🔨・build-discussion

[fleet knot]

a whole 3

that could be 20 crit damage

[gilded dock]

Which site?

[fleet knot]

enka.network

just came out of beta this patch

its shinshin.moe but the new version

like, same dev

pulls from your character showcase

[gilded dock]

Character showcase?
Need to check later

[fleet knot]

yeah like, your profile

in game

[gilded dock]

Ah that

I need to do that at home then

It works

[fleet knot]

how is your hp 26k with an hp timepiece

[modern raven]

Finishing floor 9 😭

is C4 Sara good?

[gritty tusk]

Duo C3 Raiden Shogun Carry & C1 Hu Tao Vape | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/JcVQSy191Xw

[bleak bluff]

Anyone know the best raiden national rotation?

[severe quest]

For me personally Raiden, xangling, xingqu and yelan works best and benny boy could go on other teams

[bleak bluff]

Ooo ok

Thabk you

*thank

[bleak river]

That's not a rotation…

[urban plaza]

Shogun, Benny, XQ and XL
Start with Shogun E
Benny Q, then Benny E
Quick XL Q, XL E
(She'll use her burst and then collect the particles generated by Benny's E)
XQ E, XQ Q
(so that he can possibly collect his own particles)
Raiden Q
Repeat

Here, make sure you are standing on Benny's Burst circle when you do XL Q and maybe even XQ Q

E is skill
Q is Burst

If on Pc, left Alt+character switch will directly start the character's burst

[urban plaza]

I wouldn't realllyyy recommend this because this is double hydro and idk why
You miss out on heals and 2-3 layers of buffs
(Being: Benny buff, Noblesse Buff and Pyro resonance)
Again, XL is rather dependent on Bennett
Assuming you are using ER sands (for ER reasons) or EM sands (because well... also, ER can be found via weapon)- she'll be missing out on attack, and Benny can help give her that (Even more so- since her burst snapshots)
Also, He helps battery her

[modern raven]

have someone already built Yelan?

[gilded dock]

80/80

Lacking conches

[visual osprey]

i hav the artifacts for yelan but not the primos

[bleak river]

That's only one artifact

[open shore]

grabby hands

[visual osprey]

well yea i hav more than 1 but im saying i cant relly use them

[oblique pelican]

Xingqiu

[visual osprey]

the goblet is on xq right now, but yelan would b able to use the hp roll

[oblique pelican]

XQ heals too yk

[open shore]

yes xq

[bleak river]

Ah yes
Healer xq

[open shore]

meta /s

[azure kindle]

is this good 😭

do i need more cr

[native mulch]

for mona

should i use hod or emblem

and should i use widsith or buy bp for solar pearl:'>??

[blissful wagon]

IMO catalyst weapons depend more on team comp than optimizing for a specific user

[tender agate]

i would try making CR around 70

which polearm did you give him btw? i also got him but don't have any polearm to give (trying to get his signature weapon, i hope i can hit pity early :')

[azure kindle]

staff of homa

[rigid orbit]

i use 4 set emblem & R2 widsith for mona

[silk nest]

4 emblem

[azure kindle]

and good luck on pulling his weapon ❤️

[tender agate]

thanks, i am okay with yelan's bow too tbh lol got both ;w;

[quasi abyss]

is there a reason why ppl use a bennett/Mona/Kazuha/Other team?

i see a LOT of ppl using them on dps Kazuha showcase tiktok’s

are they both support or is it for vap?

[timid yarrow]

I literally rolled not expecting xiao and I got him and know nun about him LMFAO, but which stats are better for him? I got bad artifscts lmfao

[tired burrow]

hi!! working on a dps kaz so to answer that, em kazuha would benefit from vape (I would assume??). For anemo damage build, Bennett is primarily there for atk bonus. sometimes (if ur using mistsplitter) c6 Bennett also gets u that stack for increased atk. mona does her burst omen buff thing. i personally (when I’m tryna showcase) use Bennett mona chonghun kazuha bc Chongyun gets that one mistsplitter stack, though ur initial idea of vape works if u want a big vape number vs a big anemo number

[bleak bluff]

ooo thanks

[quasi abyss]

ty!!! i’m thinking of doing dps kazuha because i put kazuhas full em build on traveler and i’m kinda loving it rn, and dps seems to do more dmg so

[tired burrow]

ofc!! for crit build js know i've been building (farming??) since january and still struggle with vv pieces :/ BUT HE'S REALLY fun to play i love him more than the existing dps units💪

[open shore]

Definitely the anemo goblet as def isn't really useful. Use it for now until you can get better substats

[fleet knot]

thats the tricky part about kazuha

his dps build is way less total team damage than a support build

even when he is the main carry, having his swirl damage he huge while also buffing all the sub dps units is just >>

because swirls have quadratic scaling but his damage is only linear

if you dont know what that means, tl:dr is that swirl damage goes hard

[open shore]

Em kazuha hits so hard even if swirl can't Crit like I meant to set up my dps but now everything is already dead oops

[timid yarrow]

Thanks!!

[river ore]

@timid yarrow has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[bleak bluff]

anyone know how much er yelan should have?

[humble pecan]

Around 200% is what I've heard and seen other people say

[bleak bluff]

oh ok thank you

[open shore]

I haven't fully tested yet, but should be close to what xq needs (200+ without sacr bow, less with)

[humble pecan]

^

XQ has a higher burst cost, but he generates more particles with his e if i remember correctly, so their er requirements are probably around the same

[bleak bluff]

thanks for the advice :)

[open shore]

[river ore]

@open shore has leveled up to LEVEL 11

[tall gull]

https://i.imgur.com/1nwf6Xm.mp4

If you run Yelan with XQ, your ER requirement can be insanely lowered; I have 137% (total) with a C1 and am slightly under able to burst on cooldown

[modern raven]

call me crazy but

tenacity on Yae?

[open shore]

😱

[open shore]

Ayyyy drop that build 👀👀

[open shore]

Eye.... Will not be able to reach this 😔

[tired burrow]

ayo wait someone in here earlier was talking abt this thing that takes the builds from ur profile

anyone kno whats thats called

[tall gull]

https://enka.shinshin.moe/

[tired burrow]

tysm!!

[open shore]

Oh is it out of beta??

[tall gull]

It is indeed

[open shore]

[humble pecan]

Yep, i think they released it to the public either yesterday or today

[open shore]

I assume it needs your details public tho 😔

[tall gull]

It went live yesterday, sometime in the afternoon

I tried it when it first went live and got a buncha errors

[open shore]

[tired burrow]

how is this so… good yet so bad???

[tall gull]

[open shore]

x2

[tall gull]

[open shore]

X4

[modern raven]

Jean circlet

[tired burrow]

ayy I got her today the games on to me

[modern raven]

see?

[fleet knot]

triple crown c6 zamm

i think ive got a slight edge in build quality but you've got me beat on cons

[crisp bronze]

Hi. I’ve got c6 noelle recently. Should I use def%/def%/def% or def%/geo dmg/crit artifacts?

[fleet knot]

def geo crit

[modern raven]

what weapon you have on her?

[crisp bronze]

Currently using whiteblind

[modern raven]

in that case yes, def /geo/crit

[fleet knot]

there is no weapon where you wouldnt use def geo crit

maybe redhorn you could do def geo def

but it'd have to be a damn good def circlet

because you get so much def from husk and the timepiece

[crisp bronze]

I see

Thanks for the recommendation!

[tall gull]

Ya my artifact luck is bunnnnnnnnnnnnnnns

That's a great CV value/ER

[unkempt oriole]

yea similar to what balakin mentioned
there's only so much improvements u can do by raising base stats
improving crit/cdmg wise may do more

[narrow ingot]

lisa,sayu,yun jin,aloy

[open shore]

Mood

[narrow ingot]

best build.

[modern raven]

okay so people who use emblem is Mona, Xiangling, Xingqiu and Sara right?

[idle granite]

yes, Raiden uses it too

[modern raven]

i dont have raiden ;-;

but im farming in emblem domain

[open shore]

Also good for beidou

[modern raven]

i dont have beidou ;-;

[open shore]

😔

Any burst dmg dealer 👌

[modern raven]

hmm

[open shore]

Rosaria can use it

[modern raven]

i just got gorou and c2 noelle

[modern raven]

ohk

imma add her to the list

[open shore]

Kaeya if burst support

Emblem is also good if you don't need the full four piece but need er, combined with a 18+ ATK for example, which can also be farmed in that domain

[modern raven]

is the new bow good on anyone?

[open shore]

In general, that domain is very resin efficient

[modern raven]

i just r5 the bow

[open shore]

Eh possibly fischl even if she doesn't need the er. But passive is nice if you don't have stringless

[modern raven]

oh, can i put it on sara?

[open shore]

If you need the er, sure, passive isn't great in her but if you lack er en sure

[modern raven]

i dont have anymore widsiths so i gave ningguang fav codex and yanfei oathsworn

[modern raven]

oh

[open shore]

But er will have her burst buff up quickly

[modern raven]

ohh

k

building all my charas

and lvl 80 them, abyss is smacking me istg

[modern raven]

Emblem is good for any sub dps or support

it's free ER like pocket noblesse

hmm

what artis does gorou and noelle use?

Gorou you could use 4pc husk or 2pc husk + 2pc emblem

and noelle, depends how you wanna build her

[bleak river]

Also depends on c6(?)

[modern raven]

hmm c0 gorou and c2 noelle

[open shore]

Abyss will smack you around hard if you enter it too early tbh 😱

[modern raven]

mm... floor 10 ✨

[open shore]

If you're not a whale, would suggest taking abyss slow 😱 the turtle won the race in the end afterall

Focus on eight characters who can do most things, and try not to get distracted by shiny new characters

Picking two solid teams should be the main focus if you want to tackle abyss seriously 💪

(learn from my mistake of leveling too many at once lol)

[bleak bluff]

Do i level up yelans normal attack if she is just a hydro applicator?

[open shore]

Normals would be for simping reasons mostly, unless you plan to rotate her to use her special aoe aimed shot

[bleak bluff]

Hmm ok

Thank you

[humble pecan]

Yeah her normal attack is pretty useless except for breakthrough barbs

[uneven pecan]

whats better on yelan fading twilight or sac bow

[unkempt oriole]

i think it depends on ur build

[uneven pecan]

i have 4pcs emblem

[unkempt oriole]

then you can probably just go for her BiS for the cdmg

oh wait nvm i thought u meant the 5star

[uneven pecan]

loool

[unkempt oriole]

but yea i would prefer fading twilight anyways

[uneven pecan]

her highest is 29k cause im still levelling her up cause i thought id lose the 50/50 again

but here she is

[unkempt oriole]

tahts nice

[humble pecan]

I'd personally do Fading Twilight for dmg but sac bow would give you more burst uptime

[tired burrow]

hello who is the new bow good on??

[grand kestrel]

Yelan

[idle granite]

its decent on anyone that needs damage

like it can be useful on Childe

[modern raven]

basically anyone

Even diona

[tired burrow]

ah wait

restatement

The new event bow not the gacha one

The one with er substat

[modern raven]

well, you still need some er on Diona

[uneven pecan]

should i use hydro dmg bonus cup or hp on yelan

[modern raven]

hydro damage

[bleak river]

Hydro, even if your hp goblet is cracked

[uneven pecan]

alr

[modern raven]

if anything, you want your hydro goblet to be cracked with hp instead

[uneven pecan]

thats all i have rn

[bleak river]

Well first if you don't have enough er
And second for dmg

[modern raven]

first one unless you need some CR

[uneven pecan]

i need more cd

im still farming

[modern raven]

well, that's still good

i'd say use the first one

[uneven pecan]

alr

should i use hp or er sands

[river ore]

@uneven pecan has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[uneven pecan]

im still levelling er sands

when i use er sands

[modern raven]

damn, i'd say try both

[uneven pecan]

when i use hp sands

[modern raven]

if you keep burst uptime without er sands, you're good

[uneven pecan]

okokok

this is my team rn is it okay

[modern raven]

that's pretty good

[uneven pecan]

i use venti to gather the enemies then use benny burst then yelan skill + burst

her highest rn is 35k since im still levelling her up

currently shes lvl 70 and telents are 3-5-4

[modern raven]

do you need zhongli when you have bennett healing?

seems overkill

[uneven pecan]

i only use zhongli when fighting enemies in inazuma cause they kill me easily xd

[modern raven]

ayylmao

then you're good

same here

[uneven pecan]

should i use skyward blade or sac sword on bennett?

[bleak river]

Skyward

[modern raven]

skyward for atk

er sands

[uneven pecan]

alr

[modern raven]

otherwise you aren't getting much atk boost

[bleak river]

Atk buff doesn't benefit yelan tho…

[uneven pecan]

ik but i need the pyro for vape

[bleak river]

You won't be vaping much unless you infuse venti burst with pyro

[modern raven]

vaping is bad for your lungs

[tired burrow]

childe endorsing vaping

how could he

[uneven pecan]

i do that

[modern raven]

reverse sunflare

[bleak river]

I find it funny that sunfire is taking two healers and putting them tgt

[modern raven]

healers = overpowered

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-anime-handshake-bros-shake-hands-gif-12270042

[tired burrow]

for sunfire a) r u supposed to use both kaz and jean and what r the drawbacks of only using one and b) would u build them triple em or er or wht

[modern raven]

isn't sunfire bennett and jean though?

[tired burrow]

i've seen both tbh cuz kazuha burst has the same idea of circular infusion at intervals

[modern raven]

if you're not running bennet, where are you getting that pyro infusion?

[tired burrow]

no no i meant bennett kazuha and jean

• some actual damage dealer :(

[modern raven]

That'll be interesting

i mean, it will work that's for sure

[tired burrow]

going to shove childe in there

[modern raven]

if you run a cryo or hydro dps

[tired burrow]

ah

oh

[modern raven]

*cryo or hydro i meant

[bleak river]

Then you might as well put xl instead of jean

[modern raven]

Seems overkill given that both jean and benny are healers

it will work with just 2 of them, kazuha and bennett, or jean and bennett

[tired burrow]

true initially i was worried that both my healers r spent on one team but i have diona so its ok

ah

[tired burrow]

bennett kazuha childe xl aka inter**national

full circle babey

[bleak river]

Yep international

[modern raven]

bloody national team

always pulling the strings from the shadows

[tired burrow]

theres no escaping

[modern raven]

maybe we do live in a society after all

https://tenor.com/view/society-fart-poo-monkey-chicken-gif-19829617

[bleak river]

That looks fun

[tired burrow]

until it breaks

like that one vid of the guy at the mall doing a vr thing and his pod rolls away

i probably cant find it but ykwim

[tired burrow]

bro minus childe/kaz/bennett/xiangling team ideas?? like I’m willing to build anyone at this point just what do u guys think is most fun💪💪

[quasi abyss]

Yanfei, Xingqiu, Sucrose/Jean, bennett.
Aloy, Sucrose/Jean, fishl, chongyun/rosaria,

the second one works in multiple targets for me, sucrose brings them together, fishl shoots off field at c1? chongyun/rosaria have the little ice thing for their ults, and aloy can do big dmg if you build her right. mine is lvl 40 and can sometimes do 5k for her e and 11k for ult

[bleak river]

Oz is off field anyway

[quasi abyss]

ohh i thought it was a con

[bleak river]

The main mechanic of fischl is summoning oz

And that's all she's good for most of the time

[quasi abyss]

i saw someone doing 32k phs dmg with fishl

[bleak river]

Well ofc fischl can be built phys but eh

[unkempt oriole]

fischl designated weapon is phys dmg bonus tho

[bleak river]

what?
I can't hear you over my stringless

[unkempt oriole]

lmaooooooo stringless is sticking with venti

[glacial flame]

I almost hit 400k. 4k off

[bleak river]

With who?

[glacial flame]

Eula

The nuke queen

[bleak river]

Nice
Team and enemy?

[glacial flame]

I don't remember

I was looking at my highest crit and saw and I'm like when???

[bleak river]

Eula lisa ros and benny?

[glacial flame]

Oh it probably when I was doing the talent domain in Inazuma

[bleak river]

Phys domain is vv tho

[glacial flame]

Raiden, Eula, benny and zhongli I think

[bleak river]

Nice

[acoustic cedar]

hey how do you build yelan

[open shore]

4pc eosf HP or er/hydro/Crit

[bleak river]

Or if your hp circlet is rly good, HP hydro hp

[willow bear]

you mean another zhongli build?

[bleak river]

…?

[willow bear]

btw what's good on Xiao?

[willow bear]

my zhongli is Hp-geo dmg-hp

[bleak river]

Atk anemo crit
4VerH or 2 vv 2 atk%

[willow bear]

okay thank you

[bleak river]

Np

[open shore]

Kind of but with offensive stats

[bleak river]

Cuz HP is literally just dmg for yelan

[willow bear]

what should I give zhongli?
I wanna make him semi dps or support

[willow bear]

ooohh

[bleak river]

Personally, I would triple hp on 4totm for zl

[willow bear]

lemme check if I have this ones

[bleak river]

And as shield bot, you only need the mainstat and arti set

[gritty tusk]

C0 Ayato National & C0 Ayaka Freeze / Moryana / Moryaka | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/Nb5yYiWKFPY

[bleak river]

Hello jsenpai

[azure kindle]

umm idk if i did the set up right?

[azure kindle]

i really wish i had mona and c6 sara😞

[bleak river]

Why Mona tho

[azure kindle]

doesn’t mona boost dmg

[bleak river]

Well ye but best hyper electro is sara kazu benny

[azure kindle]

well maybe it’s cuz none of my supports are fully built yet

[bleak river]

…that would prob be it

[azure kindle]

:3

[slim valve]

you got the right team tho

doesn't even need mona

[azure kindle]

😭

[slim valve]

unless you want to showcase or etv

[azure kindle]

i do want to do a showcase eventually

[slim valve]

just wait for lose on 50/50 pity then

or from standard's fate monthly

[azure kindle]

c1 keqing or jean could’ve been mona 😔

[bleak river]

idk if mona is better than prec6 sara

[slim valve]

i mean change kazuha

[bleak river]

hell no, he gives:
40% res shred
32-40% dmg bonus depending on how much em

[slim valve]

omen give 60% dmg bonus

[bleak river]

res shred

[slim valve]

yeah doesnt have vv

[river ore]

@slim valve has leveled up to LEVEL 18

[bleak river]

if he doesnt have vv

what are you doing XD

[slim valve]

no i mean mona

[bleak river]

i assume mona would have 4tenacity and ttods

[river ore]

Tenacity of the Millelith

2 Piece Bonus: HP increased by 20%.
4 Piece Bonus: When an Elemental Skill hits an opponent, the ATK of all nearby party members is increased by 20% and their Shield Strength is increased by 30% for 3s. This effect can be triggered once every 0.5s. This effect can still be triggered even when the character who is using this artifact set is not on the field.

Rarity

4/5 ⭐

[slim valve]

so it is 40 res and 32-40 dmg bonus vs 68% atk and 60% dmg bonus

[azure kindle]

wait can mona use the emblem set

[bleak river]

yes

[bleak river]

id say for pre-c6 sara, replace her with mona instead

[slim valve]

yes

[azure kindle]

can this work for diluc 😭 he hit 267k with it

i hate crimson btw

[bleak river]

if it works

it works

[crystal heath]

btw what weapon if u can tell

just wanna know

[bleak river]

267k is rly big btw XD

[azure kindle]

blackcliff waiting for wgs

[crystal heath]

nice

[azure kindle]

thank u😭

[azure kindle]

she’s a work in progress but she still helps in abyss😭

idk how much er she should have….

[bleak river]

200 and above

[azure kindle]

alrighty

[open shore]

Also kinda depends who you're using her with

[azure kindle]

childe and raiden national team

[open shore]

Those two teams specifically don't need as much er. You might be okay for energy once your fav lance is lvled up, depending how you are with rotations

[azure kindle]

rotations….

[river ore]

@azure kindle has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[open shore]

Like if you're using benny to funnel particles to xiangling. I run my xl with 180 on Childe national

[azure kindle]

oh yes

[open shore]

Sucrose can also generate a lot of particles and helps even if not pyro

Or kazuha if you have him

[azure kindle]

umm what’s childe national😭

[azure kindle]

yea i do

[open shore]

Childe's current best team right now as far as I know is Childe benny xiangling kazuha

[azure kindle]

that’s EXACTLY the team i use 😭

[azure kindle]

but like what are the rotations for that team

[open shore]

Then energy generation is a little more forgiving. 170-180 is often enough for xl

Uhhhh I am not an expert on rotations but what works for me is
Benny ult, kazu ult & skill, xiangling skill and ult, go ham with Childe

Lol, everything after is dependent on who needs energy lmfao, usually I do benny skills into xiangling to catch particles, and same with kazuha skill

I literally do not think past the very first chamber where everyone's ult is free

I just slap buttons and hope it works

[ocean ember]

KQM's, but what I do is Childe E, Bennett Q, Kazuha hold E Q, Bennett E, XL Q E, Childe Q E melee until pyronado goes out (I usually switch a bit earlier to get his E back faster). Funnel particles to XL while CDs come back.

[azure kindle]

well the way i use childe is his burst bc i like nuking with him

[open shore]

Yeah his ranged ult is good to nuke with cus energy is refunded. He's basically your hydro applier so that xiangling can constantly vape

[open shore]

I forgot I typically Childe ult before going ham on his melee

[azure kindle]

alright

and what about raiden national team

[open shore]

Eh I don't have raiden sorry

[azure kindle]

oh okay

[ocean ember]

I really recommend swirling hydro on National though, as Childe's damage is substantial.

[open shore]

Yeah I used to try but then the brain required made me just go meh lol

Just easier to swirl Benny's ult 😂😂 head empty no brain only benny kazu combo

[ocean ember]

Ajdjjs tbf you only need to use Childe E at the beginning to swirl hydro, just to apply it

Childe E (change stance) -> Bennett Q -> Kazuha hold E (double swirl) Q (infuses pyro)

[open shore]

Eh, by the time I rotate back to Childe, wouldn't te buff have worn off anyway? 🤔

[ocean ember]

No, unless you take a while on XL

[open shore]

Oh wait double swirl

😔

Might try, but tbh, looking that hard to see if an enemy has the right element throws me off my game lol I get confused when I try to brain

Which is why I have yet to use kazu and Thoma with hu tao 😂😂😂

I am just head empty only smash

[ocean ember]

It's Kazuha -> XL (I add Bennett E before but it's still enough time for Childe's burst, for the VV shred) -> Childe. Kazuha's burst swirls and then applies the infused element, so as long as there's a stable hydro aura, you're refreshing Kazuha's A4 passive.

Ahdhdhsj well

Childe E and Bennett Q (not Bennett E) is sure to have a lingering hydro aura, as long as the enemy had no aura or hydro aura beforehand

So Kazuha E will double swirl

[open shore]

I don't even know when things have hydro aura SHDJFJJDJDD I'm just 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Ehhh maybe I'll try next reset 🤔

[ocean ember]

They have the hydro icon on top of them ajdjfjdj

But gl!

[open shore]

Dhdjdjdhs me? Paying attention while battling???????

[ocean ember]

Ahdhdhahaha

[modern raven]

xiao hitting 5k with lvl 1 burst

[azure kindle]

is it normal for him to hit 8k with no artifacts

[modern raven]

well, i got him some spare artifacts i got

white tassel and haven't leveled his talents

but overall he's just so good with whatever build you have

[tender agate]

ikr mine's 50lv and also deals 5k with e

[modern raven]

[tender agate]

(stole venti and yoimiya's artifacts tho lol)

[oblique pelican]

What's the max CDmg one can get for ayaka 4p BS w/ MSR?

Lv80(both)

[modern raven]

i've seen some 200 crit damage ayakas

[ocean ember]

200% CDMG is rather common

The max I've seen was more than 300%

[oblique pelican]

This is what I am talking about.

That's the best ayaka I've ever seen

[grand kestrel]

that crit rate..

I know you don't need as much because of set bonus, but...

[gilded dock]

that's 92.8% with boni

I'm more impressed by the 37.8 AND STILL having 302.2% CD and over 2k atk

[grand kestrel]

it only applies when cryo is active, which means anytime a reaction happens you lose it.

[gilded dock]

....have you ever fucking played freeze?

[oblique pelican]

And the ER too

[grand kestrel]

yes

[gilded dock]

if there#s a reaction other than freeze, wtf are you doing?

[grand kestrel]

fighting things that can't be frozen.

[gilded dock]

then you don't play her, simple

[grand kestrel]

or you don't build her that way.

[bleak bluff]

is this yelan build fine?

or does she need more of anything?

[gilded dock]

Wasted Potential

[grand kestrel]

I tend to favor the character's ability to fight against a boss over any other value, minions are rarely difficult to handle. Bosses frequently are immune to frozen, whether they have their own elemental affinity, or simply can't be frozen.

[ocean ember]

Tbf, freeze characters are just not made to fight bosses. Ganyu? Best team is with Venti, who also works with a lot of scattered mobs. Ayaka? Can work better for single target than freeze Ganyu, specially mono cryo, but shines with multiple mobs. Against bosses, I usually just don't play freeze.

[ocean ember]

Seems fine. Crit overall is a bit low, and you'd be better off sacrificing a bit of CDMG for CR. Depending on your team, you might get away with less ER but seems fine so far.

[ocean ember]

This is maybe what I saw, actually haha.

[bleak bluff]

ok thank you

[light valve]

Can fading twilight be used on venti or shall i keep using favonius warbow?

[ocean ember]

Fav Warbow, but the Stringless is better than both.

[light valve]

Currently dont have the stringless yet 😭

[ocean ember]

Ajdjs oop, but imo keep Fav

Reminds me I just recently (yesterday lmao) finally got my Ayaka a 4p BS, she used to be on 3p glad and 2 random pieces lmao. Her CR is a little bit low but eh. Can still see a lot of work but BS just doesn't like me lmao. One day I'll get her Mist as well.

Prev build had slightly higher ATK and CDMG, but less ER and like 40% CR (with no 4p BS xD).

[slim summit]

How do I do this

[ocean ember]

enka.shinshin.moe

[unkempt oriole]

AQUILA AYAKA KCKSKKDKXL

[azure kindle]

he’s hit 188k before💀 why isn’t he doing so now

[unkempt oriole]

Idk double pyro?

[azure kindle]

is that a bad thing-

[ocean ember]

Aquila is a good ATK stick tbf xD phys is wasted on her but ATK makes up for it and passive is decent, not good but eh

[modern raven]

why the heck is aquila's second stat physical

who it was supposed to be for

[ocean ember]

No idea lmao

Maybe one day they release a phys sword DPS unit

For now I think it's best for physical Keqing, but yeah... xD

[open shore]

Physical kaeya

[modern raven]

physical catalyst when?

[grand kestrel]

Physical catalyst.

[open shore]

Lisa throwing library books

[grand kestrel]

Lisa would never throw a library book.

and she'd probably kill you for suggesting it.

[open shore]

Maybe that was the goal

But bigger question is hydro polearm or cryo catalyst when 😔

Hydro claymore too 😔

[grand kestrel]

hydro diversity when?

Anemo only has 6 characters still and still has all the weapon types. Even Claymore, which really doesn't fit with Anemo.

Hydro now has 7 characters, and is missing two weapons, because the devs seem to think they needed three catalysts, two swords and two bows (one of which might as well be a sword)

so really Yelan is the first actual bow.

[tired burrow]

give us the hydro claymore

[open shore]

Give me someone to use my r5 db that hu tao tossed

[unkempt oriole]

No, no I'm just suggesting idea

[unkempt oriole]

Lmao 😂 I'm not judging just amused

[tired burrow]

wait a sec

didn’t lore have it that childe was proficient in every weapon except bow which is why he works with it

so really, we do have a hydro catalyst and sword and bow and poke arm and claymore

💪💪

[humble pecan]

I wanna see childe with a claymore now lmao

[azure kindle]

is this enough for xiaos plunge?

[quasi abyss]

wow

it seems like a lot

[modern raven]

[azure kindle]

really? i don’t really know why yanfei is there honestly😭

[upper sable]

not with food no

[urban plaza]

Pyro resonance and maybe TToDS

And maybe she'd tankfei- hence- shields

I do see the shield on him

[bleak river]

My hutao

[azure kindle]

it’s only crit food help-

[open shore]

I don't even see xiao himself lol

[open shore]

Yes take my r7 lololol

[bleak river]

Yanfei gives potential ttods for showcase, shield and pyro resonance

[bleak river]

I only have r2 😭

[native mulch]

for main dps thoma
would jadespear and 4pc crimson witch work:0??
if i focus on his burst

[urban plaza]

XD

[fair surge]

How can I make him better?

[unkempt oriole]

dps or what

[bleak river]

Crit is a bit yikes for dps

[unkempt oriole]

im slightly confused at your build

[bleak river]

Same

Has catch for burst dmg
Has no geo dmg
Has yikes crit

[unkempt oriole]

but i assume its a shield build since 40k hp

[granite laurel]

shielder/nuke zl?

[unkempt oriole]

not consistent enough to nuke

[fair surge]

I think I use him more for suport than dps, but I tryied both

[unkempt oriole]

oh basically shield support then

i think its pretty decent

[bleak river]

For shield all you care about is hp XD

[unkempt oriole]

though u can actually consider full totm if support

nice passive for 4set

[granite laurel]

I just noticed the triple crown

[unkempt oriole]

commitment

i doubled him too

though i play him as burst support

[fair surge]

Which stats should I prioritize?

[bleak river]

Hp

[unkempt oriole]

just hp

[fair surge]

Yeah, there were plenty of times that I needed to use him as the only phisical dps, so I did it

@bleak river @unkempt oriole thanks

[unkempt oriole]

welcome~~~

[bleak river]

I question "plenty of times"

[unkempt oriole]

ey his NA are very satisfying for phys dmg build

especially passive boosts the dmg

[bleak river]

And cpike

[still ocean]

kinda late to the party
this is my hybrid zhongli build for reference

[dapper marsh]

so the latest free 4 star bow is for who

[bleak river]

very usable by a lot of sub dps bows

[twin citrus]

hi

is there a good keqing build for 4 star artifcats

[gritty tusk]

C0 Kazuha National & C0 Arataki Itto Mono Geo | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/1SUQsVqtjKo

[still ocean]

dont mind too much about artifacts before ar45

just level up your chara+talent & weapon

random artif will just work

[bleak river]

stack atk pre ar45

[twin citrus]

whats the thing with ar45

[bleak river]

5* artifact guaranteed

for every run

[twin citrus]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[pallid plinth]

Is this a good Itto build?

[bleak river]

P good

[storm forge]

What is the best cryo Klee build?

[bleak river]

There is no cryo klee

[storm forge]

🙁

[storm forge]

But my friend says there is cryo and anemo klee

[modern raven]

Good.. And there is still big room to increase cdmg..

[pallid plinth]

How much atk% should my substats have in total?
Should I have any?

[bleak river]

Well crit is most important ofc
Atk is always good (unless they scale with sth else)

Aim for 2k atk min for dps

[open shore]

has anyone here built a shield/heal support yanfei c4?

[oblique pelican]

Mine's pure dps😋

[unkempt oriole]

Nice

Planning to make pure dps when I get homa

Or virtually any better polearm

[oblique pelican]

Yanfei on homa lesgo

[unkempt oriole]

Oh

I think I replied to the wrong thing lmao

Was reading zhongli

[unkempt oriole]

Bonk your clients with a polearm instead

Mafia style

[bleak river]

Hello, that would be me

[unkempt oriole]

Hello, it's me

I've been wondering if after all this time

[open shore]

what does your build look like?

[bleak river]

You'd like to meet

[unkempt oriole]

Nice

[bleak river]

Old, changed to er sands

[open shore]

you needed er even after 200?!

[bleak river]

Yep

220 is not even enough

To smoothly restart rotation without batterying

[open shore]

oh damn

what team do you use with that er?

[bleak river]

Tao

[open shore]

xq tau yan suc?

[bleak river]

Mmm

[open shore]

suc can't gen enough particles? damn yanfei

[bleak river]

Xq eq(e)
Yf eq CA
Suc e
Tao go brr

[open shore]

might give it a shot later. my yan's at 20 lol time to fight a colourful sentient rock

[bleak river]

Brown isn't that colourful

[open shore]

the brown gets infused with colour tho lol

[bleak river]

Fair

[open shore]

is prot-amber worth refining to 5 🤔

for heals

[oblique pelican]

Imo yes. There ain't any other catalysts worth crafting anyway

[bleak river]

Yet

[open shore]

yeah i've got 7 billets and don't use catalyst players so....

[bleak river]

I only have 2

:/

[grand kestrel]

I mean, ftp mappa mare is good since sac fragments is hard to come by

[bleak river]

Mappa mare is yikes

Only craft for copium

[grand kestrel]

EM book, good for Sucrose

[bleak river]

Sure

[grand kestrel]

also everything is copium when ftp unless you get lucky. XD

[oblique pelican]

How good is Phys fisch with the craftable bow?

The Phys one

[grand kestrel]

I now have a second R5 rust.

[open shore]

god my rust is still r1 since childe first banner x.x

[unkempt oriole]

Yea mappa is an okay selection

But the em mainstat it gives is definitely copium asf

Like literally drop it once u get sac frag

[bleak river]

Literally

[grand kestrel]

I mean it's only really useful on Sucrose, and Sac frags is far better for her.

[unkempt oriole]

I guess yanfei can somewhat make use of mappa

But then again there's many better choices

[grand kestrel]

maybe if we ever see some more anemo catalysts.

[unkempt oriole]

True

[grand kestrel]

or just anemo characters at all

😛

[unkempt oriole]

💀

With every introduction of anemo boi comes with a friend's death

[open shore]

my yanfei on alt making do because what is widsith and why won't it come

[unkempt oriole]

Save their friend, stop producing anemo male

[unkempt oriole]

Ay widsith is actually not bad

[open shore]

yeah but it won't come home lol

[unkempt oriole]

Oh I thought you're using it

[grand kestrel]

it's literally 50/50 male/female.

[unkempt oriole]

Actually same

[open shore]

along with stringless smh why they keep dodging

[grand kestrel]

I also have a second R5 stringless.

only R3 widsith tho

[open shore]

[unkempt oriole]

Honestly for me it's harder to get sac sword

[open shore]

why do i have r12 sac sword but no stringless and widsith on main tho

[bleak river]

I like dodoco on yanfei
But it was event weap

[unkempt oriole]

Wtf jayci can we switch luck

[open shore]

lmfao pls

[azure kindle]

is xiao + noelle + albedo + jean a good team

[modern raven]

yes

[azure kindle]

alrighty

[bleak river]

Ah yes budget zhongli

[modern raven]

did they meant melt klee or something?

[azure kindle]

im sorry im zhongli-less🥲

[bleak river]

It's fine
Her passive shield is nice

[modern raven]

in that case just run klee alongside a cryo enabler and anemo unit like sucrose

[rain sluice]

Is this good?

[bleak river]

no +0 artifact is good.

[open shore]

good for +0 but you gotta roll them to see if they realise their potential

[rain sluice]

Oh

My other feather

[bleak bluff]

What is aquila favonisu good for?

[bleak river]

As in who?

Bennett, jean

[open shore]

Physical keqing

Kaeya simping

[azure kindle]

only 9k difference 😔✋🏾

[modern raven]

[severe vine]

Uh hello

Is skyward sword good for kaeya?😬

[modern raven]

i'd say so

[severe vine]

Thanks

[open shore]

for hu tao.... i know cwof is generally regarded as superior to SR because it lowers the dmg from blossoms and from ult, but if I can't use sucrose with cwof but can with SR, does that make up for the vape bonus that cwof gives ?

[ocean ember]

Tbh, CW and SR are pretty equal

So you can use whichever has better substats or better quality overall

[open shore]

the're pretty similar, but SR set has 10+ crit rate over the cwof, which means I can stop leaning on rosaria as hard, and be able to use yanfei/sucrose for the vv and em buffs

but yanfei and sucrose won't really have personal damage whereas rosaria hits about 11k each pulse of her ult

ULGH life of a hu tao main

[modern raven]

yeah, hu tao is really high demand

[ocean ember]

I'd day go for SR

Yanfei isn't there for personal damage anyways, just as shield

If you have EM on Sucrose, which you should, she has a bit of damage but she's there for VV and EM share anyways

[modern raven]

if they're so similar, you'll get better reactions with sucrose and the bit extra EM she provides

[open shore]

yeah it's about 70 less em on the SR set because I figured I could steal from sucrose... but I think the difference from sucrose actually just only makes use the cwof 4pc 🤔 tho i'm kinda leaning towards sr right now just for the fact it will be so much easier to improve the artifacts hahaha so sick of cwof.....

maybe I'll test abyss with both team options when I raise tankfei a bit

will have to see if the vv shred and em share makes up for the dmg rosaria usually does

[ocean ember]

Tbf 11k is not much, and you'll usually be doing around at least 5k per swirl with Sucrose so

I also recommend Instructor's on Thoma which I guess it'd translate to Yanfei

That's another 120 EM, but you do have to end up double swirling

[open shore]

yeah it's not, but i guess it's some dmg in the background i don't think about? my sucrose is currently lvl 60+ with 828em and I have no idea what her swirls hit lol

would instructor's lower yanfei's shield tho? since thoma's is supposedly stronger than hers so can use less. I just have some rainbow items from misc farming... don't have any totm 💀

[modern raven]

well, don't overthink it and go try in the abyss

if both sets end up giving you the same stars, then it's all good

[open shore]

fair. i'm prob overthinking now because yanfei isn't built yet, so my brain has idle time instead of just hitting up the abyss lol

[modern raven]

mood

[open shore]

i'm too scared to bring a lvl 49 yanfei in there lol

[modern raven]

she'll be fine if it's just quickswap

[open shore]

Hmmm just tried, and while I may have had to retry cus of death, it does seem when I can get the rotation, that it's faster 🤔 and plus side, Yan can reapply pyro for swirl after getting extra vape DMG during hu tao cool down 🤔🤔🤔 might have to get used to the rotation tho lol since both Yan and suc are squishy

[modern raven]

you get used to work with such squishy characters

[open shore]

thanks for all the tips guys!

[modern raven]

np

Xiao is high investment too, but not at that extent from what i can tel

[open shore]

welp i think for me it's only cus I am just stuck at farming now and since I'm hating cwof and husk right now, sr and eosf is easy cus now i can finally use the shims i have lol

[modern raven]

with the newest sets, CW doesn't seem that necessary nowadays

maybe just on Diluc and Klee, but that's about it

[open shore]

that pyro dmg bonus is always nice tho

tho it's been a while since they've made a pyro dps 🤔 yoi was the last one iirc

[grand kestrel]

hopefully it'll be a while before they add anymore pyro at all, same with cryo and electro after Shinobu since she'll be the 9th, we need Anemo Geo and Hydro.

[open shore]

Pyro support maybe 🤔

Where the cryo men at

WHERE THE HYDRO POLEARM AND CLAYMORE!!!!

[modern raven]

anemo and geo would be neat

at one point every element will need to drive away from their stereotypes

like a crowd control character that isn't anemo

[fleet sparrow]

so do we know whats best yelans sub stats yet

[modern raven]

scroll up, people have shared their yelan builds here

[open shore]

in summary, crit hp er. personally would recommend focusing more on er if you want to be able to burst off cooldown and aren't using an er weapon

[ocean ember]

Really recommend levelling up Sucrose then, as swirl DMG scales solely off EM and level. From lvl 80 to 90 there's a 33% damage increase, for instance. As for Tankfei, not sure lasjdsalk. But yeah, for comfort 2p EoSF and 2p TotM is best.

[ocean ember]

Personally really want a CC hydro character, quite a bunch of possibilities imo

[ocean ember]

Add Yoi though, as SR is not particularly good on her. She can run 2p combinations though, like 2p ATK, 2p WT and 2p CW.

[bleak river]

Eosf is p much a must have (for me)

[bleak river]

Cuz her burst is a significant enough portion of her dmg

[ocean ember]

Yeah, and generally speaking her best rotations always start with her burst

[modern raven]

Yoi feels rushed to me

but if characters like these are experimentation, im okay with that

[bleak river]

experimentation should personally be kept to the beta

[open shore]

My yanfei is at 1/4/4 I don't think dmg is her issue lmfao

[open shore]

Tbh I don't think beta really gets all that worked out. If their beta could be trusted, we wouldn't have gotten broken characters like xingqiu and xiangling in the first place lmfao

[ocean ember]

He was talking about Yoi

[open shore]

MY BAD I def read the wrong reply. Apologies

it's friday, my brain is off from a whole week of shenanigans

[ocean ember]

Dw haha xD

[bleak river]

It's okay XD

[modern raven]

yoimiya was a very expensive experimentation

and since we don't get rebalance like, ever

[fleet knot]

Yae moment

[bleak river]

Yae moment

[fleet knot]

Zhongli moment

[modern raven]

At least zhongli came out better, Yae came out functional

[bleak river]

Zhongli got buffed so eh

[fleet knot]

Vortex vanquisher

[bleak river]

We don't talk about that vv

Or that entire weapon series

[unkempt oriole]

personally i dont think VortexVanquisher is that terrible

[idle granite]

its bad on Zhongli

seems to be good on Shenhe maybe

[bleak river]

Good sub in for CQ for shenhe

[idle granite]

can it be good on Xiao too?

but its funny that Homa is BiS for Zhongli

[bleak river]

Not for shieldbot

But ye

But then again
It's cd and hp
Both of which zl likes

[open shore]

his buff made him kinda broken tho lol having him decently built means you play a lot of this game on a whole different easier level LOL (at least in early game anyway)

what even was the exact buff? I just remember ppl complaining about no dmg (because he's supposed to shield) so they took away a lot of his split scaling???

[bleak river]

He still has split scaling
But some hp is converted into dmg

Buff was definitely after og albedo, but I don't rmb when

[idle granite]

they made it so when casting the shield it will drop a pillar

then they made the shield stronger and did some increased damage

[open shore]

i think his original split scaling was like albedo's where skill and ult were based entirely off two different stats, but then they converted hp to dmg and given how much hp he has a shielder, he ends up putting up more dmg too?

[bleak river]

Wait srsly?
He didn't have a pillar?

Or only on his tap e

[idle granite]

only tap e would drop a pillar

[bleak river]

Ah

[open shore]

oh, yeah that's def a qol buff, though iirc, his tap doesn't have a very long cd?

[bleak river]

Mhmm

[open shore]

could drop it, do some set ups and then shield up for peepee dmg spree

[bleak river]

Well ye, but shield beforehand is gonna increase setup dmg

By virtue of res shred

[open shore]

for sure

his hold e cd is pain lmfao

[modern raven]

what were the stats for vortex fork?

[open shore]

isn't vortex an atk stat stick?

[idle granite]

its like a big atk% stick

[open shore]

which is funny for zhongli

[bleak river]

Gigantic atk statstick

[open shore]

because having vortex on him kinda nerfs his support lol

[modern raven]

well, if you have enough HP, i guess it wouldn't hurt ig(???)

[open shore]

from what i know, his shield is usually pretty chonky already, so an atk stick shouldn't hurt it too much?? esp in overworld

[bleak river]

And the rest of the series is also ass
Memory of dust maybe on ng (crystallise shields) and yanfei (c4)
Vv on shenhe
Unforged as a shittier wgs

[idle granite]

also note the weapon was made before the buff

[modern raven]

Memory of dust feels only for Ningguang

unless we get another geo catalyst

it's like way too specific

[bleak river]

Well yanfei c4 also gives shield

[idle granite]

we are missing a “geo” bow, and an “electro” claymore

[open shore]

yes, so it buffed his atk scaling for his giant meatball, but after the hp buff, i think the vortex is just awful despite the aesthetic

[open shore]

electro dps razor

[modern raven]

white tassell better fits his aesthetic

for some reason

[bleak river]

You aren't gonna see him using the weapon anyway

[modern raven]

i use it

[idle granite]

its in quotes since they look like those elements but don’t buff them

[open shore]

lol just for pics in overworld of his kicking it lol

[bleak river]

Lmao

[open shore]

mhy give me a reason to not hate painslasher give me the users!

[idle granite]

painslasher isn’t that bad on Diluc with a hydro support

its not like the bell lol

[bleak river]

Painslasher is usable on diluc and maybe beidou if you're coping

[modern raven]

i used it for a while on sayu

[idle granite]

the bell is a waste of storage

[open shore]

i got wgs before any 5* character so I have had zero need for painslasher lol

[bleak river]

Sayu as well
(Mostly after c6)

Bell only takes up one space

[modern raven]

Looks like if it was originally made for xiao to me(?)

[idle granite]

like storage space like with its game files and coding lmao

[bleak river]

…ah

[open shore]

it's a really pretty claymore as a concept, ngl

[bleak river]

Well
We shall wait for hydro claymore?

[open shore]

but the playability

[modern raven]

yes, it's neat

Same as Aquila, it's so sick

[idle granite]

the bell should be able to time freeze enemies

[open shore]

i'm more excited for hydro polearm because they haven't really missed with their polearm users so far lol

[modern raven]

if you repurpose the code for freeze but without the ice texture, that'll be pretty cool

literally time freeze

🥁

[idle granite]

and they already did that in Ei’s second story quest

[open shore]

maybe a future sword physical dps will show up lol

[modern raven]

Sword Eula

[open shore]

exactly

[idle granite]

catalyst Eula

[modern raven]

The thing about physical that it's sadly locked to cryo and electro

[bleak river]

Uhhh…

[modern raven]

Heizou???

[idle granite]

sad Xinyan noises

[open shore]

(i def had a genshin oc with this skill)

[modern raven]

fists = physical

[bleak river]

Not necessarily, but being other element means you need another slot for sc

[modern raven]

i mean, Xinyan exists, but i mean it's more convenient

otherwise you're locked to 2 elements mandatorily

[open shore]

they did my girl xinyan dirty

[bleak river]

Xinyan exists
Cpike zl and xl also…exist

[modern raven]

artists get the shorter end of the stick

[idle granite]

well for cspike that is saying every sword user because of proto rancour

[modern raven]

At least Yunjin is moral support

[open shore]

I'm hoping because of yelan's kit, they'll have more characters that scale ENTIRELY on def or hp or em

[bleak river]

Me, an artist:

[open shore]

like it will suck for farming, but kinda cool to mix it up

[modern raven]

Every artists deserves a Yunjin

[bleak river]

I doubt it, split scaling is how you make chars not so alike

But we haven't had a pure def scaling (other than albedo e)

[modern raven]

split scalling like Zhongli is the way to go

[open shore]

tired of building atk, building itto and in part albedo was so fun just to change how my brain works with artifact rolls

[modern raven]

1 "useless stat" = stronk

[open shore]

yes. or like c2 albedo, but without the need for cons lol

[bleak river]

Ayato has some hp conversion
Yae……has a pathetic em conversion

[modern raven]

Same. Building Noelle was so easy because of the Def% rolls

[open shore]

i.... am still holding out hope that that weird em passive is due to dendro reactions lol

copium

[modern raven]

Yae should have scalled off of er%(?) her burst is kinda expensive

[bleak river]

||Intensify scales with em :)||

[open shore]

the way i get angry when husk drops good atk sands instead of def sands is such a trip

[idle granite]

I kind of like how Raiden has a triple scaling with ER, Attack, and Electro Damage

[modern raven]

Well, er = electro damage

[bleak river]

Well ye triple scaling
But main scaling is er, cuz it benefits electro

And also atk if EL

[open shore]

i learn by doing, so trying to read all those leaks I'm just..... no thanks i'll just wait

[modern raven]

atk is just obvious, but it's mainly around er

you can have an atk goblet and not miss much

[open shore]

yeah anyone who doesn't purely scale on atk has an interesting kit

[modern raven]

okay, what about
hp = some % of cr damage?

[open shore]

galaxy brain

i wouldn't be surprised

[idle granite]

Jade Cutter kind of has that with converting HP to attack

[bleak river]

Well of the geo dps units we have so far
Itto and noelle convert def into atk
Ng is just atk

[open shore]

it's kinda interesting how mhy releases characters with newer kits but don't powercreep much

[modern raven]

yes, but imagine crit rate or damage instead

[bleak river]

I don't want powercreep

[open shore]

exactly

[idle granite]

its has a big ass crit rate mainstat on it lol

[open shore]

so when they have new kits, it's cool

[modern raven]

Well, even then having 2 stronk alike dps is desirable for abyss

[bleak river]

Powercreep I'd say just lowers incentive to pull for reruns

[open shore]

like raiden changed the game, but it wasn't a power creep, just a completely different playstyle from before

[idle granite]

just pitiful though like Miko’s kit happens

[modern raven]

I'd consider Raiden my best pull to this day

[open shore]

miko pls x.x

[modern raven]

Ayaka, kokomi, Zhongli, but Raiden man

[idle granite]

I liked Eula, Raiden, and Ayaka

[modern raven]

she's just so fucking hot cool

[idle granite]

Kazuha is so so

[open shore]

i'd like to see the dendro archon change the way the game is played like raiden did

like venti was busted for cc, johnlee for shield, raiden for er

[idle granite]

its the hooters sword

[bleak river]

Kazu was my best pull
Followed by koko

[modern raven]

Archons could be those game changers indeed

Zhongli with hp
Raiden with er

Dendro with em% ig?

[bleak river]

Venti with…em? Or cc

[modern raven]

i imagine we'll get a new EM set for her

[idle granite]

anemo units kind of scale with em

[open shore]

i don't even want to speculate. i want to be surprised. like i was surprised with kazuha lol

[modern raven]

well yeah, but so does dendro

[open shore]

didn't even pull him for meta, his skill was just fun

[idle granite]

same

[bleak river]

Dendro does hmmm

I doubt they'd do em%

That'd be kinda very broken

[open shore]

i think it would've been cc, since the mobs in mond are mostly smallish. poor archon got nerfed in ina lol so fat f*cks in that country lol

[idle granite]

also there will probably be a thing in dendro domains that will harm you if you use pyro since that is so easy to set the place ablaze and watch all the dendro stuff squirm

[bleak river]

And it isn't even usa XD

[open shore]

BRUH I'M GOING TO GET RETRIBUTION FOR ALL THE TIMES I JUST WATCHED DENDRO SLIMES BURN TO DEATH

[bleak river]

I can't wait to kill everything with burn

[modern raven]

well, if it'st em what would it be for dendro?

Zhongli got his artifact set

and Ei

[bleak river]

ZL has which arti set

[modern raven]

elemental damage bonus or something?

[bleak river]

Totm or ap?

[modern raven]

tenacity

[idle granite]

milileth

[bleak river]

Makes sense

[idle granite]

I used 2 milileth and 2 no on my zhongli

[bleak river]

Dendro samachurls getting a buff tho…

chills

[idle granite]

I use klee on those pieces of crap

[modern raven]

i'ts his set but work with fish too

[modern raven]

those mfs

[open shore]

i have been avoiding killing churls outside of comms and abyss since 2.6, don't make me go on a murder spree

[modern raven]

i hate that pyro is the only way to destroy their vines

[bleak river]

I always use kazu when I'm exploring and killing

Vines? No problem!
Just suck them and kill them

[bleak river]

Both fishes

[open shore]

WHY DO THE VINES STACK THO DSKJFHDSJFHS

[idle granite]

I used Ayaka/Eula with Raiden and that usually kills them when exploring

[open shore]

me. i don't rmbr how to fight those things without kazu

[bleak river]

I usually just run ayaka freeze in overworld

Sometimes I switch to tao

But yes
One element dmg in overworld
I'm very screwed if I get cryo immune enemies

[modern raven]

i remember a meme that went "hyv developers figuring out what the heck happens when you electrocute a plant"

[idle granite]

those cryo slimes suck

[modern raven]

https://tenor.com/view/ibai-yo-explicando-meme-gif-18360117

[bleak river]

But I got tao and rational for them

[idle granite]

maybe stun them

like when you taser someone

[bleak river]

Well clearly they said no to that

[modern raven]

what does intensified do again?

i forgor

[bleak river]

Well
Stunning would make you do more dmg

[bleak river]

More dmg

That's it.

[open shore]

i think it buffs electro or dendro dmg based on which triggered the reaction

[modern raven]

lettuce + lighting = damage??

[bleak river]

End result is more dmg

[open shore]

my biggest fear with sumeru release is that dendro will release but the meta is still vapemelt or random hypercarry teams

[bleak river]

Can't wait for meltburn

And I'm not even joking

[idle granite]

I forget leaks can be talked here, every other Genshin server I am on sends you to the guillotine if you talk about leaks

[bleak river]

Well the rule is leaks=spoiler

[modern raven]

well also speculation/theorizing =/= leaks

[bleak river]

≠

^ if you wanna copy paste

[modern raven]

[idle granite]

yes and no, if the speculation exactly line up to the leaks is a whole other ball of wax

[modern raven]

i think pyro came here to stay, dendro + pyro could be a new stronk meta

[bleak river]

It's either meltburn or intensigrown in my mind atm

Cryo and dendro + pyro
Electrocharged + dendro

[idle granite]

prob be like that domain thing in a situation that if you use pryo against dendro you will get zapped or corroded

[modern raven]

that'll be bs

[open shore]

or they'll put one of those nodes that applies dendro to your party, and the enemies are all pyro lol

[bleak river]

Ouch

[idle granite]

yep

[bleak river]

Kokomi save me

[open shore]

jean cleanse pls

[idle granite]

more like Qiqi save me

[open shore]

goodbye bleed, hello burning

[bleak river]

Ayaka kill everything pls

[modern raven]

[bleak river]

Bleed is fine tbh

(says me as I run healer on both teams)

[open shore]

yeah after getting used to bleed, it's okay

[idle granite]

only time bleed is ass is when they tie it to kills and they drop a bunch of cicin mages

[bleak river]

Burning tho
It's so fkin scary

[open shore]

it was just shocking when introduced cus zhongli havers had to rethink their strats lol

[bleak river]

You mean those with heavy zhongli reliance

[open shore]

burning is horrifying, like I don't always watch my hp but then i'm suddening in the red like wtf

[bleak river]

Ye burning ticks so fast

Only works when both elements are active at the same time iirc

Like ec

[open shore]

well obviously lol, ppl who weren't depending on him for survival anyway were fine after learning attack patterns

the most annoying thing about those dogs is not their bleed, but the way they pull back and you can't hit them so you waste time running around if you are not a bow or catalyst user

or waste a skill/ult when they do that

[bleak river]

Or if you don't use freeze

Or your freeze uptime is trash
looking at you, mona

[open shore]

at least when i'm affected with that, I notice it cus i'm staggered... burning is just the silent killer lol

[bleak river]

True

But I'd say stagger is worse

Cuz lowers dps

[modern raven]

the bigger doggos are trash, their attack pattern is bs

[bleak river]

Ye and I saw them doing this new move in abyss that I've never seen before