#🔨・build-discussion

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ebon ginkgo
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On top of 5k swirls

fleet knot
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6k may not sound like a lot, but lets frame it like this

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10k plunge hits = 20k total damage on 2 enemies

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6k swirls = 48k total damage on 2 enemies

ebon ginkgo
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Also I'm not going back to farming VV

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I farmed for a month and literally did not get a single EM goblet nor circlet

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I actually haven't even been using kazuha recently

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Been running Raiden national and mono geo for abyss

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Raiden national just perfectly counters half of the entire abyss

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And for the floors that have hydro lectors I just swap out one of my geo characters for a cryo

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I tried chongyun + zhongli in today's reset it was fun

fleet knot
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10k plunge + 5k swirls = 60k total damage per e vs 2 enemies
3k plunge + 7k swirls = also 60k total damage per e vs 2 enemies
with more than 2 enemies, swirls start to do more
swirls also cant miss their crit
and this doesnt even consider the case where kazuha's swirls trigger other reactions, which then deal even more damage based only on EM

mossy barn
fleet knot
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so basically
unless youre fighting a single enemy, full em is more damage in every single way

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and even when youre fighting a single enemy, the differnce is not that big

fleet knot
mossy barn
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Oh ok thanks

ebon ginkgo
fleet knot
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thats valid, but its still good to keep in mind if people are ever asking if their build is good or what to build

ebon ginkgo
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also the likelihood of even encountering more than 2 enemies at once in abyss that dont die instantly from kazuha is very low in the first place because abyss is mostly hp wall bosses nowadays

fleet knot
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uh what

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have you not been playing abyss for the last few months?

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all the ruin-enemy floors with 2-4 bozos

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12-2-1

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12-3-2

ebon ginkgo
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i dont use kazuha on those cause they cant be pulled so theres no point in tryna group them up, just smack them to death with geo

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i think maybe the problem lies in the fact that im a geo main instead of something like pyro that benefits from swirls

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my priority for Kazuha's skills are grouping > buff > damage

fleet knot
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i cant justify using itto when c6 sara + raiden exists or ganyu exists

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at least not until i get c6 gorou

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2 copies 🤞

ebon ginkgo
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dont have c6 sara nor do i have ganyu

fleet knot
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mewhen i have redhorn itto completely benched

ebon ginkgo
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my raiden is 55/127 while my itto is 90/210

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i think im gonna choose itto

bleak river
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Raiden also has er stat to take into acct

fleet knot
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yeah, a lot more damage bonus

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and, yknow
can benefit from vv shred

ebon ginkgo
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i guess

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but with the catch C0 and no C6 sara my raiden does not reach Itto level damage when comparing both of them under their buffs

bleak river
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Catch R1?

ebon ginkgo
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here

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around 4k resin into this domain i wanna say

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C0 Raiden, C4 Sara

bleak river
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Usually for catch it's er or atk/atk/crit but idk

fleet knot
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ive seen atk/atk, yeah

ebon ginkgo
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bro trust me if i had gotten a single usable er sands or an atk goblet i would have used it

modern raven
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C3 Xingqiu and C2 Yanfei, currently building Yanfei and Xiangling

ebon ginkgo
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6k resin into ESF and basically garbage outside of flowers and feathers

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and actually that image isnt correct i forgot to update the flower

modern raven
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Im guaranteed venti so the hunt for better artifacts begin

modern raven
# mossy barn Yes

I spent my daily resin, and im currently using my 2 fragiles to build Yanfei and Xiangling (xingqiu) for 600 primos from abyss

mossy barn
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oh shi- I forgot to do my abyss

wise oak
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9starring floor 12?

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gl with that

mossy barn
wise oak
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naww man im ass at abyss

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idk

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im gonna attempt floor 12 later

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its the same enemies

bleak river
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It's a bit yikes

wise oak
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i got like 4/9

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last time

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ok bye

modern raven
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man im emailing mihoyo to make abyss rewards higher

ebon ginkgo
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abyss rewards suck

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should be at least 1200 imo

bleak river
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Fr

mossy barn
ebon ginkgo
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man...

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ar rewards are so garbage

mossy barn
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getting a 3 star for leveling up

ebon ginkgo
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3 months to get to ar59 and then i get two fragiles and a single standard wish

mossy barn
modern raven
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Now that I know how the raiden national plays, how do the og national and childe national play?

fleet knot
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not even close to similar

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which is why its so dumb that theyre all called national

modern raven
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But how do they play

fleet knot
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tenten has a childe rotation guide

modern raven
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What about og?

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Is it like raiden but chongyun uses his burst instead of raiden

fleet knot
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na

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chongyun uses his e, infusing xiangling's normal attacks with cryo

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letter her do freeze melts

bleak river
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I'm thinking of r5 kitain for shim ht if I don't get dbane soon ish

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Tho I think blackcliff would be better

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Would it be viable?

modern raven
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Who do I build first? idk good team comps but i have Xiao, Bennett, Xiangling and Sucrose/Fischl in one

steady stream
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Ur sara what cons

ocean ember
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You could do Xiao, Bennett, Xiangling and Sucrose on one side and Yanfei, Fischl, Yae and maybe Xingqiu on the other

wise oak
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ISTG

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BRO

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HOW DO I DO THE CHILDE BURST ROTATION

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I DID BEFORE AND NOW I CANT DO IT ANYMORE

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its swirling hydro too fast

modern raven
modern raven
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Morning

autumn spade
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Which one is better Electro DMG Bonus or Crit Damage for shogun Electro DPS

gilded dock
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they are different artifact slots??

unkempt oriole
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^

pearl elbow
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Which is good for ganyu? (I'm using 4pc wanderer)

earnest jetty
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1 forsure

quasi abyss
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terrified i have c4 bennett

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he’s the most cons i have

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c6 is approaching

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i hear it around the corner

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anyway raiden hit 7k in abyss

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floor 8

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and she hit 20k in floor 7

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so proud

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how high could@her dmg go?

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could she hit like 50k or sm

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how could i achieve that???

grand kestrel
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magic

gilded dock
quasi abyss
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my god

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how.

gilded dock
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but that involved C3 + cracked substats in hyperraiden with Bennett, Sara, Kazuha

quasi abyss
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oh

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sadge

gilded dock
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yeah

grand kestrel
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her burst can break 100k easy for the initial swing (she does 2-4x that amount of damage in the duration

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with good artis/team comp

silent tulip
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Actually im curious how good can i do

tight stratus
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uhhh if i wanna use thoma as a sub dps/suppport, what set should i use? i wanna give him kitain ( i have one at r4 but i constantly get polearm billets), i have him with 2 pc cwof, and 2 pc millelith but idk if that will work well

silent tulip
cyan mantle
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Just sharing my Yae flower here folx

fleet knot
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however, as the other people mentioned below, electro damage bonus is a goblet main stat

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and crit damage is a circlet main stat

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they arent at odds with each other

fleet knot
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the only major diff between them is atk and crit damage, right?

fleet knot
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ive seen up to 1.2 million

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in this abyss she could probably hit 1.5

gilded dock
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oh right, forgot that one

quasi abyss
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my observations of raiden:
pros-
high ult? dmg
pretty lady
she’s a god
nice voice
she walks towards the target during her normal atks

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cons-
ITS A GAMBLE???? SHE COULD HIT 14K OR 2K FOR EHR ULT

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long cd

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um

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that’s it she’s almost perfect

fleet knot
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i dont see the con, thats just crit rate

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and her cd is 18 seconds right? or 19? not even a con, other units have longer cds + the rotation works out well

quasi abyss
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she’s great

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but

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could be better

fleet knot
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i think shes overrated

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but good

cyan mantle
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Hey guys is this enough cdmg? (Issa meme-build; man literally runnin around w a hydro dmg cup)

fleet knot
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no

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need more

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is that redhorn

fleet knot
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my max crit damage build without a crit weapon is 26:270

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double hp mainstats because fuck

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eula w/ redhorn juice

unkempt oriole
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Imagine that one in a lifetime crit hitting

fleet knot
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its still 0 phys damage bonus and 1300 attack

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so its like, not strong

tired burrow
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yall ideas for 2 flex spots with yae and raiden

unkempt oriole
fleet knot
tired burrow
bleak river
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Raiden yae hydro anemo XD

unkempt oriole
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then raiden yae sara sucrose

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lmao

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xDDD

cyan mantle
crisp bronze
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hi folks I'm new here

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and pretty new to the game too

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I'm now at AR45 and don't have any issues defeating enemies while exploring using my usual team (jean, yanfei, raiden, noelle/ningguang) mainly using raiden and yanfei

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I want to ascend to AR50 (I think my adventure exp is enough) and maxed raiden to lvl90

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but I learned that it takes a lot of purple books to max from 80 to 90

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is it worth to lvlup raiden or should I use the purple books to lvl up several other characters?

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I just want ease while exploring

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this is my current characters

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my weapons

bleak river
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Do you intend to do abyss?

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For overworld you can lvl raiden to 89, 90 is unnecessary

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Also lvl weapons you use to 90

crisp bronze
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maybe just casually trying abyss. currently on floor 6

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or should I do abyss? Is the reward worth the pain of farming artifacts? lol

bleak river
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Eh it's a self gratifying thing when you clear it and the rewards are miserable

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Up to floor 8 is fine, 9-12 is a personal choice tbh

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Also diona should prob run sac bow

fleet knot
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leveling up units passed 60/70, or 80/80 for main dps is a wasted endeavor before ar55 imo

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like a really big mistake

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that i wish i could undo

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level your weapons for sure though

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especially good ones like the catch

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of the units you havent built, i think you could gain a lot from focusing on beidou sucrose and xiangling
later, sara and mona are very good aswell

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but as for everyone else, i think theyre already leveled as much as they "should" be for a long time

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esp because youre at ar45, you can spend time grinding artis and talent levels (up to 6) at their highest difficulty

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and the only thing youre missing out on is better boss drops, but as i eluded to above, theyre really bad until ar55 regardless

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(still bad, but at least youre guaranteed 5* artifacts at that point)

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as far as where damage comes from
team synergy > artifacts >>>>> talent level >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> character levels

fleet knot
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otherwise yeah its rather expensive

quasi yarrow
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Hi can anyone help me out 723235552 EU need help grinding materials to build characters

crisp bronze
crisp bronze
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so it's better to have a lvld up weapon then

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thanks a lot for the advice guys, really helped me

daring onyx
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I wish to rant here instead of general

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Since I think it counts as building

unkempt oriole
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True

daring onyx
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So Kokomi, Itto, and Kazuha
Who'd be a good 4th?

unkempt oriole
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Can be salt too

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If u wanna rant

daring onyx
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I'm thinking a pyro

unkempt oriole
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U could do 2 geo

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But yes kazu won't be needed if 2 geo

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U don't actually need kazu with itto too

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So u can actually build an entirely separate team

daring onyx
unkempt oriole
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Yes

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U can run a pyro character then

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Good synergy

daring onyx
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Yoimiya?

river oreBOT
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up @daring onyx has leveled up to LEVEL 1 exp

unkempt oriole
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Koko kazu pyro x2

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She's okay but not the best with koko

daring onyx
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I wanna include itto tho 😕

sturdy stirrup
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you can do bennett

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NOT C6

daring onyx
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Hu tao? I think she'd be good with c6 kokomi but it's not like I have her

daring onyx
bleak river
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no

daring onyx
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Ok

unkempt oriole
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Can't do hutao

bleak river
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hutao wants to be below 50% hp

unkempt oriole
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Over heals

daring onyx
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I don't even have her it doesn't matter

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Yeah it KOKOMIS C6 has to do with characters being below 50%

unkempt oriole
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Well u will have koko kazu Benny right now

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The last one could be yanfei/diluc/xiangling/

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Virtually any pyro except hutao , cux she needs to lower her hp

sturdy stirrup
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oh yes XL is one too

unkempt oriole
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Or u can just run freeze with koko

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So u save the trouble of figuring out how to vape

daring onyx
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Or diluc actually

unkempt oriole
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What cyro characters do you have

sturdy stirrup
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I cant remember if itto causes shatter

bleak river
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yes cuz geo and claymore

sturdy stirrup
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ah right dang

unkempt oriole
sturdy stirrup
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but yes @daring onyx you can go freeze comp, quite nice as freeze does stop the enemies when you have trouble

river oreBOT
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up @sturdy stirrup has leveled up to LEVEL 4 exp

daring onyx
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Chongyun, Diona, Aloy, Kaeya (obviously)

silent tulip
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What0

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What-

unkempt oriole
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You could pull for ganyu if u want to

bleak river
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couldve

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or ayaya

sturdy stirrup
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or ayaya

daring onyx
silent tulip
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4 cryos

unkempt oriole
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Yes ayaya works well with koko too

unkempt oriole
daring onyx
silent tulip
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ah

unkempt oriole
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Not team

bleak river
unkempt oriole
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She's pretty decent cyro dps

daring onyx
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But kazuha and venti ☹️

bleak river
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decent im dying

daring onyx
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I'm skipping Ayato just for them <\3

silent tulip
unkempt oriole
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Still doing very well in abyss

bleak river
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very well

daring onyx
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I suck at this game 😨😨

sturdy stirrup
daring onyx
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</3

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I wanna make my kokomi crit but I know it's not gonna be worth it

silent tulip
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0% cr and 100% cr are pretty similar tho

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with both you get consistent damage

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no half-assed Eula bursts that ruin your whole run

daring onyx
bleak river
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You can

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But it's not worth it

sturdy stirrup
daring onyx
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I focused on crit dmg (I know I need cr I didn't know then) so she's got like -77 cr rn but like 100 CD 😭

silent tulip
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Get to AR 45

hollow notch
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can anyone help me farm artefacts? i got 35 frigle resine collected
europe

dark egret
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should i get raiden or wait for kazuha or get raiden and take chance of not getting kazuha

dark egret
modern raven
modern raven
dark egret
modern raven
dark egret
modern raven
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Mkayy

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If i would be u i would go for kazuha to switch sucrose with

dark egret
modern raven
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Bennett switch with barbara/noelle for heal and buff amber as dps

modern raven
dark egret
modern raven
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Bennett switch with barbara/noelle for heal and buff amber as dps

modern raven
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Yk

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And lvl ur Sakura tree

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For free wishes

dark egret
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mhm ok

modern raven
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And the frostbearing or idk how to spell tree

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But for what is ur amber

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Burst dps?

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And btw Bennett is hard to use as main dps

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He is more support

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Amber is better as dps

dark egret
modern raven
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Like yanfei

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Did you know ur name is spelled wrong?

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Lmao

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Anyways I hope I could help u pull for raiden and if u lose pull kazuha

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If u need help with exploring or artifacts dm me

hollow notch
modern raven
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Oops

hollow notch
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can anyone help?

modern raven
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With?

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Oh

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That

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Would like to

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But idk if I can

tall relic
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guys Q
i have xiao and kazuha i am lost what to add to the team

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i have hutao, zhongly, jean, qiqi, itto, mona

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child

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so any advice

dark egret
ocean ember
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A team for Xiao could be Zhongli, Jean and maybe Bennett (it'd usually be Albedo), or maybe Ningg with TToDS?

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Other possible team is Xiao, Bennett, Xiangling and Sucrose, though you could replace Sucrose with Kazuha I guess

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Kazuha is usually not paired with Xiao because he can't buff him and isn't as good of a battery as Sucrose afaik

urban plaza
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NING WITH TTDOS
WHAT AN ABOMINATION

ocean ember
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She doesn't have much use outside of that in that team, other than geo resonance :P

urban plaza
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Rude

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RUDE

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My poor ning😭

dark egret
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im a stupid ar 35 so uh whats ttods

ocean ember
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A 3* book (Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayers) that buffs the character you switch to. So say Ningg has it, if you switch from Ningg to Xiao, you'll buff his attack by 48% (at refinement 5)

dark egret
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ngl before sucrose i didnt use catalysts much

ocean ember
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Ye it's fine akdjaka tbh there aren't that many catalysts to begin with, and most are not very popular (Ningg and Yanfei due to being 4* dps, Lisa, Klee) or like for example Mona is a great freeze support but she's not guaranteed

dark egret
tall relic
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i need xiao dps

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i am not flexing

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i am just lucky not even wailing

tall relic
dark egret
tall relic
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i really need a good team

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support

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i just love mona there

dark egret
tall relic
dark egret
tall relic
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well yeah i guess she will work better with hutao

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cause i am not ready to build xiangly

dark egret
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maybe do a sub dps to go with xiao because xiao is mostly a anemo damager and not swirl

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or you could give mona some pyro res to use with benny skill

tall relic
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i just love xiao so will play him with benet zhongly and idk

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ihave jean c1 but i don't like her

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lets say she is in the same team as xiao i use her as support chr or as subdps

dark egret
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idrk because i don have jean but maybe you can use her as both,, but if you dont like her then you dont have to use her

ocean ember
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Yeah, Jean is usually built as subdps anyways, as her healing scales off attack and she heals plenty even without triple ATK artefacts

tall lagoon
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so uh what do i need to improve

ocean ember
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Honestly that seems pretty good, would go for more CR if possible but otherwise seems fine imo

dull roost
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Built insanely well imo

tall lagoon
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oh thx guys

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thought i needed more crit dmg or rate

ocean ember
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I'd aim for at least 70 CR tbh but yeah

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Harder for her since both her best weapons have ER as substat

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Or well, at least her 2 most popular weapons that is xD (catch and EL)

modern raven
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other than healers, which characters are worth 90/90?

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furthermore, is bennett worth 90/90?

ocean ember
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Healers are usually not worth getting to 90/90 tbh

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Most heal plenty even at like 60

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As for Bennett, maybe, but imo not really, the attack increase is really minimal

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Units that are worth are EM units (Sucrose, Kazuha, Venti), HP units (Hu Tao, Zhongli if you really want him to deal as much damage as possible or the strongest shield possible, but honestly 80 is enough for him as well) and DEF units (Itto, Noelle, Albedo)

modern raven
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For raiden national, should i have raiden use skyward and xiangling use catch, or the other way around?

modern raven
ocean ember
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I'm not sure, but I think Skyward on Raiden in this case is better

ocean ember
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For instance, the damage difference for swirling between level 80 and 90 is 33%, assuming same EM

fleet knot
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<@&874036938351448094>

fleet knot
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And imo, Bennett doesn't need to go to ascension 6 unless you want to crown his burst, which is generally a small diff anyways

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You gain like 40 attack more from his buff per talent level

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Pretty much everything Ater said NODDERS

tall lagoon
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so uh itto build opinion

fleet knot
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Crits are way too low for a unit that scales with crit

tall lagoon
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ik

fleet knot
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Er is also too low

tall lagoon
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sacrificed alot

fleet knot
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I don't recommend worrying about your build until ar45

tall lagoon
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im ar 56

fleet knot
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O

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Uh

tall lagoon
fleet knot
tall lagoon
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sucks my itto team sucks thoo

hollow notch
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should i like.. cry?

tall lagoon
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not really

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but yes

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i see why my teams suck so much

hollow notch
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bro.

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dont even say anything

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i spent 3hour and 30frigle resine and got this shit

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not even one is normal from them

tall lagoon
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oh yeah nah sorry

hollow notch
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im gonna delete game

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idc

tall lagoon
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NO dont it gets better

hollow notch
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bro i spend all i had what will get better lol

tall lagoon
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you just gotta no life the game

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i swear its gonna get better

hollow notch
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bro it was 2,5k resin.

tall lagoon
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yeah ik some people have it worse

hollow notch
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worse? xd

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whats worse then that

tall lagoon
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uh

fleet knot
tall lagoon
fleet knot
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when you think about it like that, its not actually a lot

tall lagoon
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kinda worse but still bad

hollow notch
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but i did for baal and bennet

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none of them

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was even normal

tall lagoon
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😦

hollow notch
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literally everything was hp and def

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im not even gonna loe

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it was all hp and def

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some of them anemo bonus and shit

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but who cares about them when i dont even have one anemo

tall lagoon
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feel bad for you

strong geyser
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keqing..

unkempt oriole
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dam ur keqing is one mean bitch

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1.9k att too

modern raven
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what's the best way to deal with crimson domain?

oblique pelican
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Don't do it??

unkempt oriole
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^

modern raven
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but i need crimson witch

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so what's the best team for it?

strong geyser
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cryo cuz leyline and hydro

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IG?

proud ravine
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Which one is better?

wise oak
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2n

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d

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imo

unkempt oriole
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yep second

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u have higher att and crit rate in second

proud ravine
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okay thanks everyone!

dusky furnace
tight stratus
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Despite ayato getting a “signature artifact” set, does anyone know if 4pc hod would work well on him? From his kit, it looks like it would benefit him more than his own set, no?

fleet knot
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more than his own set? Probably not

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But HoD should be a close second

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Maybe similar to 4glad

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MV modifiers are basically non existant compared to damage bonus, so a set which gives MV modifiers is going to be better than a set which gives damage bonus
But HoD benefits his burst more, has no rng, and is a domain you can farm right now

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So for many reasons it may be the more practical option

silent tulip
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@fleet knot how good is Racist spear on shenhe?

fleet knot
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its the one i use

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if you have enough ER its her second BiS after 5* options

silent tulip
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Ic

rigid crater
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Anyone know which 4 stars are gonna be on the new banners?

civic marsh
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idk

unkempt oriole
gilded dock
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...you mean lithic or what?

unkempt oriole
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oh think i know

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they meant the spear that buffs based on liyue character count

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lmao

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hence racist spear

gilded dock
fleet knot
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...was it not obvious?

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its the only spear that discriminates based on nationality

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therefore racist

bleak river
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wouldnt it be xenophobic

fleet knot
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xenophobic would perhaps be a slightly narrower definition of the same idea

silent tulip
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what does xenophobic even mean

fleet knot
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It's like racist but only to other countries I think

silent tulip
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so neonazi

gilded dock
# silent tulip what does xenophobic even mean

Xenophobia is, in simplest terms, hatred for foreigners and them getting into your country and culture

Meanwhile, racism is thinking some races are inferior or even damaging your own by merely existing.

Or something like that

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They are different, but close enough

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You can be one without the other, but they typically are in a pair

silent tulip
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I doubt they're in a pair

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A lot of the world is racist without realizing it

gilded dock
#

Eh prob wrong channel anyway

unkempt oriole
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Xenophobic is a subset of racism

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That's all

gilded dock
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Not quite tbh, but again, wrong channel

fluid orbit
#

How are these stats for ayaka in abyss? And if I use ganyu and ayaka in the same freeze team, would ganyu use the same or need more ER?

tired burrow
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seggc crit dmg, but if u can totally sacrifice some for cr imo

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no idea for the second question tho, I assume she doesn’t need more er cuz particle regen but don’t take me for that cuz I’ve never played that team owo

ocean ember
#

Assuming 4p BS, that's a pretty neat build

silent tulip
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assuming ayaya is in the team

ocean ember
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Also I'm guessing not much more ER needed, as she has a lower cost burst, but I'm not sure. I'd test in-game to see if you can comfortably burst off-cooldown

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Also no need to get more CR at all if you're running BS

silent tulip
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Oh yeah, cr with 2 cryos and bs is worse than atk% lol

ocean ember
#

Plus add in Ganyu's passive, iirc she has a CR one

silent tulip
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I mean cmon 60% cr if you've got no substats is definitely not bad

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oh yeah, ganyu has +20% cr for herself

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so 80 there

ocean ember
#

Yeah, on a frozen target, she's already overcritting as it is (40% from stats, 40% from BS, 15% from cryo res, 20% from passive, so 115%)

silent tulip
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120%

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dont forget chars get 5 by default

ocean ember
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I'm talking about what they have on the ss

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That 40% already includes the default 5%

silent tulip
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ah

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oh right

modern raven
#

do you think yun jin is worth building? I just got her from standard

silent tulip
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Depends

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What characters are you using?

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What characters do you want to use?

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How far are you into the game?

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.Overall she is definitely worth building

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but don't she boosts only Normal attacks

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no charged

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No plunge

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no burst and skill

ocean ember
#

Yeah, she's pretty good for characters like Yoimiya, Razor, Noelle. Or well, any character that auto attacks. xD

silent tulip
#

Chongyun, fischl

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but yeah

ocean ember
#

If you build them as physical (or on field dps in the case of Chongyun)

silent tulip
#

She's amazing for characters who focus on normal attacks, but her usefulness drops quite a bit on CA/Burst damage characters
(Hu tao, Ganyu, Itto, Raiden,Eula)

modern raven
#

why would yun jin not be useful for hu tao?

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if you pair hu tao with xingqiu, won't she be focusing on autos?

ocean ember
#

Hu Tao focuses on charged attacks

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She does one auto (some comps prefers N2C), but her damage comes from charged attacks

gilded dock
#

yeah. at most, hu tao can abuse like 10 of the 30 stacks

wise oak
#

would 2 pc bs and 2 pc wnaderes be good on ganyu

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or would 4pb bs or 4pc wanderes be good

gilded dock
#

it's either 4BS for freeze or 4WT for melt; there isn't much else for her#

ocean ember
#

For melt, yeah, it's good enough I think. She still prefers 4p WT or 4p SR afaik, but I'd guess 2p BS and 2p WT would be third

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For freeze, no, she doesn't want EM on freeze

silent tulip
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Im using 4pc SR

modern raven
#

what is the ideal team for the crimson domain?

silent tulip
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Xingqiu recommended

modern raven
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morgana then?

silent tulip
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Or that

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Morgana can work if you've got the characters

modern raven
#

what would freeze xingqiu be like btw

silent tulip
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well uuh

ocean ember
#

4p SR is on equal ground to WT on melt Ganyu afaik

silent tulip
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I mostly use him with chongyun so its more like shatter

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But close enough

ocean ember
#

Freeze XQ? You need someone that auto attacks for that

silent tulip
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Yeah, as i said i mostly use chonguyn

ocean ember
#

You can like force autos on Ganyu but it's generally not recommended

silent tulip
#

chongyun*

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ok so ig morgana

ocean ember
#

XQ is better for Ayaka, for instance (even if she mostly focus on burst). Could go with Rosa or Kaeya as well.

silent tulip
#

Though the pyro domain has way less pyro enemies than one would think

gilded dock
silent tulip
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Like.. the 2 slimes at the start which can be 1 shotted by xq's e

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and then the pyro mages's shields which can be demolished by his q

ocean ember
#

Crescent can function well with melt as well afaik

modern raven
#

what is the ideal chongyun team?

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additionally, what is a support chongyun like?

gilded dock
fleet knot
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Yoimiya, ayato probably

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Not really sure who else

wise oak
gilded dock
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Melt ganyu typically uses bennett xiangling zhongli iirc, since xiangling has enough pyro application to melt both hits of ganyu's CA

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A strong permanebt shield is required, since you basically stand nose-to-nose with the mobs in melt, and you can't afford getting interrupted during a CA

fleet knot
#

bennett kazuha is the stronger pair

wise oak
#

so the teams like zhongli bennett ganyu

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and xiao (dont ask)

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its gotten me 5/9 stars

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and even though its like super fucking ass but my ganyu doesnt do enough dmg

timid sphinx
#

Melt Ganyu also workable with Sunfire either.
The concept was simple: Apply Jean Burst and Bennett Burst, then proc Xiangling's Burst DMG, and Ganyu CA immediately applies more Melt.

modern raven
#

Is this chill for a level 70 childe

unkempt oriole
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It's pretty okay

modern raven
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Ah, thanks

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I’m still at 45

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Ar

unkempt oriole
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Though u might need a better weapon

modern raven
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Yeah

unkempt oriole
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And artis that help with ur att%

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900-1000 att is on the lower end

modern raven
bleak river
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No rust?

modern raven
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Nope

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I have stringless and prototype

unkempt oriole
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New player understandable

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Stringless pretty okay

bleak river
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Stringless is good for nuke childe iirc

unkempt oriole
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Yep ^

bleak river
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Idk about normal use tho

unkempt oriole
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I mean

modern raven
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From what I’ve seen is rust most of the time

unkempt oriole
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Childe is pretty focused on his skill and burst anyway

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So it could work

bleak river
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Could but rust bonus is nothing to scoff at

modern raven
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I’m just hoping that I’ll eventually get it when I’m wishing on venti

unkempt oriole
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Good luck

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If u get skywad harp it's okay too

modern raven
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That’s cd right?

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Or fr

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Cr

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Ugh my autocorrect

bleak river
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cr

unkempt oriole
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<@&874036938351448094>

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Yep cr

modern raven
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That’d be good

bleak river
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idk i dont have him

modern raven
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But I honestly don’t have a five star weapon yet

unkempt oriole
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The rest of it is considered NA

modern raven
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Yeah pretty much

bleak river
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in that case buff for e is useless XD

unkempt oriole
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xD

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But em is pretty high on stringless

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But yea, could always buff em with sucrose or something

fleet knot
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so you wouldnt be wasting your resin by leveling it up

modern raven
river oreBOT
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up @modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 1 exp

fleet knot
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venti, fischl

modern raven
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Ah ok

rigid crater
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Is it just me or do weapon billets not drop?

fleet knot
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na thats genshin

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it took me over a year to get a single claymore drop

unkempt oriole
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^

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me on bow billet

urban plaza
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I want Catalyst billets for Kokomi😭

gilded dock
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you get a billet trove from the chasm

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just one though

fleet knot
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i know what youre referencing but that isnt entirely clear

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it might just be 1 specific billet type

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like how the frost bearing tree or sacred sakura give

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and it would be more in line with those aswell

wanton jackal
#

who should I pull? ayato or venti, I have itto and xiao

silent tulip
#

well venti has good cc

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ayato can apply hydro

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and be a dps

gilded dock
#

tbh, you pull venti and ayato as morgana members if anything

steady stream
#

I have like 10+ catalyst billets hahahah

urban plaza
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Good luck 😭

steady stream
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And 10+ bow billets :/

urban plaza
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I've been playing for like 8-9 months and have gotten 3 billets so far😭

steady stream
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6 months

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AND NO CLAYMORE BILLETS

urban plaza
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3 catalyst billets*

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And it includes the ones bought from souvenir shops😭

steady stream
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Include the ones in sword grave and liyue souvenirs shop, 2

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😢

urban plaza
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😭😭😭😭

steady stream
#

Swap billets with me

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When can genshin do swap billets

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🌚

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We need a market trading system 🙃

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Since resources are so dang scarce

urban plaza
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I don't even use claymores

urban plaza
modern raven
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is diona worth 90/90

tired burrow
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depends what team

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but I’d do it

modern raven
#

shield support for ganyu

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also should i crown diona's e

junior crest
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No

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80 is enough

earnest jetty
#

any tips on beating the wolflord boss on floor 12? it’s kicking my ass bc i don’t have any teams that work in geo v well?

oblique pelican
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Kokomi to the rescue!

modern raven
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dd

ocean ember
# modern raven also should i crown diona's e

I'd say no to both. Units worth getting to 90/90 are usually damage units that scale off of HP, DEF or EM. Not worth it to 90/90 other units, specially not supports (excluding ofc units like Venti, Kazuha and Sucrose). Also not really worth it to crown Diona's E.

spark parrot
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Can anyone suggest me a team build F2P friendly that's suitable for ayato 🙂

fleet knot
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That's too vague of a question, as f2p players can have wildly different unit selections based on luck, what banners they summoned on, and how long they've been playing

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Unless by f2p you mean like, enviosity levels of f2p where he only ever uses the guaranteed 7 starting units

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In which case, you're very limited

spark parrot
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I'm guarenteed for a 5 star

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And i only had jean ( lost 50/50 in zhongli banner)

fleet knot
#

So you have no 5* units except jean

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What are your 4* units

spark parrot
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I don't have sara, fischl, diona , gorou,

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And i have the rest of the other 4 star units

gilded dock
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let the theory crafters do their job

loud spear
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eletro/pyro keqing artifact set and stats?

fleet knot
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4glad for 1 size fits all

waxen panther
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how to improve raiden build??PepeHands

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still working on getting good crt/crtdmg artifact

fleet knot
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Less em, more of both crits, less attack

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Absolutely need a crit rate circlet

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Attack circlet is a super rare use case, only really vaible for someone who gets a TON of free crit stats, like ganyu

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And even then, it needs to be an extremely good atk% circlet

waxen panther
#

thank you, will take note of thatchest

fleet knot
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Your feather and goblet aren't too bad, but the timepiece, flower, and circlet all need replacement

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You might find more success running an atk goblet too, so level those up if you find em

waxen panther
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i seenoted

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i'll try dmg testing the electro dmg and atk goblet to see which one works best

bleak river
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(atk circ for shenhe too)

fleet knot
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Fair

grand kestrel
#

attack goblet may not give you a significant return unless it also has some killer substats

spark parrot
grand kestrel
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shouldn't you be using an ER timepiece? I know you're at 200% but you're also using Emblem and Raiden herself benefits from ER straight up.

waxen panther
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but will try farming one

ocean ember
#

Tbh you're pretty good so far (in terms of ER), your ER is fine for running the Catch, so ATK/Electro is usually recommended, that or ER sands and ATK goblet

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But yeah, you really need to up crit stats and you'll barely ever want to run ATK circlet, the exceptions being what was already mentioned

unkempt oriole
#

i would suggest ATK cup when running the catch

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the lack of base att really make a huge diff

fleet knot
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pound for pound

grand kestrel
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so would seem to be the consensus, I don't use the catch with her.

modern raven
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Im abandoning xiao for a while

wise oak
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oop

modern raven
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Waiting till 2.6 for his new set

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Meet my new main

wise oak
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def raise her talents

modern raven
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yea imma farm it soon, awell as ascend her weapon

modern raven
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shes fun to play

wise oak
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she is

modern raven
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xiao aint using it anyways

timber hearth
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Geo battery needed (not geo mc pls, I don't want his balls getting in the way of shit)

timber hearth
modern raven
#

Im getting better artifacts okay ;-;

timber hearth
modern raven
modern raven
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YAS

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ELECTRO DMG BONUS

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FISCHL LOVES ME

robust drift
#

Can i build keqing with a 4pc shimenawas

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electro dps

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it seems like a good set for her

unkempt oriole
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Try /genshin command

robust drift
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i already did on my server

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it didnt include any shimenawas

fleet knot
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yeah because shim costs 15 energy

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which is almost half of keqing's total burst cost

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no bueno

unkempt oriole
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Honestly felt that keqing dps came from burst, so I won't use shim either

robust drift
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I don't wanna use her for her burst tho

unkempt oriole
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It's up to you though

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Your world your character

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The guide is only a recommendation

robust drift
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Shimenawa boosts dmg when you use her skill so it seems like a good set for her

fleet knot
#

you get like 15% crit rate after her burst, no?

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thats already better than what shim gives

robust drift
#

i already have 60% rate on her

fleet knot
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or rather, when you look at what shim gives compared to what any other set could give + the 15% crit rate

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shim loses

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60% is low

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60% is bare minimum, even

robust drift
#

what

silent tulip
robust drift
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Girl what

silent tulip
#

Eh makes sense

fleet knot
#

if youre running a main dps with less than 60% crit rate please swap to a crit rate circlet

silent tulip
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if you wanna crit reliably

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then it makes sense to have 70+

robust drift
#

i already have 60% rate and 200% dmg

fleet knot
#

damage numbers are quite literally only half the battle for dps, you need consistency
doing 60 damage all the time is better than doing 100 damage half the time, by definition

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60:200 is effectively 120% crit damage

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which is not good

silent tulip
robust drift
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I like it tho

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I don't really wanna oneshot anything

fleet knot
#

then why do you want a low crit rate high crit damage build?

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that is the one shot build

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impractical

#

like 60% crit rate to 75% crit rate is a 25% improvement in your crit chance

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its a near 50% reduction in your "missed crit" chance

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these are really big

rigid crater
#

I'm really loving yanfei/raiden combo

silent tulip
#

cool

robust drift
#

What I meant is that I don't wanna crit all the time

fleet knot
silent tulip
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then build kokomi KeK

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ok on a more serious note

robust drift
fleet knot
#

60% crit rate on keqing is fine
but only if youre using her burst to get the extra 15%

silent tulip
#

if you dont wanna crit all the time, i guess shim could work

fleet knot
#

if you're not, 60% is just too low

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youre dealing effectively half of the damage you think you are

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or rather, instead of dealing triple damage, youre dealing 2.2x damage on average

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so about 30% less

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but point stands, 30% less damage than you expect to be doing is huge

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thats the difference between a 60s clear and an 80s clear

robust drift
#

Alright

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does my hu tao need any changes

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Im working on the talents

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atm

unkempt oriole
#

Honestly u should've crowned the attack instead

unkempt oriole
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But it's good for now

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Jsut ur crit rate

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Base attack could use some boosting too

silent tulip
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lmfao is the advice for all chars just gonna be "get more crit rate"?

robust drift
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when her e gets activated her atk is around 3.1k

river oreBOT
#

up @robust drift has leveled up to LEVEL 1 exp

silent tulip
unkempt oriole
robust drift
#

I think they meant the talent

silent tulip
#

ah

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yeah if its talent it makes sense

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but like.. base atk on hu tao is just low

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she literally has the lowest base atk in the game

#
  • the best 4* weapon for her is dragon's bane which has like 450
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Anyway, about the talents, screw Monday

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all my homies hate monday

robust drift
#

I want the blackcliff pole tbh

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And I completely hate xingqiu so dragons bane is useless for me

silent tulip
#

well idk

rustic lily
#

hola i decided to re-build Childe this week, honest thoughts? i'm still farming better artif on the cdmg part

fleet knot
#

Em is a bit low if you plan to vap his burst

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I like close to 100ish, maybe 80 or so

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And I don't know if that's enough er to reliably use his burst

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And 1900 attack feels low for a harp build blobthonkang

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If you're buffed up most of the time that's not a problem though

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Solid build but I'd keep workin on it

rustic lily
#

thank you @fleet knot Prayge

past barn
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can't i just send you per artifact image?

ocean ember
#

The site is pretty intuitive

ocean ember
#

You just paste the screenshots on the site and that's it

past barn
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here you go bro

ocean ember
#

Weapon?

past barn
#

r5

ocean ember
#

Also you don't need double attack, generally it's either ATK/electro or ER/attack

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I'd also level up the catch to 90

past barn
river oreBOT
#

up @past barn has leveled up to LEVEL 2 exp

ocean ember
#

Do you have a ss of the full stats?

ocean ember
#

You gotta keep farming then ajsjs the flower is pretty good but maybe use an on set flower and an off set goblet?

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Or go for ER sands, but idk how the overall stats are

past barn
#

people with worst stats than me

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hit 100k

#

f

ocean ember
#

As I mentioned, need to know the team and rotation ajsjakd

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That's more important than artefacts for damage

past barn
#

i have sucrose

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jean

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like i dont have mona

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but you tell me the ideal rotation

ocean ember
#

Also bls send a ss with the full stats

past barn
ocean ember
#

What team are you currently running?

ocean ember
past barn
past barn
ocean ember
#

Aight unless your Jean is C2, no reason to have her there, and even then, her C2 just makes easier to do some combos while on burst, she won't up her damage number

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Plus generally speaking can't recommend running double healer (Jean Bennett sees some use with sunfield or sunfire not sure of the name, but that's not relevant here)

ocean ember
#

What are the rest of your characters? I assume you don't have Kazuha?

past barn
#

i have zhongli

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kokomi

ocean ember
#

If anything, you can run her with XQ, though he won't directly buff her damage

past barn
#

jean

past barn
ocean ember
#

Not only 5* though, as I assume you're only listing them ajsjsh

ocean ember
#

I also assume you don't have C6 Sara? Not sure how well she'd work before talking about buffing capabilities but if she's C2 or more you could also try her

past barn
ocean ember
#

Well, to max buff Raiden, I'd go Bennett (with 4p NO and a high base attack weapon), Sucrose (with 4p VV) and either Zhongli (with 4p TotM) or Sara (with high base attack weapon).

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If you go with Zhongli, I'd do Zhongli hold E -> Raiden E -> Sucrose E -> Bennett E Q -> Raiden Q

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For Sara, I'd do Raiden E -> Sucrose E -> Bennett E Q -> Sara E Q -> Raiden Q

past barn
ocean ember
#

Well idk you'd have to test in game ajsjd specially since you were already running a similar team. If you weren't doing a proper rotation it should get you to around 100k I believe, but you also need to fix the artefacts.

modern raven
#

iirc, sucrose and kazuha are the only em buffers in the game?

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for sucrose, sac or thrilling tales?

silent tulip
#

c6 diona

silent tulip
#

ttds if no mona

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i think

vestal flicker
#

Elegy for the end bow

fleet knot
vestal flicker
#

Which I recommend

quasi abyss
#

would Raiden/Kazuha/Zhongli/Jean be a somewhat good team?

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i have all except kazuha, who im farming for rn

fleet knot
#

replace zhongli with bennett and yes

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raiden has infinite stagger resistance during her burst, a shield is entirely, 100% unimportant

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the res shred he gives also doesnt matter because kazuha or jean give double that, and it has significant diminishing returns

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and bennett lets jean do sunfire stuff

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which is a lot more fun than zhongli doing nothing

quasi abyss
#

ooooo

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then i still have 3/4

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at least its functional!

#

wait but i plan to have Raiden - DPS, Kazuha - sub-dps/dps, Zhongli - shield, Jean - healer/support

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my bennett is a healer

fleet knot
#

with raiden jean bennett kazuha,
it would be raiden - dps, kazuha - buffer, bennett - buffer / pyro, jean - healer / sub dps (swirls the pyro from bennett's burst)

#

both jean and kazuha would build full em, bennett builds a lot of er

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its basically the raiden sunfire team, you can find more info about it if you look that up

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im not sure if the typical raiden sunfire comp has kazuha

ocean ember
quasi abyss
#

pyro

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or whatever thigg bff thingy is

#

the big one

#

with orbs

fleet knot
#

bennett's burst constantly applies pyro to your own units
jean's burst constantly applies anemo to your own units
applying anemo to something that is applied with pyro does a pyro swirl

quasi abyss
#

ohhhhh

fleet knot
#

constant pyro swirls = constant damage

quasi abyss
#

that makes more sense

#

that seems easy!

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plus i could do like overload or vapo with it

fleet knot
#

mhm

quasi abyss
#

ty!

fleet knot
#

so as i mentioned above, i dont know if kazuha is the "normal" 4th unit for a raiden sunfire team

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but you could do some searching on raiden guides, jean guides, or team comps to find out more

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and see what you want to do with it

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i believe that a raiden sunfire team does a lot of overloads, so you have to be careful that the enemies youre fighting dont go flying everywhere

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because if you leave bennett's circle, the pyro swirls stop

dark egret
grand kestrel
#

pyro swirlies for everyone!

bleak river
#

Circle impact

unkempt oriole
#

afk impact

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drops multiple e's and afk

high haven
#

Yall Rate this plz 🙏

#

just got it ;-;

#

I just want a crit rate circlet and a atk sands

rustic plank
#

42.8 CV, it's good artifact

fleet knot
#

really good artifact but the set is unfortunate

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any other set and it would be godlike, but blizz cares way less about super high crit rate

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so its less valuable there

rustic plank
#

well, it can be used on reverse melt or a plume off-set :p

fleet knot
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reverse melt doesnt use blizz

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and offpiece feathers are quite rare when goblets and circlets exist

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but yeah, good piece, unfortunate set

crystal barn
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I'd be willing to take the burden of having such a piece off your hands

robust cedar
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Use electro damage bonus artifacts for Hydro characters 🤫

rigid crater
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Does the domain level affect the artifact acquired?
For example, I've hardly seen circlets and goblets outside of lvl 80+

fleet knot
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only the rarity

balmy portal
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Which one is better?

bleak river
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the second one

balmy portal
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I actually tested it and the dmg didnt changed lol

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But the substats on the second one fits xiao so much

fleet knot
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second one has higher cv, but if it does the same damage while having higher crit rate, then its a no brainer

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all the stats are good, where the left one has only crit damage

next rover
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How high is a good Diona shield if shes only there for shield/heal

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and HP oder Healing Bonus circlet?

balmy portal
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I was wrong the current one does 31k and the second 30k

fleet knot
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still better

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7.4cr is no joke

balmy portal
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Okk

bleak river
next rover
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true true, so If I want her as shielder with good healing too, hb

urban plaza
rain sluice
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Hello

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Is there anyway to make yanfei a dps role?

urban plaza
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She is a dps unit...