industrial-professions

[ivory gust]

It's an amazing ship and it's entirely possible my wallet is not safe the next time it's on sale.

Unfortunately there's not really much use for it at this time

[obtuse granite]

That (manning large ships and having a long-term usage for them) is one problem. A trend in MMORPGs is away from long-term engagements, peeps want 15-45 mins immersion and that's it.

[ivory gust]

meanwhile in Star Citizen: "Yep, it's totally okay to take 45minutes to get your ship ready to go for the day or to get back to the event location"

[worthy scroll]

If you keep chasing that logic back, there's no point in grinding for anything, thus no point in playing until the next wipe. And then no point in playing after that until the final wipe before release! 😆

[ivory gust]

Fundamentally as long as you're doing what you're doing for fun right now, there's no wrong answers...but if you (for example) find mining tedious and only do it for money, spending dozens of hours mining to get an 890J isn't a good idea this patch since you won't have long to use it

[worthy scroll]

I say if someone wants to set a goal and work for it, have at it. Wipe or not. Some people play by goals like that.

[ivory gust]

Fair enough, but I've also noted that some people (less so here in the discord, more so in game) aren't aware there's another wipe happening so soon. I make a point of warning everyone when I see big goals like that mentioned

[worthy scroll]

I'd be really surprised if 3.18 happens this year. I'd love if it did, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[ivory gust]

My fear is that they'll push it out for November and IAE regardless of whether it's really ready or not

[obtuse granite]

yeah, 4-5 months is an eternity, what comes to gaming. One can choose the time budget (hours per week) and the intensity (e.g. aUEC / h) independently. Myh choice is some 10 h / week and modest 3 kaUEC / h... akind of a MMORPG holiday.

[worthy scroll]

They really only have three months to get it out if they do want it out this year. Remember that they take December off, so that's a month off the year gone. And I don't think they'll want to release such a big patch right before a month long holiday, we'd very likely have another debacle from a couple years ago (patch that made the game basically unplayable that came out right before they all went home for a month).

[jagged whale]

Quick question since y'all are here, does the MSR have a loaner?

Bought a MOLE, would rather use a prospector just for the sake of speed, and want to downgrade to a largish ship

[worthy scroll]

The MSR does not come with a loaner.

You can use either of these sites to see loaners.

https://starcitizen.tools/List_of_pledge_vehicles

https://support.robertsspaceindustries.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003093114-Loaner-Ship-Matrix

[jagged whale]

Oh cool, thank god

I hate loaners

[marble crater]

Kinda surprised the MSR doesn't come with an Arrow loaner

[ivory gust]

Me too, I'd expect the arrow

[delicate girder]

Is hauling good right now?

[viral heath]

Wonder is astatine still is gud

Astatine and titanium still have 10% profit on a full c2 load

Titanium you mix and match with larantite

[cerulean lichen]

Well started doing titanium running again. Slow but solid 100k per run

[edgy furnace]

Titanium has closer to 20%

I'm pretty sure

But yeah, start Lorville, fly to either Bezdek or Lathan, buy as much Laranite as available, fill rest of cargo with Titanium, fly back to Lorville, sell

Bout 100k profit, takes 20m depending on trains etc (in a C2)

All in all, approx 300k aUEC/h

[delicate girder]

Does a ROC-DS have more cargo capacity than a ROC? On Erkul it shows the same and yet the text says it has more.

[delicate girder]

Will the DS fit in a Connie? I looks like it would be nice from the standpoint that the driver is out of the elements. Bet it's a pain in the but to use single.

[river cove]

so how is trading this days?

[zenith maple]

yes, it has more. But its bigger in size, so wont fit in as many ships, and you would either need a 2. person to operate laser or keep jumping in/out yourself.

why I opted for the non DS myself for now

[ivory gust]

The ROC DS is garbage. Even if you have two people, you're better off with two normal ROCs than a ROC DS

[delicate girder]

Yeah, thought so.

Will two ROCs fit in a Connie Andro?

I know they will in a Taurus.

[brittle rose]

could an experienced space miner tell me what 'band 5' is?

in space

belt 5, whatever

[marble crater]

this site show all the band locations and where to drop out of QT
https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[ivory gust]

Barely. It's an extremely tight fit and may be prone to spontaneous disassembly

Taurus can easily carry 2 safely, as can the Cutlass (a bit tight but if the first person backs in and the second person drives in straight you're fine), Freelancer MAX, MSR, Valkyrie, Carrack, and a few others.

[gentle mortar]

Is there a limit to how many completed work orders we can keep uncollected at the refinery?

[brittle rose]

thank you! @marble crater

[jagged saddle]

Having no luck in the belt from mic l1. Unscannables..... much better dirtside for me... How's everyone else finding it?

[spring prism]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-478
https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-4550
https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-6369
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/ship-falsely-impounded-turning-quantanium-into-ine/5277440
Also happens for the ROC sometimes in a different way: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/scanning-rocks-for-material

Also wondering, where are the best places to mine Laranite (or whatever the other non-volatile metals are) right now? I'm not really wanting to do Quantanium Mining. I'm not a very fast person when it comes to steering/landing, so I'll end up blowing up my ship when transporting it due to the volatility timer running out.

[jagged saddle]

Not sure..... I ain't too fussed about quant either... mining is where I crack a beer, shove on a podcast and switch off my head for a bit.

[spring prism]

Well, I posted a topic about it, and got a couple answers already: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/best-places-to-mine-non-volatile-minerals-metal/329003

[marble saffron]

ok dont tell me quant spawning isnt broken...not a single rock from this patch has more than 10% of quant

[north oyster]

some 40% were found a few days ago, but it seems that there are some challenges with the spawn, percentages and a few other glaring issues. The asteroid field is totally hosed when SoO is running. Duds are the vast majority of scans

[royal cairn]

I’ve found plenty of >30%

Even found the biggest I’ve ever seen - 8k ~43% 2 days ago.

[glacial dagger]

Proof or it didnt happen...

[north oyster]

I chimed in with some ideas on that thread. I hope that is helpful

[north oyster]

I don't blame you for not believing in light of how pathetic this patch has been for miners, but I would say that it can and does happen. It is VERY server dependent.

[royal cairn]

I think I have a pic of the size and % but I’m not at home 😭

[north oyster]

Don't worry, someone asking for that just means they've not played the game enough to know how random it can be and that you can find ore like that.

It's called prospecting for a reason

[worthy scroll]

Heck the first rock I scanned in probably a year was over 44%.

And I wasn't even mining, found it in the race track.

[glacial dagger]

Just to clarify, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, jsut that I dont think Tarian found one. I would be more than happy to be proven wrong though 😄

[royal cairn]

Lol why would I lie

[marble saffron]

dammit dont flex scorp like that, you are making me jealous

[glacial dagger]

Ehh, cloout hunting

[royal cairn]

My mole owner dcd so I joined this discord to find a miner and gave the rock to goblinarchitect

[glacial dagger]

Had a couple of people in an old org of mine that said they had found 4x >40% quant rocks

About 7 of use logged in together, quantumed to the guys

Obviously it was a trap and we all got decimated

[worthy scroll]

Ha. When I found that one I put it in chat what and where it was and then I booked the heck out of there.

[north oyster]

that's when you put them on a blacklist. Seems we will probably see a lot of stuff like this

[glacial dagger]

I have been meaning to do some freelance scounting for quant but no-one seams to like my prices, despite the fact that the're what I pay my own scouts as well

[north oyster]

just remember, When it's too good to be true, it probably isn't true

[spring prism]

Probably going to have to go to Aberdeen then. For the Bexalite. I can always mine Gneiss deposits, as they will have Taranite/Agricium. So it won't matter much if I don't get too many Obsidians.

[north oyster]

Agreed, the best spots are ones with a good diverse selection of valuable ore so you don't have to hunt for specific rocks

[spring prism]

Hmm, closest refinery to that though, I'll have to check in-game when I get a chance.

[north oyster]

HUR-L2

[spring prism]

I probably won't run into as many player pirates as the quant mining refineries

[north oyster]

I would suggest OT to an orbital marker and diving down from there. Be careful with doing a fast HALO in a Prospector, you can lawndart real quick if you come in too hot.

If you go to OM-1 and dive down there, it is always daylight there

[marble saffron]

37% quant thats a jackpot for today

[north oyster]

Not too big either, easy to solo

[glacial dagger]

heyy...that's pretty good

[north oyster]

Notice no Aaron Halo pictures though 😭

[spring prism]

@north oyster Any "Easy" Mining Laser you'd recommend? I don't need the best, I just want a good time. I'd like to also attach FLTR-XLs too

I'm not fond of "Consumables" like the 5x use modules

A few videos I've seen have 0 mining charge despite having power at 100% on the left. But that's only because they aren't close enough to the deposit

So that they can recommend consumables

Which is dumb

[north oyster]

Since you are not focusing on Quantainium, I would look at the lasers with best power with buffs. I use to use Helix exclusively because it can crack anything. It has been defuffed but it might be worth checking out. It is expensive but the most powerful laser onhand

[spring prism]

Helix I --
FLTR-XL
Torrent III
Rieger-C3

Would that work? :V

As I said, I don't like the 5x use things.

[north oyster]

you'll have to experiment with that. Just remember that passive modules will disappear like consumables.

[spring prism]

Yes, and I don't like consumables no matter what

Because I will forget to get more 90% of the time, and I don't want to fill my storage with tons of them

[north oyster]

Consumables are the only thing I use for now. I keep about 20 Surge units onhand at any given time. I run two on the laser head. I may run a passive for awhile until it gets lost

[spring prism]

Just so you know, that optimal window is too small for someone like me: #industrial-professions message

I'm really good at missing things like that even at slow speeds

[north oyster]

The the upgrade is a slider control instead of using a mouse wheel. I use the slice on my joystick and have excellent control.

[spring prism]

I only have a controller or a mouse

And don't plan to get anything else

[marble saffron]

Slider is great, but I feel like even slider isnt as responsive as it should be

[north oyster]

I finally upgraded to dual sticks, been very happy with that

[spring prism]

And I can't aim with controller, it's impossible :V (Aim assist makes it worse in most video games)

[north oyster]

Precise control is always a slug of adjustments. They won't let it be fixed

[marble saffron]

Anyone has mining power set to smooth HAT? How is it compared to slider/rotary input?

[north oyster]

The control of all 6 axis at the same time, plus a few hours of practice makes it possible. Love the freedom with full axis control

[north oyster]

I've not seen that, not sure a HAT would work, but that's just me. The slider on my TM 16000 does fantastic.

[spring prism]

Wish there was a series of images that showed all the window sizes for each laser

[worthy scroll]

You'll have to use the relative control rather than absolute for that, but it should work fine. I haven't done it though, I've always used a slider or rotary encoder for it.

[marble saffron]

Lmao I targeted mining prospector on lyria and he instantly bailed

[north oyster]

Targeted it just to see who it was?

[marble saffron]

Yea

[marble crater]

I'd bail too if I got target locked lol

[spring prism]

Just LOOK at them /4head

[marble saffron]

I run full stealth procpector without guns, and I am targettable under like 2km

[marble crater]

stealth parts don't work right now, you pop up at 9km

[marble saffron]

What did the do

[hot venture]

anyone know what the best mining laser is?

[onyx crow]

For the Prospector, it's the Lancet MH1

[hot venture]

alright thanks

[topaz burrow]

for Mole its the Lancet MH2 😄

[ripe mason]

I made 20k profit. Took half an hour.

[north oyster]

If you're going for Quantainium mining, like BeardedVet said, it will be the Lancet. Of course buy the right size for your ship!!

[marble crater]

Lancet is pretty good for non Quant ore too with some appropriate modules

[cobalt cedar]

how much do you make average for mining quant?

[sacred raptor]

a perfect load of 32SCU is 250k-270k depending on station bonuses

[pastel flame]

Smart player

[spring prism]

Passive modules never actually "run out" do they? They just can't be taken back once attached, and must be replaced if you get a new mining head?

[sacred raptor]

they don't run out. you can unequip them though

[marble crater]

You lose mining modules when you claim your ship or run out of active charges but that's about it

[spring prism]

Passive modules don't have active charges

So only when you claim/etc. I guess.

[obtuse sand]

when cargo refactor happens, will cargo containers likely be available only for specialized ships like the RAFT?

[marble saffron]

Me, in hangar watching my full quant load explode due to station not letting me store the ship

[spring prism]

Bleh, I foolishly dropped two mining laser modules into my ship's interior not knowing I couldn't pick them back up ever again. Now I have to go get a multi-tool with a tractor beam attachment so I can take them out of the ship so they don't stay in the ship, physicalized.

[misty coyote]

How long did you have left?

You could have made the refined dash

[ivory gust]

This is one of many reasons why it's always better to just get the ship impounded instead of trying to park it

[hollow sedge]

Rip

Does it damage the ship

[pseudo reef]

Any Mole/Prospectors interested in a 6592 mass 43.08% QT stone on lyria.? Sell Profit should be 463k. I'd take 150k for it

[swift sage]

im new to mining- is a 7k mass with 8% quant worth it?

[royal cairn]

thats about 11 scu so id say probly not

[delicate girder]

It looks like your ship may have not been in the middle of the landing area and not registered as landed on the pad? As was said above, next time let the station impound your ship if in doubt.

[onyx crow]

Geeez

A prospector only gets 250k off a full load

[spring prism]

If I followed this to the letter, my 2.5+ Hour mining trip on Aberdeen would've given me nothing:

All inert amounts were at least 35-40% uncracked. All good ores had at least 19-20% Inert with the exception of ONE final cracked Agricium, which had 100% Agricium with a mass of 40-50

[swift sage]

whats the keybind to take out mining gadgets?

[spring prism]

Have you tried 4 like with the other tools?

[swift sage]

I didnt know it would be that, but ill try

[royal cairn]

yea its 4

[spring prism]

Multi tool and the med gun are also 4, it cycles between them

[swift sage]

oh alright, thought that was medgun and multitool

how much is 30 SCU's of quant worth?

[delicate girder]

I little over 260k refined as I recall.

[spring prism]

Btw, the prospector is meant to have its own filtration system of "Junk" Material...

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/h9karjereny4gr/source/MISC_Prospector_Laser_Cutter.jpg

[delicate girder]

They chose to implement that as a mining head module.

[spring prism]

Too bad you can't stack the same passive module. Two Rieger-C3s count as one Rieger-C3

[swift sage]

is 17 SCU's of quant worth it?

[delicate girder]

It all adds up.

[onyx lake]

In your opinion, which is better for solo quant mining, the prospector or the mole? I havent used either for a while and am trying to decide on which one to getf

[delicate girder]

I believe the filters stack to some degree don't they?

[spring prism]

You'd have to use an XL, and an L

Can't have two XLs

[delicate girder]

Good to know. I usually only use one.

[spring prism]

It's not worth the trouble ify ou can't use all filter passives. And I have to have at least one Rieger-C3

I'm terrible at keeping it in the green for the Helix I

And I can't handle getting closer to 15 meters with the Hofstede

[delicate girder]

Do you find the Helix is much better as long as you use the Rieger?

[spring prism]

Yes, much better

I mentioned earlier. But this small green sliver, is too small for me to handle: #industrial-professions message

I'd never be able to break the rock, or I'd kill myself

I've had one ALMOST that small on the Helix I even with the Rieger-C3

[delicate girder]

You mean you couldn't handle it with the Helix alone? I've used the Lancet most for quant in the past.

[spring prism]

I don't plan to ever do volatile mining.

Period

[ivory gust]

Lancet still gives the biggest increase to the optimal window Additionally, that small of an optimal window is largely due to that rock being quantanium, not due to the laser

[high quartz]

I just had a fully loaded ship of Quantanium and when I get to the terminal it doesn't show! this is a first for me

[delicate girder]

Quant mining not that dangerous unless it's changed in the last game version or so.

[ivory gust]

Did you land or did you impound

[spring prism]

You aren't the first on spectrum, at least two others had that problem Juan

[high quartz]

land

[ivory gust]

Don't land. Impound.

[spring prism]

And they did both storing and keeping it out

[spring prism]

15 minutes isn't enough time for me, lol

[ivory gust]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-45833

[ivory gust]

Where the heck are you mining that you're not within 15 minutes of a refinery?

Break down the rocks into extractable chunks, then extract everything and head to the refinery.

[delicate girder]

You always want to crack everything down before you suck anything up and start the clock.

[ivory gust]

I mine in the Halo and refine at CRU L1, and I always arrive back with 7+ minutes to spare

[spring prism]

No thanks. I'd rather suck up immediately

[delicate girder]

Is dud rocks still a big problem in the Halo?

[ivory gust]

Then you will suffer from not making very much money, that's how it works.

Also, Helix only has a 15% optimal window increase, so if the size of the optimal window is a concern for you, you should be using a Lancet or Impact, probably

[ivory gust]

Yes

You shouldn't be mining 50% inert stuff regardless of whether you're mining quant or bexalite...if you are, you're Doing It Wrong

[spring prism]

Then you will suffer from not making very much money, that's how it works.

Then I'll just do 615 Box missions to get a C2 hercules to do trading.

[delicate girder]

That's self defeating. Better to go do bounties then. It's safer.

[spring prism]

I'm not willing to do ship combat

[ivory gust]

It's a game. Do what's fun. If that's fun for you, go for it

But a cargo hold of 50% inert materials tells me that you're doing something very wrong with Prospector mining, regardless of what ore you're going for

[spring prism]

It's not my fault that 60% of the scan targets were gems within 12k meters

or slate/granite

[ivory gust]

Gems don't appear as scan targets outside of ~3k meters

So anything that pings farther away than that is definitely ore

[spring prism]

I even used the 180 Degrees trick a video said to do and only go in a line, didn't help much

[ivory gust]

Also, 60% of scan results has nothing to do with what rocks you're mining--if you're still deciding to mine something that's 5% bexalite, yes you're going to get mostly garbage

[delicate girder]

Is that the one where you set the angle down to 2% or something? Send me the link if you have it.

[ivory gust]

Pretty sure that only really applies to quant mining on Lyria, when surface mining

since anything with 2+ rocks is quant there

[spring prism]

I don't know where the "Percent" angle is, because there isn't anything like that on the HUD. Just a circle that gets bigger and smaller when I use mouse wheel. As well as the FOV

[delicate girder]

Ah, yeah. That was for counting the rocks.

[ivory gust]

The keys are . and ,

The angle shows up on the left side of the HUD

[spring prism]

For me that's ping angle, and hitting , and . does nothing

[ivory gust]

You're scanning in scan mode?

[spring prism]

Yes

[ivory gust]

Don't do that--be in flight mode or mining mode

Scan mode is only useful in ships that don't have mining mode to see what type a target is when you're close

[spring prism]

I was scanning in flight/mining mode for a while at the end, but it still wasn't great

[delicate girder]

There was an old parallax technique I used in the Halo, but that no longer works.

[spring prism]

I had most of them be 9+k away

[ivory gust]

Scanning takes a while to learn, and ends up easily being the majority of the work in mining

[ivory gust]

So fly to them to check?

[delicate girder]

How's ROC mining these days? Still too buggy? If it's good, which locations are best for Hadenite. I forgot.

[ivory gust]

I haven't seen that many bugs with the ROC mining I've done this patch. I haven't encountered any ghost deposits. I've had the extractor fail to work a few times, but was always able to get it going again through fully power cycling the ROC or at worst removing a gem from the cargo hold and putting it back in ("clearing the jam")

It's definitely less profitable than Prospector mining, but certainly can be less frustrating than the Halo

Arial has been good to me, I frequently find clusters of 6+ Hadanite deposits

[delicate girder]

How much is an average ROC load worth. Can't remember.

[spring prism]

Guess I'll go back to Aberdeen and try again. What altitude do you recommend?

[ivory gust]

1km should be fine. Fly along in mining mode, ping every few seconds; fly towards results that appear farther away. Any result that shows up only within 3km should be ignored since it's going to be gems.

You can use . and , (in flight or mining mode) to set your scan angle to 180 (shows left side of HUD after changing) so you're only seeing results in front of you, that can help.

When you approach a deposit, as you get close in mining mode you'll be able to see the type. You're looking for Obsidian or Felsic deposits. Ignore everything else, you don't need to wait for them to fully scan composition, you know they won't have Bexalite in them.

When you find Obsidian or Felsic, let the scan (in mining mode) complete to show the composition. You can use something like https://sc-mining.app/ to calculate how much SCU of Bexalite is in the rock based on the percentage. Personally, I'd ignore anything under 20% unless it's in a cluster with multiple 10%+ ones.

You already know the basics of breaking rocks down to extraction, just make sure you're focusing on the chunks that actually have bexalite in them.

Expect to spend 10-15minutes at least to find a rock or cluster worth mining every time you go out--don't just grab the first thing you find.

The other thing you could do is head to the Halo and look for P-Type asteroids--it seems to be mainly quant that's bugged/unscannable so you may be fine since you're looking for bexalite instead.
The Halo has two advantages:

• The biggest rocks are only 5100 so you can easily mine them with a Lancet for the largest instability and optimal window bonuses, without needing to worry about modules.
• When scanning in mining mode, if you ping directly at a signature with 2 degree scan you can tell what type of asteroid it is out to 12km, so you don't have to fly up to everything to find out what it is.

[spring prism]

I suppose I could go back to MIC-L1 near my starting planet then if I do halo mining

[swift sage]

does quant have a higher chance of spawning at night?

[ivory gust]

CRU L1 much better. Closest point to the Aaron Halo from MIC L1 is 17M km; only 6KM from CRU L1. CRU L1 also has a 5% bexalite refining bonus.

As fair warning, though, lots of people have found the Halo very frustrating to scan--but they've all been looking for Quantanium, not Bexalite.

[spring prism]

mmk, I'll go there then.

Hopefully the lancet will actually work on those size asteroids, because I know the helix had trouble, despite its high power, on 6200

[ivory gust]

Lancet can definitely do the 5100 asteroids without trouble. It just takes a while

Might need to wiggle around a little to find the "weak spot" on the asteroid

[north oyster]

Found a 49% Asteroid in the Halo today. But not after a long line of duds, low 2% Q rocks, etc. So over 30min later made a good hit.

However that Visual bug of your Quantainium turning into Inert material is unnerving to say the least.

[delicate girder]

Yes, the dud rocks bug(s) has been a problem for far too long. From 3.14 as I recall.

[meager gorge]

Does the blue circle the opens and closes matter? Compared to the degree fov adjustment?

[jagged whale]

Was hauling 1.5mil worth of quant and 30k'd

Now the game refuses to let me join the game, so I can't check if my shit is safe

[real ingot]

ooof

[marble crater]

you gotta log out of launcher and relog after a 30K

[jagged whale]

There's actually an easier way, just try to start the PU again, and it will fail to start, then just close and start the game again and you can log in

This rarely happens to me, but this time it just says server is full when I try to launch it

[marble crater]

there's another launch bug that can happen where it keeps hanging so full relog is recommended to get around 30K bugs

[jagged whale]

Ah alright, thanks for the heads up!

[worthy scroll]

Well this is fun. I need to land here to pick up a box, but it's a restricted space and I get auto turned away no matter what direction I approach it from 😆

And it finally just blew me up 🤣

[royal cairn]

ah probly need to park at spaceport and get there via train if its a big city

[worthy scroll]

Nah, there are many box pickups on these towers, you land on the pad and then go inside to grab it. There is no other access.

They're scattered all through NB, in places you can't get to by tram.

[proper phoenix]

what would i need on Prospector to crack this?

its 6.5k

how does MASS to SCU calculate?

[brittle rose]

@proper phoenix surge snd stampede modules with your lancet

you wont need anything else i hope

[proper phoenix]

can i get something better?

i saw rock that was 8k with quant

[brittle rose]

for sure, but this is already really good for its mass and quant size

[brittle rose]

you cant crack this

[proper phoenix]

[brittle rose]

youll need a mole

[ivory gust]

Need two people

[proper phoenix]

and mole as solo miner is useless isnt it?

[brittle rose]

but yea, get those modules and youll crack this

[ivory gust]

Mole, or two Prospectors

[proper phoenix]

gotcha

[brittle rose]

its just a bit slower since you need to keep getting up and down, but the extra scu space and lasers are nice

[proper phoenix]

so in terms of cracking rocks in solo Mole isnt that bad?

[ivory gust]

Only advantage it has over Prospector is 96 SCU storage vs 32. It's much worse at scanning though since youl don't have mining mode in the pilot's seat

In terms of cracking rocks it's identical to the Prospector if you're solo, just that you could set up multiple lasers with different module sets

[proper phoenix]

wtf my Prospector destroyed itself with 9 minutes of time

[ivory gust]

Did you land?

[proper phoenix]

yeah

i dont think that i hit anything

but maybe

[ivory gust]

Don't do that. Get impounded

[proper phoenix]

ugh i cant buy surge at Arc

its on Olisaaar

[onyx crow]

surge is on lorville as well

[proper phoenix]

im not going for it

Stampede will be enough lmao

[onyx crow]

not if you want to crack rocks 5.5k+

[brittle rose]

did you turn anything off

[proper phoenix]

i just pressed Y to get off

and i heard BIP BIP BIP

[brittle rose]

yea this is a new bug

its fucking awful but

if that happens next time when you land, log out

itll store your ship

[proper phoenix]

i literally cant get up from bottom

yesterday i was caught by pirates literally

[brittle rose]

oh shitp

[proper phoenix]

they wanted 100k THAT I HAD IN CARGO

3 gguys one in mantis two in titan stalkers

[brittle rose]

theyre just jealous we make more money than them

[proper phoenix]

i have to get money yet

lmao

[brittle rose]

im heading to area 18 with about half a million worth of refined quant

[proper phoenix]

area 18? cant you sell that on moon or something?

[brittle rose]

refined ore needs to be sold at TDD’s at any major city

you get FAT bucks for selling refined quant

[proper phoenix]

never got to this point

cuz..

that bug and pirates

[brittle rose]

f

youll get there

[proper phoenix]

on my way to buy 10 stampedes

[brittle rose]

try heading to band 5 of the belt if space mining is more your jam or want to be left completly alone

[proper phoenix]

i didnt have luck finding ANY quant

in space

[brittle rose]

hence band 5

[proper phoenix]

around yela

band 5?

[brittle rose]

the astroid belt that surrounds stanton, its divided into belts

accessible only via disabling quant from a certain distance from specific locations

band 5 has the largest astroid desnity

[proper phoenix]

where is it?

i cant see it on starmap

oh god its complicated

[brittle rose]

start from cru l1, target arc l3

[ivory gust]

https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[brittle rose]

quantum from cru l1, disengage when youre about 1195000 - 1185000

[proper phoenix]

[brittle rose]

this has very good information

read up on it if you want to know more

[proper phoenix]

1195000 like distance to?

[ivory gust]

also note that the aaron halo is currently kinda meh, lots of unscannable rocks

[brittle rose]

yes

[brittle rose]

correct

[proper phoenix]

noticed it around yela

[brittle rose]

correct

[proper phoenix]

so is band 5 better than Lyria?

[brittle rose]

its different

[ivory gust]

The Halo has two advantages:

• The biggest rocks are only 5100 so you can easily mine them with a Lancet for the largest instability and optimal window bonuses, without needing to worry about modules.
• When scanning in mining mode, if you ping directly at a signature with 2 degree scan you can tell what type of asteroid it is out to 12km, so you don't have to fly up to everything to find out what it is.

[brittle rose]

you wont encounter any astroids that you cant crack normally

👍

winters’ got it

[proper phoenix]

gotta bind that thingy to decrease scan degrees

[ivory gust]

it's . and , by default

[proper phoenix]

thank you guys

very helpful

[brittle rose]

your path to riches begins now

[proper phoenix]

and how do i use modules? what button>

[ivory gust]

Don't need them in the halo

but i think it's alt-1, alt-2, alt-3

[brittle rose]

ye

[proper phoenix]

[brittle rose]

be careful of using surge modules. gauge how much it fills before using it again

you can quite literally kill yourself / the astroid

[proper phoenix]

i did it

[proper phoenix]

how do i know what type it is?

[ivory gust]

Be in mining mode

[proper phoenix]

OH

[ivory gust]

Ping at 180 or whatever. reduce angle to 2 degrees, point right at the signature result from the 180, ping again

it shows type, if it shows nothing it's unscannable

you're looking for q-types for quant

[proper phoenix]

I FUCKING BONKED IT HEAD ON

but im alive

[ivory gust]

Expect to spend at least 10-20 minutes scanning before you find something worth mining

Often a lot longer than that

[proper phoenix]

yeah most rocks are unscannable

[ivory gust]

Seems worse while SOO is running

[worthy scroll]

Most thing seem to get worse while that's going.

But that's par for the course when it comes to events.

[proper phoenix]

yeah i dont think that it works that well

compared to Lyria

probably those rocks are faulty

bedlog took my modules

[ivory gust]

not like I told you that you didn't need them or anything

[proper phoenix]

i switched to Lyria

and bedlog made my ship useless my Lancet is gone?

[ivory gust]

destroy and claim, if that doesn't work yes, you'll need a new one, it happens sometimes

make sure you report the issue on issue council

[crude tiger]

what are these?

[ivory gust]

Boxes for a delivery mission?

[crude tiger]

picked one up and hovered curser over it. says placeholder so useless. found em at UGF next to dead player

[spring prism]

All box delivery boxes are "Placeholder." Carry one and hit your inventory key to bring up your inventory. Then hover the box you're carrying.

they all, also usually are 90+k microSCU

Which is hilarious (they just don't want you "storing" them, which you can't anyway.)

The coffee mug you get with the coffee machine in the 315p is also "Placeholder." (In most cases it will spawn in or under your deployed cargo elevator for the 315p. Placing it on the coffee maker will stop it from respawning when repairing the 315p. Usually.)

[river cove]

Ok I try start trade where to start what to buy and sale?

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[river cove]

Btw I have a CAT

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[river cove]

I know the website but for a beginner ? what is your suggestion ?

[ivory gust]

use website, click trade routes, enter your ship and how much money you have to spend, on the left side check "allow wait
expand "Commodities" and in the first box "Types" select "Vice" and "avoid selection"

You'll probably end up with Laranite from HDMS-Bezdek to Lorville CBD. You'll never be able to fill the hold with Laranite, so just grab as much Laranite as they have and fill the rest with Titanium

[river cove]

Ok thanks great help

it say Astantine ?

uhmmm

ah no I change it all good thanks

[topaz burrow]

has anyone got any multi-crew mining spreadsheet for easy payout tracking?

[zenith maple]

Wouldnt you just split whatever you get paid after the stuff is sold?

or do you want to micromanage it with tracking what gets mined and hours put in by each one?

[topaz burrow]

I sometimes run 4-5 hours of mining trips. So just want to record it somewhere and keep track of number of crew in that run and their payout. Ideally I could add refinery costs etc

[zenith maple]

interesting, should be fairly easy to put together in a google spreadsheet

[topaz burrow]

yeah true. I was hoping there was one around this channel already. I've seen some that had all the +% of quant per refinery and rock prices all nice and clever. I do just fine now with simple spreadsheet. But was thinking someone had one here more robust and was willing to share that's all.

[zenith maple]

could be, some people like numbers, I could see myself making one if I go down the mining path fully in the future

[topaz burrow]

🙂

[topaz burrow]

I've stopped solo mining, burned out last patch. Now only do Mole multi crew with a bit of banter

[zenith maple]

yeah, I can see how that helps keep it more enjoyable

[foggy sail]

anyone wanna help me crack a rock pls

[hot venture]

how do i equip a mining laser its just sitting in my inventory

[topaz burrow]

open vehicle manager -> utilities -> click on existing laser -> click on laser you want to swap to

bear in mind, you cant change laser on rented prospector

[hot venture]

alr

[swift sage]

if I cant fit all of my refined quant into one vehicle, does the rest that didnt fit remain in the refinery, or does it get deleted

[topaz burrow]

you cant split Refinery quant. It either fits or you are not taking it

[swift sage]

alright, because when i select a storage option, it selects that for everything

and I dont want everything else just getting deleted, because I only have 40 SCU's of storage, and around 45 SCU's of quant

[topaz burrow]

oh no no, it will only load one work order

[gentle brook]

rent a cutty black for 1 day it can hold 45 i think

[topaz burrow]

It wont load all of them jsut the one you pick

[swift sage]

ohh, thank you

[topaz burrow]

it just pre-selects vehicle for the others so it's easier. The only QOL in SC right there

[swift sage]

also, can I sell at area 18, or does lorville pay more?

[gentle brook]

does anyone have a mole and wanna group?

from what i understand only orison pays more

[swift sage]

alright

[topaz burrow]

all locations have the same buy price for refined quant afaik

[gentle brook]

i can confirm theres a bonus at orison. but unless your taking 500 scu f that

[marble crater]

Orison pays more than $8800/SCU?

[topaz burrow]

I mean I've not checked. Never heard of it being different, but I also cant confirm

aint flighting from arc-l1 to cru lol would spend more on fuel

[gentle brook]

i think i have an order done,ill run it for fun aand see

[ripe mason]

I've been looking for quantanium at the belt and Lyria and honestly I don't know which is better. Both places I fly for ages and can never get anything worth mining

[gentle brook]

because its definitely been awhile

[topaz burrow]

Mining is based on luck. You either find rocks or dont. Sometimes I land and Q is right there sometimes it takes on hour to find 2%

[gentle brook]

in my case ill be running a connie with vk1 for fuel ideas

lyria is my only spot

i dont belt mine and never have. lotta bugs lately too

[fading escarp]

there is no significant price difference. Only difference is your time flying and the QT fuel

[gentle spade]

Have they changed how to scan a ping? I send out a ping and get a lot of responses but can't figure out how to scan and see the signature size?

[topaz burrow]

xl1? dont think vk1 fits connie

[gentle brook]

yeah sorry

xl1

[topaz burrow]

yes, watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz8TOCUa0Ms

[gentle brook]

its the fastest

[topaz burrow]

and best

[gentle brook]

yep

[gentle spade]

Thank you!

[ripe mason]

With my luck it doesn't feel like its worth mining sometimes cause I feel like Im wasting more time not getting anything

[topaz burrow]

it definitely can be like this, not going to lie. If you think about it you can do 75k or 90k bunkers in 15min. Full prospector of quant is 250k after refining, and selling it 2 days later. It's just sometimes more relaxed to just fly about. Best if done with friends to have some banter

[ripe mason]

How are you getting 75 or 90 at bunkers? Is that with higher rep

Also my friends hate mining lol

[topaz burrow]

you need lvl4 and lvl5 rep with local security

[ripe mason]

Yeah honestly I might try getting that out after a couple runs for q

[topaz burrow]

🙂

i do mining in between things or run a Mole with friends to just chill. Have some rum and crash a few times. If you prefer more action then defo bunkers.

you can try the new combat assistance beacons. High threat can pay 200k. It will be nerfed soon tho, or it already was. Not checked

[ripe mason]

I haven’t seen those, only beacons I’ve seen were for medical assistance and I have to fly 30m plus to get there

[topaz burrow]

yeah ECN and Medical are different. There will be Service Beacon section in your mission list and you will see LOW THREAT, MODERATE, HIGH, CRITICAL. They can be rare or very often.

[swift sage]

is UEX down?

[plush maple]

when loading refined material to a frieghter, is it better to store then load or load it on the pad

had my cargo just up and vanish lastvtime and want to avoid that

[ripe mason]

I've done it either way and hadn't had a problem

Mostly doing it from stored tho

[plush maple]

its happening again- picked up from refinery but no boxes in my ship

[swift sage]

I didnt have boxes showing either, but I could still sell it fine

[plush maple]

last time wouldnt let me sell either but hopefully will this time

[royal cairn]

Yeah I think there’s a bug with the visual boxes. I fill an msr and sometimes there’s a bunch and sometimes there’s 0/1 in there

[plush maple]

hope that gets fixed soon, its satisfying having a full cargo bay

[rugged axle]

99% of the time you won't have boxes for quant. 75% of the time you won't have boxes for anything else.

[gentle mortar]

How many work orders can you stack at the refinery

Currently have 1 completed and 1 refining

[onyx crow]

Quite a bit, I currenlty have 8 going

Seen someone say they've had 15 going

Not sure what max is

[charred delta]

what's the best way of cracking open large rocks? Some rocks I struggle with simply cause they are so large that even 100% power doesnt do anything to the charge level

[onyx crow]

You need a surge module to bust anything above 5.5k mass

[charred delta]

ah ok

[onyx crow]

and would need a stampede module to zap it through the green zone to completion

once in the green zone

[charred delta]

i see ok

[rugged axle]

Unlimited work orders. And can sit there until next wipe(Aka forever)

[gentle mortar]

@onyx crow @rugged axle Thanks. Do you guys also know why scanning gets broken? just found a large cluster of quant but I can't scan them :(

[rugged axle]

Server load/uptime. I've given up on halo mining until jt/siege is done. Lyria isn't affected nearly as badly.

[onyx crow]

It happens, if you can't scan them, it's time to move on to the next rock unfortunately. If you're in the halo, there's known to be more unscannable rock there.

[gentle mortar]

I tried the closest rock and I can't do a detailed scan

BwIn is hovering around 0.3

[onyx crow]

If you constantly find nothing but unscannable rock on the current server your on, which can also happen, it may unfortunately be time to move on to the next server.

[ivory gust]

You can tell if a cluster is unscannable from 12km away if you're scanning correctly, so you don't need to waste time flying to it

[rugged axle]

Unfortunately that's not entirely true. I've found some are unscannable at 12km. But if you get within 6, it may or may not scan. Becomes your choice to possibly waste time or not though

[ivory gust]

I have never seen a rock be scannable at 12km but not scannable at 6km.

If you see the asteroid type at 12km, it's scannable. If you don't, it's unscannable.

[ivory gust]

Oh, you're saying the other way around, that stuff unscannable at 12km might scan under 6. Not worth it imo unless there's some kind of pattern to it

[gentle mortar]

All this time, I've been spamming the scan button and getting under 2km to see if it's quant

[woeful sierra]

Why it is not showing me the mining informations?

[fair coral]

So my ship exploded and I died, my roc is fine. Is there a way to find it? My death marker isn't showing up

[royal cairn]

This looks like one of the unscannable rocks unfortunately

Or you are in extract mode

[rugged axle]

@woeful sierra most likely a ghost rock. Halo is very bad about it right now

Even in extract, it should show you the %s.

[woeful sierra]

Ye I found another 4 of them and then crashed it is showing in the ping , but then it cannot be scaned or minned nothing

[rugged axle]

It's showing its quantanium? Or just showing the diamond saying "there's a rock here"?

[woeful sierra]

No its just showed as a rock in ping, but after I get close I cannot get informations from that rock

Like it wasnt there

[rugged axle]

Yep, typical ghost rock. Just gotta move on. If your dropping your ping to 2* and it's not showing you the type at 11.9km, it's a ghost 99% of time. Better to just move on and leave it alone until they get it fixed

[woeful sierra]

I tried 2° and it was showed the "white" diamond thing

[rugged axle]

It's why I highly suggest finding a 2nd prospector pilot and mine lyria together right now

Right, that's what a ghost rock does. It'll show "there's a rock", but won't show "it's a quantanium rock right here"

[woeful sierra]

And when you ping with 2° it will show normally what type of the rock is?

I did not know that

[rugged axle]

Yes. Out to 11.9km.

[woeful sierra]

Yes but that only show like "I am here" but not "What Am I" or?

You can scan it that far?

[rugged axle]

You should do a 90/180 ping to get contacts, drop to 2*, ping each one. It should show type(q,m,e,p) in the top left of your Hud out to 11.9km. At around 6km, it should show you mass, instability, and resistance.

So you can tell it's quantanium rock at 11.9, have a good idea if it's a good one or not at 6km(look at instability, above 7 is worth mining), and get exact %s at like 200meters

Make sure you stay in mining mode the whole time

[woeful sierra]

OH I need to try that. Dont know about the type

How you know it is quantanium? Because of the type?

[rugged axle]

Yes

Quantanium is only in Q type asteroids.

[woeful sierra]

Oh... thank you very much. Will try tommorow after work

And in the planetary system you can know which type is that also?

[rugged axle]

Lyria is easier. Ping 90 or 180. Drop to 2* , ping your contacts. If 2 or more diamonds pop up in the group, it's quantanium

[woeful sierra]

Oh yes this I know 🙂 thank you

I was trying the space for the first time now 🙂

And some youtube video told me this place, but now I see this: https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-46277

So it is I guess bugfest here too 😄

[rugged axle]

Yea, space is just bad right now due to the events going on. Server load is killing it

[woeful sierra]

Oh .. I see

But this server I was on was really smooth.

Maybe my smoothest server I have been to

[rugged axle]

I've noticed eastern standard time(my timezone), if I'm up before 6am. Halo works pretty good. Because most people are still asleep lol

[woeful sierra]

Understand

[worthy scroll]

That's how it is, server load plays a major role in performance and how well things are working. Things (should) get back to normal once all these events are over. I hope.

[rugged axle]

Hopefully. I'm bored of lyria and needing other people lol. Sometimes I just want to mine in peace and quiet with some music playing.

[worthy scroll]

I keep telling myself I want to get back into mining, but I log on and start running boxes... 🤷

Even that is a royal pain with the server load.

[ivory gust]

Note that you need to be pinging/scanning while in mining mode for this to work

[rugged axle]

I mean, don't get me wrong. I've made ~12m mining so far. But that's mostly using a crewed mole.

[ivory gust]

Be in mining mode.

Set ping angle 180, scan to see results as squares with distance.

Set ping angle 2, point straight at result, ping again.

If q-type shows up on the right, investigate further. If it's anything else or blank, move on

Note this only works in space

[woeful sierra]

Noting it,, thank you very much. I was never in minning mode when pinging

[cyan mountain]

i cant place a boremax

[royal cairn]

What's happening?

[cyan mountain]

the quantanium gods have smiled upon me once again

[spring prism]

I'm going to try P-Asteroid Mining for minerals soon. For whatever reason Aberdeen was just being a butt.

By the way, does anyone know if "Completed" Refinery jobs contribute to refinery load percentage?

Because that could explain the massive amount of percentage

[thin escarp]

@spring prism were you roc mining on aberdeen?

if your in a ship mining. its quant or bust damn near. i highly suggest reading one of the pinned guides on here.

i have a good couple pinned

[spring prism]

No, I wasn't looking for Quantanium. I'm not a big fan of volatile timers / etc. I often forget how long it's been. I was using the Prospector with a Helix Laser, which was having problems breaking even a 6200 Mass rock.

Someone suggested me to go into the halo and look for P-Asteroids instead, because I was out for 2 and a half hours on Aberdeen yesterday and basically came up with almost nothing good.

I'm not good with small windows to keep a fluctuating meter in, so I'm going to probably end up going to Lancet.

I don't want to use consumables or mining gadgets. I'll end up losing a gadget because it's small and will fly about when a rock cracks.

[ivory gust]

We've been over this with him, he's not going to do Quant.

[ivory gust]

Note that you don't need to manually keep track of how long it's been when mining quant, there's a timer that shows when in mining mode

[ember star]

I want to get back into hauling because I hate bounties. Don’t tell me what they are, but are there any profitable runs that are consistent?

[spring prism]

https://www.gallog.co/trading

Only select the ship and how much you're willing to spend. It will take into account your ship's maximum cargo.

Leave everything else blank

[ember star]

This doesn’t account for the economy

If there is no product, there is no profit

Perfect example… there will never be this much

[ivory gust]

!tradetools tells you the max available and the refresh

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[ivory gust]

There are no tools that tell you what the current availability is. The only way to get that information is to go to a place in game

[spring prism]

Yeah, and I'd rather not travel to grim hex nor deal in smuggling/etc

[ivory gust]

Tradetools lets you exclude drugs

[spring prism]

Which is pretty much what all these are:

I don't know what all the drug names are

[ivory gust]

Left side, commodities, choose "vice" under types, avoid selection

[spring prism]

Thanks

Probably going to have to rent an Andromeda and start doing trading. Feels like it would be far more profitable than Mining

[ivory gust]

The only way for trading to compete with Prospector mining in terms of profit per hour is to use a Caterpillar or C2. Anything else is too small to make much

Andromeda certainly won't cut it

[spring prism]

Well, guess I'll have to start with mining then. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I am definitely looking to get the C2 eventually though, I prefer it over the Cat in design/etc.

[ivory gust]

Since you're not going for Quant in the Prospector that does tilt things in favor of hauling a bit, but there's currently nothing for freight ships between the Constellation Taurus and the Caterpillar

[spring prism]

[ivory gust]

In the current version of the game the C2 is strictly better than the Caterpillar anyway

[spring prism]

Just wondering how someone will go about landing the larger cargo Hull ships

[ivory gust]

The MISC Hull series? Above the B they don't land

Not while loaded anyway

[spring prism]

I'm guessing that means the trading for them is going to have to be specifically tailored for them on sites like SC Trade Tools

[ivory gust]

Probably, but they'll also need a complete overhaul of the trading economy to be worthwhile, since currently the only good trading routes are all surface to surface

That's why I'm sad they were working on the Hull C before the Hull B...the B actually has a place in the current version of the game

[spring prism]

Maybe the cargo refactor will change a few things

[north oyster]

Cargo refactor will change everything

[austere willow]

Is SC trade tools kept up to date? It’s showing a maxlancer as making 73k per run of laranite

300k investment in. 73k out in profit

[austere willow]

Welp we’ve established I’m blind…

Guess I know what I’m doing tomorrow…if the server is stable

[ivory gust]

Note that you probably won't be able to fill a MAX with laranite unless you're willing to wait a while

[austere willow]

Ahhh didn’t realize it was that hard to find.

[spring prism]

Guess I found one of those "Ghost" asteroids:

Also died because I went at it too fast. Time to buy another lancet

[ivory gust]

The issue is that the available stock is shared across all servers, and it's very popular, so it will likely all be bought up.

You can always fill up the rest of your hold with titanium or something

[ivory gust]

Is that after a scan ping at 2 degrees? I would expect it to be a white diamond, not the blue box

[spring prism]

It was definitely an asteroid

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory gust]

... No, I can clearly see on the screen that it's a blue box icon

[spring prism]

Yep, but when I hit it, it was an asteroid (physically)

but it was still the box icon

even at 1k

[ivory gust]

After pinging at 2 degrees?

If you do it correctly the icon switches to a white diamond

[brittle rose]

@spring prism you wont need to buy another lancet

you will need to rebuy and modules

[brittle rose]

any*

[ivory gust]

His Prospector's laser seems to fall off regularly

[brittle rose]

huh

that… shouldnt happen

you know what a friends moles lasers just straight up dont work as of yesterday

[spring prism]

Time to wait a while

A bit of an annoyance having to go through Crusader, then re-exit its atmosphere slightly to get to OM-4 then QT to CRU-L2. Since the game won't let me QT directly to CRU-L2

[ivory gust]

Also:

• it's like one of the cardinal rules of Star Citizen that you don't fly directly towards something unless you want to hit it. Always point a little bit off to the side.
• Mining isn't a race, there's no need to go so fast. I usually travel at SCM while scanning. Decoupled mode for bonus points so you can keep going in the same direction while scanning. For starting out, though, there's nothing wrong with stopping to scan all of the signatures before continuing.

[spring prism]

It was a little bit off to the side, my side hit the rock

[ivory gust]

Make it a larger "little bit" then, lol

[cobalt rivet]

Rekt

[spring prism]

Well, all right then.

[umbral rune]

ah yes

the ships jumping in hangar

[spring prism]

How do I know what SCM is?

[ivory gust]

it's where the speedometer switches from blue to red

[spring prism]

Oh, okay then

[ivory gust]

in a prospector it's like 145-ish m/s

[proper phoenix]

getting through 7.5k rocks is nice

[umbral rune]

I just messed up on a similar situation

even had an optimum module going to help out, rip

[royal cairn]

@proper phoenix did you use a gadget at all or just double surge stampede?

[umbral rune]

was like a 6.5k, ~20%

[proper phoenix]

double

[umbral rune]

I ended up with a <800 load of q

it crept up over the red too long

[heavy anchor]

anyone group mining

[austere willow]

Is the unscannable hold of the MSR working yet?

Google say no. Not implemented yet.

[proper phoenix]

my game crashed

[umbral rune]

30k or normal crash?

[proper phoenix]

normal crash

[umbral rune]

there's a chance you load back into your ship

not a large one

but a chance

[proper phoenix]

still

my rocks are gone probably

[umbral rune]

if you load into your ship (from crash; nonbed) you load into the same server
if you load into the same server, rocks are there

[proper phoenix]

yeah about that

[umbral rune]

OH I have been there

[ivory gust]

rip

[umbral rune]

WAIT

NO I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE WTF

[proper phoenix]

its fucking upside down

[ivory gust]

you've just found the portal to the shadow realm

[proper phoenix]

yeah my mining experience gets worse and worse

[umbral rune]

ok, ok this is ... probably salvageable

the gravity of the ship has you rn, right?

[ivory gust]

no, salvage not till 3.18

[umbral rune]

LOL

[proper phoenix]

yeah

[umbral rune]

see if you can get to the thruster next to the door?

[proper phoenix]

i couldnt click

like it was outlined but i couldnt

[umbral rune]

think the gravity of the ship might let you "fall" above the terrain layer?

[proper phoenix]

yeah i could just walk under

modules get used? like i lose it after few uses?

[spring prism]

Well, I did find a 30% 5.1k Mass Quantainium Asteroid, lol.

[umbral rune]

surge and stampede yes are 5 use each

nice space rock

[spring prism]

And passives will be consumed if you claim

[umbral rune]

ye

should change that one imo

[spring prism]

That's why I have an Aurora ES on perma-stock so I can transit around between places for each ship

[ivory gust]

I thought you weren't looking for Quant :P

That's a nice find though, will almost fill the hold if it fractures well

[spring prism]

Yeah, that green sliver isn't really big enough

[ivory gust]

You're using a Lancet, it gets bigger

[umbral rune]

ye

75% larger

it's fine

[ivory gust]

40% I thought

[umbral rune]

wait, no modules ean?

no you're right 40

I'm thinking of the opti module

[ivory gust]

Also if you're trying to avoid Quantanium, don't bother flying to check out Q-types

[umbral rune]

hm? even though he found a good q-type?

[ivory gust]

He doesn't want to mine Quantanium

[umbral rune]

oh

"trying to avoid" mb, misread

[spring prism]

It only got two pixels bigger when mining it:

[umbral rune]

get in optimal range

[spring prism]

I did

The window only changed when mining started

[umbral rune]

sometimes it's finnicky, but it should change by 40%

[spring prism]

Got a second rock with 100%

[marble crater]

& so began the Quant or die journey every miner goes through at the start

[ivory gust]

But you succeeded!

[cobalt rivet]

When you get that smooth quant work flowing

This patch i give quant mining credit cause they fked up bunkers with all those million npc events

[ivory gust]

Unfortunately, those events also fked up asteroids

[cobalt rivet]

Its why i mine lyria

Before patch asteroids were literally easy cash

Would get hits within 5-10 minutes

And thats with me being first timer

[umbral rune]

and on lyria we get ghost rocks and partially under terrain rocks lol

also the red light bug

[spring prism]

Changed like nothing in the optimal window size

[cobalt rivet]

Lancet and surge is better

[spring prism]

Also this one in particular had super fluctuation, where it would go super high at 20%, then go back to 0 charge when I had put pwoer on 14%

[cobalt rivet]

Dont matter the window, your marker doesnt jump wildly

[spring prism]

Mine did jump wildly

In fact, at one point, it jumped almost halfway into the red from the green

[cobalt rivet]

What mining head

[ivory gust]

"changed like nothing in the optimal window size" and is like twice as big smh

[spring prism]

Lancet

[ivory gust]

You're not at optimal, that's why

[cobalt rivet]

Gotta be close

[brittle rose]

@spring prism give me ur quant...

[cobalt rivet]

Optimal distance for better power and stability

I also like asteroids because they dont crumble when you break them they stay in place which makes it easier to memorize what to extract

[ivory gust]

Yep, because apparently we have drag in space

Imagine how awful it would be if the chunks kept traveling away at constant velocity after breaking apart the way they should

[umbral rune]

FUCK

red light bug when warping off planet

literally nothing i can do but log

it was a shit load but I'm still unhappy bout it

[umbral rune]

also, about this

[cobalt rivet]

If they explode at any magnitude they sorta do which makes them nore dangerous for noobs

[umbral rune]

bluish is base, green is your bonus

[spring prism]

Basically 2.5 minutes to spare

I'm never doing that again

[ivory gust]

Plenty of time

Though in the future I would recommend not landing--just let yourself get impounded

[umbral rune]

that's probably because of where you were

I've never done belt mining

from lyria if the yellow light comes on, I'm fine on time to get back

but distance to station is a huge factor

[spring prism]

The most annoying part is having to QT to Crusader, go to an OM, then go to the L1 then refinery

[umbral rune]

ah

[ivory gust]

You actually found quant at CRU L2 B?

I've seen approximately 0 Q-Types

[spring prism]

No, I stopped before hitting CRU-L2 at about 300k distance from CRU-L2

[marble crater]

Halo is easier, no need to detour via Crusader

[spring prism]

Where do I go to get to the halo? :V

As far as I'm aware, it's past crusader

[ivory gust]

https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[spring prism]

Since there's no asteroid belt near CRU-L1

[ivory gust]

from CRU L1, set course for ARC L3, kill quant when you have ~11,800,000 left

[spring prism]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marble crater]

Yep 1 jump each way from CRUL1

[ivory gust]

2 jumps back

since you need to go to L1 and then the station

[umbral rune]

how far is the jump to L1 usually?

[ivory gust]

6Mkm?

[umbral rune]

m

more than double the lyria to arc l1

[ivory gust]

Also, can confirm there are asteroids between Crusader and CRU L2, investigating now

[umbral rune]

so with my prosp that's approximately 4m qt I'd guess

[ivory gust]

VK-00, nbd

[umbral rune]

is a vk

[spring prism]

Yeah, from Crusader to CRU-L2, I stopped quantum at about 300k remaining

Whole mess of asteroids, which is where I found that 30% Quantanium Rock

[umbral rune]

I remember once timing from lyria to arc l1 and I got ~1m40s

[spring prism]

There were like 2 others near it, one with 7% at 4k Mass

[ivory gust]

so, this is indeed the aaron halo between crusader and CRU L2

so yes, technically shorter trip than going via ARC L3, but you need the annoying detour around crusader itself

[heavy anchor]

trying group mine

[spring prism]

Good thing I had nothing on me save for the free undersuit/helm

[umbral rune]

he vibin

[spring prism]

No, that's me, I died by standing on the "Caution" hot glass

It's just instant

No incap, just death

[umbral rune]

just checkin if the hottub workin

[spring prism]

You got it

[cobalt rivet]

[safe urchin]

anyone wanna be a mining scout for me? I'm in a prospector but I'll pay

[umbral rune]

bit random and probably not topical to the channel

but the self destruct function with backspace, is it instant or is there a timer?

[proper phoenix]

again crashed with 49% 5.6k rock

like whyyyyyy does it crash now

[cyan mountain]

If you struggle with instability, get a Brandt module

SABIR gadget aswell if you really want to

They both reduce instability by 75%

[spring prism]

Been having no luck out here between CRU-L1 and ARC-L3 Band 5... I experienced about 18 Ghost/Unscannable Asteroids

[worthy scroll]

There is a countdown.

Well, not a countdown exactly, but a timer.

[bright peak]

What is the 30k cargo protection I see mentioned from time to time?

[worthy scroll]

Used to be if you had cargo in your ship and a 30k happened, you simply lost everything. Now it should come back after a short waiting period.

[umbral rune]

when you say timer, is it
"hold backspace for X seconds and boom"
or
"After confirming self destruct, you got X seconds to gtfo"
?

[worthy scroll]

There is a timer after the self destruct is activated. Length depends on ship, I don't know how long it is for each one.

[umbral rune]

ah ok

I was wondering because I had a jump mission where I couldn't find the last guy (and all allied AI were gone or dead). Ended up finding him though

[umbral rune]

ah, got 30kd

[umbral rune]

anyone figure out a non relog way to fix the arm bug?

obv can't mine if I can't see the laser power

[vast verge]

What's better for group mining 3 prospectors or a mole?

2 friends and I want to mine together but we don't know what's most efficient

[cobalt rivet]

[gentle mortar]

Thanks! Does setting the ping angle to 180 automatically changes the scan output to squares? So far all my scan outputs come out as floaty bits.

Oh yeah I mine mostly on Lyria though

[gentle mortar]

Nooo this happened to me a few hours ago!!

Chris plz fix

[cobalt rivet]

whoel server was jank had to switch

[gentle mortar]

I had like a 6 to 8 quant cluster

Yeah the server I was on failed Siege too

Not only did I waste time qting but I also wasted time staying for the siege rewards

[ivory gust]

yeah if you're on lyria it's different, I was referring to scanning asteroids in space

[gentle mortar]

I read that high quant rocks are less likely in space. Not sure how true is that though

[umbral rune]

oof

was picking up a bunch of hadonite I found and popped with my prospector, and my backpack bugged to think it was full. Ok, np, I have a ship

after a few minutes I no longer can access inventories, got the ring of death

there's still so much hadonite, rip

[ivory gust]

I haven't been to Lyria so I don't have the basis of comparison, but asteroid mining isn't in a good place right now. There's a ton of unscannable rocks which can make finding good stuff difficult.

Plus, the maximum mass of an asteroid is only ~5100, which means you need a higher percentage in order to be able to fill a prospector off a single rock--but on the positive side, does mean you don't need modules to break anything.

[umbral rune]

Meanwhile I've only mined on Lyria, I do see some unscannables as well. Max size for a rock seems to be around ~8200, which a prospector will need modules and a lot of effort to crack

they can also spawn in clusters of 1 to 10 or so, so even if one rock isn't good enough, you may be able to break down it's neighbors to make it a worthwhile haul

that said, sometimes stuff is stuck entirely under the terrain, and is just lost.

[umbral rune]

hey uh, anyone see any issues with this image?

I have a backpack that just thinks it's full.

it has lasted relogs and relaunches, storing and unstoring

maybe converting it to a box item will change something

[ivory gust]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-40778

[umbral rune]

yeah been there, not sure how to replicate this one though sadly

[foggy sail]

anyone wanna help me crack a rock

[gentle mortar]

biggest load I've gotten

could have gotten more if I didn't mess up that 8k 43% quant rock

[hollow sedge]

@gentle mortar you have 2 difference betwin mining in asteroid belt or mining on Lyria moon. In asteroid belt, rocks are around 5.5kmax MASS size, and all clusters are not quant rocks, and on Lyria moon, max MASS size is almost 9k , and all clusters are quant rocks.

[fading escarp]

On the question of, which refine method should I use when I return to a refinery with my raw ore.

[worthy scroll]

Anything that makes money really, how you go about it is up to you. How fast you want to get there is what matters. Bounty missions are probably the fastest way, but that depends on the ships you own and your skill at combat.

[gentle mortar]

Ask somebody with a high rep to help share their bunker missions

I got some of my money that way and went on to grind bunker reps for the rest of it

[marble crater]

Bunkers, Ship bounty hunting & ROC mining are the 3 popular options

[glacial dagger]

You cant anyway

ROC and hand minables have little gem icons and consist of Hadanite, Aphorite and Dolivine

[rugged axle]

Cutty black, roc in back. Fly around pinging. Looking for contacts that first appear at 3km. Fly to it, get closer. Use scan mode to see what type it is. If hadanite. Land, drive roc out and mine it. Rinse and repeat

[woeful pumice]

Roc mining is cool but takes alot of time to do. To fill up a ROC anyway.

[bleak crater]

What is a good cargo run for the MSR

[cyan mountain]

And 30ks screw you up entirely

[spring prism]

If you have a really big cargo ship that stores the roc (IE: Taurus/C2), you're going to be mining for hours (if you can figure out how to transfer cargo.) You'll never get Inert from them since the gems will explode/drop all over the place. The ROC also can't have its mining head changed, so you won't have to worry about dealing with that.

[rugged axle]

Does 30k protection not extend to rocs?

[spring prism]

It's only what, 1-2 SCU? You can see when it happens and then just go back to mining perpetually. Ships (Incl. hoverbikes) and ground vehicles are treated differently iirc, so the ROC might not have the same protection. That might change with the cargo refactor and if/when we get bigger ground cargo trucks.

[cyan mountain]

nope

prospector mining is "safer" in that regard

[spring prism]

I usually choose the Dinyx, because I can always go out and get more mining done while I wait, plus I don't constantly play Star Citizen as my main Online Service.

[rugged axle]

Interesting. I figured it would still count for it. As all ground vehicles are still considered ships

[ivory gust]

!tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[bleak crater]

ty

[rugged axle]

Ain't gonna lie, I run Ferron exclusively now. Costs more. But done in 1 day at most

[ivory gust]

I've started using Ferron when I already have a few jobs finishing soon, but still use Dinyx for the first few jobs

[gentle mortar]

I want to get an 890 before the next patch so I've been running Dinyx and trying to mine every day

[inner elm]

https://youtu.be/tFkvM814hjM

for anyone interested, just completed the above mining guide! would appreciate any feedback and such, I believe it to be fairly in-depth.

[ivory gust]

As already pointed out on reddit, your choice of mining laser and modules is very strange

It seems to offer no advantages over the normal advice of Lancet +Surge x2 +Stampede, while having several downsides

[inner elm]

The reason for that choice is simply increased power output. I would just suggest trying it, the lancet in my testing and other's as well can struggle to fracture some of the higher mass rocks by it self, while the impact with this setup is capable of fracturing any mass rock. All I can say is we all have our own opinions but I suggest you at least try it.

[ivory gust]

You need to use a charge of the Brandt every time you Crack anything, right? Even the smaller chunks?

[inner elm]

Don't have to, but for logical purposes why not? First they cost 2250 aUEC, cheap! Second If you break a large enough mass rock (which this build is intended to do) you will fill your 32 SCUs on that node alone.

[ivory gust]

Lancet can also break large mass rocks using surge and stampede, and doesn't need a Brandt for smaller ones.

How do you deal with the high instability of Quantanium without using a charge of the Brandt?

And I'm not sure how you're filling your hold on only one break. At least when I'm mining, the first break gives me chunks of 700-900 mass, and then I need to break them again in order to extract

[inner elm]

Yes so on average I have noticed somewhere around 800-1000 mass will equal about 10 SCUs, so say you have a 9000 mass rock with 30% quantanium, thats not too common but its not unreasonable. 9000 mass at 30% will yield ~3000 total mass quantanium.

[thin escarp]

42 minute guide man

[inner elm]

Also this is my recommendation as I stated in the video if you have a setup that works, this is the one that I like. Also if lancet also requires 2 consumable modules whats the real difference other than opinion.

[thin escarp]

thats rough

[ivory gust]

Lancet only needs the consumables for very large rocks, though...you need the consumable for everything

And yeah, 42min is very long

[inner elm]

Yes 42 minutes, intended to cover every aspect of mining

[ivory gust]

Has anyone figured out what the actual math around laser power, rock mass, and rock resistance is?

[inner elm]

It is segmented into chapters however, if you wish to only view information pertaining to a certain aspect of mining just find the section you wish. Appreciate the feedback from everyone

[humble furnace]

where do i bring refined materials?

[royal cairn]

TDD in any big city

[cyan mountain]

this game is rigged

i find a 6k 45% rock

30k

[gaunt fiber]

anyone have a Valk that would let me test drive before I buy? Thinking of using it as my primary ROC mining ship and I hear it flies better than most ships in atmo.

[cyan mountain]

i dont think a valk can hold a roc

[versed plinth]

I think you're confused with another ship. Valk can hold 2 rocs.

[cyan mountain]

i must have

now you got me thinking, which one is it?

[onyx crow]

The Anvil Valkyrie, def can hold 2 ROC's if not more

might be a little rough getting more in though

[timid oyster]

whats the best city to sell refined quantanium to?

[onyx crow]

They are all the same price

[timid oyster]

oh

[onyx crow]

so whichever is closer

whether that changes sometime in the future, who knows

[timid oyster]

then whats with all the buy this resource here and sell it there?

[umbral rune]

other items aren't a flat rate

[onyx crow]

That's for buying and selling trade

[royal cairn]

i think the only thing for quantanium is where you refine it right?

like 1-3% increase which is so tiny

[timid oyster]

so that doesnt apoly to selling refined ores to a TDD?

[onyx crow]

correct

[timid oyster]

k thx

[onyx crow]

np

[timid oyster]

whats the minimum scu for a near full orodpector worthif refined quantanium?

[ivory gust]

Prospector carries 32 SCU of ore.

[timid oyster]

i was about 3 quaters full

[ivory gust]

If you use the most efficient refining method, you'll end up with just over 31 SCU of refined ore.

[onyx crow]

which if full of quant will convert to ~240k

[ivory gust]

are you asking what ship you should use to transport?

[timid oyster]

yea

i have a rental cutty is that enough?

[ivory gust]

If you're going to rent a ship for this, it'll depend on how much you have to transport. You can't split a load.

Rental options:
Cutlass Black 46 SCU
Freelancer 66 SCU
Constellation Andromeda 96 SCU

Note that there's currently a bug that expired rental ships will still appear in the terminal--make sure you're delivering to the correct ship! I recommend filling all your expired rentals with scrap (sold by the admin terminal in the galleria) to avoid accidentally delivering ore to them.

Yes, a Cutlass holds 46 SCU, so if you're only hauling one prospector load at a time (why though?) that's enough.

[onyx crow]

Take note, you won't see your q in the cargo of your ship, don't freak out, it's there

[ivory gust]

If you decide you like prospector mining and want to stick with it long term, you'll probably want to buy your own hauler.

Worthwhile purchasing options:
Argo RAFT: 96 SCU, 1.9M aUEC
MISC Freelancer MAX: 120 SCU, 2.2M aUEC
RSI Constellation Taurus: 174 SCU, 3.3M aUEC
Drake Caterpillar: 564 SCU, 4.7M aUEC
Crusader C2 Hercules Starlifter: 696 SCU, 4.9M aUEC

[timid oyster]

because someone sold me the location of quantanium on lyria 30 mins before my prospector rental expired

[ivory gust]

you mined quant with a rented prospector?

[onyx crow]

eeek

[timid oyster]

the guy who sold me the location used their prospector to help me fracture it

[onyx crow]

ah

lucky

[ivory gust]

that was nice of him

but yes, your cutlass will be enough to haul a single prospector load

[timid oyster]

i still feel like i spent too much uec on that lol

[onyx crow]

on the rental?

[ivory gust]

how much did you pay?

[timid oyster]

no on the location of the quantanium i spent 180k for it

[onyx crow]

oh sheeesh

[ivory gust]

yeah, you got scammed

a 100% full prospector load only goes for 270k

that said, the other guy also did the work to break the rock, so 🤷

[timid oyster]

so i should be able to at least make back what i spent with my quantanium haul?

[onyx crow]

if you have a full cutty worth of q, yes

[ivory gust]

he said about 3/4 full, so 24 SCU? 210k or thereabouts

[timid oyster]

when i left i had about 3 quaters of the ore hold full

[onyx crow]

not too bad

do you own the cutty?

[timid oyster]

is it possible to transport refined ores in multiple trips?

[onyx crow]

you can't split a work order if that's what you mean

[timid oyster]

can i say take about of it in my titan and then more of it and so on?

[ivory gust]

No, you can't split a work order

The entire thing must be delivered to a ship in one go

[onyx crow]

or some of it and the rest ditched

of the 1 work order

[timid oyster]

so i have to transport all of it at once?

[ivory gust]

Yes, we've now said that several times

[onyx crow]

off of 1 work order yes

if you have multiple work orders, you can save the others for later

1 work order it's either all or none

.

[onyx crow]

After your delivery, I'd recommend forgetting about the rented prospector. Go rent a ROC, load it up in your cutty and go mining for Hadanite until you can afford a prospector.

[spring prism]

I concur with buying a Prospector

One of the best investments you can make if you have the patience for metal mining

[deep fern]

Is the mole having issues scanning or is it just mine?

[umbral rune]

I did end up figuring out how to replicate this, but it has already been reported on issue council and confirmed so that's good

just don't sell to terminal from backpack

on another note, anyone got any methods of item transfer between inventory, or just "keep click n draggon and suffer"?

[onyx crow]

click n drag

[umbral rune]

at this point I'd consider setting up an AHK script to repeat action click and drag from left to right from top left slot, but faster... and hope that isn't caught by the anticheat

[onyx crow]

I've heard of setting your resolution smaller to make the inventories closer, but sounds like too much trouble

[umbral rune]

yeah I'd sooner do the script

when I have a pembroke with 100 chunks of hadonite, and a bug that if I sell from the backpack it remains "full", click and drag just don't cut it

[onyx crow]

yea, hopefully soon they'll come out with a transfer or transfer all button

at some point in time

[umbral rune]

yeah, though this has been requested for a good while now

[onyx crow]

but people have been saying that for about 10 years now lol

or however long inventories have been around

idk

[umbral rune]

honestly give me a checkbox
"double click goes to:
[ ] Equip
[X] Other Inventory"

[onyx crow]

or a ctrl click

[royal cairn]

I tried to make a move from current cursor location to left or right but couldnt get it to work properly, might try doing it some other time

that way u can do small amounts if u wanted

[umbral rune]

I'm way too rusty on AHK (been no less than 4 years) but I know it's possible

[marble saffron]

[umbral rune]

always feels good to get a pure load

[onyx crow]

nice

grats

[crimson oak]

its very satisfying

[umbral rune]

I just got back-to-back 30k

[crimson oak]

😦 sucks

[fluid sun]

what's a good place to try roc mining?

[meager gorge]

Aberdeen

[onyx crow]

Aberdeen is good, but requires the pembroke suit, I personally use daymar. Just need get a set of armor, pref heavy.

[fluid sun]

why heavy?

[onyx crow]

gives more temp resistance

it's a hot planet

[fluid sun]

daymar too?

[onyx crow]

not as hot as aberdeen but yes

[fluid sun]

ah okay, ty ty

[onyx crow]

np