🔨・build-discussion

[ebon ginkgo]

it wouldnt be an issue if:
a) 12-2-2 didnt have all three types so i wasnt constantly losing energy, getting extended cooldowns, randomly taking 10k damage, and getting staggered from overloaded and electro charged every three seconds
b) if the hydro mfs STOPPED MOVING

[daring onyx]

I have no use for Xiao 😞

Do I

[ocean ember]

Unless you need another dps, imo no

Like, you pull for him if you like him

But be aware he's rather strict for his teammate options

[short void]

Same I want kazuha and itto but recently got c1 ayaka (at 1 pity did 1 10 pull)

[ocean ember]

And his best team is all 5*s

[daring onyx]

Idrk what I need/want my current setups a mess

What is his best team? Im curious

[ocean ember]

Jean, Albedo and Zhongli

His absolute best involves Jean C4 and Albedo C4, but it's not really required

Other teams can be fine, and work decently too, but just aren't as good generally speaking

[daring onyx]

Why's c4 always the good one oml

[ocean ember]

He requires an anemo battery (usually Jean, but C1 Sucrose and/or Sac Frags is second best), and good buffers/off-field damage unit that doesn't requite auto attacks, and one should really be a healer or a good shield

[unkempt oriole]

its not always the best, just a coincidence

[ocean ember]

Aasjhdka idk, but Albedo's is plunge damage bonus and Jean's is anemo shred

But yeah, it's in this specific case

[daring onyx]

My poor soul I hate myself

[unkempt oriole]

for instance iirc, albedo's best personal cons is c2 iirc

[ocean ember]

Yeah, same as Kazuha's

Raiden's C3

[daring onyx]

What is iirc

[ocean ember]

Hu Tao probably C1, but I don't remember her other cons alsdjla and tbh they're barely ever talked about

[unkempt oriole]

if i recall correctly (iirc)

[daring onyx]

Bye bye Ayato to my list of dream 5*

[unkempt oriole]

i think raiden's most op cons is c2?

[grand kestrel]

yep

[unkempt oriole]

but yea i get c3 is like along the way

since ignore def, why not boost the lvl altogether

[ocean ember]

Btw, you don't need the cons of most characters, I myself have only cons of standard ones lmao, but yeah

[grand kestrel]

I mean it's not going to kill you, but it's not the best.

[ocean ember]

Yeah, I guess C2 would have higher priority than C3

[grand kestrel]

most 4 stars with a few cons are at least as good as most c0 5 stars too

[daring onyx]

Yeah but I don't think I need Ayato anyways I just think he's hot 😞😞 same with Xiao I'm just a down bad simp

[unkempt oriole]

C6 xingqiu stares menacingly

[grand kestrel]

technically you don't -need- any characters, it's a video game. XD

[daring onyx]

WHAT OS C6 XINGQIU?

I have him c5 😟😟😟

[unkempt oriole]

c6 is sword goes pew pew

[daring onyx]

What

[grand kestrel]

4 stars I do not have at c6

[unkempt oriole]

more dmg and more energy

[daring onyx]

Slay can't wait for him to come home ig

I wanna say rq
Why is it national team when Bennett not from liyue ..😭☹️😞

[grand kestrel]

honestly I don't even bother with the teams, I have no clue what the names mean. 😛

[daring onyx]

SLAYYY

Urge to build the starter team

[grand kestrel]

I have an urge to exploit the masses for fun and profit.

[severe vine]

is this good for my ningguang?

or this one?

[river ore]

@severe vine has leveled up to LEVEL 8

[bleak river]

Again, level them before asking

[severe vine]

ok sorry

this???

[bleak river]

Yep looks nice

[unkempt oriole]

no worries

its just

that there's no point asking if u leveled it and it turned out ugly

[severe vine]

Ok thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[tender agate]

if i use xinyan and zhongli's shields, which breaks first?

i want to use xinyan's shield for phys bonus

[tender agate]

i mean, if i use their skils at the same time

[mystic shuttle]

Bagus pakai yang mana bang buat dedek klee 🤔🤔🤔

[signal tundra]

How can I get Mona to apply hydro efficiently for Ayaka? When I try to run the two I never have constant freeze going on

[bleak river]

Mona hydro application is extremely short, and is p much mostly for Ayaka's burst

[wispy thunder]

Bawah

[signal tundra]

Ah! Makes sense for burst only

[unkempt oriole]

Depends on the duration

Idk how long is xinyans

But zhongli is 12sec iirc

[humble pecan]

Xinyan's shield lasts 12 seconds, Zhongli's lasts 20 seconds

afaik

[modern raven]

Depends on what is your overall stat...

[urban plaza]

Yee ZL's is 20s

[tender agate]

i meant when character takes dmg

[bleak river]

Xinyan prob cuz her shield is much weaker

[grand kestrel]

yes, but Xinyan shield is not exclusively protection, especially with C2

Xinyan suffers from jack syndrome, she's got a few things she can do, but nothing she's really good at.

[bleak river]

That's called jack syndrome?
What'd jack ever do to you

[grand kestrel]

as in jack of all trades, master of none.

he jacked me around a few times.

[bleak river]

Ic

[grand kestrel]

he also jacked up a few projects.

[bleak river]

Just that she's a jack of few trades and a master of none

[unkempt oriole]

Oh so what I remember was CD

[unkempt oriole]

Shet

[grand kestrel]

well it doesn't really matter if she's a jack of all trades, just that she's got things she can do but isn't really good at any of them.

[unkempt oriole]

But she is kinda great for starters though

[bleak river]

Ye

[grand kestrel]

I mean she's not bad, she's just not great at anything

[unkempt oriole]

True

[grand kestrel]

she's good at filling roles you're missing

until you get someone better suited to it

if you don't have Xiangling or Thoma, she's a copium pyro applier, if you need a little more shield or a GS in your party, she can do that. If you just need a fourth member to be pyro, she's not the worst possible choice depending on the options available to you.

[bleak river]

Also her shield self applies pyro just incase Bennett is on the other half and you wanna melt w kazu

[modern raven]

Which build is better for my itto? Im quite confuse...

[urban plaza]

That sounds very wrong

[grand kestrel]

indubitably.

[urban plaza]

QQ

[bleak river]

Use genshin optimizer

[modern raven]

Better goblet DEF or geo dmg for itto?

[bleak river]

Geo is gonna be better almost every time afaik

[modern raven]

Okay...

[ocean ember]

I struggled so much last night on my side account lmao. Look at that last floor first half lmaoo, at least it worked. Had to retry 12-1 and 12-3 so many times (it was frustrating but at the same time I had fun lol).

Meanwhile, on my main I don't think I had to retry any chamber. I guess my Ayaka needs more work on my side huh.

[gilded dock]

wrong order pains me

[ocean ember]

Wrong order?

[gilded dock]

first image, 12-1 is flipped

[ocean ember]

Ah lmao

It's possible to do with Tao on first half but I just struggled too much on that account

Last team of 12-3 is also different

So it was a different combination each chamber

[gilded dock]

tazecrose first half is such a blessing

[ocean ember]

Hmm, might actually try that later. I have Beidou built, would have XQ free, issue is I don't have Fischl built on that account lmao. And honestly my Sucrose could use work still, she's level 90 and has 4p VV, but haven't properly farmed VV so barely any EM main stat piece (I believe her only EM mainstat is off piece lmao)

[gilded dock]

my last two runs were
Sucrose Beidou Fischl Xingqiu
Ayaka Zhongli Diona Kazuha
and I didn't need to redo shit

[ocean ember]

Oh that second half looks interesting

Tbh I also didn't have to redo anything on my main account

But apparently my side account needs more work, since I tried almost the exact same teams but was so much harder lmao

[gilded dock]

kokomi instead of kazuha / zhongli doesn't work nearly as well somehow

and 55% Res shred is already enough

and kazoo can succ lectors close enough

[urban plaza]

Can this be deleted^

[limpid urchin]

<@&874036938351448094>

[ocean ember]

Oh that's interesting alkjdsal

Mostly thinking about the pyro lector/herald on 12-2-2

Funnily enough, I think 12-2 is the chamber I struggle with the least lmao. 12-1 and 12-3 (12-3 mostly because in my regular Hu Tao team, with only XQ as hydro, 12-3-1 was slower than I needed) were painful on my side.

[humble pecan]

I'm ready for Yelan except for the artifact levels 😏

[ocean ember]

I'm assuming they're not +0 but I always recommend not settling on artefacts until you level them

Like, I've this happen, but I've had artefacts that seem to have great potential but end up rolling horribly xD

And I've seen people state they're done with farming when they get a set of artefacts at +0 that seem potentially good, but end up rolling bad

[ocean ember]

The build? Just realised that it has a 2p TotM so that's not good (it's the only thing that could be rated with that SS anyways)

Judging from the stats we can see, ATK is probs low
*Just realised it's for Yelan so this doesn't matter lmao
If anything, it'd be getting a 5* sands

Oh, they deleted their messages alskjdsla

[wintry ore]

R u saying me?

[ocean ember]

Well, you came in and said "rate it", and the only build available was that Childe's

[wintry ore]

I thought people might get toxic thats y i deleted it

It have 2002 atk

[ocean ember]

Well, this channel is specifically about discussing builds so it's normal to ask about a build xD

And you can't know that tbh

That Childe isn't yours

[wintry ore]

Nipe

Nope

[wintry ore]

I was bamboozled in another server

[ocean ember]

Ah, oop xD

[ocean ember]

That's way too much CR

ER might be a bit too low too, but otherwise seems fine. EM might be a bit high too but yeah

Assuming you do have Geo goblet as well though

[wintry ore]

Yes

[wintry ore]

Bad roll

[ocean ember]

Idk if you're running a CR circlet, but if you do, def change it to a CDMG imo, though getting a couple more CR sub rolls would be fine in that case

[ocean ember]

Happens xD

[wintry ore]

I got cd circlet

[ocean ember]

I'm assuming PJC and a tonne of CR rolls then but yeah lmao

Maybe replacing an artefact with CR with one with CDMG but it's easier said than done lmao

[wintry ore]

Its actually 94 cr but im standing in his burst😂

I believe one of his c's give 10% cr if u stand in it

[ocean ember]

Ohhh makes sense lmao

I'd still lean to lower his CR a tiny bit and getting a bit more CDMG if possible, but otherwise it's pretty good imo

[wintry ore]

Artifacts r so hard to max man i got so many characters to improve

[river ore]

@wintry ore has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[ocean ember]

Yeah, hence it's easier said than done xD

[wintry ore]

Well my eula is at 70 194

[ocean ember]

Btw I meant this about stuff like what I said about the CR and CDMG alksjdal just in case

[ocean ember]

But that seems pretty good!

[wintry ore]

Which ar u at?

[ocean ember]

57

[wintry ore]

Sameee

[ocean ember]

Nice aljdalk

Why are you on the WL7 role though?

[wintry ore]

What...

[ocean ember]

On this server

It's why your name is pink (? idr the exact name colour)

[wintry ore]

Lemme see

[ocean ember]

It looks more like pink to me tbh aslkdjal but a mix between the two I guess

[wintry ore]

Whats "aslkdjal"

Yh

[ocean ember]

Keysmash, a bad habit of mine ig

[wintry ore]

Its ok

[modern raven]

Which better for raiden? How much total ATK that usually raiden should have?

[ocean ember]

Your attack is looking good

And not sure, I'd test them

Second one has higher ER which is good for EL

But crit is better on the first one

[modern raven]

Yeah...

[visual osprey]

for these questions should probably use optimizer

but looking at thos numbers ur probably pretty close to optimal stat distribution already

heres mine for comparisin, very similar but i hav higher er and atk

grasscutter makes raiden even more ER hungry bcos with it and 4esf ER turns into both extra elem% as well as atk

(optimizer suggests atk% goblet bcos 4esf already provides 70% elem%)

[modern raven]

Okay... I will try for goblet atk

[visual osprey]

yeah raiden is one of few where atk% goblet can make sense

between 4esf, her own E buff, and innate ER conversion, she gets a huge amount of elem% bonus

with grasscutter giving a ton of extra ER she gets more bonus than xiao and people exaggerate how much elem% xiao gets

[modern raven]

this is use Electro Goblet

this is using ATK goblet...

yes... the dmg more high using ATK goblet...

but my build still lack CRTRT if using ATK goblet..

[visual osprey]

if u hav character and artifacts in optimizer just let it run and pick the best one for u

[fleet knot]

if the average damage is higher, the average damage is higher

thats just math, baby

[modern raven]

Yeah its correct..

[unkempt oriole]

the crit damage still based off att

so its almost always going to be better (to have higher attack)

[mighty coral]

Do you guys think I have too much crit rate and can switch from crit rate circlet to crit dmg?

[ocean ember]

That's not too much CR

That's pretty good, could be even higher but that works well already

[bleak river]

Enough cr, now just the cd

[verbal harbor]

does anyone know how to build dps kazuha?

[gritty tusk]

Spiral Abyss 2.6 Floor 12 - 9⭐| C2 Mona International Comp & Melt C0 Diluc Kaeya Combo Team
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQMP8eNTFDY&t

[wheat solstice]

hello

which flower is better

[bleak river]

2nd one

[upper sable]

like any other dps cr cd attack

[verbal harbor]

okk thank you

[wheat solstice]

but then my crit rate would drop to 35%

my artifacts are wonky

[bleak river]

Do you have a cr circ?

Otherwise the first would be slightly better

[wheat solstice]

i have crit dmg

im tryna get a good cr circlet

but farming is a monstrosity

[bleak river]

Ah then stick with the first one for now

[wheat solstice]

tyyy

[fleet knot]

genshin optimizer moment

a tool made to answer exactly those questions

[bleak river]

Indeed

[tame abyss]

i was wondering

should i try pull ayaka

i already have ganyu

[urban plaza]

Depends on if you want/need/like her

I know people who use ganyu for melt and ayaka for freeze

She is one of the top DPS-es in game

[tame abyss]

well

[urban plaza]

And has a rather nice cryo application too

[tame abyss]

i have mona sucrose and diona

i have a melt ganyu build

[urban plaza]

You can run the tweaked Morgana version if you want

If needed, she can be your freeze dps

[tame abyss]

tweaked morgana?

[urban plaza]

But I'd only recommend getting her if you want/need and like her

[urban plaza]

Ganyu (replaced by Ayaka)
Venti (replaced by Sucrose)
Mona and Diona

[tame abyss]

oh so the budget morgana

i'll try pull ayaka

[urban plaza]

Yee

[tame abyss]

i have some blizzard pieces that can work with her

[urban plaza]

Personally I'm skipping Ayaka because I'm not that interested in her
I'm gonna get Ganyu (and use her for freeze) on the next rerun
I'm saving for Kazuha

[tame abyss]

ganyu is very boring to play

but shes rlly good

[urban plaza]

Yee I've heard that

But I won't be reliant on her to be my sole dps

So I'm not bothered

Plus Morgana relies low on charged shots

[tame abyss]

yeah that makes sense

[urban plaza]

And I've realllly wanted her

[tame abyss]

do you have amos?

[urban plaza]

I have plenty other dps-es and I keep switching

[urban plaza]

Nope

She'll have to run prototype

I wish I had Amos, but :(

[tame abyss]

i made a stupid decision on my alt

and got xiao guaranteed when i got amos and when ganyu was around the corner

[urban plaza]

Ohh

🤯

[lime oar]

i have r5 prototype
but im suck at aiming

[urban plaza]

I got Xiao (have PJWS)

I got Mona 29 pity on ZL banner
Then ZL 76
Then lost to Qiqi 78 on Ganyu banner

Blew all my savings off on these

Like fate savings

Not irl money

[tame abyss]

what teams do you use for the abyss

[urban plaza]

Uh tbh I haven't done my 12 since the last 3 patches

@unkempt oriole helps me do them

But I have like 14-ish built chars so I have the luxury of playing around with teams

I can show you my F12 teams if you want

I just realised that it was a general question and not aimed at me ;-;

[bleak river]

I used rational and ayaka freeze

[tame abyss]

yeah if thats cool with you

[urban plaza]

This was my F12

[tame abyss]

oh wow

i use the same 1st half but instead of venti i use jean for the sunfire

abyss 12 looks pretty hard even if you have fully built teams

i can only get to f11 atm

my second team is lacking built supports

and cc

[urban plaza]

Tbh I can not do F12
My account only gets it because of Seraph

Also, the abyss would change in 2.7, so you might not require CC

[grand kestrel]

you will always require CC

[modern raven]

Jane can be useful to push the abyss monster, so it can be near stack one each other..

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 5

[lime oar]

i got 9 star
30 times try

[modern raven]

Just slowly learn the game mechanics alao..

[bleak river]

12 star floor 12?

[urban plaza]

People are way too poggers

[humble pecan]

You must be so good that you found 12-4 if you 12 starred it

[lime oar]

i hate the pyro lector

my whole team almost dying each time they entering shied mode

[modern raven]

You can dodge it.. It will explode when entering shield mode..

[pseudo prawn]

Just unlocked Favonius Sword.

My current swords and their users:
Lvl70 R2 Lion's Roar - Unassigned
Lvl70 Cinnabar Spindle - Unassigned
Lvl70 Anemona Kageuchi - Kaeya
Lvl70 R3 Sac Sword - Xingqiu
Lvl70 R2 The Flute - Jean
Lvl60 Skyward Blade - Bennet
Lvl60 R3 Prototype Rancour - Traveler

Who should I give the Fav Sword to? Should I just keep my current assignments?

[modern raven]

Do you have ayaka or ER build rosaria?

[lime oar]

I've tried with burst animation

[urban plaza]

Neither

I have Kaeya🤯

[lime oar]

it's annoying when they start throwing some meteor

and you'll get inflicted by some effect

[modern raven]

Destroy the firepillar i think.. Using xingqiu will be effectife

[lime oar]

i know, I've nailed it after few time trying

[urban plaza]

My Rosaria is C0 and idk I wanna/am gonna build her

[modern raven]

What time remaining when clear the first half for chamber 2 and 3?

[urban plaza]

ask @unkempt oriole
He did my Abyss😅

F12

[modern raven]

Chamber 2 and 3 2nd half you can try zhongli diona kaeya and chongyun..

[lime oar]

mine is like this

[urban plaza]

Currently (up there) chongyun and Kaeya shared artefacts

I have 2 blizz for him, and need 2 NO for him

But I can give him Glads

[lime oar]

you'll need freeze team in phase 2

[unkempt oriole]

Hi

[urban plaza]

SERAPH HELLO

[unkempt oriole]

But yea im the one convincing kiris bag has what it takes to pass f12

[urban plaza]

🤯

My playstyle is bad enough to get me killed though XD

So it is mostly Seraph that helps me get those stars

[unkempt oriole]

Honestly our issues (ours cuz I have it too) for this f12 is we don't have enough built cryo

Hydro lector is ass

[lime oar]

you can try bringing rosaria/chongyun

[unkempt oriole]

I knew

As mentioned

Not built enough

[lime oar]

just build her energy recharge for spammming burst

[unkempt oriole]

I do that

My acc is cy unbuilt

[lime oar]

but use zhongli shield first

[unkempt oriole]

Kiris is either kaeya/cy needs artis

Cuz they shared artis

[modern raven]

It seems it need grind for more art again...

[urban plaza]

I can ready chongus if needed

[lime oar]

true

[urban plaza]

I'll need to get NO/Glad pieces
Doable if needed

[unkempt oriole]

Honestly not really complaining about abyss rn

[urban plaza]

I am kinda tired of the no-EM-VV farming

[unkempt oriole]

It's not hard fr

[unkempt oriole]

Relatable

[lime oar]

easiest way is bringing chongyun
cause he can infuse your atk with cryo

[unkempt oriole]

True but his down time is deadly too

[lime oar]

im using lv 20 chongyun for floor 10-3 phase 1 lol

[lime oar]

in my sec account

[modern raven]

Three abyss on 2nd chamber 2nd phase before they shielded, they can be push backward toward each other using zhongli E.S or jane E.S

Only hydro abyss that very mobile..

[unkempt oriole]

Jean es is good

[modern raven]

I prefer to reduce to attack the electro abyss first, because if i get hurt by one of his skill, my E.B recharge time is reduced..

[lime oar]

their combo is annoying

[modern raven]

But if you manage to stack fire and electro abyss together, the damage area from chongyun, kaeya and diona can manage to reduce their health..

[lime oar]

struck by lector thunder
and then got hit by meteor pyro

overload

[modern raven]

Yes..if you use no sholed, you need to know the timing of the skill sequence from the abyss..

[lime oar]

my jonli shield always shattered with this

48k hp
is that not enough?

[modern raven]

But you have zhongli shiled.. It should be enough to manage the damage..

[lime oar]

as for me
im locking the pyro first

[unkempt oriole]

No amount of shield is enough to tank their dmg non stop

[modern raven]

Yes..if you dont bring hydro char you can target pyro abyss.. Because the shield need more time to destroy without hydro ele

[unkempt oriole]

U can't just stand still and spam skill with shield on

[modern raven]

Yes.. But it will gove you time to unleash the E.B or E.S near the abyss before you dodge it...

[lime oar]

true

[modern raven]

I try no shield..using double healer..

[lime oar]

that's why im bringing ayaka ayato ganyu

[unkempt oriole]

A very premium cryo battery

[lime oar]

as for this
maybe
xiao, zhongli, kokomi, rosaria/chongyun

[lime oar]

building those 4 is such a pain

[modern raven]

This can do... Xiao and cyrochar need decent ER also to maintain consistent E.B..

[modern raven]

🥲 🥲 🥲

[unkempt oriole]

Well at the very least ayaka and ganyu is definitely worth it

U will see those 2 consistently on abyss ladder

[lime oar]

imagine

2 geo, 2 milelith
4 offering
4 blizzard

those domain is cursed

[modern raven]

Yeah... I think mihoyo design the abyss stage, so plauer can utilize the 5star char on the banner..

[unkempt oriole]

Definitely

[lime oar]

next patch is full of cryo enemy

lol lol

[modern raven]

Hahahah... My ayaka use 2 nob, 2 shime... Dont habe any blizz..

[lime oar]

marketing

[unkempt oriole]

Selling klee soon (prolly

[lime oar]

I'm rebuilding her rn

2 glad 2 blizzard

[exotic hinge]

Hey guys help me suggest for my geo Lumine

I was planning for burst dps traveller so I thought I'd stay with HoD or invest the PS sword, but since I'm runnin on mono geo team, might as well go with favonius??

My team comp is currently Zhongli, Lumine, Ningguang, and Noelle

[limpid urchin]

should i triple crown Hu tao?

[silk nest]

yes

if you want to

[slow compass]

What set should I build her for healing support? And main stats fkr sands/gobpet/ciirclet?

[urban plaza]

Who is she?

[slow compass]

Jean

[urban plaza]

Her healing scales off ATK

[slow compass]

What about the artifact sets for Jean?

[urban plaza]

But usually Jean is built as sub dps

There are 2 types of builds
the anemo and physical

Anemo is 4 VV

Phys is 4PL

SubDPS build though

[native mulch]

how much should main dps kaeya be doing with his normal atk, skill, and burst:'>??

if he's build as a hybrid;o;

[ocean ember]

Jean depends a bit. There are two builds for her: subdps or full support. Subdps imo still heals enough and is usually ATK/anemo/crit, and usually 2p VV and 2p ATK. I personally prefer this, if you don't need 4p VV on the team (for example, Xiao). You can still run 4p VV with those main stats, or even 4p NO if you need it, though I don't recommend it that much on her tbh. Full support is probably ATK/ATK/HB with 4p VV or 4p NO.

An exception would be triple EM always with 4p VV, which only goes for sunfire Jean.

As for weapon, I recommend Amenoma 100%, because Jean does need ER (sub stats priority would be ER until you can burst off CD, crit and ATK). Another option is Flute but not a fan of it. Fav sword can work as well, and as for 5* I imagine Skywayrd would be good for her if you have it.

[pulsar zinc]

For vv set em build is it a waste to go for crit stats ?

[urban plaza]

Absolutely

The swirl doesn't crit

Plus getting EM in itself is verry hard

Trying to get EM WITH CRITS is like
nope

The only reason why I'd recommend Cr on EM build is if you're relying on fav weapons for ER/particles

[ocean ember]

Tbh, I find getting EM with ER harder

[urban plaza]

Wherein you would have to go Cr circlet so as to decently proc the passive

[ocean ember]

Ultimately, crit is usually close to being a trash stat like flat ATK is when talking about an EM build

[pulsar zinc]

Okay i see ty for the help ! 😄

[wise oak]

depends what lvl he is and his talents !

[humble pecan]

Would Yelan work best with 4pc EoSF or 2pc TotM with 2pc HoD?

[random roost]

Whats good for yoimiya? Like arti set and stats, set, weapon, talent priority, etc. And pls dont ask for my current built bc im prefarm

I also have amos, that good on her??

[ocean ember]

Amos is fine, but not that good

If you have high refinement Rust, that'd be better

4p CW or 4p Echoes

4p SR can be ran but it's not that good for her

And depending on the team, either EM or ATK sands, pyro goblet, crit rate circlet (unless you get a ton of CR from subs alone, and even her signature weapon is CDMG if you happen to have it)

For subs, CDMG/CR, ATK and EM are all important, and ER is fine as well

[random roost]

Oo okie

Whats sr stand for?

[ocean ember]

Shimenawa set

[gilded dock]

Why not SR?

[ocean ember]

Because both 4p CW and 4p Echoes (at least afaik, not sure about Echoes but I imagine it is) are better (both easier to use and generally higher damage) than SR

[gilded dock]

SR is farmable alongside ESF

Crimson bitch i will never touch again

and echoes is too new

[ocean ember]

I guess that's the only advantage of SR yeah, but it's still clunkier and usually results in lower damage than other sets

I'd even go for a combination of 2p CW, 2p WT and 2p ATK over 4p SR

4p SR is fine though if you kill everything in one rotation, but that implies content that doesn't come in waves for instance

[random roost]

Oh yeah, shime is painful for me when i see that burst go sayonara.

[ocean ember]

Yeah, and with Yoi you want to burst before E anyways which, if you do immediately (or don't get 15 energy back in between), renders the passive useless

[heady berry]

Should you get blackcliff refinements for xiao?

[bleak river]

Blackcliff is not worth refining

[lavish needle]

Raiden shogun with er or atk percent goblet better?

Apparently I’m running a raiden national team

[bleak river]

There is no er goblet

[lavish needle]

I mean electro dmg bonus or atk percent lmao

Which is better?

[bleak river]

You using er or atk sands, and what weapon?

[lavish needle]

Catch

Atk sands

But dk electro or atk goblet

[bleak river]

Prob atk(?), but check genshin optimizer

[lavish needle]

Ty

[native mulch]

i want to do a kaeya showcase for him to hit 100k:'>

what food buffs should i use;o;

would qiqi's food or adeptus temptation be better:'>??

and should i use a cryo cup:0 and shenhe

[bleak river]

Ye

[wheat solstice]

i would say adeptus temptation but try both if u want

i love when people use the weakest characters to do the best dmg, good luck! :D

[bleak river]

Kaeya isn't weak :/

[wheat solstice]

yeah i stated that wrong

lemme rephrase that

i love when people use the starter characters to do to best dmg

like traveler, amber, kaeya, lisa, and noelle

noelle is "free" so ig she kinda counts

[native mulch]

ahh okok:>!!

[native mulch]

thank you!!

[wheat solstice]

npp

[bleak river]

Xiangling and barbara are also "free"

[modern raven]

iw crowned xianling and noelle...still useful until now..

[lavish needle]

Every character can be strong as long as you put good weapons and artifices for them

[gritty tusk]

Spiral Abyss 2.6 Floor 12 - 9⭐| Double Hydro Anemo C6 Xinqiu DPS & Triple Geo C0 Itto Comp - Rosaria
https://youtu.be/wwWsN4c4cGU

[sly mortar]

can i ask the meta people here. how is hydro keqing a thing

hydro keqing has haunted me ever since i laid eyes upon her in some random persons account

[gilded dock]

...hydro?

[urban plaza]

First time I'm hearing about it ngl

[gilded dock]

there is no hydro infusion yet

Pyro, Cryo, Electro, Physical exist, the other 4 elements? no

[urban plaza]

Unless you mean you saw 4HoD Keqing

Which could've been for the 4pc bonus

[river ore]

Heart of Depth

2 Piece Bonus: Hydro DMG Bonus +15%
4 Piece Bonus: After using Elemental Skill, increases Normal Attack and Charged Attack DMG by 30% for 15s.

Rarity

4/5 ⭐

[gilded dock]

I mean worse shime in that regard, or bolide, but yeah

[urban plaza]

Could've been a meme or a fun build

[oblique pelican]

Or might have rolled significantly better than other sets

[wise oak]

FR FR

[native mulch]

ah this is kinda random but i was wondering how shenhe's buff works and if it would buff kaeya's skill and burst;o;??

[wise oak]

cyro dmg

[sly mortar]

i forgot to come back. whoops. it could be the 4pc and boasted abt it being "hydro" keqing for whatever reason is its not possible - yet

[random roost]

better arti?

offpieces for yoimiya

[random roost]

which?

[humble pecan]

Neither bc they're level 0 /hj

[random roost]

i—

but like ill enhance one

so which to enhance base off of stats

[humble pecan]

Atk% will probably be better unless u planned on using 4pc emblem but that'd probably be a bad set for amber lol

[random roost]

ah no no

its for yoimiya

probably shouldve stated that in the first place lmao

my bad

[humble pecan]

Ohhh my bad lol

[random roost]

No no, dw nobody couldve expected me prefarming yoimiya eheh

[humble pecan]

Idk something is telling me atk% would still be better for yoimiya unless the other one rolled well but I dont have her or really planned for her so i could be wrong lol

[random roost]

Hehe

Now i look at jt properly the shime one does look bettrr

[ocean ember]

Yeah, ATK is def better. You'll need quite a bunch of ER on 4p SR but imo not enough to still go ER sands over ATK.

[gloomy igloo]

I personally as a Yoimiya main use ATK% on sands in my vaporize team

[modern raven]

Hello everyone

Can someone give me a build for ayaka

I soo confused 😕❓

[torn leaf]

4p blizzard cr/cd 30/200++ with 130% ER if amenoma or 150% if the weapon doesnt provide ER/energy

that's my preference

[gritty tusk]

Spiral Abyss 2.6 Floor 12 - 9⭐| C6 Rosaria C0 Kaeya C2 Mona Freeze Combo & C3 Raiden Taser Team
https://youtu.be/IGg1pEDmrks

[heady berry]

My ningguang has 82.6% geo dmg bonus. Should I go for geo dmg& atk set bonus and or 2 atk bonus in artifacts?

[urban plaza]

The best is AP and +18% set

[gritty tusk]

I TRIPLE CROWNED DILUC IN 2022.
https://youtu.be/Y8NENqpLJ-4

[gilded dock]

Yet still less damage than my bennett record on copium artis /s

[steady stream]

Bennett is de 6 star pyro archon in disguise

[tight stratus]

To those who have Mona built, can you post them? I’m looking for burst DPS/nuke bells. I know free support is for peace tenacity, but I want to know what the normal pilled is for her, since I’m not quite sure and I’m trying to build her.

I have oathsworn eye on her rn hut i also have favonious codex and an r2 widsidth but its on my dps yanfei

[ocean ember]

Normal pilled? Also not sure what you mean by nuke bells or for peace Tenacity alkjslda sorry.

In any case, her BiS for a nuke build is 4p EoSF, but a combination of 2p EoSF, 2p NO and 2p HoD are also good enough.

Widsith is her 4* BiS for nuke

But something like Atlas, Lost Prayer and I imagine even Mappa Mare could be fine enough

Ofc, ATK/hydro/crit

Looking for crit, ATK, EM and ER sub stats

[tight stratus]

Sorry i was using voice to text lol

[ocean ember]

Ah, AHH that makes sense lmao

[tight stratus]

You think mappa mare would suffice till i get another widsidth?

[ocean ember]

Probably, yeah

You want a crit circlet anyways in both cases, so at least the build wouldn't have to change that much

[tight stratus]

Fair.

So i should keep a 4 pc noblesse on her for nuke/support dps?

Or 4pc emblem?

And im@assuming it would be attack/hydro/crit

[ocean ember]

I'd just separate the builds, since on support she usually does TotM (mostly because there is someone else already with 4p NO on the team)

And support focuses solely on ER

[visual osprey]

emblem is probably uncontested for burst dmg on anyone that does burst dmg. it just depends if u want support or not

[ocean ember]

Like, you need a ton of ER (another common build for support is 2p EoSF and 2p Exile or Scholar)

[tight stratus]

Hhhhh idk bc i have the WORST luck in emblem

[ocean ember]

If you don't want to farm EoSF, you can always do a combination of 2p NO, 2p HoD, 2p EoSF and 2p ATK, actually

Even 2p WT should be fine if you are vaping her burst, which you should be doing on a nuke build anyways

[tight stratus]

Okay:,)))

[visual osprey]

actually does mona get her own nobless buff

cos dmg is on pop after

[tight stratus]

I’ll eventually farm emblem again but im not looking to farm it again just yet (farmed for 2 months for a mid-tier raiden)

[visual osprey]

lol iv not stopped farming emblem ever since it came out

best dungeon to farm

[tight stratus]

Ive been farming HOD and BS for ayaka, childe and ayato and rosaria (if i get good bs stuff)

I was getting so mad with the emblem drops i needed to stop

[visual osprey]

emblem is also fine on ayaka right

[ocean ember]

If they're doing a proper rotation, yeah, I believe so

[visual osprey]

i guess bliz is probably too good if u can actually freeze

[ocean ember]

Should be somewhat fine I guess, but I doubt it's better than even 2p BS and 2p ATK

[tight stratus]

And is monas nuke build ONLY for vape?

[ocean ember]

Basically, yeah

[tight stratus]

Oh 🧍🏻‍♀️

[ocean ember]

I guess you could use it outside of that, but it's not as good

[tight stratus]

So if i just wanted her as a burst dps i would need emblem right?

Like, besides the nuke build

(Like rosaria for example, or xianglin)

[ocean ember]

So you mean support?

In Mona's case, she's either a nuke or a support imo

[tight stratus]

Yeah

As a support

[ocean ember]

Both Xianling and Rosaria have DoT bursts, they can't technically nuke

[tight stratus]

(Sorry theres so many build options for her so its kinda hard for me to put it into words)

[ocean ember]

As a support, either 4p TotM or 2p EoSF and 2p Exile or Scholar

[tight stratus]

Okay, so just focus on ult uptime and buffing?

[ocean ember]

There's mostly just two though

But yeah!

Ult uptime, hence ER

And buffing you just need to level her burst

[tight stratus]

Okay okay i got it :,)) sorry its really confusing sometimes lol genshin is anlot

Yeah ik

I use her for the taunt a lot too

[ocean ember]

Dw xD

[tight stratus]

For the support build couldnt i keep oathsworn eye on her (in certain scenarios) for the ER boost?

[ocean ember]

I'd rather TToDS tbh

But Oathsworn could be fine, yeah

I'd go Fav Codex over it though

[tight stratus]

Oo fair fair

Kinda forgot abt fav

I just wanna use oathsworn on someone but idk anyone who could really utilize it (no yae)

[ocean ember]

Yeah, unfortunately Oathsworn isn't too good on anyone outside Yae

But could be used on Mona if you really don't want to use Fav

At least is not as "bad" as Cinnabar, that can literally only be used by Albedo lmao

[tight stratus]

True, true. As an albedo haver, im grateful for it tho

Does anyone know if the new upcoming event weapon would be good on anyone?

[ocean ember]

Yeah, same

Outside of Yelan, it isn't looking too good either

[tight stratus]

Fffff

Im not pulling yelan but i was like “ooooo”

[ocean ember]

Probably Sara due to the base attack

[tight stratus]

Maybe for physical fischl? But i still feel like theres better options

[ocean ember]

Maybe Fischl but she won't be able to utilise the passive well

[tight stratus]

How?

[ocean ember]

I mean probably, but physical Fischl is not good anyways xD

[ocean ember]

Oz snapshots, so the passive won't affect Oz until refreshing him

[tight stratus]

:,))) my hopes and dreams=crushed

[river ore]

@tight stratus has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[tight stratus]

Im still gonna do it tho 😂 yunjin exists

I dont even have sara built, i dont understand how her kit works, its a little complicated

[ocean ember]

Gl xD

Eh, Sara is just Bennett, just on skill and burst

Imo just ignore the skill buff unless C2+

You can use her burst to buff instead

[ocean ember]

Well, this and on a single character and lasts around 6 seconds iirc

[tight stratus]

That seems really underwhelming 😭

I dont have any consetllations for her either

[ocean ember]

What makes her so good on electro comps is her C6, which buffs CDMG

[tight stratus]

Oh okay. Is that why shes on raiden hypercarry?

[ocean ember]

Yup, she raises the CDMG of electro characters buffed by her by 60%

Well, more specifically, raises the CDMG of electro damage, so for example won't be buffing Raiden's non-infused normals, but no one cares about those xD

[tight stratus]

Ah okay 😂

I just dont see how useful shed be with c0 with that 6 second window (mostly bc idk whos skills/bursts snapshot)

[ocean ember]

While her buff duration is rather short, it mostly suffices tbh

Take into account she's mostly use for electro comps so

For example, you buff the initial slash of Raiden burst, which is like half of her total burst damage iirc

You get to buff like a couple more autos on her bursts but yeah

If you wanted to buff Beidou, Beidou's burst snapshots so the duration of the buff doesn't matter (Sara's C6 doesn't snapshot though)

Keqing is fine as well with 6 seconds, as you'd buff her burst (usually E, Q, E, so you'd buff her E as well)

[quasi abyss]

quick question, i have a half build jean rn and i have 2 18% artifacts sets on her + a lvl 80 flute. am i building her bad for pure healing

her artifacts aren’t that lvled up rn

like lvl 6 0 1 or sm

she has around 1500 atk and heals a good bit

[tight stratus]

So could she be used in a taser comp with fischl and beidou?

[grand kestrel]

if you're putting Bennett in another team she can totally fill in as a budget Benny.

[quasi abyss]

oops it’s 6 6 12

💀

[grand kestrel]

personally I don't like Ult only healers, for the most part. They can be fine, I just don't care for it.

[tight stratus]

Same

[ocean ember]

Tbh, you can build her as sub dps and she will still heal more than enough. ATK/anemo/crit with Amenoma is really good for her.

However, not sure what your question is?

[quasi abyss]

if it’s good or not

[ocean ember]

You mean Keqing or Sara? And on taser, you usually only do 2 electro, since you need hydro and anemo

[ocean ember]

Well, we don't know what the build actually is alskdla but if it heals enough for you, and that's what you want, then I'd guess is good for you

[tight stratus]

Sara

And oh shit youre right my b 💀

[ocean ember]

It's fine xD I guess you could do 3 electro and 1 hydro but not sure if it'd be worth it in this case

[grand kestrel]

you probably wouldn't get enough of a boost from Sara to make it worth the cost otherwise for sure

Even with Raiden/Yae combo

well, maybe with Raiden/Yae, but then you're not really doing a Taser.

you're doing a Raiden carry with a hydro.

[severe vine]

hello good day! is this piece suits to yunjin?

[ocean ember]

If it rolls into ER, seems like a good piece, yeah

[severe vine]

thank you!

[ocean ember]

Though she prefers 4p Husk

Yw!

[severe vine]

is ER good for ningguang or EM?

[ocean ember]

She doesn't really want neither of those, ER is decent but she has no use for EM

[bleak river]

shield gen ng

[unkempt oriole]

EM has no business existing in geo artis

[gritty tusk]

Spiral Abyss 2.6 Floor 12 - 9⭐| C0 Kamisato Ayato Hyper Carry & C1 Hu Tao Overvape with Raiden
https://youtu.be/XV3QyAnD1j0

[heady berry]

Yeah but I already have 80% I think that much should be a sufficient element dmg bonus, is it not?

[urban plaza]

How did you get 80% though

Iirc, in most cases, Elemental bonus is always better than +% atk

You can try Genshin Optimizer and edit the set bonus and see which gives more damage

[heady berry]

Her ascension stats, gob and atlas

[urban plaza]

Atlas gives atk, right?

Idk I'd recommend Archaic

Mainly because bonus is added onto the WHOLE ATK, while Atk+ is on base or flat something

[heady berry]

Elemental dmg bonus substat.
Anyway thx mate

[bleak river]

Dmg bonus doesn't exist on substat…

[urban plaza]

No worries

[heady berry]

Check in the bot spam

[bleak river]

That's a passive but sure

[heady berry]

My bad

[terse mist]

i need help 😭 my ayato cant hit big numbers even with 262 cd 😫 what am i doing wrong?

[quasi abyss]

me with my 208 EM zhongl:

[quasi abyss]

what’s his CR?

most ppl do a 1:2 ratio

[terse mist]

45% 😭

is that the problem? T^T

[quasi abyss]

it’s kinda low

are you using a CD circlet or a CR one?

[terse mist]

cd 😦

[quasi abyss]

change to a CR one

that’ll make your CD like around 230 but make your CR around 70

i think💀

[terse mist]

i tried n my cd is like 222

thats still okey right?

[quasi abyss]

yep!

my raidens crit dmg is around 100 j think

i don’t get good roles

tools

rolls💀

she can hit around 30k-40k if she crits

[quasi abyss]

to me that’s high

[river ore]

@quasi abyss has leveled up to LEVEL 6

[quasi abyss]

all long as they can do those BIG numbers it’s good

[fresh briar]

Should I give this to ayaka for 2+2 artifact of this and blizzard

[ebon ginkgo]

yall cannot compare to my sucrose

she heals xiao about 4.5k per burst

[quasi abyss]

YOU MADE SUCROSE HEAL???

v scared of that

i’m assuming you did a lot of ER?

[quasi abyss]

show i triple crown kazuha or not?

like is it worth it

i could 6 10 10 him

[bleak river]

Not worth at all, since his dmg comes from em (swirling) and not from talent levels (anemo dmg)

[ocean ember]

Levelling talents for Kazuha is in general not worth it

Even 1/6/6 could be considered a waste, but not too much

I double crowned my Kazuha knowing this though, just because I like it

Was it worth it? No

You already double crowned him though, but at least his autos are the ones worth the least

[bleak river]

(unless for wtv reason he's c6)

[ocean ember]

True, good point

Though even then, thinking about it, his damage might still be focused on swirling, but idk. I don't think many people actually have C6 Kazuha so there's very few testing on that

[bleak river]

Eh isn't he mainly a dps at c6

[ocean ember]

Yeah, but I imagine he'd still focus on swirling, just via his autos

Kinda like Sucrose does on a taser team

I imagine that at C6 he might be at the same level as Sucrose as a taser driver

[bleak river]

Hmm

[ocean ember]

But tbh idk xD I don't have him C6 to actually test so he might want a regular DPS build

[bleak river]

I don't either, it's fine XD

[quasi abyss]

oh i don’t have him YET tho, i’ll drag him home by the hair if i have to

i rlly should have asked before farming mats💀

i’ll like 4 9 9 him or something

[urban plaza]

The mats are reusable, so no harm done

If you haven't built your XL, she can take them

[quasi abyss]

i ahve 8 of the azdaha horn drops

[urban plaza]

Ganyu/ YunYun/ Chongyun/HuTao can use the talent books

And a lot of us have extra weekly drops XD

No worries there either

[bleak river]

Yunyun XD

[quasi abyss]

i just dropped about 5m more taking away the talent costs

[urban plaza]

XD

[urban plaza]

Yaaas

[ocean ember]

Ah I see xD You can 1/6/6 him if you really want to and use the mats/boss drops on other characters

[ebon ginkgo]

I think my kazuha is 8/8/8 but only because I have a lot of extra materials, I had no reason to level anything really

[grand kestrel]

https://youtu.be/QGF0A5Dtiww C6 Kazuha

[ocean ember]

Hmm, a hybrid build I see

Interesting that they decided to go ATK goblet instead of anemo, specially since it seems they're running Bennett with him

[gritty tusk]

Spiral Abyss 2.6 Floor 12 - 9⭐| C0 Diluc Overvape Team & C0 Arataki Itto Double Geo Cryo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBzkUsaMGCU

[gloomy igloo]

Hi I'm new here just wanted to ask if this is a good build I have for Xiao or do I need to change anything in particular?

[bleak river]

More cd (for ayato)

[quasi abyss]

is it worth it to get kazuha sword?

i’m thinking of getting it for him

i got the all purple chain things for it

[visual osprey]

its significant
a 10% dmg bonus for himself and 20% atk for team, thats basically 4nobless but on a weapon

[fleet knot]

fun fact, i have no use for this goblet i got yesterday

[quasi abyss]

ima add bennett to the team with him so that’s about a 40% dmg bonus

[visual osprey]

whats the team tho

[quasi abyss]

um i’m thinking maybe Kazuha, Shogun, Bennett, and Jean

i’m on the fence for shogun tho

[visual osprey]

as always dont roll weapons unless u do have like 200+ fates to spare and dont mind losing them

uh thats just a sunfire raiden team but with a weird kazuha in it

[quasi abyss]

i have about 40 gates and i’m at 60 pity, and i usually get them around 75-80 so ima get kazuha then spend it all on his weapon cause it’s prob gonna be a few more updates

[visual osprey]

xingqiu would be a way better fit if u hav him free

[quasi abyss]

yeah

[quasi abyss]

oh i do

he’s even built!

[visual osprey]

also fun fact theres this button here

so u dont ping a person who is already in the same chat 3 times in a row

oops i didnt mean to ping u balakin

lol

well, if u do hav xingqiu freed up hes a way better fit in that team

if u replace jean with sara it will become hyper raiden

but sara without c6 is kinda

also hyper raiden isnt ideal before raiden c2

[quasi abyss]

ok!

i have c0 on every 5* but jean

who’s unfortunately c1

[fleet knot]

https://c.tenor.com/jNzyLSukKuEAAAAM/ironic-star-wars.gif

[manic cave]

confused who my team should be

[ocean ember]

For what? Overworld? Abyss?

[manic cave]

world

do i work on toma and razor

[ocean ember]

Though I'm assuming overworld judging by the levels so you have Ayaka, she only does freeze

In this case, you're better off with Barbara, Diona and Sayu

Well, no

I'd replace Diona with Kaeya since you have triple healing going on there xD

Issue is Barbara is your only hydro

[manic cave]

my friends main them and say many things about my lisa and barbara

[manic cave]

ya lol

[ocean ember]

And Sayu your only anemo (she's better than traveller at least)

[manic cave]

im waiting for sucrose xd

[ocean ember]

Razor can be a good carry for the start and mid of the game

But he doesn't go with Ayaka

[manic cave]

ar 39

[ocean ember]

XL and Bennett also don't go well with Ayaka

[ocean ember]

Yeah, that's still early

[ocean ember]

She's a great character, not too good with freeze but better than Sayu xD

[manic cave]

sad
i considered it mid

who goes with ayaka

[ocean ember]

Well, technically some people do run Bennett with Ayaka but he can end up messing with freeze and I personally don't like it, Ayaka really doesn't need his buff xD

[ocean ember]

I'd say mid is AR45-AR55, but idk xD

[ocean ember]

Freeze

In your case, Barbara, Sayu and Kaeya/Rosaria

[manic cave]

all freeze team?

oh okok

[ocean ember]

You can't do two different teams in one, yeah xD

Putting pyro in will not let her freeze, specially XL

[manic cave]

ya i evaporate things alot

and melt

[visual osprey]

i dont think u need to worry about overworld team

probably gonna be changing it around anyway whenever u encounter a puzl

[manic cave]

but things are getting hard to kill

[visual osprey]

ic

[ocean ember]

For other options, you could do a Razor physical team with Kaeya and/or Rosa, maybe Diona and maaaybe electro traveller? Another option, but you'd need Xingqiu, would be the original version of National, aka Bennett, Xiangling, Xingqiu and Chongyun (though if you get Sucrose, Sucrose can do very well instead of Chongyun).

[visual osprey]

if u like melt u can run reverse melt with bennet xiangling rosaria kaeya

it is a pretty meta team

[ocean ember]

^ That's another pretty good option

[visual osprey]

doesnt look like u hav xingqiu which is unfortunat, since they did giv that free

[manic cave]

i like ayaka tho i cant have a team without her

[visual osprey]

ayaka is not very good in overworld

[manic cave]

when?

[ocean ember]

Ayaka doesn't do melt though xD she's basically only freeze. Like, recently melt for her has been talked about more seriously (it was a meme), but it requires way more investment and Yun Jin, and I'd still recommend freeze over that.

[ocean ember]

At the beginning of this patch

[visual osprey]

most of her kit is just her ult, which is wasted on hilichurls

[ocean ember]

Well, not even at the beginning, I'd say at around mid patch?

[manic cave]

i started playing like a month ago

[ocean ember]

Around 3-4 weeks ago

[manic cave]

you sure hm when i started i only saw xl free

[ocean ember]

But this is correct. I wouldn't advice against running her on overworld though, at least I sometimes do, just mostly do normal/charged attacks (which are enough for most mobs on overworld), but then again, I'm AR57, she's somewhat decently build and my supports as well. Kazuha alone can one shot half the mobs with his E. x'D

[ocean ember]

He was gave as a reward of the event

But yeah, the event required you to have finished Inazuma's storyline

[manic cave]

oh i see

[visual osprey]

o right event lockd behind inazuma

personally my overworld team always has a runner and a healer/shielder

runner usually means boy bcos they can bhop the best

[ocean ember]

Yeah, I guess I gravitate towards that as well

I like Ayaka though since she can traverse water the best

There's also Mona, but Mona can't infinitely traverse water like Ayaka can xD

[visual osprey]

ic

my overworld team has been stable for a while:
ganyu xiao bennet zhongli

[ocean ember]

Now that's interesting, but it's overworld so. I've run more whacky stuff, specially for friendship lmao

My team for Chasm was Jean, Kazuha, Zhongli and Childe

I've enjoyed running double anemo on overworld, for the longest time I ran Jean, Kazuha, Keqing and either XQ or Fischl, haha

[manic cave]

bhop how?

[visual osprey]

well, ganyu is nobrainer the most versatile dps ever
zhongli too, basically means i no longer need a health bar
bennet for pyro (mostly for dragonspine), and big buff if i end up triggering a challenge with actual enemies
xiao for traversal. also, ever since enkanomiya they'v started to put way more junk and slopes on the floor. xiao is fun to use in chasm cos u can just plunge literally anywhere

[ocean ember]

Ahhh makes sense, I was mostly curious about why Xiao into that, but yeah, traversal makes sense xD

[visual osprey]

wil probably replace with kazuha when i get

[ocean ember]

I see! Yeah, Kazuha is by far the best character for verticality

[visual osprey]

also he is boy shaped so he can bhop well for horizontal

[visual osprey]

bhop is when u initiate a sprint and then jump the moment u touch the ground

in genshin it allows u to continue sprint jumping even after running out of staimina

but if u miss a jump and stay on ground for a few frames u lose the sprint

i think its like a 4 frame window or somthing on 60fps?

kinda hard but can get the timing down with practice

[ocean ember]

This conversation made me remember how I really don't enjoy running National on overworld much. That team 100% relies on bursts (unless it's Childe International) so can get annoying, haha.

[bronze flame]

meta teams usually don't belong in the overworld. morgana is totally wasted because everything's dead before you get your energy back

eula & itto teams are great since you just smack things hard

[ocean ember]

Yeah, though tbf you can just charged shoot at stuff with Ganyu

[bronze flame]

yeah, melt ganyu is great for overworld

[ocean ember]

Ayaka is a bit worse but you can still use E and normal/charged attacks for most stuff

XL is pure pain though, at least imo xD I barely ever get the energy back, but it'll take quite a bit not using any burst

But then again, I run XL on my casual account which is not AR55 yet, and my XL could still see improvements so there's that xD

[bronze flame]

yeah, when i'm running around with rational, I basically never use Xl's burst, i only ever do bennet/raiden bursts

[ocean ember]

Ah makes sense, I do use Bennett's burst more frequently, same as Chongyun's (I'm running the original version, I don't even have Sucrose on that account lmao)

Though ngl, I've enjoyed running Chongyun and I don't get to run him in my other accounts so yeah

[bronze flame]

except for the furnace room, I do use bursts in there, since there's 4 reasonably beefy enemies in a row

[ocean ember]

Oh it's been a while since I've been there asdjhak. I haven't properly explored the map on my third account actually. I did do the Tatara quest but didn't actually stop to get chests and stuff. xD

[bronze flame]

i just artifact farm thru there

[ocean ember]

Ahh makes sense. I usually just go straight to get the artefacts and flee ignoring the enemies when artefact farming, unless I need the drops from the mobs, haha

[visual osprey]

only reason for me to use chongyun was aginst heralds

but now hav ganyu

altbough i did jus c6 benet so i could do some wack stuff with him

[river ore]

@visual osprey has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[visual osprey]

like melting own autos inside both bennet and chongyun field

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wow only <@&874036938351448094> r allowd to see this spam in every chanel

[bleak river]

Then give it here, hutao needs a pyro goblet

[daring onyx]

opinions on amos bow on venti

[ocean ember]

Bad

[daring onyx]

viri hunt?

[ocean ember]

He never uses his auto attacks nor charged attacks. Viri Hunt could maybe be decent on a DPS Venti but it's also pretty bad for EM Venti.

[daring onyx]

ok thx

[ocean ember]

If you have Stringless, that's better

[tight stratus]

When should i stop farming for mora and xp books? I feel like im always low on mora or xp books, even if i farm them often enough (mostly the mora tho) then I see people with like 2million or 600k mora just sitting there casually

Idek if thats a valid enough question tbh im jw everyones thoughts

[ocean ember]

At some point you stop using up all the mora, specially when you start farming artefacts long-term. I haven't used much mora for a couple months now and I'm sitting on 13M rn, and barely ever actually do leylines (just did the 3 daily ones for the event). I'm assuming you've been raising several characters, but there will be a point where that will slow down greatly.

[tight stratus]

Okay😭 yeah, as someone who startwd in october, and at ar 56, its been a rough one for me 😭 i have horrible crit ratios on half of my characters and horrible horrible artifact luck, so at this point, im just trying to build characters who can use the actually good pieces

(RIP my chongyun bc he has 32 cr and i never get a good blizzard circlet for him)

Id honestly pay someone to go through my stuff if i wasnt broke and actually knew someone lol

[ocean ember]

Akajdhsak all I can advice is patience! Getting a good 4p set takes 2-3 months on average so yeah, it's painful xD

[tight stratus]

I farmed blizzard strayer for a 2 pc and got a crappy 2 pc 😭

Ive only ever gotten 2 crit rate circlets from that set and they were both garbage, but i used them anyways (I started farming ir again and ayaka is still stuck with 4 4* pieces

[ocean ember]

Gl with that! My luck is not much better but hey, eternal farming it is xD

[tight stratus]

😭😭

[severe vine]

good day! IDK how to start building my zhongli, do you guys have a recommendation for his shield and burst?

[bleak river]

Shield bot zl is just triple hp, while burst is the traditional build
For a hybrid build it'd be hp geo crit? Idk

[urban plaza]

Shield would use ToTM 4pc
Burst/Nuke is 2AP and 2NO

[heady berry]

Go phys my dude 😎

[severe vine]

thank you!

[tame abyss]

would you use an er sands on ayaka if you have the mistsplitter?

[bleak river]

atk sands.

[fleet knot]

If only
How unfortunate though, that it's theoretically one of my best artifacts and I can't even use it

[bleak river]

My best pyro goblets are
20.2cd
12.1cr
Respectively

You essentially got both in one

[gritty tusk]

Spiral Abyss 2.6 Floor 12 - 9⭐| C6 Beidou Hyper Carry Team & C3 Raiden Shogun Taser-Freeze Team
https://youtu.be/1cruaRl-d6E

[bleak river]

Thanks for reminding me to send here XD

tho my thumbnails are not nice

https://youtu.be/cwWHDMp1-Gw

This is only a 6* clear :/

[quasi abyss]

does xinqius burst work with charges shots?

[humble pecan]

I'm not entirely sure but I dont think it does bc the burst description only mentions it works with normal attacks, but I could be interpreting it wrongly

Idk if it means normal attacks as in auto attacks or normal attacks as in the entire normal attack talent (which would include charged shots)

[quasi abyss]

oh ty!

[humble pecan]

Yw

[visual osprey]

it does not

even if it did its not ideal bcos of the time it takes to charge a shot, ur missing like half the rainsword procs

[heavy sand]

someone tell me how to improve my ningguang ty

i’m levelling up her talents to lvl 9 when i feel like it

[gilded dock]

@heavy sand shinshin.moe would help btw

[heavy sand]

whats that

okay thanks <33

[gilded dock]

C6 I guess?

and shinshin.moe makes graphics like these rather easy

[heavy sand]

o wow

[river ore]

@heavy sand has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[heavy sand]

thats so much better

[gilded dock]

exactly

[heavy sand]

yea i def need more crit dmg

thank you

[gilded dock]

yeah. kagura's verity is the only one for that, and you obv didn't pull for it

too bad solar pearl doesn't buff CA

[heavy sand]

yea i dont wish on weapon banner

i have r2 skyward atlas and it gives 15% more elemental bonus dmg and more atk stuff

[gilded dock]

4star dps units suffer from 4star stats and requiring C6, so only have a noelle DPS build around and can't quite compare to that skyward atlas
not to mentionI got lost prayer instead of Haran / Elegy, and got Memery of Dust instead of Polar star, so can't really advise for weapons banner prior to like AR58 anyway

but yeah, you def should keep shinshin.moe in your mind, since these graphics are easier to read than 10 screenshots

[heavy sand]

yea definitely 😭 😭

my only five star dps is keqing </33

[gilded dock]

used to habe bennett DPS, but 51 / 118 crit after 5 months of crimson bitch was just yikes

[heavy sand]

damn

yea once i get kazuha ill wish freely so ill make sure to get some constellation bc shes c0 😭 😭

[gilded dock]

oof that hurts

[heavy sand]

it does but i wanted to main her so badly so i began building her

and she does a decent amount of dmg just not as much as like those cracke ningguangs

[tired burrow]

i want dps kazuha
unfortunately my crit luck sucks literal balls and swirl doesnt crit anyways, so im farming triple em 4pc vv (ew!!)
so im considering a team with sucrose for em buff, diona for c6 em buff and i need help with third slot
either chongyun for cryo res + cryo infusion = consistent element to swirl with so the em is useful
or bennett for obvious buffs and also melt??

[bleak river]

Do you have the things for cryzuha?

Honestly looks like a fun team

[tired burrow]

uhh im getting cry=cryo but what goes into that team?

literally never heard of it;-;

[bleak river]

Uhhh
Kazu chongyun yunjin and someone else I forgot

[tired burrow]

ah no yunjin

[bleak river]

I don't get putting sucrose with kazu?

[tired burrow]

em

i just grouped two characters who buff em that's all

[bleak river]

…eh?

[tired burrow]

ok so idea being
diona applies cryo through e
sucrose swirls that and we get the 20% em passive bonus
diona q + another 200 em

im js

tryna stack that

[bleak river]

But why

[tired burrow]

big number

[bleak river]

…sure

[tired burrow]

ahh well who would u propose beyond sucrose not yunjin

[bleak river]

For dps kazu?

[tired burrow]

yes

[bleak river]

Maybe a hydro if you got chongyun to supply cryo infusion

[tired burrow]

kazuha xq chongyun diona

[bleak river]

Sounds fine tbh

[tired burrow]

going to put blizzard strayer on kazuha

1000000 iq play

[bleak river]

Nah vv is more important

Also you might have to level his aa

[tired burrow]

ahh right

cuz plunge

[bleak river]

And also if you gon use him to hit with cryo

[tired burrow]

oh fax

should i still go for 3em or anemo damage goblet

[bleak river]

Umm

Idk whether cryo gob or anemo gob tbh

Nvm standard dps build

[tired burrow]

??

that being crit n stuff?

[bleak river]

Yep

[tired burrow]

inchresting

tysm!

[ocean ember]

Sucrose literally can't buff Kazuha though

[tired burrow]

why??

[ocean ember]

Because HYV decided that, to avoid infinite loops on buffs

[tired burrow]

ah ew

does this apply to the diona buff too or not cuz thats a fixed number

[bleak river]

Diona works

[ocean ember]

No, it doesn't apply to Diona afaik

As you said, iirc fixed numbers aren't affected

[bleak river]

Not like people would run two cc chars on one team

…Right?

[tired burrow]

hush

i've seen venti kazuha plays

[bleak river]

Okay fine that team has stupid aoe dmg

[tired burrow]

it was a well thought out idea on my part to use sucrose to avoid pain farming em

not my fault hyv did that

[bleak river]

You'd have to give sucrose em…

[tired burrow]

yea but

at least some of its done