🔨・build-discussion

[fleet knot]

Solid

[midnight girder]

is it good?

or must be all in crt dmg better?

i'm new

[fleet knot]

It's definitely solid

It's easy to under rate atk%, but it adds a lot

[broken umbra]

I think it is ok?

because It has crit dmg and atk

but it has 2 defences

[midnight girder]

it's my first 5 starts

[ebon otter]

its not bad if you have nothing else

[broken umbra]

ye

but just use it as easy one

don't use it after

[midnight girder]

okay, ty

[wise oak]

IM AWAKE

IM awake

[ebon otter]

HI KAE

[wise oak]

HIII

[modern raven]

OMG KAE

[ebon otter]

if i were to raise xiangling which weapon would i snatch

[clear heron]

Either the catch or dragon's bane

but the catch is better afaik

[bleak river]

Mhm

[silk nest]

the catch is best for burst/sub dps

[balmy portal]

Is this good?

[fleet knot]

extremely

but this is quite unfortunate timing

[dim palm]

These are my hu tao stats but still she like never crit -v-

Pls dont ask abt the artifact set they’re so random😭

[balmy portal]

why

[balmy portal]

Thats good

[fleet knot]

Leaks

[balmy portal]

Ohh

[visual osprey]

we not sure where they gonna drop yet tho

leaks suggested ||abyss strongbox rewards will b replaced with the two new sets||

[round narwhal]

👁️👁️

[visual osprey]

but if thats tru then its uncertain if they will ||hav a domain at all, or maybe just added to boss drops/crafting table strongbox||

[fleet knot]

only the 4* ones though

which is SUPREMELY LAME

[visual osprey]

oh wait what

dam why

[oblique pelican]

New Abyss floors then?

[fleet knot]

No

[cerulean basalt]

This good enough?

[fleet knot]

good stats but the set bonus leaves something to be desired
2bs or 4pf would be strictly better

er is also low

and atk

[modern raven]

That er hella low actually

You could probably sacrifice some crit for more er

[strong geyser]

wich one, idk why my atk so low

[fleet knot]

probably the first one but im a fan of higher crit rate

the second one is higher average damage

[marble atlas]

first one

[strong geyser]

i got two diferent answers

her damage is soo bad omg

[spring frost]

Is this good for hu tao?

[fleet knot]

Solid

[fleet knot]

People underrate crit rate over 70%

But it's very good

[cerulean basalt]

Haven't got either of them. No luck with artifs still

[cerulean basalt]

Running her with raiden and diona, so er isn't that much am issue currently. Ty

[urban cobalt]

which of these sands should I use? is it worth it to swap to the gladiator sands from the berserker sands?

for razor

[ocean ember]

Main stat >> set bonus (except in some very specific cases, like a VV support)

Though I'd try to get a better atk sands

[urban cobalt]

so keep the beserker sands then?

[ocean ember]

For now, probably, but tbh I'd just test your damage with both

[urban cobalt]

How would I test my damage?

[gilded dock]

against something that'd survive the damage.
typically, people use primovishap with an element you don't use for the damage, or they go to abyss and bully the PMA in floor 12-1

e.g. I used a pyro geovishap when looking at my beidou's raw DMG output with no buffs

[fleet knot]

primo geovishap or PMA are typical targets

no shields or anything to work through

tanky

and respawn if you kill em

[ocean ember]

If you're WL5, probs a mitachurl with no shield could suffice, or, if you have Inazuma unlocked and finished the quest with Masanori, Masanori is a fine test subject as well

[fleet knot]

ah yeah masanori is a good one
only issue is that sometimes he does that stupid parry thing

which can last upwards of 40 seconds for absolutely no reason at all, at least not one that im aware of

[ocean ember]

I've never had him done that before, but sounds awful lmao

[round narwhal]

STRAIGJT UP

this happened to me when

i HAD to fight him

and i didn’t really have anyone at that point to just burst through it

so annooyying

[timber hearth]

Guys guys

new meta

physical Bennett

👍

[quasi abyss]

just did a quick photo shoot

my kaeya build :D/

i also have him with xingqiu

who’s a off field dps

is it good?-

[bleak river]

whats your ar?

[wintry coyote]

Are you running 4pc blizzard?

[oblique pelican]

Lv 42 kaeya?

[quasi abyss]

yup

he’s lvl 80

[quasi abyss]

50 :D

[oblique pelican]

Aah

[wintry coyote]

Get those talent levels up

[quasi abyss]

o prob do that

i

[wintry coyote]

I would say its a good build even though idk much about kaya

[quasi abyss]

i forget about them even tho very domain says they suck

[quasi abyss]

if i give him the adeptis temptation he does up to 12k cryo dmg if that means anything

[wintry coyote]

Now rate my xiao build (with pyro res)

[quasi abyss]

that’s amazing

anything with xiao is amazing to me

[wintry coyote]

Ty

[quasi abyss]

but the crit dmg

and crit rate

:D

[wintry coyote]

I want more cdmg

[quasi abyss]

try gambling at the domain

farm it until you roll a got crit dmg artifact

[wintry coyote]

Are leaks allowed here?

[quasi abyss]

idk

[wintry coyote]

I will gamble when the new xiao arti set is available

[quasi abyss]

yes

i didn’t know that was a thing

but now i do

and i support it

[wintry coyote]

It gives 66%atk

With max stacks

[quasi abyss]

Xiao deserves it

[wintry coyote]

Its not a big buff tho

Its only a 5 percent dps increase

[quasi abyss]

?

i only know big number make better

[wintry coyote]

Atk is really easy to get so atk percent isnt a big buff

[quasi abyss]

ah

[wintry coyote]

So do i but some people have calced it

[quasi abyss]

makes sense

[river ore]

@quasi abyss has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[wintry coyote]

And the domain wont be worth it to farm but i will farm it anyway

[wintry coyote]

Pog

[quasi abyss]

i still have to get zhongli a 5* goblet

ima get so much junk

[severe vine]

HI

[quasi abyss]

HELLO!

[severe vine]

is dragon bane good for yunjin or thoma?

[bleak river]

Sam is your kaeya running 4pc blizzard?

[quasi abyss]

yessir

[bleak river]

Honestly neither XD

[severe vine]

what?

oh okokokko

HAHAHHA

[bleak river]

Yunjin doesn't need em, thoma would rather have hp/doesn't do much dmg

[quasi abyss]

give thoma favonis staff thing

[severe vine]

how about black tassel?

[bleak river]

Cuz he got energy issues

More shield uptime

[quasi abyss]

yessir

i gave my thoma black tassel pnce

it worked a lot

[severe vine]

w b zhobngli in black tassel?

[quasi abyss]

zhongli is rlly good with black tassel

i have him on that now :D

[severe vine]

oh ok imma ascend it more

[quasi abyss]

it’s great

:)

[severe vine]

thanks for helping me

[quasi abyss]

np!

[grim summit]

Should I use thundering fury 2 set and noblesse oblige 2 set or emblem of severed fate 4 piece

[pastel cape]

For who?

[grim summit]

Yae

[modern raven]

Guys

I dont know why tf is happening rn

And dont have albedo

Is hoyoverse fucking trolling rn?

[fossil acorn]

help please do

help please do I keep my lvl 40 C1 thoma or my lvl 40 Xiangling. I love them both however I dont need two pryos who use a spare

[oblique pelican]

Xiangling

[gilded dock]

thoma really isn't worth it

[fossil acorn]

thanks

[rustic lily]

xiangliiiingg allll the waaaaayyy

[pine sinew]

Thoma XD

Why even building him

[round narwhal]

cause he's hot

[fossil acorn]

he is very cuye

cute

[round narwhal]

truuuuth

[hexed falcon]

Why u use atk goblet, even albedo more benefit with geo dmg bonus 😭

[modern raven]

Itto

[quasi abyss]

he’s lvl 80 with fully lvled up artifacts for me, worth it he’s hot

[pine sinew]

1shot azdaha ?

Oh ok

[modern raven]

You cant one shot az….

[autumn epoch]

I got an archaic feather w double crit and energy recharge and it rolled solely into EM 🤩

[nimble citrus]

yet

[winged pine]

So

What am I doing wrong

My Yae no cry

Crt**

She got 52 crt rate

And 212 crt dmg

Wtf else do I need😭

[fleet knot]

15% more crit rate

in exchange for 30 or less crit damage

[visual osprey]

in GO my better builds r kinda going around a 1:2:22 cr/cd/atk ratio

so a bit over 2k atk at the end

[river ore]

@visual osprey has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[urban cobalt]

is lumine a good battery for a razor comp? (electro lumine)

[fleet knot]

electro mc is just very whacky to use in general

tbh i dont know where she works well

[modern raven]

Good for kazuha

[bleak river]

Mhm or sucrose

[autumn epoch]

Man

U would be right if I already didn’t have a beefy EM feather for him

[autumn geyser]

is r5 catch better than r1 engulfing lightning?

[ocean ember]

For whom?

[autumn geyser]

raiden

my b\

[ocean ember]

Probably EL, but not sure tbh xD

[fleet knot]

el is better by 2-15% depending on your artifacts

from what ive seen

[autumn geyser]

thx thx

i was planning on investing extra wishes i had from shoguns banner into a weapon

but i wasnt 100% sure on it

[fleet knot]

2 big points to consider

• getting engulfing means you can use the catch on another unit, like xiangling

• EL will almost surely be on a banner with kokomi's donut, a literally useless weapon

[autumn geyser]

counter point for donut

i could use it

cause i use kokomi alot i abyss

[fleet knot]

that may be so, its just something to consider

kokomi donut also means not using ttods

[autumn geyser]

i dont use it anyways

so

[urban plaza]

King shit

[quasi abyss]

is it better to use Maidens beloved or the Ocean hued clam for barbara

[gilded dock]

either works tbh, though barbruh will only really max the damage on her ult normally

[modern raven]

Guys

Can i ask?

[quasi abyss]

yessir

[fleet knot]

no

https://dontasktoask.com/

[severe ivy]

hi i'm new here, i just had some questions about xiangling. i don't know much about builds as up until now i was just doing whatever so i'm trying to get better at them and was wondering why everyone likes xiangling so much. it may just be bc i have her built badly but it seems to me that yanfei is a much better pyro four star? what should i do to make my xiangling the xiangling everyone is always saying is so good?

[fleet knot]

xiangling is able to abuse pretty much every hidden mechanic in the game

resulting in her being much better than it would seem at first glance

the biggest reason for her strength is how pyro vaporize works and how her burst interacts with bennett's burst

not to mention that f2p spears are some of the strongest weapons in the game

step 1
build bennett
step 2
farm the catch, its annoying but so very worth it

[severe ivy]

see, I've heard lots about bennet but i don't have him. i know he was available in the shop a little bit ago but at the time i had just started the game and didn't have enough to get him. im f2p so im very stingy with my wishes lol.

is there a way for me to still get good use from her?

[fleet knot]

dont sweat it too hard, you'll get a bennett eventually regardless

can you send your full box?

[severe ivy]

what do you mean box?

[fleet knot]

box of characters

[severe ivy]

this? sorry i’m not very used to the terms and stuff of the game, i’ve just been winging it lol

also, i thought for a very long time that i had to level up all my characters at the same time so some are at 40 30 and 20 because of that

[steady stream]

For this game its always level up 1 or 2 before you up a ful lsquad

Then go for 2 squads

Then lastly everything else

Just make sure to not waste resources, choose what will be in your T1 and T2

Battle Pass players will have it easier but real F2P players cant afford to waste anything

[severe ivy]

yes, i learned this too late and realized i wasted lots of materials i could’ve used for mains and teams

[steady stream]

Is ok, its always better late than never

[fleet knot]

dont level up characters beyond 60/70 or 70/70 if you can help it, levels above that do almost nothing at all but get increasingly expensive

[steady stream]

I disagree

[fleet knot]

also, if you can do it later, you get a ton more (5* artifacts from bosses are guaranteed at ar55)

there is nothing to disagree with, this is a fact

[steady stream]

At the least get your dps up

[fleet knot]

eh

[steady stream]

Coz lvl 70 and 80 dps with well investment dmg wise can increase by 50%+ at the least

[fleet knot]

even then, ascensions beyond a4 have almost no value except for letting you increase talent levels twice more
but that is also very much overrated

[fleet knot]

this is sorely misguided or a lie

[steady stream]

Although i will agree 90 is not worth while until at least AR55+

[fleet knot]

artifacts and team synergy are 100's or thousands of times more effective than levels

theyre borderline useless

[steady stream]

Well if i have been testing lvl 70 and lvl 80s

I hope you do realise, the higher level your enemies are as compared to you, the less dmg you will do to them

[fleet knot]

i hope you realize that this effect plays next to no role whatsoever

lemme go get some calcs for you

simply knowing that a system exists doesnt mean you understand its implications, it seems

top is 90 vs 90
bottom is 80 vs 90

that is a < 5% difference

[steady stream]

Where is the damage reduction?

[fleet knot]

?

its included in the calculation

[steady stream]

Link it

[fleet knot]

https://library.keqingmains.com/combat-mechanics/damage/damage-formula

the multipliers are near identical

[steady stream]

Do 70to 80

[fleet knot]

80 vs 90
70 vs 90
70 vs 80

for napkin math, you can honestly dismiss this entire function and replace it with 0.5 and you will be accurate enough for most comparisons

level plays a very minor role in the damage formula

and the stats gained from level up are a pittance

weapon levels >>>>>>

artifacts >>>>>>

team synergy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

levels are practically a waste of resources

[fleet knot]

the only exception is characters who scale with hp, def, or level for transformative reactions like swirl

but these are the exception, not the rule

[steady stream]

And then u forget about elemental resistance

[fleet knot]

elemental resistance has absolutely nothing to do with level

enemy elem res does not scale with level whatsoever

i am not forgetting anything

i am telling you a fact

[steady stream]

Sure

If thats the case

[fleet knot]

this is using a build engine which i have personally verified in game to be accurate within 0.1%

[steady stream]

9 stars abyss floor 12 and post it

With lvl 70 characters

[fleet knot]

dude, ive 36*'d every abyss since 1.2

oh, with level 70s?
i can do you one better, i can show you clears where people use only 4* characters, 4* weapons, and 4* artifacts

to 36* abyss

because they literally decided to not do the world ascension quest beyond ar35

they couldnt get 5* artifacts even if they wanted to

[steady stream]

Dont need lol, i want you to do it

Since you are the one who claimed thats the case

[fleet knot]

i'm ar59

well beyond what i recommended of ar55

if i could level them down, i would

[fleet knot]

i can show you my box though, where i have literally only 90'd these such characters + 2 characters that i crowned for the heck of it (the only 2 crowns i have used, and likely the only 2 i will use for quite some time, because talent levels are overrated)

along with some mistakes

not leveling your units up early on is a mistake i had to make first hand

because my account is STILL not recovered from all the wasted resin

i STILL dont have a single good wt or glad set

so i make this recommendation knowing full well not only how useless levels are

but how bad the early grinding is

so tell me more about how im forgetting

[severe ivy]

ok wait sorry, so i should prioritize builds after leveling my characters up to lvl 70?

[fleet knot]

TL:DR
levels above 60/70 are not important
a general rule of thumb that i like to give as advice is as follows
char to 60/70 > weapons as high as possible > important talents to 6 > artifacts (not until ar 40, 45 preferred) >>>>>> extra character levels and extra talent levels

[severe ivy]

bc builds do more in the long run then level?

i see, ok

[fleet knot]

some people like to recommend getting your 1-2 main dps units to 80/80 and 8'ing their important talents, thats fine ig
but supports really dont need much investment at all beyond set bonuses and talent level 6 until you've got not much else to do

[severe ivy]

i need to do better with weapons as well as i have never wished on a weapon banner and only have i think two five stars lol

[fleet knot]

genshin and its gacha is very slow paced, its much better to save and get more meaningful characters / weapons than to summon now just because you can

im still using characters i got over a year ago

[severe ivy]

why specifically level 6?

[fleet knot]

because at ascension 4, thats as high as they go
its also as high as you can level them without using weekly boss materials, which are especially sparse early on

also be very very careful with what youtubers you decide to listen to, especially if theyre on the more casual side
their recommendations are not good (for example, tenha who frequently suggests getting characters to "at least 80/90", which is just not important to do)

[river ore]

@fleet knot has leveled up to LEVEL 25

[severe ivy]

so now i ask, is it worth it to be farming and saving for kokomi? i think i would do good with such a powerful healer but i’m not sure if i should get a more powerful electro char.?

[bleak river]

Get her if you want to

[severe ivy]

i very rarely watch any genshin content but i’ll make sure to be weary of that!

[fleet knot]

this is a very important question that you must ask yourself, but it comes down to what kind of playstyle you value
in genshin, defense is comfortable to use, but is genuinely not necessary at all

[severe ivy]

this is the other thing, i also just really want her

[fleet knot]

for the overworld and domain content, you can always use food to heal your characters, and in abyss, where content is on a very tight clock, its universally more recommended to get better at mechanics and dodging than it is to use a defensive character, unless youre already powerful enough to clear the content regardless

so if what you value is getting to and full clearing the end-game content (abyss) asap

then i cant recommend kokomi

but if you like her

and you like how she plays

she is good enough to work well

especially since youre early on, and lacking dps units, i wouldnt really consider her a high priority, as she isnt a premier support unit like venti or kazuha, and she isnt a great dps like ganyu or hopefully ayato (also coming soon)

[severe ivy]

yeah you see, i’m very bad at just playing well. for instance, i have yet to complete the quest where i have to go against raiden bc i keep on dying regardless of my multiple attempts to dodge and stuff i’m just bad at it

[fleet knot]

i would argue that kokomi is the best defensive unit in the game

[bleak river]

The anti raiden training?

[severe ivy]

let me go check the name

[fleet knot]

is it the yae totem thing

[severe ivy]

the amidst stormy judgement one

where raiden has thomas vision

[bleak river]

Oh that

Just survive basically

[severe ivy]

it’s very early on i’m very behind

yeah i survive until i try to get one hit in and then end up getting hit myself

[fleet knot]

whats your AR again?

[severe ivy]

48

[fleet knot]

i think you should dedicate all your resin into the emblem of severed fate (sf) domain

[oblique pelican]

I prefer 80/90 for that extra ascention bonus*

[fleet knot]

that is a very late game mentality

you get like 1.5 substats from it

and it takes 10-15 boss kills

that is horrible resin value

[oblique pelican]

Still, that's a guaranteed upgrade

[fleet knot]

right, hence why that is a late game mentality

it is much cheaper and faster to get much bigger upgrades earlier on by just farming artifacts

[fleet knot]

but yeah, artifacts
you get 180 resin per day, so if youre not spending it on a weekly boss (which you should also probably do), you can do 9 artifacts runs

if the domain is too hard, you can always do coop aswell

[severe ivy]

yes i always do coop unless i’m getting materials for weapons ascension and stuff

[river ore]

@severe ivy has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[severe ivy]

it’s just that i struggle to figure out what domains i should do and what characters i should focus on

[fleet knot]

yeah, the sf domain is going to be your best option for xingqiu and xiangling and beidou

all of which are amazingly powerful 4* characters, some of the strongest / most useful characters in the game outright

[quasi abyss]

would xingqiu get a 2 set or 4 set?

[fleet knot]

in a perfect world, xingqiu wants 4sf

however, making a full 4set can be difficult
in such cases, xingqiu can be very happy with any 2 of the following set bonuses: sr, glad, nob, HoD

personally, mine is using 2sr 2glad, though i'd rather be using HoD if I could, because more hydro damage bonus = more damage reduction

but it ends up being less damage, so its not what i use

[quasi abyss]

ooo

my xingqiu has 2 sf rn

i wanna get him to a 4 set

a lot

:D

[fleet knot]

yeah, grinding the sf domain is a great way to spend resin
so many units want sf specifically, and sr is a great 2p set bonus for practically any character

the 4p, not so much

it has debatably huge usability issues, but some units can use it

the 2p is great though

[quasi abyss]

nob and sf seem to work for good amount of characters

[fleet knot]

nob is good for support units who dont do a ton of damage
a support bennett, diona, a cheap mona, etc

sf is like noblesse but instead of supporting others, it cranks up their damage to 11

[quasi abyss]

oooooo

[fleet knot]

nob = 20% damage bonus
sf = 40-50% damage bonus

[quasi abyss]

i’m giving bennet nob so he can heal as well

[fleet knot]

yeah, my bennett is using nob

[quasi abyss]

he and my thoma could somehow work together

somehow

[fleet knot]

thoma

[quasi abyss]

i live thoma

love

[fleet knot]

i just wish he was better, they coulda done so much more

[quasi abyss]

he’s c1 for me i think

they could’ve

i replaced him the second i got zhongli

thomas not that gooos tbh

but his overload dmg could hit up to 6k

:)

[oblique pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/lumine-genshin-impact-lick-gif-22413449

[quasi abyss]

which non banner 5* is like rlly good?

like jean, diluc, mona, qiqi

those lot

i have c1 jean

and i want diluc a lot

is he good?

[severe ivy]

idk very much so idk if i’ll be of help but from what i’ve heard, keqing is the best standard 5*

[quasi abyss]

i’ll add her to the manifestign list

“i will get diluc OR keqing”

[fleet knot]

ironically, as the only 2 dps units of the original 5, theyre also now the worst of the original 5
the other 3 are supports and can be used in many teams

but diluc and keqing can only be used in diluc and keqing focused teams, which just wont compare to something like ganyu itto raiden eula etc

(for abyss stuff)

honestly diluc is one of the best units for overworld stuff, but that is also the easiest stuff available so its generally considered less important

jean and mona are the 2 best of the standard banner 5*

[quasi abyss]

oooo

my jean rn is

she’s not doing to hot

[grim summit]

Is this a good artifact for yae?

[tough rock]

for now

[steady stream]

I take back what i said earlier. You are right about that lvl 70 being enough to clear floor 12 with sufficient skill level and understanding of the game. That lvl 80 is a minor as compared to a correct team comp

[river ore]

@steady stream has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[steady stream]

But i still hold to lvling up to 80 simply because most of us players are casuals. The right team comp comes first but we will still need the extra power when it comes to clearing the same content simply because unlike you who played for a long time and have a thorough understanding on how to pull it off, most of us aren't.

And i agree with what you said those talents and levels are overrated and cost a lot to upgrade past a certain level.

But at least pls consider that a significant portion of the player base don't have a good device to pull the perfect dps uptime to begin with

[frigid shadow]

@river ore build ho tau

[pine sinew]

[fleet knot]

The thing about clearing content is, if you can't do it at level 70, you won't be able to do it at level 80
The power difference is far too small, so unless you're withing 1 second of the desired clear time, it won't matter

Good artifacts can and will shorten the clear time much more

And good rotations can more than double someone's clear speed

For example, when the current abyss rotation came out, it took me 65 seconds to clear 12-3-1

But after doing it a few times, with the exact same team, I got that down to 35 seconds

No difference in power, the only thing that changed was how I was playing a relatively simple chamber

[grand kestrel]

Qiqi is great as a healer, just a healer, and nothing but a healer. She also applies cryo at a mediocre rate.

she does exactly what she was designed to do.

she also has a sword. Which is relatively pointless. Except as a way to heal your teammates without switching to them.

[fleet knot]

the message they were replying to was not important for this context, that was just to ping me

[grand kestrel]

they ping therefor they annoy. XD

[fleet knot]

i dont find pings annoying

[grand kestrel]

noone said they annoyed you. XD

I could also phrase it 'they breathe, therefor they annoy' which is equally accurate.

[fleet knot]

o

[fleet knot]

2k attack, very high cr, good ratio, solid EM

only thing is the set bonus

2cw 2wt would be preferred i think, or keep grinding cw for the 4p

[latent crypt]

I did previously have 4 piece cw but I changed it to 2 piece cw and 2 piece glad because my crit rate was struggling

[gilded dock]

the easiest switch would be the CD circlet for a WT circlet

but you'd still want at least 2 CR rolls at minimum

[quasi abyss]

WT?

[gilded dock]

wanderer's troupe

[quasi abyss]

oh

[wise oak]

legit forgot klee existed

[quasi abyss]

is he girlbossing enough

[fleet knot]

ye thats fine

[quasi abyss]

YAY :D

[visual osprey]

i ran max hp build zhongli for a long time

but recently switched out tassle for fav and its so much more useful

[grim summit]

Does crit dmg scale off attack

[fleet knot]

the stat? no

crit damage only increases as you get more crit damage

however, the damage that you deal on a crit hit does scale off atk most of the time

unless its someone like albedo

[grim summit]

Ok thx

[modern raven]

He scales off atk too wdym

[fleet knot]

is there anyone who's skill and burst dont dont scale with atk at all?

[modern raven]

Great question

No

All the bursts scale with atk as far as I know

[silent tulip]

bruh

[modern raven]

What? He does

[silent tulip]

Who in their right mind would build Albedo with attack

Literally before C2 most of his damage comes from def

After c2 nearly all of his damage comes from def

[fleet knot]

youre talking to one

mist splitter albedo

[silent tulip]

You probably build hu tao with atk

[fleet knot]

not me

[modern raven]

Bave you talked to me

At all

Like at all with my Albedo build

[silent tulip]

actually no

[fleet knot]

i dont have mist splitter, nor would i ever summon for mid tao

[modern raven]

[silent tulip]

I mean i can see you've invested quite a bit in him

[modern raven]

That buikd is old tho

Yes. Im the mf that build ALBEDO with atk

[jaunty lagoon]

so... Shenhe should've have ATK%/ATK%/ATK% with much crit rate and ER% in subs or... something like that?

[fleet knot]

dont worry about crit rate

just max attack and get enough ER

if you can get a few crit stats along the way, sure

[jaunty lagoon]

OK, mate

thank you

[grand kestrel]

aright, given the choice between ascending Xingqui, Childe, or Barbara, or waiting to see if I'm even going to bother with Ayato...

[wise oak]

childe>xinqiu>barbara

imo

[grand kestrel]

Childe's kit is not at all intuitive, sometimes he seems completely valueless, and then out of nowhere he'll just erase an enemy with no explanation.

[fleet knot]

childe is one of the hardest units to use, but if you can use him

he competes with or beats the best

[round narwhal]

love childe lovelove love him

[half oasis]

What kinda crit ratio should I aim for a decent burst Zhongli?

I have 1:3 right now

[fleet knot]

1:2 is always going to be the best for average damage

assuming equal cv

for example
60:120 > 50:140

you can always double check this by just multiplying them

[half oasis]

Okay, thank you!

[modern raven]

Can anyone help me build 2 teams for Abyss 🤔?

[tough rock]

yoimiya, xingqiu, fischl(?) ,bennett

[modern raven]

I think replace fischl with venti is better

[tough rock]

oyeah CC

sorry"

[fleet knot]

its tough, you dont really have the units to make 2 typical meta teams

maybe yoimiya yae xingqiu sucrose first half
and xiao jean + double geo second half

that could work for chambers 1 and 2, but you'd have to start over for chamber 3

[half oasis]

I finally got my first big number in Abyss

91250 Zhongli ULT

[visual osprey]

well i see sucros taser

other side could b xiao team ya

o yoimiya built, thats probably better choice on the side with more single target

xiao can compete if u do the jet combo

[fleet knot]

sucrose taser for the current abyss specifically is a bit off

everything except 12-2-2 and 12-3-1 is practically single target

and those arent on the same half

[modern raven]

Guys is this ok??

[gilded dock]

Maybe replace the geo goblet for an hp goblet

[modern raven]

I want him to be a nuke

[ebon otter]

his burst still scales off hp, not sure how much of a difference it makes tho

[modern raven]

Hmm ok i will try

[modern raven]

you could give him more hp, so he could be a great shield plus so he could also get the bonus burst damage based on 33% of max HP.
he has too much defense, check if one of your pieces has a DEF mainstat and swap it out for an ATK% one or an HP% one

[modern raven]

I give him hp,geo dmg and crit rate

[nocturne stone]

Is the new catalyst a good on for yae?

Is er for some use to her?

[urban plaza]

ER is of plenty use to her

In a certain scenario, Yae + Catalyst + Battery (Fischl) ensures great burst time

However, Widsith (I think at higher refinements) will out-damage the new weapon

[nocturne stone]

My Fischl is trash, I wanna run Ei with her

[urban plaza]

Yep that works well too

However, considering Ei is a veryyy good battery, You might not need the additional ER from the weapon

Also, Yae would also benefit Ei thanks to the 90 burst cost

[nocturne stone]

Yeah right so I'll settle with the Widsith for now

Great chatter👌✨

[urban plaza]

🌸

Also, a question
What sands will you use on Yae

[nocturne stone]

Hmmm

I mean getting good artefacts is already a hell worse than gatcha

I still not sure on building the artifact sets too, i liked the 2pc thundering 2pc Shimenawa from the test run but i see more builds with 4pc emblem or 2pc thundering 2pc nobless or 4 pc thundering

[urban plaza]

The sand piece

What main stat

[nocturne stone]

EM or atk%

[humble pecan]

Atk% is better

Yae benefits much more from an atk% sands than from the em even with her a4 passive

[nocturne stone]

mmm alright

[quasi abyss]

what does artifact fodder mean?

[river ore]

@quasi abyss has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[bleak river]

Just artifacts you don't want and you sacrifice them to artifacts you wanna level

[quasi abyss]

so like 5* and stuff?

[grand kestrel]

literally any artifact, but 5* is usually what they are referring to because most don't keep anything below that anyway.

[fleet knot]

hp <<< geo damage

damage bonus for most characters is by far the hardest damage-related stat to get

[ebon otter]

👍

[urban cobalt]

what main stats does razor want for his sands, goblet, and circlet?

[river ore]

Razor

DPS 👍

Regarding Weapon Choices:
Wolf's Gravestone: Wolf's Gravestone (inactive) outperforms Skyward Pride in every scenario except crowd battles.
**Redhorn Stonethresher: **Depending on the amount of ATK% buffs you're getting, this weapon can overtake Wolf's Gravestone in personal damage.
The Unforged: The playstyle with this weapon becomes a lot more comfortable without having to worry about snapshotting Wolf's Gravestone / Song of Broken Pines buffs for Sub DPSes, while also granting more Shield Bonus for better Shield uptime. A shielder is required for this, with Zhongli being the most ideal option.
Serpent Spine: At **[C6] **and high refinement Serpent Spine, it is better to run an ATK% Goblet over Physical Damage% with Serpent Spine. This is due to the oversaturation of damage bonuses (ascension stat + Serpent Spine) in addition to the fact that Electro accounts for a significant portion of Razor's damage. An in-depth explanation can be found https://tinyurl.com/razoratk. It is also worth noting that an [R5] Serpent Spine with max stacks can outperform all 5✩ weapons at [R1].
Skyward Pride: Skyward Pride is viable with a Physical DMG goblet, as the damage dealt through its passive scales with Physical%.

Regarding Artifact Sets:
Pale Flame (2) Bloodstained Chivalry (2): This set is better if your ATK% is covered by your substats, otherwise you would be better off running Gladiator's Finale (4). This is only recommended to those who have no immediate access to a decent Pale Flame (4) set, otherwise you would be better off investing on Pale Flame pieces, regardless of weapon choice.

MAIN STATS

Sands: ATK%
Goblet: Physical DMG
Circlet: Crit Rate / DMG

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. ATK%
3. Energy Recharge
4. Elemental Mastery
5. Flat ATK

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Normal Attack
2. Burst
3. Skill

WEAPON

1. Wolf's Gravestone (5★)
2. Song of Broken Pines (5★)
3. Redhorn Stonethresher (5★)
4. The Unforged (5★)
5. Serpent Spine (4★)
6. Skyward Pride (5★)
7. Lithic Blade (4★)
8. Prototype Archaic (4★)

ARTIFACT

1. Pale Flame (4)
2. Choose 2: Pale Flame (2) / Bloodstained Chivalry (2) / Gladiator's Finale (2)
3. Choose 2: Bloodstained Chivalry (2) / Pale Flame (2) / +18% ATK Set (2)

ABILITY TIP

Razor's EB grants you an Electro Status when you basic attack while burst is in-effect, that means it can be used for status-cleansing (no particular effective element). Can only be done on himself.

[round narwhal]

@urban cobalt

[urban cobalt]

thanks

[round narwhal]

💪

[river ore]

Chongyun

BURST SUPPORT 👍

**
**Chongyun is much preferred as a Sub DPS/ Nuke over Main DPS as his Normal Attack scalings are very low, even when including Constellation 1. His **Elemental Burst on the other hand hits extremely hard **on later constellations and takes a much higher total damage portion over his Normal Attack. On top of that, you can Reverse Melt all 3 hits of his Elemental Burst on enemies applied with strong Pyro, such as Bennett's Elemental Skill and Elemental Burst.

Chongyun is very niche as he only performs well in certain teams and can completely destroy the other. He is mainly used on a team as an enabler, be it for Reverse Melt teams (e.g. Melt DPS Bennett) or Freeze teams (e.g. Freeze DPS Kaeya). He also does not function well with Physical teams (e.g. Razor, Eula) as it renders his Elemental Skill useless because it converts their Normal Attack damage from Physical to Cryo. They're usually using a Physical Goblet, so if they got their Normal Attack converted from Physical to Cryo, they won't benefit from Physical DMG Bonus from the goblet, thus it's a DPS loss.
**
At [C2]**, his Elemental Skill reduces ability cooldown that is casted within the zone by 15%. This is one of the few abilities in the game that can reduce cooldown.

Regarding Weapon Choices:
Serpent Spine: This weapon outperforms Wolf's Gravestone if we only look at Chongyun's damage contribution [5 Stack Assumed]. Wolf's Gravestone is ranked higher as it provides more teamwide DPS and does not come with the need to acquire stacks before engaging in combat.
Redstone Thresher: Depending on the amount of ATK% buffs you're getting, this weapon can overtake Wolf's Gravestone in personal damage.
Akuoumaru: At [R1], Akuoumaru beats Luxurious Sea-Lord if Chongyun is used in a team with 260 or greater total team energy. Akuoumaru only beats Luxurious Sea-Lord if [R2] and above otherwise.
**Sacrificial Greatsword: This weapon is your best choice if faced in a situation where you heavily rely on Chongyun's Cryo infusion uptime.
**
Regarding Artifact Sets:
Noblesse Oblige (4): Chongyun is one of the best Noblesse holders since he has low energy requirements for his Elemental Burst.

**Regarding Talent Priority:
**Prioritize Elemental Burst on a Melt team as it scales better than his Elemental Skill.
Prioritize Elemental Skill on a Freeze team to furthermore extend the duration of the Cryo infusion.

MAIN STATS

Sands: ATK% / Energy Recharge / Elemental Mastery
Goblet: Cryo DMG
Circlet: Crit Rate / DMG

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. ATK%
3. Elemental Mastery
4. Energy Recharge
5. Flat ATK

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Burst = Skill

WEAPON

1. Wolf's Gravestone (5★)
2. Serpent Spine (4★)
3. Redhorn Stonethresher (5★)
4. The Unforged (5★)
5. Skyward Pride (5★)
6. Akuoumaru (4★)
7. Luxurious Sea-Lord [R5] (4★)
8. Lithic Blade (4★)
9. Sacrificial Greatsword (4★)
10. Blackcliff Slasher (4★)
11. Prototype Archaic (4★)
12. Favonius Greatsword (4★)

ARTIFACT

1. Noblesse Oblige (2) Blizzard Strayer (2)
2. Emblem of Severed Fate (4)
3. Choose 2: Noblesse Oblige (2) / Blizzard Strayer (2) / Wanderer's Troupe (2) / +18% ATK Set (2) / Emblem of Severed Fate (2)
4. Noblesse Oblige (4)

ABILITY TIP

Chongyun's Elemental Burst is calculated as Claymore damage, which means it breaks Geo Structures/ Shields at a much easier rate and can proc shatter.

Beidou

OFF-FIELD DPS 👍

Regarding Weapon Choices:
**Serpent Spine: This weapon can be considered over Wolf's Gravestone for a Sub DPS Beidou, while Wolf's Gravestone is equipped onto another Claymore DPS character with higher field time. Beidou can effectively make use of the full stacks, as long as you have her stacks up before swapped **away, the stacks will be maintained even while off-field since her Elemental Burst snapshots her stats. **Serpent Spine outperforms Wolf's Gravestone by a significant margin when Bennett/Sara ATK buffs are applied.
Redhorn Stonethresher: Depending on the amount of ATK% buffs you're getting, this weapon can overtake Wolf's Gravestone in personal damage.
Akuoumaru (260 team energy assumed): **Akuoumaru outperforms Skyward Pride on a low ER requirement Beidou (where she is paired with other Electro characters to battery her energy needs). At [R3+], it becomes exponentially better and comes very close to Serpent Spine and **Wolf's Gravestone.
**
Regarding Artifact Sets:
Emblem of Severed Fate (4): Even after considering the 4-piece set effect, you should refrain from investing into Energy Recharge beyond what is needed to burst off cooldown as it will result in a damage loss as compared to prioritising offensive stats such as ATK/Crit. In team comps where Beidou has low ER requirements (i.e. when paired with electro batteries), a Noblesse Oblige (2) / Thundering Fury (2) / +18% ATK set (2) [Choose Two] will outperform Emblem of Severed Fate (4).
Thundersoother (4): This set seeks to maximise your Burst damage in an Electro-Charged or mono Electro comps, take note that the set could be rendered useless when against enemies with non-Electro elements imbued.
**Noblesse Oblige (4): **This set could be considered if your Beidou can get her Elemental Burst off cooldown and the team doesn't have a Noblesse Oblige (4) user yet, do note that sometimes Beidou doesn't benefit from the ATK buff from the 4 piece set if she's the set holder, so Beidou as a Noblesse Oblige (4) holder isn't really recommended.
**Scholar (2) The Exile (2): **This set acts as a cheap beginner's option to provide Beidou with 40% Energy Recharge to help maintain her Elemental Burst uptime.

MAIN STATS

Sands: ATK% / Energy Recharge
Goblet: Electro DMG
Circlet: Crit Rate / DMG

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. ATK%
3. Energy Recharge
4. Flat ATK
5. Elemental Mastery

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Burst
2. Skill

WEAPON

1. Wolf's Gravestone (5★)
2. Serpent Spine (4★)
3. Redhorn Stonethresher (5★)
4. The Unforged (5★)
5. Akuoumaru (4★)
6. Skyward Pride (5★)
7. Luxurious Sea-Lord (4★)
8. Lithic Blade (4★)
9. Sacrificial Greatsword (4★)
10. Blackcliff Slasher (4★)
11. Prototype Archaic (4★)
12. Favonius Greatsword (4★)

ARTIFACT

1. Emblem of Severed Fate (4)
2. Choose 2: Noblesse Oblige (2) / Thundering Fury (2) / +18% ATK Set (2) / Emblem of Severed Fate (2)
3. Thundersoother (4)
4. Noblesse Oblige (4)

ABILITY TIP

Beidou's skill grants you an Electro status for a brief moment upon holding it. This means it can be used for status-cleansing (No particular effective element). Can only be done on herself.

[humble pecan]

Oops wrong channel sorry

[modern raven]

i know that shimenawa is best for characters who don't need their burst, but which characters are those?

[gilded dock]

Hu Tao generally uses it at the end of her rotation (and CW is a pain to farm)

physical / pyro / cryo keqing

Melt Ganyu

Yoimiya

though melt ganyu also prefers 4WT normally

[modern raven]

yeah i like using ganyu's burst when i can

[gilded dock]

depnds on amos vs hamayumi

[urban plaza]

Shime is good for Charge shot Hu Tao

[gilded dock]

melt ganyu DOES NOT use burst

[urban plaza]

It scarifies burst damage but gives better charge shot damage

Also, C1 Hu Tao would be great with shime (since then you can spam charge shots)

[modern raven]

why is burst not useful for melt ganyu?

[gilded dock]

....because you want to melt her CA???

Freeze Ganyu prioritizes Q
Melt Ganyu prioritizes CA

[fleet knot]

Melt ganyu (debatably worse than wanderers)
A hutao if you're okay with losing half your bursts (crimson witch is better)

That's p much it

Yoimiya prefers other sets*
(* Potentially outdated information)

It's a very very niche set, but it is often people's best option because grinding the domain that it's from is so good

Artifact quality > set bonus

(most of the time)

[modern raven]

would you say serenitea is useful for grinding primos?

[fleet knot]

Primos? Not really

It's worth doing until at least rank 8 though

Where you can buy transient resin

[ocean ember]

It can give a bunch of 1-time primos, and when you get sets for the characters you have you get 20 primos per set per character (each character has 2 sets associated with them)

Plus the shop, in which you can get resin, wits, mora, etc

Plus I thiiink there are some events coming that involve the teapot, if I understood the leaks correctly

[quasi abyss]

ok so, i’m doing the guide event thingy on HoYoLAB, what are y’all’s options on the other shield characters?

aka

Xinyan, Diona, Beidou, Noelle

like build wise

[river ore]

Raiden Shogun

ELECTRO DPS 👍

Raiden's Elemental Burst damage depends on her team's energy consumption prior to her Burst, and her Burst restores a comfortable amount of energy for her team (which is further amplified by her passive). This is especially convenient on teams that doesn't conflict with her element and wants the energy provision. (IE Eula, Electro, National teams, etc.). Raiden has no issues with firing her ult off cooldown after reaching about 200% Energy Recharge, but it is possible to raise it higher for better energy restoration for her team.

Regarding Weapon Choices: This list assumes that Raiden is not ran with an external buffer.
Wavebreaker's Fin: [R5] Wavebreaker's Fin is relatively equal Staff of Homa, depending on your total team burst cost.

**Regarding Artifact Sets:
Tenacity of the Millelith (4): This set acts as a low investment support oriented set. Raiden is an excellent ToTM holder since her Elemental Skill has 100% uptime and procs very easily. Do note that if your Raiden is equipping this set, then she will sacrifice her personal damage.

Regarding Main Stats: Raiden's main stat priority for Sands and Goblet entirely depends on the substats, whether she has external buffs, and which weapon she is running. **You can find a more detailed list of suggestions from ZΛNTO#4984's mastersheet https://bit.ly/3reAZnq or run it on a calculator/optimizer.

MAIN STATS

Sands: Energy Recharge / ATK%
Goblet: Electro DMG / ATK%
Circlet: Crit Rate / DMG

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. ATK%
3. Energy Recharge
4. Flat ATK
5. Elemental Mastery

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Burst
2. Skill

WEAPON

1. Engulfing Lightning (5★)
2. Staff of Homa (5★)
3. Primordial Jade Winged-Spear (5★)
4. Vortex Vanquisher (5★)
5. "The Catch" [R5] (4★)
6. Skyward Spine (5★)
7. Lithic Spear [S2] (4★)
8. Deathmatch (4★)
9. Wavebreaker's Fin (4★)
10. Favonius Lance (4★)
11. Prototype Starglitter (4★)
12. Blackcliff Pole (4★)
13. White Tassel (3★)

ARTIFACT

1. Emblem of Severed Fate (4)
2. Choose 2: Noblesse Oblige (2) / Thundering Fury (2) / +18% ATK Set (2) / Emblem of Severed Fate (2)
3. Tenacity of the Millelith (4)

ABILITY TIP

Start your rotation with Raiden's Elemental Skill to amplify your party member's Elemental Burst damage.

Burst combo :

• Skill > Burst > 4NA + CA (2 times) > 2NA + CA (Recommended)
• Skill > Burst > 3NA + CA (3 times) > 1NA + CA (Optimal)

*NA = Normal Attack, CA = Charged Attack

The recommended combo provides more room for error and offers slightly better AoE while the optimal combo provides slightly higher damage

[fleet loom]

opinions on my childe build?

still trying to find him a better circlet

also leveling up his bow to lvl 90 soon after i get another 2 of those fatui drops

[gritty tusk]

https://youtu.be/Q28wyUE4qX8

[oblique pelican]

Can he crit?

[fleet loom]

yes he does crit

first time i tested him he did 72k on a cicin mage

few days ago he did 42k

non crit he does like maybe

10-14k

[modern raven]

do you consider raiden or yae to be better?

[round narwhal]

Raiden 100%

[modern raven]

i'd say so too

[fleet knot]

Not only is Raiden better

Raiden's constellations are more worth than getting new characters

[modern raven]

what reactions are there no teams for, other than forward melt/vape?

i can imagine that there aren't any overloaded teams

or burning since dendro characters don't exist yet

[gilded dock]

wtf is forward melt/vape?

and OL exists

[modern raven]

as in cryo first, pyro second

and for vape, pyro first, hydro second

and about overloaded. it knocks away enemies so it wastes dps, plus the damage ceiling isn't that high

[gilded dock]

.... forward melt was my bennett comp but his artis are dogshit so he can't keep up as the main DPS anymore

OL isn't there for the damage, but for the stagger vs bosses

[modern raven]

oh

[gilded dock]

some currently replace XQ with kazuha in national vs the bosses in abyss

might change next abyss

[modern raven]

i know that national means xiangling, xingqiu, chongyun and bennett, but how does it actually play out?

[gilded dock]

that's the OG one

[modern raven]

i know

[gilded dock]

I was referring to the raiden one

[modern raven]

but how does it play out?

the og one that is

[gilded dock]

that wasn't the team my bennett DPS ran btw

but basically it froze mobs with the normals of bennett + XQ under chongyun E, then melt the burst of xiangling

though people then figured out VV is busted and slotted sucrose in

then childe

then eventually raiden

[fleet knot]

Shatter teams aren't really a thing

Forward vap doesn't exist as the core of a team, but childe teams do forward vap his burst

Also forward melting sorta exists in freeze melt comps

Freeze melt is also the idea behind the OG national team
Since, in a reverse vap team, the enemy is always hydro applied, even a low cryo application skill or burst (like kaeya) can occasionally freeze the enemy, allowing for occasional melts on frozen targets

Cryo > hydro > pyro, letting you actually melt them sometimes

[modern raven]

which characters would physical keqing need to be paired with other than a superconduct enabler like diona?

[vale hamlet]

kaeya with high er

[modern raven]

also would you recommend physical or electro keqing more?

[vale hamlet]

I heard that Physical deals more damage but electro is more fun to play

[ocean ember]

Not sure about physical doing more damage, as physical forgoes her burst

I'd personally recommend electro Keqing, but I guess I'm biased lmao

[modern raven]

are there any characters who can use oathsworn eye well?

[humble pecan]

I dont have kokomi so I cant test it myself l, but I heard it works decently with her

I dont think oathsworn eye is really anyone's best weapon tho

[modern raven]

for ganyu, i know that hamayumi will not work well with 4pc shimenawa. I don't have any five-star bows, so which should i go with: 4pc wanderer's + hamayumi or 4pc shimenawa + prototype?

[long scaffold]

Let's say we use: cocogoat, kazuha, bouken da bouken and xiangling. With bouken 13lvl ult royal set, 674 atk and also kazuha 800 em with freedom-sworn. Prototype p3 > Hamayumi p3 by about 1.1% to 1.2%, but this is assuming MEGABOOOOOBS (no, its not shenhe) will not use ult. When using ult the value of Hamayumi drops by about 8.6%.
If we consider under the same conditions as above p5 Prototype and p5 Hamayumi, Hamayumi's strength will catch up to Prototype by about 0.1% (Hamayumi ~ (-1.3%) of Prototype). Assuming cocogoat uses ult, Hamayumi will be ~11% behind Prototype. The calculations aren't perfectly accurate, it's a quick calc, but they're correct.
||I hope my English is not too bad and u can answer ur own question based on the obtained data.||

[fleet knot]

Electro can be better as you get more supports

But when you have nothing, physical is better I think?

[long scaffold]

omg "Hamayumi's strength will catch up to Prototype by about 0.1%" - wtf?

Hamayumi's strength will decrease compared to the Prototype by about 0.1% (Hamayumi ~ (-1.3%) of Prototype)

[crystal barn]

is a really garbage elem dmg bonus artefact recommended over a decent-ish atk% one?

[long scaffold]

Depends on what character and under what conditions, what stats the character has at the moment, who plays with him in the team, etc.

[crystal barn]

in this case it would be ganyu for the characters

as for stats, which one would be important for the decision?

[long scaffold]

Ganyu vitally needs a goblet on Cryo dmg, even if the sub stats of the goblet on ATK is much better than on cryo

[crystal barn]

i see, ill use that then

cheers

the substats are such a meme lmfao

[long scaffold]

better 2 atk subs, than 2 def XD

[crystal barn]

thats true lmfao

[fleet knot]

Usually yes

4* artifacts are not worth the effort 99% or the time

[crystal barn]

havent gotten a 5* cryo dmg bonus yet

[long scaffold]

Regarding this question. In subs u have to rely on Crit dmg/rate, em (only for melt ganyu), atk% and er/flat atk (flat atk > er for melt ganyu, but er > flat atk for freez). This is just to compare the two cryo goblets, the goblet on atk won't be any better

[crystal barn]

i see, thank you for explaining

[modern raven]

diona + sacrificial or favonius?

[fleet knot]

sac for cryo carries (ayaka, eula, ganyu)
fav for general use case

[autumn geyser]

hey broskis

who is bolide for?

[gilded dock]

aesthetic-wise, yoimiya
but you need zhongli for that

[autumn geyser]

but is it anyones like

bis

or nah

[gilded dock]

with zhongli, yoi can make good use out of it
the question is if you run zhongli with her

other than that, not really

[autumn geyser]

oh thanks

[gilded dock]

eh, hu tao and ning can use it as well apparently, but those have better options

and 2CW 2WT is easier than 4 bolide

[modern raven]

i'm still wondering: should i give ganyu hamayumi + 4 wanderer's or prototype + 4 shimenawa?

[gilded dock]

for melt ganyu, you typically want some 200EM from subs. WT helps with that

[modern raven]

i know that hamayumi does not work with shimenawa

[gilded dock]

didn't even say that

[modern raven]

i know

but that's the reason i was wondering

because people keep saying how hamayumi and prototype are some of the best weapons for ganyu, but i'm debating over which is better

[gilded dock]

Disclaimer: I don't own Ganyu:
R5 Crescent can sometimes beat skyward harp, but that depends on weakspots / headshots
Hamayumi can generally be better though, especially if you use bennett with xiangling

though shimenawa offers more DMG in theory, if you melt frequently and need the 80 EM, you can actually get ahead of shimenawa.

basically, which of the two arti sets you choose comes down to how well the two sets compare in subs and potential off-pieces. and the weapon is based on that + whether or not you can headshot in abyss

basically, just pick what has the better subs

[modern raven]

i think i will go with hamayumi + wanderer's then

[gilded dock]

guess you are using bennett, then

[modern raven]

yup

[gilded dock]

so ganyu xiangling bennett zhongli?

[modern raven]

yes but diona instead of zhongli

[gilded dock]

and yeah, WT is just so much easier to farm

just throw trash in the strongbox

though, I'd prob wait on that since you can fodder artis in 3.0 to get a dendro cup as a possible chance

also, who knows if 3.0 adds more strongboxes like 2.0 did

[modern raven]

3.0 will add sumeru i presume?

[bleak river]

Mhmm if they continue the new first number for a new nation like they did for inazuma

[gilded dock]

they will

but yeah

the biggest question is how many strongboxes they will add, if any

and either way, you will need to strongbox at least 300 artis for a dendro cup, just because the odds are that low. prob won't even get one if you fodder 1500 on day 1

just need lots of rng

[bleak river]

And which sets they add if so

[ebon otter]

i highly doubt but i hope for like hod/bs

its the way i can use 5 condensed and not get a single artifact worth rolling

[modern raven]

Updated Itto. I finally got the 4 pc but at the cost of fuckawful artifacts

No im not showing substats

[urban plaza]

Looks decent to me

[modern raven]

Its not 💔

I don’t have a single artifact on him over 20% CD

[urban plaza]

Issok

He is still great for 98% of the game content aka overworld

idk abyss

[gilded dock]

Had i known it removed the aurora, wouldn't have unlocked the domain

[round narwhal]

😭

[modern raven]

Oh boy let me tell you about this Itto

[gilded dock]

@urban plaza this abyss isn't too kind, but next abyss seems favorable

[ebon otter]

i didnt even know.. someone just joined me and went yeah lets do this

[modern raven]

I am literally only building him because he was expensive

[ebon otter]

https://tenor.com/view/mae-do-marco-mãe-do-marco-gif-20779134

[modern raven]

It was $200 for a single copy then I got c1 somehow

[maiden elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q47MXqBHQrU

[modern raven]

<@&874036938351448094>

[round narwhal]

i spent around 140~ish wishes on him, that i saved since kazuhas banner (used some for albedo butttt disregard that) only to never use him or even attempt to get artis for him 💀

[ebon otter]

me when c1 qiqi

[round narwhal]

hes just nice to look at sometimes 🥺

[urban plaza]

As long as it isn't like your Albedo stories. Go on Xd

[urban plaza]

Yee I heard
Anemo favouring too

[modern raven]

Yeag 💔💔💔

[ebon otter]

also the fact that i did not get a single gorou while eishing for itto but got a qiqi

[modern raven]

Oh no nothing like that. He had a very strong grip on me so I pulled

[round narwhal]

ohp 💀

[modern raven]

Only to neglect him

And now im finally getting around to it

[ebon otter]

i did that with childe for a while too

[modern raven]

I want his build finalized before I actually go through hell leveling him up

Talents are last

[round narwhal]

i be hyping myself up for these new characters even tho ik deep down im never really gonna stray from the team i have built rn 🗿

[gilded dock]

4 barbruhs and only one gorou
Too bad that boi sucks in more than one way

[round narwhal]

childe 💛💛💛

[modern raven]

Me wanting Zhongli for my mono geo team then keeping him at lv 40 💀

[round narwhal]

LMFAO

[ebon otter]

HWTA DOES THAT MEAN😭

[urban plaza]

UwU makes sense
I was tempted too ngl
But Xiao was literally next banner, so

[round narwhal]

i would take him from u rin

[modern raven]

I got Xiao too 😭😭

[round narwhal]

i would steal him from u So Fast

[modern raven]

NO IM GONNA BUIKD HIM EVENTUALLY

is the only reason to make a mono geo team is if you have gorou in there

[modern raven]

Itto

[round narwhal]

🥺

[modern raven]

what can itto do with other geos?

[urban plaza]

Stealing your account

[modern raven]

[modern raven]

Pop off 😩

[urban plaza]

depends I guess

Gorou would provide buffs to Ning main yoo

[modern raven]

Itto and Albedo go crazy because Itto can just keep triggering the 3 secs in his field like mwah

[urban plaza]

But he would best benefit Itto and Noelle

[gilded dock]

Let's just say Ushi is how Zhongli's meteor should have been

[modern raven]

Geo damage go brrrr

[ebon otter]

holy cow

[round narwhal]

cow 🐮

[modern raven]

I THINK USHI SCALES HIGHER THAN ZHONGLI WAIT I SAVED SCREENSHOTS

[round narwhal]

ushi my beloved

[urban plaza]

Twerking bull

[modern raven]

No that’s eula

I cant see

[ebon otter]

😭

[modern raven]

rosaria + jade or skyward?

[ebon otter]

jade

[modern raven]

thought so

[ebon otter]

thats if youre using her for the extra crit rate

[ebon otter]

im not too sure tbh

[modern raven]

How does Ushi deal more despite being scaled less

[round narwhal]

built diff

[gilded dock]

Q scaling with def and granting itto an insane atk number

[modern raven]

Itto solos

I need sm more def on my build tho

[ebon otter]

you do

[modern raven]

He’s level 50 leave him alone

[ebon otter]

how much is enough tho

[gilded dock]

I wish i could fix the energy issue. Albedo doesn't work for wolflord and yunjin doesnt cut it

[modern raven]

3k

[ebon otter]

genuinely curious

oof

[modern raven]

LMFAOOODOFJSMX

Im just kidding

I think the average Itto def (most ideal) is like 2.7k

[gilded dock]

Might rebuild my albedo and test that next abyss, but i am worried

[ebon otter]

ahhh

[modern raven]

2.3-2.5

[ebon otter]

ningguang?

[modern raven]

Build him with atk

[gilded dock]

Fuck no

[modern raven]

Why not, I did

[urban plaza]

Besht gurl

[modern raven]

to add to a character's survivability, should i prioritize hp or def?

[modern raven]

Learn to dodge

[ebon otter]

LMFAO

[urban plaza]

UwU

[modern raven]

Invest in a healer 🥺

[ebon otter]

you shouldnt prioritise any unless the characters scale with them

[urban plaza]

Tbh I never build HP unless they scale off it

[modern raven]

^ the correct answer

[urban plaza]

UwU

[modern raven]

Hu Tao/Zhongli whateva

[urban plaza]

Kokomi

[modern raven]

I forgot she existed

[ebon otter]

[urban plaza]

i-

😭

[modern raven]

You know damn well why I said that

Her getting a rerun before Kazuha was criminal

[ebon otter]

h

[urban plaza]

You got yourself a kokomi and now have a love hate relationship with her

.<

[modern raven]

IT WAS 0 PITY

I hate her

[urban plaza]

Don't pull :>

[modern raven]

[gilded dock]

Hand her over you ungrateful fuck

[urban plaza]

Falthis and I would happily take her from you

[ebon otter]

thats your fault 😭

[urban plaza]

:>

[modern raven]

Give me your aquilla metaslave

[fleet knot]

If you're going to use freeze at any point, proto crescent is just better
If you only plan on using melt forever, they're very similar

[ebon otter]

c1 kokomi would be nice...

[gilded dock]

Lol i fucking wiuld hand my r2 over

[modern raven]

Damn ok then Kokomi is all yours

She’s even lv 50

[urban plaza]

:>

What do I get

[fleet knot]

Absolutely not under any circumstances :p

[modern raven]

A pat on the back

[urban plaza]

UwU feeling cheated but appreciated

[gilded dock]

A dumbbell on the head

[modern raven]

[gilded dock]

Memery of dust is just catching some...dust

[urban plaza]

lmao

[modern raven]

Definitely WONT be pulling this time around! 🤪

[modern raven]

Give me

[urban plaza]

Get Shogun :>

[modern raven]

Alr have her

[urban plaza]

Who is your healer?

I AM DEFN STEALING YOUR ACCOUNT

[modern raven]

Mine?

[urban plaza]

Yep

[modern raven]

Oh let me shiw you my 5 stars

[fleet knot]

Ushi doesn't scale higher, but itto gets a fuck ton of attack

[urban plaza]

Stealing djsmsjsk

[fleet knot]

So ushi ends up doing more

[gilded dock]

https://tenor.com/view/i-will-have-ushi-i-will-have-itto-i-will-have-order-itto-ushi-arataki-itto-gif-24241245

[ebon otter]

HLEP

[urban plaza]

Retired whales be like :>

[modern raven]

how did you do that

[fleet knot]

It's not in-game

[modern raven]

know that

[modern raven]

but it's just... wow

[ebon otter]

stealing that

[modern raven]

@urban plaza

[gilded dock]

Might grab itto in the rerun, not sure yet.
At least i have a finished build if nothing else comes around

[urban plaza]

I-

[ebon otter]

at least benen is levelled

[river ore]

@ebon otter has leveled up to LEVEL 22

[urban plaza]

Plis gimme your account

[modern raven]

No

[ebon otter]

lv26 jean is unfortunate

[urban plaza]

I'll build your Kokomi for you

She is worth it😭

[modern raven]

Absolutely not

Fuck kokomid

[urban plaza]

:<

[modern raven]

But if you’re gonna build her for me you’re more than welcome to get every single sango pearl 🥺

[ebon otter]

those are so easy to famr😭

[modern raven]

Prefarming for Gorou was hell enough

[urban plaza]

I'd do that ngl

[modern raven]

Alr lemmie dm you my acc info

[gilded dock]

This is an older screenshot, so ignore level 60 CQ, but you get the idea

[urban plaza]

UwU

[modern raven]

Redhorn

[ebon otter]

nice

[fleet knot]

Weapon banner gamers

[ebon otter]

MISTPSLITYTER

[modern raven]

Whales

[ebon otter]

2 OF THEM

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[gilded dock]

Wasn't even softpity

[ebon otter]

pulled for mistsplitter and got 2 skyward spines

[gilded dock]

I got redhorn at like 60-ish, just before softpity, and sac frags at like 85 or so

[fleet knot]

60ish is soft pity

unless you literally mean like, 61

[modern raven]

Bro

[gilded dock]

58-61 around that mark

Cant remember

Most weapons i get on 68 exactly

[fleet knot]

Weapon banner gamer

[ebon otter]

is the skyward pride worth levelling

[gilded dock]

Assuming i get kokomi on 50:50, i might try for EL

[fleet knot]

It's underrated

[ebon otter]

for who tho

[fleet knot]

Anyone who wants er (beidou)

Anyone who does phys

(eula, razor, xinyan)

[modern raven]

Redhorn

[fleet knot]

Or even just a decent option for main dps units like diluc

[ebon otter]

mmmm i see

i just dont like the way it looks tbh

its like a fat glowstick thats randomly sharp

[modern raven]

@ebon otter

This is an old video but my point still stands

[fleet knot]

Crit kazuha cring

[ebon otter]

KEQING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

oh wait

ahshhjjf

[modern raven]

[gilded dock]

Still of the opinion freedom-sworn was meant for jean, but mhy couldn't finish kazuhas weapon in time

[ebon otter]

my jean has 0 em

[fleet knot]

You should have done that on an event weapon with 1.5x experience to get all the extra crystals @modern raven

[modern raven]

LMFAOOO NOO WAIT LET ME TELL YOU HOW THIS VIDEO SPAWNED

So my friend Soup is a megawhale who pulls every character just to collect them. The thing that bugged me was that she had skyward on RAZOR so I told her to swap to wgs, she wouldnt, so we made a bet

If I could get a hydro damage goblet in the hod domain in 3 hours she’d feed it to a level 1 dull blade

[fleet knot]

High refine sp > wgs on razor

Straight up

[modern raven]

Her wgs is lv 90

Anyways

[fleet knot]

https://c.tenor.com/YWxBliBkVHAAAAAM/ok-and.gif

[modern raven]

So I went to farming because I despise sp with all my heart. 2 hours later and a little bit of fragile resin, guess what pops up

[gilded dock]

WGS is overrated

[fleet knot]

Damn what did sp do to you

[modern raven]

I DONT HAVE IT YET BRUH

[modern raven]

Exist tbh. Its ugly

[fleet knot]

Wgs is literally a 1.0 weapon

[modern raven]

Anyways sent her the ss and saw her in shambles

[fleet knot]

That should tell you all you need to know

[modern raven]

[gilded dock]

Ngl, when i lost to wgs on homa banner, i was this close to foddering it to CQ

[fleet knot]

It's not that bad

It's better than all the 4* claymores

[modern raven]

I need it so badly its not even funny

That and Aquilla

[fleet knot]

Unless you're running fav or sac on a support

[gilded dock]

I just hate it because every fucking simp was "c6 diluc eith r5 wgs or why even play" in 1.0

[fleet knot]

What?

Literally who

C6 diluc is a $10000 investment in 1.0

[gilded dock]

Enough to piss me off thats for sure

[modern raven]

Man I want more Diluc cons

He’s been sitting at c2 for awhile

[gilded dock]

Take mine

[ebon otter]

i sure dont♥️

[fleet knot]

Diluc and jean are the only characters worth losing the 50/50 to at this point

Keqing mega death

Qiqi cons useless