Provisional Nahidas Build

[nimble marsh]

So this is what I'm planning to put on my nahida when she gets released, what do you think?

[astral rapids]

did you see WFP just set this up? https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

yeah, i assume that's what my build is gonna look like

I might use my kagura's verity on her (to miko's chagrin) and go with an EM/dendro/EM build

[nimble marsh]

I'm kinda tempted for her signature weapon and C2 🙈

[astral rapids]

i heard her c2 was good from early leaks, but looking at it i'm not sure how much of a boost it is, theoretically

c1 looks hella good tho

i'll probably aim for c0 > signature > c1 > yoimiya

idk, i really want best girl, but last time i lost her 50/50 to diluc c0 so i have even less reason to pull for her now

this is the build that optimizer suggested - i'm obviously not stealing the TF piece off fischl, but

[nimble marsh]

It's a general def shredd, so it boosts the whole teams DMG, probably similar value to C2 kazuha I assume

[astral rapids]

yeah, so especially if i'm using her w/ raiden & xingqiu, that would be relevant

looks like sac frags is gonna outperform mappa mare, not surprising

[nimble marsh]

Well it's more than double the EM

Why does your build have 2,1k ATK 😅

[astral rapids]

standing on bennett's circle

on the team buffs tab you can set a bunch of things

[nimble marsh]

Ok, that makes sense

[astral rapids]

interesting, for sac frags i switched the target from tri-karma purification (her DoT) to press DMG, and it suggested 2pc DM 2pc glad

all these numbers are lvl 1, talents 1/1/1 cos i forgot to switch those lol

[nimble marsh]

That's basically a normal ATK build completely ignoring her EM scaling

[astral rapids]

yeh

[nimble marsh]

So I checked some other def shredding constellations on 5 star chars and nahidas C2 is just straight up powercreep😅

Klee gives 23% def shredd for 10s at C2 and Ayaka C4 30% for 6s but basically 11s counting from the last burst hit

[astral rapids]

now that's a number:

that's c1

with a rainbow team - bennett/xingqiu/raiden

lvl 90, talents 9/9/9

tho it seems likely i'll just crown her

[nimble marsh]

What about widsith, I could see that outperform any other catalyst, even if the DMG is inconsistent

[astral rapids]

with interlude:

[fierce ether]

@astral rapids has leveled up to LEVEL 22

[astral rapids]

in a meeting, hang on

Recitave

Aria

[astral rapids]

ok, going for tri-karma purification target with sac frags looks more like you'd expect

so yeah, kagura's > widsith > sac frags > mappa mare

i guess my mappa mare is only level 80, so that factors

interesting that it's not suggesting 4pc deepwood for any of these

even at 90, mappa mare can't compete

lol skyward atlas is as bad as mappa mare

wow, the lamp is coming up lower than kagura's? doesn't seem right:

oh hahaha, that's interesting, that's the first build where it's grabbed tighnari's 4 star goblet instead of DMC's

ok, so i re-ran kagura's with 2 stacks and it falls behind the lamp

[nimble marsh]

Well the EM DMG bonus is capped at 1k EM, so with her signature weapon building for more ATK and CRIT will result in better DMG

Also the CRIT rate on that last build is terrible, but you probably just don't have better pieces

[astral rapids]

in order to hit 3 stacks of kagura's you have to use the press version of her skill, which would mean you'd have to be in melee range, i think

with only xingqiu's rainswords to protect you, that would be ... spicy

no wait, i'm wrong

it's 6s between hold skills, so that's only 12 seconds to get full stacks

now to see what this does to my yae miko's dmg, lol

[astral rapids]

oof, supposedly 16k per aggravated tick currently, if i switch her artifacts to an EM build, would go down to 10k

11-12k with skyward atlas

[astral rapids]

this is convincing to pull a little more on the current weapon banner, actually - sac frags is definitely going to be the way to go for on-field nahida

the new catalyst on nilou's banner will be approximately equal but the second skill proc on sac frags will give you more blooms

[astral rapids]

do we know how long nahida's n1c takes?

wow, went way down a rabbit hole with this, and then i just looked in WFP and found this

zajef just started his pre-release analysis on stream https://www.twitch.tv/zajef77

[astral rapids]

awkward timing, but

vs on-field

interesting that sac frags is better off-field than on

[nimble marsh]

Interesting indeed, i do have an R5 solar pearl so that's great news

[low aurora]

you want 1k EM with nahida imo, which the signi allows.

so go for a CD or EM circlet as well

[uneven crest]

She'd get another 18% CR (based off your 800 EM) thanks to her passive
So you can sacrifice some for CD

[low aurora]

imo, 60/150 crit with 1k EM is the best way to go. especially with bennett, fischl, flex as onfield dps

[nimble marsh]

Nahida's ascension stat is EM so this build would put her at 925 already adding some buffs like instructors Shinobu, dendro resonance, C2 Kazuha or sucrose would hit that value quite easily

[charred moat]

Wth did I just read

All I know is high crit rate

Throw some rock

Refuse to elaborate further

Leave

[astral rapids]

nahida, not ningguang, rofl

[uneven crest]

I WAS SO CONFUSED WHY NAHIDA WAS THROWING ROCKS FISHENDM😂😂😂

[charred moat]

☠️

Rip. Big misunderstanding

I mean

That is how I play

I play geo char which mean the only reaction I know is crystallize

[prisma steeple]

EM goblet with full-EM Kazuha in the team isn't that massive dps loss, right?

Can either put 4* offset Dendro dmg goblet with Deepwood or 5* EM on set with Gilded. No luck with 5* dendro's yet, not even with 3 flats or something

[prisma steeple]

This is what I've come up with so far (really copium), using 50/60 DMC with lvl1 Traveler's handy sword as a placeholder

[boreal oak]

So tldr widsith r5 is best ?

[prisma steeple]

Seems like it
Keep in mind that the passive has 20 sec downtime

[astral rapids]

Widsith is super conditional, plus the downtime, it's only"best" on field. Sac frags is better off field. Zajef's video is supposed to be coming out soon, the charts I posted were from his stream

You're not gonna regret building a widsith or a sac frags either way

[boreal oak]

Did he specify which main stats Nahida had? Was it EM/dendro/crit

[astral rapids]

i think that was the gist, yeah

[gaunt wigeon]

If this your Nahida built your going to need a lot more em

[prisma steeple]

Well I have sac frags, but it's my Nahida build so far, I'm in constant search of better pieces (only getting atk sands)

[gaunt wigeon]

Oog

Oof

[astral rapids]

that's what sucrose/c2 kazoo are for

[gaunt wigeon]

No nahida scales of em

[astral rapids]

...and sucrose, kazoo, diona, and dendro traveller share EM

she also doesn't purely scale off EM

for her A1 passive:

• in aggravate comps, your anemo will be your highest EM
• in hyperbloom comps, your electro trigger will be your highest EM

and when sucrose/kazuha's effects are active, they'll give EM to nahida

[low aurora]

nahida only needs 800 EM + A1 to get to the magical 1k EM for the max Crit buff, which is
> Signature Weapon
> EM / Dendro / Crit
> 4pc Gilded Dreams (assuming no second dendro)
> 3 EM from literally anywhere

[low aurora]

also, fyi

[astral rapids]

Lolololol

Oh, wait, spiral abyss is beyond the map

[low aurora]

still massive af

[gaunt wigeon]

Thx needed this

[boreal oak]

How much ER should Nahida have? Current best build I have is 103%, but I can move artifacts around for 123%

[astral rapids]

On field she shouldn't need any, off field IDK

[shrewd drum]

Other than EM, how much crit ratio should Nahida have? Does she need a lot of crit rate/crit dmg?

[astral rapids]

Her em converts to crit rate

[shrewd drum]

I see. So she doesnt need that much crit rate?

This is my current build for Nahida on lvl 50 Lisa with r3 sacrificial fragments. Im planning to get Nahida's weapon as well

[earnest zephyr]

Magic guide vs Wandering Evenstar vs Sacrifical fragments? Support nahida

I assume most differences will be between Skill Damage and Shrine of Maya Buff

Skill Damage scales with both EM and ATK, so I assume Wandering Evenstar will be better because of the ATK buff.

Since Shrine of Maya gives a buff of 20% of the most em character's em, assuming that's Nahida, Sacrificial Fragments will give the most buff but since it only gives 56 more, that buff is only 11.6 EM.

Magic Guide will increase general damage, I take it that will be just Skill mainly, by 24% if the opponent is affected by hydro or electro. Since skill damage is triggered after a bloom reaction deals damage (be it bloom naturally exploding, hyperbloom or burgeon). I guess if Hydro application is quick enough, the "affected by hydro" can trigger, but wouldn't a bloom core also be created from that? I would assume it'd be better to focus on bloom damage instead, i.e. in a nilou comp.

Does Magic Guide buff affect reaction damage? If it does, that could make it the best for her in a bloom comp, even as support, if not I think it would be bad?

Second question: how much of a difference to bloom dmg would 56 more em on a built nahida make?

I think answering those two questions is key to determining Nahida BiS

[astral rapids]

Literally just use the optimizer at the top of the thread

[earnest zephyr]

I don't think that's what I'm discussing. I understand how my clunky essay could be misunderstood tho

It's less about specific scenarios, artifacts orNahida herself and more about her use and buffs to the team

It matters little to me how the numbers compare to each other (again, around artifacts) as I already know the buffs of each weapon. I wanna know how applicable they are in reality.

[astral rapids]

and that's... literally what the optimizer does

like you can put different weapons on your nahida and check what it does to her damage, you can put your potential teams in and see what it does to their damage

if you wanna really get after it you can put those numbers into a rotation and add them up

"BiS" will depend highly on who's in the team, who's on-field when, and artifact RNG

and, of course, what weapons you have available

if you want BiS for every situation, pull on the lamp. it'll be perfect for her

if you want best of what you've got, then all the major options have tradeoffs that depend on what artifacts you have - except i think r5 solar pearl?

[earnest zephyr]

I tried to figure it out and just couldn't. With an entirely hypothetical and unspecific situation in mind, without even thinking about artifacts, I don't find it too useful.

My conclusion is still that Wandering Evenstar is best as the difference in EM is of 2.5-3.5 substats at most, which is more than I would expect any sane person to care to optimize lmao

And since EM will be worth less and less the more you have, the ATK% it gives will contribute nicely to damage.

[astral rapids]

if you have it, great!

i'm sure zajef's video will be coming soon-ish? maybe post livestream?

[earnest zephyr]

Lmao this was all theoretical, I don't even plan on getting Nahida

Tee-hee~

I just love the math and thought process, don't hold it against me, alright??

Thanks for the help

[astral rapids]

yeah, i would just encourage you that if you're interested in the math and thought process, that with enough effort running the optimizer to get values and then making a rotation spreadsheet will eventually make sense

[earnest zephyr]

Indeed, I'll try figuring that out eventually. And after thinking this much about her, I guess I'll make some wishes on Nahida

[astral rapids]

i mean despite the fact that i've specifically scuffed the builds on all 3 of my archons, they're all so OP that it doesn't matter. that nahida will be the same

[tawdry pecan]

is it better to build her full em or dps?

[astral rapids]

AFAIK her best main artifacts will be EM/Dendro/Crit

for spread or aggravate trigger

for aggravate you'll put an VV shredder in your team on a full EM build, so nahida's burst will share their EM

for hyperbloom, your electro will be a full EM build so their stats will be shared
for burgeon, your pyro will be full EM so same thing

[nimble marsh]

Kind of hard to make a definitive decision for now what's optimal, but i would prioritize EM until you get 800 and then classic CRIT stats and dendro goblet

[tawdry pecan]

ok, thank you

[astral rapids]

i kind of detoured farming DwM/GD into farming to rebuild raiden, so i'm just now coming coming back to this thread. this is lil bro's rec for no set priority

vs deepwood

still not sure which of mappa mare/sac frags/magic guide i'm gonna run, but it seems like mappa mare is a safe choice for calcing artifacts

(I do have a great GD set but it's on kuki and i told lil bro it couldn't be stolen)