🔨・build-discussion

[unkempt oriole]

its alright

CW is just higher dmg in general

[silent rivet]

I see, later i will try mix and match like how i did with Yelan..

[unkempt oriole]

if you dont plan to dps with ult SR is like alright

[silent rivet]

LOL, my set for Yelan was 2N0/2EOSF

This is the best and consistent damage i can get, for her E Vaporize i can get to 90K

[unkempt oriole]

I think its okay to full EOSF with yelan

but what do i know

i dont have yelan

[ocean ember]

Yeah, if you're content with her damage, no need to farm from scratch. However, since you do have extra CW sets, I'd personally swap her set. Specially if you get more EM from the CW sets you have.

4p EoSF is Yelan's BiS

[silent rivet]

Im using Elegy for the End

[ocean ember]

But I guess they mean they had to go 2p combination because they didn't have the full set xD

[silent rivet]

NGL, my 4EOSF for Yelan dealing less damage than my current build set as it can Vapo like 78K the highest while my mix and max reach 90K

[unkempt oriole]

maybe didnt stack enough ER

[ocean ember]

They're vaping the E

[unkempt oriole]

but its alright if u have better result with mix

[unkempt oriole]

ah

[ocean ember]

4p EoSF is her BiS, but if you're focusing on E, it's not as good

[silent rivet]

Oh ya, my Yelan is C1 after i accidentally pull 2 random multi to collect starglitter

[tender agate]

guys is 40k hp too much for yelan? i gave her the hp bow but im confused building her

[silent rivet]

Both of my acc, my main 8 pity, my alt 20 pity

[ocean ember]

It's good as long as you have the crit and the ER to back it up

[silent rivet]

Yup, that is how im gonna play her, im playing with her E a lot since i got extra line

[tender agate]

my crit rate is like 70 but crit dmg is low :(

around 140

[ocean ember]

That's fine for a start

What about ER?

[tender agate]

150

[ocean ember]

ER is as important as those on Yelan

Welp, unless you're running her on a double hydro team, that's a bit low

[tender agate]

but i use albedo i never had energy problem

[silent rivet]

Im guessing 40k is overkill, mine 33K, 175 ER, 62/190 crit

[tender agate]

your stats are way better than mines...

[ocean ember]

Albedo isn't precisely a battery for Yelan though

[silent rivet]

I got Ei with her EL, so no need to worry about the ER

[ocean ember]

But hey, if it works for you and you can burst off CD, good xD

[gilded dock]

tbh, 4pc crimson bitch isn't much better than 2WT 2CW on yoi.

[tender agate]

what i meant is i don't have energy problem somehow her ult charges fast

[ocean ember]

Ik, but the main comparison was with 4p SR.

[gilded dock]

imo, WT + 18% ATK seems best from an investment-PoV

both are strongboxable

[ocean ember]

I personally went for 4p CW because I was already farming it for Tao so xD

And got 2 good sets overall, plus some good spare pieces

[silent rivet]

Hmm, unfortunately my godtier stat WT is on my main acc which i crazily farm for my Ganyu there..but hey, thank for the suggestion..ill keep that in mind

[gilded dock]

my WT pieces

[bleak river]

Sheesh

[gilded dock]

the flower could've been 50CV, but too many lowrolls

[tender agate]

how do you show your stats like that

[gilded dock]

enka.shinshin.moe

mentioned it a few times before now

[tender agate]

oh alright thank you..

[gritty tusk]

C1 Hu Tao VV Vape with Jean & C0 Ayaka Freeze with Sucrose | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/Pg032PrXe6Q

[modern raven]

Slayed!

[unkempt oriole]

<@&874036938351448094>

[modern raven]

pain

[fleet knot]

i really wanna see the math to back this up rather than anecdotal stuff

[bleak river]

Pog

[fleet knot]

anecdotal evidence is the same thing that leads people to do like, agreeably dumb stuff

like crit kazuha

that is so universally agreed upon to be worse but from the casual perspective, they might think its better

because anecdotes are terrible evidence

[gilded dock]

good on you for digging up stuff from 22 hours ago

now leave me the fuck alone

[fleet knot]

it was the last unread message from here

i was just going through

and youre out here saying that

ushi can literally hit 3 enemies at once, easily

like vs the lectors from last rotation

i do wonder if this is up to date with yunjin's release

because 50 damage bonus benefits yunjin's contribution a lot more than the 20ish from cw

not sure if yunjin is run on vap teams but the vap bonus would benefit yunjin too, actually

hmmge

[bleak river]

burst is a decent bit of her dmg iirc(?)

[fleet knot]

the calcs that i remember from release is that her burst is like 10ish% of her total rotation damage

definitely worth using

i have to qualify all that with "on her release" though because yunjin came after

[bleak river]

Mhmm

[ocean ember]

I guess you do have a point

[ocean ember]

A bit lost with what you meant here, assume you mean the vape bonus from CW?

[fleet knot]

yeah the 1.5x vap bonus also multiplies the yunjin flat damage

and cw buffs vaps

[ocean ember]

I imagine a common vape team for Yoi nowadays would be Yoi/XQ (or Yelan ig?)/Yun Jin/ZL

I plan to run that myself, though sometimes switching ZL for C3 Jean

[fleet knot]

something about yelan and this current abyss cycle is fundamentally changing how i think about this game

shes too good

just use anything

boutta use a level 1 amber and no artifacts barbara to 9* abyss

on the same team

[ocean ember]

I guess a pro for using 4p SR and not using her burst would be more reliable vapes (?) As in not having the burst occasionally stealing vapes but yeah, I'd still rather run 4p CW or a 2p combination

[ocean ember]

Nice xD

[unkempt oriole]

Have u tried yelan xingqiu duo?

Niche or nah

[fleet knot]

not niche

very powerful

i just used xingqiu on the other half

xingqiu yelan is arguably her strongest duo because it lowers her er requirement so much and xingqiu has some hydro shred

[unkempt oriole]

interesting

[fleet knot]

low er requirement means you can build more damage instead

aka poggie

[gilded dock]

Reason my Yelan is fine with 165% ER

XQ + Yelan battery eachother quite well

Even without sac weapons

[modern raven]

should i lower my er?

[silk nest]

yes

try to increase base atk

which sword do you use rn? favo?

[modern raven]

yea

i have aquila but im currently using it on ayaka cuz i dont have billet for amenoma

[silk nest]

aquila on ayaka is such an useless except high base atk imo

like after ayaka dash her normal attack will change to cyro dmg anyway

[modern raven]

these are only my words

[unkempt oriole]

Get an amenoma

[modern raven]

soon once i get a billet

[bleak river]

Flute ayaya XD

[modern raven]

my stats at ayaka with r5 lvl90 harbinger

[bleak river]

Ah harbinger

But uhh
Why so much cr

[modern raven]

low hp

[bleak river]

You have more atk than me and better crit stats
Kill me (I have msr)

Very nice ayaya XD

[open shore]

Not a single def sub stat eye-

[ocean ember]

It's still decent, purely because of the base attack. Yeah, phys is wasted, but Aquila is an okay option still. If you have enough ER/particle generation, it's better than Amenoma.

[oblique pelican]

[bleak river]

@ocean ember the hutao main, what are thou comments

[ocean ember]

Ajdjsjs

It's looking pretty neat!

Those are some nice artefacts ngl

[bleak river]

almost 100k with homa

so close

17442 difference between the homa and lvl80 r2 dbane

[open shore]

Buff with yelan

[ocean ember]

Darn nicee

[bleak river]

True

if yelan

[open shore]

😱

[bleak river]

but vapes arent that reliable so

[unkempt oriole]

Need some brains for suggestions

What's the best suggestions for double geo teammates ( zhongli+albedo)

Besides tao/Xiao/mono geo

[open shore]

Yoimiya?

[visual osprey]

another double geo teammate

lol

[limpid urchin]

me want Albedo :<

[visual osprey]

double geo is not a core for team, its more of a filler for when u dont have another 2 teammates

[bleak river]

True

An effective filler

[visual osprey]

but problem is now most of the time u can find better fillers than double geo

xiao is like the only place where its still probably best

and even then theres conditionally better alternatives depending on what ur fighting

[bleak river]

Mhmm or tao if you don't have tankfei or thoma

[visual osprey]

no bcos yelanxingqiu pair exists now

[bleak river]

True

[limpid urchin]

I have Thoma, but I kind of don't wanna build him or use him

[bleak river]

And don't have yelan^

[visual osprey]

tru

[gilded dock]

yelan also works with the N-cancel>Plunge on xiao unlike XQ

[visual osprey]

xq also works u just gotta wait like 0.2 seconds more

or do the JET thing

which is better for singletarget anyway compared to quick plunges

[gilded dock]

but waiting => lower dps

[sacred prism]

tankfei is great

[open shore]

Mildly regret getting r5 amber for tankfei, she over heals my hu tao now 😂😂

[gilded dock]

kokomi

[sacred prism]

element wise, i’d go pyro and cryo. or pyro and electro. so probably yanfei and chongyun- orr benny and beidou/yae miko.
you get the idea- two characters that work well with each other independent of the geo and can be batteries. its how i’ve played with geo the best.

[visual osprey]

no i mean the reason u'd bring xingqiu or yelan with xiao is for single target, in which case jet combo is better anyway and guarantees the off field proc regardless

[gilded dock]

swirl is busted tbh

[visual osprey]

oh double geo also mayb cool for mono carry team lol

mayb do a epic 4petra

[sacred prism]

amber is great as a stand alone, but finding her a team, is tough. as she just sucks for pyro application imo- especially in comparison with others. physical build amber is what i prefer

[open shore]

I meant the prototype amber for tankfei lolol
I can't use archers do amber has no use to me 😭😭😭 she's so cute but no 😔

[modern raven]

what would it be better for Sayu?

/em/em/healing bonus?

or em/em/em

building her purely for healing + battery

[open shore]

What weapon?

Sac!

?*

[modern raven]

yes

R2 sac

[open shore]

C6?

[modern raven]

nope, c0

[open shore]

Oh 😔 how much healing do you usually need?

C0 healing is better scaled with ATK if you have sac

Since you can have her ult up quick

[modern raven]

really not that much
By the time xiao has burst, i got hers too and so on

[open shore]

Who else is on the team? If you're not swirling, em won't be too useful 😐

[modern raven]

Ei and Zhongli

So i always swirl her coordinated attack

[open shore]

So basically a swirls sayu for some additional dmg? Noblesse or?

[modern raven]

Trying VV considering Raiden's coordinated attack is my second source of damage

[open shore]

Oh 🤔 I just assumed you were ulting for xiao's ult lol

[modern raven]

Well, if i got the two by the time xiao ults, i usually do both

500 em is i guess a good amount for little Sayu, imma try healing bonus

[open shore]

500 plenty haha what's her ATK? If you don't really need healing, could do er/em/em and that'll guarantee her ult, since she'll mostly do off field. Tho not sure if her ult swirls raiden at that point

Tho if you build like that, noblesse prob better since both Xiao and raiden like ATK, no?

[modern raven]

that's a very good point, was saving EM noblese pieces too just in case

atk is currently 1,100 i think? her burst is at lvl 4, and for now the healing on activation is enough

[tender agate]

good luck building her

guys is er needed for ganyu?

[open shore]

Yeah since you've got zhongli, you're not gunna need much healing unless devil dogs

So battery and noblesse holder seems like a good obtion

[modern raven]

I'm using Xiao Sayu Zhongli and Raiden for the mechanical array and maguu kenki, so i only need healing for Xiao's self damage

[modern raven]

Well, not really
you run a battery for that matter

+cryo resonance

[tender agate]

yeah i have diona

[modern raven]

in that case, you don't really "need" er on her, just whatever is on your substats

[tender agate]

i don't have much er on her but her stats are ok i don't want to mess it up

is she fine?

[modern raven]

absolutely

[tender agate]

alright thank you

[modern raven]

er comes from your battery and killing enemies

[tender agate]

yeah i sometimes use albedo as well

with ganyu

and diona

[modern raven]

it's all good in that case

[tender agate]

thanks again <3

[crystal heath]

@weak cargo

i have a question

[weak cargo]

Go ahead

[crystal heath]

what artifact sets

will u prefer

for

shield + burst zhongli

like good shield

and decent dmg

@weak cargo ??

[weak cargo]

I would go sheild

[visual osprey]

put fav spear and then go full shiel

his burst is not very worth investing

but even if it doesnt do dmg its still useful
its got long iframes with short cd so u can use it as a dodge if u get in a bad spot
the cc is also really nice and gives u some time to setup aginst larger enemies that cant be controlled with anemo
plus it takes a big chunk out of any shield

[open shore]

if you really want, have heard catch makes his ult fun to spam

[crystal heath]

i have jade spear thats why

i wanna build him like that

[fluid orbit]

How's my ttds 4pc nob mona? How important that mona needs 250% er with ttds?

[visual osprey]

for nobless ttds mona ur not really that concernd with her personal dmg, so ER is a important stat to stack

that way her ult is always up and u can always give thos buffs

[fluid orbit]

So 246 isn't enough?

[modern raven]

that's more than enough

nice crit numbers though

[fleet knot]

Na
300 er would be goated

I think I've only got like 260 before his c2

[fleet knot]

Her heal doesn't scale off em until c6

Atk atk hb will be best

But er atk hp is probably better

[modern raven]

was talking about her passive:

[fleet knot]

Those heals are indeed super minimal, and from her e they take a long time

Because of how the timing works out with her e's icd and that 2s cd

[modern raven]

ye, but the little that it does is more than enough currently

roughly 1.5k each 6 seconds or so

[vagrant moth]

Someone help me decide which one of these is better, it looks to me like it's pretty same-ish

also no bulli bad artifact I keep getting crap

[open shore]

Prob the top one, has some Crit to offset the def

But also, no husk? 🥺

[vagrant moth]

no, like I said, terrible, terrible luck with husks

[open shore]

Ah, unfortunate. I still say the first cus you've got geo dmg

[vagrant moth]

Hopefully I can get her C6 soon as well

really love her, she carried me through entire game

[blissful wagon]

depends on how you use Noelle, I'd prefer the bottom one though

[vagrant moth]

I wanna start going into DPS Noelle direction

[open shore]

Ah if tys is a Noelle player, go with their suggestion since I am not 😔

[blissful wagon]

with pure DPS you pretty much only care about sweeping time, esp. if you have another shielder in the party

I'm trying to find out if you want DEF% or Geo DMG% - my instinct says DEF% at C6, but I'm going to double-check

[open shore]

I instinctively pick elemental dmg goblet lol tho she might scale harder on def 🤔

With whiteblind, would it not be diminishing returns tho?

[vagrant moth]

I do have Zhongli so shields are a non issue anymore

[blissful wagon]

So at C6 with a crowned sweeping time, every def% is added to attack at 135% - i.e. for every 1% of damage you get 1.35% of more attack /and/ you still have that 1% extra def

[vagrant moth]

So now I just wanna try to build Hyper Noelle

[blissful wagon]

you also have a better shield and healing (not your priority, but...)

[vagrant moth]

nice, so with C6 dmg is better

hey, pop E live forever

[open shore]

C6 is optimal for a DPS Noelle iirc

[vagrant moth]

fingeers crossed for rerun soon

[blissful wagon]

definitely want C6 - that's a huge boost to her damage. Though I have her at C5 and she's no slouch

[vagrant moth]

same, she clears easy

[blissful wagon]

mumbles in 80 pulls with no noelle cons on Yelan...

[vagrant moth]

takes her time but she'll never die

oh wait, she's in pool now

goddamn, I was trying to save for Itto

[blissful wagon]

So the theory is that geo damage is added after all atk% calcs, so the flat boosts factor in, but I don't believe you'd see a 35% bonus from that, so you want def

also, part of the fun of noelle is having shield + heal and DPS, and you'd give up the first two with gdmg

[open shore]

Gotta give her some er tho

Unless just zhongli is giving her enough

[blissful wagon]

eh, the theories I've seen are mainly "noelle's a lost cause, get someone else to do it"

[vagrant moth]

Okay Imma do just 10 pulls to see if Noelle C6 happens

cuz I'd really like my bro Itto

[blissful wagon]

her shield is the only energy generating move, and it basically generates nothing, so it's not really fixable with er work

[vagrant moth]

just for his awesome VA

[open shore]

Dhdhdhdhd I mean, if you wanna play Noelle.....

Itto is hecking fun

Star is ushi tho

[blissful wagon]

@vagrant moth How do you feel about Yun Jin?

[vagrant moth]

bruh

I fucked up

[blissful wagon]

did you get yelan?

[vagrant moth]

yes

lmao

but no Noelle

[blissful wagon]

she's fun though

[vagrant moth]

IDK how to feel about this

[modern raven]

...happy?

[open shore]

Omg

[modern raven]

ig

[vagrant moth]

I guess

lmao

[open shore]

She's very fun tho 🤷

[vagrant moth]

and C7 Yanfei

❤️

[river ore]

@vagrant moth has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[blissful wagon]

yanfei has rate up 800%, I have C9 yanfei or smth after this banner looking for one noelle x_x

[open shore]

August has Noelle in shop I guess 😂

[vagrant moth]

aw crap I should've pulled on Xiao

[blissful wagon]

I even got spooked by the red-haired pyro noelle while I was sifting through the blues for the real mccoy 😠

[vagrant moth]

I kinda get it, it's Liyue mainly banner

[blissful wagon]

I'm talking about this guy

[open shore]

Lololol

||Maybe his skin next update will redeem him||

[vagrant moth]

his WHAT

[blissful wagon]

is it going to be another thing where the 4* one is free and the 5* one costs...Keqing?

[open shore]

I would assume so

[blissful wagon]

in any case, diluc is unfixable unless they get really really crazy with the skin

[open shore]

Lol sad 1.0 times when he was meta

Alongside klee 😔

[grand kestrel]

I mean just because he's not meta doesn't mean he's of no value, he's still relatively strong, just not super OP like the meta teams. 😛

[blissful wagon]

diluc == m tier waifu character == no value

[open shore]

Depends who you ask 😂

[visual osprey]

thas pretty good

petra hp goblet tho huh

[blissful wagon]

How do y'all decide which artifacts to keep/use as fodder?

[sacred prism]

it’s a painful process- you get the set/piece you need, level it up to 20, and if it rolls into awful stats then you get another one to level 20, and see if it’s better 💀

[blissful wagon]

so pretty much all of the ones that haven't rolled successfully?

[visual osprey]

u dont gotta go all the way to 20

if it rolls flat def twice u can probly just stop regardless of other stats

i stop whenever i hit two rolls in dead stats and feed it into the next

and count 3 substat starters as already having 1 dead roll

[blissful wagon]

that sounds like some pretty high standards - I usually just keep anything that has 3 good stats on it, or a rare one plus a good one regardless of the rolls

maybe I need to get pickier

[visual osprey]

well if u dont hav enough artifacts yet then u cant b picky

but after a while u really just look for upgrades and not more artifacts

[blissful wagon]

You would think I would by now, but it always seems like I'm off to the next character after hitting 5 with those standards haha

[visual osprey]

well yea u gotta get enough for all the chars u use

and then its jus tlooking for upgrades

[blissful wagon]

"enough for all the chars u use" <== what is that?

[sacred prism]

you need enough good artefacts to have equipped on each character you play with

[blissful wagon]

I'm just being sarcastic - I just like to build way too many characters :p

Plus, when you have a new character, you've got to get the character levels, weapon levels, and talents as well, so it seems to be an indefinite task...

I was in-progress on a Noelle triple-crown when Yelan came out, so that's now a whole tetrology of farming areas

[sacred prism]

lmao sorry

[sacred prism]

i mean, until you’re just at ar 60 and killing time, then you only need to level characters you’re gonna use.

[blissful wagon]

You need at least 8 to do well in the spiral abyss...

...and it's shameful to have a 5 star rot at lv. 20...

[sacred prism]

yeah i’ve got about 10, maybe more idk, characters built

[sacred prism]

my only 5star jean rotted at lvl 20 for months…

lmao

[open shore]

My mona

[knotty steppe]

i want bennett so badly

[knotty steppe]

whats ur xiao build

[modern raven]

2p glad 2p vv

[knotty steppe]

cr cd?

[knotty steppe]

blackcliff?

[modern raven]

yep

[knotty steppe]

2 times crit dude

[weak cargo]

Hm then go for it

[bleak river]

Nice
I want

[rustic plank]

[weak cargo]

......

[quaint heath]

itto pre farming, 2 good pieces for now, working on getting others

[bleak river]

very nice

[blissful wagon]

Got pretty lucky so far with the feather and goblet, and I'll keep the flower for good measure

[bleak river]

ye damn those pieces are rly damn nice

[knotty steppe]

build it

[sacred prism]

bennett is such a tank

[gritty tusk]

C1 Hu Tao Mono Pyro & C0 Ayato Triple Hydro | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9star
https://youtu.be/rlZBVHhIhoU

[sage zephyr]

Which one is better? 1 or 2?

[weak cargo]

When it's 50+ messages, but you see only 2

[crystal heath]

XD

[patent monolith]

Pog

[modern raven]

i usually stop at 16, and if didn't rolled into something usable, i feed it to another artifact

that being said, i tend to roll something to replace it
If i got a crit circlet that didn't rolled all that well, i feed it into another crit circlet

Does eosf set still good on yelan?i dont have any decent hod art set.

[blissful wagon]

EoSF is supposed to be meta, though it may push towards a burst-focused playstyle. (which is kind of the whole point)

build is excellent, 9/10

[gilded dock]

you might want an HP circlet with focus on CR unironically

[gilded dock]

and you deserve a bonk

[digital pilot]

She's cute there though

[silent tulip]

I dunno man, chad chin girls are not exactly my type ngl

Though i can understand why people would like them

[fluid orbit]

4mil and 43 fragiles of farming other domains for fodder later, I finally got a 17.5 er flower and feather
(ttds mona)

[silent tulip]

The hell would you need 250 ER for

at that point you should heavily consider just using fav codex

[patent monolith]

Your yelan is probably op

[fluid orbit]

ttds

I've gotten answers ranging from 200 to 250+ minimum er. Might as well prepare for worst case scenario. Actually, worst case scenario is 273 er on a ganyu-ayaka team according to ER calculator, but that's near impossible to reach

[urban plaza]

Yessss

[quasi abyss]

would yelan be a good sub dps for yoimika?

i’m thinking of her burst

how it works like xingqiu

with off field hydro

[modern raven]

I got a bad xiao

[quasi abyss]

it seems more powerful as well

uh oh

[modern raven]

he doesn't like to be built

[quasi abyss]

[urban plaza]

I spent a long time building mine too

Also, Sorry idk much about yelan

[quasi abyss]

it’s ok

i’m thinking of a yoimika, yelan/xingqiu, kazuha, benny

[modern raven]

I'm just thinking abt xiao and C1 bennett that I will get

But I already have xiao C1

so

I just need a benny

[quasi abyss]

good luck!

[modern raven]

to build my national shogun and xioa's team for abyss

[quasi abyss]

why c1 benny tho?

[modern raven]

Bc it will be much better

Look at c1 benny

[urban plaza]

His buff is kinda capped without C1

[modern raven]

It's insane. for xiao

[urban plaza]

Normally he heals until 70% HP and then buffs

With C1, he buffs no matter what

[modern raven]

yeah but if your character had a less than 70% HP it won't give you buff

[urban plaza]

Yes^

[visual osprey]

lol he'll just heal up to abov 70% and then apply the buff

takes like 2 second

[quasi abyss]

ohhhh

[modern raven]

yeyeye

[quasi abyss]

mine does boring

both

[modern raven]

I need bnnyyyy C1

[quasi abyss]

nvr realized it was a con💀

[modern raven]

ahhh

[visual osprey]

c1 is good but its not breaking or neccesary

[urban plaza]

I disagree

[modern raven]

It is tho

bc

in tier list

Benny c0

is S+

[visual osprey]

bennet heals so much anyway that ur char will b abov 70% hp in a couple seconds

[modern raven]

but

C1

is

SS+

[urban plaza]

In national, You usually switch directly from benny to XL's burst
So assuming you're at C0, and XL is at 55% HP
Her pyronado won't snapshot

[modern raven]

actually xiao losses his dmg during his burst

if you don't know

[urban plaza]

Similarly later, with shogun, her inital big damage slash, won't get buff

[modern raven]

so I. purely need both

buff and heal

[urban plaza]

Hence C1 is of essence for Benny

[visual osprey]

ah ur right in quickswap it can b pretty bad if not snapshot

[urban plaza]

Yesss

[visual osprey]

xiao wants to be on field for long anyway

[modern raven]

ye

[visual osprey]

personaly im not fan of bennet with xiao

[modern raven]

he is main dps

[urban plaza]

Same^

[visual osprey]

he knocks people out of the and then u hav to chase them and lose the buff

[urban plaza]

Because I never plunge at the same spot

[modern raven]

But I'm seeiously

bc if xiao solo can damage like 40 k
with bennett he can dmg more than 100k

with in each plunge attack

like each 4 seconds

[urban plaza]

Mine has never done that💀

Even with benny

[modern raven]

You can do

[urban plaza]

My max plunge has been around 90k

[modern raven]

my friend did like 112k damage with one plunge xiao

[urban plaza]

pog

[visual osprey]

yea but other chars can use bennet much better than xiao can so i rather put him in the other team

[modern raven]

Nice one

[visual osprey]

i run rational and xiao

[urban plaza]

Depends on the Benny too, ig

Also, other buffs

[modern raven]

coool

[urban plaza]

Benny, TToDS, Mona

[modern raven]

as far

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[modern raven]

as

[urban plaza]

Food and stuff

[modern raven]

I don't have even C0 benny

so

and

and

Also

I use white tessel

cause I'm f2p

my best dmg is 37k

and this is so low

[urban plaza]

Good luck

[modern raven]

when I got benny build on field

[urban plaza]

I hope you get PJWS from standard

[modern raven]

and black cliff

I will dmg like my friend

around 100k

[modern raven]

PJWS?

what is that one

[urban plaza]

His signature weapon

[modern raven]

no no

I can't get that

bc

[urban plaza]

Standard banner

[modern raven]

I don't have enough wishes

standard banner?

which one do you mean

standard banner is trash

[visual osprey]

100k is uh

a big number

i dont think thats a normal xiao plunge

[urban plaza]

It gave me Xiao's weapon

[urban plaza]

^

[visual osprey]

mayb aginst downed mech array or something

[modern raven]

• I dmg like 500k with elua's burst

[modern raven]

It couldn't be standard

[visual osprey]

ok but thats a different character and a different burst with a different scaling

idk how that is any relevant

[urban plaza]

Standard literally has it on the list👀

[modern raven]

no way

:|

you are

no

you have

[urban plaza]

Check it ♥️

[modern raven]

the best lack

😂 😂 😂

of whole time

no wayyyyy

[urban plaza]

XD not the best, but thank you

[visual osprey]

for record this is my xiao <#🔨・build-discussion message>
and i can hit like maybe 55k max with bennet buff
so ur friend is probably under food buffs and aginst downed mech array or something

[modern raven]

it always gives me qiqi

and I have qiqi C2

this is real pain

emotional dmg

😂 😂

[urban plaza]

RIP

[visual osprey]

if u have c2 qiqi but no bennet i think ur just playing the game wrong

even with just the stardust thats enough to buy bennet from the shop

and hes been in the shop definitely more than twice so theres no reason u shouldnt have c1 bennet if u actually wanted him

[modern raven]

he is not there any more

When it came

I used my primos and also dusts

and

I didn't have any thing

[urban plaza]

The 53k was skill

[modern raven]

Don't you have zhongli

?

[urban plaza]

I do

[visual osprey]

ok those are commissions

[urban plaza]

I was trying something else

[modern raven]

ohom

[visual osprey]

commission enemy probably has like take massively increased plunge dmg, which can like almost double the number

[modern raven]

so you are using pyro meta

[urban plaza]

Not meta, just trying it

[modern raven]

but 90 k is alot

for me

but as I said

[visual osprey]

yea again its against commission with the weakness. which means i was correct that it wasnt a normal plunge dmg

[modern raven]

I know someone who has a legendery chance of getting artifacts

[visual osprey]

i posted my xiao above

[urban plaza]

It was a Bounty, that is true

But he has done 60k plunges normal

[visual osprey]

with bennet buff i get around 55k plung

(according to optimizer)

ok that sounds a lot more reasonable

[urban plaza]

I do use Benny, ZL buffs, NO, and TToDS

[modern raven]

@urban plaza take a screen shot from your talents if you can

please

[urban plaza]

And he is double crowned and has R1 Jade spear

[visual osprey]

obv my xiao isnt perfect but its pretty heavy invested so for me to be doing only half the number somthing must be up
<#🔨・build-discussion message>

[urban plaza]

10-8-10

[modern raven]

aha

ok

@urban plaza which weapon are you using

and

how much crit dmg do you have

[urban plaza]

Primordial Jade Winged
Got it from standard

[urban plaza]

Around 180%

[modern raven]

aha🥲

[modern raven]

mine is 210

😂 😂

[urban plaza]

Poggg

[modern raven]

but my attack is so low

it's all bc of my pole

[urban plaza]

Low attack too ig UwU

[modern raven]

Are you playing on Eroup server

?

[urban plaza]

Asia

[modern raven]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

god builddddddd

[urban plaza]

Lmaoo that is Benny and TToDS

😂😂😂😂

[modern raven]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

hellllllllll

nahhhhh

almost 4 k atk

[urban plaza]

It would reach there if I get C5 benny and/or Crown his burst

[modern raven]

I use TToDS on my sucrose

[urban plaza]

Samee

[modern raven]

hmmm you will

[modern raven]

I need ventiiii

😂 😂

you got him

[urban plaza]

I doo

Venti for Xiao? or in general?

[modern raven]

bc I have zhongli and raiden

just venti

[modern raven]

Xiao

Bc I don't have venti

[urban plaza]

Venti doesn't work with xiao

Like the vice versa

[modern raven]

yeyeyeyeeyyeyeey agreeee a lot

[visual osprey]

lol i actually used them together this abyss

[urban plaza]

Xiao doesn't work with Venti

XD nice

[modern raven]

oh😂 😂

[visual osprey]

#💭・general message

[urban plaza]

I'm Getting Kazuha and Heizou Nexttty

[modern raven]

you can't do abyss 12-1~3
with venti and xiao

bc it take time and doesn't dmg

[urban plaza]

Venti is essentially reduced to a battery when with Xiao

[visual osprey]

the idea was that anything that can be pulled by venti just dies to venti+ganyu, then if thers something that doesnt get pulled xiao can do the jet combo on it

[modern raven]

ye

he doesn't let xiao use his burst

[visual osprey]

doesnt need to if he kills them anyway

[modern raven]

😂 it's impossible in abyss

[visual osprey]

venti only disables xiao's burst aginst small enemies, which just die to venti anyway

venti is still the best succ in game for larger enemies that dont get lifted, so xiao can plunge without knocking them away

[modern raven]

wait a second I found a way for you to increase xiao's burst atk

you are using xangling right?

when you used E of xangling

wait untill it runs out and guba disappeared

then

get that peper

[visual osprey]

lol

[modern raven]

it will increase your atk by 10%

then use TToDS

anf benny

[visual osprey]

thers so many better buffs than the chilli pepper

[modern raven]

use them along using this

😂 😂 😂

[visual osprey]

no u dont hav enough chars to do that

[modern raven]

it would be fun

[visual osprey]

if u want to purely focus on xiao's plunge then the best set of buffs would be:
bennet, 4nobless, mona omen, ttds, 4tenacity, c4 jean shred

[modern raven]

yeye

[visual osprey]

that takes up the 3 char slots

no room for xiangling

[modern raven]

😂 😂 😂 😂

But I adore that chilli

so useless

but adorable

😂 😂

I want to play genshin

bc I got some resins

for now

bye

[bleak bluff]

Someone in my co op was upset that they were using a childe with ganyu

is that bad?

[visual osprey]

nobody should get upset over someone elses team

if u like the characters thats most important

childe ganyu isnt terrible but its certainly not meta

u can make some sort of freeze team if u have a good grouper, taking advantage of both of their quadratic scaling

would b insane aginst small mob hoards, but probably pretty bad aginst bigger targets

[grand kestrel]

call the team Chilyu.

[tired burrow]

it’s abt drive it’s abt power

[modern raven]

what the actual-

aether and not Lumine?

[burnt frigate]

Um

[modern raven]

Aether > Midmine

[tired burrow]

lumine on main had to spice things up 💪

[fleet knot]

guys which is better 😩

[modern raven]

Second one obviously 💯

[fleet knot]

but it has flat def instead of def%

:/

[modern raven]

You don’t need def% on kazuha

It has more em and more er

[fleet knot]

gonna die though fr

need def

[modern raven]

Its not a hard choice bro

You’re not using kazuha on field all the time? And jus dodge

[fleet knot]

wow making fun of my skill issue

rood

[modern raven]

L player, cant dodge

Zhongli is free

[fleet knot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-speech-bubble-gif-25026388

[sacred prism]

who needs def, when have dodge

[quasi abyss]

cant die if they’re all dead

[fleet knot]

why was nobody able to tell that me asking if the most direct upgrade in genshin history is better or not was a joke

[quasi abyss]

[modern raven]

https://tenor.com/view/pizzachem-gif-25066859

[digital pilot]

Give Xiao c1 😫

[grand kestrel]

Nevah!

[digital pilot]

60/75 next abyss rotation and will only have 4 more days with 100primogems during that 😫

Ain't lucky enough for early 5*s

[digital pilot]

The latter

All in em/er

[fleet knot]

_ _

[grand kestrel]

Oh we could tell, we just chose to remain silent.

[digital pilot]

What I said is a joke too

Go def% for Kazuha

[humble pecan]

Imposter Itto is giving Itto his hairbrush

[urban plaza]

You sure?👀

[modern raven]

ATOP

DONT SAY IT

[urban plaza]

XD

[grand kestrel]

atop

[modern raven]

Listen bro

Its a banger piece

[urban plaza]

Factssss

[modern raven]

It belongs on him

[urban plaza]

Absolute facts

[modern raven]

See? Frfr

Def% Kazuha >>>>

[digital pilot]

As for this f12 abyss, Xiao/Bennett does good

Cause bosses

Unless kenki dashes

[modern raven]

Ifunny

[digital pilot]

Embed fail

[urban plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-cry-tears-funny-wiping-tears-gif-23475965

[grand kestrel]

I hate these stupid webpages that strive to screw up such a simple thing as 'linking a picture'.

[digital pilot]

It is what it is

[grand kestrel]

yes. Stupid.

[grand kestrel]

I just imagine her getting pinkeye from that.

[modern raven]

fr though

is it me or Kenki got a new dash attack?

he gets out of my burst range every single time

[digital pilot]

It's the same

Lol

Gameplay didn't change

[modern raven]

i've noticed he's using so often than before

so many abyss rotations fighting him, and this one he keeps dashing away

[digital pilot]

Kenki dashes backwards so you just need to make him dash until he's cornered.

[modern raven]

he dashes forward just minutes ago that i was fighting him

it was so weird

[digital pilot]

Ahh that gale slashes ye

Got a problem with it too but still managed to 3* it anw

Rosaria is the mvp lmao

62k reverse melt

[modern raven]

Xiao hitting those 20k plunging attacks

[digital pilot]

Nice, even with a 3* weapon

[modern raven]

Ye, white tassel

[digital pilot]

[modern raven]

that weapon is underrated

[digital pilot]

Literally

It's been the weapon of my friend's Hu Tao ever since he lost on Homa, again

[modern raven]

that weapon is so busted is unreal

23 crit rate for a free 3* weapon is impressive

[digital pilot]

Whut

Fr?

Lmao

It's close to pjws

24%

[modern raven]

ye, it's unreal

i guess i'm not missing much from PJWS

[digital pilot]

For the crit rate, ye. But on passive and base atk

You lose much

[modern raven]

definitelly

i'm considering using an atk% weapon because i'd still have 50:150 without white tassel

[digital pilot]

Shenhe weapon

Or Lithic Spear

But passive is kinda meh. Needs 4 Liyue characters for maximum dmg output

[modern raven]

well, xiao and zhongli are from liyue

[digital pilot]

Yes

Iirc 8% crit and 4% atk boost each liyue char present in the party

Nvm 7% atk, 3% crit rate

[grand kestrel]

note: There are only three polearm characters that are not from Liyue.

[digital pilot]

Liyue, home of polearm users

[modern raven]

Raiden Thoma and Rosaria right?

[grand kestrel]

yop.

[unkempt oriole]

and rosaria only did it to spite the noble families

so technically 2

[modern raven]

Liyue loves dem polearms

What about inazuma though

[digital pilot]

Sword and Claymore

[grand kestrel]

Mondstadt has dominance over all other weapon types.

[digital pilot]

I still wonder about Varka

[grand kestrel]

Varka will use a greatsword.

[digital pilot]

Yea, that been circulating like

Since 1.5

And a dendro

[grand kestrel]

I mean, they really only have two choices for weapon and one handed sword doesn't really fit well.

[modern raven]

The archons have skills that imitate the slimes
i like to imagine what the archons will look like

[grand kestrel]

heh, plot twist, dendro archon is a slime.

[digital pilot]

Fr since Varka is ady known as a buffed male

[modern raven]

Cryo slimes generate shields, so finally cryo def character

[grand kestrel]

other than Eula.

[digital pilot]

Jp VA doesn't fit well

Should've swapped Eula and Yanfei jp VAs

[modern raven]

I like yanfei's lower pitch voice

lower relative to female pitch

[digital pilot]

Eula feels like a 10 year old gae

[modern raven]

There's like Paimon here, and Yanfei on the other end

[grand kestrel]

Really wish Paimon voice wasn't quite so... shrill.

[modern raven]

Ei i guess also has a more mature-ish voice

[urban plaza]

We love Ei

[modern raven]

The "inazuma shines eternal" voice line

[digital pilot]

Ei's kinda childish though

[modern raven]

💦

[digital pilot]

Raiden Shogun does have a mature voice

[modern raven]

Moonknight (2022)

Genshin predicted moonknight

[digital pilot]

Even though they are voiced by the same VA lol

[modern raven]

JP paimon?

[grand kestrel]

English

[modern raven]

i think jp paimon is fine for anime standards

[modern raven]

oh...

....

that paimon

[grand kestrel]

I am monolingual, no point listening to voice actors I don't understand 😛

[modern raven]

yeaah...jp paimon is cute, but EN paimon is...ugh

it's like a parody dub

[digital pilot]

Archons are just copy+pasta from Honkai

Venti = Wendy
Zhongli = Welt
Shogun = Ei
Kusanali = Theresa(?)
Murata(known name from books) = Himeko(should be her)
Tsaritsa = Bronya(predition from someone)

[modern raven]

i like how venti's parallel has a female name

makes sense, all things considered

[digital pilot]

Venti is genderless from the beginning

Even now

[grand kestrel]

technically Venti is an air spirit, only has a male body because that's the gender of the person he copied.

[digital pilot]

But most of us consider Venti as him so yea

[modern raven]

Well yeah, i don't think they were pulling the they/them card

[digital pilot]

Hydro Archon do have a gist of Durandal or smth

[grand kestrel]

I don't think Venti actually cares about gender pronouns.

[digital pilot]

Yes, lol. Since it's not his body

[modern raven]

well

it's his if you know what i mean

but in the image of someone else

[grand kestrel]

far as Venti is concerned the body is just an homage to his friend.

[bleak river]

yep

[grand kestrel]

though I doubt he'd go so far as to be annoyed if someone was to try insulting him by mentioning how feminine he appears. Given the character, he'd probably just self reflect on it.

[modern raven]

well, they wouldn't be insulting venti to begin with

[grand kestrel]

exactly

[digital pilot]

I like the fact that EN Xiao is a woman but still feels like a man voicing

LAMENT

[modern raven]

That's the power of voice acting

[digital pilot]

She's kinda better than the Harem King, imo

[grand kestrel]

and venti's not exactly the type to get all butt hurt over someone insulting his dead friend, even if he recognized it as intentionally insulting.

[modern raven]

Also, Ryuko's VA is Beidou's too

[digital pilot]

Yoshitsugu

[modern raven]

I can't help but hear ryuko over each of her voice lines

[modern raven]

he looks like a "whatever..." kind of guy

carefree = 0 fucks given

[digital pilot]

Venti just sit on a corner and cry, and cry a lot

[grand kestrel]

yeah, he's a bard, flippant is basically his modus operandi.

I doubt anyone could legitimately make Venti cry without injury. 😛

[bleak river]

uhh
deny him alcohol maybe

[modern raven]

Well, when signora Falcon punch'd him, he just sat there like "ah crap i'm dead..."

[digital pilot]

I mean, Venti still have feelings anw. Ofc he'll cry it over but without anyone noticing it

[grand kestrel]

legitimately, not faking for sympathy.

[digital pilot]

He'll just say anything otherwise

[modern raven]

...can archons feel...pain? like, human kind of pain

[grand kestrel]

yeah that's kinda on the 'injury' side lol

[digital pilot]

Yes lol

[modern raven]

please elaborate further

[grand kestrel]

I mean they still technically care and have feelings, they're just more remote than most due to lifespan.

[modern raven]

[digital pilot]

Zhongli after that woman god I forgot her name died

Guizhong

[modern raven]

But i mean physical pain

[grand kestrel]

absolutely

[modern raven]

not emotional pain because they clearly do

[bleak river]

the theory goes that he didnt expect the gnosis-taking to be so bad on his body

[modern raven]

[bleak river]

if you meant bodily pain

[modern raven]

Yes, bodily pain

[digital pilot]

Being a human now, yea. But with those gnosis intact on them, idk

[modern raven]

man, i wish i read more through that gnosis part of the story

[grand kestrel]

of course they do, otherwise fighting them would be an entirely different thing.

[modern raven]

i don't like reading in this game

characters just go on and on and on and on

[digital pilot]

Well, gnosis was given after the war, not during or before the war so ofc they still feel pain

Look at the Salt God

[modern raven]

damn, that part of the story was dark as heck

[digital pilot]

I wish Hu Tao was there

She'll be happy about it

More 💸

[bleak river]

lmao

[modern raven]

i like when the game gets dark and straight forward

[digital pilot]

Damn that Twilight Knight's comrade

I cried

[modern raven]

less tell, more show please

[digital pilot]

The chasm one

Lol

[modern raven]

that inverted statue scene just gave me chills

[grand kestrel]

better than the inverted spatula.

[bleak river]

fr

[modern raven]

i finished the chasm and i don't remember a single thing that happened

Mucho texto

[bleak river]

the dude from khaenri'ah sacrificed himself

[grand kestrel]

you don't remember someone magically knocking a giant crystal down with an arrow? 😛

[digital pilot]

Tbh, I'm not really a story-teller kekl

[modern raven]

that i do remember

but i don't remember a single word of dialogue

[bleak river]

but you rmb the general idea(?)

[modern raven]

general idea yes

overall i have a general idea of the game lore and such

[grand kestrel]

there once was a man from Khaenri'ah...

XD

[modern raven]

i just can't be bothered with the text in this game

[grand kestrel]

I'm fine with the text, I just wish you could skip through some of it a bit faster, I mean... not everyone reads at a 3rd grade level...

[digital pilot]

"But seeing you here, I guess our country is still intact?"
Dainslief just said "Yes"
That hurts so much dood

[bleak river]

pain

[modern raven]

i mean, the text is not bad, but the inazuma festival dude

[digital pilot]

Hey, that's my quirk

[modern raven]

holy cow

[digital pilot]

[grand kestrel]

o.o

oddly specific.

[modern raven]

i just remember something about xingqiu and albedo, nothing else

[digital pilot]

Literally finishes reading the dialogue before the character finishes all of it lmao

[bleak river]

ye fr

voiced ones are okay
just the unvoiced ones suck

[grand kestrel]

I've usually finished reading the text before they've finished the third word. 😛

[modern raven]

everything else has been fine

enkanomiya and the archipelago

👌

[digital pilot]

I barely remembered Enka lol

[grand kestrel]

unvoiced ones are great, you can usually skip through them unless they're tied to an animation for some stupid reason.

[digital pilot]

I speedrun it all

[bleak river]

enka was cool

[modern raven]

eh, lost kingdom is now dark?

[bleak river]

havent been back there since i finished ascending yae

[modern raven]

lizard people or something

[bleak river]

ye lizard people

[modern raven]

mmmm that's it

[bleak river]

vishap people

[digital pilot]

After 100% the map, I didn't gone back there

[grand kestrel]

like I absolutely hate it when they're talking and walking, because you'll end up waiting for them to arrive at the next scene location before they'll speak the next line.

[digital pilot]

Finished all the world quest and done

[modern raven]

there was a abyss lector disguised as a dude

[digital pilot]

And I barely remember what's in there

[modern raven]

among us

[digital pilot]

Lizard people, shadows

[bleak river]

shades

[grand kestrel]

pyro lector

[bleak river]

the thing called enjou

[modern raven]

ඞ

[digital pilot]

And it's created by someone higher than archons

[grand kestrel]

I hope you enjou the pyro lector.

[bleak river]

yep phanes and his shades

iirc

[digital pilot]

Forgot the name but the statue in Inazuma clearly saying that the god created Enka was that big statue in Inazuma

[unkempt oriole]

u mean bones

[modern raven]

i'll need to read a summary one day

[unkempt oriole]

its not higher than archons

its same level

thats why it died fighting raiden

[modern raven]

i know the bare minimum of what's going on

[grand kestrel]

do you though? isn't it possible you know less than the minimum?

[bleak river]

the...
Orobashi

[grand kestrel]

Oroshimaru.

[knotty steppe]

orochimaru

[grand kestrel]

sure.

[digital pilot]

Aberaku no Mikoto is the name known by people from Enkanomiya

[modern raven]

it's so sad ||Raiden Makoto died of ligma||

[unkempt oriole]

orochimaru indeed

they are essentially the same though

snek

https://tenor.com/1AgW.gif

[bleak river]

big snek serpent

[digital pilot]

God of Time is higher than them and was known to be the one who created Enka too

Orobashi is just another god level by archons

It helped creating Enka but it's not the one who took all the credits