🔨・build-discussion

[gritty tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiumP07RU9s

[modern raven]

whats a good venti team comp?

[urban plaza]

Kinda depends on who you have

You'd want someone to apply an aura

So that elemental infusion can occur

you can't really do physical or floor-relying dps-es

[urban plaza]

Like Xiao doesn't work that well since he plunges on the floor and Venti groups people mid air

[modern raven]

i was thinking for abyss i ran venti and xiao separately

[urban plaza]

Yep that is right

Because if you wanna use them together, you essentially reduce him to just a battery

[modern raven]

what team comp tho?

[modern raven]

floor 9 makes me cry

[urban plaza]

Ooh good luck with F9
Also umm
You can try him with Milo

Miko*

And you'd require a battery for Miko

So add that

You can add a hydro character for superconduct

[modern raven]

hmm

[ocean ember]

Electro-charged :P

[modern raven]

so I can do Venti, Sucrose, Miko and Xingqiu?

[urban plaza]

YES THAT

[modern raven]

that good?

[urban plaza]

Nooo

Not suc

Battery for Miko

[modern raven]

oh

so fischl

[ocean ember]

But yeah, considering you don't have Ayaka or Ganyu, electro-charged seems like the next best option

[modern raven]

Fischl or Sara

[ocean ember]

Could also do overload with a ranged character

[urban plaza]

idk how sara works as a battery, but if she does, you can use her to buff too

[modern raven]

Yanfei?

[modern raven]

oh okay

[ocean ember]

Yup

[modern raven]

floor 9 murders me

im stuck on chamber 3

[urban plaza]

Since you have Mona, you can use her to buff too but it'd be an extra step in rotations

[ocean ember]

Not super sure of electro-charged looking at the characters, as you don't seem to have a good driver

Maybe Keqing but I don't think she can reach Venti's burst outside of her own burst

[urban plaza]

tbh I am not so sure about Yanfei

[modern raven]

wait so what comp exactly :"D

[urban plaza]

Yanfei is more charged- oriented

And her charge thingy technically stomps on the ground

[ocean ember]

Electro-charged is usually ran with Sucrose as the driver, or coould run Childe, Ayato or Kokomi

[ocean ember]

Overload would focus on her EM, not her charged

[urban plaza]

Interesting

[modern raven]

heh

[ocean ember]

For overload, I'd go Yanfei, Venti, Fischl and either Miko, Bennett or XQ

[modern raven]

oh okay

[ocean ember]

Could maybe do Miko instead of Fischl, and bring Bennett or XQ

Do make sure to infuse Venti's burst with electro if possible

[modern raven]

so atleast theres a healer somehow

[modern raven]

ya

Venti, Yanfei, Miko, and Bennett

[ocean ember]

That could work indeed

[modern raven]

and then who should I run with Xiao on the otherside

[urban plaza]

Your Yanfei hence runs a different build than usual

[modern raven]

oh i dont have yanfei built yet, i keep getting lavawalker

[ocean ember]

Though idk if Miko and Venti would be able to keep up the electro aura, so you'd have to test, as you want Yanfei being the trigger to overload

[urban plaza]

Your Yanfei runs EM EM EM
No need to focus on Crits
and maybe an EM weapon like Sac frags or Mappa Mare

Oh wait, do we need Crit focus?

@ocean ember

[modern raven]

idk i remember using venti with a raiden in vv domain, and the enemies sorta lie down for a bit in one area, i could try using yanfei while theyre like that or sumn

[modern raven]

i have R4 sac frag

[ocean ember]

No, just EM and a set like 2p WT, not sure about the other half. Even 4p CW would be fine.

[urban plaza]

Ooh yes that too

[modern raven]

huh okay

[oblique pelican]

Wth! Triple em Yanfei?

[ocean ember]

What I mean with electro aura is that they're always affected with electro, and you apply pyro second

[ocean ember]

Yeah, overload comp

[urban plaza]

For Venti comp where she is triggering overload

[modern raven]

ooh okay

[ocean ember]

She and Yoimiya are amongst the best overload drivers for now

[modern raven]

if i get kazuha i could probably do that :"D

[ocean ember]

Venti could be fine, tbh I thiink his swirls are faster than Kazuha so he should have an easier time

[modern raven]

ooh okay

[ocean ember]

Just make sure his burst is infused with electro

[urban plaza]

ABOUT YOUR XIAO COMP
You'd require a battery (suc ig)
And either 2 pyro or 2 geo (usually zl and albesus)
since you do not have 2 geo

[ocean ember]

You'd start the rotation with Miko into Venti, hence

[urban plaza]

People go with Benny and XL

[modern raven]

I could do miko first with her skill, venti burst, and then miko ult +yanfei or bennett maybe?

[ocean ember]

If you're gonna burst with Miko, Bennett burst first into Yae refreshing her skill and then Yanfei

But that might be too long for Venti's burst duration

[urban plaza]

Shouldn't benny come first? or will he steal the electro infusion

[modern raven]

oh okay

wait i need to eat lunch

thx tho ^^

[ocean ember]

He would steal it, yeah

[urban plaza]

Sheesh

[ocean ember]

And about Xiao, with Bennett busy on the other side it'd be hard. You could do something like Xiao, Sucrose, Fischl and maybe Mona, but not very sure about that. Another option could be Xiao, Sucrose, geo traveller and support Ningg. You can't run XL with Bennett, so there's that.

[urban plaza]

Need heals for Xiao though

[ocean ember]

Both Mona and Ningg can run prototype amber

[urban plaza]

I-

🙃 True

[ocean ember]

I'd personally rather have them on TToDS, but yeah, it's hard without a dedicated healer

Having Bennett on the other team is harsh, considering they don't have either Jean or at least Zhongli

[urban plaza]

Shift Benny to Xiao

Hehehe

Oh tbh they can run Sayu as a battery

[ocean ember]

Then the first team is left with no healer as well, but yeah, I'd be more inclined to swap Bennett to Xiao (and run Sucrose and XL) and then put XQ on the first, though depends on how well they can fare with XQ as the only source of healing

Unless they run like proto amber on their Yanfei, which honestly wouldn't be too bad for OL Yanfei

[ocean ember]

Issue is Sayu isn't half as good of a battery as Sucrose or Jean are

Generally speaking, yes.

[unkempt oriole]

sucrose best battery xD

[ocean ember]

Indeed, specially with both Sac Frags and C1

[digital pilot]

I use this

[modern raven]

I dont have Kazuha and Zhongli

[digital pilot]

I'm stating about your "venti comp" don't mind the other

[unkempt oriole]

Nice venti level

[digital pilot]

He's ady 90 rn

[unkempt oriole]

Keep it there -

[digital pilot]

Only useful that time cause succ

[unkempt oriole]

Oh nvm too late

[digital pilot]

Yes too late

[unkempt oriole]

No longer nice

[digital pilot]

Once 100 comes in

I make it 96

[unkempt oriole]

Reverse nice

It's terrible

[digital pilot]

Just

Don't imagine it

[unkempt oriole]

[sly cave]

current equip much better value right

[fleet knot]

If you need more er, yes

Otherwise the right is better

[sly cave]

what I need more is atk

qiqi needs atk

I don't think she need much er

but I think the atk from the left is much better than right

[oblique pelican]

How?

Atk %> flat atk!

[sly cave]

right, 2745 left 2758 right

don't need much er so I'll choose right as new

da baby

[digital pilot]

@modern raven @unkempt oriole Xiao's arti

[bleak river]

V nice

[unkempt oriole]

Alright Satan, take my soul

[digital pilot]

not enough, really. need more er for those 3 artifacts

and atk%

[tender ether]

In theory, which weapon do you guys think will be better for c0 ayato hod?
Team comb bennett-xiangling-zhongli-ayato

His signature wp (12% elemental bonus + 2 stack 40% na damage bonus) or
Miss splitter reforge ( 12% elemental damage bonus + 3 stack 28% elemental damage bonus)

[desert pumice]

I think miss splitter reforge

[rare phoenix]

Wait how to do that

[bleak river]

Genshin optimizer

The github one

[slim valve]

you can compare in game tho

[bleak river]

Ye

[slim valve]

except it don't have current roll value

[slim valve]

cool, have msr and haran

[quasi abyss]

my kaeya just got his last ascension

[tender ether]

I think so, just make sure

[tender ether]

Nouu, just got skyward blade, bye msr haran

I already exited with these build, just need haran to replace the crit rate https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/816666888612085771.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[slim valve]

too low crit rate

[loud grove]

that’s an alr critrate

[urban plaza]

I think they're gonna get Haran

So that'd make 69.7 CR

[ocean ember]

Nope, that's waay too low. But with Haran then it's fine, yeah. A tiny bit low for my liking still but almost 70% is way more acceptable.

[slim valve]

alr 🗿

[modern raven]

who can help me build my Bennet please TvT

[loud grove]

i think i can

[next sedge]

hi everyone! any news on when the build for ayato will be up on the website???

honestly I have no idea on what weapon and artifacts to put on him

[fleet knot]

unfortunate part is thats a really good crit damage circlet

replacing it for crit rate will only net you like 15% more cr

[ocean ember]

Basically 4p NO and the highest base attack weapon you can give him

Outside of that, it doesn't matter much; if you want full support, go ER/HP/HP or HB

More as a sub-dps, go ER/pyro/crit

[sick kestrel]

S

[fleet knot]

his best set is 4HoD

in theory, the new set should be his best by a tiny bit, but current findings are showing that its actually bugged and proc'ing way less than it should

[gritty tusk]

https://youtu.be/qt0PKuXFeaU

[bleak river]

If you have enough crit rate, sure

Definitely emblem on raiden, no question about that

[oblique pelican]

Lv 12 3* artifacts

[loud grove]

😭

sifu

plzz

maybe they’re not level 45

sure

i have a few minutes left before work

[urban plaza]

Cant judge until +20 or kinda near
since we dont know where it will roll

It could roll onto ER
Good
ATK% also kinda Wins

HP% and ATK are Losses

[sage galleon]

Which one is better for ayaka

Crit dmg circlet makes my cr 26/243 and crit rate makes it 46/202

I run freeze comp

[urban plaza]

The overall damage is higher on 46-202

[sterile token]

Kiri, good coach

[ocean ember]

For 4p BS, probs crit damage, but you need to make sure enemies are frozen most of the time

(Or well, finish them off before they unfreeze, depending on who's your hydro enabler)

[fleet knot]

i mean, ayaka freeze doesnt need enemies to be frozen most of the time
just the 5 seconds during her burst

but also ayaka isnt ganyu, who gets a lot more

26+15+40 = 81% cr which is still definitely enough

[ocean ember]

26+55 is still 81%, which is quite good imo

[fleet knot]

so i'd go with the first one

[ocean ember]

Yeah, same

[fleet knot]

2 other things to consider though, is that the cd circlet has atk% (very good), but thte cr circlet has er% (important for ayaka depending on your weap/team)

[sage galleon]

Im using blackcliff and my team is rosaria barbara and sucrose

[ocean ember]

And yeah, ik, but depending on their investment and other stuff they might or might not kill mobs within that burst, and imo charged attacks in the downtime can be fine and keeping stuff frozen could help with that. But yeah, mostly agree.

Alright that can be a rough team

[fleet knot]

not amenoma, so energy is kinda important

and yeah, rosaria cant battery as much as, say, diona

[ocean ember]

Yeah, and no sac bow Diona either

[fleet knot]

but rosaria also gives even more cr

meaning the cr circlet is even less important

[sage galleon]

The difference in the burst damage is 15k from the cr and 17k from the cd one

[ocean ember]

How much ER are you running?

[sage galleon]

My ayaka has 136

[ocean ember]

Be aware that damage per tick isn't the greatest metric

[sage galleon]

With the cr

[ocean ember]

In Ayaka's case, you need to be able to burst off CD

[fleet knot]

with cr oof

need some more er

[ocean ember]

I'd personally recommend switching the sword for Amenoma

[fleet knot]

that would probably do it

[ocean ember]

Maybe fav lance on Rosaria would help as well, if you don't have that already

[fleet knot]

you have a ton of crit damage anyways, so the 40 from bcs isnt super important

[sage galleon]

This is for abyss team btw

[fleet knot]

yeah

in abyss especially, if you cant burst, you have 0 damage

[ocean ember]

Yeah, I'd keep the CDMG circlet but maybe try to get other artefacts with higher ER subs, and def go for Amenoma

[fleet knot]

doesnt matter if you have 240cd if you cant use it

[ocean ember]

If you can refine, the better

Burst uptime imo can be more important than its damage up to some point

[sage galleon]

I have r3 bcs and I usually rely on the ca of my ayaka

[ocean ember]

Most of Ayaka's damage comes from her burst

Followed by her skill, and lastly her normals/charged

Charged is fine for downtime, but not really good as the main source of damage

[sage galleon]

Whats amenomas main stat

Er?

How much at level 90

[ocean ember]

ATK, but passive helps a ton with ER

[sage galleon]

Whats a good er for ayaka

[ocean ember]

It greatly depends on your team, since sac bow Diona, for example, can greatly lower that, and for example Venti also helps

But honestly, whatever lets her burst when the cooldown is over

Or the closest to that

I'm assuming you don't have them, but if you do, I'd really advice swapping Barbara and Rosaria for Diona and XQ or Mona. Barbara and Rosaria can suffice, but it's generally easier with Diona on the team, if you happen to have her.

[sage galleon]

I have diona with sacrificial I just didnt build her

And I dont wanna switch barbara because I need a healer

[ocean ember]

Tbf she doesn't need that much building, you can get away just slapping HP artefacts for her to get her running (and levelling her up a little)

If you put Diona on the team, she'd be the healer

Ofc I'm not trying to say you absolutely have to swap them out, but out of experience, Diona makes Ayaka's life much easier xD

[sage galleon]

Oh I forgot dionas a healer

Does it help ayaka if my diona is c6?

[ocean ember]

Uhmm EM is useless on freeze in general (that's why Sucrose isn't the best pick for freeze either, but she suffices if you don't have Venti or Kazuha, I ran her for the longest time myself xD), so Diona's C6 is irrelevant

[sage galleon]

Oh

[ocean ember]

In general her cons aren't that great, but she works great even without cons

[sage galleon]

Still waiting for the kazuha rerun 😭

[sage galleon]

Does she heal better than barbara

[ocean ember]

Her C1 is pretty good though, helps for her own energy needs

[ocean ember]

Ahhh gl! He should be coming in 2.8

[sage galleon]

Alright, I'll build xq and diona ty

[ocean ember]

I can't make an objective comparison as I haven't done the math and I never really built my Barbara, but my Diona ime has healed more than enough (plus her shield does help mitigating damage)

[ocean ember]

Yw! Both are generally great universal units, specially XQ

Hope you have fun with them

[sage galleon]

Whats mitigating btw

[bleak river]

shield and battery makes diano good

decreasing

[ocean ember]

Ah that means uhh like reducing

[sage galleon]

Ah

Ty

[ocean ember]

Yw! Hope I was of help

Ultimately though, remember to play whatever you have fun with!

With abyss specifically though, I do recommend Diona and XQ for Ayaka over Rosaria and Barbara (don't get me wrong, Rosaria can work for her as well, but in this case with the characters you've mentioned plus the build you have in Ayaka, I think Diona with sac bow would be better overall).

[bleak river]

mhm unless you have xq on the other team alr

[rigid crater]

Mihoyo really needs to lower lvling up costs

Way too many characters and team comps

My Diluc and Mona are collecting dust

[steady stream]

I agree lol i haven't even built my xq xl and a lot of my 5 stars are just 70s with completely half-baked artifacts

[urban plaza]

Tbh standards collecting dust is ok

Since they were a surprise/unfortunate incidents

However if your event banner chars are collecting dust for no valid reason...

I mean 5 stars^

For event ones, I understand if they're on standby because of resources or shitty rng

[rigid crater]

My ayato is finally lvl 80 but he was an unplanned investment

Now I need to farm some more for ayaka

And kazuha

But I've been running sucrose as of late and I'm digging her potential

[bleak river]

My itto is crying rn

[urban plaza]

lmaoo

[bleak river]

Btw kiri I'm not the one playing rn XD

[urban plaza]

Oh?

Were you asking me for the regional specialities or your sister?

[bleak river]

My sis lmao

I know those

[urban plaza]

lmaoo

[loud grove]

huhh

[gilded dock]

0 em on a hu tao is kinda yikes

[loud grove]

yes i want dragons bane on her

but i cant

wish

[pine sinew]

Use em sands

[unkempt oriole]

More impressed that em is dodged

[weak cargo]

noice

0 EM hutao flex ehh

[loud grove]

YES

[clear heron]

It's pretty amazing that there are no EM rolls lol but it would be better for Hu Tao to have HP% sands

plume is amazing tho, crimson witch domain won't give me anything better than my 14cv feather 🙃

[fleet knot]

Actually you'd be surprised

Em timepiece is extremely good for hutao, better than hp% if you need em

[wise oak]

wait wat

really

[modern raven]

what is generally more important: flat atk or crit?

[gilded dock]

flat ATK is the same as having no roll

assuming you have 700 base atk with weapon, the highest fATK roll, 19, is equal to 2.7% ATK
the lowest ATK% roll you can get is 4.1%

and then there's Xiao + PJWS who can get 1023 base ATK

[modern raven]

No pyro dmg bonus cup?

Ohhhh atk% sands. Uh

[fleet knot]

crit is significant better than flat attack no doubt
crit is marginally better than atk% though

however, its much easier to gain attack through buffs than crit

so crit ends up being more valuable

[bleak river]

but why?

[simple burrow]

Hello everyone. Does anyone has a dps Thoma? 👀 I saw a few videos of a dps thoma but no one showed the builds

[fleet knot]

you dont want to run dps thoma

i mean, if you really do

its atk/phys/crit

with phys damage main stats

2pf2bs

but like

please dont

[bleak river]

Please don't, for the sake of yourself

[candid glacier]

is 57% cr and 161% cd good enough for eula?

[unkempt oriole]

It's okay

[gilded dock]

You want more CR in current abyss

[fleet knot]

eula in current abyss isnt very good

as it is largely an elemental check

but normally, for eula, thats good (if not even a bit much)

[barren badge]

uhm can I stop spending resin on ganyu's artifact now '-'

I think she's still pretty weak but I really need to farm artifacts for sucrose and mona

[bleak river]

Should be fine for now tbh

[median dome]

You can work on her talents. If you're going for melt Ganyu, you'd want EM > ER. It's a different case if you are doing freeze Ganyu. In that case, you should be changing your artifact set because in a melt comp, EM is pretty much redundant.

[barren badge]

oh

i'm running a ganyu freeze team now

ganyu sucrose mona diona

do u guys have any advice on artifact set for mona and diona?

[median dome]

I see, it's fine for now, just improve other aspects of your team and you can look to swap it out for other sets

[unkempt oriole]

^

[median dome]

For freeze support Mona, I'd recommend Noblesse set. At least that is what I use on her in my freeze Ayaka team. ER on sands, hydro% on goblet and crit rate/dmg. ER is the most important substat(because of her passive skill) followed by crit rate/dmg which is not as important. For weapon you can use thrilling tales. I personally don't because my rotations doesn't give the thrilling tales buff to my main dps.

[unkempt oriole]

Would eosf be good on diona

[median dome]

You can leave her at lvl 60/70

[barren badge]

oh i have her at 80/80 already :D

so how about diona

[median dome]

4-pc EOSF works but depending on your situation, you can do 2-pc EOSF+ 2-pc Millelith, 2-pc Maiden + 2-pc Millelith

Not Noblesse because Mona already has it

[barren badge]

uhm does eofs stand for emblem of severed fate?

[median dome]

Yes

[barren badge]

i think it wouldn't be suitable for a healer/shielder like her :0

[median dome]

Yes if you're going for full heal/shield support then 2-pc Maiden + 2-pc Millelith

4-pc Millelith works as well

[barren badge]

hmm how do u think about mona use 4 pieces of eosf and diona use noblesse?

[median dome]

Ya that could work

If you're the type that is lazy to dodge, then the healer set would be better. If not, Noblesse would be the go-to set because of the ATK buff

[barren badge]

actually i'm so suck at dodging XD

since i got zhongli it's even worse

[median dome]

For Diona
If you are struggling with energy: 2-pc EOSF + 2-pc Millelith

If you just want some healing 2-pc Maiden + 2-pc Millelith

If you want healing, ATK buff and shield: 4-pc Millelith

[median dome]

I see you are a person of culture

[barren badge]

wait buffs from millelith just last for 3s

r u sure it'll work on diona?

[median dome]

Yep but it can be triggered every 1 sec or something

Yes

Because of Sacrificial bow, you will be getting back her elemental skill

[barren badge]

oh i see

maybe i will try with 4 millelith

let's steal some artifacts from zhongli :D

[median dome]

Yes it is very convenient to have characters that share same artifacts

[barren badge]

XD

[ocean ember]

ToTM would be better on Mona than Diona

Diona works better with 4p NO

Mona tbh doesn't care that much about the set in freeze, so if you don't want to do 4p ToTM, you can do 2p EoSF and 2p Scholar or Exile, as she does care a ton about being able to burst off CD.
Diona should be the one with 4p NO. 2p ToTM and 2p EoSF also work. I don't recommend 2p Maiden's because, in my experience, she already heals more than enough. For mainstats, ER or HP sands, HP goblet and HP or HB circlet (I personally like her with triple HP).

[loud grove]

guys

who else can i add

i want to buff my barb as much as possiv;e

[ocean ember]

Mona doesn't care about mainstats much outside of ER sands (if you're doing 2p Exile or Scholar, make sure the sands is a 5* artefact).

[ocean ember]

Also, freeze Ganyu runs 4p BS. 4 WT (or SR) is mostly for melt Ganyu, as EM has no use at all on freeze.

[ocean ember]

Why's Yanfei there? And well, you can use VV and XQ.

[loud grove]

bc thrilling tales

and VV?

[ocean ember]

You can put TToDS on Sucrose

VV set

[barren badge]

oh i think wt set’ll work with both melt and freeze ganyu

it just simply buff her charged attack

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[median dome]

I think I see where you're coming from and I agree. I assume this is your thought process: Mona is mainly there for hydro application to maintain freeze with her skill which has 4s downtime (exclude sac. weap) compared to Diona's (5.5s). Noblesse set for Diona since her ult is defo gonna be used more than Mona's.

[ocean ember]

Thing is, freeze Ganyu focuses on her burst xD

[ocean ember]

Rather than that, it's that her skill ticks several time while off-field, and the set was made for persistent skills (which means they stay and do damage regularly even if the character is switched off). Diona's skill, while it procs several times, would have a really low buff uptime, compared to Mona's. Mona doesn't have the best buff uptime either (that'd be someone like Zhongli), but it's way better.

And Mona's burst will be used more frequently, or equally, than Diona's. But TotM just doesn't work with Diona.

[median dome]

I see, that makes sense. I was wrong about that and I didn't think about that till now.

[ocean ember]

Dw! Not like I always knew it.

[wheat solstice]

hi

which hu tao build is better?

or

[fleet knot]

the first one is unusable

the second one is also unusable

no pyro goblet
vs
35 crit rate

actually theyre both unusable

40 crit rate on the top one

[wheat solstice]

yeah im having a hard timr

time

[fleet knot]

is that an atk goblet on the top one?

[wheat solstice]

yeah

[fleet knot]

an hp% goblet would be better

but a pyro goblet >>

[wheat solstice]

i already have hp% sands

though

[fleet knot]

doesnt matter, an hp% mainstat is strictly better than an atk% main stat

[wheat solstice]

true

i tested out the second one and it's not that bad tbh

it does around 6000 every hit but when it crits it's like a small nuke

50k

normal btw

normal attack *

[fleet knot]

[wheat solstice]

so im gonna stick to that

[modern raven]

I tried Venti, Rosa, Bennett and Miko in abyss

honestly

10/10

[silent tulip]

Feels like that would just superconduct after first hit tho

And due to enemies being in the air you cant really take advantage of that no?

[merry glen]

does anyone have kazuha main dps team recommendations?

[unkempt oriole]

kazuha main dps?

why do u want him main dps

[merry glen]

good question 🧍 i just really like him ig

[timid yarrow]

guys whats a tazor team

also what aspect should you focus on when building ayato? eg: energy recharge for baal would be efficient

[bleak river]

sighh

[bleak river]

basically just an electrocharged team

[unkempt oriole]

u might need to invest alot in him on artis

but the idea is u can throw in a pyro/electro/cyro/hydro and swirl it

[timid yarrow]

so hydrdo and electro

or sum

[bleak river]

And anemo sometimes

[timid yarrow]

okay

how about pyro

[bleak river]

No pyro

[timid yarrow]

yes

[timid yarrow]

would it make a good team though

pyro electro hydro and anemo

[bleak river]

If you want to overvape you might as well use rational

[unkempt oriole]

^

[timid yarrow]

yeah okay

[merry glen]

i already farmed some vv artifacts

[unkempt oriole]

does it have enough crit dmg and crit

not just em tho

[bleak river]

So you want an ayato taser team?

[timid yarrow]

naw im farming for echoes of an offering but i keep getting vermillion on the domain its sad

[timid yarrow]

hmm

im considering what teams

would be good

[unkempt oriole]

kazuha works best as sub dps, but if u really want to DPS with him, its advisable to bring teammates that can consistently apply elements

[merry glen]

idk about that, i'll look later and tag u in it

[unkempt oriole]

such as xingqiu

[bleak river]

Ayato does rly well in taser, I'd say that's his best team rn

[timid yarrow]

• lions roar would be good on him if it was like a taser team

[unkempt oriole]

or raiden

[timid yarrow]

yeah

[unkempt oriole]

sure, just show whenever ur free

[merry glen]

private or just here?

[unkempt oriole]

oh u can jsut drop it here

[bleak river]

Sample ayato taser team is ayato (hydro or anemo) fischl beidou/yae

[merry glen]

alright

[unkempt oriole]

im sure there's lot of players have a better idea than i do, so they might jsut drop a suggestion or 2

[timid yarrow]

i see

the only electro i have actually really built is raiden

[bleak river]

Well raiden is passable for ayato taser but you might as well run rational

[timid yarrow]

i think sum like ayato beidou fishl and a few flex opitons

like

bennet

[unkempt oriole]

ayato takes a lot of field time, but it could work

[timid yarrow]

wh is raiton

[unkempt oriole]

raiden national

[bleak river]

Rational is raiden xingqiu xiangling bennett

[unkempt oriole]

national consist of xingqiu bennett xiangling and a flex unit

adding raiden makes it rational

[timid yarrow]

hm i see

[bleak river]

I'm thinking the only bit that makes national national is xl benny

[timid yarrow]

it was do good damage

[bleak river]

Cuz international doesn't have xq

[unkempt oriole]

i think the vape is required so i kinda bound xq to it

[unkempt oriole]

i see

[timid yarrow]

bennet could be a healer for the team or jean too and she can swirl

[river ore]

@timid yarrow has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[bleak river]

But then there's Chinese national with sucrose driver and og national with chongus

And they have xq so idk

[unkempt oriole]

its all a variation

[bleak river]

The only thing that's constant is xl benny

[unkempt oriole]

cuz xl is too motherf-king hungry for energy

[bleak river]

Sorry ina we kinda ignoring you oop

Ye energy hungry

[unkempt oriole]

jean is a great unit in national too

[timid yarrow]

naw its fine im thinking on some teams

[unkempt oriole]

anemo flex unit

[timid yarrow]

yeah

or kazuha

[unkempt oriole]

yea most will choose kazuha

[bleak river]

Kazuha or if you don't have him, sucrose

[timid yarrow]

honestly ayato, bennet, kazuha and fischl, it could make a bunch of different reactions

[timid yarrow]

yeah

you oculd swirl hydro and electo, plus with anemo it could be mixed with pyro cus of bennet

apparently

anyway

[gritty tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chv2vObp0es

[grim forum]

guys how much er should yunjin at least have?

to pair with ayato?

[silent tulip]

fav. lance

though in all honesty, i think 180-200 is enough

[steady stream]

Most characters i believe is 180 to 220 correct me if im wrong

[dapper marsh]

YO should i rebuild mona again

People say mona is good with emblem but ive already +20 her existing artifacts

[crisp steeple]

which one is better for ayaka? amenoma or flute?

[gilded dock]

Flute is sogshit

[crisp steeple]

oh

amenoma it is then

[dapper marsh]

Amenoma is better ofc

I GAVE MY FLUTE TO JEAN AND IT WAS SOOOO BAD LMAOO

[ocean ember]

Tbf, Flute is fine for Jean, though she also prefers Amenoma.

[celest quiver]

Guys, do lvling Ayato's normal attack affects his E?

[fleet knot]

No

[humble epoch]

Currently i'm running raiden national.
I have the catch r5, starglitter, and favonius lance.
Any idea which polearm should i use for xiangling and raiden?

[ocean ember]

I'd put Catch on Raiden and Fav Lance on XL. If you have billets, maybe Kitain could work better for XL

[humble epoch]

Oh, i have kitain cross too.
So the catch raiden and kitain xiangling is the best f2p option?

[ocean ember]

I think so, yeah. I'm not 100% sure though. If you happen to have Dragon's Bane, I think that'd be better than Kitain.

[humble epoch]

Ok, i will certainly test it.
Since currently i run my XL with ER polearm, i must find a good piece ER sand first

[ocean ember]

Yeahh, if you run her with anything that isn't an ER polearm, she'll def need an ER sands. xD Though since it's with Raiden, you might get away without ER sands. Also Kitain's passive helps with energy as well.

[visual osprey]

even with raiden i think u want minimum 180% ER

[gilded dock]

Yeah, but like 220-240 without

Which is the difference between the catch and not the catch

[grim forum]

can xiangling be a battery for thoma?? im running ayato yunjin xiangling thoma... any suggestion so that thoma can get 100% uptime burst?

[bleak river]

Xiangling already kinda wants benny for battery

[ocean ember]

Yeah, unfortunately, both Thoma and Xiangling need a battery. In that scenario, you'd need to stack ER on both.

[gilded dock]

Xiangling already needs 180ER in Raiden national

Without raiden nor bennett, you will prob need like 240+ ER

[grim forum]

dangg

any other option other than xl?

[ocean ember]

I'd swap Thoma for Bennett, at least it's what I've done when testing out a team that would let Ayato forward vape (XL, Bennett and Kazuha)

[grim forum]

thoma c6 and bennett's buff(4 star sword)... which one better?

[ocean ember]

Generally speaking, I'd say Bennett

Not only because of the buff, but he's a battery (which XL needs)

Unfortunately, I think the only reason to run Thoma with Ayato would be because XL and/or Bennett are already used on the other team

[grim forum]

yeah

i have zhongli but i run him with xiao jean and bennett

[ocean ember]

Oh, so Bennett is already on the other team, oop

In that case, I'd run a VV user. You could force Thoma in, but as Falthis said, you'd need a ton of ER on both Thoma and XL.

[grim forum]

ouh so no shielder but healer instead?

[bleak river]

And that case you can run sucrose with xiao and Jean with ayato?

[ocean ember]

Tbh I'd prefer Sucrose with Ayato, or Sayu for healing if you have her

But Jean could suffice, yeah

Specially since Xiao is already running triple defensive characters

[bleak river]

(double heal and zhongli)

[ocean ember]

I'd take Bennett out of Xiao's team and put a support Ningg

[grim forum]

yeah i always think that's too much 😂

[bleak river]

https://youtu.be/JatbB2q_Hw8 idk i felt like doing it (i got peer pressured)

[unkempt oriole]

Nice

[strong geyser]

Is it normal for em venti to do like 400 damage bru

[ocean ember]

What level is him? Just between level 80 and level 90 there's a difference of 33% swirl damage. Now, if you mean 400 anemo damage, then yeah, that'd be normal (though imo still low, my butchered EM Venti does around 1k per charged shot, around 4k iirc in his tap skill)

[wise oak]

oh

[pearl matrix]

what happened to rosaria's physical build?

[fleet knot]

It's not good

🗿

[ruby warren]

can ganyu have cr cd 40/200 because my friend said when i have 70 180 ganyu no need too much cr because a bow user ca confirm a crit can anybody explain how weapon work?

[unkempt oriole]

???

What is that concept

If double cyro extra crit maybe

Never heard of bow CA 100% crit

Any how 70cr is excellent

Less dependant on double cyro and can perform on her own

[rustic plank]

ganyu talent has 20% cr boost for her CA after bloom is triggered (bloom is considered as CA too iirc)

[modern raven]

And Xiao still does 30k crits D:

When he gonna do 100k

[bleak river]

Iirc if they use fav and hit a weak point the game counts it as crit and gives you particles? So I assume any bow user can do that

Lin you're missing an anemo goblet XD

[unkempt oriole]

But doesn't that requires hitting weakspot tho

[unkempt oriole]

Also isn't this very far off from confirmed crit

[rustic plank]

it is, no confirmed crit if hit weakness iirc, I'm not a really good CA bow user tho since I played using controller

[ocean ember]

Charged shots on weak spots have 100% CR iirc, but that doesn't mean you should lower your CR. I'm assuming melt Ganyu btw, as freeze Ganyu has a bunch of CR from other sources. Yes, charged shots on weak points crit, but 1. some monsters don't even have a weak spot and 2. can you make sure every charged shot you do will hit a weak spot, if it exists? Plus I don't think, though might be wrong, that the rule of 100% on a weak point applies to the bloom, but yeah, there's the passive that gives 20% CR as well.

[ocean ember]

You really want an anemo goblet, like, really xD

[unkempt oriole]

Exactly I don't rmb all mobs have weak spot too

[bleak river]

Mhmm

[ruby warren]

Ok, thanks for the info so i guess i willl be farming blizzard strayer for +cr using freeze team because the cr will go up if melt then i guess i stik with 70/170

[unkempt oriole]

It'll be more consistent to keep up with the Cr for consistent dps

[ocean ember]

You can't* run melt with BS

[bleak river]

Just not that great

[ocean ember]

But idk if I'm understanding the message correctly alksjdald

[ruby warren]

i use good wanderer troupe stats xD but onky 70/170

[bleak river]

Then if you want melt ganyu I'd suggest wanderers

[ocean ember]

Had a typo, sorry

[bleak river]

Thats p good alr

[unkempt oriole]

Wanderer is actually good

[bleak river]

90 cr with her passive

[ocean ember]

I meant you can't run melt with BS xD

But if you're doing melt, then yeah, I'd advice around 70% CR

[unkempt oriole]

Plus u charge shot anyway with ganyu

[ocean ember]

WT and SR are best for melt, yeah

[unkempt oriole]

What's Sr again?

[bleak river]

Shim

[ocean ember]

This is pretty good

[unkempt oriole]

Ahh

[ocean ember]

Yeah, SR is Shimenawa

[unkempt oriole]

Can't brain acronym rn

Lmao

[ocean ember]

Happens xD

[bleak river]

It's fine

[ruby warren]

ritual for getting good stats on emblem severed im suck at def stats

[bleak river]

You woke up recently?

[ocean ember]

Also may I have your profile picture alsdjakldjaslk

[unkempt oriole]

YEAS

[unkempt oriole]

Honestly eosf/shim is not as terrible domain

Cuz both artis are okay

[bleak river]

Eosf is bis for a few chars, and shim is decent ig

[ocean ember]

Thank youu alksjdakld

Yeah, SR can be used as a 2p for several characters

[bleak river]

Ofc 2pc is very flexible

[ocean ember]

Basically, a gladiator's replacement xD

That can be farmed, that is

[unkempt oriole]

Would gladly dump 20k resin in eosf domain over crimson witch anytime

Lmao

[ocean ember]

Aahsdgjas

[ruby warren]

my fragile only 13 fak

[ocean ember]

Spent 3 months on CW

At least I did manage to get 2 decent full sets, one for Tao and another one for Yoi

[bleak river]

Define decent

[ocean ember]

Hmmm lemme get screenshots xD but they're actually fine I think

[bleak river]

30cv at least?

[ocean ember]

I also got a "spare" crit rate circlet for when I get Homa for Tao, rn she's on DM and CDMG circlet

[ocean ember]

Not sure tbh, but I also value EM and HP substats so

[bleak river]

Right ye

[ocean ember]

Most had a bunch of EM iirc

But I thiiink most are at the very least 20CV

[bleak river]

That's decent then

[ruby warren]

wht the formula for cv i forgot

[bleak river]

2x cr + cd

How much em you have? I don't rmb

[ocean ember]

@bleak river Sorry for the late reply, got distracted with something irl. These are sets. xD Both circlets could be better, but eh. Also just noticed my poor Yoi is lacking EM severly lmao, might give her an EM sands down the road (she will also be switched to Rust when I build Ganyu).

[bleak river]

my hutao needs that yoi gob

[ocean ember]

Plus this is the circlet I got like a couple days ago iirc

[bleak river]

xD

[ocean ember]

Aaksdha yeah, that goblet saves my Yoi's crit rate lmao

[bleak river]

i just need a pyro shim gob so i can run my 45cv em sands

[ocean ember]

Between that and the flower, I'm able to run a CDMG circlet so not too bad

Akjhaskd damn, that's a nice sands

Same situation with my Tao I see lmao

[bleak river]

i still cant run cd circ sadge

[ocean ember]

Her sands are just too good, so I was forced to run on set gob or circlet

Oop

What weapon?

I imagine DB is much harder to build, for instance

[bleak river]

wtassel which makes it like 70 cr

[ocean ember]

Ohhh I see, I see

[bleak river]

sry, 83.9 cr

but im just prepping for dbane or homa

[ocean ember]

Makes sense, yeah

Kinda did the same I guess, I didn't stop with CW until I got that CR circlet

Really want to get her Homa, so maybe next rerun if it's not too close

[bleak river]

homa will literally double wtassel hutao's dmg

[ocean ember]

Nicee

[bleak river]

literally stupid XD

[ocean ember]

Ajasdka can imagine

[bleak river]

will be 60k CA just w xq

(this is with my scuff hp sands and off pyro)

[ocean ember]

Now I wanna do tests in GO to see how much more damage it'll be compared to DM, but I'm lazy xD

Damn, nice

Rn I'm at 44k I think with no buffs but XQ's vape, and regularly around 65k (I've seen 80k but I think that was with a domain buff) with proper Thoma/Sucrose rotation

Could keep farming CW for a better goblet but eh, will revisit it someday but not any time soon lmao

[bleak river]

i havent seen with sucrose lemme just check GO

[ocean ember]

But that's pretty good damage for just XQ

Aight! I run 4p Instructor's on Thoma as well

So I have to double swirl, to let Thoma proc the set

[grand kestrel]

Wutao damage

[bleak river]

that would be homa tho and homa is good XD

[grand kestrel]

thomahoma

[ocean ember]

True xD

Yeah, I read Thoma there for a sec lmao

[bleak river]

with full sucrose buff (903.56em):
55295 wtassel
72024 r1 dbane
76641 r5 dbane
96984 r1 homa

[ocean ember]

Damn, that's pretty neat

So close to 100k on Homa xD

[bleak river]

i am using shim tho

to note

as for burst (even tho shim wont using it that much):
111k wtassel
~160k r5 dbane
195k r1 homa

[bleak river]

ye fr its kinda nice (even tho it's rly pushing me to get homa)

[ocean ember]

Ahh makes sense. I plan to leave HT on CW on this account, and switch her to SR on my main. Was never able to get a decently good CW set going on my main x'D

[ocean ember]

That's still pretty good tbf

[ocean ember]

Aasdhas well, Homa is pretty good anyways so

[bleak river]

the build does only have 42cr tho XD

[ocean ember]

Thinking I'll switch Yoi to a EM sands, as she already gets attack from the bow (both Amos' and Rust) so that might be better

[ocean ember]

Damn xD

[bleak river]

not optimal for normal runs XD

[ocean ember]

Yeah laksjdla but hey, seeing almost 100k will def be satisfying haha

You may be able to reach it with 4p Instructor's on Thoma, assuming he's not running it already

[bleak river]

i have no instructors XD

they all got foddered

[ocean ember]

Oh damn alskdjal

[bleak river]

all i need is a pyro version of this

then ill be set

[ocean ember]

That's so good it's painful it is HP x'D

[bleak river]

fr

i also got another hp one that's only slightly worse 😭

[ocean ember]

Oop

I don't think I'd levelled them up

Just because I'd be salty I couldn't use them on anyone lmao

[bleak river]

combined with this sands, this gives me the second highest avg dmg if homa

[ocean ember]

So EM + HP then? Just some hours ago was talking about running something like this if there was no pyro goblet, haha

[bleak river]

ye but i would like to give this sands to xl for rational

[ocean ember]

Ahhh I see, Catch XL?

[bleak river]

yep

cuz raiden has EL :)

[ocean ember]

Niceee

I'm just gonna start wishing on weapon banner soon xD

[bleak river]

prior to catch i didnt rly need to run xl with er sands anyway

cuz fav gives a decent amount

[tired burrow]

stop ever since i got kazuha i havent had a single em main stat

gimme

[ocean ember]

Ye, Fav being an ER weapon makes it easier to run EM sands

[bleak river]

you were saying?

[ocean ember]

Tbf that wouldn't be a great sands for Kazuha, as he mostly wants ER as substat

And it's also off set xD

[tired burrow]

i am trying dps kaz

[ocean ember]

But yeah, I can relate

[bleak river]

em mainstat is the only bit that's rly important XD

[ocean ember]

You'd go with DPS main stats though

[bleak river]

like atk anemo crit

[tired burrow]

would you? i thought u got enough anemo bonus for 4pc vv

[ocean ember]

Not EM, though I guess EM on sands could work. But strictly speaking, it'd have to be ATK.

[bleak river]

more bonus is good XD

[tired burrow]

i was tryna go for atk em crit

[ocean ember]

ATK Kazuha wouldn't run 4p VV though

More like 2p VV and 2p ATK

[bleak river]

mmm the standard dps jean and old xiao build

[ocean ember]

Yup

[tired burrow]

oh wait i read a thing that was that the 4pc is more beneficial than just +18

[ocean ember]

Tbh I don't recommend crit Kazuha, since you lose his buff with no EM

At least Venti loses nothing

[tired burrow]

source being mhy blogs so idk but i like pretty crit numbers

[ocean ember]

4p is swirls, which you won't be doing on a dps Kazuha

[tired burrow]

you wont?

but like

[ocean ember]

No, that's the point of dps build alkjdsal

[tired burrow]

his whole kit is built around swirling

ah

[ocean ember]

Focusing on anemo damage

[ocean ember]

Yeah, that's why I don't recommend crit Kazuha

[tired burrow]

perhaps im just defining dps unproperly?

[ocean ember]

His best build, by far, is triple EM

[bleak river]

you cant swirl anemo XD, so no vv shred for anemo

[tired burrow]

as in i'd like him to do the most damage, that damage being through swirls

ah

[ocean ember]

This

[bleak river]

swirls would be em build

[ocean ember]

Then triple EM

Crit doesn't affect swirling

[bleak river]

does like 4-6k for me

[tired burrow]

which brings us back to the original point, i NEED AN EM MAIN STAT

💀

[ocean ember]

Swirling != anemo damage != elemental infusion

[bleak river]

im running er sands on kazu cuz he needs it for ayaka freeze

but i dont have another set to give to sucrose

[ocean ember]

Yeah, individual swirl numbers aren't that high, but it shines on multi-target fights

Single target is where crit Venti actually out dpses EM Venti, for instance

[bleak river]

ofc, quad scaling is p insane

[tired burrow]

thats why kaz+childe= bueno

[ocean ember]

Seggc?

[tired burrow]

good

[ocean ember]

Ah lmao

[bleak river]

childe international mhmm

[ocean ember]

Haven't rolled them but being the main stat on set is already good for me

Got these 2 today

[bleak river]

melt ganyu?

[ocean ember]

Yep

[bleak river]

icic

[ocean ember]

Flat ATK is unfortunate but as long as it doesn't all roll into it, it should be decent alksdjal

Watch it do it though lmao

[bleak river]

you've jinxed yourself XD /j

[ocean ember]

I know my luck too well lmaoo

[rigid crater]

What’s a good artifact set for diona?

[ocean ember]

4p NO

ER or HP sands, HP goblet and HP or HB circlet

[timber hearth]

That sweet3.9CR

[ocean ember]

Yeah, but mostly it being a 4 liner with 3 good substats is a win fo rme, haha

[modern raven]

PLS ITS SO HARD TO GET 😭

[bleak river]

You can use an offpiece

[modern raven]

Is 4pc Wanderers good on Venti? Or 2pc VV and 2pc Wanderers

[bleak river]

You have 3 vv on xiao alr

[modern raven]

I know but I dont get any

[bleak river]

What team

[modern raven]

Anemo dmg bonus is so rare

[modern raven]

Idk

[ocean ember]

4p WT no, 2p VV and 2p WT can be fine as a placeholders

[bleak river]

Venti should be 4vv generally

[ocean ember]

You really want 4p VV on a swirl Venti

[bleak river]

But if you're running him with xiao

[modern raven]

Im in pain cuz VV domain is so irritating

[ocean ember]

Venti doesn't go well with Xiao though, as Xiao can't hit enemies on his burst

If you're running them together nonetheless, it'd be better to run crit Venti

[modern raven]

I just use Venti with Xiao whenever I do some exploring

[ocean ember]

On 2p VV and 2p ATK set

[ocean ember]

Ah well, overworld and abyss are two completely different things xD

Anything goes on overworld

[modern raven]

I plan on building Rosaria next, seeing I have a lot of leftover Physical DMG bonus artifacts

[modern raven]

Somehow the abyss creatures schmack harder

[ocean ember]

It's not really that, but that in abyss you're timed

[modern raven]

A h

[ocean ember]

So you need to run coherent comps and at least decently built characters to somewhat succeed

[bleak river]

Abyss has higher levels than overworld sometimes

[ocean ember]

Rosaria's best as cryo dps, but yeah, physical isn't that bad

[ocean ember]

Yeah, but tbf, that's mostly F12

[bleak river]

Mhmm

[modern raven]

Oh

[bleak river]

F12 is F12

[modern raven]

Okay so if I put Mona as substitute for Kokomi for Rosaria will that work?

[unkempt oriole]

I mean if u have other options u dropped her immediately

[ocean ember]

Depends on if you need healing

[bleak river]

What team you building XD

[ocean ember]

But yeah, depends on the team xD

[modern raven]

I just plan on Rosaria, Diona (for heal and Cryo res?) And Mona, theres an open spot but idk who to put

[ocean ember]

VV

[bleak river]

Then mona is fine

[modern raven]

Maybe Sucrose

[ocean ember]

That is, if you're doing cryo Rosaria xD

[bleak river]

Sucrose em is useless XD

[ocean ember]

If you're doing physical, that's not a good team

[ocean ember]

Well, if they have no other anemo... xD

[bleak river]

Ye ig

[modern raven]

I plan on Cryo Rosa, idk who to put the physical tho

[ocean ember]

I had to run Ayaka with Sucrose on my side for the longest time alkdjla

[modern raven]

Thats why im saving for Kazuha ;-;

[bleak river]

Just don't run physical rosaria XD

[ocean ember]

If it's cryo, yeah, fourth slot would be anemo

[bleak river]

I had kazu then ayaka so I was fine XD

[ocean ember]

Anemo with 4p VV that is

[modern raven]

I have her with the dragonspine spear, should I change that?

[ocean ember]

Yeah, that's better alskdjald. I do have Kazuha on my main so that's what I ran, but it was painful on my side. xD

[ocean ember]

Yup

[modern raven]

Back to black tassel ig

[bleak river]

I don't know rosaria builds tho

Wtassel would be better

Than btassel

[modern raven]

So Rosaria, Diona, Mona and Sucrose

[modern raven]

Too bad I threw away my white tassel 3 months ago

[bleak river]

Chasm has more

If you havent

[modern raven]

I also have the Catch and Dragons bane

[ocean ember]

Imo, always lock a R5 3* weapon of each type

[bleak river]

In this case is 3* XD

[ocean ember]

I thiiiink Catch could be passable for Rosa

[modern raven]

Ya

[ocean ember]

Ah right akjsdlsa meant 3*

[modern raven]

I was planning on getting ayaka and skipping 2.7 for Kazuha

Sadly welkin do be gone, so I no longer have funds

[ocean ember]

I was just gonna mention that

If you're not on WM, you can't get both unless you get really lucky

[bleak river]

I have one welkin my friend still owes me and I haven't decided where I want it to go

[modern raven]

Ayaka is a good cryo dps if I dont have ganyu, and Kazuha is a good anemo

[modern raven]

Yall lucky, yall got friends 💀

[bleak river]

I paid her to help me get welkin

[unkempt oriole]

Lmao

[ocean ember]

Both Ganyu and Ayaka are pretty good, and in some situations one is better than the other

[bleak river]

If I get msr without having to spend many pulls, I might give you the WM lin XD

[ocean ember]

For freeze teams, they actually play really similarly overall, as both are mainly burst dps that can fill in with normal/charged attacks

[modern raven]

Ganyu being the more ranged

[ocean ember]

Main difference is that Ganyu can run melt, where she focuses on charged shots

Ayaka can't run melt xD

[bleak river]

At all

Can melt like 7 times on her burst (C0)

And that's it

[modern raven]

Ayaka can do perma freeze comps tho right?

[ocean ember]

If you're lucky, as her burst relies on enemies being stuck in place

[bleak river]

Ye ayaka specialises in freeze

[river ore]

@bleak river has leveled up to LEVEL 27

[modern raven]

Rosaria, Kokomi, Kazuha and Ayaka comp is op

[bleak river]

Yes very good team XD

[modern raven]

I tried her gameplay honestly

[ocean ember]

Yeah, that's what I was talking about before. In freeze, Ganyu and Ayaka play very similarly.

[digital pilot]

Make c6 bennett for ayaka's burst to melt and ayaka with infused pyro from bennett's Q

Looks good

[bleak river]

Messes with her own infusion tho

So not great XD

[ocean ember]

Good luck hitting mobs when they're being thrown away by her burst xD

[digital pilot]

Only for her burst to melt, not with her cryo infused

[bleak river]

Ofc

But like you might as well use xl

Or ht

[digital pilot]

I like it better with that

[ocean ember]

Yeah, using Ayaka as an enabler for Tao is an actual comp

[digital pilot]

Why would you even try to use that with smaller mobs

[bleak river]

It's more of a speed running comp tho

So after the first rotation you're kinda dead

[modern raven]

Ayaka has such a good playstyle, if only she didnt have that kind of sprint

Ayaka > Mona

[digital pilot]

Sword user with a mage-like dash

Not pog

[bleak river]

I don't mind her dash now tbh

Sometimes she gets stuck on stupid things ofc but otherwise it's fine

[ocean ember]

Exactly xD

[modern raven]

I mean yeah shes more useful than mona, cuz when u sprint ayaka can freeze the water ;-;

[digital pilot]

Waiting for livestream to come out so that I can decide whether to pull or not on Ayaya

[ocean ember]

Well, Ayaka can infinitely traverse water so that's neat

[modern raven]

Me using venti and getting stuck on the side of starsnatch cliff

[digital pilot]

4p bs still waiting for a suitable character

[ocean ember]

2.7 is really likely to be ||Itto, Yelan and probably Yoimiya||

[ocean ember]

Kaeya :P

[bleak river]

||Yoi is more of a maybe||

[modern raven]

Whats ayaka banner 4 stars tho?

[digital pilot]

Did it once

not very pog

I have Kaeya at lvl90

[bleak river]

Sayu, ros and razor

[digital pilot]

But c0 still

[modern raven]

||rumors of pyro dmg bonus on floor 11?||

[digital pilot]

Fking rng

[modern raven]

When was it revealed

[bleak river]

Leaks

[ocean ember]

Yeah. Though judging on abyss blessings and their great focus on NA, I'd say she has high chances. xD

[digital pilot]

Just a while ago lol

[modern raven]

Pls ive been stalking genshin twitter and hoyolab for the 4 stars

[ocean ember]

It was shared on general like 20 minutes ago

[bleak river]

Blessings are NA, but floor 11 is claymore

[ocean ember]

Well, won't find it there since it's a leak xD

[river ore]

@digital pilot has leveled up to LEVEL 5

[modern raven]

🌚

[ocean ember]

Yeah, exactly. xD

[modern raven]

I like the fact I lost my 1st 50/50 on kokomi

Day 2 I was striving, and Day 7 I feel like dying

[ocean ember]

I lost mine on Klee's rerun

[digital pilot]

I'm 50/50 rn

[bleak river]

Same

[ocean ember]

Pretty happy about it nowadays, since I got Kazuha thanks to that

[digital pilot]

Used my guaranteed on Venti

[ocean ember]

Back then I really wanted Klee lmao

[bleak river]

Also same XD

[digital pilot]

From Xiao's rerun

[modern raven]

My 1st 10 pull on event banner was Keqing and Benny

[digital pilot]

Could've made c1 Xiao back then

[modern raven]

Arent Xiao cons bad?

[digital pilot]

Cucked by MonAss

[ocean ember]

Damn, that's nice. I lost my first 50/50 at over 80 pity xD

[digital pilot]

For those who doesn't want him, yes

[ocean ember]

C1 is fine, but his really good one is C6

[bleak river]

My first 5050 loss was high 70s

[digital pilot]

I want his c6

Wait til 6years from now

[bleak river]

Shing shing shing

[digital pilot]

I get his c6

[ocean ember]

I plan to go for his C6 eventually, but for that, I need to go through all the other ones lmao

[modern raven]

I rlly like Xiao, he was the 1st 5 star that I kept on maining even after I got Venti

[ocean ember]

Xiao's C6 is arguably the best C6 in the game

[digital pilot]

Gone to an account with C6 Xiao

Pretty much fun experience

[bleak river]

One doesn't rly main venti XD

[digital pilot]

Dash dash dash

[modern raven]

Keqing kinda shit so I used Kaeya

[digital pilot]

[modern raven]

Its better than maining keqing

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 14

[ocean ember]

Keqing's fun aklsjdsla I still use mine on overworld

[digital pilot]

Most fun c6 in-game, imo

[modern raven]

I was pissed at her during lantern rite, she kept coming home

[bleak river]

Itto is also p nice, ayaka for nuking, ayato also for nuking

[modern raven]

Not when u have her at C2 💀

C1 from Zhongli banner and C2 from standard

[ocean ember]

That's subjective (though I find it fun as well), but his C6 iirc is one of the highest damage increases in the game iirc

[ocean ember]

Got her C1 xD

[bleak river]

Y'all got keqing?

[digital pilot]

7-8 dashes with how much dmg? 30k-50kish each

Like wtf

[ocean ember]

True, though idk if they're as big of a damage increase as Xiao's. C6 Ganyu's, for instance, is also really neat.

[bleak river]

Ye ganyu for quickscoping

[modern raven]

I was hoping for Jade spear for Xiao but they had to give me keqing 🌚

[ocean ember]

I think it can be more than 8 dashes

[digital pilot]

Someone could make 100kish each E with bennett/food/zhongli shield

[bleak river]

Oh ye eula c6

Also p good iirc

[digital pilot]

Imagine having it at c6

[modern raven]

Ayato's hydro apply thing kinda sucks me and my ayato haver frend tried smacking with Ayato + Kazuha + Rosa and Diona

[digital pilot]

In 1sec? Definitely not. 3-4 dashes with c6, additional of 3 from his base E charges

[ocean ember]

Don't remember what it is tbh alkdjsal but yeah, I've heard her C6 is also great

[ocean ember]

It's not constrained to one second

It's constrained to his ult duration, and you only need to hit several enemies

Thus why Venti is actually good for C6 Xiao