industrial-professions

[nova elm]

Finally it will work

[marble crater]

you can still fly up to everything in solo mole but it's going to be way slower now

[nova elm]

Then get a mole. Ifw I have one bought I can let you

[lyric nest]

yea. true i thought when i got a c2 i would never want another ship but here i am again thinking of melting it lol

[nova elm]

c2?

[rain lava]

The actual cargo state don’t help for cargo ship

[rain lava]

Hercules c2 white big cargo

[nova elm]

Oh yeah

[lyric nest]

i guess ill start playing less so i dont melt my c2 out of spite of being bored lol

[nova elm]

Hahaha

Someone wanna mine with me? I'm in a mole searching for a cargo (cargo mole isn't working)

[trim bolt]

wheres a good place to buy cargo in micro tech system

[lyric nest]

oh talkin about vehicles etc. How is the drake mule? what exactly can you do with it rn? i seen it has box racks on the sides

[nova elm]

drake mule?

Oh

Nvm i see

[marble crater]

well scrap what I said solo Mole still good just gotta use the new scanning trick of focused scans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1vb_gMEHQ0

[rain lava]

I know there is a website to make route but I don’t remember the name

[nova elm]

Ye i know

[lyric nest]

lol i looked it up to see was i saying the correct thing lol

[nova elm]

I'm playing in ptu too

[nova elm]

hahah sorry

[rain lava]

On ptu mole work I think

[trim bolt]

im using gallog but the only good place I know is in arcorp

[rain lava]

Move to Arcorp if you know where trade there

[trim bolt]

yeah but im at mt rn lol

ill figure it out ig

[lyric nest]

it seems like a box carriers in the current state of the game. but missions only gib you 3 boxes unless they are the unstable boxes. BUT isnt a tractor beam faster lol

it kinda doesnt make since to use one to do stuff

[rain lava]

If your ship is not park near the objective (to avoid turret for t2delivery ) you can use that to gain some time

[lyric nest]

yea thats the only reason i see a use so far. to not risk your ships location or to combat

[hollow sedge]

where do u trade scrap?

[rain lava]

Buying or selling ?

[hollow sedge]

selling

[rain lava]

https://sc-trade.tools/home

Look on this website

[hollow sedge]

oo thank u!!

[rain lava]

@trim bolt I found the name

[trim bolt]

ah yeah perfect

[rain lava]

Have fun hope your trading work well

[trim bolt]

gallog is better but its buggier than star citizen

and not working rn

[rain lava]

XD

[north oyster]

Have you spent a lot of time in the Prospector and the MOLE? If you are just getting into mining, I would suggest the Prospector. It prints money and you can earn enough to buy the MOLE in a day or two in-game. I can make faster turns in a Prospector than one can in a MOLE if you are soloing. If you are doing multi-crew then the MOLE wins hands down.

[north oyster]

MOLE is working great in new build.

[north oyster]

Sell Scrap at Cru L5, Hur L5, Mic L1, Arc L1

Depending upon the market at the time, you can pull about 28K aUEC profit in a C2 full of scrap

It is a fast and easy run. Then you can also get Gold at Humbolt in Lyria for a good run

Titanium at Bezdek on Arial to Lorville CBD for a good run (buy what ever Laranite happens to be there first)

Astatine from Woodruff & Ryder on Ida to Lorville CBD is a fantastic run if you can fill up

[cerulean lichen]

Agricium from mines to salvage yards is also a good one

[north oyster]

TDD also buy Agricium too

[cerulean lichen]

Really any trade good is viable. It really comes down to how much you can invest to start and how easy is it to come across. Like lanarite on paper looks amazing to trade but it’s very hard to find a lot of it

[stray spoke]

is there any way to quickly transfer ores from the roc in to your backpack?

[cerulean lichen]

You can sell directly from the roc. Just pull it out of the ship you fly the roc in and go to a trade terminal to sell the inventory of the roc

[nova elm]

How to turn on the turret from the mole?

[cerulean lichen]

You do know you can sell directly from the roc inventory right?

[stray spoke]

yea i found out thx

[north oyster]

The F key with left click should allow interaction. I don't know if the standard "r" key for Ready works.

[north oyster]

I have always sold the gems straight from the ROC. Remember to replace your ROC every two or three trips. I sometimes would reclaim it every trip. Be sure to back it out of the ship before you do a claim!! Not that I am speaking from experience or anything

[stray spoke]

thanks dan

[north oyster]

I sure hope 3.17.2 drops to LIVE today

[nova elm]

next week not today

[north oyster]

how did you come to that conclusion?

[nova elm]

Because wave 3 just came

[north oyster]

I've seen them go from Wave 1 to LIVE in one day, LOL

It's all speculation, so I do agree we really won't know

[fallen atlas]

Bad practice to release a patch before the weekend, but we'll see.

[north oyster]

If "bad practice" was avoided, 3.17.1 would've never been released. A couple of years ago, Wednesday/Thursday use to be the normal patch day

[sacred raptor]

they were up against a wall (invictus) with .1 and they had to release

unfortunate timing

[north oyster]

true, and it's almost Meme level how bad the patches are that involve Free Fly promotions

[nova elm]

If it's coming today how are we gonna iknow?

[north oyster]

(How you will know it is going LIVE, my apologies for not making it clear I was answering the Question) BAM!! Server is down for patch update ... is pretty much the tradition from CIG

[nova elm]

DAMM

Thank's

love that

Hox much time the down?

THE MOLEEE WILL BEEE GOOOOODDD

The servers are not down !

[nova elm]

They're not down

[sacred raptor]

they were saying that's typically the process

ninja edit

[north oyster]

My fault for not making it clear ... I edited it about 1 second before you posted the clarification LOL

[keen frost]

you may have broken a few hearts there.

[nova elm]

:c

[cobalt rivet]

ah yes, gem mining

the eternal quest to run back and forth from refinery to ship

[fallen atlas]

Don't forget to pray you don't 30k before getting back to your ship.

[cobalt rivet]

why dont they just let us dump all the gems at the mining stations

like store ROC and then sell gems

[fallen atlas]

I mean, there should be risk involved with getting those goods sold, I just wish the risk was pirates instead of server/client crashes

[cobalt rivet]

tbf bugs in this game is like the major adversaries for anything

you're more likely to die to bugs in a bunker than the AI

[fallen atlas]

Elevator PvE is harder than any other PvE in the game

[cobalt rivet]

ive only got sucked into elevator once, lukily

[fallen atlas]

I got locked in Grim Hex hangar elevators last night. Just stopped moving mid-transport and wouldn't move again.

[cobalt rivet]

thats not too bad, just relog

grim hex isnt as big as it appears to be

[stray spoke]

what is generally the best refining method?

[cobalt rivet]

most profit usually the slowest

you want low cost, low speed, high yield

takes a day for full load

but its passive so you can keep going

and in a day's time you will have very expensive cargo

well... depends on your ore, but if you're smart you;ll go for quantanium

[stray spoke]

i mined mainly 340 borase and 388 larenite (i don't have a good miner head)

[cobalt rivet]

think the current best is solvent something'

[stray spoke]

would i get alot from that i mined with the solvent method? @cobalt rivet

[cobalt rivet]

I honestly don't know the numbers. I just know that one gives you back the best payout

The other one I know of is Feril Exchange or something like that, its quicker but it cost more to refine

they both yield the same but the exchange once costs more is all

[marble crater]

You don't refine gems though or am I missing something?

[cobalt rivet]

think hes just talking about refine method, so I would assume hes doing ore

[stray spoke]

yea i am

[north oyster]

3.17.2 WILL NOT going live today, one more patch

[cobalt rivet]

3months later

[north oyster]

they're not rushing because this will probably or possibly could be the LAST PATCH this year, or close to it

MurderVadors seem to be an issue

[marble crater]

Yeah might be last patch till 3.18 & they very rarely do hot fix patches

[north oyster]

And 3.18 will probably be very late ... November to December or so

[cobalt rivet]

🎄

[marble crater]

It'll have like 3 months of ptu hell just for 3.18

[cobalt rivet]

might as well just live in PTU

[north oyster]

The Evocati will be sacrificed with glea

SoulCrushing(tm)

[marble crater]

Then gotta wonder if there's another wipe for it

[north oyster]

100%

[marble crater]

It's a huge patch

[cobalt rivet]

when was last wipe

[north oyster]

3.15

[cobalt rivet]

so...

prob a few months?

[north oyster]

there was 18months before that

[marble crater]

3.16 didn't add much

3.15 was huge

[verbal cargo]

yea, probably spend more time playing with 3.18 PTU than grinding in 3.17.2 they need to figure out a way to let us keep aUEC,

[cobalt rivet]

is 3.18 coming with something that would justify wipe tho?

[north oyster]

3.15 was big enough to warrant a version change if it was being done by an other software company

3.18 will be the biggest changes in the game to date

[marble crater]

Yeah 3.18 has alot of changes

[north oyster]

Cargo Refactor, Entity streaming

massive changes that touch every part of the game

[marble crater]

Salvage too

[cobalt rivet]

man that cargo refactoring tho XD

piracy will be off the hook

[marble crater]

Each 1 of those things could've been it's own patch. All 3 is huge

[cobalt rivet]

I dragged a few gems into my local inventory in the moon and the 30 k hit

gg ptu

gonna assume I caused the 30k

[marble crater]

As soon as you loaded the roc the server was in jeopardy

[cobalt rivet]

roc mining is sorta fun

just because I get to drive that thing around

[marble crater]

It's the only gameplay for ground vehicles currently which is sad

[cobalt rivet]

well, JT has good ground vehicle play

also on siege, we uh.. did a hot landing and drove a tank out

[marble crater]

That's a limited time event though

[cobalt rivet]

not sure why there was a star runner with a tank in it

but we took it out for spin

either a star runner or C2

I don't know ships that well

I just know it had front and back ram

rampo

[marble crater]

C2 holds a tonk

[cobalt rivet]

ye we took that shit up to the admin platform and did a hot landing

ship was pitched down on ramp and we just rolled out

it was pretty nasty

[north oyster]

I saw a Tonk on the platform in a video, blew my mind, LOL

Morphologist was in that one

[cobalt rivet]

I feel the over abundance outpurposed vehicle puts a burden on them having to come up with reasons for why people would need them. Or they will just end up with GTA 5 gameplay where people just take out their bombers and nuke random people out of boredom

[north oyster]

finding the balance is a lifetime endeavor, but "extras and features" don't make a great game.

[cobalt rivet]

its their own fault really, they added the vehicle before adding the purpose

[north oyster]

Fund raising is its own force of nature

looking at the DS

[cobalt rivet]

DS has a purpose, just sucks that it doesnt fit my cutty

:<

[north oyster]

I don't view it in a nice light like you do

[cobalt rivet]

mining is fun, moving the cargo is a pain

there has to be a faster way to move all those gems

[north oyster]

oh, I love mining and I love the ROC. I bought one right off the bad with LTI and I still own it

I have never moved gems except from the ROC to the Outpost by the kiosk

[cobalt rivet]

ROC mining is a lot more fun than prospector mining IMO

[north oyster]

agreed

[cobalt rivet]

but I have a fondness for driving offroad

[north oyster]

I mine with the Prospector to print space bucks. I mine with the ROC to have fun

[cobalt rivet]

I wonder if I could just like mine only and then sell the rocks to people at the fac

come pick up gems at half price

[north oyster]

well, the "come pick up" would be your greatest risk

[cobalt rivet]

ye

those sites are not protected.. at all

[north oyster]

if going through that much effort, just sell them directly and reap the fruits of your labor

[cobalt rivet]

thats a lot of trips tho D:

I just want to rove around moon!

[north oyster]

well, the little ROC isn't that durable atm

you are forced to repair or claim pretty often

[cobalt rivet]

DS pretty tanky

took a rock explosion and several rolls

[north oyster]

same components though

[marble crater]

Yeah I don't transfer gems just sell it straight out of the roc

[cobalt rivet]

how do you sell i straight from ROC

[north oyster]

you land on the pad, go to the terminal and sell the gems

Any outpost buys them

[cobalt rivet]

wait

[north oyster]

LOL

[marble crater]

Yep any ground outpost

[cobalt rivet]

what kind of pad

[north oyster]

the landing pads at the outpost

[marble crater]

HDMS or Mining Facility outpost I should say

[north oyster]

and if the terminal doesn't see your inventory, then just back the ROC out of the ship

[cobalt rivet]

so just park the the ROC on the landing pad and then go towhich building

[north oyster]

you don't have to take her out of the ship unless there is a problem

[cobalt rivet]

oh

wtf

maaaaaan

[keen frost]

there is a small screen in the building with an Orange LIght

[cobalt rivet]

ok, this doesnt sound so bad

[north oyster]

😆

saves tons of time

BUT remember to repair or claim a new ROC ever couple of trips

[marble crater]

Yah super quick, then claim a new roc for your next trip while there

[cobalt rivet]

does it sell for less or something

or does it sell same price

[north oyster]

nope, price if fixed

[cobalt rivet]

well damn

[north oyster]

glad we got that straight

[cobalt rivet]

I know what I am doing for money next wipe

[north oyster]

oh yes, the ROC mining is perfect

cheap to get into and start earning quickly

Do you have a ship that can carry her?

[cobalt rivet]

the small ROC yes, the cutty

[north oyster]

that is the perfect package

[cobalt rivet]

ik ik

cutty is bae

[north oyster]

Only 4K to rent the ROC and then you earn enough to buy in one trip

[cobalt rivet]

does everything well for starting out

[north oyster]

yes, the Cutty is the Swiss Army Knife of Star Citizen

[marble crater]

The other option is at a space station, store your ship and sell at the Admin Office but outposts are quicker

[cobalt rivet]

well if I can call the DS at the mining fac, I could just run that bich til its full and sell right there

wouldnt even need the ship

[north oyster]

I think that might be a difficult adventure

[marble crater]

You could but that's gonna be slow going

[north oyster]

The distances are WAY further than you realize

[cobalt rivet]

at full throttle it goes pretty damn fast

I played around with it earlier

[north oyster]

okie dokie, but have a back up plan

[cobalt rivet]

gonna see if DS is worth running without ship

[north oyster]

I would say just work with the regular ROC and don't mess with the DS

[cobalt rivet]

if it fails ill just stick with ROC in cutty

[marble crater]

I'd rather 2 normal rocs in a cutty than a ds

[cobalt rivet]

playing around with ideas in PTU

so you can only hit small rocks with the GEM icon right

[north oyster]

correct

[marble crater]

Yah all the rock icons are for Ship mining

[cobalt rivet]

whats top 3 gems to mine

[north oyster]

Hadanite, Hadanite, Hadanite

[cobalt rivet]

oh, I might need cutty then XD

[north oyster]

there are only 3 gems anyway

[cobalt rivet]

if i gotta be selective

[north oyster]

yeah, Dolivine is garbage

[onyx crow]

Aphorite is on par with Dolivine

[ivory gust]

The normal ROC would be better than the DS for this, since there are advantages to being able to scan for gems while in mining mode

[north oyster]

I rarely ever see Aphorite

[ivory gust]

Aphorite is better than Dolivine, easier to mine and sells for a bit more

[north oyster]

The instability of Aphorite is < 1
Dolivine is >2
Hadanite is 1.01 to 1.99

Dolivine is both worthless and a pain to mine

[marble crater]

Screw Dolivine

[north oyster]

the only good Dolivine is on the dead body of NPC or loot box

[cobalt rivet]

you also have to consider the time it takes to find the gems

[misty coyote]

I don't understand why dolvine is written the least

[north oyster]

Aberdeen is the motherland for Hadanite

[cobalt rivet]

is it!?

reeeeee

is that the prison planet?

[marble crater]

Aberdeen & Arial are both great

[north oyster]

agreed, I forget about Arial

[cobalt rivet]

where is Arial

[marble crater]

Need the fatboy Pembroke suit

Next to Aberdeen lol

[cobalt rivet]

oh ok

so hurston

[north oyster]

Hadanite spawns in the hottest of planets

[marble crater]

Yah both Hurston

[north oyster]

Daymar does have some, but harder to find

[ivory gust]

Arial doesn't need the Pembroke nearly as much as Aberdeen does. You have 15-ish minutes before death in just an undersuit

[cobalt rivet]

so whats up with all the ruins on hurston surface btw

what are they

like stone pillars and ship debri

[marble crater]

Salvage/scrap city

There's an epic junkyard too

[onyx crow]

On Arial, you're good with heavy armor across every suit piece, maybe a medium here or there

[cobalt rivet]

[marble crater]

Definitely check out the huge scrapyard

[cobalt rivet]

gonna take DS on joyride/mining expedition on Aberdeen

hopefully I dont run into convicts

[north oyster]

Aberdeen does have the blackest nights in the system, freaking waking in pure ink

[cobalt rivet]

damn

[north oyster]

Here's a trick @cobalt rivet , if you QT to OM-1 and dive down, it is always daylight under OM-1

[cobalt rivet]

I say it before I say it again, this game has the craziest realism in terms of like planetary atmosphere. I just wish there were an air of terror from being alone out in the middle of nowhere in the dark during a storm

like creepy critters

[fallen atlas]

Some day when stealth is worked out and there's 50k people in one server

[north oyster]

3.17.2s PTU.8145195 Patch Notes are out, the update to the PTU will becoming soon

6 hour Siege of Orison this Sunday

I've been mining and running trade to build aUEC and testing aspects of trade, mining and filling up the wallet

They will be testing 120 player cap on the servers

[sacred raptor]

PTU update is available gogogo

[worthy scroll]

30k'd almost immediately after the servers came back up lol.

[fallen atlas]

off to a good start then.

They're just making sure 30k still works

[worthy scroll]

Priorities.

Ooh, another one. They're really testing them.

I'm not sure the servers are handling the 120 player limit well lol.

[fallen atlas]

I think that's actually the idea

[worthy scroll]

Yeah

[fallen atlas]

It'll be reduced during siege window on Sunday

[sacred raptor]

i 30k'd twice before even getting to connect. then another 30k fairly quickly before server capacity had even spun up. assuming it's just a startup quirk for now

[worthy scroll]

Probably. Mine have been before I could get out of bed, and then less than 5m in.

[vast bridge]

:drake: howdy

[misty coyote]

Can you load items from a loot box into a cargo crate that's in local inv? So drag directly into it? Or do you have to be holding the crate?

[glacial dagger]

So the small hand held boxes you can carry, I believe you should be able to shift stuff from one to another. I'm not 100% sure though, So I reccomend you try and do this somewhere with a local inventory, either a ship, station or outpost

[misty coyote]

What am I thinking... Backpacks exist

[glacial dagger]

...yes?

[north oyster]

You may know this but what I do at outpost that have wonderful loot options (food, water, multitool, armor, clothes, etc) is that I drag them into the Outpost inventory then when in the ship I drag them into the ship inventory. The ability to select multiple times will be a huge quality of life improvement, that is for sure!!

I forget about backpacks all the time because I normally don't wear them

At the Siege of Orison, the backpack is important because there is not inventory to use except what is on you.

[misty coyote]

I was thinking of going into the grocers business.

Put all fruit into a backpack, sell them at the admin.....

You can sell them in 1 go, as opposed to selling items individually

[misty coyote]

Not even bulk, but one click move would work....

Send left or right depending... Would make a huge difference

[ivory gust]

Some of the seemingly basic game mechanics that have been in games for decades but star Citizen doesn't have (like "loot all") just baffle me

[north oyster]

I can see why loot all isn't a thing but for management of inventory you have, a bulk action method is a must

[fallen atlas]

Soon ™️

[cobalt rivet]

BULK WHEN!?

reeeeeeeeeeeee

[north oyster]

I'll go out on a limb and say 3.18

[deep owl]

so how is the game?

[cobalt rivet]

regul;ar ROC arm handles like shit

[hollow sedge]

how can i do it ? XD and can i steal metallurgist armor ?

[marble crater]

Are you pressing M to go into mining mode?

[cobalt rivet]

Ye

For some reason when you exceed its reach, the arm control goes inverted

Rather than just stopping the arm

And soemthing about the off center aim and heat gage is eye scratchingly irritating

[marble crater]

being the regular roc though you can just reposition the orientation from the main seat

still so much quicker than getting out and swapping seats

[ivory gust]

I had that happen once, don't remember what ended up fixing it

[civic portal]

Im currently at HUR L1 and want to sell the inert materials my ship collected while mining but it wont let me sell them anywhere. Is there something im missing?

[misty coyote]

You can't sell inert materials?

You have to do things in batches.

[civic portal]

Oh, then the Internet told me lies...

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Inert Materials

Said "bought by HUR L1, ..."

[misty coyote]

... Huh...

Comodoties are a bought at the admin offices... Could try there.

Whenever you sell ore, you have to pay them to take the inert materials.

Refining them just dumps them.

This tool isn't totally accurate... I've seen price differences.... Maybe they stopped buying it.

[north oyster]

The current 3.17.1 LIVE build has a lot of issues. The test patch about to go live is very promising

It could go to Live this week

[stray spoke]

what do you use the argo cargo for, it's so small

[pastel flame]

Being a hipster

[marble crater]

is the rep gained from Combat Assist missions in ptu tied to location like regular bounties?

[fallen atlas]

Seems to be. I've got crazy rep with Crusader and have been doing them almost exclusively. There's a separate rep thing for civilian defense force, but it's not progressing. Also this is #industrial-professions

[marble crater]

lmao wrong spot

[ivory gust]

Are you at the refinery center ore selling console?

Inert materials aren't really something you try to sell, they're basically waste that fills the hold instead of useful ore

But ores are dealt with at the refinery center, not the admin.

[forest frigate]

How is ROC mining in 3.17.2? Thinking of renting a Roc to make my first million or so.

[misty coyote]

!interested

[forest frigate]

I just don’t know how viable it is! I haven’t Roc mined since like 3.15 or so. It was busted for a while.

[pastel flame]

It's definitely viable, especially with inventory working better.

[forest frigate]

Good to know! Guess my plan is to rent a Roc, and head to Arial once the wipe happens! Is that still the best place for hadanite?

[scarlet sinew]

Auberdeen

[pastel flame]

Subjective, multiple good options imo

[ivory gust]

Aberdeen is technically better than Arial, but on Arial you can get by without the Pembroke suit if you're careful.

Daymar gets an honorable mention as third place and also is much nicer to look at than either of the above. No Pembroke needed at all (still need undersuit and helmet)

[pastel flame]

I'm partial to Daymar but I tend to always be in Crusader.

[north oyster]

Very viable path. The ROC can pull over 200K aUEC per trip. So you can earn big coin with that 4K aUEC retail fee. You will need a transport ship

[misty coyote]

You're looking at about 30k initial outlay with ROC and Cutty rentals... But that's barely 20 minutes mining time.

[north oyster]

30K aUEC, not 30K server crash 😳

[forest frigate]

Yeah, I’ve got a cutlass pledged, so what I’ll do is bring everything over to CruL2, rent the roc, head over to daymar and get mining! Thanks everybody!

[crimson oak]

its worth actually buying a roc if you enjoy it, they're pretty cheap to buy, only about 2-300k

[forest frigate]

I have a prospector, but I want to make a few hundred thousand to get everything outfitted, before I start really grinding Quantanium. I’ll just rent one. I think they cost like 150k if my memory serves me correctly.

[ivory gust]

172k to buy, 4.3k to rent for a day

Biggest advantage of buying is that you don't have to swing back by a mining outpost to re-claim every day before starting mining

[ivory gust]

to see where to rent stuff, go to https://uexcorp.space/ships and click on the number in the "In-game / Rent" column

[odd lintel]

Silly question - can you still request a ROC from any vehicle terminal, or is it tied to a physical location like ships are? Haven’t messed with ROC mining in like a year, but may come back to it this patch

[sacred raptor]

you can claim it from any vehicle terminal

but claiming will clear out its inventory if you have gems stored in it

same as inventory with any other vehicle or ship

[onyx crow]

Has anyone done the hauling of the illegal space drugs here?

[sacred raptor]

i've hauled a few SCU of slam a few times

[onyx crow]

Does the money pay good?

Where do you go to sell such slam?

[sacred raptor]

it pays well but the refresh rate for slam is pretty bad. it took 5-10 minutes to sell 4scu

sc-trade.tools is a good tool to use for trading

[onyx crow]

Is it literally referred to as slam in the game? I have no idea ... would make it alot easier to use trade tools with a name 😄

and is there only 1 illegal trade?

[sacred raptor]

yeah it's called "SLAM"

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/SLAM

[sacred raptor]

what do you mean?

[onyx crow]

1 illegal commodity*

not trade

[sacred raptor]

oh...no there are several

check out [[Drugs]]

[alpine orbit]

https://starcitizen.tools/Drugs

[onyx crow]

thanks

[pastel flame]

Drugs are a pain to do big profit with, stims are similar and pretty decent though! Plus Jumptown is big drug money.

[glossy delta]

I have no idea how to collect cargo

[sacred raptor]

you need to go to a terminal that sells it. when you purchase you choose your ship as the storage location in the top left.

you can find places to buy and sell with !tradetools

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[glossy delta]

Well I’m doing a cargo contract I arrived at my destination but it’s just a broken ship floating around and I can’t visually see any cargo but don’t really know what I’m looking for or how to pick it up

[sacred raptor]

ohhh....what's the mission name?

[glossy delta]

Cargo recovery, it’s a search contract

I’m supposed to be looking for a hydrogen shipment that was lost

[sacred raptor]

i haven't done the cargo search missions but if they're anything like the people search missions you'll need to go interact with cargo things (boxy most likely) and then the mission will prompt you with what you need to do

[glossy delta]

Is there a proper way to secure cargo inside a ship if you carried it on?

[sacred raptor]

no just place it

[native plank]

What the best resource to mine with ROC?

[hazy vault]

hadanite

or the green one

forgor what its called

go to daymar/aberdeen surface and look for gem icon

[ivory gust]

Blue, not green.

Hadanite best, Aphorite (blue) distant 2nd, Dolovine (green) distant 3rd

[native plank]

Tried ROC mining, died the first time as I had no helmet on in Aberdeen and I thin the heat cooked me inside the ROC. Died the second time randomly I'm assuming for the heat but I was in the ROC with the Pembroke armour on, still said had 7mins survival, oh well.

[ivory gust]

The ROC is not sealed, so yes you still need to have a suit and helmet on

Aberdeen is bad because you need the Pembroke. Try Ariel instead, or Daymar. Ariel you have 13-15min survival with just an undersuit and helmet, Daymar you have 30min+

[ivory gust]

Did you have the Pembroke helmet as well?

[marble crater]

7 minutes doesn't sound right if in full Pembroke suit

[native plank]

Yep

Going to chalk it up to a bug

[molten wolf]

so ive been wanting to grind for a mole. can i single crew it?

like get out of pilot seat and into a miner seat

[onyx crow]

It's possible but it's not the most efficient

[molten wolf]

i know was just curious cause sometimes ill have peeps with me but other times i wont

[onyx crow]

def possible

You'll just have to run from the mining turret to the pilots cockpit back and forth

[marble crater]

I did alot of solo Mole in 3.15/3.16. works well but it's a slow process

[onyx crow]

and hope that you don't overcharge any because you aren't backing away without hopping out of the seat running all the way to the pilots seat and making there before going boom

[marble crater]

you'll want to go to Lyria for solo as the current scan technique in the Halo requires the use of a mining head. Lyria is fine with the regular ship scanner though

[molten wolf]

right

[tardy flower]

Greetings everyone,

3.18 will came with the cargo systeme refactor.
Does the Mole and Prospector will be able to drop our bags ?
Or maybe in another patch ?

Thank you and have a great day!

[glacial dagger]

I believe if the cargo refactor is as CIG has referenced, then yes, ships like the MOLE, Prospector and RAFT will eventually be able to drop their ore/cargo containers off for another ship to pick up

[hollow sedge]

hey i need help, with mining, when my prospector is full and and got a station i store right? cargo is save? and i get i need to refine ores and sell them somewhere else. but what ores i dont wana refine and inert matrerial where do i sell these?

do i have to store my ship after a mining run or keep on pad? cuz i heard it can glitch ur cargo if u store

[onyx crow]

yes, you store your ship, and once stored, the cargo is safe. You refine the ores at the refinery and then will need to haul them with a different ship to any of the cities TDD

[north oyster]

For all Miners This issue council will need your contribution. I have had issues of drift while in coupled mode. Please contribute if you've seen this
https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-44396

[glacial dagger]

So, storing a mining ship at a refinary station will indeed save your cargo. However, you can only either set up a refinary deal or sell your cargo, no in-between. This means if you have 14SCU of quant ore and 12SCU of Quarts ore and you only refine the quant, the quarts will get deleted

[glacial dagger]

Are you perhaps mining solo in a Mole planet/moon side by any chance?

[north oyster]

No, solo mining Aaron's Halo in a Prospector

No environmental issues here

[glacial dagger]

How are you getting drift then?

[north oyster]

Coupling mode isn't keeping the ship stationary

[glacial dagger]

Hmm, odd. Are you in game rn?

[north oyster]

Unfortunately no

Originally thought it might have been an issue with my joysticks but it doesn't matter how large the deadzone is

The direction of drifting is also random

Based off of last thrust direction sometimes

[ivory gust]

Where are you in that video?

[north oyster]

I didn't upload the video, that was the OP. I think there was another IC ticket about drift that might had gotten confirmed already so not sure if this is a duplicate. But I contributed to it also

[north oyster]

CIG indicated they may actually raise the player cap for servers if testing proves good

[hollow sedge]

where can i sell my material?

[sacred raptor]

you can check !tradetools for each commodity

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[ivory gust]

What material?

If you mined it with a Prospector or Mole, you go to the refinery deck and can either sell the raw ore, or set up a refining job to refine the ore. If you refine it, you'll need to load it onto a cargo ship an deliver it to a major city on a planet.

https://youtu.be/RfIALfibmWk?t=695

[meager gorge]

Does anyone know a good discord bot for mining? I saw one that tells you distances to certain mining areas from your location.

[ivory gust]

Why would you want a discord bot for that? It's a web page... https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[meager gorge]

I’ve looked over that and it’s fantastic, I use it. I have seen a bot that you can enter a chat command and it’ll give you a route based on where you are. Just thought it was neat and useful.

[gaunt fiber]

I believe the bot in the UEMC discord does that. I’m also making a discord bot, but it’s currently in alpha and doesn’t do location based info like you described.

[hollow sedge]

Anything worth trading ATM?

[gaunt fiber]

I like to trade the high value stuff… Laranite & Agricium. Average run in a full C2 (with some Diamond or Titanium filler) earns me about 150K a run

I almost always buy out the entire stock of Laranite and/or Agrecium… so I try to find a route that I can swing by and pick up the other commodity before selling.

My favorite site to find routes, check commodity values, etc, is UEX: https://uexcorp.space/routes

[north oyster]

Scrap From Area18 TDD to ARC-L1 in a C2 is about 28K aUEC
Gold from Humbolt on Lyria to Area18 TDD
Astatine from Woodruff (1st) & Ryder (2nd) on Ida to Lorville CBD

Titanium (what whatever Laranite is there) at Bezdek Aria to Lorville CBD

Trade favors the largest of carriers at this time. So max profit from C2, CAT, Carrack, etc. Can learn and earn a little from Taurus and Freelancer MAX

[hollow sedge]

How bout a Hull A? I have $165 total but am waiting for Hull B to be on sale again so I can snatch it before a price hike

[ivory gust]

Not really, no. The cargo capacity is too small to make any kind of decent money, and all of the decent trade routes currently require going through a planet's atmosphere and the Hull A is terrible at that

[hollow sedge]

I thought the Hull A's whole niche was supposed to be Plant-Orbit hauls?

[ivory gust]

Nah, the Hull series is all about space-to-space stuff, the A and B are capable of planetary landing but not designed for it.

The A takes like twice as long for the same route as a base Freelancer currently (about the same cargo) due to how slow it is in atmosphere

https://youtu.be/Z-mXwf5ez18

[marble crater]

Nice, the cargo specific Hull A is worse at running cargo than a multi role ship....classic CIG lol

[ivory gust]

It's possible that in the future it will change but for now, yeah it's kinda terrible

[marble crater]

Might get better with Cargo Refactor when you have load times etc

[ivory gust]

Freelancer is $20 more so I guess that gets you more speed

Very true, we'll have to see when that becomes important

[marble crater]

The $20 also gets you the ability to carry ground vehicles and do bounty hunting lol

On top of running cargo faster

[hollow sedge]

And a butt ugly interior...

[ivory gust]

Hull B does look really good for the price, but it's not going to be in the game for years and it only gets you a Hull A loaner

Should have at least a Freelancer MAX imo if not a Taurus

[hollow sedge]

How about the C?

Will that be added soon?

[ivory gust]

C was being worked on until recently but got removed from the road map I think

C also has no place in the current state of the game

[marble crater]

Hope the Freelancer rework gives it Hull A styling

[hollow sedge]

I refuse to touch the Lancer because of how ugly the interior is. Dosn't even have a nice hab area like the A*...

[marble crater]

Fair enough I prioritise gameplay myself

[hollow sedge]

I try to balance gameplay and visuals. But the Freelancer is horrid on the interior. Soooo bad. Cramped. Ugly. Wasted space in the cockpit.

[ivory gust]

Why would they rework the freelancer when they can make new ships to make more money

[marble crater]

well all ships will get their gold pass

Connie & Freelancer are well overdue

[gaunt fiber]

The HULL A would be worth it, if it flew better when it wasn’t hauling cargo

it flys like a tank

[marble crater]

Hull A should get a big advantage with cargo refactor at least

until then it's very meh

[gaunt fiber]

yeah agreed

[ivory gust]

Also when there are trade routes that don't involve planets

[marble crater]

but you could complain about half of the ships in game not having their full gameplay options

[hollow sedge]

Unfortunately the next system coming is Pyro. I think all of the HULLs would avoid that place...

[ivory gust]

Yes, hull bad, here buy corsair

[hollow sedge]

:/

[north oyster]

GIB Corsair

[balmy moon]

anybody looking to team up post wipe to grind some auec to eventually buy prospector and start mining?

or should i put that in the group channel

[cobalt rivet]

solo, group efforts arent really worth it til you do bigger mining ops

unless you got a ship big enough to haul a ROC DS, then maybe

find like a gem patch, and sit there for 30 minutes

[ivory gust]

No, don't do this, roc ds is trash

[cobalt rivet]

it got a pretty big cargo if you can find a patch big enough to fill the cargo, its worth using, one trip

[north oyster]

You may want to connect with @thin escarp who runs a big mining operation. They may have some openings. You can earn and learn from one of the most active mining orgs in SC.

[north oyster]

The downside (one of many) of trying to fill the DS is that you will almost certainly 30K before you're even close to filling her up.

[balmy moon]

dont you know, 3.17.2 is going to fix everything

[north oyster]

LOL, heard that

Do hope it is tight on a few points because it will be home for the remaining of the year

[cobalt rivet]

be nice if it stored your mining vehicle like it does your ships when it 30ks

[north oyster]

Concur, the heartbeat patch was a lifesaver for traders. If we had a "move all" so we could box all the gems quickly in the ship, that would help a little also. Though the 30k happening while outside the ship doesn't help either.

[balmy moon]

i just want to be able to reliably open my inventory without the infinity loop

and multi select...how do we not have inventory multi select 10 years in

[fallen atlas]

Move all coming soon, inventory loading already fixed in 3.17.2. Multi-select sure would be nice though

[dapper mesa]

They could have just used a typical inventory system that has worked in games for decades, but they had to be "immersive"

[ember estuary]

Would this be the chat to ask if people wanna do mining in my Mole

[misty coyote]

Soon.

[west tide]

I agree. Bad move on their part the inventory system sucks

[north oyster]

Have you been testing it out in the PTU? Nice to see the MOLE fixed finally after being broken this whole patch cycle

[north oyster]

GIB 3.17.2 Live

[novel forum]

Hello! My first post -- so I'll begin with:

aaaAAAWWWEEESSSOOOMMMEEEeee...!

My second post -- a question. How do I fix this?

The box got pushed literally inside the mesh of the ship.

[marble crater]

I think it's gone

did you use the Place feature?

[pastel flame]

She gon'

[north oyster]

hindsight 20/20, next time just put the package on the floor. Also, if you are not aware, there is a new patch coming this week that will reset everything EXCEPT your reputation, so gaining reputation with deliveries is a good thing. Also, just a thought, may have been able to go up under the ship in the cargo area and see if you could access the area, but a long shot.

[viscid hazel]

Did you try the multitool?

[cyan mountain]

Prospector mining seems slightly more complicated than roc mining

[tough nacelle]

maybe a little but with 3.17.2 and the ping angles u can find an asteroid in the halo with in 45 seconds. I can average about 5 to 6 rocks an hour after that's refined thats 1,320,000 an hour in quant

i will sit there an listen to an audio book and just mine away. plus in the halo you will almost never see another ship as you have to drop out of a QT to be in the right place

id say biggest downside is you have to wait to get the money but once u get going u have refinery orders going all the time and finishing all the time. I set my home A18 live at CRU L1 and only sell at A18. more work for sure but so so much money

[cyan mountain]

i dont wanna do any mining rn

waiting for the wipe

then i'll settle around arccorp

[tough nacelle]

no point right now but if you want to make good easy money that's the way IMO. Once it wipes imma grind 90k and 75k bunkers till I hit about 2.5 mill then buy a prospector

[cyan mountain]

i dont know how to unlock those

[tough nacelle]

the higher tier bunkers? its just rep under security. every bunker you complete raises it enough grinding u get to the 75k at level 4 and 90k at level 5

[cyan mountain]

im halfway through the trainee

[tough nacelle]

oof ya you got a ways to go. with rep staying with the wipe thats my go to. renting a cutty and a ROC and gem mining might be a better way for that starter cash then

[north oyster]

Build what reputation you can before the wipe, that will come in handy. Also the NPC request for assistance is also a good path to building aUEC pretty quick

Note from CIG today
We have rolled out some hotfixes onto the current PTU build to fix being sent to prison after Siege of Orison, Siege dialog audio fixes, as well as 3 server crash fixes

[pastel flame]

Got any vids of this?

I'd love to see anyone actually find and clear 5-6 rocks an hour, no sarcasm.

[rugged axle]

I can't even drop out qt, set cruise, and enter mining mode in 45 seconds :(

[marble crater]

bummed I didn't get to do any mining in 3.17, heard the new scanner setup is quite good

[pastel flame]

I'm not the most efficient miner but 10 min a trip is wild

[worthy scroll]

That would be a once in a lifetime, most efficient run ever.

Unless you have people scouting rocks for you.

[north oyster]

I have had excellent success finding rocks because you don't have to waste time on duds. I can't make over 5-6 turns per hour because all that is random. But more often than not I hit a Q within moments of dropping into the Belt.

I am usually just 4 turns per hour

I have the angle control mapped to my Joystick to make that fast, I run uncoupled in one direction and scan away

[ivory gust]

There's no way anyone is doing 10min runs regularly, and I highly doubt you actually average 4 runs per hour--video please.

CRU L1 is 6MM from the Halo, so you have ~5min round trip just in quantum.
I'd wager it takes at least ~5min to get to station, land (even with impound), get to the refinery (stupid elevator), start the refining process, and get back to your ship.

That's 10min round trip in overhead before you even start scanning or mining.

Even though you "don't have to waste time on duds" and can identify Q-types from 12km out, the vast majority of Q-types are only going to have ~2-3% Quant and won't be worth mining, and you don't know that until you're within 300m. Sure, sometimes you get lucky and find a 30% in the first one you check, but if you're consistently finding worthwhile Q-types within 45 seconds of arriving in the halo you are the luckiest person alive.

Using surge/stampede modules helps the mining itself, but you can't currently buy those on CRU L1 so you need to include a side trip to buy replacements regularly.

[north oyster]

I'm in a meeting atm, so I'll chime back in a moment

[marble crater]

when I was Prospector mining in 3.15, 3 rocks per hour was a good session for me. Keen to try it all out next patch

even that was rng heavy tbh

[ivory gust]

I could believe 3 rocks per hour with decent luck and surge/stampede usage, but you'd still need to account for replacement overhead.

[marble crater]

modules was fine, I would buy 50 at a time and move it in a hauler

moving them 1 by 1 was tedious though

[ivory gust]

I am looking forward to the refinery kiosks being fixed, although you'd still need to haul in surges

[pastel flame]

For sure but even 4 rocks per hour sounds pretty unlikely and I have had some efficient runs. Just the Q jumps and the breaking make that unlikely to my current understanding. Anyway honestly not a callout, in bounty hunting I see ppl shocked at speeds

[pastel flame]

This breakdown ya

[pastel flame]

This was my best pretty much

[marble crater]

When I got into solo Mole sessions my highs/lows got more extreme but had some pretty good hauls where I cracked 120+ scu/hour

Which was 2 big rocks

[pastel flame]

No matter the profession in these time/auec discussions I suspect there's not actually a lot of stopwatches coming out, most people don't really care about it that much

[ivory gust]

Yeah, there have definitely been times I wished I was in a Mole when I found multiple good rocks, but the downside is that scanning isn't as good

[worthy scroll]

Very true. And time gets a bit distorted when you're doing things.

[pastel flame]

A good mole crew includes a scout imo

[marble crater]

Group Mole sessions are great fun

[north oyster]

Not true on the ID of low % Q rocks only at 300m, you can get an idea at about 8k to 5K if the rock is worth looking at. This is the resistance of the rock

Also, 4 turns isn't always, it is average 2 to 4 turns per hour

[ivory gust]

Hmmm, the details don't show up for me that far out, how are you getting that?

[north oyster]

I also mine the first Belt in Halo, so my jump times are minimum

[north oyster]

When you focus scan on the rock, the resistance will show

You don't need all the details, the top header of info is all you need

Anything north of 6% normally needs a closer look

There is a huge jump in the total percentage of Quan in the rock between 5% resistance and 7% resistance

[marble crater]

I've never liked the per hour estimates for mining tbh. Needs a minimum of a 2 hour pool imo. So much rng involved

[ivory gust]

Interesting to know, will need to check that closer next time. Thanks

[north oyster]

Agreed, I like average return per trip

Even when making low average but making a lot of turns, it does help to count. I did 16 turns in two evenings and made over 3.5M aUEC. The average was low but the trips were fast

I would pull anything over 15% working a simple system of average return per % of Quan in the rock

[marble crater]

Even the Mole got weird, for group clusters great but for solo I found it much quicker to go for single 7-8.4T so you didn't have to reposition

[north oyster]

CIG we're currently on track for a live release tomorrow.

[pastel flame]

Every hourly rate should be done over a 4+ hour sample imo

[pastel flame]

Seems reasonable for a really skilled miner

[marble crater]

tripperdan has probs done more Prospector mining than anyone on the server too lol

[north oyster]

I hardly ever get a chance to play for a long block of time, normally only hour & half to two hours. I hope to have more time Friday with work being a little lighter and I can focus for about 4 hours ... here's hoping!!!!!!!!

But everyday is the way to wealth

[tough nacelle]

as far as being able to find rocks super quick ya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLOx_bfg_eM&list=PL7CaQ2tFZ-7OR49ZK1mzON2VitTp3yxlC&index=10&t=251s

sorry had to deal with kids didnt see this

[north oyster]

Red Monster SC does some good work, really appreciate his stuff

[tough nacelle]

starting at cru ll setting point to arc l3 and droping out of qt 11.5 mill away from arc l3 i find a q rock worth mining in 1 to 3 min max

[north oyster]

Same experience for me as a rule

[tough nacelle]

vk 00 on prospector i can do a full run in about 10 min give or take 3

[north oyster]

Keying off the resistance has saved me a good bit of time. I normally need about 15ish or little more per run, depending upon luck and the server

And sometimes the dice gods hate me

[tough nacelle]

rng is a pain lol

i average closer to 5 rocks an hour TBH and my rule of thumb is nothing under 25% Q

[north oyster]

My rule of thumb is:

35% = 270K aUEC
~17% = approx 160K aUEC
I feel ok, making faster turns with anything above 15%

[tough nacelle]

those smaller runs help fully fill a cargo ship as well

[north oyster]

I don't like the VK-00 because I enjoy exploring a little more sometimes and it is just too brutal with fuel

[pastel flame]

I know about scanning techniques, it's the rest.

[north oyster]

Atlas is my QT of choice

[tough nacelle]

I like the vk00 just cause is fast size 1

[marble crater]

Damn I've never done 5 an hour unless counting clusters

[pastel flame]

Not buying 6 runs per hour without some evidence.

I'd love to see a 10 min flat run period, then 6 chained

VK gang

[tough nacelle]

ill have to start recording then lol

[pastel flame]

How many minutes is just landing and taking elevator to refinery each trip, 3, 4?

[tough nacelle]

ahh see thats why i had 6 prospectors

[pastel flame]

My bet is you guys ARE super fast and efficient but not accounting fully for all that

[tough nacelle]

got the bug but they all worked so id fly out mine fly back store grab a diff one repeat

[marble crater]

Mole my good runs were 2 rocks an hour but they were chunky lol

[tough nacelle]

with using the same 1 ship no way i couldn't get it that fast

[hollow sedge]

if i got a mission move 4 containers to x place and i put 4 of teh containers in my ship but it only checks 1/4 what i do?

[tough nacelle]

so ya your prob right on that for sure. tho with new patch that time should lower as well praise be to fast elevators

[pastel flame]

I'm mostly a ship and fps combat enthusiast, but I always outfit a prospector and watch the latest vids to stay up to date. Appreciate you guys not taking offense to my questions, lol

6 prospectors is funny but also efficient... no different than 2 eclipse meta XD

[tough nacelle]

after doing it that way i can see myself buy more then one later in the wipe TBH seems silly but idk i liked it ALOT lol

[marble crater]

There's some trickery for group play where the owner of the ship can queue the refinery when the mining ship is in armistice zone which I found interesting

[pastel flame]

It sounds satisfying

Doing that final trip to refinery to set them all

[tough nacelle]

there was a time or 2 i recalled the wrong one and may or may not have had it blow up on the pad but we dont talk about that

[north oyster]

I do think the new elevator speeds will help some too, man those things are freaking fast

[pastel flame]

The Prospector is such a great ship, as an aside. It always feels cozy to me in the back, and the cockpit view is dope.

[sacred raptor]

i wish more MISC ships had cockpits like the prospector. i'd be a bigger fan of MISC in general

[pastel flame]

I miss when you'd find hadanite worth hand mining during trips, step out into the black and look back at her floating there.

[marble crater]

What you don't like Freelancer cockpit?1

[tough nacelle]

ya the ship looks like a giant dildo but it makes money . im not a fan of MISC ship looks

[sacred raptor]

i despise the mail slot

[north oyster]

Don't dog my MAX now, I'm ok with a limited view of the world

[tough nacelle]

gross

[worthy scroll]

Nobody likes the Freelancer cockpit. If someone says they do, they're lying.

[sacred raptor]

mail slot is my biggest worry with the odyssey

[pastel flame]

I do tbh

[north oyster]

I just love the MAX as the best ROC support ship in the game

[worthy scroll]

Liar! 😂

[marble crater]

I actually like the Freelancer mail slot but hate that the dash is 4 feet deep lmao

[worthy scroll]

I wonder about that one, is the ship big enough that the "mail slot" is instead a giant, panoramic window?

[pastel flame]

My MAX is like... you're jumping to places with debris, off the beaten path. Like taking a 350 diesel down an old gravel road. You don't want all glass.

[worthy scroll]

But it's futuristic space glass.

[pastel flame]

I mostly fly Ares and Scorpius so I'm being romantic

[worthy scroll]

waves hands

[marble crater]

If your head position was closer to the glass the mail slot would be fine

[pastel flame]

True

[worthy scroll]

Being able to move your head and "seat", like you can in racing sims, is something I hope for in the future.

[marble crater]

You're just positioned so far back in the Lancer it's nuts

[pastel flame]

Or like in Squadrons

[worthy scroll]

Since the head camera can already be "detatched" for things like head tracking/Tobii and such, I don't see why they couldn't do that.

[north oyster]

But that dash will be awesome filled up with bobble heads

[pastel flame]

Pr0n mags

Roaches

Empty synthmeat burrito packages

[north oyster]

come to think of it, I believe you are seeing the future in Star Citizen!!

[ivory gust]

I really don't believe that you always find a Q-type worth mining within 3 minutes.

[worthy scroll]

I thought the packages were edible. Have I been doing this wrong?

[pastel flame]

Maybe it's me who's wrong

[north oyster]

LOL

[worthy scroll]

If this is wrong then I don't want to be right.

[tough nacelle]

are u using the ping angles to only fly to scannable Q rocks?

[ivory gust]

Yes.

[pastel flame]

Do the wrappers lessen the diarhhea?

[ivory gust]

The vast majority of scannable Q rocks will have <4% quant

[north oyster]

Fiber

[worthy scroll]

Yeah, getting a little intestinal impaction slows things down.

[pastel flame]

Mostly I just pick cliff bars off my dead enemies

[tough nacelle]

idk man maybe im just lucky i check what's 12k and closer and if not jump another 100k and look again

[north oyster]

Find Q rocks most often happens pretty fast

[tough nacelle]

the guys i play with say the same so idk lol

[north oyster]

Determining their % is also a key and being able to do that about 5K to 8K is helpful also

[tough nacelle]

if finding a minable takes 5 min its a bad day at that point

[tough nacelle]

this

[north oyster]

instability is also how you can determine what types of gems you've found when ROC mining

@ivory gust I think it misspoke, it's instability not resistance

[ivory gust]

I was wondering that, but wasn't going to say anything until I'd gone in game and tried it 🙂

[north oyster]

yeah, I get those two mixed up

A prefect chunk of Quantainium has a 10 instability

[ivory gust]

Having multiple Prospectors definitely helps the per-trip time, although I feel like that's something that should've been mentioned (and if they've fixed the ship dup bug won't be a thing in 3.17.2 unless you actually buy them, and I'm not sure how long it would take to earn that back)

What do you do for clusters? Are you able to see the instability of everything from that distance to gauge whether it's worth checking out?

[tough nacelle]

if i see a q cluster i go check it out regardless

[north oyster]

same

[ivory gust]

yeah, again...I don't see how you have time to do that and always find minable stuff within 3min

[tough nacelle]

and immediately let a buddy know u get on my server just in case its really good

[north oyster]

I have hit 8 rock cluster with nothing but trash, but at least I checked them all out

[cobalt rivet]

sometimes i run into rock clusters that dont reveal anything on scan, cant even scan them, are those rocks bugged or was that intended

like they will shimmer and highlight when I focus on them, but scanning shows nothing

[pastel flame]

Gremlins in your scanner. Classic.

[cobalt rivet]

one full Cutty of quant is roughly 300 k

prob a little more

[humble summit]

I need an orion.......stat

[ivory gust]

Unscannable rocks. Bugged, can't mine them.

[ivory gust]

404k if you manage to fill it exactly, but given that Cutlass is 46SCU and Prospector is 32SCU, and you can't split refinery loads, that seems unlikely

[tough nacelle]

on refinery splitting i get why in the lore u cant right but we should be able to rent cargo space on the station and fill from the refinery then we get can max loads in cargo ships.

[ivory gust]

Would be nice, yeah.

[cobalt rivet]

cant always get full propector, sometimes get small chunks to fill the inebtween cargo

[plush maple]

You could always fill the 32 SCU of refined goods then buy laranite to fill the rest to get a full load if you want it filled to the brim

[misty coyote]

That's crash fodder off I ever heard it

[plush maple]

Gotta risk it for the biscuit

[cobalt rivet]

wisdom

[ivory gust]

Would only make sense if you could buy laranite from the refinery station--making a detour by a moon mining outpost is not a good idea imo

[meager gorge]

You guys probably get this often, what’s you preferred modules/gadgets setup?

[sage flower]

How do you folks like the caterpillar?

[worthy scroll]

Frickin love it. It's a solid cargo ship right now, and it's a ship that's going to be insanely useful later on.

The only thing I don't like is it's slow in atmo. (But if you've never been spoiled by a C2, you're probably fine with that.)

I got mine as a stepping stone to a Reclaimer, but really, I'm thinking about keeping it.

[sage flower]

ahhh, I hadn't even thought about a reclaimer, but it should be useful soon right?

[worthy scroll]

Soon-ish.

[marble crater]

Cat might get interesting in 3.18 with cargo refactor as it has it's own tractor beam. Currently the C2 does everything it can plus load all ground vehicles which kinda sucks

[worthy scroll]

And it's so nimble and fast, it just doesn't feel right.

[marble crater]

Hercules ships have no right handling the way they do in atmo lol

[worthy scroll]

For sure.

[pastel flame]

It's a bit wild ya

[misty coyote]

Something that's been on my mind for a bit..... What's the chances of another wipe in the next 2, 6 and 12 months?

I get its Alpha, and the only safe things are pledged....

[bright peak]

They said they would wipe for 3.18

[misty coyote]

Ah.... So farming loads on 17.2 could be a question? I don't want to NOT play.... But equally....

This might be a "comes with the territory" deal

[marble crater]

the upcoming wipe was never planned & a result of bugs/exploits in 3.17. 3.18 might wipe but that's for the features it's bringing

[misty coyote]

It's cool.... I mean.... I could jsut flip the concept and set before wipe challenge.....

[marble crater]

I won't be grinding for a full fleet just a couple ships for gameplay options

[vestal ravine]

Just in the game to mine some and the whole thing is freezing up. 7:45 CSD AM

[north oyster]

WIPES That will happen are 3.17.2, 3.18 and Alpha 4.0

** xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx**
Here is a great little starter video for earning good coin in the new LIVE 3.17.2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Wz7yZ-_KY

[pastel flame]

Full fleet grind all the way!!!

[marble crater]

tbf in 4-5 months of playing with full rep from the get go you'll have a load of ships anyway lol

[pastel flame]

Lol yup... especially with a head start on rep and auec.

[marble crater]

I really hope Cargo can become a thing with {hopefully) some cargo missions assigned to it with Cargo refactor.

Transfer X Goods for so & so with some npc pirates after you

[marble crater]

They could even add Illegal cargo missions where you pop up on the mission board like with Suspect Apprehension to be stopped by players, that way the act of boarding and claiming cargo isn't strictly a piracy based activity

[cobalt rivet]

piracy will be so crazy

player piracy that is

[west tide]

so whats the deal with 3.18 it means all cargo will be physicalized?

[fading escarp]

you'll have to fill up at cat (576 scu) and C2 (696 scu) at one box (1 scu) at a time by hand, not to mention empty it again

and when you're enroute freeloaders (pirates) will stand ready to gank you.

[west tide]

so in 3.18 cargo will drop if you get ganked?

[fading escarp]

I'm not certain about the version number, but yeah when physical your cargo can drop, and be picked up by the next person coming by

same goes for ore (mining), refined ore and any other cargo onboard. As of right now, you can store your gear in the ship. When the ship is blown up that gear is stored and dropped in either a 1 SCU or a 2 SCU

(also being the way we get scu boxes with the TB, to drag along and fill up during bunker run etc)

[north oyster]

I'm not sure we fully understand the scope of what the cargo refactor will bring, but persistency is a key aspect of the refactor. The idea is that an object in the 'verse does not require a corresponding "owner" and when the owner despawns, so does the object. Instead, every object will be persistent regardless of who initially owned it and who currently possess it. The exponential complexity of this move is incredibly vast. The refactor will touch every single aspect of the game.

[west tide]

as long as it makes things better for pirates

because that will also lead to "escort" gameplay

and more dynamic player driven content

[misty coyote]

There is a sore need for "Transport X of my unbuyable shit to this place" missions.

[north oyster]

Reputation for Trade is most certainly coming. Also, the "ship captain owns the cargo" won't work with mega haulers like the HULL C, D & E

[west tide]

like i can make a mission for someone to haul my junk to a better place to sell?

[misty coyote]

That too....I'd haul your refinery based stuff to where it needs to go. Would need some insurance though

Or I could just steal it

[north oyster]

Quantum will determine the demand for commerce and will set the rate for trade awards on moving product

[misty coyote]

But then, like uber, my rating would be dog shot

[undone nacelle]

Fellow rock hoppers! o7

[north oyster]

o7

[misty coyote]

o7

[north oyster]

Mining is the path to abundant wealth

The Prospector prints money

[cobalt rivet]

[misty coyote]

I can't see the S2 Printing Press module.... Is it at New Babbage?

[north oyster]

S2 on the MOLE, you'll have to settle for a S1 module on the Prospector

[bright peak]

I’ll be working my way up to it from a rented roc.

[misty coyote]

But it keeps jamming.... It's a Drake!! Knew it

[topaz bay]

you can also rent the prospector

[bright peak]

Yea but not to mine quant

[topaz bay]

that's right.

[fading escarp]

you'll need a friend .. 🙂

[topaz bay]

I'm trying to figure out if I want to pledge the cutlass black or the freelancer max to be able to haul some refined quant

[misty coyote]

Max.... Always

[ivory gust]

Cutlass isn't a hauler, not enough storage.

[misty coyote]

120 SCU vs.... Who cares

[ivory gust]

Max or RAFT or Taurus

[misty coyote]

Plus 2 ROC if you wanted to

[ivory gust]

2 ROC or 120 SCU, not both

[misty coyote]

I think you can get 20 in the little middle bit

Maybe...

Either way... MAX, though I bought the CCU for the RAFT because I love it

[topaz bay]

yea, but to get started with quant, it would be able to haul some over until i can buy a larger cargo ship or rent to transport whenever I need

since the cutty black is very versatile

[misty coyote]

Rent the Freelancer base if you're quant hauling

[ivory gust]

Or Andromeda

[misty coyote]

What's the price diff?

[ivory gust]

Cutlass is a waste of time for hauling Quant since it's not even 2 Prospector loads

[misty coyote]

Lancer is 30ish....

I thought the Andromida was in the 60s+

[ivory gust]

80s yes but it carries 3 Prospector loads instead of 2 like freelancer. If you've got a lot to haul could be worth it to make fewer trips

[misty coyote]

Hmm... Get a MAX either way

[ivory gust]

Plus Andromeda is beautiful and freelancer is ugly, that's worth the difference there

[topaz bay]

isnt it also a lot larger than the freelancer?

[fading escarp]

I upg from the freelancer to the andro

[ivory gust]

Yes, but that doesn't really matter if you're renting something to haul Quant to market

If you're buying something and you want versatility and the ability to usefully haul Quant, Freelancer MAX is your cheapest real option

[topaz bay]

cutty black $100 vs freelancer max $150

[ivory gust]

Yes, and you get literally 4x as many Prospector loads for that difference

[topaz bay]

would only need 1 prospector load to be able to rent bigger ships for transporting the rest of quant

[ivory gust]

Cutlass black is a good ship and if you have one for other reasons yes you could use it to haul a load or two but if "hauling Quant" is a primary goal, get something else

[fading escarp]

cuttie is a little light ship. Andro is big and heavy by comparison

[topaz bay]

i read that the cutty black was the most efficient way to quantum travel as well

[ivory gust]

Base Freelancer is $110 and is also more useful than cutlass for that since it carries 2 Prospector loads

[fading escarp]

I found the freelancer a bit on the heavy side, while not being super useful on a broad spectrum

[topaz bay]

yeah i rented the base freelancer to get a feel for flight, felt like a sloth

[ivory gust]

Again, cutlass black is a good ship overall and if you want one for versatility in that price range, yes you could do a Quant run or two... But for hauling Quant it's D tier

[fading escarp]

so analyse what their games are .. cuttie black - allrounder, red - healing, blue - prison transport ... etc. They each have their game. Some might coincide with your game, some might not ...

we're all different people, we rarely pick the same ship for precisely the same reasons.

[cerulean lichen]

Hoping we get the patch soon. Been craving to jump back into the game lately and do missions and mining

[west tide]

Same, can't wait to get back to shooting prospectors

Lots don't pay so I end up having to blow them up

[ivory gust]

You're a sociopath.

Seek help.

[west tide]

Seek help for playing a video game? Then that means u need help too

Sounds like you're the one who needs help, you can't tell the difference between video games and real life

Hopefully you get the help you need

[ivory gust]

No, for getting enjoyment from the misery of others.

[west tide]

So everyone who shoots someone in a video game is a sociopath because they enjoy competition?

So all the pubg CSGO people are sociopaths?

[ivory gust]

Where's the "competition" in shooting prospectors?

[west tide]

You got some mental problems buddy

Hope you get them worked out

[ivory gust]

There's a big difference between something like CSGO where everyone is on equal footing and shooting random mining ships

[west tide]

I mean, if u don't like it maybe you should talk to CIG who coded it

[west tide]

No it isn't, if you kill me in pubg you are ruining my experience of getting a chicken dinner

[ivory gust]

enjoys shooting helpless miners

accuses other people of having mental problems

[west tide]

Yes that is behavior common in people who can't separate real life from video games

What kinda response are you expecting calling someone a sociopath?

From playing a video game as intended by the developer

I have a job, I pay taxes, I contribute to society, and I follow the laws of the country I live in. So explain how I'm a sociopath?

[north oyster]

Hello folks ... This is the Trade and Mining channel. For those who wish to vulture, marauder, PVP and play pirate -> **take your discussion to an appropriate channel ** thanks 🙂

[west tide]

Exactly Chris winter take that talk elsewhere

----->

[north oyster]

should I add trolling?

[west tide]

What about personal attacks? Maybe add that to the list

[north oyster]

Who Gets to 100M aUEC in their wallet first? I nominate @thin escarp

True for all parties, agree. We can ping the moderators but I would prefer to not have to do that. I'm just a simple miner and trader

[worthy scroll]

What if we want to use the Vulture at a later date?

😬

[north oyster]

True that, we need to create a Salvage channel too

[worthy scroll]

I assume salvaging is going to get wrapped up in this channel when it comes out.

[north oyster]

Maybe fold it in here? I have my Vulture also

[west tide]

Is salvaging coming in 3.18 or 4.0

[worthy scroll]

3.18 is the plan I believe.

[north oyster]

3.18 Tier Zero

[worthy scroll]

What T0 will be though...

[west tide]

Tier 1 in 4.0?

[north oyster]

hand held unit, Vulture and also Reclaimer magic beams

[west tide]

Will they have a dedicated team working on it, or is it side project for when they have time to add to it over the next years

[north oyster]

I don't know the answer to that one

[worthy scroll]

I kinda wish they'd just shove out the Vulture today with the patch.

[north oyster]

that would be awesome

It would be fun to fly around even it can't do anything, like the Reclaimer

[worthy scroll]

I'd use it to do box missions 😁

[north oyster]

True, it has nice little space for storage

[worthy scroll]

I just want to see how she flies.

[west tide]

So they haven't explained what tier 0 will be yet ?

[north oyster]

small bits and pieces here and there in some of shows

[west tide]

Even If it's small and hand held I'd like to salvage a little from ships I blow up

Definitely could lead to more cool and complex gameplay lopps

Loops*

[north oyster]

They will need to maybe create a marauder dedicated channel also

[west tide]

What kinda ship is a marauder I only know the EvE online marauder ships

[north oyster]

marauder
noun
One who marauds; a rover in quest of booty or plunder; a plunderer; especially, one of a number of soldiers or of an organized band engaged in spoliation.
SynonymsFreebooter, etc. See robber.
A rover in quest of booty or plunder; a plunderer; one who pillages.

[west tide]

Ah, well in other games it's an actual ship type

Not a "playstyle"

[north oyster]

understandable

here they try to use the word Pirate but it seems to not quite fit the role

[west tide]

Sounds like marauder similar to pirate people probably lump them together

[north oyster]

true

I think the roots is where, so Pirate being on the sea and space being like the Sea, then Pirate works better

[worthy scroll]

Marauder, pirate, scoundrel, thief, d-bag.

😉

[north oyster]

Update from CIG:
US Region PTU servers will have a short downtime soon while we apply a hotfix with additional service and DGS crash fixes. If all goes well with this we will then roll to EU and AP PTU servers.

[west tide]

Like miner, pve'er, carebear, pussy

[north oyster]

was that really necessary?

[west tide]

Is d-bag necessary

[north oyster]

I agree d-bag was uncalled for

[west tide]

?

Then why call me out and not that?

[north oyster]

I was typing that out also

[west tide]

Biased much?

[worthy scroll]

But mine was pretty obviously tongue and cheek. It's kinda what I do.

[west tide]

Me too I was having fun

[north oyster]

with profanity? that isn't tongue in cheek

**Back to trade and mining ** And Salvage

[west tide]

I don't see that as profanity any more than douchebag is

[north oyster]

funny, I thought it was "dirt bag" so the "d" can mean a couple of other things maybe

[west tide]

Douchebag is way more common, in America anyway

I can't remember the last time I heard someone be called a dirt bag, tho I'm sure it happens, lol

[cerulean lichen]

Wonder if the patch will be out by the time I leave work. Love to pick up a roc and get to mining

[west tide]

Where do u usually mine and what's your ingame name?

[north oyster]

They are rolling out patches now to the servers

They mine here and there

[west tide]

So you are his keeper? You have to answer for him?

[north oyster]

little sensitive to claim to be a pirate?

[west tide]

That's not sensitive, just wondering why you are answering for him, he is big boi

He might need an escort or protection

Space is a dangerous place

And with 100man servers it got double dangerous!!

[north oyster]

naw, I don't even carry a gun nor do I have guns on my Prospector 🙂

The cap will be lower for Siege of Orison but back up for Jumptown

[ivory gust]

Where was this from?

[north oyster]

Spectrum

the PTU forum

MOTD

[worthy scroll]

Heh, same. I haven't carried a gun in-game in years. I only wear armor so I can use a backpack.

[north oyster]

same, LOL

[worthy scroll]

Lol what. That's the worst pirate attempt I've ever seen.

[ivory gust]

I believe the phrase is "You are without a doubt the worst pirate I've ever heard of"

[onyx crow]

any chance you have a source for this?

[north oyster]

It's the message of the day on the spectrum PTU forum

I'm not where I can open that and get the link again but I will in a few minutes

[ivory gust]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/lobby/38230

Latest update is:

US Region PTU servers have all been hotfixed with additional service and DGS crash fixes. If all goes well with this we will then roll to EU and AP PTU servers.

[onyx crow]

oh, that's just PTU though?

[ivory gust]

correct

[verbal cargo]

can't wait to fight off other miners on lyria for that sweet sweet quantanium

[tough nacelle]

gross planet mining. mining the halo is so much faster

[cerulean lichen]

Need to check out the halo at some point.

Though trading in my cutlass should be fun as well, plus finally getting back into a roc

[glacial dagger]

Now would be the best time to check it out, what with the patch hopefully being jsut aroudnt he corner...

[cerulean lichen]

Yep I plan to, just need to make enough roc mining and doing trade or missions to get a prospector

[north oyster]

Status page showing degraded performance, seems something is amiss

[cerulean lichen]

Ahh so maybe not today? Either way this weekend should be a lot of fun. Hoping to earn every credit this time around instead of getting random gift money 😅

Having the cutlass is going to be so useful this fresh start

[rugged axle]

hmmm, spectrum was down for a bit. back up now. wouldnt let me open sc. now i can

not recoginizing i have pledges in AC either

[north oyster]

having the Cutty and then renting a ROC (super cheap) will put you in the space bucks real quick. Did you see Red Monster SC's video on starting out with ROC mining?

From Reddit:
Rest your finger, we're still a few hours away!

https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/wakapb/mfw_its_already_130pm_pst_and_ive_been_refreshing/ii1hhnc/?context=3

[cerulean lichen]

I did not but I’m pretty well knowledgeable on roc mining early on.

Hopefully the servers will be stable enough for me to start doing box missions at least

[north oyster]

Zyloh: "We will release today (US), but it does look like it will be a late one." & "Our goal is always to publish much earlier in the day, but it is indeed a goal, and not always where we land!"

[tight latch]

has mole been fixed in last uopdate

[north oyster]

yes

verified

[cerulean lichen]

Ahh so probably late enough I may be able to buy starting gear and set my cutlass up how I like. This weekend will be a lot of fun though. Like I said, really excited to be starting in a cutlass as my base ship now

[north oyster]

The game changed for me when I upgraded from the Titan to the Cutlass Black. So many new things you can do

[tight latch]

so what of the screen is the mining shop in the station of cru l1

[cerulean lichen]

It’s not the prettiest ship but it is super useful. I also started getting used to bed logging and has been saving me so much time. Now if I can only bed log with a roc in my back and I’d be set.

[north oyster]

that will be fixed as soon as 3.17.2 drops to LIVE in a few hours

I tested a number of terminals, ASOP and Kiosk through out the verse for PTU

Area18 CenterMass is fixed in the Admin building, the kiosk in Dumpers in A18 is fixed, etc

[cobalt rivet]

bugged elevators were never a problems for me, I just jump backwards

id eventually get in

you will get a shit ton of bugged elevators in patch

micro tech particularly

some bunker platforms there too

[north oyster]

LOL, CIG getting into the "bring the patch" chant

[north oyster]

Always bed log in space, not on a planet surface. trust me on this

[bright peak]

how long are the patches usually? multi-hour?

[cobalt rivet]

just stock up on food and water and you will only ever suffer fuel shortage

minute ships come in proximity logout and switch server

[north oyster]

Not terribly long, about an hour. They usually post a longer window than they need.

Pro-Tip If you have been playing the PTU, then you can just rename the PTU folder to LIVE. Remember to copy your custom keybinds

Delete the shader folder

Under User/Apps

[cobalt rivet]

my apps folder is pretty big, can you be more specific o.o

nvm found it

[north oyster]

LOL, please do not delete your Apps folder. Yes, the Star Citizen folder under there, sorry

[cobalt rivet]

it gave me two folders

[north oyster]

one is the LIVE, the other is the PTU

[cobalt rivet]

I went into both and deleted them

[north oyster]

Same

you can remove the folders under SC in apps

C:\Users\xxxxxx\AppData\Local\Star Citizen

[cerulean lichen]

I have been

[north oyster]

I always QT to OM-1 and log there. Then it's a short hop back down

[cerulean lichen]

So what’s everyone’s first thing trading/mining related they are doing post wipe? Mine will probably be box missions then roc mining.

[bright peak]

yep, box then roc

[north oyster]

Might need to box at all if you just rent the ROC

[worthy scroll]

Spend my starting 2k on laranite in my Caterpillar.

[north oyster]

I'll go straight to the Halo

[bright peak]

hopefully I'll have enough to go straight to roc rental

[north oyster]

Also, CIG is going to "award" players for the amount of time they have spent in 3.17.1 activity

no idea what that will equal

ROC rental only 4k

[bright peak]

yep, hoping for a bit for a roc - I have a cutlass as my upgraded starter pack

[pastel flame]

5k per hour is my bet. You guys got any guesses?

[north oyster]

You're set then

[north oyster]

that'd be a fair sum for some souls

[pastel flame]

Indeed

[north oyster]

I'm always testing the PTU, so I won't get that much from this offer

[bright peak]

I'm completely new (about a little over a month in) so I played a lot

[pastel flame]

I honestly have no idea what generous means

[north oyster]

100K aUEC to 250K aUEC

[pastel flame]

Last time it was 100k