🔨・build-discussion

[humble pecan]

Im shit with teams but this is what I did

[stark rapids]

Who is ur dps dude...

[humble pecan]

First half yelan second half yae miko lol

[stark rapids]

😶

@humble pecan 1st half ok

Change ur 2nd half team

[humble pecan]

Do u have any ideas for second half then

[open shore]

Fascinating tbh

[sacred prism]

almost everyone in your team is gonna be a dps
damage per second…

[blazing tusk]

Xiangping support build plz

[oblique pelican]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/dcP4QcNDuL5p2gkXg6PXl4xG6Q55breqsbs76eCRSm0/https/fortoffans.github.io/Characters/en-US/Burst%2520DPS/Character_Xiangling.jpg

[unkempt oriole]

I did double geo if I recall correctly

Lemme check

Yea double geo venti xingqiu

LMAO

[idle granite]

I used pyro against the Thunder Oceanid

[unkempt oriole]

Thunder bird, thunder bat, now thunder oceanid

Dem

[idle granite]

others call it the electro oceanid

[unkempt oriole]

[humble pecan]

Same

[humble pecan]

I call it Oceanid wannabe

[idle granite]

lmao

[grand kestrel]

it is the battusi.

[urban plaza]

I used Koko, ZL, Yanfei and Venti in the team
Yanfei mostly did the damage for thunderbird iirc

ig ning should work too

[gritty tusk]

C0 Kazuha National & C1 Itto Mono Geo | Spiral Abyss 2.8 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTEvfdKm850

[spare thunder]

Can someone show me klee build

[gilded dock]

Electronid

[blazing tusk]

Ayato build plz f2p and i want to put him on Ganyu

[ebon ginkgo]

An easy f2p ayato can run 4 piece gladiator set with the Inazuma crafted sword Amenoma Kageuchi

You'll want to run atk sands, hydro goblet and crit circlet

I personally recommend Gladiator over his other sets (those being either Echoes or Heart of Depth) because you get Gladaiators from bosses, weekly bosses, and can make them using the strongbox, so the likelihood of you having decent Gladiator is quite high just because of how much you get passively

Talents I recommend leveling skill first then burst, and you can completely ignore his normal attacks because his skill is separate from those

[spare thunder]

Tq

[blazing tusk]

Thanks

[rich pier]

Which one

[unkempt oriole]

atlas for me

atlas really poggers

[fleet knot]

second build has 1.3x the attack

and more em

• c6 heizou gets a circlet's worth of cv for free

[rich pier]

Running him in this team for now

Tested the DMG for both builds, Atlas stacked E is 54k and solar pearl with the passive 52k DMG without external buffs not that big of a difference

[fleet knot]

skyward should scale better with buffs due to the higher attack

actually, hmm

what it means is that bennett is more significant for the other build

[fallen helm]

Okay so, I yse Fischl as my Main DPS for quite some time (Physycal) and wanted to Ask is it worth it? Will she be usefull later and is it worth to 3 crown her

I have the skyward harp on her and 4 piece pale flame

[fleet knot]

physical dps units are good early

and maybe a bit later

but once you reach "end game"

they kinda fall off a cliff

[sacred prism]

physical eula builds would argue otherwise

i’ve seen their physical hit 400k and stuff

[fleet knot]

most eula builds are physical but the opinion of her is low and dropping

[sacred prism]

[fallen helm]

I'm at ar 55 and i feel like she could do better

[sacred prism]

like i say, 400k

[fleet knot]

i think she might be considered like, bottom 2 post-1.0 5* dps units?

[oblique pelican]

And I hardly see EULA being used in abyss

[sacred prism]

her playstyle isn’t very conducive to abyss, there’s likely better options for abyss…but if abyss is all you care about, then just make your username metaslave

[fleet knot]

400k vs enemies with health gates and multiple waves/phases

aka literally wasted

400k when enemies have 60k hp is stupid

like its completing wasting your power budget

dealing 60k 8 times is literally 8 times better

despite doing similar total damage

[oblique pelican]

Well, abyss is endgame afterall

[sacred prism]

sure- im not disputing that- but physical dmg builds don’t fall off a cliff was my point

[fleet knot]

sorry but being 8 times worse for doing the same damage IS falling off a cliff

entirely so

[sacred prism]

i mean- clearing content and having fun is what video games are about lol

abyss ain’t everything

[fleet knot]

sus

[oblique pelican]

family

[sacred prism]

it’s nice to get the primos, but once you clear it…then what? you log off genshin and don’t play until reset?

[fleet knot]

i probably play genshin for 30 minutes a day at most

there is genuinely nothing to do

at all

[sacred prism]

so you aren’t having fun? why play?

[oblique pelican]

Yes? I log in for daily comms+resin and log out.

[sacred prism]

sad sad existences.

it’s an open world game. there’s stuff to do- although im sure it gets less to no fun at ar60, as that’s max for now

[fleet knot]

blind copium
that maybe a company will make changes for the better
despite demonstrating countless times that they absolutely will not

[fleet knot]

literally what

collect mint?

there is no fun or joy in collecting resources that are completely, 100% useless

i have 35 million mora

9000+ weapon enhancement ore

and thats AFTER trashing 2000 because i capped out

[sacred prism]

stfu no not collecting mint- although those pinecones are good /j

[fleet knot]

i have thousands of experience books

i picked a 5* weapon yesterday and decided to level it up
i literally had enough materials sitting around that it only took 2 domain runs to 90 it

literally max out a 5* weapon took half a day's resin

there is NOTHING to do

so i play for 30 minutes

i do dailies

i spend resin on crimson witch, hoping for a better timepiece

and i save for dendro

you know how it be

[sacred prism]

i’ll likely agree with you in a month or two, ask me then lmao. but genshin is a current hyper fixation of mine. and in general that’s how i play the game, non stop hours on end for some months, then i barely log into to dailies.

[sacred prism]

ar60 just seems like pain

[unkempt oriole]

He's pretty good with national lmao

Free extra swirl dmgs

[sacred prism]

like i say- ask me in a while i’m sure i’ll have a different view haha- cause i get what you mean

[fleet knot]

i play genshin because botw2 is taking 6 years to come out

[sacred prism]

rdr2 is a good way to sink time

perhaps you’ve done that already

[fleet knot]

rockstar games havent really been my thing tbh

[sacred prism]

i only like red dead- gta is

[rich pier]

I've gotten to the point of whaling for "bad"units in genshin just so I have more chars to build and play cause there is nothing else to do long term in this game 🙈

[sacred prism]

rip, aloy?

[rich pier]

[sacred prism]

i have harp on her too

[modern raven]

I have her at level 20, and random artifacts 😔

[sacred prism]

[scarlet prawn]

for that free wish fr 🤭

[bleak river]

that sands

is disgusting

[bleak river]

what set

i dont rmb the names off the top of my head

[sacred prism]

wanderers troupe

[bleak river]

ah yes

[gilded dock]

huh, weird that it got deleted so fast. that bot I mean

[sonic cedar]

yuh

[near crest]

Need know what 4 star i should build next. I haven't build any 4 Stars except Xinygiu, Bennett and Xiangling. What are some good 4 Star Characters to focus on?

[gilded dock]

why the actual fuck don't you use 4stars

[oblique pelican]

Rosaria, diona, fischl, beidou, sucrose

[gilded dock]

Sucrose Beidou Fischl Xingqiu is like a really strong team

[near crest]

Because I have all the 5 stars

[gilded dock]

so what? half the 4stars are better

[near crest]

That's why I'm here asking what are the good ones 🙃

[gilded dock]

beidou, diona, sucrose, fischl
yanfei if you like playing her, same with noelle since you don't have C1 itto
and obv heizou

[near crest]

Thanks mate

[sacred prism]

everything the other guy said, but add bennett and xiangling

[gilded dock]

@sacred prism he already built those

[sacred prism]

ah okay

[bleak bluff]

what one is better? its for a crit kazuha...

[humble pecan]

Step 1: don't build crit kazuha

Anyways if u actually wanna know right is better

[open shore]

The one on the right is objectively a better piece in general lol

[bleak bluff]

ik its for my friend.. she insist on building him with crit instead of em

[humble pecan]

Left would be a decent Itto off-piece ngl

[unkempt oriole]

crit kazuha is only worth it at C6

[humble pecan]

^

[unkempt oriole]

where u consistently able to apply anemo dmg infused normal attacks

otherwise em outdps crit kazuha like 80% of the time, even if not, the buff is insane

[open shore]

^

[unkempt oriole]

but yea the right one looks good

if ur friend should give up crit kazuha, can drop those pieces for heizou, lmao

[modern raven]

Main dps Venti and Team comp pls

[visual osprey]

the problem is venti does more dmg as support than as main dps

[modern raven]

Isee

But is there any team comp for him?

[visual osprey]

well basically u can use any characters with him that can hit the enemies while theyr being sucked

melee chars hav hard time

i guess u can try the og venti impact meta morgana team, which consists of venti, ganyu, mona, diona

its a pretty specialized team tho, and doesnt work as well these days due to fewer mob floors in abyss and a lot of unsuckable enemies

[humble pecan]

My dps venti does more dmg then em venti

[open shore]

I think DPS venti does more single mob dmg and em venti is better for large amount of suckable mobs?

[modern raven]

Catalysts?

I was thinking dps Venti, Xiangling, Xingqiu, and Diona, for like shield

[visual osprey]

yes except venti ult is not very aimable aginst single larg etarget

[visual osprey]

large doubt unless ur fighting one single hilichurl

[bleak river]

Ah yes
I shall pay money to get anemo infusion

Just get a sucrose or heizou :P

[gritty tusk]

C0 Ayato Taser & C0 Ayaka Melt | Spiral Abyss 2.8 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/xP7HePtTNtI

[timber hearth]

wip xiao

I'm committing to 0 anemo damage bonus

[fleet knot]

dont

youre cutting yourself off from an entire damage multiplier

like 50% more damage outright

30 -> 45k

[gilded dock]

And 5VH is cringe unless they are all your strongest pieces

[sacred prism]

don’t

[timber hearth]

kekw I literlaly can't find anything better

it's my best piece

[sacred prism]

you don’t need 5pc vh you must have a better piece in a diff set?

[timber hearth]

haha no I'm ar 47

[sacred prism]

i’m ar 45, and i have better pieces, rip for you im srry

[bleak river]

skin+c6 slay

[sacred prism]

i want the skin so badly i’m at 15/16

[oblique pelican]

5/16

[modern raven]

Finally i have MonA..!!!! Bwahahahahah...

But still lv 60..🥲

[marble sundial]

Hello

I'm newbie

I wanna ask some questions

Xiao need EM?

How about Heizou too? Need EM?

[modern raven]

No need... He need atk, anemo dmg, crt rt, crt dmg.. And some ER

[bleak river]

heizou...depends

[spare wedge]

Does Ayatos E act as a multiplier like yoimiya E and i'd have to level up Normals too or is his E it's own thing and I dont gotta level up his normals

[bleak river]

no, e has its own multipliers

separate from normals

[spare wedge]

Ty

[unkempt oriole]

nice

[surreal comet]

I've been farming vermillion for ages and I still haven't found crit dmg mask

So I wanna switch

Both goblet and circlet is anemo bonus and crit dmg (and both set don't have extra crit sub)

But which one is better

[fleet knot]

Don't overrate a set bonus, using random pieces but with an anemo goblet may be better

[fleet knot]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcVsEMZO5IVFQdeh8zteZwiNchObfQ684

[sacred prism]

is em build fischl common?

[open shore]

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[ebon otter]

not full em build, prob just atk/el/cr but with an r5 stringless

but em sands def works

i’m not entirely sure but i’d prefer atk over em considering oz scales off atk

[acoustic pumice]

does em increase electrocharged?

[sacred prism]

yep-

[sacred prism]

yeah i could give her string less-

i also have rust

[open shore]

Yeah stringless is prob her best 4* weapon, esp in electrocharged cus it buffs oz with the passive too

[sacred prism]

i have r1 stringless

[sacred prism]

i’d likely be using her in a taser team/battery for beidou

[ebon otter]

rust is okay if you’re building her physical but other than that stringless is probably your best option

[open shore]

^

[acoustic pumice]

sadly i dont have rust

at all

[ebon ginkgo]

em fish might be crazy when dendro comes out we'll have to wait for final release though

[grand kestrel]

EM Fischl?

[ebon ginkgo]

Yeah

[sacred prism]

my c1 beidou running sacrificial greatsword. she’s defo not fully built but for now this seems okay.

^^ and she has a 46.8% electro dmg bonus.

[sacred prism]

any huge improvement suggestions? ^

[timber hearth]

you going sub dps or main

[visual osprey]

farm the hell out of esf

best sugestion for beiod

[sacred prism]

i amnt sure rn, i think she’ll be a dps eventually

[visual osprey]

beidou doesnt get much value for being onfield

she snapshots so all u gotta do is pass the buffs and it'll b fine if shes offfield

[sacred prism]

i amnt gonna run her w that- she’s gonna have a battery so her we will be relatively low

[visual osprey]

i find that even with a battery u want >180% ER

if ur relly skilled tho mayb u can use less

its really hard to swap parry unless u see the attack coming for a long time

[open shore]

I run her on like 130 with fish and it's not bad in event domains on difficult level

[sacred prism]

i doubt i’ll be putting that much er on her- she’ll be ran with fischl i think, so she’s the battery

[open shore]

I don't run her in abyss tho so dunno

[visual osprey]

well in domains where u can get kills u gain a lot of extra energy

[river ore]

@visual osprey has leveled up to LEVEL 7

[visual osprey]

in abyss many times u cant, and theyv been putting less and less energy giving enemies in the abyss

the newer enemies all give less energy for their hp pool when dying

[open shore]

Even just the robot ones where there's only a few she seemed fine 🤔

Fair enough

[sacred prism]

cause beidou is bae

[visual osprey]

well mayb it will work, try it

if u can run lower thats better

but 130% is really really low lol

[open shore]

Having higher won't harm either but I wouldn't main stat or er weapon her if you've got fish

[visual osprey]

at that point its not even worth running esf

[sacred prism]

she’ll have higher er than that- she’s copium build rn

[open shore]

LMFAOO I didn't even eosf piece for her

[sacred prism]

i wont run her that

[visual osprey]

hihi

fun fac

[open shore]

130 is on 2 18+ sets

[fleet knot]

What's that

[humble pecan]

I thought u said something very different for a sec-

[chrome raven]

should i keep these two artifacts for diluc? they're not great so far but he's only level 70 currently with not that many great options. i'm level 55 but it's hard to get good luck in the crimson witch domain

[bleak river]

Well you don't know when you're gonna get anything better

So ye keep em

[rustic plank]

the feather is decent imo, keep them unless you really really need cr

[chrome raven]

my crit rate is at 50% currently so i should be fine-ish?

[bleak river]

Yea the feather is good
All the stats that rolled are useful

Personally 50 is a bit low, but if you're alr using a cr circ, welp

[chrome raven]

i am using a crit circ actually, it's just not fully maxed because the substats are trash

[bleak river]

Ah ic

How far along isit? (What level)

[chrome raven]

so it's like.. 25-ish crit rate w/o?

level 16

[bleak river]

Owh

Idk, it feels low

[rustic plank]

not fine tbh, I guess he should be fine within 70-ish cr
my diluc build is 64% cr and it feels like 50% proc tbh

[chrome raven]

I know. The good thing about Diluc though is that he gains crit rate with ascension so it shouldn't be too low by the time i bring him to 90 (i've wanted him for a while.)

[chrome raven]

mmm. should i try for 75/150 for my crit ratio?

[rustic plank]

my personal goal is 70/150, if u wanna try as well
that's my comfortable spot

[chrome raven]

mmm yeah that works i think!

i feel like crit dmg is easier to get on my substats for some reason

unless i use a cr circlet

[rustic plank]

cdm is easier to reach indeed

[oblique pelican]

One SS for all your crit needs

[chrome raven]

you want a screenshot of my highest dmg with him?

[oblique pelican]

Serpent Spine^

[chrome raven]

OHH that makes more sense!

i actually haven't gotten the bp weapons before-

i'm a lowspender but i normally only get welkins-

[oblique pelican]

Yeah, F2P claymore options are scarce

[bleak river]

Well archaic seems to be best f2p for him(?)

Idk about the tuna

[chrome raven]

I actually do have Skyward Pride but that's not the greatest for him

this is the full build here

[bleak river]

Considering his very low burst cost, yeaa

[oblique pelican]

It should be the Rainslasher, slightly better on reaction teams

[chrome raven]

not great ik but like i said, he's only level 70. (i got him while pulling for kazuha)

[bleak river]

Ah yes painslasher

[oblique pelican]

It should be better than Skyward pride too imo

[chrome raven]

yeah it would be pretty good i agree i just don't have it on my acc lmao

[river ore]

@chrome raven has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[oblique pelican]

I got both diluc and pride in this patch

[chrome raven]

Mmm I feel your pain

Hopefully I can get some better pieces for Diluc tomorrow. And maybe pull Kazuha in 10 minutes

[bleak river]

The artifact slog is never ending

[chrome raven]

I know..

[rustic plank]

Just give up farming 4-set for him, and use the alternative like 2 WT 2 CW lol

mine, most of these are hu tao's leftover so don't mind the flat atk there

[bleak river]

Delicious flat atk

[crimson falcon]

Does anyone know how I'd go about calculating the difference in damage for a Zhongli burst between a Zhongli with a geo goblet and a Zhongli with a hp goblet? Testing in game is difficult since artifacts have random sub stats.

A streamer said that a geo goblet would do more damage, but wouldn't the hp goblet also contribute to damage since Zhongli's ascension passive increases his burst's damage by 33% of his hp?

If a geo goblet does indeed do more damage, would it be a lot more, or just a little bit more?

[bleak river]

Check genshin optimizer

Input your artifacts, char and weapon and see which does more dmg

Simple

[surreal comet]

Huh there is a thing?

[bleak river]

Yes...

[surreal comet]

Where

Like is it an app or website

[bleak river]

Search genshin optimizer

[river ore]

@surreal comet has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[bleak river]

Website

[surreal comet]

Oh ok

[bleak river]

It's the GitHub one

[crimson falcon]

That's a great solution, thanks!

[surreal comet]

There's so many button to press,

[gritty tusk]

C1 Hu Tao Trio Mono Pyro & C1 Itto Triple Geo | Spiral Abyss 2.8 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/7gSGcrYiyWo

[shadow sleet]

hi i have eula, raiden, yae, keqing, qiqi and all 4* except for kuki. could someone help me with making teams?

[unkempt oriole]

Raiden xingqiu Bennett xiangling

[shadow sleet]

oooo thank you! do you mind explaining the team rotation a bit?

[unkempt oriole]

Eula fishcl beidou diona

[shadow sleet]

thank you a lot!

[unkempt oriole]

Basically in this Raiden team you look forward to complete all burst in a cycle, and repeat

Starting with Raiden E, go on with the rests burst before Raiden Q

[shadow sleet]

ooo okok does the order of the other bursts matter?

[oblique pelican]

Xiangling needs Bennett's particles, so Bennett burst, skill→XL burst, skill

XQ burst, skill you can place it before or after^

[shadow sleet]

ooo alright alright thank you so much!

[ebon ginkgo]

I normally do Bennet burst, skill→XL skill, burst so that I can give time for Bennett's burst to grant XL the atk buff for the snapshot

The only problem with this is that sometimes you don't get the energy from Bennett because the skill casting takes too long but id prefer to miss out on 2 particles and get the atk buff

[oblique pelican]

Well, I do not insta ult. So there's that...
I switch to XL first

[azure cradle]

why do i see lore player builds only

[oblique pelican]

Plus, doesn't the particles generated by Bennett's skill go to waste if XL uses her skill first?

[ebon ginkgo]

It depends on how fast you are/where the particles genned

At ~20 ping I can pull it off most of the time as long as I don't mess up what I'm pressing

[oblique pelican]

I play at near bout 300 ping, so even I had had to insta ult, Bennett buff would still be there

[ebon ginkgo]

Ah

[oblique pelican]

If I use guoba before pyronade, Bennett skill is wasted

[visual osprey]

yea usually for rational u go:
raiden E -> bennet QE -> xiangling QE -> xingqiu QE(EQE if sac) -> raiden Q

the important parts here is that u snapshot xiangling's Q, and double vape xingqiu E while under bennet buff

well and make sure u get to raiden Q before bennet buff expires obv

[fluid orbit]

How's my fischl? 2pc glad+shime, will be c6

[humble pecan]

How much ER does support mona need without a battery

[crimson bough]

200-300 er depending on team composition, rotation, eg, mobs

[sacred prism]

idk- but for an estimate- my bennett has 180% er and he’s self sufficient for energy. you’ll probs want- minimum 200% rlly it’s as much as you can get.

[bleak river]

Mona gens less energy and has more expensive burst

[modern raven]

Question

Kind of stupid but

Is 4 piece shimenawa good for NINGGUANG

[crimson bough]

no

[modern raven]

Or a 2 set shimenawa with archaic

[crimson bough]

its good

[modern raven]

Thanks

[ripe ember]

does anyone use chongyun with xiao for cd cooldown or is it just me

[gritty tusk]

C0 Heizou National & C3 Raiden Shogun Double Geo | Spiral Abyss 2.8 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QRoPm4gV9A

[modern raven]

Lol i just realized you used Heizou’s music 🤭 cool video senpai!

Ooops heizou or yelan? I forgot. They sound the same 😅

[gilded dock]

a bit low on CD

[fleet knot]

if anything, youre a bit low on cr

they have a near 1:2 ratio

[modern raven]

For 35-40ar🥺

[sacred prism]

no bennett- big sadge. but nice characters

[ionic bronze]

at least build Kazuha & Xiangling

[modern raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/960640841624457247.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[fluid orbit]

2pc troupe is an equally good choice as shime/glad?

[gilded dock]

In reaction comps. 18% isnt much

[fluid orbit]

Ok, I’ll see if I have better troupe pieces than shime or glad to put on her

[drowsy pine]

Is it worth it to farm Thundering Fury for 2pc TF/2pc atk or is the dmg difference not too high when compared to 2pc atk/2pc atk? (for keqing)

[sacred prism]

it’s pretty similar overall. but for more detail- it depends what you use here for, team comp etc.

[ocean ember]

I personally prefer 4p TS, but I guess it's the hardest to farm for since well, it's a 4p

[bleak bluff]

what characters would do well with skyward spine?

and could it be used on eula?

[idle granite]

spine is the polearm and pride is the claymore

[humble pecan]

It cant be used with eula bc eula isnt a polearm

[idle granite]

lol