🔨・build-discussion

[bleak river]

this but i now have r2 dbane

[ocean ember]

So something along the lines of 500 EM and 60% CR?

[bleak river]

yep

[ocean ember]

Well, it's really decent imo salkjdla specially if you're not running Sucrose, but I'd try to replace sands for HP and goblet for pyro if possible

[bleak river]

im gonna run sucrose as soon as i get tankfei XD

[ocean ember]

Then yeah, I'd say switching the main stats on the sands and goblet will be more important then aksdjal

[bleak river]

this is like my best setup with hp pyro crit rn (with sucrose buff and after using e)

and idk about you, but 42cr aint gonna cut it

[ocean ember]

Yeah, 42% is too low

Wish you luck with farming though

[bleak river]

I want a pyro goblet with those stats

[ocean ember]

Yeahh, those are really nice subs hhh

[bleak river]

But no, the game gave me two hp goblets, that one and one slightly worse

[ocean ember]

Damn alsjdla that's how HYV is huh

[bleak river]

That's just rng on rng XD

[ocean ember]

Yeah x'D

[bleak river]

I'll need it 😭

[modern raven]

increase ATK, CRT, CDMG..ER is enough i think

[bleak river]

cr and cd are fine

[ocean ember]

Tbf, CR, even with catch's passive, is low. CDMG could be better, but it's still on the lower side. ATK is also low but at least it's not terribly low.

[unkempt oriole]

Yea the Cr increments is kinda awkward 😭

Gonna still have like at least base Cr of 50-60 to make it viable 💀

[gritty tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFdjQ4R4Dk0

[unkempt oriole]

nice

finally diluc

[quasi abyss]

nvr touching aloy again

[unkempt oriole]

lmao

i mean tbf she is less than 30 lvl

[modern raven]

Raw CA no buff C0 hutao

[bleak river]

Nice

[modern raven]

Burst Talent lvl9

[bleak river]

Those are my numbers…with buffs 😭

[modern raven]

Is 2pc eosf and cw good for xiangling? i plan on maining her

[bleak river]

That's good enough

[modern raven]

i have no idea about teams 👍

when u dont have hutao so u main the best pyro polearm

[bleak river]

Wdym she's the only other pyro polearm
||thoma doesn't exist||

[modern raven]

XD

[rustic plank]

||You mean xiangling with c6 bennet?||

[bleak river]

That's still ||xiangling|| XD

[gritty tusk]

SO MY VIEWER CHALLENGED ME TO USE THIS TEAM FOR THE 2ND HALF OF FLOOR 12 ABYSS! THE RESULTS WERE...
https://youtu.be/RgET4n_wdA8

[modern raven]

Ayaka c0 10 9 9, buff bennet+suc+senhe

[bleak river]

Reminds me, I need to do an ayaka showcase with bennett

[short void]

Should I r2 my sac bow (50/50)

To be used on Diona

[bleak river]

Who else even uses sac bow other than diona

[short void]

Idk

[bleak river]

Maybe maybe sara

[short void]

Am bad at this stuff

[bleak river]

But you're p safe to refine it

[short void]

Don't even know names of most of the stuff

[short void]

Kk

Currently I'm using fav bow (70/70)

Should I switch to sac?

[bleak river]

On who?

Diona?

In a cryo based comp, ye sac

[short void]

Kk

[urban plaza]

I did it
It is better to refine sac weapons I think, since it increases your chance

My R2 Sac bow diona does get the reset pretty often

[short void]

Will do it surely

[bleak bluff]

which one is better for yanfei?

[ocean ember]

Pyro goblet

In veeery few situations you'll want a non-elemental goblet on a character that does damage

So it's almost always elemental or physical goblet

[bleak bluff]

ok thanks

[ocean ember]

Biggest exception would be Raiden with ER sands, who wants ATK goblet generally speaking, but yeah

Yw! It's also a pretty nice goblet anyways so yeah

[wheat solstice]

how much energy recharge would be recommended for lisa off-field dps?

it's top priority on paimon.moe

but im not sure if i should run an atk% sands or an energy recharge one

[fleet knot]

Is she 80 cost?

[wheat solstice]

wdym?

[fleet knot]

Could be like 170-220 depending on team if I had to take a guess

Her burst

How much energy does it cost

[wheat solstice]

yeah

80

[wheat solstice]

oh alright, thanks!

[tired burrow]

||thoma - ha+o = tomo so yea he doesnt exist anymore ||

[idle granite]

sad pyro Zhongli noises

[elder light]

happy noises this actually allowed me to give yelan a crt dmg circlet instead of the crit rate i had on her before

since she ascends with crit rate, she’ll end up with like 60% crit rate

im not too worried about er since she’ll be replacing xq on raiden national but i hope i can raise it to 150 at least when i can

[worthy furnace]

Anyone know a good build for Kequing that is easy to farm?

[unkempt oriole]

just get NO + TF

or Glad + TF

[urban plaza]

I was running Shogun on R5 Catch and XL on Blackcliffe (need it for the CD)
Yesterday I got Skyward Spine from the standard banner, and hence I am wondering if I should Switch Shogun to Skyward instead
I could eventually shift XL to Catch- but it'd require for me to change her build a bit, but then it'd allow me to use EM sands (Instead of ER) on her
Thoughts?

[gilded dock]

Catch is XL's BiS, and not having her on that and prioritizing shogun is a mistake

[urban plaza]

I'm pretty sure Shogun takes priority over XL

[gilded dock]

not in national

[urban plaza]

Even if someone else would dictate it otherwise,
I prefer my Shogun over her

Besides I don't always run the national

So I prefer to build my characters on a more general platform

But now that I do have Skyward, should I shift Shogun to it?

[gilded dock]

C0 raiden maxxed vs Xiangling maxxed, XL does more after like 5 hits of her Q with melt and EM AFAIK

[gilded dock]

for raiden, catch ~= SS

if you got R5 wavebreaker's fin, use that instead

also, a catch raiden has like no ATK

[urban plaza]

Ah

I do not wish on the weapon banner, so I have no wavebreakers

Imma switch shogun to SS then

Thank you

Wrt to the convo above

Why is SS below Catch on here?

[gilded dock]

because unlike the datasheet, paimon has no equality

[urban plaza]

Ah

Valid ig

But if Catch Shogun has no attack
Wouldn't the same stay for SS
Unless you mean wrt base attack offered by the weapon itself

My shogun is running ATK sands with Electro Gob

[timber hearth]

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[elder light]

who is skyward pride good on anyways ;-;

[unkempt oriole]

shenhe for instance

[bleak river]

Pride is the claymore-

[unkempt oriole]

mb

i read spine

my brain fried once again

[bleak river]

Too used to seeing spine

[urban plaza]

For beidou, it is above the fish XD

[wheat solstice]

it's like- ok on eula

[humble pecan]

I personally use it with 4-piece EoSF on Beidou and it works well

[tired burrow]

ok let’s say hypothetically u run xiangling kaeya and childe, and u have xl and kaeya bursts on at the same time and childe melee, what reactions would happen

would it all be melt or some vape or

[wheat solstice]

it would be a bunch of combinations

one second vaporize happens, then melt, then freeze, yeah

not in that exact order

[ocean ember]

Mostly vape, with an occasional melt on top of a freeze. Same concept as for when running Hu Tao with double cryo (with XQ ofc).

[glacial root]

Raiden wavebreaker or the catch r1 ?? I thin wavebreaker is better because more atk and burst dmg on passive.

[ocean ember]

What wavebreaker refinement?

Also not sure, but I'd guess Catch R5 would be better

Get fishing xD

[unkempt oriole]

If you are too lazy to farm the catch, wave breaker could work

its all up to your existing eqs and artis

but still advisable to make her about 200% er

u should also note that wavebreaker's increment (buff) is kind of minimal (based on your team)

[mighty coral]

can anyone give a ballpark figure of how much ATK is decent for DPS in general? i have ganyu at ~2200 atk, but my raiden is at around 1600, weapons are at lvl 90

[teal tiger]

raiden scales off er so if with 1.6k atk you still have 250%+ er you should be good. how much atk a dps needs depends whether they also scale off other stats

[ocean ember]

This is a bit low ATK for Raiden tbh

I'd aim for at least 1.9k

Running her with Bennett/Sara helps though

Also, no need for more than around 230% ER if running Catch

With EL, yeah, go bonkers on ER

[unkempt oriole]

Depends on if u run her with Bennett or not too

But yea 1.6 is slightly low

[unkempt oriole]

Show ur build maybe?

[mighty coral]

hmm i guess my raiden has a long way to go

i just used her as an example tho 😆 i'm currently building jean and she has 1500 atk with low level artifacts, i was kinda looking for a "general purpose" number for what a decent amount of ATK would be

crit stats are awful i know, haven't gotten around to farming artifacts for her again. low er due to preference using wavebreaker's fin on raiden and giving the catch to thoma/xiangling

[bleak river]

Catch xl and fav thoma pls

If you want to do that

[unkempt oriole]

^

a relevant suggestion

just make sure u keep her ER up after switching to wavebreaker

[ocean ember]

A general purpose number for any unit that wants to do damage would probably be around 2k ATK, assuming the characters scales off ATK

Ofc it varies, and units like Bennett can help up a bit with that, but 2k ATK buffless is imo a good number to aim for

[mighty coral]

got it, thanks for the help peeps

[unkempt oriole]

good thing most 5 star weapons can break through 2k

[bleak river]

My msr barely did XD

[unkempt oriole]

hp rolls gawddammit

[mighty coral]

i suffer from New Shiny Waifu syndrome and terrible luck, my only 5 star weapons are skyward blade (lost on homa banner) and aquila favonia

[bleak river]

I suffer from broke syndrome

[unkempt oriole]

good thing both swords are not exactly terrible so u can kind of make use of them

[silent tulip]

How bitchy should i be?
Alright, got it
Technically the only chars that scale off atk are Shenhe, Qiqi, Sayu and Jean and all of them (if built for atk) want far more than 2k

[bleak river]

Trollar still annoyed by ganyu not having the right stuff ic

C6 sayu scales off em btw :)

[silent tulip]

absolutely

[bleak river]

Autocorrect went to trolls instead of trollar XD

[silent tulip]

i've been called trolls before

as well as trollzie

troll

trola

troller

twowowwaw

[unkempt oriole]

Trolololololol

[proper pine]

Accidentally made a tank

[bleak river]

Hmm

[wise oak]

the fact i could get that def without trying on my kaeya shows how shit my artifacts r 💀

[native mulch]

would mistsplitter or haran be better for main dps kaeya;o; (2pc bloodstain 2 pc blizzard)

[worn forge]

Good for noelle or gorou? Still annoyed by those hp% rolls but i feel like managing to still get 21%+ cd is great

[bleak river]

Still decent

For ros in a freeze comp, yes

[crystal heath]

can anyone help my friend build a team for diluc @safe plinth

[crystal heath]

@bleak river

elp

maybe

lol

[bleak river]

I'm busy watching kaguya :|

[crystal heath]

oof

nvm

enjoy

[bleak river]

2 more ep until I'm caught up, but imma go to sleep XD

[unkempt oriole]

Tough choice

But diluc xingqiu seems feasible

The rest 2 slot can put an anemo and flex unit

Or u can save xingqiu for Raiden national

[bleak river]

Tasecrose is calling out to me

[unkempt oriole]

And just do a diluc kaeya jean flex

[unkempt oriole]

I think he wants to utilize diluc?

[bleak river]

Ik, I'm just sayin

[unkempt oriole]

Ohh okay

Flex can even be albedo for the extra dmg

But it does fuck up the elemental reaction

[safe plinth]

T-T

[safe plinth]

ya but idk about flex unit

i was thinking either duo anemo or duo goe

[safe plinth]

no it doesnt

he doesnt like take out element or smth

i used diluc xingqiu albedo and noelle

it worked good

[unkempt oriole]

Interesting maybe I got it confused with zhongli

Since I run them both together

[unkempt oriole]

Well u have ur answers

Jean can take Noelles place if u want

While kaeya can swap xq sometimes

[bleak river]

Albedo does fk up reactions
Source: tao research

[unkempt oriole]

So I wasn't delusional?

[safe plinth]

but thats the thing tho like

[bleak river]

Nope, just if you line the timing up right you'll be fine XD

Or sth idk

[unkempt oriole]

Understandable

[bleak river]

Ye?

[unkempt oriole]

Well u can refer to this @safe plinth

Any combo is possible

Depending on whether u wanna melt or vape

Even diona might be a good choice

[safe plinth]

oh

wait what can i refer too

[bleak river]

Only for shield heal pls her cryo appl isn't enough to melt more than one or two hits

[safe plinth]

yup

diluc was my first 5 star dps thats why

[safe plinth]

ya she slow keaya and rosaria are the only fast one ig

[unkempt oriole]

That's why I said might 😂

[safe plinth]

nah man i just checked

i placed down albedos flower and hit an hilichurl with dilucs skill

he was still afflicted by pyro

[bleak river]

Well yes, but it did take pyro gauge away

[safe plinth]

but like problem is noelle isnt a good healer

[unkempt oriole]

Pyro from the grass burning or 😂

[bleak river]

Anyway elemental gauge theory blah blah blah

[unkempt oriole]

Well u have jean

[safe plinth]

diluc ig because he does vapourise in abyss as well

[unkempt oriole]

Slap a VV and brrr

[crystal heath]

better than hu tao though

[safe plinth]

then no resonance T-T

[crystal heath]

who keeps dying of corrosion

[safe plinth]

why u lie

[bleak river]

Can't do dmg when you're dead

[unkempt oriole]

U need geo resonance?

Why not just get a rainbow resonance

[safe plinth]

ya i mean its one of the best one out there

[wheat ridge]

[unkempt oriole]

its not bad too

[wheat ridge]

[crystal heath]

lol

XD

[safe plinth]

ya it is not bad

but like 20%dmg boost sounds impressive

but k will try that out

[crystal heath]

[wheat ridge]

[safe plinth]

and then what stat should i focus on

[crystal heath]

[safe plinth]

em or atk ?

[unkempt oriole]

Well a jean gets u heals and buff

[wheat ridge]

who are you?

[unkempt oriole]

It's comparable

[safe plinth]

face reveal ?

[bleak river]

(noelle shield uptime is terrible, so you'd have to rely on crystallise shields mostly)

[crystal heath]

who u

[crystal heath]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-memes-genshin-genshin-impact-gif-23819537

[safe plinth]

ya indeed

[wheat ridge]

your mom

[safe plinth]

but sad i wont get to use my venti T-T

[crystal heath]

gimme food then

XD

[river ore]

Jean

BURST SUPPORT 👍

Jean's Elemental Skill can be used to fling smaller mobs into the air to deal fall damage, and to stagger bigger ones. **Her healing scales with ATK.
**
**Regarding Weapon Choices:
Amenoma Kageuchi: This weapon can lower your ER% requirements from anywhere between ~150% to no additional ER% needed, depending on the number of stacks on the passive and the refinement of this weapon. As such, at higher refines / more stacks on the passive, this weapon can perform better than Skyward Blade, while at lower refines / less stacks, it can perform worse.
Freedom-Sworn: **The ranking here only assumes Jean's personal damage and not the utility it gives. If you want to furthermore buff your main DPS, you can give this sword to Jean as she can trigger Freedom-Sworn's skill relatively easily since Anemo is always trigger.
**Lion's Roar: **Depending on passive uptime, it can be ranked over Favonius Sword (at 50% uptime) and even Aquila **Favonia **(at 100% uptime).

**Regarding Artifact Sets:
Viridescent Venerer (4): **The bread and butter for Anemo characters in general, as it is commonly used for the 40% elemental resistance shred.
Noblesse Oblige (4): Another ther option for providing utilities to the team. This set gives a 20% partywide ATK boost after Jean casts her Elemental Burst.
**Ocean-Hued Clam (4): **The best set for Jean's personal damage, as the damage it deals scales with Jean's burst healing. However, because Jean's total damage output is on the low end, it is generally recommended to prioritize utility options such as Noblesse Oblige or Viridescent Venerer over this set.

Regarding Mainstat Choices:
Elemental Mastery should only be used when Jean is paired with Bennett, as her burst ticks will swirl the self applied Pyro from Bennett's burst, acting as a damage source and Pyro application. Because of this, high burst uptime is required and so weapons with EM and ER passives are preferred. **(Freedom Sworn, Skyward Blade, Favonius Sword, Sacrificial Sword, Iron Sting, Amenoma Kageuchi)
**
**Regarding Talent Priorities:
**If you prefer more damage than healing, prioritize Elemental Skill over Elemental Burst since it scales better.
For Support Jean, you can either go for more ATK for stronger heals, but relatively lower Burst uptime, or more ER for lower heals, but higher Burst uptime. Choosing between these two is up to personal preference, although if another Anemo character is on the team, Jean has very little energy problem and can potentially go full Sub DPS build.

MAIN STATS

Sands: ATK% / Energy Recharge / Elemental Mastery
Goblet: Anemo Damage / Elemental Mastery
Circlet: Crit Rate / DMG / Elemental Mastery

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. ATK%
3. Energy Recharge
4. Elemental Mastery
5. Flat ATK

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Burst = Skill

WEAPON

1. Primordial Jade Cutter (5★)
2. Mistsplitter Reforged (5★)
3. Summit Shaper [S5] (5★)
4. Skyward Blade (5★)
5. Festering Desire [R5] (4★)
6. Amenoma Kageuchi (4★)
7. Freedom-Sworn (5★)
8. Aquila Favonia (5★)
9. Favonius Sword (4★)
10. The Flute (4★)
11. Lion's Roar (4★)
12. Blackcliff Longsword (4★)
13. Fillet Blade (3★)

ARTIFACT

1. Viridescent Venerer (4)
2. Noblesse Oblige (4)
3. Ocean-Hued Clam (4)
4. Viridescent Venerer (2) +18% ATK Set (2)
5. Viridescent Venerer (2) Emblem of Severed Fate (2)
6. Emblem of Severed Fate (4)
7. Choose 2: Noblesse Oblige (2) / Viridescent Venerer (2) / +18% ATK Set (2)

[unkempt oriole]

U can refer to this

For building jean

[safe plinth]

i just need a better team for like floor 11 or 12

[wheat ridge]

[safe plinth]

i can just 6 star 11 and 1 to 0 star 12 floor

[safe plinth]

oh sure thanks

[unkempt oriole]

Basically anemo unit won't go wrong with VV

But whether em or atk/crit depends on the kit

U don't use jean for swirl dmg

[safe plinth]

ya but cant use my venti tho T-T

[unkempt oriole]

So yes go atk for heals

[crystal heath]

[safe plinth]

indeed swirl cant crit as well

[bleak river]

unless sunfire

[unkempt oriole]

TRUE

[wheat ridge]

you good bruh?

[unkempt oriole]

But again his Bennett bound to national so..

[bleak river]

But benny is taken by raiden ye

[unkempt oriole]

Not considering that yea

[bleak river]

Cap you can take it to general yea?

[unkempt oriole]

So yea diluc cryo/hydro jean albedo

Sounds great

Thanks to albedo u have shield drops too

[bleak river]

Paper shields, but shields nonetheless

[unkempt oriole]

Enough to negate cc😂

[bleak river]

Nice superarmour*

[crystal heath]

who?

[bleak river]

You and firing XD

[unkempt oriole]

Well 2 sec per paper shield

Cant complain

The uptime is almost 100%

Unless you're facing FAT boss like azhada

Then rip crystals

[bleak river]

Or just boss in general

[crystal heath]

https://tenor.com/view/5quid-quid-gif-20936972

[unkempt oriole]

I only find trouble pickup shield when doing azhada 😭

The others are slim enough

[safe plinth]

indeed

but mostly just using it for like

abyss

overworld diluc national is the best

just venti instead of sucrose

[unkempt oriole]

Nice

Yea venti with pyro does tons of dmg

[humble pecan]

Venti + Diluc comps are the best

[bleak river]

I meant like they trample all over your flower

[stable fjord]

Morgan a>

[humble pecan]

My overworld team is Venti, Diluc, Miko, and Bennett and they kill everything pretty easily

[stable fjord]

Sounds saucy

[unkempt oriole]

That's true too 😭

But good thing his CD is low enough

[native mulch]

would 2pc glad and 2pc noblesse work for a burst dps chongyun;o;??

[unkempt oriole]

It could work

Could consider 2 pc bs instead of 2pc glad too

[native mulch]

would blizzard be better:0?? since its his burst

[unkempt oriole]

Mostly standard pairing is NO + any elemental 2 piece

If you don't need a full set

But yes glad works too if u want to

It's up to what's more available for you as well

[dim drift]

Hey guys, any advanced tips?

[unkempt oriole]

Looks decent bro

How's the energy in ur team rotation

[dim drift]

well I'm a new Ayaka main, I did manage to clear f12 easily with her but in terms of energy it

is okay if playing with other cryo

like Diona or rosy

but I'm still not used to play her

cuz i keep miss her burst a lot

[unkempt oriole]

It's alright tho

The burst is common issue

Cuz long animation

It's normal to miss it

[unkempt oriole]

Sounds good then

[tame abyss]

My Baal build is 64cr 156cd 257er

My highest amount of dmg With her ult is 100k with vv and Bennett buffs

Her base atk is 1600 and is 2400 with Bennett buff

I'm using sunfire raiden and am planning to get Kazuha to replace Jean

How can I boost my dmg even more

?

[idle granite]

which weapon are you using for her? and what is her sands and goblet main stat?

[tame abyss]

Electro dmg on goblet

Er sands

[idle granite]

weapon?

[tame abyss]

Skyward

[idle granite]

okay

[ocean ember]

I'd switch sands for ATK one

[idle granite]

mainly its wanting to have an attack goblet or attack sands can boost damage since too much ER can reduce damage and since she has a lot bonus electro damage an electro goblet can reduce damage

[ocean ember]

Yeah, either ATK sands with electro goblet or ER sands with ATK goblet

[tame abyss]

I would have 206 er if I used an atk sands

[ocean ember]

The former is usually better for Catch (or any ER weapon that isn't EL) and the second one for EL

[tame abyss]

I don't have any good atk goblets

[ocean ember]

206% is still decent imo, but if you can, I'd try to get an ATK sands with an ER sub

[idle granite]

this is mine for reference

[tame abyss]

I have a good off piece atk sands

Should I use the catch for the extra 12er

[ocean ember]

Depends on what team you're using Raiden in

If you use XL, I'd recommend leaving Catch on her

[tame abyss]

I haven't touched her

[ocean ember]

But if you don't, def put Catch on Raiden

[tame abyss]

With the atk sands?

[ocean ember]

Yeah, imo that'd work

Ultimately, do damage tests

[tame abyss]

Alright

Thanks for your help

Both of you.

[unkempt oriole]

Honestly u don't need that much er

So if you pump those into attack u prolly get more dmg

With engulfing u can push for 240+

But with others, above 200 is ideal enough

For instance I run mine with atk% electro% +skyward spine
2k base dmg without Bennett
Deals about 130k with Bennett

Truthfully speaking not the best build but it's better than overloading er

[modern raven]

Does 2 glad 2 vv is better than 4 vv for xiao?

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 4

[ocean ember]

He doesn't swirl at all, so yeah

[unkempt oriole]

^

He does (?) Just he doesn't infuse the elements (iirc)

So yea there's really no point for 4pc vv

[modern raven]

Okay.. Great..

[unkempt oriole]

Interestingly kqm does suggest 4pc vv

[fleet knot]

yeah as a support xiao

hes uh

kinda mid, so using him as a support for other units, like raiden, can turn out to be "his" strongest teams

when in reality its just a cope raiden team with xiao shoehorned in

[modern raven]

does albedo can be battery to?

[fleet knot]

not really

[unkempt oriole]

I see

Albedo can't battery

But albedo is often used with zhongli along with Xiao as the geo resonance and extra dps

Hence why it's understood as support with zhongli

[modern raven]

Okay..

[unkempt oriole]

Ideally u bring at least a shielder support for xiao due to his ult making him paper thin

[modern raven]

Yes..xiao so fragile.. Like glass cannon

[unkempt oriole]

Yep, can't stress the amount of times I died in abyss helping a friend with Xiao 💀

[modern raven]

Try 2 vv 2 glad..the damage greater compare with 4 vv

[ocean ember]

Wait, where? That image you posted wasn't KQM afaik, and KQM's infographic is a bit outdated and only lists 2p VV + 2p ATK

[ruby warren]

Clean setup

[unkempt oriole]

https://keqingmains.com/xiao/

Here u go

[modern raven]

Thanks bro..

[ocean ember]

Ahhh the conditional alsdkjald

[unkempt oriole]

That's a nice 60k plunge

There's some 77k too

[ocean ember]

You could probably be dealing more damage, as it seems those plunges are low plunges

[unkempt oriole]

Still those are some decent dmg tho

[ocean ember]

Yee

60ks per plunge aren't common

[unkempt oriole]

It's with homa too

Not pjws

[ocean ember]

Just caught my attention that as far as I could see those were low plunges

But idk alsdkja maybe I'm wrong, maybe those were high plunges right at the limit

[unkempt oriole]

A bit hard to tell xD

[modern raven]

I think 77k already high plunge..

Just try again with high plunge 77-78K..low plunge aroun 60k

[unkempt oriole]

I see

[modern raven]

4vv build not bad also... I wonder does xiao able to utilize swirl and 4 vv set effects?

2 gladi 2 vv

4 vv

I try to compare with equal stat..but 2 gladi gives more atk.

[ocean ember]

4p VV will mostly benefit his teammates, not him

Most of his damage is anemo, swirl is negligible for him

I'd stay with first, better stats overall, though both are lacking ER

Specially considering you're not running a battery for him

[modern raven]

Okay...👍

[unkempt oriole]

Yep, Xiao requires more atk crt cdm

Swirling requires u to stack em to be effective

Not exactly viable (for xiao)

[bleak river]

tankfei w/o any artifact set bonuses

[unkempt oriole]

Demmm

[bleak river]

not enough er :|

needs 2pc emblem

[unkempt oriole]

Wait u C4 already?

[bleak river]

nope

still c3

[modern raven]

how much ideal HP and ER that tankfei needed?

[still swallow]

5 straight crit plunges with that crit chance. your luck chance must be really high

[still swallow]

25-30k HP is okay and 250 ER if running ttds/favonius/r1 amber. 200-220er if R5 amber

you can do 2p emblem 2p tenacity

[modern raven]

Hahahah.. Im not realized it.. For me crt min 55 still confidence...

[modern raven]

Okay..

[gritty tusk]

Spiral Abyss 2.6 Floor 12 - 9⭐| Arataki Itto DPS & Kazuha Combo & C3 Raiden National Team Comp
https://youtu.be/6oZiLn6xuu0

[worn forge]

Initially farmed this set to have fun with c2 amber but then i remembered c6 ningguang and gave it to her
Now she can already do 56k with 8/11/11 talents, unbuilt yun jin, unbuilt yanfei with thrilling tales of dragon slayers and bennett with 4pc noblesse

[unkempt oriole]

sick sick

[tender agate]

is unforged good for anyone?

[lime oar]

eula

maybe

[urban plaza]

Noelle
Beidou

[native mulch]

would r5 sac or unforged be better for burst dps chongyun:'>??

[river ore]

@native mulch has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[native mulch]

(2pc blizzard 2pc noblesse)

[dim drift]

I do not play Chongyun but according of what I know you may be better go with Luxurious Sealord if you have it

the unforged is clearly for a dps character

to activate its passive

while sac is better for melt enabler

[tender agate]

would it be better using unforged with a normal claymore user and a shielder together?

i guess its only noelle who has shield among claymore users

would it still trigger the passive if i use zhongli's shield with someone else?

[bleak river]

I'm p sure that's a yes

Beidou also has a shield with consts

[urban plaza]

Her shield is cons gated?

I had no idea

Ah C1

[grand kestrel]

pretty sure the unforged was designed to be used by non-shielder, also why is everyone forgetting Xinyan? Technically Itto can also generate shields because Geo.

[tender agate]

oh i forgot xinyan since i main yoimiya and don't have itto TvT

i have wgs though, is there anyone who's better with unforged than wgs?

[bleak river]

Xinyan shield uptime is yikes tho (cuz it breaks so damn fast)

[grand kestrel]

no

I've never had a problem with Xinyan shield uptime. Still better than Thoma.

[bleak river]

They both break when a fly so much as gets close

But then again the fly would be incinerated

[tender agate]

what team is good for xinyan btw 🤨

[grand kestrel]

I mean, there aren't a whole lot of native shields to compare with, she's definitely not Zhongli. All said though, I have not had any issues with her shield breaking when I played her regularly (which has been a while)

[bleak river]

That's interesting

How much def you have on her XD

[grand kestrel]

right now nothing, I stripped everyone I'm not using regularly of arties.

[tender agate]

cool, how did u build her

[bleak river]

Just an estimation in the thousands?

[grand kestrel]

like I said, it's been a while 😛

gimme a minute

[tender agate]

which is better for xinyan, unforged or wolfs gravestone?

[grand kestrel]

WGS is going to be better in general for just about any GS character

[bleak river]

Yep

[tender agate]

GS? :v

[bleak river]

Greatsword

[tender agate]

oh

[grand kestrel]

with incomplete arties she's at 1200, I imagine if I maxed them out I could easily hit 2k, though really that's not necessary, with bolide and C2 she can keep her shield up pretty easy.

[bleak river]

ehhh

[grand kestrel]

I'm not sure what you're showing.

[bleak river]

Shield health

Prob should have specified earlier

[grand kestrel]

that's what I thought you were showing, but I wasn't sure

[bleak river]

Fair

[grand kestrel]

I'm not sure what defender's will brings to the table

[bleak river]

Me neither

Just a post I saw

[grand kestrel]

ah

well tenacity gives 30% but you can get that straight up with Bolide, so

[bleak river]

Hmmm

Bolide gives 35%

[grand kestrel]

so you get 5% extra 😛

[ocean ember]

You forgot Thoma :P I'm not 100% sure but I believe Thoma is second on shield health and uptime, after Zhongli

I've felt his uptime is higher than Diona's, but not 100% sure

[unkempt oriole]

I think thoma's uptime is reliant on his er

[ocean ember]

Ye, that's true

Though I have no idea what Xinyan's shield uptime is so she might have higher uptime than Thoma, though her shield I'm p sure shouldn't be stronger than his

[limpid urchin]

Zhongli Daddy carries

[grand kestrel]

her shield is stronger than his, but his stacks over time.

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Shields/Comparison This is way more helpful.

[thorny dagger]

Team comps for next rotation?

my chars

[wheat solstice]

im not an expert at this stuff but i would say vape klee with sucrose for the first half and just your strongest characters for the second, like raiden

again, you should probably ask someone else, im not the best at team comp stuff

[lime oar]

i agree with this
but didn't venti would be greater at cc than sucrose?

[wheat solstice]

yeah, sry i didn't see venti before 😅

[lime oar]

you can bring
xiao klee xingqiu venti

[wheat solstice]

maybe replace xingqiu with a tartaglia burst support, but xingqiu might be better

[lime oar]

why you need venti?
cause 6 whopper flowers is the most annoying opponent if you let them spread around arena

[lime oar]

true

[wheat solstice]

for the vv 4-set bonus

question

[lime oar]

as for the rotation
use xingqiu skill>burst
venti burst>skill
xiao sing sing burst

[wheat solstice]

can whopperflower be sucked in by venti burst?

[lime oar]

ahahaha

[wheat solstice]

lol

[lime oar]

yeah they can

[wheat solstice]

mk

[lime oar]

i always bring venti on 12-2
this phase

[lime oar]

the geo wave is one thing you need to concerned about
cause you don't have shielder

[bleak river]

They come to you anyway

[wheat solstice]

yea i thought abt that

[lime oar]

no, when they entering shield

and start to shooting you

you can't pull them with venti

[bleak river]

Right

[ocean ember]

I'm talking about his shield with stacks ofc, maybe not full stacks but close to that.

[ocean ember]

Unfortunate it doesn't show a direct comparison relative to strength. It shows scalings, but yeah. x'D

[ocean ember]

Xiao can't hit mobs in Venti's burst

[ocean ember]

Also Klee can't really run vape, even XQ can't keep up with her pyro application

[wheat solstice]

true

i don't have klee but im saving for her so idrk her playstyle

[bleak river]

Was tempted to say yoimiya fireworks but first half I'd more multi target

So maybe 2nd half?

[wheat solstice]

2nd half just needs pure power

[humble pecan]

His skill can if you jump

[bleak river]

But his dmg is from burst plunges

So eh

[wheat solstice]

ig so

[ocean ember]

I'd say Raiden National on first and Yoi vape but both require XQ and you don't have Yun Jin built (also seems like no Zhongli, though Diona could suffice tbh)

[wheat solstice]

i love how there's 5 people tryna help this one person who hasn't responded yet lol

[humble pecan]

Lol

[bleak river]

Xq could be replaced with venti on first half tbh

[ocean ember]

Yeah, but imo not worth to force Venti with Xiao still. Unless you have Xiao C6 that is. xD

[ocean ember]

True, or maybe a Raiden hypercarry could work as well, so something like Mona, Sucrose and Bennett ig

[bleak river]

Childe national on first half is also kinda valid?

[humble pecan]

True ig, plus xiao's skill is low priority anyways lol

[ocean ember]

I'd suggest Ganyu (either freeze or melt), but 12-2-1 says no to that xD

[wheat solstice]

yeah i'd agree with that

[ocean ember]

Ohhh yeah, that'd work

Idk if Childe melee can hit opponents in Venti's burst though, and taking Sucrose would leave Yoi with basically either Jean or Venti as VV

Jean could work, but that'd be double defensive characters with the shield

[bleak river]

Hmm

Ic no shields there XD

[ocean ember]

I gueeess they could take no shield, but vape Yoi relies on finishing the AA string

[ocean ember]

Diona

[wheat solstice]

i think it should be first half: tartaglia, sucrose, xiangling, bennett
second half: yoi, xq, venti, diona??

[ocean ember]

Yoi would be XQ, Diona, Jean

[bleak river]

Diona is lvl 40 XD

[ocean ember]

Best would be Zhongli but yeah

[wheat solstice]

maybe noelle??

[ocean ember]

They could level her up a bit

[wheat solstice]

i mean im running a noelle support lol

[ocean ember]

Nooe

Noelle as support is not good

[wheat solstice]

ik

[ocean ember]

Shield uptime is bad

[wheat solstice]

but like

i don't have zhongli and my second half is morgana

[ocean ember]

Venti is less than ideal on second half, since it's mostly bosses

[ocean ember]

They can run Diona though

[wheat solstice]

but 4 piece vv and the dmg

[ocean ember]

Damage would be low considering it's single target

Swirl needs several mobs to do good damage, so imo Sucrose or Jean would be better

[wheat solstice]

yeah i said this, correct me if im wrong

[ocean ember]

Idk if Childe can hit stuff on Venti's burst, but if he can, Venti would be best in first half

[wheat solstice]

ig replace venti with jean

childe national and vape yoi w/ jean

[bleak river]

Xl can't hit stuff in venti burst if it's sucked way up

[wheat solstice]

yeah but sucrose is good

[ocean ember]

Now idk if XQ's stagger reduction would be enough, but if it is, Yoi would be best with XQ, Yun Jin (they'd have to build her ofc) and Jean, specially if Jean is C2

[ocean ember]

Ah damn

[wheat solstice]

ig so

[ocean ember]

Then yeah, it'd have to be Sucrose

[wheat solstice]

but what abt shield

[ocean ember]

She is, but she'd be better second half

[ocean ember]

That's why I mentioned XQ

[wheat solstice]

ig so

dang, team comps are difficult

[ocean ember]

Eh, I enjoy it

Though in any case, Venti is not of much use in general next rotation

[bleak river]

I personally am gonna run rational and ayaka mono cryo for the next patch abyss

[ocean ember]

I'd suggest Ayaka mono cryo as well, but no Shenhe it seems xD

[bleak river]

Ayaka ganyu diona anemo would prob work as well

[wheat solstice]

personally, im rlly bad at spiral abyss so i only do floor 9 and 10

i think im no help xD

[ocean ember]

No idea what I'll run on my main rn, as Ayaka won't work first half and haven't been able to build Childe to run international lmao. Hu Tao on second half for sure though.

On my side, probs Yoi overload and Hu Tao second half.

[ocean ember]

Oh, that could work, yeah

[bleak river]

I could run tao on second half, if tankfei comes to me before then

[ocean ember]

Oop xD

[wheat solstice]

im personally doing hu tao, xq, yun jin and noelle for first half before u say anything ik noelle is terrible but i don't have zhongli and my second half is morgana

[lime oar]

oops my bad, i don't know about this

[wheat solstice]

can xiao burst hit thunderbird?

[ocean ember]

I may run Ayaka regardless and maybe redo 12-2 with something else, or even maybe run her with Bennett and pray it's enough to shred through the cryo shields lmao.

[bleak river]

Noelle is a decent budget option to force double geo

[ocean ember]

Oh, you'll try F12 this time?

[wheat solstice]

wdym?

ohh

maybe

[lime oar]

he can, but like immune or smth

[ocean ember]

Those infographics are for F12

[wheat solstice]

im not sure

my hu tao is rlly bad

like- rlly rlly bad

you don't even wanna know

[ocean ember]

Swirl would be immune, not his actual damage

[wheat solstice]

i figured

[bleak river]

Mhmm

[lime oar]

I'm trying to kill that thing with my plunge
ended die

ahahahaha

[grand kestrel]

yeah Xiao is one of the few anemo that's actually decent against thunderbird.

[ocean ember]

Well, back then, my first F12 clear (3* though) was with a terrible Hu Tao on a rainbow set lmao

[wheat solstice]

no like that's not wut i mean

[lime oar]

in the end i only using his skill and basic atk

[grand kestrel]

immune critters really screw swirl

[wheat solstice]

like my hu tao terrible bc it's 170% crit dmg and 35% crit rate

[ocean ember]

My Hu Tao was worse xD

[lime oar]

just use white tassel

[wheat solstice]

true

[river ore]

@wheat solstice has leveled up to LEVEL 4

[grand kestrel]

salmon tassel

[ocean ember]

But yeah, you need to give her a crit rate circlet

[lime oar]

im using that weapon
and got stat like
74/164

[wheat solstice]

but then crit dmg would drop to 110%

[lime oar]

4 crimson

[wheat solstice]

i use that

4 crimson

[lime oar]

then you need to reroll ur artifact

[ocean ember]

Crit rate up of at least 70% >> crit damage

[wheat solstice]

yea

[ocean ember]

Doesn't matter if you have 300% CDMG if you barely ever crit

[wheat solstice]

true

my artifact rolls are rlly bad

[lime oar]

what you should focus on her stat is
hp
atk(if possible)
em(if u play with elemental react)
cr/cd

[wheat solstice]

i have dragons bane though

[lime oar]

if u want use dragon bane
then u need to balance her crit dmg and crit rate

[wheat solstice]

is that in order of priority?

[grand kestrel]

1% crit rate, 3000% CD XD

[ocean ember]

ATK is honestly not that good on Tao. Not terrible, but def not something to focus on.

[lime oar]

hp and crit is the priority

[ocean ember]

EM to 200 > crit > HP > EM

[ocean ember]

Retry abyss 1k times for that perfect run xD

[ocean ember]

Since you have DB, it's be crit > HP > EM

ER is also not terrible but not something to focus on

[lime oar]

white tassel

deathmatch

[ocean ember]

You're really lacking EM

[lime oar]

55k per charged atk melt

[ocean ember]

Running her with Sucrose and someone on Instructor's would help but yeah

The usual minimum EM for her is 200

That'd be higher with more EM

[lime oar]

you know crimson has given 40% additional dmg toward melt and vapo

[ocean ember]

It's 15%

[lime oar]

is that so?

[ocean ember]

40% is for overload

[lime oar]

ahahahah sorry

but I'm too lazy to refarm

[ocean ember]

Rn I'm doing 68k with Sucrose and Thoma (that was without Instructor's though, haven't tested with it yet on Sucrose team, only Kazuha's), lemme grab my build

[lime oar]

as long as i can kill the enemy
i don't have problem with her stat rn

ahahahah

[ocean ember]

No buffs at all (she wasn't on the party, so no pyro res, being under 50%, DM passive, etc)

[lime oar]

how did u get the em stat so much like that

i never got one

only hp% hp+ cd/cr

[ocean ember]

As for my side, 4p CW (judging by pyro bonus, she was on the party and under 50%, so pyro res and DM passive buff). There she's doing around 63k per charged iirc.

[ocean ember]

Lucky I guess alsjdal

Tbh, both could still see some work, plus levelling to 90, but yeah

[lime oar]

how much charge atk that you can do without c1?

[river ore]

@lime oar has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[ocean ember]

I plan to get Homa, but luckily I do have a decent crit rate circlet with CDMG on both accounts

[bleak river]

8N2CJs, I don't rmb about N1CJs

[ocean ember]

I don't have C1, and C1 doesn't give her a bonus on her charged attack

[lime oar]

no stamina consumed

[ocean ember]

So still, 68k on main (4p SR), and around 63k on side (4p CW)

Ahhh, you meant how many

Sorry lmao

[bleak river]

I'm at 72k on 4shim XD

[wheat solstice]

this is what i call perfection.

[ocean ember]

Nice aljdalksd

[bleak river]

Still without my pyro gob

[ocean ember]

I have no idea how much currently though, since I switched Thoma to Instructor's, but have only done tests with Kazuha, not Sucrose

[wheat solstice]

how do you get perfect artifact rolls, what's your secret?

[lime oar]

consistent

[bleak river]

here's mine

[ocean ember]

Tbh, goblet at circlet could see upgrades, but I stopped farming CW already (after more than 3 months lmao) and I plan to switch her to Homa eventually, so no need for another CDMG circlet

[lime oar]

uhh

[ocean ember]

Farm for months

[wheat solstice]

my artifacts suck

[ocean ember]

That's a whole bunch of EM laskjdla

[bleak river]

It is XD

[wheat solstice]

i keep getting def/def%, hp, flat atk, instead of crit, em, atk% or hp%

[bleak river]

But I'm going for homa next time

[lime oar]

im suck at getting god tier stat

[wheat solstice]

same

[ocean ember]

I think I can reach around 350-400 considering Sucrose and Instructor's (though haven't checked on my main, on my side it's around that iirc), but my Sucrose needs a lot of work still xD

[ocean ember]

I'm pretty sure I foddered tonnes of those xD

[wheat solstice]

yeah

[bleak river]

According to GO, the cr circ with 25.6cd is worse so :/

[ocean ember]

Damn alskdjal

Guessing on set?

But yeah, the marvels of EM

And damn, you also managed to get over 30k HP xD

[bleak river]

Yep onset

[ocean ember]

Damn, that's a nice one

[bleak river]

Hp goblet…
Still waiting for that pyro

[ocean ember]

Ahhhh true

That goblet is cracked though

What are you gonna do with it when you take it off Hu Tao?

[bleak river]

Also correction since my dbane is only lvl80, dmg is 69.7k

[bleak river]

Hmm I wonder

I'll keep it

[ocean ember]

I guess Zhongli could make use of it but yeah

Unfortunately not many chars rn that could

[lime oar]

did hu tao need pyro goblet?

[bleak river]

these two pieces of shit

[ocean ember]

Yelan maybe, but I'm guessing hydro is still better for her

[ocean ember]

Yeah

Basically all dmg units need their corresponding elemental goblet

[lime oar]

hmm

[ocean ember]

Raiden is an exception

[bleak river]

Or physical

[ocean ember]

Damn lmao

[ocean ember]

I also meant physical, but yeah xD

[lime oar]

what about def?

[bleak river]

?

[lime oar]

what character that need def goblet?

[ocean ember]

Yun Jin

That's pretty much it ig

[bleak river]

And idk about gorou

[ocean ember]

Gorou can make use of it if C4

But under C4 it doesn't really matter, all he wants is 4p Exile

[lime oar]

tell me how to get god tier artifact

[bleak river]

Time

[ocean ember]

A lot of time, yeah

[lime oar]

i always got the suck one
and ended stop farming

ahahaha

[ocean ember]

I think the average farming time to get a good enough set is like 2-3 months

[lime oar]

and then using alternative build

[ocean ember]

Of only farming one domain that is, if we're talking about a 4p

[lime oar]

anyway, thanks for the information

I'll try to rebuild my hu tao
maybe

[ocean ember]

Gl with that if you do! CW is a pain xD

[lime oar]

true lol

i always get the pyro res

[ocean ember]

At least LW can be used on mono pyro teams, so there's that

On the other hand, VV domain is just awful

Maiden's have 0 use at all

[bleak river]

Mono pyro is basically only klee XD

[ocean ember]

Really hoping we end up getting a strongbox for VV

[ocean ember]

True, but it's usable aljsdalkd

Also I wouldn't recommend it, as I imagine it only works good enough on really high investment or cons and refinements, but yeah, some people run mono pyro with other characters xD

Usually see Bennett, XL, Hu Tao and Kazuha, Hu Tao being the one that may vary

[modern raven]

Whaat goblet that best for raiden?

[bleak river]

Atk for catch, electro/atk for EL (depending on subs)

[modern raven]

Which do y’all think is better

[unkempt oriole]

current

[humble pecan]

First one for childe, the second one can be for yelan if you get her

[river ore]

@humble pecan has leveled up to LEVEL 16

[ocean ember]

First one, but I advice switching it to a hydro one when you can

Main stats >> sub stats in most situations, and Childe has no use for HP

[modern raven]

Ah ok Ty

[modern raven]

Also don’t ask why sara is using it, just keeping it on her for a while, don’t use her tho.

[fleet knot]

its wrong on step 1 for me

i use bennett and sara and atk timepiece still >

[bronze lark]

do u guys know how to build ayaka for beginners?

[unkempt oriole]

@bronze lark try /genshin ayaka in #🤖・bot-spam

[bronze lark]

ok thxx

[unkempt oriole]

just note that its recommendations only, its better that u work with what you have

so u dont suffer from burn out

it's more to a guideline to make a good build

[bronze lark]

okk

[modern raven]

Horrible CRIT stats

Tell me what I’m missing besides CRIT tho

[bleak river]

Other than crit it looks fine

[unkempt oriole]

Why do u have healing bonus

[bleak river]

Hydro reso prob

[gritty tusk]

Spiral Abyss 2.6 Floor 12 - 9⭐| C0 Diluc x C0 Ayato Husbando Comp & Vape Melt C1 Hu Tao Comp
https://youtu.be/gUMnLAV81PQ

[bleak river]

Your ayato burst is doing as much as my E's NAs…

[modern raven]

Idk

[wispy thunder]

no one can use both

[thorny dagger]

thx guys, next abyss seems like a lot of retries

[smoky forge]

Is Sucrose viable at C0, i finally got her on a rando perm pull but haven't had the luck of getting any constellations

[ocean ember]

She's fine

Tbh her most relevant con is C1, which gives her an extra charged for her E, but she's fine without it

In some comps she doesn't even want to ult

But then again, depends on what you wanna do with her

[ebon ginkgo]

messing with my raiden build cause i just got a new artifact

i think that this current flower is slightly better but my testing might be a little wacky, im gonna try at full resolve stacks now

[ocean ember]

If you have Catch, I'd go with the right one

Iiirc you already have over 250% which is more than enough for Catch, though if you have EL, probs the left one

Though even with EL, I may still go with the right one if your CDMG is on the lower side

But ultimately

Nothing beats in-game testing well done xD

[ebon ginkgo]

i did testing

[unkempt oriole]

yea just go to abyss for a slash

[ebon ginkgo]

the left one is so slightly better its laughable but its still better

[unkempt oriole]

raw dmg no buff

[ebon ginkgo]

2488
69931
9695
9610
10688
8181 + 8191
12888

2508
70259
9741
9655
10738
8220 + 8229
12948

[unkempt oriole]

wonders of er conversion

its also probably due to both share the same atk%

that's why the difference only lies in er% diff

[ebon ginkgo]

the damage different is within like 1%

so it doesnt really matter which i run

lemme see what my xiangling is looking like, ive been stealing from her for testing

[unkempt oriole]

ig u can pick whichever have more stats that benefits you if u cant decide

i would take left as most of the stats are helpful (wouldnt mind my raiden a bit thicc)

[ebon ginkgo]

ok so because i stole xianglings circlet she needs an on set sands now, which means imma just give her raidens old atk sands but that leaves her er pretty low so in a practical team im gonna run the left flower on xiangling and the right one on raiden for even stat distribution between the two

this isnt great but its workable

she has almost 22k hp lmao

we do a little bit of homa trolling

[daring onyx]

Hii I was wondering if a party set up with Itto, C4 gorou, Yunjin, and Noelle(maybe geo traveler or Ningguang idk whose better) would be good???

And what sets maybe :0

[ocean ember]

Sounds fine enough, though I'd put Ningg or Traveller over Noelle there

It's usually either Itto or Noelle, not both at the same time

[ebon ginkgo]

i personally wouldnt use yunjin with itto since most of his damage is CA not NA

[daring onyx]

Which one would be better?

[ocean ember]

Ningg could do support

You could also put Bennett instead of Yun Jin

And just do sub dps Ningg

[ebon ginkgo]

if you wanna embrace geo supremacy i would put noelle and yunjin together on a separate team and itto gorou ningguang on another

[daring onyx]

I wanted some sort of sheild but that's cool 👍👍👍

[ocean ember]

As for sets, 4p Husk for most

Gorou does 4p Exile

[daring onyx]

Okayy who else for Noelle and Yunjin tho incase I do that

[ocean ember]

Noelle is not that good for shielding

Also 4p Husk for both

[ebon ginkgo]

as for builds, itto is just 4p husk if you can get it, gorou is good with standard noblesse although 4p exile is good too, ningguang for sub dps i think is better with 4p noblesse or 2p noblesse/2p archaic? i run her as main idk too much about sub

[ocean ember]

Not sure about Ningg, she's probs 2p Petra and 2p ATK

[ebon ginkgo]

any character that can generate a lot of energy

[daring onyx]

Idk who that includes

[ebon ginkgo]

do you have albedo?

[ocean ember]

I'm assuming no Albedo nor Zhongli

[daring onyx]

Neither of them :(

[ocean ember]

Geo traveller could suffice

[ebon ginkgo]

unfortunate

yeah geo mc works in that case

[ocean ember]

And probs Bennett with her over with Itto if Gorou's with Itto

[ebon ginkgo]

^ that or an anemo unit for cc

[ocean ember]

Even more so if their Noelle is under C6

Eh, I think the only anemo I'd consider there is Jean but her CC is almost non-existent lmao

Xingqiu could be pretty fine

[ebon ginkgo]

i was thinking maybe sucrose for cc but bennett is probably a better choice

[ocean ember]

Yeah, neither VV nor her EM share do nothing over there

[ebon ginkgo]

sucrose simply cause of her particle gen with sac frags

[ocean ember]

And Noelle has good range anyways so imo CC is not thaat important

[ebon ginkgo]

fair enough

[ocean ember]

I guess C1 Sucrose with frags could help, but I'd imagine Geo Traveller is maybe enough? If not, I'd probably just slap 4p Exile on him xD

[ebon ginkgo]

if yunjin has fav lance i think geo mc would suffice

[ocean ember]

Ah, yeah, good point

[ebon ginkgo]

so heres what you got:
Team 1:
Itto : 4p husk
Gorou : 4p husk / 4p exile
Ningguang : 2p archaic + 2p noblesse

Team 2:
Noelle : (is 4p husk worth here?)
Yunjin : 4p husk
Geo Traveler : 2p archaic + 2p atk
Bennett : 4p noblesse

my personal recommendation for the last slot of team 1 would be diona if you dont have zhongli

[daring onyx]

Aighttt

Any idea for a kokomi related team? Or a venti one maybe?

[ebon ginkgo]

why not both in one 🙂

kokomi venti fischl beidou would be fun

[daring onyx]

Would both of them and rosaria be good?

Idk who else to include

[ebon ginkgo]

kokomi venti rosaria? it would work yeah but im not too familiar with kokomi freeze teams

[daring onyx]

How so 🤔

[ebon ginkgo]

youd want a second cryo if you wanted to run rosaria

[daring onyx]

Rosarias ult and kokomis jellyfish pulse at the same time so it's good I hear👍

[ebon ginkgo]

if you dont have other cryos then kaeya works, but if you wanted to run a ganyu or ayaka that would work too

[daring onyx]

I have chongyun?

And Diona ofc

[ebon ginkgo]

chongyun is counterintuitive to freeze teams

because he uses a claymore he shatters frozen enemies

[daring onyx]

Plus Aloy but like Idk anything about her

Ohhh

[ebon ginkgo]

its completely up to how you wanna play but i wouldnt do a freeze team with kokomi unless you have ayaka or ganyu as well

[daring onyx]

What if you just attack with somebody else after his cryo circles down?

Ugh if only I got Ganyu :(((

[ebon ginkgo]

if you wanted to you could run something like kokomi venti rosaria xingqiu? i think that would work well too

[daring onyx]

Oo

Yayaya

Idea that's probably awful

C1 Beidou
C4 Kaeya
Kokomi
Rosaria

[ebon ginkgo]

i wouldnt run beidou in that team

you want to try to focus on only one hydro-based reaction, but having beidou would cause both freeze and electro charged

[daring onyx]

It's only for the occasional electro (I'm assuming she can somewhat mix in when she casts the sheild)

[ebon ginkgo]

you could swap beidou out for venti or xingqiu and i think it would work better

[ocean ember]

I personally wouldn't recommend 4p husk on Gorou, if not 4p Exile, I'd go something like 4p Noblesse or something. Other than that, agreed.

[daring onyx]

Rq
Fischl + Chongyun? Or is that a really bad idea

Like the two of them with idk who else

[ebon ginkgo]

probably not terrible but i wouldnt recommend it?

[daring onyx]

It was a lil idea

[river ore]

@daring onyx has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[ebon ginkgo]

fischl is typically used where you want electro reactions to occur, so if youre using a physical dps and want superconduct or a hydro dps and want electro charged

[ocean ember]

I'd go Kaeya, Chongyun, Venti, Koko, but idk how well Kaeya'd reach stuff on Venti's burst

You usually don't want electro and cryo together unless you're using a physical carry

Aka Razor or Eula

[ebon ginkgo]

also damn bro you got C4 kaeya? wanna hand some over

[daring onyx]

I don't even have razor 😭😭

[ebon ginkgo]

im on day 580 with zero kaeya cons 😭

[ocean ember]

Also yeah gettting starter cons is so rare xD

I was lucky and got C2 Kaeya on both accounts early on

[daring onyx]

I wanna build kaeya bit idk who he goes with <\3

[ocean ember]

But still stuck on C2 Kaeya till this day

Kaeya goes well with Chongyun

[daring onyx]

I have c1 for everybody else I think

[ocean ember]

Add hydro, add anemo with VV, and he's good to go

[ocean ember]

Another cryo can go well too, just that Chongyun lets him be full cryo

[daring onyx]

Like who tho

[ocean ember]

Hydro? Both XQ and Koko are fine

[ebon ginkgo]

id recommend sucrose with kaeya

[ocean ember]

Anemo with VV I'd imagine anyone (wouldn't recommend Jean much unless you have no healing, but in that case, I'd go Diona; Venti idk if Kaeya can reach stuff on his ult)

[ebon ginkgo]

venti pulls enemies too high up, jean doesnt have that much cc, and kazuha is... MIA

[ocean ember]

I generally don't recommend Sucrose much for freeze unless you don't have anything else, but she works fine and at least has some CC

[daring onyx]

I have all anemos except Xiao and Kazuha

Grrr

[ocean ember]

Xiao is not a support so off-limits

[daring onyx]

Ye

[ebon ginkgo]

wym? xiao is the best anemo support lol

[daring onyx]

HDJENF

[ocean ember]

But yeah, Kazuha is the best freeze support, specially when Venti doesn't work due to pulling mobs too high

Lmao

[ebon ginkgo]

idk what youre doing, i give my xiao fav lance and 4p noblesse

[daring onyx]

Sobbing

[ocean ember]

Aaksdhakjdhj

[daring onyx]

I want kazuha so bad 😭

[ebon ginkgo]

soon

hopefully

[daring onyx]

I have no chance

[ebon ginkgo]

if you consider like

[unkempt oriole]

and by soon we mean whenever 2.8 came or something

[ebon ginkgo]

4 months to be "soon"

[daring onyx]

I'm going on 50/50 with really low pity and only 400 primos ....

I suck at saving up

[ebon ginkgo]

oh dont worry hes not coming that soon

hes not in 2.7 i can tell you that

[daring onyx]

Plus me wanting ittos weapon

And Xiao...😞

[unkempt oriole]

calm down my boi, u gotta pick one by one

[ebon ginkgo]

characters over weapons till you situated

[daring onyx]

I know ....

I tey

I tey

[unkempt oriole]

trying to get all together gonna get u burn out

[daring onyx]

HELP

I try

I'm already burnt out

[ocean ember]

Yeah, you have plenty of time to save for Kazuha

[daring onyx]

Way to late

[ocean ember]

He's def not coming 2.7, so he's first half of 2.8 the earliest

And there's also the delay so

[ebon ginkgo]

im still having an internal conflict about pulling ayaka or just keep saving for itto cons

[ocean ember]

Just don't pull until he comes xD

[daring onyx]

I wanna give my itto love and give him his weapon 😭

[ocean ember]

I'd only recommend pulling her if you enjoy freeze

[ocean ember]

You need 240 wishes to guarantee a weapon at the worst

[daring onyx]

I hate seeing him with white blind

[ebon ginkgo]

my best cryo character is kaeya, i really need a cryo dps for the hydro mfs in abyss, buuuut i dont have anything for ayaka whatsoever and my heart is telling me to save for as many ittos as possible

[ocean ember]

So imo go for characters until you're settled

[daring onyx]

I knowowowoowow

I've done math like a 438283729473 times since I never actually do anything in the game I just panic about literally nothing lufje

I don't do spiral abyss too i really gotta☹️

[ebon ginkgo]

this abyss is so awful

in the span of three chambers they have seven abyss lectors/heralds

and i dont have a cryo dps

[unkempt oriole]

you dont actually need one tho

[ebon ginkgo]

i have to sit there with chongyun and zhongli smacking the hydro ones down