i think its pretty good for now
#🔨・build-discussion
oblique pelican
It is
sacred prism
bit more crit rate and EM, but she looks good
crystal heath
bit more crit rate and EM, but she looks good
62 is alot isnt it?
i am using catch also
oblique pelican
62 is alot isnt it?
What they meant was 'excess crit'
sacred prism
62 is alot isnt it?
just looking at your artefacts you could use more cr
crystal heath
just looking at your artefacts you could use more cr
me?
ik u tagged me but
62 and catch passive
i thought was good
sacred prism
depends what use you have for her tbh
oblique pelican
just looking at your artefacts you could use more cr
She doesn't require any more crit, at all.
Catch gives +12cr in itself
sacred prism
Catch gives +12cr in itself
yeah ik
sacred prism
She doesn't require any more crit, at all.
more crit is possible - and would be nice was my point
oblique pelican
If it's CDmg, yes.
If you mean CRate, you're wrong
bleak river
Cr is still nice
sacred prism
If it's CDmg, yes.
If you mean CRate, you're wrong
no more cr is possible, and there’s never a need to have less CR
upper sable
I would say more then anything she has a very low attack value you cv obsessed ppl
oblique pelican
no more cr is possible, and there’s never a need to have less CR
Not when you're sacrificing CDmg for it
upper sable
oh thats where your wrong
oblique pelican
I would say more then anything she has a very low attack value you cv obsessed p...
Than*
upper sable
the avr dmg of a 80cr 220 cd hu tao is higher then 70/255
oblique pelican
HuTao🤔
upper sable
higher avarage is usually what you should be aiming at
and if it comes down to Eula she has so much invested in one single hit that cr on her either has to be over 70 or you have to make sure you run Rosa with her to make sure that one single hit does crit
so if your trading 20cd for 10cr thats a trade you should always take
oblique pelican
Yeah, but it ain't EULA we were talking bout here
upper sable
Raiden is not that much different you have a small window of time where you do alot of dmg
60 is good enough don't get me wrong but having more is always better
oblique pelican
Sure
upper sable
considering you have to manage 4 stats with her being att cr/cd and er min maxing all those stats is basically impossible you will always trade one
crystal heath
hmm
sacred prism
higher avarage is usually what you should be aiming at
exactly :))
sacred prism
teams?
gilded dock
- before AR45, not really necessary
Sucrose Beidou Fischl Xingq--- oh you are missing him, huh
sacred prism
1) before AR45, not really necessary
2)
Sucrose Beidou Fischl Xingq--- oh you ar...
yeah it’s pain
gilded dock
Could shoot for yelan, but the next patches are loaded
sacred prism
Could shoot for yelan, but the next patches are loaded
yeahhh
frail eagle
heyy
can someone advice me on who's banner Im gonna pull pls
I have these characters
modern raven
pull with your heart and your heart only
fleet knot
ok well, while summoning for who you like to play is a very important aspect
its not the ONLY one
you already have a good cryo dps so you dont need much more
but since you can run ayaka on one half and xiangling on the other, i'd recommend going for supports
every time you summon a new dps from this point on, it requires that you put a dps you already have on the sidelines
"wasting" those summons
open shore
Solution: save your sanity and don't abyss 🤗
sacred prism
Solution: save your sanity and don't abyss 🤗
i’m on floor 5 chamber 3
it’s so much pain
wise oak
rip
modern raven
hi
jolly thorn
pull with your heart and your heart only
so true
naive wasp
Solution: save your sanity and don't abyss 🤗
My brain is evaporating 
unkempt oriole
didnt build xiangling?
naive wasp
Not using the recommended teams 
south bough
啊
modern raven
Quite easy to clear with this team comp..
modern raven
I find sukokomon p fun tbh
Owh.. Sucore, kokomi and who is the rest?
frigid dock
omgg I 36* both this and the previous abyss... at ar57... 
for the first and second time :')
bleak river
Fischl kokomi xiangling sucrose
Guoba swirl and tight rotations are the only difficult part
And ig staying alive at the end of the rotation
Where sucrose is the on field and kokomi jellyfish is gone
fleet knot
reverse kokomi
naive idol
yo
modern raven
trying to build xiangling and xingqiu
bleak river
And?
timber hearth
pull with your heart and your heart only
Me pulling on itto with my built c6 noelle
only because how chad itto is
modern raven
i already have it though
unkempt oriole
alright
modern raven
and im equipping harbinger on him since he has a crit rate circlet
unkempt oriole
interesting
modern raven
Mona i just plan on 4pc Emblem, Im benching Yanfei so that Mona can use the other widsith
bleak river
Well he isn't gonna be onfield most of the time so he'll be above 90% mostly unless corrosion ig
modern raven
Well he isn't gonna be onfield most of the time so he'll be above 90% mostly unl...
can he work with Yae Miko?
unkempt oriole
Well he isn't gonna be onfield most of the time so he'll be above 90% mostly unl...
true
unkempt oriole
can he work with Yae Miko?
yea if ur yae is not quick swap dps
unkempt oriole
sucrose?
unkempt oriole
that'll work ig
bleak river
Chongyun makes little sense to me
modern raven
Chongyun makes little sense to me
Xingqiu and Chongyun ig
i slap them together whenever i can
sacred prism
Xingqiu and Chongyun ig
chongyun works best with keaya imo.
bleak river
Budget ayaka
sacred prism
Budget ayaka
i’m f2p so yea- also if kaeya wasn’t free then everyone would want him. we just assume he’s bad cause we get given him 
bleak river
Prob 4vv for support
2vv 2atk% for dps
gritty tusk
C0 Ayato Cursed Freeze & C6 Rosaria National | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9star
https://youtu.be/8Ex5GxVZpBE
sacred prism
i use anemo aether too-
ig it’s same build as most anemo really, high EM, hp etc doesn’t really matter, cr/cd needs an average amount i’d say. i also built my aether to do high physical dmg as it was useful for me
limpid urchin
how much ER Xiangling needs in national raiden?
limpid urchin
how much EM Xiangling needs?
limpid urchin
As much as you can give her
bro I also need to give her crit damage and crit rate, I don't want to give her like 400 em
wait
how much EM Xingqiu needs?
upper sable
0
open shore
bro I also need to give her crit damage and crit rate, I don't want to give her ...
I meant with spare substats lol
I have 192 on her 🤷
open shore
he doesn't need em? fr? even when I vape with him with Hu Tao?
Hu tao is vaping so she needs the em, he's just applying wet to everything so no em needed
limpid urchin
Hu tao is vaping so she needs the em, he's just applying wet to everything so no...
does Yelan needs em?
when I use Hu Tao Yelan XQ
upper sable
no
limpid urchin
how much em Hu Tao needs?
open shore
Hu tao likes at least 100, but the more the better
upper sable
what kind of hu tao are you running
open shore
Sucrose is valuable
limpid urchin
what kind of hu tao are you running
dps
open shore
Ye
There's a reasons dragon's bane is huge for her 👌
Done properly I think r5 db is on par with homa
limpid urchin
I use staff of homa
upper sable
Em hu tao generally outputs more dmg in reaction teams
grand kestrel
.>
open shore
And if you're not running hu tao with xq anyway what are you doing
limpid urchin
what about attack? how much attack hu tao needs?
grand kestrel
Yelan.
upper sable
but if you consider like solo runs HP equals out
upper sable
what about attack? how much attack hu tao needs?
0
limpid urchin
fr?
upper sable
it does not hamper her
open shore
Don't need to build ATK on her, but substats are not invaluable
upper sable
but all her attack comes from her HP to attack conversion
open shore
Her autos are still based on her total ATK, but HP increases her ATK more than atk substats
limpid urchin
Alright so HP >> attack
open shore
So if you have spare ATK hanging out in subs, it's not the worst thing
upper sable
HP hu tao like 4 to 5k
i'm not sure i can check
give me jsut a sec
yah so mine at 35k hp has 4k attack under 50% with homa
limpid urchin
Okay
upper sable
on elemental mastery i have 3.4
open shore
Iirc em also takes priority over crit dmg if you're under 100
upper sable
with 28k hp
my hu tao gains 444 attack from her artifacts
I have mostly hp substats
grand kestrel
I really need to commission someone to make Hut Ao.
open shore
Wut
upper sable
Thats what im running
limpid urchin
My Xiangling have 700 EM is it overkill
oblique pelican
Atk sands hmm🫂
upper sable
then how tf do you have 700 em is every stat on your Xianling em
upper sable
oh
upper sable
never considered that an option
pyro goblet
i would say a perfect for me xianling has 60cr 160-180cd 200em and 180 er
limpid urchin
down to 600 em
limpid urchin
the more em the better?
upper sable
well you still need to crit
limpid urchin
idk how I'll make the em go down
upper sable
tat honestly looks great
limpid urchin
gotta farm some more emblem
upper sable
just drop the em goblet and go full emblem
mine has 401 em but i consider mine rather bad
her cr and er stats are abismal
limpid urchin
well you see, my emblem ER sand is taken by Yelan
open shore
If no is using catch, stick it on xl
unkempt oriole
Alternately u can refer to the guide
open shore
Er problems gone lol
upper sable
Dragons bane is perfectly viable
open shore
Yep
unkempt oriole
It's alright to dragon bane xl
open shore
Db pretty good
unkempt oriole
Just keep up with the er instead of em
open shore
But that amount is em is wrow
unkempt oriole
With that being said u can switch em sand to er
open shore
A pyro dmg goblet prob better
river oreBOT
@open shore has leveled up to LEVEL 15 
limpid urchin
Just keep up with the er instead of em
Alright, so like 250%-ish?
upper sable
anh er is fine
unkempt oriole
200% is Good enough
upper sable
200 max
unkempt oriole
For national
unkempt oriole
Id do 180 er
upper sable
i go with 177
unkempt oriole
Yes you could use atk
upper sable
i would love to get 200 jsut to streamline energy farming
well if he runs bennet is there a point
like how high can he get her 1200
open shore
Always a point to more ATK lol
upper sable
true
open shore
Esp if 197 er like that's a lot lol
upper sable
but seems good enough
open shore
If you can get an ATK sands with some er, you would be better off on a raiden
unkempt oriole
U could go for one run @limpid urchin and see how much dmg is her ult doing with xingqiu sword
upper sable
i would not go out of my way to change that xianling
open shore
If you have other characters that need building, leave her, if you don't need to build others, see above recs
unkempt oriole
Vaping around 30k+ should be already good enough imo
upper sable
yap
50k with a fin r5 is the best i have seen in terms of pure xianling performance but there are some insane ones
unkempt oriole
Just tweak around em and atk for your current build
Honestly convert like your current 400em to atk would be amazing
limpid urchin
do i go full emblem or is 2 noblesse oblige and 2 crimson witch good enough?
river oreBOT
@limpid urchin has leveled up to LEVEL 17
upper sable
if You have a wavebreaker at r3 or higher you can try it
open shore
I accidentally made my xl a little busted when prefarming for Thoma
unkempt oriole
Full emblem is good imo
upper sable
do i go full emblem or is 2 noblesse oblige and 2 crimson witch good enough?
you get a bigger dmg boost and free er from the emblem
unkempt oriole
Since you're like halfway there
unkempt oriole
you get a bigger dmg boost and free er from the emblem
Er u mean
limpid urchin
you get a bigger dmg boost and free er from the emblem
how about full crimson witch
open shore
I think crim is her best in raiden National
unkempt oriole
You could do that too, but arguably crimson is ass to farm
oblique pelican
how about full crimson witch
Who's gonna farm CW when you have emblem
unkempt oriole
^^ like sifu said
Eosf is efficient for xl as of now in national team
She's energy hungry
Eosf kind of solves it
upper sable
EOSF is just way too good
limpid urchin
Who's gonna farm CW when you have emblem
I got scraps from Hu Tao
upper sable
again your free to test the performance
against lvl 100 enemies
and decide
whatever works best for you
oblique pelican
I got scraps from Hu Tao
I wouldn't be farming that domain; even for hutao
upper sable
your min/maxing the fun out of the game
CW is not a good pyro domain at all it is unfortunetly the only one we have
open shore
I am now back to farming cwof for my hu tao sadly lol
upper sable
there are 2 characters in the game that can benefit from the full effect of 4pc CW
oblique pelican
And the enemies take too long to spawn too. Idk why they don't spawn at the same time and decide to come in waves
upper sable
from both sides of the domain
upper sable
why is it not teleporting 😄
open shore
Why is it ignoring me
upper sable
open shore
Late cus I don't usually have my details public but here's my xl who I use in Childe national and she vapes like 53k on floor 12
limpid urchin
is 461 em with dragon bane included is good enough for Xiangling or do i add a em sand
oblique pelican
Mine just exists
upper sable
mine is similiar to Jayci but with 47% cr
also just exists
I don't use her that often to add resources to her well being
open shore
I tried to get wavebreakers but got 6 mouun moon instead jfc
upper sable
i have a r5 fin but the catch is more convenient
open shore
My xl is a product of just burning resin in eosf domain cus I dunno who to build
bleak river
I don't rmb what my xl has, other than
She has catch and eosf
unkempt oriole
My shit build but she does what i need
bleak river
Her burst is crowned
upper sable
as long as she works
open shore
My xl is built cus I love Childe too much to not use him 😂
unkempt oriole
Uid
bleak river
It's prob funerational xl
open shore
I hate that my xl is my best built unit cus I haven't ever specifically farmed for her 😒
Whereas my hu tao is suffering lol
bleak river
Is that mine?
unkempt oriole
bleak river
Looks like mine
upper sable
yes
bleak river
Seraph you slow XD
unkempt oriole
Urs
upper sable
mine is c6 
bleak river
So she's not on funerational rn huh
unkempt oriole
Mb lol
bleak river
It's fine XD
open shore
Funerational dhdhdhd
bleak river
Funerational just deletes
bleak river
\
I'd just like to mention
This is my best pyro goblet in terms of cv
Second best is about 20 cd
open shore
Same for my xl, I've been trying to get a eosf cdmg hat to drop so I can steal it for hu tao 😒
bleak river
Actl Tao has a different goblet
One with 63 em
XL can't live without this goblet
She won't crit XD
open shore
My tao is suffering with an on set with 7crit rate so I can change her shitty feather
None of my other pyro goblets have enough crit rate for hu tao lol
My hu tao is ASS
bleak river
I'm p sure tao is on my showcase too
open shore
My best piece is a def sands that only gorou can use rn dhdhjfjfs I want a husk geo goblet to give it to itto lol
bleak river
And I had a 20.2cd pyro goblet with HP subs prepped for tao
But no
Optimizer said that tiny cr with a bunch of em is better
open shore
I have a 37cv flower I can't give to hu tao lmfao
bleak river
Look at my tao's feather
19.2hp%
oblique pelican
I have this Pyro cup; on my alt sadly
bleak river
Or some high number
open shore
My cwof cdmg circlet is fantastic for hu tao but Homa says no
bleak river
Just run pjws /hj
open shore
My hu tao on DM outperforms my Homa hu tao on single target lmfao
Sadly multi target is still homa
So not worth switching
bleak river
Ah right
I keep forgetting the passives
open shore
That's why I'm back in cwof domain because I feel this is just unacceptable for hu tao lmfao
open shore
I have an r5 but I haven't tried rearranging my Artis for that
bleak river
But I think funerational with its 3 fav weapons can get her to enough energy for the next rotation
(4-5 fav procs)
open shore
Dhshdhdhs wrow
bleak river
5th one is if you have r5 sword
open shore
Ehhh db hu tao has 73/133 dunno if that's better than Homa lmfao
bleak river
I have 62/168 on dbane
open shore
I like the 70 rate tho 😂
bleak river
With 163 em from artifacts, so switching to homa is good XD
bleak river
20k per CA difference tho
From r2 dbane
bleak river
With how much em (not incl db)
open shore
61 lmfao
bleak river
Kek XD
open shore
My cwof artifacts are a joke
bleak river
From my brief foray into cw I got 3 decent feathers…and nothing else
open shore
Sadly my db build is prob not gunna beat my Homa, cus with Homa I can use sucrose and db would have to use Rosa
Cwof keeps dropping baller cdmg stuff that I can't use
So now my benched diluc has good ratio (tho still shit for em so painslasher it is)
bleak river
Funny thing
I only have one painslasher
open shore
I only have two bells
open shore
The first of which took 400 days to show up (not that I am complaining)
bleak river
Gs I don't care about since…I don't use gs chars
And bow would p much only be for diona
Since Sara is…c2
bleak river
Gs I don't care about since…I don't use gs chars
Like my dps are either sword, catalyst or spear users
Funny how things turn out
open shore
Wait gs is...?
bleak river
Greatsword
open shore
Oh sac you mean?
open shore
I got six and no one using it
bleak river
Sac gs
open shore
Since I never use beidou without fish anyway
open shore
And I don't use sayu in battle so she doesn't need the er lol
bleak river
And then fav gs is just…collecting dust
modern raven
does Sayu or Sucrose needs em?
modern raven
just got a nice em circlet
bleak river
Onset (vv)?
open shore
Sayu is generally pretty energy starved
bleak river
(okay it does, a bit, but anyway)
modern raven
okay, thank you a lot <33
open shore
Em main stats on VV already op, doesn't need good substats to be good lol
bleak river
Sayu is generally pretty energy starved
I tend to use ayaka freeze in overworld nowadays
So sayu only sees use in domains like bs/hod
Where raiden xl can kill everything
open shore
I have zero team compatibility in overworld
It's just kids I like
Sayu Childe yelan kazu rn
Hydro slimes make me run
bleak river
Well the thing with ayaka freeze is
Ayaka with her sprint
Kazu with his stuff
Koko for healing
Shenhe for…idk
Usually shenhe is the first to get swapped out
open shore
The way I have built yelan rn, I dunno why I even have other ppl
open shore
I don't like her sprint but I suppose it is very useful in overworld 😂
bleak river
Faster than the normal sprint
open shore
Sayu and yelan 👌
bleak river
Sayu Childe yelan kazu rn
But ye I should prob do this team, just swap childe out
open shore
Sayu is in team for the cute
bleak river
Sayu is lvl 20 tho so she can't heal for shit
open shore
(also for rocks and crystal flies, but mostly for the cute)
bleak river
Which means…yelan dps
open shore
Dhdhhdhs yes yelan overworld DPS is funnnnn
bleak river
My 80/131 yelan
open shore
Yes good
bleak river
(she inherited tao's hp goblet)
open shore
My yelan on the two elements team one shots hilichurls eheh
bleak river
Well
Kazu also one shots (with swirl)
bleak river
To the point where I'm surprised if they live
open shore
And I used to just drop oz and kazu e, everything ded
sacred prism
Sayu is lvl 20 tho so she can't heal for shit
just give her some atk artefacts, don’t even have to be great, she’ll heal well enough for now :))
quasi abyss
floor 11 teams?
i don’t habe chongyun, gorou, and i have raiden, jean, albedo, zhongli, and aloy
i can’t get the pics to load
i’m running Raiden, Xingling, Zhongli, and bennett on the first half and Kaeya, xingqiu, sucrose, and barbara
on the second but i keep dying
the first half works cause raiden does some big dmg, xiangling can take out shields extremely quick AND does some good dmg, zhongli shields and can petrify them, and benny boy can heal and up my dmg by like 800-1k
and the second is just balls to the wall wing it
i keep dying
open shore
Freeze with sucrose isn't doing a whole lot for you
Yanfei might work better than kaeya here
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quasi abyss
Yanfei might work better than kaeya here
she’s not that well built
open shore
Ngl then, in general your characters seem underleveled for floor 11
You've stacked incredible units in the first half but your second half is a bit of a mess 😬 and there's not a whole lot of synergy
You could build sucrose electrocharged team tho
But overall, your current built characters don't have much synergy 😔
Kaeya can be a good dps but he requires a decent build with support
Changing barb and sucrose to at least one other cryo unit gives kaeya a boost
In a freeze team
modern raven
floor 11, first half pyro resonance it's welcome
Second half, freeze team can work
mono geo also works for first half
from my experience, this rotation it's more about brute force than reactions
open shore
Yeah first half has geo wolves so if you build Ning, that could work but seems she's not built
modern raven
you'll need either a good healer or a permanent shield
you can't "die" out of corrossion technically
open shore
If you change barb to diona, freeze works, esp if if your sucrose is swirling hydro for any thing not affected by xq's swords
open shore
Yeah either sucrose EC team or kaeya freeze team would work, just need to build them 😔
Also, not to be an albedo lover but build him dhdhdhhdhds he's low investment and deals a lot of passive dmg lol
Same with fish 😔
quasi abyss
Also, not to be an albedo lover but build him dhdhdhhdhds he's low investment an...
he’s actually kinda built but idk where to put him
open shore
Ah yes
Sadly upper levels of abyss require more team building instead running head first with dps and hoping for the best. For the most part anyway 😔
quasi abyss
if i remember right, Raiden, Xiangling, Xingqiu, Bennett, Kaeya, Sucrose/Traveler (switch artis) albedo, jean, amber/yanfei (switch artis 2p atk 2p pyro) thoma, rosaria (i think), and Aloy (kaeyas artifacts) are built
diona could have benny’s artifacts, noelle could have albedos artifacts, i can built ningguang easy i have a 20 lvl geo goblet
they just aren’t lvled
quasi abyss
mono geo also works for first half
mono geo?
quasi abyss
who would i put in it
modern raven
zhongli and albedo are good enablers for a mono geo comp
quasi abyss
9/9/9 prob
modern raven
9/9/9 prob
i asked in the genshin official TvT
they said 10/9/8
cuz xiao scales off his normal atk
when plunging
modern raven
do i do 9/9/9 or 10/9/8
10/8/9
modern raven
his dash isn't a main source of damage
his normals + burst are
still nice to have it though
unkempt oriole
10 for NA, burst lvl up until the minimum corrosion
modern raven
i'd leave it at 8
unkempt oriole
dedicated enough then 101010
humble pecan
Personally I'd do NA first then try to do burst bc unless u have c6 xiao his skill isnt really something that'll be used often except to mainly generate particles
open shore
Imagine c6 for any 5* 
fleet knot
a lot of c6s are overrated to be fair
like if you could choose any 1 c6 5*, i think youre only looking at one of 3 or 4 units
modern raven
his dash isn't a main source of damage
Sad
fleet knot
meta-wise
modern raven
I ditched my old xiao build for more crit, he has 70/180 smth?
I used Xingqiu's Shimenawa artis since it was much better
that's pretty good
Also yeah, C6 sounds good on paper, but unless you've been playing since day 1, it'll cost you some 1000$ or something
fleet knot
$1200ish
but even without that
a c6 on its own really doesnt do that much for you
the reason people think c6's are so good is because the whales who have them also have whale artifacts and weapons
which put in much more work
like ive seen some people who are f2p and saved up to c6 a unit
and their accounts SUCK
like their account is REALLY BAD
because all they have is c6 xiao and c6 itto
and they cant clear abyss for it
modern raven
C1 is more than enough from reading the cons of my characters
maybe not worth the highest price in crystals, but if it comes from lucky pulls
open shore
I just want to be in a place in my life where dropping money for a c6 is nothing lmfao
Imagine
modern raven
well, even then i'd rather take a few characters at c0 or c1
fleet knot
i was talking to someone yesterday, a c6r5 whale, and they were absolutely CONVINCED that other people just casually had c6 units
modern raven
or c0 + weapon
fleet knot
it was shocking to hear them talk
modern raven
i was talking to someone yesterday, a c6r5 whale, and they were absolutely CONVI...
what-
well, r5 battlepass weapons maybe
fleet knot
someone did a 3 unit abyss clear, xiao zhong first half, solo yelan second half
and this dude was like "yeah they definitely have a c6 xiao, a pre-c6 xiao couldnt do that at all, even with a perfect build"
like bruh
modern raven
well, i have c6, but that's just yanfei and ryuko Bediou
fleet knot
so we asked the person who did the 3 unit clear
and their xiao was c0
who is surprised?
the whale
but nobody else
modern raven
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
open shore
^
modern raven
well, if it is c0 + weapon
open shore
That's a lot of commitment to building and playing without errors
open shore
I would take six additional characters over cons lol
Or an insane build after farming artifacts with primos
fleet knot
early on, for sure
open shore
Or a down payment on a house
open shore
I mean, unless they start power creeping and abyss gets a lot harder, my current team is sufficient and I just want characters to collect lol
Like why I want to get klee now
Absolutely would never use in abyss but she's cute
Also, want to throw bombs off albedo's elevator
Abyss is like 5% of my game time so 🤔
sacred prism
Abyss is like 5% of my game time so 🤔
yeah- open world is far more fun imo
modern raven
I mean, unless they start power creeping and abyss gets a lot harder, my current...
well, we got an absolute unit in the form of Yelan but abyss doesn't seem harder than previous iterations
open shore
This abyss seems easier than previous ones, will have to see if I can still hold my own in future resets 🤔
modern raven
so maybe we reached a cap of difficulty in abyss +- some error
modern raven
i mean, sure new enemies considering sumeru is around the corner
open shore
Yeah they'll prob pop the dendro ascension mat boss in there
modern raven
but overall i've been feeling abyss reached a cap, whether intetionally or not
modern raven
Yeah they'll prob pop the dendro ascension mat boss in there
probably we'll get dendro artifact set as drops, like how they did with echoes + the other one
open shore
Yeah unless they introduce insane def on some stuff just to passively increase eneny HP
open shore
probably we'll get dendro artifact set as drops, like how they did with echoes +...
Hmmm I doubt it cus then only dendro could use? Whereas the current ones are universal? 🤔🤔🤔
modern raven
Hmmm I doubt it cus then only dendro could use? Whereas the current ones are uni...
that's a good point
||well, the 2pc set is rumored to be EM||
open shore
Oh intriguing 🤔
modern raven
so i can see them dropping them in the pool
open shore
Can't believe we about to get effed even harder on artifact farming now that they'll make characters scale on em even if not anemo 🤡
And maybe Yae's kit will finally make sense haha
modern raven
Yae's is...weird
they should have played engineer tf2 to get more creative with her turrents
quasi abyss
Yae's is...weird
i hate yae
she’s weird
her charged attack is so SLOW
i don’t understatement her skill like what
and her burst is
humble pecan
As a yae main, I agree
quasi abyss
as a raiden main, she shouldn’t have given an electro vision to yae
shes work more in like geo or sm
quasi abyss
As a yae main, I agree
how much dmg does she do?
i’ve only used the mini games with her in it
and her burst would do like 37k
and charged like 16k
never noticed her skill dmg🤷🏼♀️
humble pecan
Im terrible at building people but my burst does like 20k per bolt and her skill does like 6-8k per hit
I never really checked her charged atk dmg tbh
modern raven
i'd dare to say there isn't anything particularly special about Yae
most builds are 2atk + 2atk, so she's a raw damage electro dps
But Raiden exists
she can't regenerate energy for the entire team like how Raiden does, and her burst is so costly
grand kestrel
Yae is great if you want to have Fischl on two teams.
modern raven
she isn't xiao who can generate his own particles
open shore
Sadly I was hoping to replace fish with Yae but Yae is just so clunky that fish wins lol
A four star og character wins over hyped up shrine maiden.... Mhy did my girl dirty smh
modern raven
she could have been an interesting character by her deployables alone
grand kestrel
honestly if her E lasted a little longer she'd be fine, you don't even need to use her Q for her to be valuable, it's just obnoxious that the timer is so short.
modern raven
let me guess, they last shorter than Oz?
quasi abyss
A four star og character wins over hyped up shrine maiden.... Mhy did my girl di...
i was expecting liek hu tao level dps💀
grand kestrel
I mean there's three of them, so it stands to reason they last shorter than Oz, but they kinda last too short.
open shore
You can refresh them faster than oz but for and off field DPS, she sure takes up a shit ton of on field time
And she batteries less than fish iirc
grand kestrel
yeah but they do more damage than Oz during their duration.
grand kestrel
so yes, she's spending more time on field, but she's doing more with it... so it all depends on how your team is built.
modern raven
i'd say either
open shore
If say first but your er hurts in both
wind shard
c2
grand kestrel
and yes her burst is weird, it needs better targeting.
wind shard
can make up for er with c1
open shore
so yes, she's spending more time on field, but she's doing more with it... so it...
I'm still hoping sumeru release turns her into on field DPS so her set up is less awkward
open shore
can make up for er with c1
Can't make up THAT much
grand kestrel
I'm still hoping sumeru release turns her into on field DPS so her set up is les...
I'd be okay with that, honestly I like her in general.
wind shard
sometimes she doesn't even crit with 85% xd
grand kestrel
that would be the definition of any % less than 100.
modern raven
sometimes she doesn't even crit with 85% xd
that's how RNG works, mate
open shore
Lmfaooo
modern raven
wind shard
that's how RNG works, mate
modern raven
it's called rate for a reason
open shore
I'd be okay with that, honestly I like her in general.
I'd even be down to use her fun but painfully slow charged attacks if sumeru gameplay lets her stay on field
modern raven
that's a catalyst problem more than a Yae problem
quasi abyss
sometimes she doesn't even crit with 85% xd
childe gaming
open shore
Yanfei's charged seems less long for some reason 🤔
modern raven
Kokomi's charged attack has a sick multiplier, but you can only perform 3-4
open shore
But yeah catalysts in general 💀
grand kestrel
Yanfei has some built in love to her kit
open shore
Maybe a future region will buff catalysts lol
quasi abyss
Yanfei has some built in love to her kit
yanfei lvl 60 7750 dmg crit hit
modern raven
they better buff catalysts if the dendro archon happens to have a catalyst
open shore
Unlikely since sumeru would be the rumoured electro and hydro reactions
grand kestrel
maybe dendro will place a targeting debuff which attracts undirected shots.
open shore
Why would you nerf yanfei and yoi like this lol
grand kestrel
Yoi is great.
open shore
Yoi is adorable
grand kestrel
people just don't play her right.
modern raven
Yoi is great as a character
open shore
Doesn't she just need a good shield or
modern raven
Sadly that's not enough when she can cost you some 200$
grand kestrel
Yoi is great as a primary damage dealer, you just need to use her correctly.
modern raven
Well, that's every character ever
open shore
😂
grand kestrel
I mean it's true, but a lot of characters follow the same formula, Yoi does not.
modern raven
Even Aloy if you slap her some arts and Amos or something
grand kestrel
For Yoi, burst is not her primary damaging effect, nor is it beneficial to her when it is active.
open shore
Aloy on sac tho 👌
grand kestrel
I talked about making a meltabomb team the other day, pairing Aloy and Klee.
modern raven
💦
quasi abyss
Aloy lvl 20 hitting 7k crit 👌
modern raven
Aloy with noblesse is a good support
not great, but good
open shore
I leveled aloy to 60 and 6 burst and she rev melted like 60k or something I was mildly impressed
modern raven
dem eyebrows though
open shore
For Yoi, burst is not her primary damaging effect, nor is it beneficial to her w...
Doesn't she just want to infuse her high scaling normals or something
modern raven
😩 💦
grand kestrel
yeah, I had Yoi crit a normal attack over 60k
grand kestrel
yep,
open shore
Button mash yoi
grand kestrel
E, machine gun till cooldown, Q.
switch to support during Q and back to Yoi for E again.
modern raven
what about echoes yoi
grand kestrel
Yoi+Kokomi obliterates things
modern raven
or echoes anyone
open shore
I hear she needs a reliable shield since the highest scale is on her last shot of the string or something
grand kestrel
I don't generally have a shield in my team, advantage to being a ranged character, you don't always need to be where you can easily be hit XD
open shore
Fair enough
I assume her whole team would have to be ranged ish so you don't have to run around to get into position while setting up supports?
grand kestrel
my typical team with her is Yoi, Kazuha, Yae/Raiden, and Kokomi/other healer
depending on the needs I may switch in Sucrose for Kazuha too
open shore
I had c6 sucrose since like my first week of playing and never built or used her until recently lol
modern raven
c1 is great already
grand kestrel
Sucrose was my first well built character.
didn't hurt that her E will suck in Klee's bomblets as well as her Q.
open shore
👌
open shore
If abyss 9-11 ever need cc, it's just a venti drop lol
grand kestrel
I mean Kazuha and Venti will also suck in the bomblets, Sucrose just does it with both E and Q
grand kestrel
whozou?
modern raven
captain tsubasa
grand kestrel
XD
open shore
For the longest time I only built characters based on how much I enjoyed them in overworld and I just can't with the way sucrose runs so she was left unbuilt lol
modern raven
For the longest time I only built characters based on how much I enjoyed them in...
why 
open shore
I have no idea why cus she hogs the same as all the other girls in that size
modern raven
i find the way Sayu runs quite enjoyable for the overworld
grand kestrel
ah, I fell in love with Sucrose when I realized she could pull elements from the environment, Sucrose by a river? hydro swirly, Sucrose by a torch? Pyro swirly etc...
open shore
I have tried to figure out what it is about her jog but it's so ULGH to me lol i have no idea why
modern raven
open shore
I didn't really understand swirl for the longest time so 🤷
open shore
I dunno
It's mind boggling to me
Maybe it's the ears I have no idea lol even though her ears are mega cute
grand kestrel
could be her boner obsession. nod
modern raven
kitsune ears though
they're cute
you can't call her like that on spanish because it often translates to "bitch"
open shore
Her wat
grand kestrel
she is obsessed with bones.
open shore
Oh. I thought you were being nsfw
grand kestrel
that was the intent.
open shore
Lol successful
grand kestrel
I mean it's too easy to steer the conversation that direction when talking about a girl with a bone collection.
grand kestrel
could be shrug
open shore
She and albedo the problematic alchemists of mondstadt lol
grand kestrel
I mean Albedo would make the absolute most perfect serial killer.
and Sucrose is his assistant so...
open shore
Albedo always ready to end everything
grand kestrel
and yet she keeps a collection of assorted bones.
open shore
This is why I need klee to neutralise my albedo lol
open shore
and yet she keeps a collection of assorted bones.
She's studying hilichurls and how to break the curse maybe
grand kestrel
or you know, supply him with the explosives when he decides to go for broke.
open shore
She stole Beth's powers
open shore
or you know, supply him with the explosives when he decides to go for broke.
And? I see no issue here :)
grand kestrel
Kleemageddon.
open shore
About to have so many fish
grand kestrel
how exactly did the end of the world come about? 'fish blasting'
grand kestrel
heh, she prepared a bomb for the kraken, evaporated the ocean by mistake.
open shore
Also makes sense why albedo build is on def, needs to be tank against bomb
Why do we have global warming? Klee.
grand kestrel
it's amazing how many end of the world words you can manipulate to include her, Kleetastrophe.
open shore
Her specialty
humble pecan
Klee literally could take over Teyvat if she wanted to 💀
open shore
She's too scared of Jean to do that
grand kestrel
for now.
open shore
Alice reveal when
humble pecan
Tbh i thought alice was dead for a long time bc we never saw her 💀
bleak river
itto is now lvl 80
on to talents and artifacts
idle granite
Klee literally could take over Teyvat if she wanted to 💀
I think the puppet could stop her
oblique pelican
idle granite
I think the puppet could stop her
and maybe the tsaritsa
unkempt oriole
Look <:monkaGasp:934119001116782683>
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/97...
dude who tf is this
we need to dox em and destroy their acc
humble pecan
Look <:monkaGasp:934119001116782683>
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/97...
Excuse me u got c2 itto in just 33 pulls 😭
oblique pelican
HYV's favourite and it ain't me
unkempt oriole
mf i need to find this dude and i need to kidnap him
hold him hostage until kazuha comes
and homa
humble pecan
Fr
unkempt oriole
make him pull with his tongue
oblique pelican
unkempt oriole
mf
oblique pelican
She plays Asia tho
modern raven
bleak river
Hyv loves the chinese
But I'm Chinese…
unkempt oriole
"not chinese enough" -hyv
grand kestrel
they like Chinese does not mean they like you. XD
gritty tusk
C0 Arataki Itto Triple Geo & C1 Hu Tao Sunfire Pain | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/RGs8jLZVasw
modern raven
i fixed it so its closer to the 100/200
gritty tusk
Actl that's the most alive hutao's been
💀
fleet knot
my kazuha is stupid rn
literally what are these stats
990 em and 180% ER
triple em mainstats and em weapon
kqm crying over my er on god
gritty tusk
C0 Kazuha DPS Double Geo Anemo & C1 Hu Tao C0 Diluc Double Hydro | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU7DXkaPqF8
bleak river
literally what are these stats
What the actual fk
bleak river
Mine sits at 133 without er sands
fleet knot
i was running a 140 er kazuha until like 2 weeks ago
closer to 3
got the timepiece and flower in that time
bleak river
closer to 3
you're giving me hope
open shore
My kazu with like 120 er and still functional 🤷
bleak river
800 em 177 er
need er for freeze
hello jayci
itto is now 80, wb 90
should i do artifacts or more wolflord?
open shore
Lol I wolflord blitzed for like a week after I got him to a6 him hahahaha
And then it was sad husking time
open shore
Yeah kazu only needs er for freeze comps
bleak river
which is one of my best teams
open shore
I have no cryo kids lol
bleak river
i got premium ayaka freeze XD
open shore
If hydro Herald, I gotta use like Rosa kaeya diona and hope for the best lol
open shore
Ehhhhh do you have an albedo or zhongli lol
open shore
Albedo good 👌
Itto is a very selfish DPS tbh 😂
If no gorou, maybe benny? Could also do yunjin tho not the best. Would probably prefer like fish or something for crystallize shields.
bleak river
im gonna need off field non geo/anemo application for crystallise shields since without a shielder, im gonna need to rely on crystallise shields for geo reso
open shore
Yeah I like to run diona with my itto for safety reasons cus he doesn't stagger easily so he'll just take dmg without me noticing lol
bleak river
ye double cryo with ros diona is an option
bleak river
ive also thought of
double pyro (xl bennett)
double hydro (kokomi ayato)
double electro (raiden kuki/fischl)
open shore
Ya
Benny works for itto but he's prob more useful on a team with better ATK scalings? Tho I guess he'd be here for xl too
I loved using itto in Abyss when there were those hydro mimics lol crystallize shields everywhere
With zero effort
And extra absorbing against the mimics haha
bleak river
Benny works for itto but he's prob more useful on a team with better ATK scaling...
I have a choice between ayaka and hutao for the other team XD
open shore
Just don't use him then lol
bleak river
As in
Ayaka and tao don't need bennett XD
open shore
Yeah that's what I meant by not using benny lol
Take away Benny's HP and c6 him for hu tao lolol
bleak river
He's c2
modern raven
man after kazuha i need to save for ganyu
;-;
i already have her artis (4pc Wanderers - Crit DMG circlet/Cryo Goblet/Em/Er Sands)
humble pecan
Should I put a 5* crit rate or a 4* crit dmg circlet on itto
vagrant moth
depends what you need more
river oreBOT
@vagrant moth has leveled up to LEVEL 3
grand kestrel
I know this is likely an unpopular idea, but has anyone built Xiao as a battery?
modern raven
c1?
grand kestrel
Yelan at the moment, whomever I choose otherwise
mostly just screwing around with the idea, he's guaranteed particles on E so you can easily charge up someone relatively quick
modern raven
it can work indeed
much better at c1 obviously, but if you slap like 200% er on him + noblesse
er/anemo/crit with favonius lance imo
grand kestrel
cool, I'll tinker with it
I got Gorou to 10 friendship so my overworld team is now Yelan, Xiao, Xingqiu and Bennett... maybe a bit overkill but eh.
I may switch Bennett out if I get tired of his healing, or not having a GS for mining shrug
modern raven
if there was a version of prototype amber in other weapon forms, you could make him a battery+healer
humble pecan
Sunfire jean is pog
unkempt oriole
I know this is likely an unpopular idea, but has anyone built Xiao as a battery?
Any anemo unit would outperform him 😂 😂
Like seriously
bleak river
Raiden sunfire overvape ic
bleak river
I know this is likely an unpopular idea, but has anyone built Xiao as a battery?
Very much not worth it
Who are you gonna battery
Theres no sac spear
fleet knot
unkempt oriole
<a:SHEESH:903483227325476904>
Insane recharge on flowers but rip em lmao
U were so close to 1k
fleet knot
i do have a build with 1050em and like 155er
unkempt oriole
Like just one high roll on em would do the trick
Does 155er works well enough tho
unkempt oriole
Dam
grand kestrel
Very much not worth it
Who are you gonna battery
Theres no sac spear
that's okay, I'll just use PJWS instead.
I don't seem to really need much in the way of battery anyway. Just a quick boost every so often.
bleak river
that limits his batterying capability
ah
literally sucrose would be a better battery
grand kestrel
I'm not exactly making him a permanent member of my primary team, just screwing around with him in overworld/domains
bleak river
ah then do whatever
grand kestrel
just thought it'd be entertaining to submit the idea.
bleak river
it is funny to think about
humble pecan
Which should I use on yelan
With stringless her e does like 40k with vape but vh would give her abt 70/180 crit
bleak river
Stringless prob, and get cr circ
static cedar
Gift build yanfei masterr~
bleak river
Huh?
gritty tusk
C3 Raiden Shogun Overvape(?) & C0 Ayaka Freeze / Moryaka / Moryana | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/Hk5BgoHvRWQ
humble pecan
Should I do 43/179 or 75/117 crit ratio fo yelan
unkempt oriole
Should I do 43/179 or 75/117 crit ratio fo yelan
Bruh
drowsy pine
Which artifact is the best for kuki? TotM? Noblesse?
modern raven
Which artifact is the best for kuki? TotM? Noblesse?
4pc Tenacity or 4pc Noblesse
tbh I think Tenacity if you want her for heals
sacred prism
xiao build at ar35?
modern raven
xiao build at ar35?
hmm 4pc Berserker and any weapon with Crit
(White Tassel, Blackcliff, etc.)
whatever is available
sacred prism
hmm 4pc Berserker and any weapon with Crit
alright, yeah i put white tassel on him
modern raven
alright, yeah i put white tassel on him
good
gritty tusk
C0 Kuki Shinobu Showcase | Healer Showcase, Team Comps, Solo Sub DPS Showcase | Genshin Impact 2.7
https://youtu.be/V_j6_YKch4s
timid sphinx
Xiao Crit Ratio:
80/200
He also needs some ER% too
@trim tinsel
trim tinsel
oh thanks
timid sphinx
His artifacts: Original: 2-set ATK% artifacts + 2-set Viridescent
Upped ATK: 2-set ATK% artifacts + 2-set ATK% artifacts
New: 4-set Vermillion Hereafter
Minimal for ER% are 125% so he could generate some particle during his Burst
sacred prism
Xiao Crit Ratio:
80/200
He also needs some ER% too
<@868215290603909121>
fr? 💀
sacred prism
His artifacts: Original: 2-set ATK% artifacts + 2-set Viridescent
Upped ATK: 2-s...
which should i use on him?
timid sphinx
which should i use on him?
What artifacts did you have right now?
If you don't have Vermillion, then give it shot with 2-set ATK% artifacts and 2-set ATK% artifacts.
sacred prism
What artifacts did you have right now?
i got xiao yesterday, im WL3 so i’m just making do with what i’ve got. i have enough viridescent for a 2PC set on him. i can do that- but what else should i use?
oblique pelican
"2pc atk sets"
timid sphinx
i got xiao yesterday, im WL3 so i’m just making do with what i’ve got. i have en...
Just get what you have. Early Game artifacts we're made to complete the midgame. Endgame we're different.
sacred prism
His artifacts: Original: 2-set ATK% artifacts + 2-set Viridescent
Upped ATK: 2-s...
mhm for sure, i’ll use what you said were his original- 2PC Atk% and 2PC viridescent - thanks
limpid urchin
Which piece should I give to Hu Tao?
oblique pelican
1 imo
open shore
Prob the clam. What's your crit rate look like
limpid urchin
Prob the clam. What's your crit rate look like
with the clam it is 55.2% crit rate and 230.7% crit damage
oblique pelican
Now delete the CW sands
limpid urchin
Now delete the CW sands
the one with the attack I would give to Xiangling probably and the one with the hp I would feed to this artifact
oblique pelican
Do it
limpid urchin
btw what is shield strength?
limpid urchin
what artifact set do i give to Zhongli?
bleak river
tenacity tbh
open shore
with the clam it is 55.2% crit rate and 230.7% crit damage
Oh woof 😬😬😬😬
oblique pelican
Shield strength is such a useless stat😩
grand kestrel
at least they didn't include it as a substat possibility
limpid urchin
Which piece should I give to Hu Tao?
is this piece better than the clam piece?
oblique pelican
Yes, more crit rate for you w/ a lil em
open shore
Yes