🔨・build-discussion

[digital basin]

<@&874036938351448094>

[calm sand]

🔨 Banned Shulu#4424 indefinitely

[digital basin]

sus

[sacred prism]

team 1/mainly open world; anemo trav, benny, aloy and beidou
the rest of my characters are pretty well built- so i can change em in and out for anyone rlly.
i like using benny, rosa, lisa and barbara in a team too.
but lisa and beidou in same team is smth i do often.

better now i reckon

[digital basin]

Are you open to suggestions

[sacred prism]

mhm!
i’m pretty picky on how the playstyle feels, so i might not utilise them, but suggestions are always welcome!!

[digital basin]

I reccomend that you start to build up a taser team

[sacred prism]

taser? i’ve heard that before but don’t know much what it means hah

[digital basin]

Which may include of sucrose,beidou,fishl,(hydro)

Its electro charged

With swirl

[modern raven]

taser is any combination of electro charged team

[digital basin]

Its a fun comp

[modern raven]

it's really good

plus, it generates a lot of particles to keep your bursts up

[digital basin]

Usually with electro resonance

[modern raven]

preferably

hydro resonance is great if you need healing too

[digital basin]

@sacred prism and because you are using bennet you might like xiangling

maybe reverse melt with rosaria,bennet,xiangling,(flex/kaeya)

[digital basin]

But at the end of the day play whats fun

[open shore]

this

[humble pecan]

Would hp% or healing bonus circlet help bennett heal more

[modern raven]

i think healing bonus

[sacred prism]

i’d go hp% but it’s depending on what your hp is

[sacred prism]

thank you! that sounds pretty good, i’ve often played with anemo trav, benny, lisa and beidou before.
but my trav, benny aloy and beidou comp is really fun to play- so i’ll change it up every so often

[sacred prism]

[open shore]

Finally, an aloy enjoyer

[grand kestrel]

I enjoy Aloy, I just don't play her much XD

[sacred prism]

imo aloy is amazing for a venti or trav anemo team

[sacred prism]

after what we talked about today- fischl just got some artefacts and stuff :p
@digital basin

[sacred prism]

and i built her physical dmg too, so her auto atk isn’t awful

[upper sable]

what level is this fischl 40?

[azure kindle]

she has a trash build but this kinda surprised me 💀

^bro it didn’t even send 💀✋🏾

[sacred prism]

she’s 32 rn- i don’t have anything to lvl her with sadly

[digital basin]

Fishl imo plays a lot easier then lisa and she has great synergy with beidou will who you seem to like

@sacred prism And if you dont wanna stop usimg traveler they can replace sucrose in the sucrose,beidou,fishl,hydro comp

[sacred prism]

yeah beidou is great- i like having a claymore on my team, plus she’s lvl 60 so- im gonna keep her :))

[sacred prism]

she does a decent amount of dmg now, plus her shield is tanky

[digital basin]

You dont seem to have a good hydro character so you can just put in a character you enjoy

[sacred prism]

my only hydro is barbara - and i have a healing build on her, mainly for abyss

[digital basin]

She might work

Travler,fishl,beidou,barbara

[sacred prism]

that’s a good call-

[digital basin]

Do you like rosaria

[sacred prism]

yeah actually she’s great, i have her lvl 40 rn

i quite like polearm users

[digital basin]

ok perfect

What about xiangling

[digital basin]

You could try Aloy,bennet,xiangling,rosaria

[modern raven]

Are you new

I finally built Xiao and Yanfei (main dps) and now I shall build their teams

whats a good team for Yanfei?

Aloy Is a Trash Unit

[sacred prism]

kinda- kinda not

[modern raven]

Oh ok

[sacred prism]

she can be utilised well in certain team comps

[modern raven]

But there are so many better cryo units

[modern raven]

yes but what if they dont have anyone else TvT

[digital basin]

they are AR35

[modern raven]

Kaeya is a free character and is Definitely better than aloy

[sacred prism]

agreed- but compared to other cryo bow users i rlly like her, her playstyle is fun and she does great dmg for me

[sacred prism]

for things like abyss i use my kaeya :p

[modern raven]

is Yanfei, Xingqiu, Venti and Diona a good team comp for Abyss?

I guess it cuz I'm ar 55

[modern raven]

Yes

[sacred prism]

haha yes i’m ar35, although i have 60K adventure exp rn haha

[modern raven]

I plan on Xiao, Bennett, Fischl/Sara, Sucrose for my 1st team and Yanfei, Xingqiu, Venti and Diona for 2nd team

[modern raven]

Oh God I remember those days

I think when they ascend they'll be atleast AR 45-55

[sacred prism]

yeah i could easily go clear the ascension quest but, im liking playing at world level 3 haha!

[modern raven]

oh no

😭

Honestly I recommend grinding ascension materials before you do ascension ques

i went from world level 3 to world level 7 😭

[sacred prism]

ikr- it’s just- better fun rn. im gathering resources and farming materials then i’ll ascend my ar 😭 un recommended sure- but also very fun- yes

[modern raven]

I wish you the best of luck 😭

[sacred prism]

thank youuuu!

[modern raven]

I went from world level 3 to 7 and honestly made me struggle a lot TvT

Not trying to text but

[sacred prism]

yeah that’s exactly what i’m tryna avoid 😭😭

[modern raven]

Flex *

but now im world level 8, i can slap enemies easily

[modern raven]

wth is that crit 😭

[sacred prism]

imagine having 100+ crit rate 💀

not me

[modern raven]

dw TvT

i had my high ar friends help me slap enemies for a while

[modern raven]

Crit Rate or dmg

[modern raven]

crit rate, sacrifice some of it for better cd

I did I just wanted to show it off lol

[modern raven]

TvT

i lost xiao's 53/200 ratio

its fine...

some sacrifices had to be made

[sacred prism]

my aloy hits 1164 with charged atks now.

two bow shots and enemies are dead

[sacred prism]

ouch-

[modern raven]

dw he has 83/153 crit now

hes doing 30k regularly

[sacred prism]

phew

[modern raven]

i just need to crown him

[sacred prism]

damn!!

[modern raven]

Yanfei has 62/144 crit

[modern raven]

my f2p build

[sacred prism]

being f2p hurts - well done

[modern raven]

too much er well atleast i can spam his burst for absolutely no reason

[modern raven]

mhm

saving for itto, homa and kagura's

Now this is a flex

[modern raven]

what the frick frack-

Yes this is a mere fraction of my power

[sacred prism]

nice EM

[modern raven]

Thanks

This next one isn't mine but I want this

[sacred prism]

im insane- i take notes- and for what? 💀💀

[sacred prism]

for the better crit dmg?

[modern raven]

Aquila Favonia is best 5* on Bennett since he Scales off base atk

[modern raven]

Yes

But if you don't have it skyward is next

[sacred prism]

skyward blade is the best weapon for him i’ve got- it’s my only 5* weapon

[modern raven]

Rip

[sacred prism]

rip indeed

i got quite lucky with 4* weapons tbh

so it’s kinda ok

[modern raven]

Oh ok

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[modern raven]

Hey have you heard about heizou

[sacred prism]

mhm

[modern raven]

You pulling for him

[modern raven]

If you want I can try to join you I have eu account

[digital basin]

As rosaria,bennet,xiangling,kaeya would be better (dmg wise). aloy,bennet,xiangling,rosaria may fit your likes better

[sacred prism]

im on EU yeah

[modern raven]

Rosaria is better then kaeya objectively speaking

[digital basin]

reverse melt uses both of them

[modern raven]

I prefer freeze comps because I like to watch enemies stay there

Then break them

I'm weird I know

[sacred prism]

[modern raven]

[digital basin]

the only hydro character they have is barbara and she is being used in the taser team

[modern raven]

Rip

[sacred prism]

me too- i want ayato so bad

[digital basin]

no xinqui

[digital basin]

I enjoy him

Do you want my build for him?

[modern raven]

C6 xingqu haver here

[digital basin]

same

Whats the website to make the build like this

[sacred prism]

defo

[modern raven]

I wonder the same

[sacred prism]

sure - it’s rare i meet ppl with eu account hahah

[bleak river]

enka.shinshin.moe

[digital basin]

@sacred prism

[sacred prism]

that cr rate/cr dmg

[modern raven]

Well I live in America but I have multiple profiles

[sacred prism]

oof is the ping not awful?

[modern raven]

Not really

At first kinda but after a while

It gets better l

[sacred prism]

i see

i don’t even think i can make multiple accounts on ps4

[sacred prism]

she just hit 5.7K before i logged off, which for ar35 i don’t feel is bad haha.

[quasi abyss]

people can play how they want to play?

i love aloy she so cool and she and xingqiu can freeze enemy’s together

[sacred prism]

aloy & anemo traveler is just amazing

[quasi abyss]

they are!!!

[bleak river]

They're fine
I just have ayaya and kazu

[quasi abyss]

traveler can shred them so fast

i rlly want kazuha

if my traveler can shred them what could kazuha do :DD

[sacred prism]

bro my anemo traveler is lvl 70, and just shreds my dailies - i loveeeee

[quasi abyss]

mines lvl 80 and had a full em build so he can do a lot of dmg and him + bennett + raiden kills everything and it’s rlly fun

[bleak river]

Kazu deletes hilichurls, and does 3k anemo XD (em build)

[quasi abyss]

how??? i thought his anemo dmg would be v low with em build

my traveler only does 3k anemo cause it’s a con

[bleak river]

Lvl 8 talent + shenhe 15% skill dmg bonus

[sacred prism]

anemo traveler, benny, aloy and beidou is my open world team, and it’s just one hitting everythinggggg

[quasi abyss]

is benny a buffer or healer?

[sacred prism]

my aether kills hilichurls on his own, it’s just more fun with other elements too

[river ore]

@sacred prism has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[sacred prism]

both, he has 15K HP, and he’s now got 800&smth atk

[quasi abyss]

his atk buff goes off of his base atk

if you get a high base atk sword he can buff like 800-900 atk

[river ore]

@quasi abyss has leveled up to LEVEL 7

[sacred prism]

yeah ik- he has skyward blade rn

as that’s my only 5* weapon therefore my highest base atk

and also boost his ER which is nice

[quasi abyss]

i rlly love bennett he buffs a lot

[sacred prism]

my benny is C3

[quasi abyss]

especially with nobless he’s amazing and

[sacred prism]

i adore him

[sacred prism]

yeah- my artefacts are relatively bad as i’m ar35

[quasi abyss]

he many be unlucky but so am i so 2 negatives make a positive and when i bring him along i kill bosses rlly fast

[sacred prism]

but benny is lvl 60/70 rn, he’s doing well

[quasi abyss]

that’s better then me

he’s just lvl 60

[sacred prism]

yeah- he does such good dmg

[sacred prism]

i ascended him today, but i don’t have the stuff to actually lvl him up

[bleak river]

I also have skyward on Bennett, lvl80, c2

[quasi abyss]

how do y’all have so low cons

[quasi abyss]

mines c5 and i’m waiting for c6

[bleak river]

bad luck/saving

[sacred prism]

i may not c6 benny personally

[sacred prism]

mines is C3, but i have bad luck when it comes to wishing. i also don’t wish often-

[modern raven]

nice stats,

[bleak river]

…thanks
Are you gonna continue?
You put a comma there

[modern raven]

uh

heres mine haha

[bleak river]

You should prob lvl that fav sword

[modern raven]

yea haha but

[bleak river]

You're just waiting for something better?

[modern raven]

yelan still got me broke so i really dont have much mora rn

[bleak river]

Ah

[modern raven]

my mora came from 3m to 48 haha

[bleak river]

Sadge

[mortal condor]

need help artefak Hu tao

[modern raven]

Do i need run for c6?

[unkempt oriole]

u dont need c6

[bleak river]

Hp pyro crit
Shim for least pain, cw for most effective dmg

[thorny dagger]

so i got pjws and using it on raiden. shoul i switch to er sands?

[crystal heath]

i gave it to xiangling catch was working better for me

maybe will give it to zhongli

when get him

[azure kindle]

my ganyu build is trash btw

[modern raven]

...

:"D

[wispy thunder]

same but.....

[modern raven]

is that dps bennett..

[crystal heath]

mine is also kinda same

it goes to 60k

sometimes

ult

kinda like sub dps

[wispy thunder]

people call build beny end game

[humble hollow]

heres mine for comparison purposes

[fleet knot]

the crit bennett with only 1200 attack

[unkempt oriole]

its a NO bennett tho

so is he a support or a dps

or am i crazy

msr on NO bennett?

I have so many questions

dude is also running CR/ER/Pyro for artis

[sacred prism]

NO?

[unkempt oriole]

nobless oblige, in short NO

[modern raven]

much diff from everyone lol

[bleak river]

Msr is still tied for highest base atk so…

Well if it's not being used for wtv reason…it's good for Bennett

[gritty tusk]

C0 Kazuha DPS Double Geo & C3 Raiden Shogun Overload | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9star
https://youtu.be/F6a0IRPRirA

[modern raven]

i cry when my mora drops too 100k

[sacred prism]

overload does go brrr

[modern raven]

im depressed haha

[blissful wagon]

you heard it here first people: ER is overrated in the current meta and will be much less significant in the future

[bleak river]

Hmm

Doubt it but I'd love to see how this ages

[limpid urchin]

is this a good piece

for Sucrose

[open shore]

preferably some em for the fourth stat

[open shore]

crit isn't really useful on sucrose...

[modern raven]

Trying skyward harp

guys

I really need a person

who is so proffesional

[modern raven]

i love your setup

in artifacts

to help me

[modern raven]

Thanks..😊

Np!

[modern raven]

tbh i get their best set but i main hu tao so i build her for melt😭

[sacred prism]

ER is underrated for certain characters. but overall some people over prioritise it sure :))

[modern raven]

and I have xiao but my meta team and my weapons are trash

[modern raven]

whats your team?

[modern raven]

Zhongli , Xiao , Sucrose , Barbara
I need bennet

and

also I use white tessel

[sacred prism]

what ar are you- and do you not have benny?

[modern raven]

all i get is benny😭

[modern raven]

do you wanna farm?

[modern raven]

do you have sara?

[sacred prism]

i’ve got c3 benny

[limpid urchin]

why do you need barabara

you have Zhongli

or do you use dps barbara?

[modern raven]

c4💔

what's the most ya'll have seen Sayu heal?

[limpid urchin]

idk how much but it healed me to max hp quick and my Zhongli got like 53k hp, it was kiss shot chaos's Sayu

[limpid urchin]

healed my hu tao*

[limpid urchin]

my hu tao have 28k hp

[open shore]

I think I saw mine do a 7k or more tick once

[modern raven]

i guess her burst?

[open shore]

Ye

[modern raven]

that one heals a lot
i meant from this passive

[limpid urchin]

what cons?

[open shore]

At the time a c1

I haven't actively tried to build her for months

[modern raven]

i can trigger around 1.5k at max every 5 seconds, which isn't so bad all things considered

[open shore]

Stole her stuff for others lol

I have no idea what she heals from the passive talent lol

[limpid urchin]

bad

trust

she can do a lot more

[modern raven]

i mean her passive, not her burst

her burst of course you can level it up, but this passive is a flat 300 + whatever EM you have

[modern raven]

kujo sara?

yeah

[modern raven]

for xiao

when I use xiao's burst frequently his Health will decrease so much

[limpid urchin]

nice

but why not Sayu or Jean?

[modern raven]

I don't have jean

and I got sayu so late

I can't build like a week ago

I don't have hero's wit

[limpid urchin]

alr

still good team

[modern raven]

no

it isn't

[limpid urchin]

why no

[modern raven]

my max dmg is 28000 with xiao

my friend can damage more than 100000

[limpid urchin]

whats your team members again?

[oblique pelican]

100k xiao without buffs is hardly possible

[modern raven]

Zhongli , Sucrose(not build) , Xiao(Not crowned) , Barbara

[limpid urchin]

Sucrose is good for energy

Zhongli tank

tbh why not use Bennett?

he buffs

[oblique pelican]

even after you min max him, the max you can expect out of him (without any buffs) is ~60k

[modern raven]

because I don't have him

if I just had bennett

if ..

.

[limpid urchin]

dw you will get him one day hopefully

[modern raven]

I've farmed for him

even her artifacts

his

[limpid urchin]

I farmed for Barabara and I don't even use her

got really good artifacts in one day

good luck!

[modern raven]

you too

gl

[modern raven]

that's pretty much impossible alone

the only character that could hit that much by herself would be Eula

[oblique pelican]

You never farm for healing artifacts.
You just get them.

[modern raven]

yes he uses bennett

his bennet and xiao

there it is then

can damage more than 100000

that's 1.5 times the damage at the very least

but just his xiao can damage like 57000

by each plunge

[limpid urchin]

nothing is impossible!

just crit

boom

my hu tao vapes does 70k without any buffs

[modern raven]

yeah, if you pour money at a character, will become a one man army no matter what

[limpid urchin]

no need to pour real money

but it does takes time and luck

to invest at a character

[bleak river]

Nice
What weapon

(I assume CAs?)

[limpid urchin]

me?

[bleak river]

Ye

[limpid urchin]

staff of homa

[bleak river]

…ah

Makes sense

[limpid urchin]

:>

[bleak river]

I would do 62k apparently

93k with buffs (and debuffs)

[modern raven]

ohhhh god

I'm at 75 pt

😂 😂 😂 🍢 🍢 🍢 🍢

shiittttt

I wishh I can get xiao again

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[modern raven]

bc this is 50/50

or if I didn't get xiao

I really need Mona

[oblique pelican]

Can she do this tho?

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-amber-gif-19825552

[bleak river]

Suske

[oblique pelican]

Narutoo

[sacred prism]

is prototype amber a good weapon for Barbara?

[modern raven]

couldn't focus on game, bc ur setup looks awesome

[modern raven]

one morbillion damage

[humble pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-gif-25461795

[digital basin]

morb time

[azure kindle]

ningguang and all of my supports are NOT fully built + idk a good team for ningguang

[rain sluice]

Pain

[humble pecan]

Xinyan piece /hj

[idle granite]

that Aqua bow is really doing good

getting this now though

[frail dune]

C0 Diluc Vs c6 yanfei for vape team? With yelan

[bleak river]

Huh?

[blissful condor]

I am building Ayaka as DPS, but I am confused that I see she just needs CRIT DMG on her build. RATE is lowest on the recommended stat list. She doesn't get that much CRIT RATE from ascending right?

[oblique pelican]

In fact, she doesn't get 'any'. Stays at 5% CR.
4BS is the reason people skip CR on her

[bleak river]

4BS and cryo resonance

[oblique pelican]

Free crit basically

[bleak river]

Quite literally

[unkempt oriole]

only downside is u lose quite a lot CR against unfreezable mobs

[bleak river]

Then just swap the circs

[unkempt oriole]

true

[knotty portal]

Hey guys, how much cr/cd should I aim on yelan?

[frigid socket]

did paimon moe removed tram comps?

[blissful condor]

Thanks, that seems logical

[bleak river]

60-70/as much as possible

[tidal wagon]

any advice ?

[bleak river]

You need 4bs

Or switch to a cr circ

And you got way too much er for a normal freeze team

[tidal wagon]

Still farming for 4bs my luck is shit but thnxx :’)

[gritty tusk]

C3 Raiden International & C0 Ayaka DPS Double Geo | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/bOBcUeK3M3c

[sacred prism]

i put lions roar on jean- cause it’s the only weapon with a good atk bonus and that’s what she scales off of- but as it deals more dmg for opponents affected my pyro (and electro i believe?) it feels wrong- are there other recommended swords for her??

[modern raven]

Aquila, or favonius sword

[sacred prism]

i don’t have the first one rip.
but why favonious when she scales of atk?

[modern raven]

for energy recharge, but ive seen some people also equip the flute on her

[sacred prism]

alright, lions roar made most sense in my head to boost her atk and therefore healing ability as i’m gonna use her in abyss and it’ll be mainly for heals. but ER also important for jean?

[modern raven]

i think so.. TvT? I havent built jean that much, but from what i know her top priority is atk and er

[sacred prism]

alright thank you!

[patent monolith]

Amongus

[sacred prism]

how do you have an aloy con?

[modern raven]

im questioning how u dont have the starter 4 stars

[sacred prism]

haha yeah where’s kaeya and stuff-?

[tidal wagon]

its probably from their profile

[oblique pelican]

The reason fav sword is preferred on her is coz she's used as a healer+battery by most of the players. Lion's roar is generally suited for a main-DPS but doesn't provide anything else to support the team.

[sacred prism]

yeah i’m building her as a healer as she scales off of atk, which i like. i just put lions roar on as it has atk substat

[steep badge]

how

[drowsy pine]

Which is better for my Ayaka? 2k Atk/200 CD or 1.8k Atk/220 CD?

[rain sluice]

Depends on how your building her

Is xq good for ayaka?

[sacred prism]

depends on her cr ig - does she scale off anything in particular?

[rain sluice]

Is xinqiu good for ayaka?

[drowsy pine]

hmm, i use blizzard strayer and cryo res
with 2k atk, she has 30 cr
with 1.8k atk, she has 27 cr

[fading swift]

can i build like this?

[oblique pelican]

Go with 2k atk build

[sacred prism]

i’d go for 2K atk then

[digital basin]

2K/200 Is better

[wise oak]

^

[ebon ginkgo]

festering desire or skyward blade for shinobu

the opposite goes to traveler

i was thinking festering for shinobu cause traveler would make more use of skyward passive

[digital basin]

Might want to wait untill she comes out

Because i have no idea

[sacred prism]

passive is the sub stat right?

[ebon ginkgo]

no the passive is the effect of the weapon

the passive of festering is "increases elemental skill damage by 32% and elemental skill crit rate by 12%"

and the skyward passive is too much for me to type out

[sacred prism]

oooh yeah i know what you mean now, thank you!

[tender agate]

which is better :T

[humble pecan]

Second one imo if she's not in a tazer comp

[sacred prism]

imma put sword of decension on jean ✨

finally a weapon for her

[modern raven]

should i keep this?

[modern raven]

Probably

[upper sable]

the first one the dmg should reflect it visibly as well

[digital basin]

<@&874036938351448094>

lookin sussy

[bleak river]

good?

[humble pecan]

How does the rotation for Xiao, Sucrose, Bennett, and Diona go? I keep messing it up

[unkempt oriole]

Why double heal

[grand kestrel]

right left down up A B start.

[unkempt oriole]

Prolly u should shield up then drop heal/buff and then ult

Sucrose is only for batterying xiao

Or do it Xbox style like damion

[grand kestrel]

wrong generation

[unkempt oriole]

Oh wait

A B is gameboy

Advance

[grand kestrel]

still wrong generation

[unkempt oriole]

Dem longer than that?

[grand kestrel]

right company at least

[humble pecan]

Idk i was just using this but since i dont have zl i was gonna use diona

[wise oak]

u have jean

[unkempt oriole]

Speaking from experience

Diona is terrible for xiao 😂

[wise oak]

why not triple heal

fr tho

jean diona and bennett

[humble pecan]

Why not full heal 😏

[unkempt oriole]

Throw a qiqi

Then do clamset for all

[wise oak]

screw shielders

[grand kestrel]

alternatively you could hold the up 1 and 2 buttons simultaneously.

[humble pecan]

Jean, Diona, Barbara, Bennett will get u full healing, swirl, freeze, vape, and melt

[wise oak]

yea then youll get frozen urself

and die

[grand kestrel]

frozen swirly

[modern raven]

late to the party but eh...if you need a crit dmg off piece

keep it

i use those to level another crit dmg piece and see how it goes

and repeat ad infinitum

[timber hearth]

my qiqi build sponsored by spite

[tender agate]

if i give lithic spear to xiao should i change my team? i always main characters from mondstadt

[river ore]

@tender agate has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[timber hearth]

lithic spear xiao with 3 stack is best 4* option

better than deathmatch

try to get 3 stacks

[tender agate]

my current team's diona sucrose xiao albedo

who should i replace with who-

[timber hearth]

I would do

[bleak river]

Uhh that's a full mond team except xiao…

[timber hearth]

xiao sucrose XQ beidou

[tender agate]

i knoow😭

[timber hearth]

and use autoattack

[bleak river]

Beidou needs fischl.

[timber hearth]

and not plunge

[timber hearth]

ig

[bleak river]

Unless high ass er

[bleak river]

Then you might as well just run
Sucrose xq fischl beidou

[tender agate]

where's xiao-

[timber hearth]

Honestly just run xiao sucrose

[timber hearth]

this is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jJI8nngvwGEG_YddV1WD4Y6ur16K-tBX1BODdXEfhec/edit?usp=sharing

this is xiao mains

guide on lithic spear

[bleak river]

Huh.

[tender agate]

oh alright lemme check

[timber hearth]

yes

very johnlee relient

[tender agate]

how can jean be used as battery? her skill cooldown is so long ;-; (for me)

[timber hearth]

you just want fav sword and 150 ER on xiao

[tender agate]

i have him np

[timber hearth]

mff

you're not using johnlee

johnlee +xiao is a must

that's 2 right htere

do you have qiqi?

[tender agate]

diona's fine for me both shield and heal 🤧

[timber hearth]

nah dude

[tender agate]

yep

[timber hearth]

johnlee is perfect fit

[tender agate]

alright

[timber hearth]

xiao johnlee sucrose qiqi

best team for you

or swap qiqi with idk c4 goro for healing

idk

[tender agate]

i don't have gorou....

can i replace sucrose with albedo?

[timber hearth]

nah even better,
xiao sucrose johnlee albedo

[tired burrow]

U were cursed by qiqi so now u adapt to practical purposes?

[timber hearth]

geo res is more important than lithic 3 stack

[tender agate]

no heal

[timber hearth]

desperate times require desperate measures

[tender agate]

i love her sm

[timber hearth]

dw 40k hp johnlee no need heal

[tender agate]

hey if u have qiqi curse can u give some cons to me?

[timber hearth]

just make sure you constantly have sheild up

[tender agate]

51k ehe

but still feel insecure

[timber hearth]

WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING LMAO

you are more ready than I can ever be

[tender agate]

thanks.. ig 😭

[timber hearth]

my xiao is in budget 4* team

[timber hearth]

well just use xiao johnlee sucrose albedo

[bleak river]

You better have meant 40k

[timber hearth]

oh ye

lmao

[timber hearth]

4k health is way too op tho

just put everything on def

[tender agate]

oh come to think of it, how muh def ok for albedo? mine has like 2.9k but idk

[bleak river]

That's good
As long as you have good crits as well

[tender agate]

i don't..

but he still crits most of the time

[bleak river]

If he does like 20k with geo resonance he's good I think

[tender agate]

is festering desire better than the new event sword for albedo? (the def one)

[tender agate]

yeah 22k

[bleak river]

Defo not

Cinnabar is his undisputed bis

For normal def build

[tender agate]

i cant find anyone to give festering to

[tender agate]

alright

[bleak river]

It doesn't have to be used

[timber hearth]

benny

[tender agate]

you're right..

[oblique pelican]

Jeans

[tender agate]

oh btw can xiao's ult kill him?

[oblique pelican]

Kill who?

[tender agate]

himself

xiao

[bleak river]

Doesn't it do %hp?

[oblique pelican]

It cannot.
I've seen people fighting bosses with 1 hp xiao

[crystal heath]

idk

i think he can

[bleak river]

He cannot

Hp drain is based off current hp

[crystal heath]

oh

[tender agate]

okayy thanks

[modern raven]

Noted thanks

[urban plaza]

Nope

[gritty tusk]

Kazuha x Itto Combo & Taser Ayato x Raiden Combo | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/edwf1VdfT40

[bleak bluff]

which one is better?

[unkempt oriole]

Top

[bleak bluff]

ok thank you :)

[unkempt oriole]

@bleak bluff whenever in doubt, use ur crit dmg to multiple crit rate

Eg
149 × 0.72

[bleak bluff]

ohhh

thanks again

[unkempt oriole]

U get 107.2

Higher better

[soft elm]

For CRIT, it is best for a rate to DMG ratio of 1:2

e.g. 70 CRIT rate, 140 CRIT DMG

[fleet knot]

yeah no

70:140 aint better than 70:200

just because its a 1:2 ratio

that rule of thumb only works if youre comparing 2 ratios of equal crit value to begin with

AND its assuming that all else is equal, which is almost never true

such as er, atk, or other stats that the unit may scale on

if you have a 100:200 xiangling build and a 60:120 xiangling build, but the first one has 120 er and the second one has 180 er
the second build is pretty much better by all means of objective measurement

even though its almost twice as bad crit-wise

[modern raven]

I never do golden ratio because it it very painful to achieve.. but it enough to tame the abysss..

[bleak river]

I'm tempted to raise harp for yelan ngl

[grand kestrel]

well I'm not gonna harp on your decision.

[bleak river]

not even a decision, just a temptation

[grand kestrel]

a temptation is simply a decision you have not yet completed.

[modern raven]

John Xina

[fleet knot]

harp for yelan is basically only 60cv and nothing else

[bleak river]

true, but i dont have another fav raised

(i could just steal it when diona isnt being used...which is like most of the time)

[fleet knot]

diona often wants sac anyways

since shes used on comps as a second cryo

so more cryo orbs >

[fleet knot]

you should 90 yelan asap

its more important than 90'ing a weapon for other chars

also i'd say you're probably better off with a crit rate circlet

and from a purely cv perspective that is probably true

but 17 er is hard to lose when you only have like 200

[timber hearth]

ikr

pro gamer

[tired burrow]

Bro that def is insane how’d u get so lucky

[timber hearth]

ascension 8

[ancient sun]

thoughts on the Yelan build

if i can get her

no i will not be getting Emblem

[open shore]

Prob need some recharge but otherwise 👍

[blissful wagon]

only note would be that the Skyward Harp doesn't have huge synergy with Yelan - if you have another bow character on the team you might consider using it on them instead

[open shore]

An er weapon or even the three star with hp% likely provides more value than the harp tbh 😔 keep harp on the hydro fatui

[frail eagle]

excuse me Im new but how do you show your character like that ?

[visual osprey]

u can use enka.network to generate character banners like that from a uid
it pulls characters on ur ingame profile showcase

[frail eagle]

ohh thank you

[visual osprey]

heres my link for example https://enka.shinshin.moe/u/606523499

from ther u can screenshot or export image

[frail eagle]

okk okk thank you

Can I show my Yanfei and my Ayaka ?

"There's no character found"

[bleak river]

I don't have sac
Like any

[open shore]

The site pulls from your profile showcase, so if you don't have any characters displayed, the summaries can't be generated. You will also have to have your showcase details visible for the site to work

[open shore]

H-how........ How long have you been playing 😱

[sacred prism]

sacrificial weapon?

[bleak river]

since april...last year

[elfin flume]

good stat, expect much damage for her skill but not her burst

[ancient sun]

why not her burst

[elfin flume]

her burst will still do tho, but not that much since u wasn't using 4p eosf

hp scale on her skill is bigger than her burst

[grand kestrel]

all the weapons I haven't bothered to level up because I already have them or just don't care about them...

the other side.

[bleak river]

Like, for reference, I got dbane a few banners ago on standard, and painslasher while pulling yelan

Also wtf
R5 hamayumi, amber, iron sting, proto archaic, kitain, snowtombed
R3 whiteblind, r2 mappa mare and cpike
R5 vh on diona, R5 serpent spine, r2 DM

How do you have the billets

[grand kestrel]

I've been playing for a while.

[bleak river]

Still a lot of billets spent

How many do you have left

[grand kestrel]

I don't have any in reserve lol

[bleak river]

Ah

Billet broke

[grand kestrel]

I mean, what the hell am I holding on to them for?

[bleak river]

Fair, but I wait for future craftables

[grand kestrel]

assuming future craftables are good, I will simply use future billets for them.

[bleak river]

Yes, but in case they are rly good, I'd want to get them asap

[grand kestrel]

I'd still have to farm mats regardless, I don't like to waste time building surplus.

they are never going to be so good that I need to stop everything until I get them.

[bleak river]

Also I see a distinct lack of amenoma XD

[grand kestrel]

amenoma?

[fleet knot]

Sac bow yeah

[bleak river]

Amenoma kageuchi, inazuma craftable sword

[grand kestrel]

oh, yeah I have it

I have a lot of weapons 😛

[fleet knot]

Fun fact, as someone who had put like 800 wishes into the weapon banner at the time, I never had a single stringless

I finally got it off a char banner but at that point I had elegy

So I never leveled it

[grand kestrel]

the middle

[bleak river]

Meanwhile my sis acct has sac bow XD

[bleak river]

Ah you didn't send everything

[grand kestrel]

nope

[bleak river]

You crafted frostbearer…

[grand kestrel]

anything between 80 and 1 is pretty much not in use

I crafted everything.

[fleet knot]

Rip

[grand kestrel]

and I will likely have everything crafted R5 at some point.

[fleet knot]

I think I've crafted exactly 2 weapons

Both archaic

[bleak river]

I've crafted one of each other than dragonspine I think

And iron sting r2, amber r3

[grand kestrel]

I didn't get kazuha's weapon, so iron sting is the next best thing

[bleak river]

It's not a big difference from what I've seen

Between iron sting and fs

[grand kestrel]

I wasn't worried about it, and still probably not likely to roll on it in the future unless I want the other weapon lol

[bleak river]

I have chosen to not get cq or fs

[grand kestrel]

it looks nice

[bleak river]

It does look nice
Just not on kazu

[grand kestrel]

lol

yeah, they had a theme in mind, and who cares if it has anything to do with the character?

[bleak river]

Tru

[grand kestrel]

it matches Eula's blade

[bleak river]

Waiting for his sword, and I'll just piece tgt a dps build XD

[grand kestrel]

at least Eula's sword looks good on her

[bleak river]

True

[fleet knot]

honestly

ive had fs on kazuha

and it does look nice on him

its a bit different at first but you get used to it

some weapon/unit pairs are way less pleasing imo

[bleak river]

How much does fs do?

[fleet knot]

i think fs boosts my whole team's damage by almost 8%

considering most weapons are about a 10-20% boost to only that unit

i think fs is quite big

[bleak river]

Hmm

[fleet knot]

id definitely get yelan before fs though

i think you were asking about that one earlier

[bleak river]

I got yelan alr

[fleet knot]

poggie

[bleak river]

Hence why my fate count is low

But like
Msr increases dmg by 10k
Fs does 3k
Cq does 2k

^ayaka burst tick

[fleet knot]

cq?

calamity queller

[bleak river]

Mhmm

[fleet knot]

oh like, indirectly

[bleak river]

Yep

But ofc only with quills active

[fleet knot]

yeah so thats 2k * 5

[bleak river]

So total difference is much lower XD

[fleet knot]

10k total damage per rotation, where ayaka is going to be doing hundreds of thousands of damage

[bleak river]

Much pog

[fleet knot]

god shenhe's balance annoys me

[bleak river]

Well actl 20k, since two e uses

XD

[fleet knot]

thats the annoying version of the rotation but sure

[bleak river]

Well it's also to refill energy

[fleet knot]

but yeah i use kazuha almost strictly for raiden, so the only benefit i get from fs is 10% damage bonus + some em for kazuha's personal damage, some em for more buffing from a4, and 20% atk

[bleak river]

A4 difference is like one percent or sth

[fleet knot]

yeah its hardly a factor

20% atk but i use sara

no noblesse though so theres something

and its still about 5-6% for her

[bleak river]

Bennett isn't on noblesse?

[fleet knot]

no bennett

[bleak river]

Wait what
Not doing hyperraiden?

[fleet knot]

it is hyper raiden

i just prefer that xingqiu does hundreds of thousands of damage already

and he heals enough

ive been using this exact team since 2.1 so i can confirm that it works for pretty much all content

even eletro slimes because kazuha xingqiu absolutely do enough damage to clear a chamber

only thing that would give me pause is if both halves of 1 abyss had electro boss enemies

but that has never happened and i expect it never will

[bleak river]

Ah hyperraiden with a side of ec

[modern raven]

is mona worth a crown?

[elfin flume]

her burst, yes

[tired burrow]

I’m going to cry

[unkempt oriole]

why

[stone slate]

dps kazuha 🥶

[bleak river]

It's a p good piece, but it's maidens

[tired burrow]

exactly what jhgamer said :(

[unkempt oriole]

Oh I see

[modern raven]

best build

for xiao

everrrrrr

everrrrrrrrrrr

[gritty tusk]

C1 Keqing Hyper Carry & Duo Wangsheng Funeral Parlor | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/chkwlhSK0zQ

[crystal heath]

👍 that was nice

[proper pine]

I got my boi. What’s the best artifacts to give him!

[main blaze]

Congrats! The more popular opinion is the new vermilion set but i personally prefer 2vvs and 2glads

[river ore]

@main blaze has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[urban plaza]

Yeah Vermilion is tailor made for him but apparently it is only 5% better than 2VV+2Glad
And I already have a 2+2 VV-Glad set that I am happy with, so I'm running that

[fleet knot]

i recommend setting up genshin optimizer and itll tell ya what the best to use for him is

tutorials playlist

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcVsEMZO5IVFQdeh8zteZwiNchObfQ684

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

and the website

[visual osprey]

2 piece vv,glad,shime all work perfectly fine for xiao

personally i dont like vermillion bcos it drags him out even longer

i really dont like the part of xiao's kit that makes him wanna stay on field for way too long for more dmg

my xiao with 2glad 2shime (built by genshin optimizer link balakin sent abov)

[jolly thorn]

since there’s no guarantee i’ll get lost prayer or extra widsiths should i get the solar pearl for yanfei? is it worth it?

[visual osprey]

yanfei can use solar pearl pretty well, she wants to always b using normal attacks charge attacks and Es whenever she has them

[main blaze]

Same

It just feels more awkward than what it already is

And apart from that you'd do less physical and E damage outside of your ult which is a big problem if you're C1

Vv and Glad seems a bit more consistent

[visual osprey]

i gues just depends on substats

[jolly thorn]

well (leaks) ||the archipelago is coming back so if dodoco tales comes back i’ll just aim for that||

[grand kestrel]

so what do those of us who already have it get?

[jolly thorn]

second one i guess lmao

[grand kestrel]

meh

[jolly thorn]

some people could be happy with it

[crystal heath]

i dont think so but if it does

then same

[grand kestrel]

I am not some people.

[main blaze]

They never rerun event 4 star weapons right

[visual osprey]

havnt yet

[grand kestrel]

and there's no precedent whether they would run them in order, either, so they could totally throw back whichever they choose at any time.

[frail eagle]

I think the flower and the feather are good but I need to change the others

[humble pecan]

Def% on ayaka?

[fleet knot]

a def% circlet in order to complete 4p blizz is probably better than rainbow

4blizz is arguably the best set bonus in the game

maybe second only to vv

[digital basin]

eosf

[fleet knot]

eosf is a common set

but its not as stupid powerful as blizz or vv

[humble pecan]

imo eosf is probably like 3rd or 4th best

[fleet knot]

sf is like, 20% er and usually 40-60% burst damage bonus

which is really good, its like 1.5 main stats

blizz is like almost 2 full mainstats

and vv is literally just a 1.3x multiplier on team damage

[digital basin]

Blizzard strayer,VV,eosf

[tired burrow]

should i switch to cr circlet or should i js keep pulling stuff and hope for cr sub stats :p

[stone slate]

cr circlet is probably easier

[humble pecan]

If i did the math correctly cr circlet will give u more dmg

[knotty steppe]

ofc

[ruby warren]

which build is better for ayaka

[bleak river]

Last one
The rest lack the crit rate (due to lack of 4bs)

[gritty tusk]

C0 Kamisato Ayato Taser & C0 Kamisato Ayaka Melt | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/zH6gKS3rNHc

[quasi topaz]

What do you think?

[gilded dock]

might need more CR
also, use this site
https://enka.shinshin.moe

[quasi topaz]

Ahh how many ER for yae? , sorry i just log off and i lazy to log in again

[gilded dock]

just check https://enka.shinshin.moe @quasi topaz
if yae is in your profile, you don't need to do asnything ingame

[quasi topaz]

I know but, im lazy xD

in my profile i not attach yae

I should log in to put yae on it

[gilded dock]

I'd prob go for 1-2 more rolls in ER

or switch one of the two sets for ESF

[quasi topaz]

Hmm like 9-10% more ER?

[quasi topaz]

Hmmm i not have any good EOSF rn

[gilded dock]

e.g. this is tenha's characters in his profile
https://enka.shinshin.moe/u/800101505

[quasi topaz]

Woah so cool build

[gilded dock]

as I said, not mine. and don't ping me on every message

[quasi topaz]

Sorry

[tender agate]

guys is the 3* mondstadt bow is better for yelan than the 4* event bow?

3* is that hp bow

[gilded dock]

yeah, unless you have high HP% rolls and like no ER

[violet iron]

Yes

Damage does nothing to Yelan

[feral sparrow]

Hello, I want to do the shogun hypercarry (shogun c1 + sara c6 + bennet + kazu)

But I don't know very well how to build Sara and what weapon to put on her, any advice?

[feral sparrow]

These are my weapons

[bleak river]

Two simulacra…

[feral sparrow]

I wanted the jade spear for xiao

[open shore]

Prob whatever has the highest base atk. I think mouun moon is supposed to be one of her weapons that increases her personal dmg too

[feral sparrow]

Okay, thanks ✨️

[bleak river]

Yep

[fleet knot]

Blatantly false

Damage bonus very much does benefit yelan

[fleet knot]

Twilight is probably the best bow of the ones you've got
Get like 180-200 er and then just build damage

My Sara is running er atk crit

Because she already gets a lot of damage bonus from Raiden e and kazuha

[violet iron]

All her skills and even her breakthrough scales off HP

[fleet knot]

Hp, damage bonus, and crits

Her burst benefits from severed fate

All her damage benefits from 2HoD

[violet iron]

Oh wait

[fleet knot]

(you didn't say attack)

[violet iron]

I thought you were talking about stuff like atk+311 on plumes

Sry

[fleet knot]

Na
They were asking about twilight bow on yelan vs recurve bow

Twilight bow gives damage bonus

But you said damage does nothing for yelan

The issue with twilight is that it has a low er stat and high base attack

And that is bad for her

[quasi abyss]

are these good for raiden?

i thank the rng gods for those crit rolls

[limpid urchin]

ya can get it from standard banner thooo

[feral sparrow]

Okay, thanks

[feral sparrow]

I know, but i rlly dont wish on the standard

[limpid urchin]

are you Xiao main?

[open shore]

Not bad, but I hope you have Crit rate elsewhere

[fleet knot]

Yes but crit rate is important too

^^

[feral sparrow]

More shogun main than xiao
I have to redo his build, so now he is waiting

[limpid urchin]

what con on Ei?

[bleak river]

yes this is my worst hydro goblet out of the three i have raised

[feral sparrow]

C1, the c2 skipped me (next time the c2 will be mine 💸)

[limpid urchin]

hope you get c2 in the future!

[feral sparrow]

Thanku <3

[tender agate]

then for who is that bow good?

[gilded dock]

It just isnt a good bow

Better than the atrocity of 2.5 though

2.5 weapon shouldve scaled off hp, not atk

[bleak river]

mhmm

[tender agate]

awh...

[gilded dock]

So many pings today

[grand kestrel]

pingu day

[magic aspen]

Someone suggest Abyss Comps

[bleak river]

sucrose xq fischl beidou
eula team maybe

[open shore]

Ayyyy I thought you weren't gunna get her???

[bleak river]

i gave in

[bleak river]

after weighing yelan vs fs

[open shore]

FS?

[quasi abyss]

crit rate circlet

i rlly need a LOT more tho

raiden has 100 crit dmg and 24 crit rate it’s painful

[bleak river]

freedom sworn for kazu :)

[open shore]

Sell the spare kidney and get both 😁

[bleak river]

no
a spare is useful when something goes wrong

and also sumeru is on the horizon (zero dawn) ||kinda sorry not sorry||

[open shore]

Watch them release just one dendro character and have sales go through the roof just cus if demand lol

[bleak river]

lmaooo

and its gonna be kusa too XD

[grand kestrel]

isn't Sumeru in the west? XD

[bleak river]

wait im not getting the joke

[grand kestrel]

if Sumeru is in the west, then it is also the forbidden west.

[bleak river]

oh wait you continued the horizon joke

i didnt realise XD

[loud lake]

what can i improve

[gritty tusk]

Ayato Hyper Carry & C3 Raiden Shogun Mono Electro | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/PM2pbscSEGY

[gilded dock]

getting C3 and more crit

or if you prefer visuals

[gilded dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ8pUzZ4vIg

this is interesting

I need to try Yelan ult > atk buffer > E > atk buffer

[quasi abyss]

[digital basin]

All of your pieces

[fluid orbit]

How much er and em does klee need?

[frail eagle]

I didn't have a better option for the crown stat but the substats are pretty good

so I took this for the moment but sure I'll change it

[quasi abyss]

did it

old flowers vs new flower

i somehow have more er then before??

[modern raven]

Sorry, lumine, Sayu needs your arts

[quaint heath]

Saved for Itto

[gilded dock]

C0 Itto vs C6 Noelle, a lot still prefer noelle. damage is same as well

[quaint heath]

My Noelle is only c2

[modern raven]

not same though.. itto have stat CRT RT increase each level, so it easy for itto to achive CRTRT 60 vs 280 CDMG using redhorn... noelle using rehorn and crit rate helm can only achieve aroung CDMG 230-240.. it differetn story if you can achive CRT RT 60prcnt on noelle while still using CDMG helm..

[gilded dock]

Dude i am talking about whales that were AR60 at the beginning of the year, like Tenha
Once there is more than one mob, noelle is better due to her massive AOE, and she doesnt need a healer because she is one

[modern raven]

you said damage as well.. if talk about damage, itto still have more damage i think..

[modern raven]

maybe if itto and noelle have same stat, the damage of Q might same.. but can noelle achimve CRT RT 60, CGMD 280/300?

[gilded dock]

if you count the ushi-meteor in a 1v1 scenario like bosses, sure, but his damage is almost-exclusive to 1 mob in front of him

[modern raven]

yes.. different scenario different output..

[gilded dock]

also, you can't just unga-bunga his CA endlessly

without C6, the max is 5, and the normals aren't as impressive as the CA

[silent rivet]

Need help with my F2P build, using Rust R4

Team comp Ei, Yelan, Yoi and Zhongli

Is this build good enough?

[unkempt oriole]

seems decent

though it doesnt hurt to top up a bit more crit rate

[silent rivet]

Later i will change my crit rate circlet and see

Thanks for the response

[unkempt oriole]

sure sure, but this is already decent for f2p

[ocean ember]

If you're doing 4p SR, that ER is way too low

[silent rivet]

Might gonna snatch the Thundering Pulse if i can win my 6th 50/50

[ocean ember]

Otherwise, seems fine

CR is a bit low like it was mentioned, and EM is also low if you're doing vape

[silent rivet]

Im using her E skill as main DPS only with Yelan as SubDPS while Raiden as baterry tho

[unkempt oriole]

it seems like its overloading team before yelan

[ocean ember]

Not saying her burst should be her focus, but in general Q into E is her highest damage combo. A lot of people just disregard her burst thinking it does nothing but it's still a significant part of her damage (also considering the buff). I mean, you do you ofc alksdjal but I've seen the misconception around a lot that SR is her best set, when it's CW.

But yeah, seems mostly like a fun team anyways

Raiden + Yoi isn't a good match in general, but it's pretty fun to play, at least ime

[unkempt oriole]

yea her burst does a lot of dmg in rotation

[silent rivet]

Oh is it, CW is better than Shime? I can steal the CW from Diluc or Hutao...Hahahah

[ocean ember]

Yeah, CW is better than SR. A combo of 2p CW, 2p ATK or 2p WT can also be better than SR in many situations.

[unkempt oriole]

but honestly if you have already built ur SR