🔨・build-discussion

[quasi abyss]

im on floor 7 rn😭

i need ONE more star to get to floor 8

then 6 more to get to the spiral

floor 9+

at stuff

that

[tight stratus]

You should be fine with your characters i think, its mostly a matter of team rotations and having the rivht artifact sets

[quasi abyss]

im struggling to do floor 7 rn

chamber 3

2

not 3

[tight stratus]

You definitely want to build bennett,

Can you remind me whats in that chamber?

I dont remember, its been a while

[quasi abyss]

it has very strict elements and stuff

the fatui guys

[tight stratus]

Uhh is it the chubby dudes? The fire sword dudes, the shield dude, the gun dude, or the cicin mages?

[quasi abyss]

the ice and water gun dudes,
pyro gun, geo guy, electro dude, and shield guy

[tight stratus]

OH OKAY

Gotcha gotcha

So what you can do is you can swirl the cryo and hydro dudes together with anemo, or you can put a pyro and cryo character on that team

I prefer chongyun and sayu for the geo dudes but you dont have chongyun, so what you can do instead is use an electro character for overload to break the geo shield

[river ore]

@tight stratus has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[tight stratus]

Fischl would be good, or you can purposely save beidous ult for the overload reaction

[quasi abyss]

i cant find 2

[tight stratus]

Thats cine

Fine^

[quasi abyss]

ok!

:D

[tight stratus]

So rn, im thinking, if you time it correctly, kaeya, thoma, beidou, and a healer

If you need to, prioritize thomas shield to keep your characters up, and beidou should be able to actually takw down the geo shield bc of her claymore (i forgot shes a claymore for some reason)

Oh wait bold on im sorry gimme one sec lemme make sure which side has what

[quasi abyss]

i found 2 if you need it!

[tight stratus]

I just googled it

[quasi abyss]

ok :D

[hexed cave]

First try to kill hydro guy, bcoz he can heal his teammates

[rustic plank]

Freuqent member for my abyss:
Zhongli, bennet, xingqiu, diona, xiangling and recently rosaria

[quasi abyss]

diona shields + heals right?

[river ore]

@quasi abyss has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[rustic plank]

Yes, shield and heal, as well as em buff

[hexed cave]

Yeah

[quasi abyss]

ok :D

[rustic plank]

Not sure if em buff was part as constellation or not

[tight stratus]

Okay:
First half: yanfei, kaeya, beidou, zbongli (can switch yanfei for thoma and zhongli for a healer)
2nd half: xingqiu,pyro character, electro character/claymore and a healer.

In terms of people you have semi built

[quasi abyss]

i could usd razor for the 2nd half

[tight stratus]

Yes!

[quasi abyss]

i have a thingy so i could make a prototype claymore

[tight stratus]

It doesnt hve to be an electro chatacter it just needs a claymore

Claymores help but if you dont have one ready, you can use overload

For the geo gunslinger

[rustic plank]

2nd half, probably: diona, rosaria, razor, barbara (with ttds)

[quasi abyss]

time to revert back to my Tazor main days

Razor

:D

[rustic plank]

All fatui has weak phys def so razor definitely can crush them fast

[quasi abyss]

goin to drag him out like “time to shine!”

[tight stratus]

I personally love bringing sayu witg me for 4vv, her claymore, and her heals

[quasi abyss]

she heals?

you learn sm every day

[tight stratus]

Yes with her ult, and her swirl with her roll

I have her c6 tho so it might be a bit different

[quasi abyss]

ohh

i think she’s c0 for me

[tight stratus]

I mean shes very useable at c0

[pine sinew]

Op

[quasi abyss]

nope!

c6 just increases the healing

:D

[tight stratus]

Oh sweeet

So yeah i know shes not meta, but with em she can do damage but her heals base on attack so take it as you will if you decide to build her

[rustic plank]

I imagine how hard it is to bring sayu if no battery around? I think her ult cost 80 iirc 🤔

My sayu is left benched for so long since she's c0 lol

[tight stratus]

She has katsuragaki

And she used to have sac

Shes my xiao battery, with her r3 katsuragaki

[rustic plank]

The energy generation from her skill is like 1 or 2 particle tho, the last time i tried her

Katsuragaki?

[tight stratus]

Ill post my build its not done tho

The inazuma craftable claymore

Its her signature weapon

[rustic plank]

Oh

Well, fk me then lol

1 claymore billet drops so far since day 1

But yea please share

Maybe a good ref if i wanna build her later

[tight stratus]

I switch her artifacts around with sucrose from time to time. I have better gladiator set stuff but if i really need more swirl stuff then i replace them with sucrose’s artifacts. Im planning on redoing her build possibly and doing hp>attack>em>anemo dmg>crit bc i use her as a sub dps as well since her roll is nearly crowned and i should get enough attack for heals with substats

Its a really crappy collage but i rushed jt lol

The substats other than on the flower are really good for her imo, ill see if i can get a quick vid of her heals n stuff

[quasi abyss]

ok so srry but could i have a recap?-

so razor, xingqiu, maybe amber and bennet for 2nd part

maybe

?

[rustic plank]

Her heal scales with atk for the ult? Also how high is her ult uptime?

[urban plaza]

Even Im trying to use Sayu as battery for Xiao

[tight stratus]

Yes and hold on

I fotta post the other one on reddit

Does that load

[quasi abyss]

nope srry

[tight stratus]

Fuq

https://www.reddit.com/user/PiercetheKarrai/comments/t5kx2x/sayu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[rustic plank]

Razor main dmg comes from phys dmg, his electro is not much compared to his phys
Try bring cryo instead of xingqiu for him, the hydro for second part is only to shred pyro fatui's shield (thats why I recommend barbara with ttds so she can buff razor as well)

If I were to build ur team:
1st: bennet, fischl, kaeya, zhongli/thoma/yanfei as shield (preferably yanfei/thoma for pyro comp)
2nd: razor as on-field dps, diona/rosaria (super conduct), xiangling (cryo shield shred), barbara (ttds)

[tight stratus]

Here

Sorry abt the wait, the text was meant to be fir the second clip but i rarely post on Reddit

I was trying to show her swirl dmg with just the gladiator vv hybrid and her heals in the dirst one

[rustic plank]

The video doesn't load on my discord mobile, will just bookmark it and watch on my laptop later lol, tysm

[tight stratus]

Sorry 😭 i hate yhat i cant send videos

And i barely understand reddit

[rustic plank]

Its prolly due to .mov extension

[tight stratus]

Oh no its the resdit link

https://www.reddit.com/user/PiercetheKarrai/comments/t5kx2x/sayu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

This one^

[rustic plank]

Oh, lemme take a quick look

[tight stratus]

Mind you, like half of her artifacts arent leveled to 20

[rustic plank]

Wow, it indeed fills fast :o

Mine was like so slow

[tight stratus]

Yessir 😌😌😌 am proud of my little child

You just need er substats, and an er weapon

Like one roll or two will be good enough

[quasi abyss]

TY :D

[rigid crater]

Is Noelle still good even under c6?

[gilded dock]

compared to C6 Noelle:
> C5: you lose 58.8% Total DMG
> C4 or under: 87.5% Total DMG

so you effectively use her at half her strength

[rigid crater]

Damn

That's a lot

What about just using her for shield/support?

[gilded dock]

50% downtime

[glacial geyser]

is this good for ganyu?

[steady stream]

Sure why not even though CV abit low

[gilded dock]

31.1cv is passable

And ivy still got a roll left

@glacial geyser get it to 20

[glacial flame]

Finally done

[rigid crater]

They need to lower lvling costs

[urban plaza]

Amen

[rigid crater]

Both in terms of mats and mora

[marble atlas]

@fleet knot

1st is crimson
2nd is shim

[humble pecan]

Second is better in terms of crit

[urban plaza]

Second also has better ER

(but it is shim)

Why does second have lower Pyro dmg bonus

OH NEVERMIND

[gilded dock]

Hu Tao uses Q at the end of the rotaation anyway

[gilded dock]

that brainfart

[urban plaza]

👉👈

[fading yacht]

first set is the best if you have xingqiu

[gilded dock]

not quite

[fading yacht]

nah, this one it's the best

in case collab with xingqiu

[gilded dock]

it literally doesn't do as much as you think it does

it's not a magical 50% dmg increase

it's like 5% because you might be able to fit a second ult in

Potential for higher rotational damage overall

[lavish needle]

Witch is better for raiden, both with r5 catch weapon. The first one had an additional 60 electro dmg bonus while the second one had 75

[gilded dock]

15% vape / melt is equal to like 80 EM

[lavish needle]

It’s kinda copium too

[urban plaza]

I wanna say that 1st is better

[gilded dock]

same

[lavish needle]

Yeah baby my raiden is upgraded

[urban plaza]

Though, can I see your atk on both?

[gilded dock]

unless you need the extra battery

[lavish needle]

1st one is 1886, second one is 2004

Base ark

Atk

[urban plaza]

Ah

I think I'd still say 1

[lavish needle]

YAY

[river ore]

@lavish needle has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[urban plaza]

Though, don't take my word to be absolute true

A lot of math that I am avoiding

[fading yacht]

talking about shime, all the element react is the main for me. taking all the risk think about rotation and extra ER just waste some time. back to play style i stand with crimson

[gilded dock]

CW vs SR is Comfort vs Power, nothing else really
also, SR + ESF farm the same domain, so HT&XQ can get farmed at the same time early-game

[pine sinew]

[languid nest]

Does ayato procs beidou ult?

[urban plaza]

Too early to say

We barely know anything about potato

[safe plinth]

it procs thomas burst so might

[pearl schooner]

hey friends, i'm still getting the hang of how builds work in genshin
it's the first game i've ever played so i'm not familiar with roles and such

could someone suggest what team comp would be good for raiden?
i currently have keqing as my main, with xiangling, ningguang/noelle and chongyun as my party

i recently got xinqiu and im hoping to pull a bennett from the raiden banner
but i can't really understand how the elemental reactions work?

like what cancels out what

[urban plaza]

A very famous team is Raiden National
Shogun, Benny, XQ and XL
You don't really need to understand much in it
Things just keep happening and you just keep attacking

[quasi abyss]

what does ttds mean?-

[rustic plank]

3* weapon, thrilling tales of dragon slayer

[quasi abyss]

ohhhh

ty!

[urban plaza]

TToDS
Very easy to get and R5
Gives ATK buff/bonus to next character or something

So essentially you will bring Barbara just before Razor, and then when you switch to razor, you get a buff

[fleet knot]

i mean, putting everything else aside, the SR build has 20% more crit rate than the cw build
40% is basically unusable imo

[fleet knot]

top for sure

[fleet knot]

99% yes

[quasi abyss]

my friend wants to know who to take for 9+ spiral abyss

[fleet knot]

well

[modern raven]

Jean, Aloy, Yun Jin, Xinyan

[fleet knot]

they've invested into diluc and ganyu

soo

[quasi abyss]

she’s a diluc main💪

[silent tulip]

Aight i love playing Chongyun Shatter

Like.. Chong, XQ, Ganyu, jean

Though my jean isn't leveled enough to properly do it

[silent tulip]

She could go national if she builds xiangling

[quasi abyss]

national is pretty good right?

[silent tulip]

One of the most used rn

[quasi abyss]

who’s in national again?

[fleet knot]

bennett xiangling

and the rest is a muddy mess

xingqiu is usually there

[silent tulip]

Raiden comes pretty often too\

@quasi abyss Most popular is Raiden, XL, Benny, XQ

[quasi abyss]

ooo ty!

[silent tulip]

though sometimes childe replaces XQ and raiden becomes an anemo char

Sometimes its Xiangling Benny XQ, Sucrose

Raiden Xiangling Benny Mona

Basically Xiangling Benny, Hydro, Anemo/Raiden

[fleet knot]

thats why the "national" team is a muddy mess

[silent tulip]

The rotation stays pretty much the same tho

[fleet knot]

raiden xiangling bennett xinqiu is "national"
childe xiangling bennett sucrose is "national"

they are not even remotely similar

[silent tulip]

I'd call the first one rational

[fleet knot]

thats a nickname for a nickname

[silent tulip]

second one ... ig childe national

[fleet knot]

yeah na

i take a stand against this

national was called national because it was 3 chinese characters

[silent tulip]

Oh yeah

Xiangling Benny Chong XQ

right?

Though yeah, national should've stayed like that

[fleet knot]

indeed

[silent tulip]

I remember a youtuber reviewed my account a while ago

trying to give me tips and shit

It was hilarious

he had no idea how my characters even work

Like.. he didn't know that SoBP works on chongyun

Nor did he understand the concept of EM sands on hu tao

[fleet knot]

.

who

[silent tulip]

Even though my fucking EM sands had 40+ CV

[silent tulip]

I still like his vids so im not gonna say

[fleet knot]

what size is the youtuber

not exact, but like

[silent tulip]

Not the biggest, Not the smallest

[fleet knot]

few thousand? 10's?

casual or na

[silent tulip]

~50k i think

[silent tulip]

I dunno

Some of his vids seem casual

others not so much

Though he's definitely not a TC

[inner ravine]

which one would be better for itto?

Not sure how important Def is compared to CR and Atk

[fleet knot]

def% >= atk%

but cr is better than both

[inner ravine]

ok thanks

[bleak river]

yay

[lavish needle]

triple crown lets go

i only have her with 10910 talents

i dont want to waste my crown

like i only have 7 left

[fleet knot]

you crowned her NA before her E?

and you crowned her NA at all?

[lavish needle]

ayaka uses normal attack too

[fleet knot]

her NAs are about keqing level iirc

i think that says pretty much all you gotta know

[bleak river]

I like using her autos

it was burst then autos then skill (order of crowning)

[ocean ember]

Yeah, if you like her autos, that's fine

Though E is usually a better investment

Mine is at 9/10/10 and will stay like that for a while x'D

[high haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858584710565330947/947749186810560542/Capture_67.JPG

Rate this its for raiden

[modern raven]

Guys is this average or normal??

[fleet knot]

leaves a bit to be desired

[modern raven]

The sets is vv and glad

[rigid crater]

A lot in this game leaves to be desired

Is lvl 90 worth it?

[fleet knot]

no

80/90 also not worth

in most cases

[rigid crater]

But some guides say that lvl difference affects damage

[fleet knot]

some guides are very wrong

for units who dont scale directly off of hp or def or level (like venti, kazuha, sucrose)

levels are next to useless

[rigid crater]

So the best option currently while resources are scarce / way to exorbitant, is too sit at lvl 80 for most characters?

[fleet knot]

honestly i wouldnt even recommend going that far until ar55

levels beyond 60/70 are very minimal, and grinding bosses before ar55 is pain (no guaranteed 5* drops)

[rigid crater]

I'm at AR 55, with most characters between 70-80

I can do most content fairly well

Just not doing abyss yet

[modern raven]

Just lvl up ur characters to 90 if u are +ar50

Cuz it might be a little difficult for u cuz everything will be on ur artifacts build and lvl if u become +ar50

[rigid crater]

I think I'm gonna invest first in the lvls

[loud grove]

@timber hearth u got dragonspine weapon?

[timber hearth]

No

I'm too scared to do the dragon spine quest thing

I can't even kill frost hillichril

[loud grove]

ah i wish i played american

so i could carry you but i am europe

[timber hearth]

also isn't that a claymore

[timber hearth]

I'm asia main

[loud grove]

its really good

[loud grove]

oh

@timber hearth i am doing some research for you ill tell you hat i found later

[timber hearth]

hat?

[loud grove]

what*

sorry i can't type lmao

[timber hearth]

KK thank

[loud grove]

who you want rosaria to carry

or jean which you prefer

[timber hearth]

ros

I'm trying to get bloodstain chivary atk time piece

[loud grove]

pale flame is easier to farm i think

do you have favonius lance?

[timber hearth]

yes

[timber hearth]

I alr got 2 piece

[loud grove]

than you dont need anymore psychical anymore

[timber hearth]

wot

[loud grove]

i would go for 2 piece nobless

oh

ye

it depends you can use cresent pike ye but i think dragonspine spear you should get because it will give you more psyh

[timber hearth]

they're both 4 stars so they should have same secondary stat increase tho

[loud grove]

you can also do a gladiator 2 piece with 2 pale or bloodstained

[loud grove]

they actually dont

[timber hearth]

I do have a godly glad feather

[loud grove]

that is indeed very nice

[timber hearth]

lvl 20 upgrade went onto def

:(((

[loud grove]

dragonspine spear will have 69% psy

[timber hearth]

oooo

[loud grove]

and cresent pike will only have 34.5%

[timber hearth]

woooooottt

[loud grove]

yes i noticed that when i was looking for a weapon

but i threw it away anyways\

[timber hearth]

I am currently trying to build fschl

[loud grove]

i did build fischl\

wait ill show u

ye this not a weapon everyone has

[pine sinew]

Mid

[loud grove]

i would recommend this one for f2p

or her own bow

[timber hearth]

I use compound

[loud grove]

build her on atk

and

as support i think

[timber hearth]

off dps

[loud grove]

of one of the atk18% sets

and a tundering fury

two piece

[timber hearth]

you know wot, fuck asia account

[loud grove]

for talents you mainly wanna focus on oZX

[timber hearth]

time to finish liyue quest on america account

where I have razor

[loud grove]

what ar you on there?

[timber hearth]

25

[loud grove]

i could grind a american account for you to help you in coop

[timber hearth]

actually

Imma see what I can get in the tw server

[loud grove]

why not europe

[timber hearth]

I got a shit start on europe

[loud grove]

well

i will carry you

[timber hearth]

only single 4 star pulls

[loud grove]

ew

ye

[timber hearth]

ikr

[loud grove]

i got an account for you if you want to play europe

[timber hearth]

nahhhh I'm gud

[loud grove]

its hutao qiqi

[timber hearth]

time to cutscene

[loud grove]

i dont really use the account anyway

[timber hearth]

ha ha, time to not watch the cutscene because my computer is too shit

it's stuck on the crab

[loud grove]

you sure you don twant the hutao qiqi account?
\

there is no cut scene

😭

[timber hearth]

wait is it a separate account which you don't use anymore/?

[loud grove]

nope

i emean yes

[timber hearth]

bruh

[loud grove]

i dont use it ever

[timber hearth]

you got hutao

[loud grove]

i have multiple accounts

[timber hearth]

why would ou never use it

ehhhhh

[loud grove]

cause i have hutao on main

[timber hearth]

Imma create 2 accounts max

so

8 save files

[loud grove]

i mean if u want u can have it

than ill update it to a you account rn

[timber hearth]

nah you can have it to your self'

[loud grove]

but i dont even want it

😭

[timber hearth]

bruh why

[loud grove]

might aswell delete it

[loud grove]

because i have better accounts

[timber hearth]

@inner vessel

scam

[loud grove]

ew

[timber hearth]

haha qiqi funni

[loud grove]

you also get this lmaoooo

[timber hearth]

wait why did I never get that when I started

[loud grove]

cause

its soemthing you get when you dont log on for a long time

[timber hearth]

wooooootttt

why didn't I get that when I left for 3 months

[timber hearth]

wait but that account would be linked to your email

I don't want your email

[loud grove]

i will create

a new email

to link it to

[timber hearth]

you can change email???

[loud grove]

yes

[timber hearth]

woooot

[loud grove]

you want it ?

than ill make a new email for it

[timber hearth]

If I get it do you want it back

[loud grove]

no

[timber hearth]

bruh why

[loud grove]

cause i told you

[timber hearth]

you got hutao

[loud grove]

i already have a different account

[timber hearth]

mhmhmhhmhmhm

[loud grove]

ar7 with jena and childe

[timber hearth]

lol

ohwell sure

[loud grove]

and a diff one with c1 qiqi and keqing

[timber hearth]

Thank you

[loud grove]

you're welcome

i'll help you through some levels if you'd like that

[timber hearth]

can you link different accounts to the same email tho

[loud grove]

IM ONLY SHOWCASING QIQI LMAO

[timber hearth]

lmoa

[loud grove]

GOT QIQI on beginner yeee

[loud grove]

no you ccannot

[timber hearth]

holy shit

novice wish

[loud grove]

ye

[timber hearth]

insane luck

[loud grove]

well

[timber hearth]

I need to go afk

[loud grove]

i cxhanged the name of the account to klout9 and ill dm you the rest

[ember frost]

since earlier people talk about Qiqi, I want to ask about her build

[loud grove]

sure

[ember frost]

did ya know whats artefact good for her?

kokomi artefact ? is good?

[loud grove]

well how you want to build her

as a healer?

[ember frost]

yes as a healer

wait Qiqi can be a DPS?

[bleak river]

Anyone can be

With enough investment

[loud grove]

ye my barbs is a main dps

ill do my research ill be right back with you about qiqi

[ember frost]

lol i don't have any investment for this month 💀 quit welkin for a month cus broke

[bleak river]

More so resin investment

[ember frost]

thanks!!! i'll be wait in here!

[loud grove]

i wish i could time skip my welkin

[ember frost]

dangg even my resin is 0 actually 😦

[loud grove]

:(

[ember frost]

same. my first month doing skipping welkin.. y'know it's kinda addictive

[loud grove]

qiqi her recommend set is ocean-hued 4 piece with sacrificial r5

[loud grove]

i have 180 days welkin so kinda

eh

time skip pls

[ember frost]

wait Sacrificial word? damn I only got one ahahah

well maybe this is one for her

[ember frost]

no way? that's a lot

[loud grove]

ye iknow

[ember frost]

anyway thanks for giving me some information about Qiqi build though

appreciate it a lot

so imma focus on hp% and Er% subs stat

[loud grove]

i will

@ember frost take this in there

it is nice to know

[ember frost]

uwoo more information!! nice! imma save this pic real quick

maybe later i will ask about Itto Arataki build in here... since waiting him for rerun

[loud grove]

ah i will be here

!

[signal tundra]

What level should I get Bennett xiangling and Xingqiu? I want to build the national team for abyss since my main dps guys are built

[loud grove]

i recommend atleast lvl 70

bc of the talents

they

unlock at 70

[ember frost]

oh nevermind about itto, i want to build ningguang too since I got Skyward Atlas 😦

i mean is not that bad

[loud grove]

thats a great choice

its alright i dont have the skyward atleast myself

[ember frost]

so she good on skyward atlas?

[loud grove]

@subtle flax you have skyward atlas would you recommend it on ningie

[urban plaza]

60/70

[loud grove]

ye

[loud grove]

i think its better on yanfei

[ember frost]

uh oh, yanfei huh... so i need to switch up the widsnt book (?) to ningguang

[urban plaza]

Tbh supports are fine at 60/70 since you can get all their talents unlocked
But you might want to go 70/80 so that you can get some talents to lvl 8

[loud grove]

which catalyst do you have

and characters

[ember frost]

so i got yanfei with Widsith...

and ningguang on skyward atlas...

[urban plaza]

Apparently Ning's 1st is skyward

[loud grove]

it is?

[ember frost]

i have a sucrose, lisa, and barbara but I havent build them yet

[oblique pelican]

Widsith is much better on Yanfei than on ning

[ember frost]

okay let sum up then, i barely can switch up these both character weapon if i want to though.. since these both are good with these weapons

thanks anyway..

[urban plaza]

Apparently in the builds, yes

[urban plaza]

I'll agree
Because one of the passives gives EM buff

[urban plaza]

Keep the 5 star on ning
Widsith on Yanfei

[ember frost]

aight mate.. thanks for advice!

[urban plaza]

My yanfei with (I think it was R1 then) widsith and other buffs, has done 112k charged

I can share the screenshot if you want

heheheh

[ember frost]

sure, it help me a lot with that..

[urban plaza]

This screenshot is from my friend's side

[tender agate]

whats your yanfei build

[urban plaza]

4 Crimson

[urban plaza]

She was 80/80 back then
With 8-9-9 talents I think
(Mine is C6, so I had 4 scarlet seals)

Unless you wanna see the proper shinshin moe build

[tender agate]

oh its ok thanks

mine's c1 though

whats her weapon?

[urban plaza]

Widsith

[urban plaza]

Good luck getting her cons♥️

[ember frost]

sheeshh thats a lot of dmg

[urban plaza]

Hehehhe

Could be better ig djmsks

But she was using buffs

Food included

[ember frost]

man i use Yanfei to kill spectre mobs fr.. its easy since with her on my side

[urban plaza]

Amen

I use koko, Yanfei and Ning

XD

[bleak river]

I use yanfei and yae

[urban plaza]

I wanna try Yanfei and Shogun

Co-ordinated Superconducts

[loud grove]

i wanna cry

[still hatch]

these two are crit dmg/crit rate

idk why i locked them i thought it was cool that 2* and 3* artifacts had that

[rigid crater]

Who’s the best dps character?

[gilded dock]

there's no best

the only ways to judge a unit are overworld (everyone works) or abyss (which rotates)

Raiden National, generally speaking, has been the most successful team over the past 5 months, but that's basically 4 subs in a trenchcoat

[grave laurel]

My current team is eula, rosaria, zhongli and traveler geo

Is worth continue build this team ?
Current lv is 70,70,70,80

[rigid crater]

Raiden national is Raiden,Bennett,Sara and who?

[grave laurel]

Until i can solo farm to all domain

[urban plaza]

XQ

Ig

Maybe XL

Oh you are talking about hypercarry

It is usually kazuga

National is benny. Xq and Xl

[rigid crater]

Where can I find the team setups?

[fleet knot]

raiden national doesnt have sara, thats hypercarry

[fleet knot]

keqing mains (kqm) has character guides with teams, but the best thing to do is to understand the teams and be able to make your own

because you dont have every unit, so knowing the value and role of each position to know how to augment it is the best thing for your case

[rigid crater]

But usually what’s a good team setup, is it 1 dps, 2 dps, 1 support, etc?

[grand kestrel]

depends entirely on play style

[fleet knot]

1 dps, 1 support, 1 sub dps, 1 defensive unit is a pretty stable setup

the support unit can also be a solid sub dps in some cases, like kazuha

so like, lets look at hyper hutao
its hutao, sucrose, xingqiu, and thoma
or double geo hutao, same thing
hutao, xingqiu/albedo, zhongli

but xingqiu and albedo provide support and sub dps

the cool thing about xingqiu is that he just fucking does everything

[rigid crater]

How do I use sucrose?

[fleet knot]

unmatched single target off field hydro applicated
great sub dps (a well built xingqiu can do 200-300k damage per rotation with no buffs)
defensive unit (provides 50+% damage reduction and heals)

sucrose you just want to level up and give 3 em main stats

and 4p vv

getting as much er as possible is also recommended, but em is the top priority

you can use sac frags or ttods

[grand kestrel]

Ironically, I still haven't kitted Sucrose out with EM.

[fleet knot]

sucrose is one of the most impactful / powerful 4* units, full stop

[grand kestrel]

she's still a badass with a more typical DPS build, I'm not concerned lol

getting EM vv is hard. Hell, getting EM is hard. 😛

I got Kazuha EM set, I'm still in burnout. 😛

three things that would greatly improve QoL in Genshin. Get rid of base roll substats on arties. Give us some way to reroll the stat distribution. Equalize the %chance of substats across the board.

[rigid crater]

When using sucrose, are we focusing on normal atks or her skill/burst?

[fleet knot]

she's based on swirls, which only scale off her own level and EM

her talents are the least important talents to level up in the whole game

you can 666 if you want because its cheap and free extra damage

but very small impact

[jovial hazel]

is geo traveler worth building instead of anemo?

i have my traveler built for anemo with 4 piece viridescent venerer on but im finding that my anemo skill dps is falling short as my world level increases

[fleet knot]

traveler is hard to make work

geo is probably the best of the 3, but also the most niche, as she can act as a battery for geo teams

anemo mc works in more places, but you need to build EM and get their level up so the swirls get stronger

if you want swirls, sucrose is infinitely better

if you want damage on a geo team, there are better options aswell in most cases

[jovial hazel]

my gacha luck is bad so unfortunately i dont have a lot of options when it comes to team comps

[fleet knot]

na its not a luck thing

genshin has absolutely horrible rates

its just a time thing

you'll get more units in time

[oblique pelican]

And
time=money
You need one to cut other short. Equivalent exchange

[modern raven]

for sucrose, should i prioritize getting 4pc vv or em?

[gilded dock]

VV for sure

you can even use 4star EM for the time being

[modern raven]

what would a swirl-based team look like?

i can imagine xingqiu being there

or raiden

[gilded dock]

if you want sucrose as the driver, the most common one is tazecrose

Sucrose
Fischl
Beidou
Xingqiu

[modern raven]

tazecrose is?

that's interesting

is there any anemo character where 4pc vv is not ranked above other artifacts?

[gilded dock]

though I swapped beidou for diona in the past for heal/shield
though I am grabbing kokomi soon, so will use Sucrose, Fischl, Beidou, Kokomi myself

[gilded dock]

Xiao

[modern raven]

xiao would use?

[gilded dock]

an upcoming set preferably, but if you can't wait for the chasm, 2VV 2GF/2SR

[fleet knot]

taser sucrose is sucrose, fischl/yae, beidou, xingqiu

beidou and xingqiu both give damage reduction so you take very little damage

[modern raven]

i assume that you could also swap fischl/yae with raiden?

[fleet knot]

yeah, though raiden's battery potential is not extremely important there

so its sort of like using a jack hammer to make a sand castle

[modern raven]

how good is fischl as a battery?

[gilded dock]

very good

[modern raven]

why so?

[fleet knot]

electro resonance

fischl isnt actually exceptional as a battery, its electro resonance

[modern raven]

also, can someone explain to me exactly how energy and particle recharge/generation works?

this might sound stupid, but if i am correct, a character can only gather energy/particles when they are on field?

[fleet knot]

that is not correct

off field characters get 60% the energy of the on field character

an orb has the following properties
small/large
elemental/white
on-field/off-field

[modern raven]

are elemental skill-generated particles always small?

[fleet knot]

this table can probably just explain it better than i can

particle = small, orb = large

and no, killing elemental enemies can make elemtal orbs (abyss mages come to mind)

so if i get a pyro particle with diluc on field and xinqiu off field
diluc gets 3 energy * energy recharge stat
xingqiu gets 0.6 energy * energy recharge stat

[modern raven]

i once again have realized how hoyoverse does little to explain the combat system above how to trigger a reaction

[fleet knot]

yeah its lame

its not even like "its hidden deep in a menu"
the information is just straight up not in-game at all

[modern raven]

leaving it up to examination

[fleet knot]

for the most part, you can ignore different-element particles and just focus on the same element ones

[fleet knot]

oh, you said skill-generated
i think the answer to that is yes

i was just talking about elemental energy in general

[ocean ember]

Well, Balakin basically explained what I was about to write. xD Just that ER only affects the energy the character gets per particle. In another words, ER doesn't affect like the energy a particle regenerates by itself. This is, for example, if you didn't care at all for Diona's ult and just wanted her as a battery/shield, you technically wouldn't need ER on her, as it wouldn't matter if she had a ton of ER, the energy generated for the rest of the characters would be the same as if she had no ER.
I wanted to mention this because early on I used to think that a certain character's ER would affect how much energy the particles created by said character would generate for the other ones.

[fleet knot]

and yeah, ater brings up a good point
er only effects the energy particles/orbs, so someone like raiden (who restores flat energy) does not restore more based on the ally er

[quasi abyss]

oml guess what

lvl 80 kaeya

with like lvl 4 talents

hit 7k earlier

so proud

[oblique pelican]

Artifacts mvp

[humble pecan]

My level 70 jean with level 4 talents can hit 10k

Good job tho

[humble pecan]

Which would be better for Xiangling

[fleet knot]

theyre both +0

so neither

both are also useless sets for xiangling

and both have ER and atk%

so is your question just... is flat defense better than em?

because EM is just as good as crit stats up to a point

[humble pecan]

She has 4pc eosf rn and i want to know what would be a better off piece so i can level that one up

So yeah ig i was asking if i should choose def or em

[fleet knot]

:P

well def is useless in general, but ESPECIALLY useless for someone who is off field 99% of the time

[ocean ember]

Except Albedo (?)

[bleak river]

Ye

[ocean ember]

Akajshdk but yeah, I agree, useless most of the time xD

[fleet knot]

for xiangling

[ocean ember]

Yeah, ik, I just found the "but ESPECIALLY useless for someone who is off field 99% of the time" bit funny out of context I guess xD

[fleet knot]

true

😔

[bleak river]

And ig yunjin(?)

[fleet knot]

albedo do be off field

[urban plaza]

Even Yun Yun

[raven radish]

Is a deff% cirlcet good for Itto?

[river ore]

@raven radish has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[urban plaza]

Not really
You'd usually look for Crit

[gilded dock]

still salty yunjin isn't a sword user

[raven radish]

Damn

[gilded dock]

would've removed all the issues cinnabar spindle had from the community outcry

[bleak river]

Ig ye

[fleet knot]

if you have redhorn and you have extremely good artifacts

a def% circlet can be good on him

this is really hard to reach, though

[humble pecan]

If the def% circlet has a godly cv then it could work, but ur probably better off finding a crit circlet with a def substat

[gilded dock]

yeah, like 65 / 120 from substats minimum, which isn't easy

that is approximately the same as 4CR and 2CD rolls on every artifact

so basically no room for error

[raven radish]

I have blackcliff slasher

But I think I'll just farm for a crit rate circlet at this point

Knowing my rng luck

[rigid crater]

Damn sucrose nice

Sacrificial fragments or mappa mare for her?

[urban plaza]

Sac frags

[rigid crater]

Ok thanks

[strong geyser]

qiqi..

[urban plaza]

niceee

[prime lodge]

wow

[boreal magnet]

Hello I just wanna ask if Physical Build Rosaria would be good with Chongyun and Shenhe

M

?

[subtle flax]

shenhe is ok but chongyuns E makes ur physical attacks cryo so you wont benefit from ur physical bonuses

[gilded dock]

with chongyun you want to focus on cryo DMG bonus for sure

[terse linden]

Ooh I have a question!
Should I raise my white tassel to 90? For yunjin.

It should be okay? I'm planning on full def on her and I still want her to crit, since she scales off of def, then the base atk of the weapon won't matter anyways right? Plus it's cheaper to level up

[gilded dock]

you want Fav Lance on her

2Defender 2Husk on triple def with all sub rolls into CR and ER

[terse linden]

yeahh but like I have fav lance on my shenhe

it would be a waste to raise 2

[steady stream]

@fleet knot what do you think, assuming that i only have purple elemental dmg bonus goblet.

Given the scenarios below, will it be better to use a purple elemental dmg bonus goblet (with superior sub stats) or a gold attack goblet (inferior sub stats)?

And also, if they have similar sub stats, which one will you use?

For context, on yae miko

Superior sub stats im referring to crit stats

[oblique pelican]

@fleet knot wake up

The world needs you

[boreal magnet]

Thanks for your responses👏

[gilded dock]

got no better weapon for her?

[terse linden]

nope! I cant craft starglitter too

[gilded dock]

ok then triple ATK fav lance with CR subs is your best bet

[terse linden]

atk?

[gilded dock]

the absolute best-case would be 2x ATK% sets (gladiator, shimenawa) with ATK / ATK / ATK mainstats
and for substats, all ATK% rolls in Flower and Feather
and all CR in the other three

that would be the highest build you could get with godmode

just so you know what to shoot for

[terse linden]

Ooh you mean shenhe?

[gilded dock]

yeah

[terse linden]

Yeah I have that on her

HDAHHHSHAHS I thought you meant yunjin so I got confused lol

[gilded dock]

oh

[terse linden]

I could give shenhe the waverbreaker so I could give yunjin fav lance?

but my waverbreaker is on xiangling :v

[gilded dock]

and who has catch?

[modern raven]

Assuming I don’t get engulfing, which weapon should raiden use? I want to use her as off-field.

The pole arms I have are:

Jade

Skyward

R4 catch(being used on xiangling currently)

R2 dragon

[urban plaza]

Usually R5 catch

See^

You can shift XL to Dragons or Skyward

[modern raven]

Could xl also use jade

[urban plaza]

XL can use literally everything

[modern raven]

What’s an ideal raiden team anyway?

[urban plaza]

For shogun, acco to this, Jade stands above Catch
So you can do that

Give her ER sand and atk goblet

[modern raven]

One team that comes to my mind is raiden, childe xq and vv

[urban plaza]

ig it depends on your shogun use and your characters
2 famous shogun teams are national and hypercarry

[urban plaza]

Who is VV?

Raiden national is VERY famous

[modern raven]

Sucrose Kazuha or venti

[urban plaza]

Why would you use XQ and Childe both

[modern raven]

You’re right

Anyway

Raiden national iirc is her, Bennett xiangling and xq

[urban plaza]

Raiden Kazu Sara Benn is hypercarry

[urban plaza]

Yep

[urban plaza]

Can replace Kazu with suc

[modern raven]

How do either of these teams play out?

[urban plaza]

You can get away with ER sand and Electro gob IF you have benny or sara buff

National is essentially
Raiden skill
The 3 skills and burst
raiden burst

You're supposed to use Benny before Xiangling though, since you want her burst to snapshot Benny's buff

With the 3 bursts going on, You finally unlease shogun's burst

[modern raven]

What reaction will shogun burst create? Overload?

[urban plaza]

Apparently it creates reactions left right and center

Idk

[modern raven]

How does xingqiu come into play?

[urban plaza]

Hydro application for 1. Electrocharge
Electrocharge stays unlike other reactions
and Vape for Xiangling

Also, apparently all 3 have high burst costs, so they give resolve stacks to Shogun

[modern raven]

Resolve stacks are?

[urban plaza]

I'd still recommend watching vids for both

[urban plaza]

Yknow the circle behind shogun

[modern raven]

The one that creates electro attacks after each normal?

[urban plaza]

Basically she can gain 60 resolve stacks (the math is in her kit)
She gains stacks when her team mates receive energy particles
and/or use burst

[urban plaza]

That is her skill

Casting her skill will give everyone eye of stormy judgement
The eye hence deals co-ordinated attacks

Hence every 0.9(?) seconds, the eye deals 1 co-ordinated attack

Hence all shogun comps begin with casting her skill

[gilded dock]

you should read her abilities and constellations for yourself and come back with questions after. it is quite a bit, so I get the confusion

[terse linden]

late response sorryy but ei has it!

[gilded dock]

Ah makes sense

[modern raven]

if "R" is Rank, what is "S"?

[ocean ember]

R is usually for refinement, S for stack

[modern raven]

why is pyro goblet recommended for bennett? shouldn't you use er or hp?

er especially

[ocean ember]

There's no ER goblet

And HP is recommended for support/healer Bennett

Pyro is recommended for sub dps, so you want him to do damage

[modern raven]

in that case, i'll be using an hp goblet

[gilded dock]

if you have 30k+ HP on him, you can go with a pyro goblet even as sub

[fleet knot]

Since yae miko doesn't have any large sources of damage bonus like Raiden or xiao, I think it is very unlikely than an atk goblet is better

[fleet knot]

The 2 typical teams are Raiden national and Raiden hypercarry
I am a fan of the latter

You can always look up some gameplay

[modern raven]

for fischl, why alley hunter over stringless?

why is xiao considered f2p-unfriendly? what would his ideal team be?

[gilded dock]

the most optimal would be something like C4 jean, zhongli, albedo (preferably C4 as well)
also, you basically need PJWS on him iirc

[modern raven]

what does pjws mean

also my earlier question: for fischl why alley hunter over stringless?

[river ore]

Primordial Jade Winged-Spear

A jade polearm made by the archons, capable of slaying ancient beasts.

Eagle Spear of Justice

On hit, increases ATK by 3.2%/3.9%/4.6%/5.3%/6% for 6s. Max 7 stacks. This effect can only occur once every 0.3s. While in possession of the maximum possible stacks, DMG dealt is increased by 12%/15%/18%/21%/24%.

Type

Polearm

Rarity

5 ⭐

Source

Wish

Base ATK

674

Secondary Stat

CRIT Rate 22.1%

​

​

Ascensions Material

Guyun ​ ​ Knife ​ ​ Insignia

※ Stats numbers are at max level

Alley Hunter

An intricate, opulent longbow. It once belonged to a gentleman thief who was never caught.

Oppidan Ambush

While the character equipped with this weapon is in the party but not on the field, their DMG increases by 2%/2.5%/3%/3.5%/4% every second up to a max of 20%/25%/30%/35%/40%. When the character is on the field for more than 4s, the aforementioned DMG buff decreases by 4%/5%/6%/7%/8% per second until it reaches 0%.

Type

Bow

Rarity

4 ⭐

Source

Wish

Base ATK

565

Secondary Stat

ATK% 27.6%

​

​

Ascensions Material

Dandelion Gladiator ​ ​ Chaos ​ ​ Slime

※ Stats numbers are at max level

[gilded dock]

R5 stringless has less base ATK and only 8% more over a max-stax alley hunter
also, alley has ATK%

Stringless is better in reaction teams like tazecrose, though

[modern raven]

i see

[fleet knot]

Since he effectively has no reactions, he literally just needs to be built with good artifacts, and that's p much it

For some reason "f2p" is equated with "bad at the game / have bad artifacts"

I mean, it makes sense
If you're spending, it should be a game you know about

[steady stream]

Nah, there is no "noob" only "newb" in this game. Games like GI takes time to build, no one is truly a noob.

Spending is in a way just doing things quicker than others, at least in the perspective of dolphin level spenders and min maxers.

[fleet knot]

This is definitely wrong

Some people are just ass at the game

[steady stream]

Most people.....

[fleet knot]

Probably tbh

[steady stream]

Sure there are a lot of asshat garbage who cant think but they are too less to be really considered a factor

[fleet knot]

Defense% timepiece on diluc because I can't live without one

[steady stream]

Thats.... Asinine

[proven sphinx]

what good team for hutao

[steady stream]

Ok i take back what i said, thats stupud to the core

[fleet knot]

Xingqiu is a must

The rest are less important

[steady stream]

Although that does reminds me of a genius

AR41 calls the host retard when the coop host made a minor mistake

[tired burrow]

hello ideas for yae miko team? no raiden or Sara (but c1 yae so energy hasn’t been much of a problem…) and most other 4 star chars (no sayu, gorou, sara and razor)

[bleak river]

Yae fischl hydro sucrose works well enough

[strong geyser]

which for? ganyu i dont have full set yet

I cant do grammar omg

[uncut cargo]

Since I don't have ganyu I don't rlly know

Do you need er on her? If not the 1st

Id say

[fleet loom]

dont know whether i should be thanking the thundering bird or dont know what to do for my raiden build.

since she already has an off piece sands

which is godly and i needed an atk goblet for her

[river ore]

@fleet loom has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[fleet loom]

literally i have this for her goblet rn

i literally need help to decide what to do

[upper sable]

first one would provide you with overall more dmg

14.6% attack is alot even if the other feather had 31% cd it would still be less efficient or on par

[quartz salmon]

first one for sure

[strong geyser]

okay ty

atk rolls r good?

[quartz salmon]

yes

if u see, first one has better crit value tho

[pseudo prawn]

Just unlocked this artifact. Who should I give it to?

[steady stream]

Bennett and barbara as a spare piece if you are building full support

[crystal barn]

i personally would pick the top one due to the crit rate, ganyu has crit dmg ascension stat so getting ok crit rate is something you should look more into

[strong geyser]

thanku :)

[crystal barn]

np

[rustic plank]

Upper one due to higher cr and atk. 5% cdm doesn't make that much difference in her dmg, but losing 6% cr may make u lose overall dmg (fk rng)

[fleet knot]

The top one and it's not even close

[modern raven]

I heard that the best team for Xiao would be (C4) Jean, Albedo and Zhongli. I understand Jean for the battery, but why Albedo and Zhongli?

Also, would you agree the Geo is the least f2p-friendly element since most of the good characters are banners?

[urban plaza]

Geo resonance
Xiao is paper thin and hence ZL can increase his survivability by tonnes
Albedo is for geo resonance. Being an off field dps, he can provide additional damage without hogging up a lot of free time

[ocean ember]

Plus Albedo's C4 iirc also boost plunging attack damage

[urban plaza]

Interesting

[unkempt oriole]

yes

[unkempt oriole]

albedo and zhongli run with great synergy, increases ur overall dps by reducing resistance and small burst dmg here and there

its a great support duo for characters like xiao and hutao

though most will just zl with hutao, since they needed to trigger elemental reaction with other charcters

[bleak river]

Makes me regret not having zhongli^

[unkempt oriole]

i dont really agree with this some geo characters are relatively low requirement

zl and albedo can run on budget artis and weapon , and still work well

[bleak river]

No as in most geo are limited banner chars

[unkempt oriole]

ah i see

well noelle and ningguang exists

[ocean ember]

Tbf though if Zhongli is paired with Hu Tao, Albedo is usually the duo

At least talking from a meta standpoint

[modern raven]

I need help with team comps ;-;

[ocean ember]

I don't think there's any other team with Hu Tao with double geo that isn't Zhongli and Albedo, though I thiink Yun Jin nowadays could replace Albedo if you're doing N2C, but not sure if it'd be at the same level or better

[bleak river]

There is, hutao xq Thoma anemo

[ocean ember]

Could do tazer, Sucrose/XQ/Fischl and maybe Sara

[ocean ember]

I meant with geo

[modern raven]

ohh okay

[ocean ember]

Thoma and anemo is better than the geo duo afaik

[modern raven]

Im a xiao main and idk who to team him with, I just have him with benny, diona and barbara ;-;

[ocean ember]

Also a very good team would be national, aka Bennett/XQ/Xiangling/Sucrose

[bleak river]

Ic

[ocean ember]

No need to run 3 healers

[urban plaza]

replace barbs with sucrose or any other battery

[modern raven]

ah okay

[ocean ember]

From what you have, Xiao/Sucrose (for battery, so preferably C1 or sac frags at least)/Bennett and something like Fischl or Xiangling would work well I think

[modern raven]

Im trying to build Yae Miko and Rosaria for Kokomi

[urban plaza]

I wouldn't recommended benching Diona

[high haven]

I regret pulling for Ganyu 😕

shouldve gone for Shenhe or Zhongli

[ocean ember]

I don't see why running Yae and Rosaria in the same team, considering it's for Koko.

[high haven]

dum dum 😛

[ocean ember]

Double healer is too much

[bleak river]

But shield

[urban plaza]

Diona shields too fhsnsksk

[modern raven]

ah okay, I have C2 Sucrose and Xiangling, and C1 Fischl, Im in the middle of building Bennett

[ocean ember]

Yeah, but it's better to take an off-field dps alksjla

Bennett is usually enough

So either Diona or Bennett, and I'd recommend Bennett over Diona in this case

[modern raven]

idk, Kokomi and Rosaria's burst are good together aparently ;-;

[urban plaza]

I've tried Koko and Xiao, And honestly, Shield >>>>

[high haven]

you guys use shields

?

[ocean ember]

Could run freeze, what I meant superconduct is not good unless you're running a physical carry

[urban plaza]

I can run ZL+ Xiao, and have him survive at 18 HP in most scenarios

[urban plaza]

Yes

[modern raven]

Im on abyss floor 8, I just finished it and im gonna do floor 9 next

[ocean ember]

It depends on your playstyle, but really, Diona+Bennett is not a good idea unless they can't keep themself alive

[modern raven]

ohh okay, idk if I should pull for Kokomi or Raiden, because if I choose raiden I need to build more characters ;-;

[ocean ember]

You can run Raiden with Bennett, Sara and Sucrose/XQ, or Bennett, Xiangling and XQ. Both are great teams.

The first one focuses on Raiden as the main carry, second is a national variation

[urban plaza]

The issue is with one-shot enemies
It is VERY easy to die by the hands of Kairagi and/or Lawachurls
To say nothing of Azdaha and childe
Shield also provides resistance to interruption = more DPS

[modern raven]

Raiden National is OP right? I think its good for abyss

[urban plaza]

But in the end, it is up to them if they wanna run Shield with Xiao or not

[ocean ember]

This highly depends on the player though alskjdal I have no issue fighting them with Hu Tao, for instance

[urban plaza]

Sir
Hutao ≠ Xiao

[ocean ember]

Plus Xiao is very mobile so he's not that reliant on stagger resistance

[urban plaza]

Do you main Xiao👀

Wait I'll show you how easy it is for Xiao to die cjdndjjdsj

[ocean ember]

I mention Hu Tao due to the HP draining mechanic, which is the only reason why you'd consider so much defence to begin with alksjdla

[modern raven]

Btw is lvl 80 Xiao 2.1k dmg good? (I have him with Blackcliff)

[ocean ember]

Yup!

[ocean ember]

On plunge? That's too low

[urban plaza]

Not exactly
With Hutao you have more options to iframe and dodge
Xiao however...

[modern raven]

I wanna pull for Kokomi but then again Raiden

[modern raven]

I meant his stats ;-;

[urban plaza]

Plus it is very easy to hit-kill Xiao mid plunge

[modern raven]

Xiao's plunges are 12k-38k max

[ocean ember]

Not yet, but still alskjdal you'd run either Diona or Bennett, not both at the same time, unless as I mention you're struggling to keep yourself alive

[urban plaza]

Smh

[ocean ember]

Oh attack then alksdjla I think it's fine, in the lower end but I'd assume unbuffed

[ocean ember]

This is a matter of learning enemy patterns though alsjlad

[modern raven]

unbuffed with lvl 5 talents :"D

[urban plaza]

I-

[ocean ember]

Talents don't influence the attack stat, but yeah, it seems fine enough I think!

Shield is better for unga bunga-ing stuff though, so there's that xD

[modern raven]

I was trying to get Zhongli last rerun but sadly I lost 50/50 at 40 pity 😭

[ocean ember]

I just think Diona + Bennett, specifically, isn't as good, as they're redundant. Diona doesn't bring anything else but more healing and shield, while Zhongli, for example (who is usually run alongside Jean in Xiao's case), brings shield and anemo res shred, which is pretty hard to get

[ocean ember]

Oop, hopefully you get him next time then!

[modern raven]

I think I wanna skip Raiden and Kokomi banner for Ayato and Venti-

Is thoma better than xinyan?

[urban plaza]

Not redundant but okay
Survivability, Resistance to interruption, Bonus speed are pretty good stats imo

[ocean ember]

Generally speaking, yeah. But he's really niche, as his only real good comp right now is with Tao. Other than than, he can work as a fine shielder, but Diona is usually a better option

[modern raven]

dang

[ocean ember]

In Xiao's case though, it isn't enough to justify running her with Bennett. Compared to Zhongli, for example, she falls short. And you'd get more damage overall with an off-field dps like Fischl or Xiangling, specially considering Bennett's already there. I'd be more inclined to Fischl though, but I guess it'd depend if it's a single target or multiple target situation

[modern raven]

so I have to wait till thoma's next appearance to get him

[urban plaza]

Remove Bennett then
Low dmg Xiao > Dead Xiao

[modern raven]

I have C1 Fischl and Diona

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[ocean ember]

That's why I specified with Bennett askjdakd. She's a good option if you're running Bennett in another team already.

[urban plaza]

Remove Bennett then 😌😌😌

Run Benny in National on other team

[ocean ember]

Fischl is a neat single target off-field dps, and Diona is a great general support, so I'd recommend building both if you can spare that alksdla but depends on what teams you wanna run

[ocean ember]

The whole discussion though was about not running Bennett and Diona together :P as it's redundant alsdjla

[urban plaza]

Not redundant

[modern raven]

Bennett is best boy

[ocean ember]

It is, that's what I've explained all along alksdjalkd

Unless you can't keep Xiao alive, that is

[oblique pelican]

Tldr get ZL for xiao

[modern raven]

Imma get Raiden so Yae Miko can atleast do something rather than sit in the waitinf list

[urban plaza]

And I explained why it isn't :>

[ocean ember]

Yeah, Zhongli is his best option by far if you want to run shield with him

Diona is fine, if she's the only healer

No reason at all to run her with Bennett, as most off field dps will net you more damage overall than Diona

[modern raven]

Xiao, Albedo, Jean, Zhongli is a good comp right?

[bleak river]

mhm

[modern raven]

not updated version of my xiao build

[urban plaza]

one of the best

[modern raven]

Is this artifact good for xiao?

[oblique pelican]

There is a new set coming for him. So you'd be better off not farming for him rn

[ocean ember]

His best, actually, but it's a pretty premium team so it can be hard to do xD

^

[modern raven]

OH WAIT WHAT

[ocean ember]

The new set is tailored for him

[modern raven]

B R U H

SO I WASTED 40 FRAGILES-

😭

[urban plaza]

Use it on Any other Anemo unit ig

[oblique pelican]

You can use it on jean tho

[urban plaza]

Since you have Jean

[modern raven]

I dont have her

;-;

[urban plaza]

Sayu and sucrose use VV too

Same with Kazu Venti

[modern raven]

The only other anemo characters I have are Traveller, Sayu, and C2 Sucrose ;-;

[urban plaza]

All three can use VV

[oblique pelican]

Wait, are you using fragiles before ar45?

[modern raven]

Im AR 50

[oblique pelican]

How come you only have 1 sands after using 40 fragiles? It's hard to believe

[modern raven]

I used them-

to level other artifacts