying to understand the the rates of SCU and stuff

[spring prism]

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Laranite

Each price listed there is per individual unit, not SCU

[ivory gust]

Can't they just hail your ship and use voice?

50k is indeed very reasonable for a full Prospector imo

[hoary ice]

next time stall and ping me, ill come with an arrow

[west tide]

so cSCU is the units?

[mild pumice]

Yeah you should be able to ping a ship. I had a quick look to see if they were a bounty target so I could get revenge lol.

[marble crater]

Some do but most people use chat instead. If you have global chat off you miss it. A direct chat window with over ride would be good

Similar to hailing but in chat form

[spring prism]

Yes, 100 cSCU = 1 SCU

So take the 31 aUEC, and times it by your 721 to get how much it's worth. If it's refined that is.

The ore versions can only be sold at the ore terminals in the refineries, which is why they don't show anything if you have no ore. They're usually half that of the refined version.

[west tide]

its laranite from trading

[fallow cedar]

is there a way to bookmark a spot in space to come back later?

[ivory gust]

Use a box from a delivery mission or the probe from a research mission.

You won't be able to QT back to it directly, but it'll show on your HUD if you're tracking the mission and you can find it that way

[fallow cedar]

so i just take a delivery mission cancel it and then use the box or keep the mission pending?

[fallen atlas]

Keep the mission so you don't lose the box marker

[ivory gust]

Yep, the marker only shows up as long as the mission is active, which also means when you log out you'd need to get a new box

I wish they had real tracking devices though, that would be neat. Make a UI like the mining gadgets have to allow you to tune the device to a specific frequency, and then you need something to allow you to track that frequency

[drowsy drift]

Hi, I am at the refinery and wanted to refine quant, but at the terminal I can't chose my Prospector. At the Ore selling terminal it says that I have 100% inert materials. I had plenty of time left when I stored my ship and the landing was no problem as always. Anybody has an idea what I can do? I can't even sell the inert materials...

[verbal cargo]

try server hopping and going back to the terminal

[drowsy drift]

tried a second time now, still inert

[ivory gust]

Don't land, just impound. Stuff often goes inert when landing

[spring prism]

If you don't know how to impound: Just hover close to a closed hangar door without contacting ATC. It should take about a minute to do fully.

[vestal vector]

Okay I think i will go the passive route for mining modules, that way i can drink more coffee while i mine (passive sounds like less work) :3

[vestal vector]

Quick Q.

If i just change my mining head to a lancet on my prospector and nothing else, what is the max rock mass i can break? without any other modules.

I wonder if there is a calculator/spreadsheet where you can add whatever modules/heads and calculates all the possible stats

[verbal cargo]

about 5600 with nothing else

[spring prism]

You can go as high as 6100-6200 with just yourself and no consumables, but I wouldn't recommend it. It takes ages, literal ages.

[vestal vector]

thanks mate. i was using the stock mining head and could not break above 5,000 so i assume stock can only break around 4,500 max?

[vestal vector]

oh fully stock prospector can break 6,000?

[spring prism]

I used Helix for that, but with enough coercion you probably could :V

But like I said: aaaaaages

Lancet can break up to 5600 or so with reasonable speed on its own, no consumables. I've done this on Asteroids myself.

if you plan to go surface-side, like Lyria and go for Quant rocks, you're better off stocking surges/etc. as well, since you're more than likely going to get the best quant rocks in 7100+ Mass

Your mining head doesn't reset if you claim from one station to another btw. Just the modules get taken off

[cyan mountain]

Surges, boremax and forel module

Sabir for -75 instability if you really want to

[twilit dragon]

What the best location to mine
With a rented propector

[spring prism]

Halo. You won't usually get high mass rocks

[twilit dragon]

K

[cyan mountain]

Is it harder without the lancet?

[spring prism]

Lancet gives a whopping 40-45% optimal window increase iirc

And instability -70%, which is basically required for quant

[cyan mountain]

You could bring some gadgets and a Brandt module

And roughly get the stats of a lancet

Resistance might not be an issue actually

[spring prism]

If you're in "Optimal" Distance from the rock, Resistance is almost never an issue. Your charge also won't fluctuate like it would in sufficient either.

[cyan mountain]

There are gadgets that increase the optimal window

A rented prospector isn't that bad with them

I might not even need to pledge it next wipe

Hell yeah

[vestal vector]

ye the first rock i ever tried to mine was 6,000+ and the bar was barely moving up so i gavce up on that rock ahaha

[vestal vector]

thx

i fcuking love this game

[spring prism]

Rocks also have "Weak Spots." But finding them requires you to move around the rock while still mining.

[vestal vector]

pledged in 2013, played arena commander twice in 2016, and just this week got into it. mining is actually fun as

[vestal vector]

ah did not know, i watched a few videos on mining but they never mentioned.. i might need to watch more

[spring prism]

Aaand discord is going slow, but reddit isn't. Thanks ISP or Discord.

Weak Spots usually can't make up for lack of power/etc. on higher mass rocks.

Also, there's no difference in stats between Size 1 (Prospector) and Size 2 (Mole) Mining Heads, besides Distance/Range/Reach

[twilit dragon]

Does two rented prospectors help with quantum mining

[spring prism]

I don't know exactly how it works, as I've only watched tutorials do it solo, even on the Mole, which has three lasers on its own.

[twilit dragon]

Oof

[obsidian shard]

where should i mine

[ivory gust]

No, you won't have the instability reduction

[obsidian shard]

prospector

[ivory gust]

It is technically possible to mine Quant with a rented Prospector using gadgets, but it's a massive PITA and not worth the time and effort compared to just ROC mining. Plus, you don't always get the gadgets back

[cobalt rivet]

The two prospectors combined will give you enough power to break a rock but you have to be extra careful with the green window cause its really high instability particularly with quantainium rocks

[cyan mountain]

Grinding the 2 mil can take a while with rock mining

And it's tidious

I started storing the gems as soon as I was done extracting

I won't lose all of my progress with a 30k

It is also a massive PITA

The roc needs the 30k protection, I don't get it why it doesn't

[cobalt rivet]

Might as well just mine 2nd tier minerals on prospector

[cyan mountain]

I've never tried that

[cobalt rivet]

You dont have to worry about it exploding in tour ship and the contents are 30 k protected

[obsidian shard]

where should i mine

in a prospectore

[cobalt rivet]

If youre going for quantanium mine lyria,

[obsidian shard]

looking for bex, tar, generally any hightier materials besides quantanium

[cobalt rivet]

In arcorp

Also microtech moons suppsedly have lots quantanium

But weather there is rough

Winds could slam you against mountains

Dunno bout 2nd tier stuffs tho, Ive only targetted quant

[vestal vector]

what's 30k about?

goes to google it..

[jovial matrix]

When the server crashes

[cobalt rivet]

Error 30,000 , server disconnect

Happens a lot this patch

[vestal vector]

I see, reading on it now too

I got a server disconnect yesterday while playing but didnt note the error code.. luckily i stored my ores into the refinery beforehand

[cobalt rivet]

It makes roc mining particularly miserable

[vestal vector]

roc is with the car thing

[cobalt rivet]

Yes

[vestal vector]

more time to deploy.. get back etc.

mmm

[cobalt rivet]

Greycat ROC

[vestal vector]

oh that might fit in my starfarer

[cyan mountain]

Thats

Unpractical

I might pledge only the nomad

I don't like the cutlass

[cobalt rivet]

Wuh?

[vestal vector]

i got the nomad as a loaner for something, yet to try it

thats the one with the outside cargo at the back

[cyan mountain]

It's a cutlass, but in the form of a pick up truck

[cobalt rivet]

Cutty is capable of protecting its cargo

[cyan mountain]

I prefer doing bounties

[cobalt rivet]

Oh ok

[cyan mountain]

That's gonna be the early game ship

And when I don't feel like it, roc minimg

It's much faster in that

[cobalt rivet]

Needs a quick load offload option for ROC so you can store contents in ship

[cyan mountain]

We need a god damn transfer all button

[cobalt rivet]

Yes

Damnit CiG

[cyan mountain]

I was thinking of making a script that does that automatically

I'm afraid that easy anticheat could ban me for that tho

[obsidian shard]

@cobalt rivet

[worthy scroll]

Technically it's a catchall error for "You ain't connected no more", but yeah, it's generally a server went kaput.

[ivory gust]

Be careful with the nomad, currently when in atmosphere above 300m/s it will actively try to kill you

That will allegedly be fixed soon, and at that point yeah it'll be a good little ROC carrier

Also the nomad loaner is probably for a Reliant of some kind

[vestal vector]

alrighty then maybe i will not give it a try 😂

ye i have reliant kore

[ivory gust]

As long as you stay below 300m/s you're fine, and above that it just gets... Exciting

[vestal vector]

I was hoping for the hull b to be ready in PU to transport my cargo but the Hull A will have to do.. other option is starfarer

[ivory gust]

Need to constantly apply nose up pressure

The Hull B sounds really good to me, I just wish the loaner was more sensible than just a Hull A... Should get Taurus, or at least a MAX

[jovial matrix]

Ive never had a problem with my nomad, wdym by "actively try to kill you"

[marble crater]

I have a Nomad as one of my pledge ships but the size 1 Quantum Drive kinda sucks & so does the dipping nose in atmo. Gonna upgrade it to a Freelancer

[umbral rune]

so today I learned there's a back door on a prospector, but all it does is lower a weird little thing. No idea what it does. anyone know?

[worthy scroll]

That's meant to be something with the filtration or cargo jettison I believe.

[ivory gust]

Poop chute

[umbral rune]

h u h

probably just not functional yet then

[ivory gust]

Pitches nose down constantly

[jovial matrix]

ah yeah

[ivory gust]

As in, tries to drive you into the ground. Took your hands off the stick for ten seconds? Have fun being dead

[worthy scroll]

Yeah. It's meant to be able to filter some of the stuff you've collected, get rid of inert material.

[crimson oak]

O_o wow id no idea either

[ivory gust]

Only ship I've flown that does that

[umbral rune]

neat

[jovial matrix]

yeah, its annoying

[marble crater]

The Cutty Black used to have the dipping nose problem too but they patched it & forgot to do it on the Nomad

[umbral rune]

i found it by accident when I used a hotkey to "open exterior"

[ivory gust]

AFAIK that functionality got switched to the mining modules with the FLTR series rather than being part of the ship

[umbral rune]

which is a bit unfortunate

[worthy scroll]

The 100 series, and the Gladius also have little openings on the exterior.

[umbral rune]

though tbh I could probably run that since 80%+ of the rocks I get end up not requiring module use

[worthy scroll]

Oh that's annoying. It makes more sense for the ship to be able to do that.

[umbral rune]

also took me longer than I'd like to admit to find out how to access the Mustang's stowage

[worthy scroll]

That's essentially brand new, or newly implemented anyway, so you can be excused there 🙂

[umbral rune]

oh? fair enough

I came back to the game after over a year of not playing it about a week or so before the wipe

[worthy scroll]

It was just added this patch I believe. Something that had been missing from the ship for years.

[umbral rune]

ahhh

me and my friends call that spot "the coffin"

I still need to get a friend on to sit in the coffin and see if i can take them places

[worthy scroll]

Now I can't say the Hawk is the only ship with a butt hold anymore.

[cyan mountain]

The hawk has a butt hold?

[umbral rune]

i first saw that prospector poop chute and though "EXTERNAL CARGO!?"

thought it'd act as an inventory for some reason

since the prosp stowage is pretty tiny

[worthy scroll]

And it's cargo capacity is entirely taken up by the mining bags. It can't carry anything else.

[umbral rune]

I've also noticed overlap

Ill show it off in a moment

saw some hadonite so i stopped and popped it to pocket it

oh ffs

vehicle specific ring of death

so I guess I'm not showing a damn thing off

[cyan mountain]

My prospector is missing the bags lmao

[umbral rune]

man the inventory system needs an overhaul

just can't access my prospector's stowage because the inventory system blows

[ivory gust]

Yep! It's a bed, too, so you can log off from it

[obsidian shard]

@ivory gust do you know if I can jettison cargo from my prospector?

[ivory gust]

No idea sorry

[obsidian shard]

Besides quant. i know you can jettison those

[ivory gust]

I've heard you can't jettison anything other than quant

[marble crater]

can only Jettison when you have Quant that's about to explode

[umbral rune]

which makes it almost useless a function tbh

trying to show off the overlap i've noticed on prospectors

but keep getting ring of death

I JUST relogged

I moved 4 items over

[ivory gust]

i mean, the purpose is to save the ship if you won't be able to store it in time

but in the current version of the game there's no point to save the ship

[umbral rune]

modules only i guess

Nothing in storage

Only hadonite in storage

I extracted nothing with the laser

it is such a small amount taken up that any filtr module would remove enough actual inert to make up for any space used, but yeah this is a thing

by the way.......... is it possible to change the color of the white lines/text on the prospector hud? Or am I just screwed?

white on lyria is....... unpleasant

[ivory gust]

mine on the night side :4head:

[umbral rune]

that comes with other issues

too dark other than highlights

or

[worthy scroll]

Mine in the twilight/daybreak.

[umbral rune]

the flashlight, which is frankly way too bright up close and causes the same issue as day

and sure I could aim for a twilight/daybreak spot on the moon, but when i find a rock worth mining is not always within my control

I wish I would always fly down to a 4500 20-30%

[umbral rune]

does harvesting more quant increase the stability?

cause I just had my timer jump back two minutes

[ivory gust]

how much quant did you have before, and how full did your hold go when it reset?

or rather, when it jumped

[umbral rune]

low amount, grabbed a second rock

so probably doubled the q

so it averages out. didn't know that

I could have stayed to mine more then, but I'm not risking a lowest-number-counts situation

[ivory gust]

like how low--I'd heard that the timer isn't supposed to start until you have a certain amount (like 4?) in your hold

[umbral rune]

like sub 8scu of mixed

probably at least 4

i decided I wasn't satisfied and tried to find another OK rock

not even gonna risk landing, calling valet this time at least

[umbral rune]

huh, I've twice now had a weird bug where the quant detonates while it's either stored or transferring

[ivory gust]

even with valet parking?

[umbral rune]

nah not this time

I wanted to test something and it was a mediocre load

I pulled it out and went to mess with ship inv

left one hadonite in the stowage and went to re-store it. When I hopped out of ship it was on orange alarm

stored it, went to refinery, no Q (I checked after the Valet situation, it had ~800)

anyway gonna still test and see if selling/refining what's in it removes the item in the stowage since it counts as a bit of inert to the mining cargo

it does not eat the stowage material regardless of if it shows on the mining laser

does anything happen if multiple gadgets are put on the same rock?

[ivory gust]

they stack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KaQSLcaEJk

[umbral rune]

oh

man I am unhappy with the current implementation of surge modules

just +40% to current charged amount

[ivory gust]

I agree, it's rather frustrating to use

[umbral rune]

but you gotta eyeball it

a little high? wasted use

[ivory gust]

I wish it were like +40% to power for however long

[umbral rune]

a little low? wasted use

and do we have any indicator of % on our bar? hell no

and since I use lancet like any sane Q miner, some rocks just aren't worth the hassle

[ivory gust]

with two surges and a stampede you can theoretically break up to like 7500 or 8k though

[umbral rune]

yep

I was on a 7.3ish rock just now

it got like 80% charged and slipped out

I had stampede goin

[ivory gust]

obvious answer is to 3d print a template that's exactly 40% for your screen size and hold it up to the screen

[umbral rune]

lol

nah but I agree

though if it were a 40% power increase for set time, it's just strictly the best passive ever, and mandatory on a lancet

with that alone you can crack anything

I'd also love for Torrent modules to get a buff to make them usable

4% for a torrent 3? are you on crack? lol

4% on a lancet is a joke

does that waveshift thing still work?

[marble crater]

Optimum can get you a bit more time if you slip out of the green while using Stampede on the larger rocks

[umbral rune]

I was using one of those as well

I panic activated it again as I slipped out but it slipped faster as it was out of the window and the charge rate was a bit slower

[marble crater]

for me I aim to just hit a bit of red with the 2nd surge then hit stampede as soon as it falls into the top of the green

[umbral rune]

I'm pretty bad with eyeballing the 40% so I should probably swap to passive modules and carry around some extra gadgets

[marble crater]

if my 2nd surge only hits say halfway into the green, it won't be enough time for the larger rocks

[umbral rune]

more economic risk though

[marble crater]

you won't crack the large rocks with passive modules

unless you stack gadgets

[umbral rune]

and gadgets

[marble crater]

luckily if I do go for the larger rocks solo I'm in a Mole so I have 3 mining lasers fitted with Surge/Stampede to have another attempt

[umbral rune]

how is a mole for getting trips home anyway?

[marble crater]

slow

[umbral rune]

figured

my main reasons for not reaching for one is that, while I could break anything with it, it's so damn slow to get home it might not be worth it

also searching would take forever

[marble crater]

I normally only use it for multicrew sessions but can be fun for the solo challenge

[umbral rune]

challenge?

[marble crater]

trying to do the big rocks solo

[umbral rune]

ah , yeah

[marble crater]

& actually being able to scoop it all up

pointless doing it in a Prospector when you're limited to 32scu

[umbral rune]

true with that cargo space

[marble crater]

better off with 5T mass & save yourself the headache

[umbral rune]

what was it, 96k, 50 mass is 1 cargo, so you could fit more than half of the largest rocks

so unless they break like shit, you can just eat all the Q rocks and go

well

apparently armistace zone is more of a suggestion? Just had my ship blown up at a station

[ivory gust]

for stations, correct

[umbral rune]

kindof absurd

[ivory gust]

agreed

[umbral rune]

I can't do anything back

there goes that inventory I guess

[marble crater]

in the future there will be no Armistice zones so will make things more consistent

[ivory gust]

once they've turned red you can fight back

[umbral rune]

that will definitely fail

[spring prism]

Only if they allow us to directly QT to Refinery Stations from any distance

[umbral rune]

there's no way in hell these devs can remove armistice zones and the game doesn't collapse

[ivory gust]

it's almost like the developers don't understand that there are people out there who just want others to suffer

[umbral rune]

winder

my prospector glitch lost it's guns

and never came back, I never bothered to buy more cause it's a prospector

also the frames dropped massively due to the combat with a station involvd

[marble crater]

I think it's silly your weapons magically can't fire when you enter an invisible perimeter

[umbral rune]

fair, remove the autodisabled weapons

instead just make the turrets indestructible

and when you start to fire, boom

destroyed

[ivory gust]

and I think it's silly that toxic players can just murder others with basically no consequences

[marble crater]

and stations should be better equipped to fight back

[spring prism]

It's meant to be a strict enforcement area of discharging weapons, rather than disallowing you to fire

[umbral rune]

honestly I've said it before and I'll say it again

this game will fail to make a heavy actual pvp influence

pvp in this game will only ever be for fun

piracy will never be in a remotely balanced state

[spring prism]

*for making others suffer

[umbral rune]

and may even kill the game if they try to force it

[spring prism]

I really don't care if I have to spend all my "Lives" when DoASM comes and have to go past camping PK Trolls. I'd rather do that and let the servers collect data on it to see how bad it is

[umbral rune]

huh, surprised the ship is still alive around the station

[marble crater]

it's pretty rough trying to play with a CS now that server have 100 players. should try it some time

[spring prism]

I'd rather not :V

[marble crater]

you get alot of attention from the Bounty Hunters

[ivory gust]

the gameplay was not ready to get bumped to 100+ imo

[umbral rune]

yeah there's just some random dude hovering outside turret range at a station lol

[spring prism]

I'm guessing that's why I see so many turrets not on the jutting out bit in front of hangars at every station I go to :V

[marble crater]

station defence in general needs a buff. you can just side strafe in a light fighter and avoid everything

[umbral rune]

huh

my guns got turned off

[spring prism]

That's already planned. They said NPCs will also fight to defend stations after a while. Stronger ones after more time.

[ivory gust]

Prison also needs to be more than just a slap on the wrist

Kill someone? Prison for ten years minimum, and even then only a possibility of parole

[spring prism]

What's even the time scale in Star citizen?

[ivory gust]

I mean ten years.

[spring prism]

There's two clocks when you open up the console and turn on info

[umbral rune]

yeah apparently a dude is just in a gladius attacking everyone at a station demanding money. Surprising this can go on for any amount of time

[spring prism]

One for real time, and one for server (lore) time

[ivory gust]

Years in lore progress 1:1 with our years

which is why we're currently in 2952 and last year was 2951

[spring prism]

Well, that will definitely curb people from killing others if they got an actual real life prison sentence

[umbral rune]

god station turrets lag hard

[marble crater]

we just need the other systems in so you have options for lawless, low sec & high sec. right now everyone is just crammed in Stanton.

Pyro will be brutal for solo players

[spring prism]

Sol is probably high security because it's the seat of UEE

Pyro is also like 2-4x bigger than Stanton

Plus its star has an environmental effect

[umbral rune]

can your guns just be disabled?

[spring prism]

If you get hit by distortion weapons, yes

[umbral rune]

I stopped being able to shoot

it never came back

[spring prism]

There's also a key I think to disable any sub-system

Also if your wings get chopped off, and they were where your guns were, they also won't be usable

[umbral rune]

the shield menu showed no ship damage at the time so not sure

but yeah they should really make station turrets indestructible

[ivory gust]

what guns? some guns overheat

[jovial matrix]

I agree with this

[umbral rune]

causes huge lag when so many turrets all pop into existence at once, all target one enemy, and all fire at the exact same time

unmodified mustang

the inability to shoot was for at least 4 minutes

[spring prism]

yeah, glitched then

[umbral rune]

sorry wrong channel i know but occurred at the tail end of a mining trip

great timing lol

[ivory gust]

did you have your power set so weapons had 0?

[spring prism]

Also, which mustang

[umbral rune]

c.o. mustang alpha

I had not modified ship power

I doubt I pressed any odd key

[spring prism]

mmk, then it was a glitch. Since the only other way besides pressing a key/power, is EM Damage

[ivory gust]

what did the guns look like? white outline but no charge, or red outline?

[umbral rune]

looked full

ready to fire

got blown up cause, turns out a mustang that cant' shoot isn't doing anything to a gladius other than trying to ram it lol

[marble crater]

there's also a relatively rare bug where you need to power cycle your weapons to get them to shoot

press P twice

[umbral rune]

the ship has gone boom

[spring prism]

The unmodified mustang has this weapon:

It has two extra empty slots though.

[umbral rune]

just claimed and spawned it in. This isn't normal

why are you hiding mustang?

do you not want to go on a suicide attack at the random troll?

[spring prism]

[umbral rune]

you know how ships do a little jump when you step close to them?

I walked toward it and it warped to the center of pad

[spring prism]

Sometimes my prospector dances

[umbral rune]

I think it also whispered in my ear "nothing personnel kid"

[marble crater]

Mustang Alpha unfortunately doesn't come with guns on all it's hardpoints stock. have to buy them and fit

[umbral rune]

huh

[ivory gust]

that really shouldn't be a thing on starter ships imo

[umbral rune]

I should do that, but with better guns

...maybe

[spring prism]

https://www.erkul.games/live/calculator

[marble crater]

yeah it's really crap to have that on starter ships especially. some people wouldn't even realise it's happening & just assume they have 2 guns

[spring prism]

I'd also recommend getting more opinions in #flight-combat-racing @umbral rune

[full mantle]

hey guys with the maneuverability of the hercs for cargo running and the size of the scus why would anyone use a caterpillar?

[umbral rune]

thanks, i realize this whole topic isn't actually channel topical

[spring prism]

Caterpillar is an actual Freight ship iirc, so when cargo refactor comes, it will likely get a tractor beam or two like most freights I believe will be getting.

C2 isn't

[marble crater]

have to wait & see in 3.18 how long it takes to load a C2 vs Cat

[ivory gust]

At this point, yeah, the only reason to use a Caterpillar overt a C2 is because you like the looks of it.

[jovial matrix]

Mm

[spring prism]

C2 is much easier to access all the component modules, once that comes out too

[full mantle]

ok tks mate

[umbral rune]

well shit

[spring prism]

From what I understand, the "Pods" of the Cat will be able to be dislodged or something, kind of like the RAFT

[umbral rune]

tell me that three days after i bought a caterpillar

[ivory gust]

Nah, not like the RAFT, but they're supposed to be modular so you can change the number and type of pods

[full mantle]

an i just googlerd SC mod cat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF5okXTl4tk

thats clever

[ivory gust]

That's also not official

[spring prism]

Probably will still be easier to load than the C2, since the pods aren't as big as the length of the C2

[full mantle]

dont know how true it is as it isnt an SC website

[marble crater]

the pilot cabin will be able to detach and fly off on it's own too which could be cool to leave the main body to be loaded up in the Cat

[ivory gust]

The Caterpillar's loading advantage should come from its tractor beam

[full mantle]

You could have a module for prospector refingin

[ivory gust]

Unlikely tbh

Why would they do that when they could just sell you a different ship

[spring prism]

Nah, there will be special refinery ships

[full mantle]

thats why i grabbed an orion

[spring prism]

Good luck soloing that

[marble crater]

the Expanse is the refining ship

[full mantle]

why do i need to solo it?

[spring prism]

And yeah, Expanse is the big boy

[ivory gust]

wat no...expanse is the same size as the prospector

[marble crater]

yeah Expanse/Propsector combo will be the go for 2 person crews

[full mantle]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships?sort=store&search=expanse&itemType=ships&storefront=pledge&type=&mass=&length=&max_crew=&msrp=&

[spring prism]

Except the prospector can't take its cargo out

[full mantle]

expanse will be slow as it is an All in ONe platform

[ivory gust]

That does match their vision of good multiplayer gameplay. Prospector dude actually mines and plays, Expanse dude sits there and waits for a refining timer

See also: ROC-DS

[little pendant]

The Expanse is still just in concept, right? No teams assigned right now?

[marble crater]

it's in .jpeg fantasy land

[spring prism]

Not even a description

Literally just a blank page: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/expanse/Expanse

[ivory gust]

"Here's pictures of a ship, gib money pls"

[full mantle]

woops sorry

[jovial matrix]

Lmao

[ivory gust]

wait it doesn't even have any pictures...holo viewer works though

[spring prism]

Nothing to be sorry about? It's CIG's fault

[full mantle]

lmao x 2

[spring prism]

The only still picture is the one on the list

https://media.robertsspaceindustries.com/wphusii1dnmxt/store_large.jpg

[cobalt rivet]

Wat dis?

[spring prism]

Not sure why they didn't even put that on its page

[jovial matrix]

Large

[ivory gust]

holo viewer of the MSR is still the old pre-release version, lol

[spring prism]

It has one weapon, and a tractorbeam

Can't equip missiles

1x Size 1 Shield

[marble crater]

I guess the Expanse could be useful in Pyro where it'll be impossible to get back to a Station with Refinery

[spring prism]

Not sure there even were refineries on the ARK Map. Though all of that isn't completely up to date anyway so...

[umbral rune]

goddamnit, i gotta make a trip back down to a planet just to buy a heavy torso armor so i can carry big backpack

why do refineries only sell medium and pembroke

and galleria also

[cobalt rivet]

Why you need pack pack

[umbral rune]

I'm a bit dumb you see

[spring prism]

You only need the rucksack core torso frame, which can equip the backpack.

[umbral rune]

while I am looking for quant, curiosity gets the better of me and I look at small nodes for hadonite

[spring prism]

That's why I mine in space

[umbral rune]

uh

ean

that armor only works with light backpacks

[spring prism]

The rucksack is al ight backpack? it looks so big

[umbral rune]

yes

but pembroke is a heavy

it holds 100 hand-grabbed crystals

[spring prism]

Can the pembroke mount guns?

[marble crater]

yep

2 primary weapons

used to use it for Bunkers

[umbral rune]

that's actually not how it works

guns are mounted to armor not backpack

just the visuals can attach them after the backpack on the side

[marble crater]

it attaches to the backpack

[umbral rune]

as long as you have medium or heavy torso, you can mount two guns on your back

visually

[marble crater]

with no backpack, it attaches to the armour

[cobalt rivet]

Backpack has its own mounts

[umbral rune]

let me rephrase that

having the backpack in no way alters the amount of gun slots

[cobalt rivet]

Yes it does

[umbral rune]

how

[full mantle]

yea it does - anoyed the shit out of me during the event

[cobalt rivet]

Light armor has 1 mount, light backpack has two

[umbral rune]

light backpack has two?

[cobalt rivet]

Ye

[umbral rune]

fair enough

[marble crater]

yep

[spring prism]

I've never been able to attach two SMGs to a rucksack at once

[cobalt rivet]

I believe with heavy set you can mount up to 3

If you went full heavy

[marble crater]

they nerfed heavy backpacks to only hold 2 now. used to be 3

[full mantle]

i could only equip 2 and carry 1

[cobalt rivet]

Oh

[umbral rune]

testing right now, light armor has one slot, as we know..
and yes, the rucksack does allow for an extra gun

[full mantle]

plus a small hip gun

and a utility unit

and a knife

Ammo slots canm hold ammo (wow ikr) and healing refills

[umbral rune]

does anyone here try mining using passives and gadgets?

like multiple gadgets

[marble crater]

until there's rocks that can't be mined with active modules I see no point in using the gadgets

[umbral rune]

eh, I have bad luck with the actives

and while surge is the only real reason people can break any rock, it's in a shit spot right now

as is, it is just an annoyance to try to use

[marble crater]

wait till you try gadgets then

[umbral rune]

I have

they seemingly have very little impact with just one

but with a gadget I can't just slip out of the green zone and have wasted an entire charge of it

[marble crater]

spent the time to land my ship, get out (making myself the easiest target ever), place it, get back in, break the rock only to have the gadget disappear lmao

[umbral rune]

"target" so?

nobody there to shoot you

[marble crater]

there is on Lyria

[umbral rune]

I mine exclusively on lyria

no there isn't

gadget disappearing is based on overcharge

[marble crater]

I have had many encounters over the year I've been playing

[umbral rune]

just don't overcharge

I have never had that happen

if someone is nearby you will know it before you ever exit your seat

and if you don't, they won't be able to see your human body, only the ship

it's hard af to see people without being close

[marble crater]

so if it hasn't happened to you it must mean it's impossible for anyone else

good logic

[umbral rune]

no

more like it's such a rare occurrence that point isn't valid

and in any situation that occurs, you'd be at about the same risk in your ship

prospector don't win fights against much

[marble crater]

easier to run when you're in the ship rather than on foot

[umbral rune]

yeah

[ivory gust]

Absolutely untrue. The one time I tried gadgets, I didn't overcharge at all and they disappeared.

[umbral rune]

at the very least that's what I was told

and the video you posted earlier with the roc vs rock said that

I figured if anyone knows how the gadget destruction works, it's the dudes that used over 60 of them at a time

[ivory gust]

I mean, maybe they're supposed to only disappear when it overcharges, but this is star citizen and there are bugs

[vestal vector]

Please let me know if this is stupid (I am new-ish to the PU):

I plan on mining a lot with my prospector and refine everything.. i plan on just doing refining jobs until i get to about 300~ SCU of refined ore.

Is it then silly to use my starfarer (296 cargo space) to transport it? I have a Hull B but its not in the PU yet and so they have given me a Hull A as a loaner which is my next biggest cargo ship (64 cargo) after the 'farer.

I guess I am worried if the farer is overkill and it will cost a lot of fuel etc.

she a big girl to pilot but i wouldnt mind using it

[ivory gust]

I don't see any reason why that wouldn't work

Have also apparently had a mining gadget disappear from my inventory without ever actually using it, so that's neat

[vast gulch]

Fuel efficiency is a non-problem right now

as long as your ship can sufficiently carry all of your stuff, you should be fine. Only consideration to prospector mining is that the smaller your transport ship is, the longer you'd have to spend hauling it to cities. That could lower your margin per hour considerably

[ivory gust]

Lyria apparently has ghost rocks now too?

[wary maple]

yes, I've met a few now, nowhere near as bad as the Belt in my experience though

[ivory gust]

Find cluster, they're not real rocks, I get out of seat and back in, and suddenly there's no scan results at all in range

Keep scanning further on, find more results, they're all ghosts. Ugh

[polar dock]

ive watched so many videos and tried so many things, but each time i try to mine a rock it explodes taking my ship with it. Is there something im missing?

[vestal vector]

thx mate appreciate it

[ivory gust]

Also make sure you don't hit an extractable (purple outline) chunk with the mining laser, only the extraction laser. Hitting it with the mining laser is a good way to make it go boom

Also note that the smaller chunks after the first fracture will take much less power than the original larger chunk

[umbral rune]

what is your mining setup?

also as for the ghost rocks, I've found remaining in the vicinity for about a minute or so TENDS to turn them into real rocks, I've tried this a few times recently to frequent success. No promises on it working all the time though

[polar dock]

impact 1 head with focus and brandt

[umbral rune]

ah

ok so the issue with that is that the impact's instability is absurd

[ivory gust]

Will try that next time. Like I said, after this happened I had no scanner pings showing up anywhere in the area

[umbral rune]

which is why you use the brandt

right yeah

[ivory gust]

Are you mining Quant?

[polar dock]

yeah ive figured that trick, but then when the brandt kicks in the power level plummets

yeah quant

[umbral rune]

for quant the current meta is lancet

I think only one youtuber is religiously impact

[ivory gust]

Definitely switch to a Lancet for Quant

[umbral rune]

I've tried both and swore off impact

the power is nice but that instability is awful

it would REQUIRE constant use of a module or gadget to function

and it gets worse on chunks

I would advise first swapping the head for a lancet like Chris said, lancet mh1, and after that for modules try surge+stampede if you want actives, and for passives probably whatever floats your boat except torrent

I've found a comfort zone in dropping one or two vaux c3s to remove what little instability remains after lancet smacks it down, but also have stopped that and did not notice a real difference

passive AND active modules are lost on ship destruction or reclaim in general, so keep that in mind

[polar dock]

yeah ive dealt with that plenty

[strange cove]

i currently cant claim any ship, i dont suppose any one is looking for a mining crew mate

[polar dock]

well thanks ill definitely use these tips. Is there any passive you would reccomend?

[umbral rune]

uhh.. while most of it is whatever you want, except torrent or the extraction speed ones, I would say Focus 3 and Vaux 3 are worth considering the most

I am also relatively new though so my word is not gospel

[ivory gust]

Honestly I wouldn't use passives at this time. Too many bugs causing ships to get lost randomly and the passives are too expensive

[wary maple]

Reiger's make the green zone bigger, Focus's lower resistance which helps with the low power of the Lancet

[ivory gust]

Lancet can mine anything up to ~5200 mass without modules, surge/stampede gets you higher than that

[strange cove]

you can mine up to 7k if your fine with waiting and being 1.5 m away

[umbral rune]

yeah, even though I have a bit of a dislike of how the best in slot active for lancet is a bit awkward to use, i still have my default setup as:
Surge
Stampede
Optimum

with what geo?

[vestal vector]

mmm bought a lancet mining head but not appearing under utility in vehicle loadout

[versed plinth]

What's the use for a stampede module?

[umbral rune]

where did the lancet head go to?

[wary maple]

you bought the Lancet MH1 not the MH2?

[ivory gust]

Lancet MH2 or MH1?

[vestal vector]

mh1

[ivory gust]

Finishes optimal range faster

[umbral rune]

the stampede increases the speed that the green zone charges up, it's for quickly cracking the rock while the meter is in the green after a surge is hit

[vestal vector]

if i go to refinery shop to sell, it appears

[umbral rune]

mh1 is the one you want for prospector

[ivory gust]

What inventory is it in? Move it to your local station inventory

[strange cove]

so does any one know about this claiming bug thats happening

[umbral rune]

might have to narrow that down

which one?

[vestal vector]

thats the thing i dunno aha

[strange cove]

i cant claim any of my ships and im stranded

[ivory gust]

Press I to open your inventory and find it...

[umbral rune]

I assume you've reset the terminal

[polar dock]

alright one last thing, at what % of quant is too low and i should just move on?

[umbral rune]

short answer: depends on the mass, but usually 15%+

[vestal vector]

it's all empty

i may have sent it to my prospect under destination..

[ivory gust]

Depends on mass. Use a calculator like https://sc-mining.app/ to determine what the yield will be

[umbral rune]

ah

ok

dcol

[ivory gust]

Retrieve Prospector, go stand in Prospector, move it to station local, then store Prospector and try again

[umbral rune]

you need to mone it to the station's inventory

[vestal vector]

does that mean it is in the cargo or ship inventory?

[umbral rune]

it is in your ship's inventory yes

[vestal vector]

okay thats where i stuffed up

thanks guys

[umbral rune]

to adjust loadout it needs to be in station inventory, and your ship needs to be stored

[vestal vector]

the destination should just be the local station

[umbral rune]

yes

[vestal vector]

thanks 🙂

[umbral rune]

so you will prob have to spawn your ship, go stand in it, move it to local, then store it

then you're good

[ivory gust]

For example, a 3000 mass rock with 15% isn't worth it, but an 8000 mass rock with 15% is

(assuming you're set up to break it)

[vestal vector]

easy enough i will do it now cheers

[umbral rune]

ye

[vestal vector]

thank you as well mate

[polar dock]

will 2 reigers and a focus make me stand a good chance at not exploding?

[umbral rune]

with a lancet?

[polar dock]

yeah

[umbral rune]

with a lancet, you pretty much gotta try to explode

impact is +10% instability, lancet is -75%

[polar dock]

jeez

[umbral rune]

this will feel like the difference of a stormy ocean and a calm pond with a slight breeze

[ivory gust]

Just be very gentle on the laser power when going to the secondary chunks

[umbral rune]

you'll figure out the groove for em

[polar dock]

lyrias still the go to? I dont want to deal with all the rocks not existing crap

[umbral rune]

I haven't touched the ring stuff, I should soon

but yes lyria still good

[ivory gust]

Lyria still sometimes has rocks not existing :(

[polar dock]

im seeing plenty of rocks just none that are quantanium

[ivory gust]

If you see it though, head to space and bedlog to switch servers

On Lyria, ping 360 or 180 to see the locations, then reduce angle to 2 degrees and ping directly at the results.

Any cluster (more than one white diamond) will be quant

[polar dock]

yeah thats what im doing just never more then 1 diamond

[ivory gust]

Takes a while sometimes

[mellow nova]

Hey, so, I'm not quite getting the trade system at the moment--I know laranite and agricium are the most valuable, but I can only buy a tiny bit at a time anywhere. Am I missing something?

[ivory gust]

Nope, that's how it works. Fill the rest of your hold with titanium or sit around and wait for more to become available

[polar dock]

jeez as i said that i manage to find a single quantanium rock

[mellow nova]

Ah, alright, thanks

[mild pumice]

Trying to understand better how player interdiction works, does the interdicting player need to be on the same A-B channel as the target? Foe example instead of going directly from point A-B would moving away from A and then cutting back in a V route reduce the chances of being interdictied, on the way to a Lagrange point for example?

[lime nova]

Is astatine trading still the same as it was in 3.17.1?

[mild pumice]

Sorry if that makes zero sense! 🤣

[lime nova]

Might wanna ask in #flight-combat-racing

[mild pumice]

Can do it was specifically to avoid being interdicted whilst trading or mining

With the increased pop I can see it being more regular

[lime nova]

I assume the same principals apply.

Interdicting mining ships doesn't make much sense at the moment as you can't make money with it

It's just if you wanna do some PVP

[mellow nova]

Okay I can't for the life of me see how agricium or laranite could be more profitable than titanium

bc you can't sell it at the same places and waiting around for ages to build it up would be stupid when you could just do several more titanium runs and get 400k or whatever

[lime nova]

It has a higher per unit price, availability is just shite

If they had the same availability, laranite and agricium would be a lot more profitable

[mellow nova]

Yeah I get that in theory

but does anyone actually run those?

[lime nova]

Only if they're very lucky.

so in reality, no.

[polar dock]

made my first successful quant run, thanks guys

[lime nova]

what ship do you have, @mellow nova?

[mellow nova]

Caterpillar

[lime nova]

Do astatine trading, pays well in the cat

buy at shubin mining facility SMO-22 on microtech and sell at the NB TDD

[vestal vector]

so i might have done the wrong thing which is fine, no big deal im having fun regardless, but i thought you couldnt refine different minerals at once? did they change it recently?

[lime nova]

you definitely can

[vestal vector]

first time mining quantanium, was in a rush so mined the first rock with a decent amount of quantanium and then was panicking on the way home

[vestal vector]

okay i must have misunderstood what they meant in the videos

[lime nova]

That's alright. Everyone makes a mistake at least once.

[toxic citrus]

You can, but you cannot have all of them refined

You must choose what you want to refine from a single load, the rest go to waste

So usually if theres even a slight amount of extra value for any, you should usually refine them along with quantainium

[vestal vector]

Right so say i have a full prospector load 49% quantanium, 49% granite and 2% diamond.. i can refine all 3 fine if given the option?
After they are refined i send them all a cargo ship and sell?

Like in the picture above

[toxic citrus]

Yes.

But

They cannot be refined separately

So keep that in mind

If you leave any out of the process, poof

[vestal vector]

Okay cool.. just include them all

[toxic citrus]

Usually, yeah

[vestal vector]

Thx for clarification

[jagged storm]

honestly if you're in the halo belt or on Lryia, once you've picked up all the qaunt, you'll have plenty of time you'll make it back with like 6-8 minutes left on the clock

The annoying thing is when you go back into the prospector the critical cargo sound is blaring for no reason so you have to enter mining mode and jettison an empty cargo hold to stop it

[vestal vector]

Ah thx for that tip

[vestal vector]

I mined on Lyria and stored the ship at arc l1 in 10ish minutes

Have a Lancet now, is going:
2 x focus III
1 x Rieger III

An ok idea? If i was not wanting active and only passive modules

I realise they kind of cancel each other out slightly but it ends up in positive still

[gentle brook]

try surge stampede and optimum instead. this allows you to crack bigger rocks safely. also brandt is worth noting

[fervent sedge]

I can’t find that on any website

[spring prism]

Just so you know, having two of the same passive module doesn't show it visually on the mining head, nor will it show up as having two of it on the HUD when in mining mode.

[hollow sedge]

Anyone ever run the Mole solo? How is it?

[spring prism]

Lots of running around to get back up to the pilot seat to slightly move the ship then back down to the mining laser

Size 2 lasers thankfully can be at slightly larger distance though. They have the same stats as their Size 1 versions otherwise.
Also, it eats Hydrogen Fuel like crazy. So only mine in space.

[strange cove]

im looking for a mining crew to join today, i just got back into the game and already my prospector bugged XD, sadly it bugged with 32 scu of quantanium in it

[hollow sedge]

Wym only in space? Don't you mine on moons?

[spring prism]

The Mole was meant for space

The Hydrogen Fuel Capacity is low in comparison to how much it burns through it when even making minor adjustments

Lots of people have complained about it on the forums because they try to go to Lyria with it

[strange cove]

how good is the ground miner compared to the prospector, and how much can you mine with it per trip?

[hollow sedge]

Is it more profitable if you have 2+ ppl? Or would 2 prospectors be more profitable than a mole manned by 2 ppl?

[spring prism]

Ground miners can't mine minerals, only gems.

[strange cove]

oh ok

[worthy scroll]

It does show on the UI.

[strange cove]

orion is a joke when was the idea first posted to be made

[spring prism]

I must've had a glitch, because I had three FLTR-XLs, and only one showed

[hollow sedge]

Is it possible to run a prospector with 2 ppl?

[strange cove]

7 years ago the orion was revealed

7 years and it STILL doesnt exist

[worthy scroll]

One can stand behind the pilot and be a cheerleader.

[strange cove]

i mean if your mining on a planet the second person can hop out and mine gems

[spring prism]

The prospector is one person only. Whoever your buddy is would be your gadget deployer basically

[hollow sedge]

Lmao the most important job in the game

[hollow sedge]

Thx. Just trying to figure out how to maximize profitability with my buddy

[cyan mountain]

theres a shitter too

[spring prism]

If you're doing proper mining searches, you'll never have gems nearby. Since they appear within a certain range, while ores tend to appear outside a certain range

[strange cove]

i dont know that XD

i started mining in the belt after being blown away on planets by the intense wind

before my prospector slipped into the transdiminsional void with 32 scu of quantanium

[spring prism]

That's why you can impound instead of landing

[worthy scroll]

Fighting those storms is kinda fun though. Makes my mining setup a lot more fun to use.

[cyan mountain]

oh god

as soon as i got into a server

30k

bad start for the day

very bad

[strange cove]

it didnt blow up though it just wouldnt stow now i cant claim it either

[spring prism]

Chris Roberts: Nope.avi

[strange cove]

i even went back to the hanger to check if it had exploded while i went into the elevator and it was fine

[worthy scroll]

Once upon a time you'd have to go through several 30ks before you ever got into your ship.

Good times. Good times.

[spring prism]

It's a general rule of thumb that impounding is always better if you have quant.

[strange cove]

what do you mean impounding ?

is that not stowing it?

[spring prism]

Hover in front of a closed hangar door without calling ATC

After about a minute, you'll get kicked to the station and your ship will be shoved into the station

[strange cove]

oh thats good to know

[spring prism]

You'll need to pay a feee to get it out, but it's the same as storing

[strange cove]

a bit too late though as i cant access my ship at all

i mean a small fee is nothing a full load of quantanium is what 280k credits?

[spring prism]

As long as you don't have to rent a cargo hauler? Yeah.

[strange cove]

i mean i dont have one but with the 1 mil they gave everyone i am close to being able to buy one

i just got stopped since i cant access my prospector

[spring prism]

You'll have to report a bug and not get it confirmed because no one has your bug

[cyan mountain]

rent an andromeda

then get a freelancer max

[spring prism]

Don't, lol

[cyan mountain]

you will be good to go

[spring prism]

Cutlass Black can be rented at the refinery

[strange cove]

i did report it

[cyan mountain]

sorry i hate the cutlass

[strange cove]

i also hate the cutlass

[spring prism]

The Andromeda costs 70k to rent a day :V

[cyan mountain]

but its cool

and has 96 scu

[spring prism]

[cyan mountain]

double the storage for double the price

[strange cove]

has any progress on orion been made in the last 7 years?

[cyan mountain]

the nomad is my baby

[strange cove]

lets see if i can pull out my prospector now since i dont know any mining groups i can join

[ember ingot]

what does the multi tool cutter attachment do?

[strange cove]

lets you mine gems

with the multitool

you get a backpack and go to a cave you can grab some gems

[wary maple]

have them Scout for you so the Prospector has less time in-between rocks

[hollow sedge]

Yeah I thought about that. May be the move

Scout/Defend

Could they scan rocks and get the composition from a "normal" ship? I haven't figured out how to do it without sitting at the laser yourself

[wary maple]

good question, I've never been the scout as I own the miner and I've got the seat just how I like it 🙂 If it's anything like scouting when ROC mining you can get close in any ship and go into scanning mode by pressing V

[ember ingot]

I thought the mining attachment was for gems. there's an attachment i hadn't seen before called cutter

[strange cove]

cutter may be for salvaging? idk

i havent played in a while

[north oyster]

there will be lots of new stuff in the store kiosk. That's why the search is really handy

[fallen atlas]

Search feature is goated

[north oyster]

works for me, mileage may vary

[cerulean tree]

doesnt do anything, oxycutter

[cyan mountain]

30k but i stored everything in my ship

that makes it way less painful

[cerulean tree]

30ks are great ctds suck

[cyan mountain]

and why the hell is it showing claim

god please no

i had 200k worth of gems in it

[cerulean tree]

oh no

[north oyster]

Wait

[strange cove]

If any mining groups want another body let me know

[north oyster]

Wait a bit, sometimes up to 10 minutes

[cyan mountain]

i havent claimed it

im doing bounties now

[north oyster]

that's if the heartbeat did grab the snapshot

[cyan mountain]

i was on my roc when the 30k dropped

[north oyster]

oops, that won't work

[cyan mountain]

that makes absolutely 0 sense

[worthy fog]

where i can find the good routes for make trading

[north oyster]

what ship do you have?

[worthy fog]

c2

[north oyster]

And I assume enough starting funds. Ok, you can make ok coin with trade but trade overall isn't in a good place in the game.

If you do a scrap run from TDD in Area18 to ARC-L1, that's about 28K aUEC profit without a ton of cash upfront

You can look at doing Titanium from Bezdek to Lorville CBD. Pick up what little laranite might be there first, then backfill with Titanium

You can use SC Trade Tools as a guide. But these tools will not show current pricing (nothing does), so just use it as a guide

https://sc-trade.tools/home

Gold is also a good commodity to consider. Over in ArcCrop on lyria is either Humbolt or Lovecraft that offer supplies to buy and sell at the Area18 TDD. These are short runs with good margin

LOL, sorry, Loveridge

You make lovecraft on loveridge

[spring prism]

The reason why they said that, is because the ground vehicles don't have cargo protection for 30ks right now.

[north oyster]

I made that request in the vehicle question for developers, but it got only one upvote, LOL

[spring prism]

Hopefully by the time the Cargo Refactor comes, we won't get as many 30ks. If we do, they might as well give cargo protection to ground vehicles

[west tide]

whats the biggest cargo ship you can rent?

[spring prism]

It's not a cargo ship, but the Constellation Andromeda has 96 SCU.

Freelancer can be rented, has 66 SCU

And the Cutlass Black can be rented with 46 SCU

Pretty much your options. Since the Freelancer MAX cannot be rented, otherwise you'd take it.

[west tide]

thanks

[vestal ravine]

I suppose the Roc miners can transfer the gems to their backpack every 2 stones or so. That's why amongst other things it takes me 3 plus hours to mine.

[spring prism]

Better have a Large size backpack for that then

[elfin granite]

whats the best place on Aberdeen to find hadanite ?

[worthy scroll]

On the Aberdeen part.

The items to mine are only localized to bodies, not specific places on those bodies.

[elfin granite]

was just asking, maybe some places like Anderson or Norgaard would have more hadanite then others..

😄

but thanks

[ivory gust]

Er... What? You sell the laranite and the titanium at the same place, the TDD terminal of a city

[ivory gust]

What exactly are you looking for that you can't find? Those commodities are on !tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[ivory gust]

Don't land when you get back to refinery, just get impounded to avoid that bug

[strange cove]

Ya I was told of that earlier but thank you

Right now I'm waiting for support to get back to me to fix my shit

[ivory gust]

I disagree. Especially solo, the MOLE cannot effectively scan in space, and its larger hold is perfect for mining clusters on Lyria

[spring prism]

Good thing size 2 lasers give you extra distance to mine from, or else that wouldn't be possible Unless you like staring directly down at the rock

[ivory gust]

If you have several loads to haul, a Cutlass will be very frustrating since you'll only be able to haul one at a time. An Andromeda can take three at a time

[onyx crow]

!tradetools will tell you the income/min that each place gets and the max hold that each place has for each commodity. There is currently no way to track the current stock on hold without flying there in person

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[ivory gust]

Did you ever get your ship?

With the gems, I mean

[rugged axle]

You should try having a copilot in the mining turret on a mole doing your scanning for you. Wanna talk about needing communication lol.

We've made it work, but holy jesus

[jaunty pier]

best ROC mining location?

[real ingot]

aberdeen i believe although the temperature is a bit of a bitch

[jaunty pier]

thx, yeah that's a hot place

[fallen atlas]

@north oyster are you around to help someone with selling some refined ore?

@somber breach is having trouble with some completed orders. Delivers them to cutty, but then when they get to TDD/Lorville there's "nothing" in there?

Or if anyone else who's more familiar with the process is around.

Not quite my cup of tea. I'm a combat guy 😭

[ivory gust]

Did he deliver them to the right Cutlass? Previously rented ships stuck around as valid targets

[fallen atlas]

oh good question. Not sure. @somber breach is there more than one cutlass listed in your delivery?

[somber breach]

omg is there really two cutty

is there any way to see my current ship cargo contents:

:

[fallen atlas]

uh oh...

[somber breach]

the two cutty are full now with different cargo

[ivory gust]

Left side of TDD screenshots above shows that cutlass is mostly empty

[somber breach]

i think Chris nailed it

[fallen atlas]

Sweet. Well if they're both showing cargo, then the one you can actually pull should have stuff in it now

[ivory gust]

I recommend filling expired rental ships with scrap from the admin console in the galleria to prevent delivering refinery jobs to them in future

[somber breach]

yeah, but how i can't know which one i can use? to avoid this trouble?

[fallen atlas]

I know you're kinda out of aUEC, but I'd suggest buying something permanent if that issue is persisting at the moment

[somber breach]

nice tip chris, thx.... I will now work towards a catterpillar dbozee but im a bit far from it yet heh

i will try to full my ented ships after rent period ends and before rent a new one

[strange cove]

I'm still available to be part of a mining crew if any one is looking for people as my shit is fucked

[somber breach]

dBozee and Chris thanks a lot for the help and fly safe!

[strange cove]

so how many more years for orion?

been like 7 after looking it up online

[vestal ravine]

If these duplicate rental ship load up problems persist you could fly one to a different planet.

[somber breach]

ican't access the old buged ones, the rental expired

[vestal ravine]

Ean: The Pembroke, Molokov and that cold weather suit backpack all can hold a LOT of gems. I wear one and store one in the ship's inventory as problems can happen with the ROC or even the ship.

[spring prism]

Molokov is the actual heavy armor for combat?

[mild pumice]

Lol I loved the Pembroke for collecting presents 🎁 😄

[spring prism]

Probably can only release it after Cargo Refactor

Right now it's... err, rumored, I guess? That Cargo Refactor (3.18) should be sooner than soon. IE: Less than another year.

[strange cove]

i hope so because that is a long ago promise they made XD

[spring prism]

I said after Cargo refactor

That could still be another 7 years since that would still be after the Refactor

[strange cove]

just trying to find something to do until my ticket to fix my prospector is responded to

honestly at this rate i wouldnt be surprised if the developers died before the game reached the point that im hoping it to

[spring prism]

I mean, switching to Beta when we get proper AI, Schedules, Cargo, Phys. Storage, and everything would be a big step.

But I don't see beta happening until we get Pyro and can use a jump gate. Since Jump Gates are still a big mechanics we don't have.

[strange cove]

if we get the the point where 99% of the bugs are removed it would be a miracle

[vestal ravine]

Yes and it has pretty good cold weather protections also. The suit can be bought locally so I bought like 40 of them for Seige and everyday use.

[spring prism]

40 armor sets? What did you do with them? Shove them into the non-functional armor lockers?

[vestal ravine]

No just stored planet-side.

[strange cove]

i stopped buying armor too easy to lose it

[ivory gust]

Have you tried a character reset?

[strange cove]

i have 800k and it says if i reset ill have 5k

[ivory gust]

It's lying. !reset

[wary tusk]

Character Reset

• [FAQ](#📚┃help-faq message) • Perform a Reset (temporarily disabled) •
• Wait at least AN HOUR after reset. The official info on the reset page is OUTDATED.
• *TL;DR by design, you won't lose money, gear, ships, and reputation earned in-game.

*There's still a small risk of losing some items/money after reset. The game is still in Alpha after all.

[ivory gust]

The only thing you lose is consumables (ammo, medpens, etc). You need to re-customize your character, and everything you own gets moved to your newly chosen home location. Ships are reset to their default loadouts, but you get any upgraded modules in your local inventory so you can just re-apply them.

You keep ships, vehicles, money, and all items other than consumables.

Just make sure you wait 1-2 hours after the reset before logging in

[umbral rune]

this

this is what pisses me off

[strange cove]

whast wrong with it

no risk no reward seems straight foward

[umbral rune]

it's underground entirely

that's a problem

[strange cove]

oh i see

well

my prospectors imploded with 32 scu of quantanium because i didnt know i had to get it impounded instead of landing and stowing it properly

[ivory gust]

Hover right in front of a hangar without calling ATC.

Not all hangars do it, so if you're kissing the hangar door and you don't have an impound timer, go try a different door

[oak fiber]

oof

[strange cove]

its too late now XD

[oak fiber]

How late tho

[ivory gust]

Yeah, for all its problems, that's one thing you don't have to worry about in the belt

[strange cove]

i dont understand why landing and stowing my ship breaks it so i cant claim and and it counts as destroyed when i see its not

[ivory gust]

The quantanium in the hold messes with the station's scanning and storage processes

[strange cove]

multimillion dollar game in the making for almost a decade >.<

[ivory gust]

It's an alpha

[strange cove]

so is 7 days to die and they have less funding and fewer bugs XD

[ivory gust]

They're not fixing bugs since they're planning on re-writing all the code anyway

[umbral rune]

they need to prioritize a bit better

[strange cove]

i just hope i see this game go into beta before i go into cardiac arrest

[umbral rune]

goodbye 100 mass pure quant

[strange cove]

the rock i mined was 2500 mass of quant

or something like that

[umbral rune]

it had A PIXEL peaking out i fished for to crack then another pixel i fished for to collect

that was just a piece of a piece that was just underground

[strange cove]

next personal item, shovel

[umbral rune]

actually please