🔨・build-discussion

[urban plaza]

So I'd say yes(?)

[ocean ember]

She's a selfish dps, meaning she wants as much field time as possible, so yeah, that's her main role

[wise oak]

should i prioritize bennett ult over mona ult

[fleet knot]

Get em both to TL8 and stop tbh

[wise oak]

i was planning on 9

both

283k without crit is pretty good

[high haven]

Im trying to actually build my Ayaka

[silent tulip]

@fleet knot Lets say I want to get a character fully built/near fully built
So i max the weapon, talents are 6-6-6
How good artifacts would i need in your opinion for investing in talents to be more worth it

Like for 1 crown

[fleet knot]

so if an artifact has 9 substats at +20, i might go for important talents to 8 once you have 4 good subs per arti, and probably wouldnt go passed 8 until you have 5-6 per arti

this is more or less arbitrary though, just an idea

good artis are way more important than talent levels

[silent tulip]

Of course they are

[vestal flicker]

Hp makes healing and shield better

I can show you later what build I have on her

I use a hybrid build

And can tell you how much healing and shield she has

Hybrid as in shield and heal

[modern raven]

for sucrose, sac or thrilling tales?

[urban plaza]

Depends on team comp ig

If she is there to just provide VV shred, TToDS

But if you're gonna be using her to share the EM, Sac frags

Like with Shogun, Xiao- she'd use TToDS

With Hu Tao/ yanfei... Sac frags

[modern raven]

what about diluc/xingqiu?

or hu tao/xingqiu?

and for morgana, I assume ttods?

[cyan mantle]

Can i just post a flex here

I finally got my yae to a good point

Ok just doin it lul

[subtle imp]

[cyan mantle]

[ocean ember]

Depends. TToDS tends to be better overall, but you need a strict rotation to make sure the buff goes to the appropriate character. Sac frags makes her a better battery and gives her EM. Hu Tao, for example, prefers sac frags since she can't make that much use of the TToDS buff.

It's not like the attack buff is that bad on Hu Tao, but more EM is basically better

On Diluc you could use both, but sac frags would probs be better depending on your rotation, since you'll probably won't rotate Sucrose into Diluc, as you need to swirl pyro

[modern raven]

How could I improve this Diluc build other than getting 4pc crimson?

[fleet knot]

Crit damage is low

[ocean ember]

Flower is pretty bad

[fleet knot]

Attack is low

[ocean ember]

You need to farm more overall

[fleet knot]

Basically you gotta use Bennett if you have an em timepiece

[ocean ember]

Also if you don't want 4p CW, you could do 2p CW and 2 WT

Level the weapon to 90 and level the final artefacts to 20 as well

Generally the artefacts could be much better, but specially the flower

[urban plaza]

Since Flower is strict HP main stat, and Feather is strict ATK main
You can be more choosy/particular there

With the substats and rolls, I mena

mean*

[ocean ember]

While the feather isn't that good, it's not completely terrible

The flower reaaally needs replacing

[quasi abyss]

just basically try to get no DEF% or flat DEF ig

sands could prob be ATK% or ER

[fleet knot]

diluc doesnt care about er at all

em is really good

but atk% is better

[modern raven]

i'm late, but that diluc i am using with xingqiu

i'm planning to farm crimson more to get a better flower too

also what crit rate and dmg should i have respectively?

and finally, what atk?

[ocean ember]

CR probs around at the very least 70%

Attack I'd say around 2k, but maaybe could get away with like 1.6k or the like with a raised Bennett

CDMG as much as possible as long as the rest of the stats are fine

Feather could also be better btw, same as the rest of the artefacts

[fleet knot]

Diluc scales with a crit stat, so he wants like 70:140 as a minimum

60:150 is worse but not bad

[modern raven]

scales with a crit stat how?

[fleet knot]

On ascension, diluc gains crit rate @modern raven

All units have an ascension stat, dilucs is crit

[modern raven]

because of that, would you say diluc is worth 90/90?

[fleet knot]

No

[modern raven]

i currently have him at 77

so 80 will be enough?

[fleet knot]

Going from 80/80 to 80/90 is like, 4% crit rate?

You have to spend days of resin on bosses and Mora to get that

[modern raven]

that is small

4% that is

well right now i'm trying to get the rest of my mains to 80

[fleet knot]

So it's not worth until you have good artis

Don't worry about leveling units

Some of my mains are still 70/70

Levels above 60/70 are borderline useless

[modern raven]

do you think chongyun is worth building? i have him at 60/60 currently

ooh and also i just got c6 xiangling

[fleet knot]

60/70 every unit you plan to use at all, it's super important

You unlock their final passive talent at that level

[modern raven]

and i also recently got c4 bennett and c4 xingqiu

[fleet knot]

C4 xingqiu is super good
C4 Bennett is a step towards c5 I guess

[modern raven]

speaking of which, do you think chongyun(c1 currently) could work with xingqiu in any team that is not og national?

[fleet knot]

Chongyun is whacky to fit in to teams, I'm not super sure

[modern raven]

because recently in the crimson domain, i paired the two and what i did was

use xingqiu's q, then chongyun's e, then chongyun autos

[fleet knot]

He isn't good for freeze-melt outside of og national because his cryo application isn't consistent without a constant physical attacker, which most teams don't have

[urban plaza]

Chongus, cryo kaeya, XQ

[modern raven]

chongus being?

[urban plaza]

Chongyun, sorry

I use that team, but I havent abyss-ed it yet

[fleet knot]

Chongyun can be a reverse melt nuker / sub dps

Good for breaking elemental shields

[modern raven]

haha it looked like chungus at first

oh and about diluc- i assume he doesn't need a whole lot of ER like mine is right now(131.7) since his Q only needs 40 energy?

[ocean ember]

Yeah, he doesn't really need ER

Like maybe 110% total but yeah

Plus he's usually ran alongside Bennett anyways

[modern raven]

Do any of you have any suggestions on how to build riden pls

raiden national?

[cyan mantle]

Raiden? Get as much ER as you can, 4pc Emblem; try to get a good crit ratio too. Many ppl recommend attack cup instead of electro damage

[ocean ember]

4p EoSF, either ER sands and ATK goblet or ATK sands and electro goblet (iirc the first is better with EL while the latter is better with catch, but ultimately it depends on what combo has better substats)

Also don't disregard the crit ratio as well, I'd aim for at least 60% CR and like 120% CDMG if possible, but it can be a bit hard since neither catch or EL have a crit stat, though catch gives 12% CR on the passive to her burst iirc

[modern raven]

Okok thank you so much

she came unexpectedly and I was not ready

Thank you

[quasi abyss]

i have favonice lance, EoSF 4set, ATK% sands, electro dmg goblet, ATK% circlet

[modern raven]

Thank youu so much

[quasi abyss]

same!

[ocean ember]

ATK circlet isn't recommended at all but I guess can work while you get a better one if you really have nothing else

[quasi abyss]

why?

[ocean ember]

But you're welcome!

Crit is muuuch more valuable than ATK (on the circlet, as you can't get crit mainstat on any other artefact)

[quasi abyss]

oh

[ocean ember]

And you can get ATK buffs easily from outside sources, like Bennett

[quasi abyss]

true

[ocean ember]

ATK circlet is not used on anyone but Shenhe probably

[quasi abyss]

she has like 1200 atk rn

[ocean ember]

Maybe like Jean as well

[quasi abyss]

do does my kaeya

so

[ocean ember]

Are the artefacts levelled? That's insanely low for double ATK main stat

[modern raven]

I love y’all so much thank youu

[quasi abyss]

the sands is fully lvled and the circlet it like lvl 9

[ocean ember]

Levelled weapon?

That is still pretty low afaik

[quasi abyss]

lvv 60 favonise lance

money probs rn sadge

got like 800 mora rn

[ocean ember]

Get her catch tbh alksdald

[quasi abyss]

i’m struggling to get it

i’ma just lvl favonis lance

it’s working rn

[ocean ember]

Tbh I don't really recommend to level it unless you're gonna use it on someone else later on

[fleet knot]

actually, apparently its quite good for raiden too

which is very surprising to me

also for some cryo units like ganyu or ayaka, there is an argument to be made for it

still definitely an uncommon use case though

[ocean ember]

I guess in that case, for Raiden I mean, you'd be disregarding crit entirely? Or just try and get all artefacts to like 40CV maybe lmao

[modern raven]

I’m sorry to ask another question do y’all think you could help me with my albedo build

[fleet knot]

i mean, if you consider an atk circlet to be like a crit damage circlet

but your missed crits are way stronger

thats the idea, at least

[ocean ember]

Ahh guess it makes sense

[fleet knot]

ive heard its better for crit hit damage aswell, which i basically dont believe

unless you have c6 sara

in which case, sure

[ocean ember]

Usually just DEF, Geo and crit, specially if you have cinnabar

[fleet knot]

:P

[ocean ember]

Dunno about double DEF instead of geo

[modern raven]

Here

[fleet knot]

albedo wants a geo goblet all the way, no questions about that one

def timepiece for sure

and a crit or def circlet, though its hard for def circlet to be better

[modern raven]

It’s loading

[ocean ember]

Ah probably alsdjka C6 is like a crit damage circlet right?

[fleet knot]

60 crit damage yeah

[modern raven]

There we go

[ocean ember]

Yeah I guess in that case it could make sense to go for an atk circlet instead, if it has good substats

[ocean ember]

Also I recommend shinshin.moe xD

[fleet knot]

r3 cinnabar

[modern raven]

I didn’t play the event

[fleet knot]

rip

[modern raven]

[ocean ember]

That R3 cinnabar would haunt me forever

[fleet knot]

im not sure how it compares to a r5 HoD then

tbh

[modern raven]

It haunts me too

[ocean ember]

Also you didn't include the stats page

[modern raven]

I have r5 HoD I think

I didn’t?

Damn it

Give me a min

[ocean ember]

Just ss it and paste it here

[ocean ember]

No need to redo that image from before

[modern raven]

There we go

[ocean ember]

Aight well CR seems low but you also haven't levelled the circlet

[modern raven]

Ignore crit ratio

[ocean ember]

You have a bit too much EM as well imo

[modern raven]

I’m trying to run him as a main dps

[fleet knot]

crit ratio with albedo is tuff because he doesnt get any crit from anything extra

only artis

[modern raven]

Yea

[ocean ember]

If you mean main dps as in on field

[modern raven]

Yea

[ocean ember]

You probably need physical instead

[modern raven]

Sorry

Hmm

How would I do that?

[ocean ember]

Imo there's no real reason to run him as main on the field dps since you'd be doing more damage with any other unit there instead but yeah

[river ore]

@ocean ember has leveled up to LEVEL 22

[ocean ember]

Not sure

[modern raven]

Just a full physical build?

[ocean ember]

I don't think it's worth it to do physical as I don't believe it'd ever be better damage than his E but yeah

That's why it confuses me so much to have him on the field xD

[modern raven]

Cuz the team is more around him I guess

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[modern raven]

I understand

[fleet knot]

phys albedo is really hard to recommend

[ocean ember]

Maybe just keep him as is and resign to him not doing any damage at all on his normals if you really want to force him on the field

He was just not designed to be ran on the field tbh

[modern raven]

If you want to know the team is gorou, zongli, and niguang

[ocean ember]

You'd probably be better off having Ningg on the field

[modern raven]

Yea

I’m just doing this because I like him a lot

[fleet knot]

like, if you want to run him on field
maybe build attack for his burst

and use a 5* sword if you can

[modern raven]

I have no five star swords sadly

[quasi abyss]

prototype rancor

that could work

[ocean ember]

Ehhh not sure

[quasi abyss]

why?

[ocean ember]

Maaybe, but still think cinnabar would be better even in that situation

Because as Balakin said, it'd probably be better to just try to build more ATK into him to balance his damage a bit instead of going physical

[quasi abyss]

oh

[copper surge]

so i only have one anemo character and i'm really struggling with crowd control in the abyss; i end up wasting time chasing down enemies. anyone have any tips for abyss 2.5 team comps?

[ocean ember]

What are your characters?

And what floor?

If you're W1, I'd honestly ignore abyss for now, maybe just up to floor 3 for Xiangling

[copper surge]

i have a built raiden national team, zhongli, ningguang, diluc, and a morgana team with no venti so i use zhongli for shield; plus beidou and fischl

they're all lvl 70/80 except ning raiden beidou and ganyu who are 80/80

i'm struggling especially with floor 9 chamber 2 with the treasure hoarders

[ocean ember]

I'd suggest melt Ganyu but both Bennett and Xiangling are already taken for Raiden national

Tbf though if you're using freeze Ganyu regardless, with no CC, specially with Zhongli you shouldn't need to run after the mobs, you can snipe them

You have various team alternatives but if you're struggling with Raiden national I'm not sure what I could suggest, specially if traveller is your only anemo

[copper surge]

is level an issue here? i'll try melt ganyu

raiden national is good with single target but with large crowds i think it's not as strong

[ocean ember]

Not really, I'd guess probably the artefacts

I assume your weapons are level 80? At least for the dps units

[copper surge]

yeah

[ocean ember]

Idk how the builds are either, but I also assume they're usually ATK/elemental/crit, with the variations needed for some characters

Like Xiangling can usually do ER or EM sands

[copper surge]

i try to go for 1:2 crit ratio but i don't really have good pieces

[ocean ember]

Raiden is ER sands and ATK gob, or ATK sands and electro gob

[copper surge]

my raiden has 60% crit damage is that normal

[ocean ember]

That is insanely low ngl aldkjklsad

[copper surge]

[ocean ember]

She's expected to have lower in general due to her best weapons having ER as stat

But you'd usually aim for like at least 60% CR and 120% CDMG, more if possible

[copper surge]

ahahahaha maybe i should just grind artifacts for now

[ocean ember]

Aksadkja probably ^^' levels seem fine, and talents aren't that much of a priority (though I recommend getting the important ones to at least level 6)

[copper surge]

yeah i have important talents at lvl 6/7

on the bright side my ningguang has 60/120 so we're getting somewhere

[ocean ember]

Yeah, for Ningg that ratio is fine enough aksdjal

Good luck with the grinding thoughh

[copper surge]

thank uuuuu

[ocean ember]

Yw! c:

[modern raven]

Xiao build showcase (+Bennett Support Showcase)

[coral siren]

Kokomi is a monster

[silent tulip]

What is sucrose doing there

[strong geyser]

does yae work instead of fish with yanfei overload

[modern raven]

Idk i just see her randomly in showcases

[silent tulip]

Well, it isn't exactly randomly

In most showcases she's there because the character usually deals Cryo/Pyro/Electro damage

so she swirls that

After that said character has far more EM than before

On top of the +20% damage bonus from her c6

and the VV set can reduce the enemy's Cryo/Pyro/Electro res by 60% which is pretty huge

While Xiao does not benefit from the EM because most of his damage is anemo

He does not benefit from the +20% damage bonus because anemo is not swirlable

and nor does he benefit from the -60% res because... well anemo

@modern raven

Characters you can use in her place would be
Thoma (pyro res+plunging atk damage at c6)
Lisa(-15% def)
Razor (-15% def c4)
Klee(-23% def at c2)
Jean(-40% anemo res at c4)
Zhongli(-20% elemental res)

the list probably goes on but these are the ones i can think of

[steady stream]

Zhongli at c0?

[river ore]

@steady stream has leveled up to LEVEL 4

[silent tulip]

Yes

zhongli at c0

his Hold E decreases elemental and physical res by 20% to enemies nearby

[steady stream]

Ooo

Interesting

[silent tulip]

i just checked venti

-24% anemo res from his c2

additional -20% from his c6

[daring onyx]

Hypothetically what if I try to make my kokomi crit 🤔

[silent tulip]

In all honesty, not worth it

sure you'll see the number itself being bigger, but the damage will be lower than an actual build

[daring onyx]

Idrk how to build my kokomi so I'm just thinking of crit build that's all I got 🙁

What's a good party/build for her? Preferably DPS but she'll probably be the healer too

[mossy barn]

Doesn't anemo traveller also decreases anemo res

[silent tulip]

As I said, the list probs goes on

[mossy barn]

oh ok

[modern raven]

Ohh okay

[modern raven]

I can only do lisa

[silent tulip]

So Lisa, Bennett, Mona

That seems good

[pastel cape]

Put TTDS on Lisa too and right after Lisa swap to Xiao

Oh you know what i used to do XD I would put Xiangling in and pick up Guoba's chilli for 10% atk
Plus having xiangling and bennett on the team gives pyro resonance (25% atk)

[silent tulip]

Xiangling + pyro res is not as worth as lisa and ttds tho

Like.. Xiangling+Pyro res is 35% atk
TTDS is 48% atk by itself and lisa can reduce def

dont forget that in that situation atk% has reduced value due to bennett too

[ocean ember]

I use her myself in one account and yeah, though, same situation as Fischl, you need a second electro to guarantee the electro aura. I use Beidou.

[strong geyser]

oh okay thanks yeah thats what i did

[ocean ember]

Yeah, that should work pretty fine

Plus in this situation it could be fine to stack a bit of EM on Yae as well if you find yourself not having 100% uptime with Beidou's burst, because Yae would end up triggering the overloads instead

[silent tulip]

Or you can just put sucrose and take advantage of electro chars's high base stats

[ocean ember]

I'm talking about the aura though

[urban plaza]

Who

Who this Aura bich

[ocean ember]

If you want to reliably overload with Yanfei, you need two electro characters

It's usually Fischl and Beidou, but Yae imo can replace either

Fourth character can be Sucrose ofc, though you'd run without healing/shield

I'd personally rather Sayu or Kokomi

Rn I'm stuck with either Bennett (but in abyss he's paired with national) or Diona xD

[quasi abyss]

how bad is her build?

her talents and artifacts arent that lvled up cause i hate using ley lines

and i have no mora

[wise oak]

uh

the crit rate and dmg def bring those up

you could replace the flower

sands

and if u dont have enough crit rate do crit rate circlet vise versa with crtid mg

other than that i think its fine since all u lack is mora

plus lvl up the weapon once u have enough mora

[quasi abyss]

ooo

ok!

[wise oak]

lmfao i think ur build is depedent on mora rn 😅

[lunar meadow]

how should I prepare to build for Ayato?

It seems like his burst is similar to Ganyu's burst. Can I take any advantages from it?

[steady stream]

Talent 1 6 6
CR/CD 60/120
ER 220<

[steady stream]

And get the catch

[quasi abyss]

NOO DDD:

sadge i have to farm it now

[modern raven]

What do u think abt it?

Should I try to invest?

how do I view a character's build after importing my data? All I get is just the list of characters I own

[quasi abyss]

you don’t

[modern raven]

So why did people tell me to use this site to do exactly that then

[steady stream]

Sadly if i were to rate that build i'd give it a 1/10.......lol

You are missing 3 most impt stat component, your talents and your weapon

[steady stream]

What are u even talking about?

[steady stream]

See 4th stats

[steady stream]

And also is it for a pyro

[soft stirrup]

Is it normal that the site does not work?

[modern raven]

What do u think abt Bennett?

Am trying to built him rn

[steady stream]

Bennett?

[modern raven]

oh I see, they were talking about shinshin, not paimon.moe

[quasi abyss]

bennetts wonderful if you build him right!

!!

[steady stream]

It works on him

[modern raven]

I will try then, thx <33

[steady stream]

Depends on what you want to build your bennett for as well

[soft stirrup]

?

[steady stream]

Mine is built entirely for heal and atk buff

[modern raven]

Well more like his burst

[steady stream]

So its not well built

[steady stream]

Healing?

[modern raven]

Atk

[steady stream]

If its healing then go for max hp

[modern raven]

I already use Kokomi for heal

[steady stream]

Uhm bennett scales off his base atk

Not overall attack

[modern raven]

Yup, but can use him like support

[steady stream]

So u need max level + aquila favonia to do max atk buff

Well sure

But i wont put kokomi and bennett on the same team thats for sure

[modern raven]

In fact I don't need a healer, with Zhongli's shield

Who would be a great team for him?

[soft stirrup]

Is it normal that the site does not work??

[modern raven]

Want to use him more bc I just got 3 of his constellation

[steady stream]

Shinshin?

[quasi abyss]

what’s wrong with it?

[steady stream]

He is viable for almost any team comp

[quasi abyss]

idk

[steady stream]

Tried refreshing?

[quasi abyss]

you could be doing sm wrong

[modern raven]

Got it, thxxxxc

[quasi abyss]

^^^

[soft stirrup]

Yes

[quasi abyss]

he applys pyro

so overload could be easy to do

[ocean ember]

Disable ad block or change to uBlock Origin

[ocean ember]

Wait you're on mobile akjshdka idk, but I'm sure this problem has been mentioned before so look it up in feedback

[modern raven]

Imma redo my Xiao showcase with Bennett, Mona and Lisa

[soft stirrup]

Ok thank u

[fleet knot]

Unusable
Literally every single stat there is too low

Defo get the catch
It's an annoying grind but you only have to finish it once, y'know?

[idle granite]

unless they make another weapon through fishing

[mossy barn]

guys is 48/76 ok on Geo Aether?

Or should I get the blackliff sword

[short bison]

My Aether's at level 20 so i don't know 💀

[mossy barn]

iz ok lol

[gritty tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PebOzIX-hD0

[river ore]

@gritty tusk has leveled up to LEVEL 5

[weak cargo]

U think the sumeru nation will give us the history?

The general history, like what happened to khanreih

Maybe even a false narrative

Or we will have to until cyro archon?

[rigid crater]

What's the best artifact set for razor?

[silent tulip]

Probably 4 piece pale flame

[rigid crater]

OK thanks, already have a decent set, just missing goblet

[frail dune]

Prototype starglitter works with Xiangling?

[urban plaza]

Technically everything works with her

You have to balance her stats with artifacts hence

Do you mean the craftable though?

It isn't high on the recommended list though

[silk nest]

yeh she can match with almost every polearm

[silk nest]

but i think sub stat doesnt match her much

[frail dune]

Trying to run her on national team but I'm out of polearms

[silk nest]

since lemme guest she is sub dps(?)

you dont have the catch?

[frail dune]

Catch with raiden

[urban plaza]

Do you have dragon's banev

[frail dune]

No

[urban plaza]

I gave mine blackcliff since I needed the CD

[silk nest]

ok then prototype starglitter is the best choice

if f2p

[frail dune]

I can get blackcliff but CD on her is useless since she's my support

[frail dune]

Okay getting it

[urban plaza]

Not really

[frail dune]

I need ER more than CD

[urban plaza]

Since you're running national, She'd require CD

[silk nest]

cd is still important but she still need er

[urban plaza]

Because she is going to be doing damage too

I run mine with ER sands and 4 emblem

Benny makes up for the low attack

[frail dune]

I am getting good CD from artifacts

ER is low on her

[urban plaza]

No favonius Lance?

What Sand are you using on her

[steady stream]

I'd say CR = CD = ER on national

[urban plaza]

you can lower your ER requirement than usual, in case of Rational- since Shogun would help too

[steady stream]

So far my xl, xq, benny has about 180 ER with my raiden at 270, for now raiden has enough ER to nearly full charge them once her burst concludes, all i need is an E to pump out the remainder before the cd completely ends and a new burst cycle commence.

[frail dune]

With my Hybrid Zhongli

[steady stream]

Wouldnt prototype be better on zl though

[frail dune]

I don't know, I don't have it yet

Didn't test on him

[fleet knot]

Isn't the idea that er > all else until you have enough

Then you try to get as much damage as possible

Because uptime is basically the best thing you can do in terms of damage until VERY high levels of investment

[rustic lily]

hi, what's the rotation to get Childe's dmg? chars: bennett and sucrose with thrilling tales,

[fleet knot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esQi-FO4S7c&ab_channel=Zy0x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlkYG11H3G8&ab_channel=TenTen

[rustic lily]

oopp genuinely didnt realize i can look it up on ytb hahahaha thanks

[fleet knot]

These are the ones I'd recommend

Zy0x and tenten in general are very good

[steady stream]

I was focusing on uptime until recently when my raiden hits 270 ER and yeah rotation uptime is kind of achieved with the rest at ~180 er

[fleet knot]

Yeah Raiden does ease up that requirement, but even still

If you're new with low quality artifacts

180 er and 30:70 crit ratio is better than 120 er and 50:100 crit ratio

Yknow

Granted I pulled those numbers out of my ass but you get the idea

[steady stream]

Yeah i know

Early on i did sacrificed quite a lot of cr and cd in favor of er

[steady stream]

This one is clear and concise and straight to the point. Problem with a lot of vids is they are vague on what to do exactly and probs just showcase and thats just either useless or just common knowledge that everyone knows. Kinda why i stopped trying to watch and understand people's vids early on

[fleet knot]

Mhm

That's why I like em as videos to recommend

[modern raven]

which characters would yun jin be good with?

[ocean ember]

Any auto attacker

[modern raven]

#🌎・out-of-topic

[ocean ember]

Mainly Yoimiya, but also Noelle (as main dps ofc), Razor and if you build any other character as physical dps (or I guess just auto attacker Chongyun, since he'd be cryo still)

[ocean ember]

That's a hacked account

[fleet knot]

Tbh yunjin is only a character I would recommend for yoimiya and a main dps ayato

@modern raven

Other chars that ater mentioned can work but idk if their teams have the space

[ocean ember]

I've seen Noelle, Gorou, Yun Jin and either Zhongli, Bennett or Albedo

As for Razor, well, he isn't played much tbh but he only really needs a cryo, so Razor, Yun Jin, cryo unit and either another cryo or another electro most of the time, or Bennett I guess

[fleet knot]

Could probably work

[timber hearth]

make me a team with beido main dps

[idle granite]

she is mainly used as a support with her E counter attacking doing good damage and her burst with shield is good with the off field electro assist damage. Her normal attack animations are clunky and how they hit enemies can end up losing damage.

[timber hearth]

But what if I want to main dps her because I literally have no other semi built dps characters

[ocean ember]

Not support, but sub dps

But yeah, it's not recommended to have her on field auto attacking

A good team for Beidou is tazer with Sucrose, where Sucrose is the one on the field

[timber hearth]

Yeah

My problem is

That

I have no good onfild damage dealer

none

[ocean ember]

Do you not have Sucrose?

[timber hearth]

no

[ocean ember]

Well, what are your characters then

[timber hearth]

Idk

can't be fucked loading up genshin

but

All I can tell you is

[ocean ember]

Then I can't help you xD

[timber hearth]

I have no on field 5* dps characters

[ocean ember]

I can't suggest a decent team if I don't know what are your characters

[timber hearth]

wait

[timber hearth]

manually

added this all

[ocean ember]

Why anemo traveller at C70

[idle granite]

Yanfei is good and her with Beidou can go good together

[timber hearth]

:troll:

[ocean ember]

But yeah, I run Yanfei, Beidou, Yae and flex con my Asia account which is AR45

[idle granite]

even Jean can be made into a dps

[fleet knot]

could be a little less commanding 🥴

[timber hearth]

lele

[ocean ember]

Flex is usually Bennett, but sometimes Diona. Sayu and Jean are also good options (I don't have Sayu, and just got Jean yesterday)

[timber hearth]

I mean that in a sarcastic/joking way lel

[ocean ember]

Don't recommend though

[ocean ember]

Tbh I don't find it funny, but to each their own

[timber hearth]

Ohwell

The thing is

I have like

50 burst supports

[ocean ember]

Most "burst supports" are sub-dps units, or just plain dps

Ayaka for example is a burst focused unit and she's not a support

[timber hearth]

Which of those do you recommend on field dps

[ocean ember]

Ganyu in a freeze comp is focused on her burst and she is also not a burst support

[ocean ember]

I recommend this

And I think it's obvious who is on field, but if it wasn't it's Yanfei

[timber hearth]

hm

[ocean ember]

It's an overload Yanfei comp, so you need EM on Yanfei

[timber hearth]

Ok

[idle granite]

just make sure Yae is away from campfires and berries or you might lose damage

[ocean ember]

And try to have Yae's totems out and Beidou's burst out as well as much as possible

[timber hearth]

hmmhhmmhmh

[ocean ember]

Afaik, her totems don't target inanimate stuff unless there's no other living thing close though

Could be wrong though

[timber hearth]

I think it prioritises closest

From my roster of characters, who should I be saving for

[timber hearth]

Do you have experience using rosaria

I have her semi-built on physical

[ocean ember]

Well, firstly, whatever character you really like. Asides from that, if you're asking about characters that will rerun soon or are likely to be rerun, Ayaka is a great dps unit. Venti is also a great unit, but he's support/sub-dps. Ayato seems to be a good quickswap-ish dps or sub-dps unit as well. Yoimiya imo is underrated, she can be a great single target unit as well and you can run her in overload like Yanfei, so with Beidou and Yae in this case.

[urban plaza]

I've seen vids of her targeting a box and ignoring enemies

[timber hearth]

Probably box is close lmao

[urban plaza]

Yee, But I meant that she doesn't focus on enemy, over inanimates

[ocean ember]

Itto might get a rerun soon-ish as well (like Yoimiya), and you do have Gorou (although C1), but you'd be lacking a third geo unit (unless you'd be willing to use geo traveller) so I wouldn't recommend it. Plus his best 4* weapon, by quite a margin afaik, is SS, which has to be bought.

Also idk about Yae, will pay attention next time but I've never noticed that in like hilichurls camps. Just that they tend to focus the furthest hilichurl possible at times lmao

[timber hearth]

lmao my geo traveller is level 80 because I jsut so happen to have enough resources at liek ar45

[ocean ember]

Hu Tao and Childe miiiight get a rerun soon-ish as well, and both are really good units. Both have a bit of strict comps though, Childe being mostly limited to national with Xiangling or tazer with Beidou and Fischl (or Yae I guess), and Hu Tao needs XQ to function (the other two can be double cryo with Kaeya and Diona, double geo with Zhongli and Albedo or pyro VV with Sucrose/Kazuha and Thoma or C4 Yanfei)

[timber hearth]

Heh, I honestly would get chillde because I have a level 1 rusty amo's bow

[urban plaza]

CHILDE

[ocean ember]

Kazuha is also another character that will probably come soon, and he's a great support as well but if you want a dps, he's not really the choice

[ocean ember]

Rust could work for him ye, Amos' bow not really

[timber hearth]

I've heard more people who has said amo's would work better than rust

[ocean ember]

Though idk, maybe Amos' is better than R1 Rust due to base attack

[timber hearth]

Also

I don't even have rust

lel

[ocean ember]

Don't just believe what random people say, but then again, Amos' miight be better if Rust is R1

Ah, I thought you meant you have R1 Rust and an Amos'

But yeah, Amos' passive is mostly wasted on Childe

[timber hearth]

Ganyu is not getting rerun any time soon I suspect

So

Chillde

cmon man

[ocean ember]

I'd recommend Ayaka since you do have Mona, but you'd be lacking an anemo unit. It's either Venti or Kazuha, but Sucrose can suffice in the meantime, assuming you get her. Not sure if you're f2p, but if you have Welkin, you might be able to snatch both Ayaka and Kazuha, depending on when Kazuha comes (I'm hoping he's 2.7 second half the earliest, though there are rumours he'll be in 2.8)

If you spend more money, getting Venti and Ayaka both next patch would be pretty good

[timber hearth]

As a competitive pokemon player, I find genshin VERY similar as in game mechanic optimisation

[timber hearth]

I ain't spending money, I guess they are out of the option

Plus, I'm not gonna spend any primos on 2.6

ayato and ayaka I didn't really want to start with

I just want to make sure

I can get the right fucking unit for my team synergy

lelele

[ocean ember]

Childe goes with Xiangling, Bennett and Sucrose, and Xiangling needs good investment as well

[timber hearth]

As muchas I want sucrose

[ocean ember]

For tazer, it's Childe, anemo VV (usually Sucrose), Beidou and Fischl/Yae

[timber hearth]

I just threw some nobless and pyro cup on XL and didn't really care

but she is at level 70

[ocean ember]

Xiangling goes with EoSF

Noblesse goes on Bennett xD

[timber hearth]

what is eosf

[ocean ember]

Xiangling is a dps, not a buffer

Emblem of Severed Fate

[timber hearth]

oh yes that

too

[ocean ember]

But she needs the 4p

[timber hearth]

I know

[river ore]

@timber hearth has leveled up to LEVEL 9

[ocean ember]

I usually don't recommend this, but if you're not at high pity and aren't on guarantee (which I doubt since you got Yae), you should try to get Sucrose imo

[timber hearth]

I got mona like a week ago

[ocean ember]

A CC anemo unit is generally important

[timber hearth]

15 pity rn

[ocean ember]

Welp xD

[timber hearth]

I was looking for the chemical formula the other day

[timber hearth]

I don't get how those work tho

why do you need swril

how does swirl actuallyu wrok

[ocean ember]

Because VV shreds defenses

It's not the swirl, it's the set

[timber hearth]

oh that artifact set

Yeah no, I actually don't want to go through the pain of artifact farming

I just accedenatlly used 12 fragil resin today

And got literally nothing

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1rage-tyler1-loltyler1-league-of-legends-lol-gif-17905699

[ocean ember]

It's inevitable in Genshin though xD

[timber hearth]

I will when I can do it on my own

I can't rn

Cus my characters are shit

Rn I just get random people to match

and do domains

[steady stream]

@fleet knot are these numbers below possible for f2p?

**On what character...?
Raiden? Your burst should do at least 150k
Xiangling? Your pyronado hits should be at least 25k
Noelle? Your burst hits should be 20+k each
Ganyu? Your charged ATK AoE should be 35k+
Yoimiya? You really want your strongest normal hit to be 50k+

That's some "comfort zones for damage" off the top of my mind. I have middle of the way artifacts and nearly no 5* specific character weapons.**

Personally speaking these numbers are bogus, some of these are still possible but only with the maximum build and damage potential and under a specific condition. But this guy's raiden damage assumption is just plain and simply bogus though.

All raw dmg above

[fleet knot]

35k blooms with no buffs is going to be near impossible without amos

[steady stream]

With amos can hit but at maximum build right? Under normal circumstances

[fleet knot]

ok yeah as raw damage numbers these are all unreasonable

they would have to be buffed

[rustic plank]

My max ganyu unbuffed was like 27k, that with like mostly 40+ cv artifacts except for the goblet (blackcliff r1 3 stack), 35k+ is

[fleet knot]

like, my c3 raiden no buffs does 91k bursts

on crit

and this guy is saying 150k for comfortable f2p?

[steady stream]

I can confirm raiden's 150k is impossible even when i fish for atk and crit dmg, ignoring crit rate and having 270 ER

At c0 with el

[fleet knot]

if i add bennett its 141k

[steady stream]

Yeah

Kinda why i went to try and correct him lol

That number is simply impossible with a half baked build

[fleet knot]

these numbers are all higher than my own numbers and i go for 5* weapons

[steady stream]

If hes saying c3 raiden on fishing mode

With el

180k is possible at max chakra stacks

But 150 without all these is just a no

[ocean ember]

That Yoimiya 50k I barely ever see with CCs lmao

[steady stream]

With melt is possible to hit 50k

[ocean ember]

Not saying it's impossible but yeah

[steady stream]

At c0

[fleet knot]

like who is saying that

lmao

[steady stream]

Some guy who is trying to recommend a newbie somewhere

[ocean ember]

Yeah, but you can't reliable forward melt with Yoi

[steady stream]

Exactly

[fleet knot]

cant reliably forward melt

like, with anyone

closest is a c2 ayaka

but thats still only a few seconds

[steady stream]

Yeah exactly

[ocean ember]

Yeah, those numbers are mostly really unreasonable xD

[steady stream]

My c0 raiden with bennett buff on my small acc maximum is 120k

I was like

150k no buff? Wtf?

[fleet knot]

this was without e active, so its 98 and 150ish with bennett

but yeah, still

i have c3r1 and raiden has some of the highest quality artis on my whole account

these numbers feel too low, actually
i recall doing 200k with just bennett

anyways

[steady stream]

This is gay

[fleet knot]

🏳️‍🌈

[urban plaza]

🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

[steady stream]

I like how miko just look at them while they are being sucked in and be like "sup boys"

[timber hearth]

Me here having amos but no ganyu 💀

[urban plaza]

I LOVE THIS VIDEO

[steady stream]

🙃

[ebon ginkgo]

i have no idea what im doing with Mona so i threw on 4p emblem with er sands, if im doing this wrong please correct me

crit rate kinda sadge tho

that looks better but the er dropped a bit

shes level 20 and using a level 60 fav codex so if i level her up the er will go up a lot

[urban plaza]

That usually should be enough
But the overall thingy also depends on what you use her for

[ebon ginkgo]

uh i have no clue lmao

im putting her on the friendship team, meaning shes running with xiao jean and thoma

so i guess i just want damage out of her

[urban plaza]

Lmao I see

If you use her as a buffer, you won't need crit stats

Just ER stack

Even more so because, as a buffer, she won't be on field except for doing her burst

[ebon ginkgo]

hmm im a little bit curious about oathsworn eye versus fav codex

oathsworn would definitely be more damage, but youd have to use your skill before your burst

[urban plaza]

Alternatively, as a buffer, you can give her thrilling tales

[fleet knot]

oh hey remember how i said it felt low?
yeah, that was 0 resolve stacks

[steady stream]

I guessed as much

XD

[fleet knot]

so no buffs except 3 for me is 153k

but again, im c3r1

[steady stream]

Noice

[fleet knot]

far from f2p

[severe vine]

is this good for bennett?

[fleet knot]

no +0 artifacts are good

[bleak river]

^ so please level them before showing

[silent tulip]

Today i actually got a proof of that for myself

Started as a 4sub

Somehow i managed to lose the 50/50 4/5 times even here

[gritty tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdADdNubrZY

[daring onyx]

how should i build kokomi?? (dps, support, crit?)

[gilded dock]

HP HP HB is her best build for the most situations at hand

preferably 4 millelith, though a mix of any between Maiden Beloved, Ocean-Hued Clam, TM 2pc or 4pc works for her

as for weapons, Prototype Amber R5 is the best to smooth out rotations and stuff, while TTDS is necessary if you support an ayaka or ganyu

Without Prototype Amber, Kokomi will need ~200-220% Energy Recharge (170-190% with Prototype Amber at [R1] and 150-170% at [R5])

R5 amber is quite the help

[silk nest]

isnt her donut (everlasting moonglow) is the best for her?

[gilded dock]

R5 Hakushin Ring could also work for an EC comp, but that requires you to use the mask (rip me) and the 20% dmg increase isn't that big

[gilded dock]

ONLY if you use her as an on-field DPS unit. and noone does that typically. and if they do, they use the meme Crit build

the issue is the R1 values suck compared to prototype amber

[silk nest]

with hp% and healing bonus 10% ? dps?

[gilded dock]

R5 Amber grants

41.3% / 49.6% HP
18e / 0.6e per hit
18% Team Healing instead of lackluster damage

and amber doesn't cost 270 pulls

10% healing bonus at R1 is just a joke
and the 1% dmg bonus won't ever exceed 500 on her

[silk nest]

then we can say prototype amber is the best choice for f2p

[gilded dock]

I mean sure, it doubles her personal damage pre-ult, but that's not a good argument lol

[gilded dock]

no, it isn't even close tbh

[silk nest]

.

[gilded dock]

to make full use of donut, you need to at least be onfield for the whole Q duration... which no team really wants you to do

so, the passive effectively ends after 10%HB

and, when you already heal enough, your issue is getting the Q up on-time, not even more healing

and R5 Amber gets you 18 / 70e back, no questions asked

and going from a 220%+ ER requirement all the way down to 150% in an energy-rich team means you get to spend that many more sub rolls for HP%

and that's basically the difference between ER and HP sands

and some extra subs

[silk nest]

bro she IS healer and there is another battery

[gilded dock]

you are literally missing the fucking point

[silk nest]

ur comparing F2P weapon and HER SIGNATURE WEAPON

[gilded dock]

HER SIG WEAPON IS TRASH

[silk nest]

amber is best choice for her as f2p for sure

[gilded dock]

my kokomi passively heals my active char by 6k every 2s
more is not needed
so the focus is on her energy, which prototype amber does best

her weapon's passive is just dogshit

10% HB, that's it

don't just blindly believe ign

kokomi's DPS is like 5% of the team's total DPS if your team is built right. Moonglow only benefits her personal damage

some teams her dps is as low as sub-3%

e.g. my current team I am using her for

[fleet knot]

Her signature weapon is garbage

I have it and do not use it

It's intended for an on-field sub dps kokomi who builds healer stats

Complete nonsense

You're better off using 3* ttods for buffing for proto amber, like falthis has been saying

Hakushin ring has some interesting use-cases aswell

But kokomi, when used as ""intended"", is by all means a wasted character slot
That's why nobody uses her that way

[gilded dock]

donut would need to scale off 10% her max HP at R1 to be worth using as a sub-dps on-field. and even then, you'd need R5 to make it worth it

[silent tulip]

Im kinda curious as to how was kokomi supposed to be used

Like.. a bruiser?

A third way too overkill healer?(because 2 isn't enough for 2 teams y'know?)

A dps?

[gilded dock]

probably bruiser; and then nerfed her to the ground

[silent tulip]

I see

[oblique pelican]

The negative crit was really unnecessary

What were they thinking 🤔

[fleet knot]

Should have been +100% crit rate but then she has low scalings to compensate

Would have made for a much more interesting character imo

Her weap could have been crit damage stat

[idle granite]

mainly Kokomi is only really useful because of her hydro application

[fleet knot]

And role consolidation

Her hydro application alone isn't actually that good

Not significantly better than Mona

Worse than childe

But neither of those units fill the defensive role

Except maybe a Mona with proto amber

Which is sufficient for freeze teams in many cases

[ocean ember]

I'd say Kokomi's hydro application is significantly better than Mona's, at least in longer fights. The jellyfish ticks faster (at least afaik), lasts longer and can be refreshed via her burst. Not sure if the jellyfish has 100% uptime but I'd think it's close to that. On the other hand, Mona's taunt lasts less and ticks slower, and you can't refresh it. Her burst applies hydro as well, but iirc it's only twice (iirc? when it's casted and when the bubble breaks).

But yeah, I agree in that what makes her the most useful is filling both hydro application and healing in one role, as the only other option before was Barbara (depending on the team and on the player, XQ can suffice, and Mona with prototype, but heavily depends on the player imo).

[gilded dock]

with proper management, you have a 2s window every 10-12s to press E or Q

[ocean ember]

So 100% uptime then, if you don't miss the window?

[gilded dock]

basically

12s duration with 20s cd on E
and 18s cd on Q

so you have a 2s window, then 4s window

rinse and repeat

just press E or Q every 10s and you have it up permanently

[ocean ember]

Ohh that's neat

Then yeah, Mona's hydro application has a significantly shorter uptime imo

[gilded dock]

mona only works because venti infusion and DMG bonus goes boom on mobs, tbh

[ocean ember]

Tbf it's hard to get the hydro infusion if you're running TToDS on Mona, unless you swap in to Ganyu/Ayaka for like a second before swapping to Venti or Kazuha

[modern raven]

for freeze ganyu, if you are using polar star, why is it better to have low crit rate?

[ocean ember]

Because of BS

That set gives you 40% CR on frozen enemies

Plus the innate 5%

Plus 15% from cryo resonance

And 20% from her A1

80% for free if the conditions are met

[modern raven]

okay, but is the fact that you are going to get a lot of crit rate a bad thing?

other than that you should probably focus on crit dmg?

[ocean ember]

Yeah, if you get past 100%

And tbh 80% crit rate is more than enough in most cases

Like, getting 10/20% crit rate from artefacts would still be fine, but you should be focusing on crit damage and attack

[gilded dock]

actually, if you time it right with the moment hydro stays on the mob, PHEC order means you infuse hydro

[ocean ember]

Hmm never tried that I guess, but since I do Diona E Q -> Kazuha E Q -> Mona E Q -> Ayaka Q E, it always picks cryo. xD

Unless you mean a different rotation where you skip Diona first

[gilded dock]

tbh, you still swirl hydro at least

[fleet knot]

When I say it's not significantly better, I'm implicitly talking about the team where either would be used, which is freeze
Basically 95 vs 99% freeze uptime, roughly speaking
Either is enough to effectively stop all enemy behavior

[fleet knot]

Flip side is that it's much less stationary
Lower cooldown means you place it more, which is all too important vs things like rifthounds which just absolutely do not stay still

And even on-field, it's not enough to consistently fund xiangling, esp not with 2+ targets

[ocean ember]

I know, but that's why I clarified for longer fights. If you clear in one rotation, Mona is more than enough, but if you don't, her hydro application can end up not being enough, at least if you're relying on having the enemies not moving in between rotations.

But yeah, Mona's more mobile so there's that

[ocean ember]

I'm confused by this though ajsja why Xiangling?

[tardy moon]

What circlet mainstat should i use for my support healer jean?

[ocean ember]

If she's completely support, probably HB

Imo she heals enough so I run her with ATK sands, anemo goblet and crit circlet

[coral siren]

Can u guys help me with specters

[fleet knot]

She's the primary example for reverse vap
I imagine her application is also not enough for hutao for similar reasons

[ocean ember]

Ah you meant Kokomi on a reverse vape team? Yeah, other than XQ and Childe, no one can keep up with that. Kinda doubt Ayato will either, not so much because of the rate at which he applies hydro but the duration of his infusion

[tardy moon]

what set do i use for healer jean?

[ocean ember]

2VV 2 glad

Sometimes 4 VV if I need the shred

[tardy moon]

thank youu

[ocean ember]

Yw!

[timber hearth]

19k skill damage

[gilded dock]

while 19k skill is neat and all, beidou's main dmg potential is her ult; stormbreaker

beidou Q can hit up to 5 times per second, so depending on your comp, getting 10-15 waves in shouldn't be difficult.

that's 50-75 total hits that each can hit for as high as 204% at level 13

[timber hearth]

I am yet to know how the q actually work

[gilded dock]

press Q
use autos

that's literally it

and you don#t even need to auto with beidou

[timber hearth]

mmmm

[gilded dock]

beidou Q is rather easy

basically XQ Q, but it can spread to more than one mob

[ocean ember]

Just wanted to say that you're severely lacking ER. I don't think you'd have good uptime even with a dedicated battery (aka Fischl).

Also 19k is a bit on the lower side for her E, specially if it was a perfect counter. Though anyways, like Falthis said, her main damage source is her ult.

[gilded dock]

a good analogy to building beidou for her E would be building yoi for her Q or raiden for her E

[fleet knot]

beidou wants like 160, but usually more i think

ive seen beidou mains say a huge range

like all the way down to 140 but i have no idea how theyre playing to get numbers like that

on-field carry beidou be like

[ocean ember]

It depends a lot on the team, Fischl reduces it by quite a bunch I guess but yeah

Running her alone (as the sole electro) would easily need over 200% I think

[gilded dock]

140% ER kinda requires tazecrose, where it#s certainly possible but far from comfortable

[daring onyx]

Opinions or any recommendations :o

Kokomi is c1 (and actually has prototype Amber instead)
C6 geo mc 👍
Skyward and serpent are placeholders until I can get the other weapon

[gilded dock]

albedo and zhongli seem better tbh, but then you lack a healer because you aren't noelle

and redhorn is BiS for itto, no question

[ocean ember]

I'd slot in Zhongli replacing either Koko or traveller, or Albedo instead of traveller, but you might not have them/just don't wanna alsjkdalk

[silent tulip]

You're forgetting something
Gorou c4 is enough of a healer for a mono geo i think

I mean cmon, characters with a fuck ton of def

and crystalize shields every hit

[gilded dock]

you are delusional if you think that tbh
50% of his DEF is a fucking joke when he can't even get above 2k DEF without absurd subs and triple DEF mainstats

[silent tulip]

His heals tick quite fast no?

[gilded dock]

so maybe, assuming best investment possible, maybe like 1.3k every 1.5s

[silent tulip]

Hm idk

[gilded dock]

and that assumes you can snapshot E and A4 with Q, have triple DEF 5star pieces, 4pc Husk, and enough DEF subs in flower and feather to make itto jealous

which completely neuters his ability to battery itto

[silent tulip]

Ok ic

[gilded dock]

it's 50% def every 1.5s

and requires C4

[silent tulip]

Yeah makes sense

[gilded dock]

barbruh is just better with her E

[daring onyx]

is 4pc exile good for gorou or would 2pc or 4pc husk be better? im not gonna be using him other than his skill and burst

[daring onyx]

i dont have either of them so if i were to use em ill have to wait for reruns

[ocean ember]

Exile is his best

[daring onyx]

ok bcuz the person im playing co-op rn said that it wasnt good thxx

[gilded dock]

they are dimwits

[ocean ember]

His buff doesn't depend on his DEF stat, so no reason to stack DEF on him unless he's C4 and you want to get as much healing from him as possible, but imo that's questionable

[daring onyx]

whats stats should i look for? hes c0

[gilded dock]

@daring onyx with no contest, the best way to build gorou is:
80/90 if you plan to crown, otherwise 70/80
R5 Fav Lance
4pc The Exile
ER Sands
Whatever Cup, though DEF% is best
off-set 5star CR Hat to proc Fav Warbow reliably

anything else is a waste of time

[ocean ember]

ER mostly, and still could run DEF goblet and circlet but I'm no expert

Ah forgot about fav

Yeah CR circlet

[gilded dock]

subs are ER => CR >>>>>>>>>>>> everything else

[daring onyx]

thank u :D

[modern raven]

when dealing with hydro enemies, what do you prefer more? Freeze or overvape?

[idle granite]

usually electro or physical if not shielded, but cryo if its a hydro shield.

[ocean ember]

Freeze usually, but vape or overvape if I have a shield

[rustic plank]

I play with both freeze and overvape, only if it's shielded then it's cryo

[timber hearth]

How good is XQ beidou Echarge comp

[bleak river]

sucrose xq fischl beidou?

[timber hearth]

I don't have C12H22O11

[bleak river]

huh then idk XD

[unkempt oriole]

Then who u gon anemo

[gritty tusk]

TEAM COMP SHOWCASE | "HYPER CARRY C3 QIQI MEME" COMP✔️ HEALING✔️ COPIUM✔️ | NO FOOD BUFFS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GhKeCo0L8

[bleak river]

You love your ticks

[balmy portal]

Happy Kazuha Noices

[gritty tusk]

https://youtu.be/YGEwWas9m4o

[steady stream]

Well to be fair everyone knows C2 is perhaps the strongest constellation buff to money value. Even c3 is worth it because c2 also indirectly buffed c3 as well yknow. If not a regular c3 is a waste of time.

But im the real raiden simp

[bleak river]

sheesh

[mossy barn]

[oblique pelican]

Fuk off

[slender rock]

i want this

but ... i'm out of primo

[modern raven]

Overvape

[modern raven]

What hopened

[modern raven]

What was it

[round narwhal]

question that is possibly suuper dumb

but would ridge watch artis be ok on gorou ?

(for mono geo team)

[fleet knot]

Would what

[round narwhal]

fyck the uh

the geo shit

in the ridge watch domain

the uhhh 2 geovishap domain

teNACITY

thats what its called

jesus

[idle granite]

the ones I hate is the midsummer courtyard for the electro sets, the Mond Icy talent book domain, and EOSF with those electro dummies.

[jolly thorn]

here’s my updated (still kinda bad overall) yanfei, after going over all my artifacts this is the absolute Best i can have her at the moment (ik they’re not all leveled i’m not using my resources on bad artifacts)
i’m think going to farm crimson witch eventually, what exactly should i be looking for main stat wise on my sands goblet and circlet respectively? i’m doing a vape build with xingqiu if that helps. (please don’t roast me on the 4 stars i haven’t farmed at all yet)
i only have one widsith (and literally nothing better) and that’s what she’s holding right now, and yes i will also get her talents up as i go along

[fleet knot]

Terrible on gorou

[round narwhal]

is there anything other than noblesse that works for him 💀

[fleet knot]

Instructor

[round narwhal]

that

[fleet knot]

Idk

[round narwhal]

is that a domain farmable

[fleet knot]

It's 4* so it's in many domains

But I use maidens on him

[round narwhal]

balaki 💔💔💔

[fleet knot]

For c4

Lol

[round narwhal]

i dont have 💔💔💔💔💔

could i use like

glads or some shit ?

or anything ER stat’d

[fleet knot]

Basically his artis don't matter
Get him enough er and you're fine

Because his e buff is flat

[round narwhal]

nnnhng oki ty sm 🙏

[ocean ember]

Exile is Gorou's best

[round narwhal]

is that

is that domain farmable 😭😭

[ocean ember]

Widsith is pretty good for her. As for mainstats, EM or ATK (depends on if you have outside attack buffs, aka Bennett or TToDS), pyro always for goblet, and crit rate for circlet, as you have a crit damage weapon.

Not sure if Exile is farmable per se but it's a 4* artefact

[round narwhal]

BRUhhh

💔💔💔

[ocean ember]

I know that for example elites drop it

Same as bosses

Not sure if it's in any artefact domain

[round narwhal]

im gonna cry !

[ocean ember]

Never fodder Instructor's and Exile unless they're absolute garbage xD

[jolly thorn]

ok thank you! so i’ll go for em then because i have bennett on that team too
i honestly wasn’t sure if attack or em was best haha

[round narwhal]

oops 😬💀

[ocean ember]

Thoma for example can use Instructor's pretty well with Tao, and he needs ER and HP

[round narwhal]

😩😩😩😩

o lord

[ocean ember]

Both should work imo ajdjak but yeah, if you're vaporising/overloading, EM should be pretty good for her as well

[strong geyser]

What does DoT mean when leveling shenhe burst?

[wise oak]

dmg over time

[twilit valve]

Gonna hybrid em/crit for venti because who doesnt love anemo criting on his E and the big Q dmg of EM?

[loud citrus]

[slender rock]

Now my Zhongli use Black Tassel. I dont know why before I play team Hu tao Baal Zhongli Jean. My current team is Ganyu, Shenhe, Zhongli, Sucrose. I use Zhongli in this team because I need the strong shield to aim with ganyu.

[modern raven]

Is there any denying that Geo is the least f2p-friendly element?

[unkempt oriole]

Not much?

If any it's f2p friendly as most of them scale off def%

[idle granite]

least free to play friendly is either Anemo or Electro

[bleak river]

@ocean ember I give up on thoma and sucrose, imma just use ht xq albedo diano, less dmg but more survivability

[oblique pelican]

No Thoma, no sucrose. No fischl, razor, gorou, ninguang either

[bleak river]

One of the comps needing most 5*s

[quasi abyss]

raiden my beloved

she just hit 24k

so proud my highest crit

:DDDDD

sobbing but in a very /pos

way

[mossy barn]

Congrats 😄

[clear heron]

Congrats! That will only go higher from here on 🥳

[magic moss]

Hi, question about crit ratio

Which one is better here

51/194 or 68/143?

[fleet knot]

you can multiply the numbers out to see which is better for "average damage"

however, there is a lot more about how much damage you do than just crits

for example, atk and em

or def

(for def scaling characters)

[mossy barn]

do a test dmg or smth and take note of the damage to see which one is better

[magic moss]

Multiply the crit rate and crit dmg?

[fleet knot]

yea so like, 150% crit damage and 50% crit rate is "75% average crit"

[magic moss]

Ohh i see

That ratio is for keqing btw

Currently running her on 2 pc glad and 2 pc thundering

[fleet knot]

well thats an important note because keqing gets 15% crit rate on her burst right?

so you dont really need more than like 65 cr

68 is good

[magic moss]

Ohhh i see i see

Thank you for the helppp

[wise oak]

YAHHH

[quasi abyss]

what’s even better is that she hit it on a half health treasure dude

[granite laurel]

I dont want to grind artifact domains too much, is it alright to settle with at least 40/80 crit ratio?

[fleet knot]

No

Don't worry about grinding artifacts until ar45

But you'll want 60-120

[granite laurel]

im ar55

53

[fleet knot]

[granite laurel]

oops

[fleet knot]

Don't worry about leveling units beyond 70/70 until ar55

Just grind artis until then

60-120 is a bare minimum for every character you want to do damage

I think that's 2-3 crit rolls on each artifact

[granite laurel]

oh, wait Im 55

😳

[fleet knot]

Artis are still #1 priority if you want to be doin damage

If getting 60 crit rate is too hard, 50:150 is about the same

But that is more crit rolls

[granite laurel]

ty

[ocean ember]

Oh oop. D: Guess you don't have Zhongli? I'd recommend Kaeya instead of Albedo if you don't, so you're running double cryo which provides with resonance and the occasional melt

[bleak river]

Ye no zhongli DX

Kaeya is very much not raised

XD

Ig I can put ayaya if I try to run rational variant on the other half

[ocean ember]

https://streamable.com/ol6361
If this helps, this is a bit old but that's the rotation, a bit scuffed since I was still practicing, so you can see XQ's burst running out before Hu Tao's E but you get the idea xD

[ocean ember]

Well, he's mostly there to help with cryo application so xD

Thing with running Albedo with Hu Tao is geo resonance, mostly

Obviously his off field dps as well, but geo resonance is kinda important

[bleak river]

And ayaya can fill in for ht downtime

[ocean ember]

You still need hydro for that

[bleak river]

Fair

[ocean ember]

Since outside of Ayaka's burst, you won't be doing any reactions

That team relies on finishing stuff with one rotation tbh xD

[bleak river]

Which ain't happening with white tassel ht

[ocean ember]

Why white tassel alkdjasl

[bleak river]

No dbane :|