🔨・build-discussion

[modern raven]

should i burn my r4 favonius into the sac?

or should i keep it for later

[bleak river]

Keep it

[round narwhal]

what no 💀

never do that what 💀

[modern raven]

yeah i was gonna keep it

i regret having sacrificed my r3 rainslasher to blackcliff and that was dumb

[round narwhal]

ohp

well

😭

[signal tundra]

I asked which you guys are using - which you didn’t specify in your response 🧐💀

[gilded dock]

oh lol
not enough sleep I guess

anyway, EM

is trash

[signal tundra]

Try to catch those zzzs

[fleet knot]

em is definitely not trash

[modern raven]

which character would you say has the worst constellations?

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 4

[modern raven]

also, is crit rate just rare or something?

my artifacts just don't want it

[fleet knot]

crit rate and crit damage are more rare to show up, yes

but once an artifact has a crit substat, it rolls equally

[modern raven]

for some reason i can get crit dmg but little to no crit rate

[fleet knot]

and who has the worst constellations?
assuming youre talking about 5*, my first thought is childe or xiao

but at least xiao has an insanely good c6

theyre both very good units, theyre just very good at c0 and dont need constellations at all

[modern raven]

what are the most important constellations for xiangling, xingqiu and bennett?

currently xiangling is c5, xingqiu c4 and bennett c1

[fleet knot]

c4, all/none, c1

xingqiu doesnt need any constellations but theyre all quite good

[modern raven]

so i guess i have enough according to you

[opaque heron]

Also Bennett c6 is not for everyone. Highly do not recommend it, you can research why if that applies to you

[opaque heron]

^

[ocean ember]

Probably Childe, imo.

[fleet knot]

keqing and diluc also have really uninspiring constellations

kokomi's are all completely opposite to what her kit is for, so theyre quite bad

but yeah, childe's might be the worst of all the rate-up 5*

[gilded dock]

At least childe sees some play

...for now

[modern raven]

That’s why he’s f2p

[fleet knot]

childe is arguably a top 2 or 3 dps unit because of how extremely powerful riptide is

he just doesnt care for constellations

[modern raven]

The constellations don’t do much so..

Just focus on the build

my ganyu and diona are both 70/70, and are typically on the same team with ganyu as main dps and diona as support. Who should i prioritize ascending?

[fleet knot]

definitely ganyu, but i would also recommend holding back on ascending units for as long as humanly possible

until ar55 if you can muster the patience

[gilded dock]

You should def keep an eye out for ayato @modern raven

[fleet knot]

the longer you wait, the more fruitful your boss grinding will be

especially on the artifacts front

and i would not get hopes up about ayato on a ganyu team

ganyu teams literally already have strict 15s rotations where there is 0 downtime whatsoever
||ayato has 2 20s cooldowns, he couldnt fit in even if he was extremely godlike, which is seems like he isnt||

[gilded dock]

I mean ganyu was at 20s in her beta phase. We just have to wait and see i guess

If they buff him to 15s

[fleet knot]

yeah and bringing her up to 100+% uptime was a balancing mistake which is the biggest factor in why she is so broken from a TC analysis perspective

they wont do that again

[gilded dock]

Watch them do that again

[fleet knot]

its not gonna happen, hyv has been very clearly straying towards the side of caution, preferring to release a character mid than broken

the 1.0 4* units terrify them

[coral siren]

should i invest in cr more for yae

or cd

[grand kestrel]

what's her current CR?

[coral siren]

41cr 223 cd

[coral siren]

.

[grand kestrel]

you need CR

[ebon otter]

put more crit rate

[grand kestrel]

yah

I mean if you can keep the 223 that's gravy, but you need at least60+% if you can get it.

[coral siren]

is 64 177 good

or 60 190

[grand kestrel]

I'd go with 60/190, I don't think 4% is going to be worth 13% damage.

[coral siren]

ye

[fleet knot]

this one is slightly better, but if you could get 65:180, that would be gravy

to use the same phrasing

[coral siren]

gravy sauce

[marble atlas]

gravy

[grand kestrel]

https://imgur.com/a/IvBJvnL

[modern raven]

Guys?

Can i ask something?

[ocean ember]

Sure

[modern raven]

What if i build xiangling hybrid dps and off field dps?

Cuz rn i am building her like that

Main stats is er,pyro dmg,crit dmg
Sets is 2pc noblese and 2pc pale flame

[ocean ember]

What do you mean dos?

She's usually off-field but also still the main dps, so the main stats you listed are pretty standard (though maybe EM instead of ER)

She nowadays goes with EoSF though, but I guess 2p NO and 2p CW can work too

[modern raven]

Stats is
Crit:153/63
Base atk:2.3

[urban plaza]

"Yeah her and NO-CW broke up. She nowadays goes with EoSF"

[marble atlas]

I'm interested to see 2pc pale Flame Xiangling

[modern raven]

Her basic atk dmg is 31k with bennett buff

When plunge

[coral siren]

adeptus xiao moment

[versed sonnet]

Smol question, who should I build? Yae is benched for now until I finished Enkanomiya quest.. You can ask what current build or anything.. Although only 5 of them having artif..

[marble atlas]

xinyan 😎

[versed sonnet]

Yeah, I've never tried her.. Will do when Chongyun artif maxed up..

[ocean ember]

I'd personally recommend Xingqiu, Diona, Mona or Fischl, depending on what teams you run

[river ore]

@ocean ember has leveled up to LEVEL 19

[ocean ember]

Xiangling is pretty good with Childe, also

[versed sonnet]

Note: Phys childe

[ocean ember]

Welp that's interesting asdajk. But then I'd say Fischl and Diona, to have superconduct. Guessing maybe Kaeya is built so Fischl.

[versed sonnet]

Chongyun, Childe, Diluc, Thoma and Bennett..

On way on building Kaeya and Albedo..

[ocean ember]

Well, you don't need that much investment on Kaeya if he's there for superconduct, as you only need him to apply cryo

[versed sonnet]

Alright, got it!

I didn't get Zhongli, so his build is Albedo's now..

[ocean ember]

Hmmm I wouldn't recommend that, as they have different scalings. Zhongli scales off of HP, Albedo from DEF.

[versed sonnet]

Yeah, but I'm quite unlucky enough to get 1.9k def on that build..

So, I'm going to stay until better one came..

And that certain domain is hard..

[ocean ember]

Good luck with the farming then!

[versed sonnet]

[modern raven]

Bruh phys childe

Are u crazy

[versed sonnet]

Yeah, I mained phys chongyun before..

[modern raven]

Soo what did u do with the e skill

[modern raven]

[versed sonnet]

Didn't use them?

[modern raven]

Razor,diluc,rosaria,kaeya and fischl

[marble atlas]

@ocean ember got it fixed, had to important again xd

[modern raven]

If u use that characters as a phys dps i will respect u man@versed sonnet

[versed sonnet]

Welp, my phys build is basically friendly..

I just had my fun with elemental..

[modern raven]

@versed sonnet btw tell me what are u having issues with and what are the characters that are fully build now and tell me what are the sets

[versed sonnet]

I just need a second team basically..

Top 6 in list is built one..

[river ore]

@versed sonnet has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[modern raven]

Ok what are the sets that u are giving them??

[versed sonnet]

Wait a sec, I'mma recheck..

[modern raven]

Ou i forgot something

Let me see all of ur weapon as well

To keep it simple just screenshot all of ur weapon and characters artifacts sets

Thats all

[versed sonnet]

Say if you want stats..

[modern raven]

Thoma,diluc,bennett is ok

Chongyun just need one more blizzard

And ur childe is the problem

But if u want to have better bennett change to 4pc noblese

[versed sonnet]

I'm tired of him not crit every time I wanna fast clear..

[modern raven]

Who?

If u wanted to say its childe

Then its because u didnt give him hydro artifacts

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[versed sonnet]

I can show his old build before phys..

[modern raven]

@versed sonnet u should give him this sets

And this is the stats that u should have on him

Thats all from me

Hope u get better on building him

[versed sonnet]

Time to broke my promise and probably stay another month on dragonspine..

His old takes 2 months to complete..

[gilded dock]

where is that from?

[modern raven]

From the app

I got it from a friend

[gilded dock]

What app

[modern raven]

Just type genshin impact guide

U will find it

@gilded dock Genshin assistant

[gilded dock]

not looking for it really because not a fan of app for stuff like that. and no need to ping again

was mainly curious because I have never seen that design

[modern raven]

Ok

[native nest]

Should also change thoma from 4 piece tenacity to 2 tenacity 2 emblem or 4 noblesse

He doesn't benefit from 4 tenacity, his burst is what's doing damage off field, not his e

[modern raven]

what's better? Energy Recharge or crit

stats on the left elemental mastery and crit on the right Energy Recharge

[modern raven]

Nah but i usually used thoma 4pc tenacity

And it turns out great

[native nest]

It doesn't work lol

Is what I'm saying

[native nest]

Just depends on what your xiangling needs more and what team comp she's in

[rustic lily]

imagine ayato's burst + ganyu's burst

[strong vortex]

is this good on yae ??

[rustic lily]

if u get the weapon from the current event, u can use that

[strong vortex]

i get it

but i think skyward is better

[modern raven]

Yup

U can used it on her

[raw hedge]

Which artifact should I use for Yae miko

??

[ebon otter]

what’s the best set for mona?

nuke mona

[fleet knot]

Skyward is definitely not better than kaguras verity, but it'll be good

[fleet knot]

4sf

But 4no, 2no 2HoD, or many other combinations aren't too bad

[strong vortex]

why ?

like is more atk from skyward

[fleet knot]

Kaguras verify gives 48% skill damage bonus and over 60 more crit damage
That is WAY better than 1-200 attack

Skyward atlas is basically just lots of attack and 12 damage bonus

It's underrated in general but still just a decent all-rounder option

[river ore]

@fleet knot has leveled up to LEVEL 24

[strong vortex]

u mean banner weapon man..

ofc that one is better

i think u say abt 4* one

[fleet knot]

Ah, that's what you/they meant by event

Well I did say kaguras verity specifically, which is the name of the event weapon banner catalyst

[strong vortex]

idk weapons name :)))

i know only primordial jade spear :))

[oblique pelican]

[modern raven]

This is the info that u will need for nuke mona good luck on farming for her

[ebon otter]

@kindred gorge tyty

[modern raven]

And also there are artifacts sets that includes noblese 4pc

[ebon otter]

do you recommend kaguras verity?

[modern raven]

Hmm

Dont know man

Not sure for now

[ebon otter]

it’s alright thank you

[modern raven]

Ur wlc

[modern raven]

Ok i just talked to my friend he said that mona can use that

Go ahead if u want to use it

[ebon otter]

oh i was just asking for a friend hehe

thanksss

[spring epoch]

I'm a total newbie here I want to know where to farm for razor ?

[fleet knot]

noblesse oblige domain

or the pale flame domain

noblesse being the better choice between the two because noblesse is an extremely useful set to have

also dont grind artifacts until ar45
or 40 at the earliest

[gilded dock]

if you want to rush into abyss content, I wouldn't invest in razor imo

If you just want to play overworld, you have to wait till AR45 before farming his artifacts

or whatdid you mean @spring epoch

[spring epoch]

I'm 38 and struggling to kill monster why I want to grind

[fleet knot]

level your weapon

weapon >>>>>

leveling your talents a bit helps too

but is less important

[spring epoch]

60 or so

Hardly doing damage too monster

[fleet knot]

can you send your character box

[spring epoch]

What's that?

[fleet knot]

your box of characters

the ones youve got

[spring epoch]

In game menu?

[fleet knot]

in the game, yeah
if you open the character menu and click the thing at the bottom left

[spring epoch]

Remember I'm kinda new so u gonna have to explain abit

[fleet knot]

new to games in general?

im fairly sure box is pretty standard terminology

its where you store all your characters, yknow
like a literal metaphorical box

[spring epoch]

I been solo lol no friends nothing

[fleet knot]

ic

well its probably good to find out a bit more about your goals aswell
youre familiar with the spiral abyss, right?

its basically the "endgame" of genshin most of the time

how important is that to you

because all the recommendations that most reasonable people will give have "complete spiral abyss ASAP" as an implicit goal

like "this is how you spend your resin in the most efficient way, these are the characters who have the highest power payoff for investment"

[spring epoch]

Abyss I did that until I could of gotten xiangling

[fleet knot]

like xiangling, shes super strong
especially if you have bennett, she is arguably the best pyro dps in the game

if you can grind out all the fishing to get the catch to r5 asap, shes basically a 5* with a 5* weapon

[spring epoch]

I have Bennett, c2xiangling

[fleet knot]

its so good

the catch is a free 4* weapon but its comparable to what many people think are some of the best 5* weapons

its very very good

[fleet knot]

ok honestly youve got some good characters there
for early overworld stuff, diluc can and will carry you
later on, swapping to xiangling might result in more damage, but that also requires 5* artifacts with decent investment that you dont have access to yet

add xingqiu in there, or barbara

xingqiu is insanely powerful (like one of the best units in the game outright), but he needs a lot of energy

sacrificial sword being the best option there, but favonius sword also being very good

[spring epoch]

Barbara razor Bennett and xiangling my team

[fleet knot]

except for bennett xiangling, that team has 0 synergy

[spring epoch]

Bennett my back up healer and buffer

And Barbara is my healer

[fleet knot]

you could try razor rosaria bennett xiangling, where bennett is your healer
or razor rosaria barbara + 4th slot, not too important

a healer bennett also wants favonius sword or something like that for lots of ER

but diluc xingqiu is literally a classic

and very satisfying to play

[spring epoch]

Barbara to me is a better healer because she doesn't depends on ult to heal

[fleet knot]

yeah, for overworld (non abyss) content, skills are a lot more important than bursts

[spring epoch]

Ohhhhh

[fleet knot]

especially early on, when your energy recharge wont be high enough for many things

bursts can be quite inconvenient

but thats also where diluc is good, his burst is literally the cheapest in the game

and its good

[spring epoch]

Yh I noticed it build up fast

2 more level until ar40

If I knew this I wouldn't of done ascendance mission

[fleet knot]

you never really answered my question btw @spring epoch

[spring epoch]

Abyss?

[river ore]

@spring epoch has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[spring epoch]

@fleet knot

[fleet knot]

yeah

[spring epoch]

Idek yet

I just enjoy the story

But I guess I can do abyss as I get stronger

[fleet knot]

like personally, once i discovered that there was an abyss to do

i wanted to complete it

its was a relatively high priority for me

but if you like the game because of the characters and story, then it sounds like its not really a focus for you

in which case, it might not be a bad idea to grind out 1 4* artifact set, like crimson witch for diluc

and just level the feather up

its not recommended, but if you dont care about getting to abyss a few days (or weeks, depending) sooner

then its nice to get a bit stronger earlier

[urban cobalt]

which of these weapons should my razor be using? he's got debate club currently

[modern raven]

Prototype archaic

The artifacts tou farm for him are 4piece of pale flame

[fleet knot]

archaic for sure

diluc can also use archaic

btw, something that i didnt mention before is that if you just need some more damage, level up your feather artifact

it just gives 2-300 attack right there, which is super nice

[tall lagoon]

Would this build be good for raiden

[fleet knot]

will you be using the catch?

if so, this is pretty good

[modern raven]

diluc + prototype or blackcliff?

[fleet knot]

blackcliff is probably better, but archaic is quite good

[floral bear]

Does this good on keqing or do I need to improve it?

[fleet knot]

what ar

[rapid path]

Yae Crit or Yae ATK or Yae Elemental Mastery?

[gilded dock]

@rapid path the EM scaling is bait tbh

it's for when you get the EM roll on widsith

[rapid path]

I see

Thanks

[fleet knot]

its really not, most of her damage comes from her skill and her skill scales with EM

if you run some calcs based on someone's artifact pool, you might find that EM pops up a lot more than you would expect

just in substats

[gilded dock]

yeah, but 15% dmg increase per 100EM doesn't justify an EM sands

[fleet knot]

well i didnt say to use an EM sands

[floral bear]

57 iirc

[fleet knot]

lots of room for improvement then

you have 2700 attack, are you running an atk circlet?

• anyways, keqing has a crit damage ascension and a crit rate passive, so you'd want like 60:150 or better

[gilded dock]

I assume lion's roar?

[fleet knot]

no 4* weapon is getting anywhere near 3k attack unless thats stats with bennett buff active

2700 is like wgs level attack, and that build is 2800

[gilded dock]

It's a 509 weapon, so maybe level 74 summit shaper. Idk. Just waiting for a response from them

[fleet knot]

90/90 keqing but mystery build

[floral bear]

I see, thanks

[unkempt oriole]

Reminded me of the keqing with cinnabar spindle LMAO

[fleet knot]

can you send your weapon and artis?

[unkempt oriole]

"it's not about the equipment, it's how you built it"

-random keqing player with cinnabar spindle

[floral bear]

@fleet knot

[fleet knot]

atk goblet

oh

you definitely want an electro goblet

[gilded dock]

I was correct with lion's roar

[floral bear]

I see, thanks

[modern raven]

I would say ur crit rate is below 50 right?

[floral bear]

53

[fleet knot]

yeah 4*, weapon but double atk% timepieces
ig, if it wasnt clear, i was saying that a 4* alone would not get any unit to that much attack, therefore it had to have been multiple atk% mainstats

[gilded dock]

Ah lol, was just saying which weapon it prob was

[fleet knot]

i interpreted it as a response to my second message here

like you were saying lions roar explains the atk

anyways, doesnt matter anymore

[tender agate]

who are new catalysts good with?

[gilded dock]

yae if you got nothing else I guess
it not being HP% made that thing effectively worthless

[tender agate]

is the 4* one worth leveling? im a klee main and she has the widsith

[ebon otter]

widsith is better

[gilded dock]

until we get a unit like gorou-evel shit scaling but wants ER en masse like raiden

that catalyst is worthless

not being HP% made it useless for everyone, including kokomi

they tried pleasing too many and just spoiled it to death

[fleet knot]

jack of all trades master of none

its got some attack, some er

just a stat stick, pretty solid for new players

dont get mad at a fish for its ability to climb a tree

[gilded dock]

I'm mad that it got butchered for the jack of all trades bs mantra

[marble atlas]

kokomi can climb trees

[gilded dock]

it could've been like cinnabar spindle

except htat barbara can also use it

not just kokomi

[elder knot]

Mihoyo might gonna erase healer meta

I bet there will be enemy with "income healing minus"

Return to shield meta

[gilded dock]

you forgot we already have that sometimes

[urban plaza]

we do?
Where

[gilded dock]

Pretty sure we had it somewhere before.

[urban plaza]

Ah

But tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they do

[gilded dock]

Maybe just event-only

They won't

Classical healers already dont see enough play afaik

[urban plaza]

Ehe I have both Koko and Zhongli, and I'm fine with either gameplays XD

Besides, the Anti-shield tactics aren't FULLY throwing shields out of business

Eggcept the husk enemies now

But shields are still of plenty use even with corrosion and the energy-health robbers

[gilded dock]

I still think healers don't need a nerc

Since they don't provide stun resistance

[urban plaza]

true

[long hare]

otherwise stinky build but the exact 200 cd

is nice to look at

[ebon otter]

mine is 199

[opaque field]

my best artefact ever

[gilded dock]

....goblet

yikes

[bleak river]

Atk goblet…sadge

[opaque field]

yea

if it only whuld be hydro dmg

[bleak river]

You mean literally any elemental or physical dmg

[opaque field]

no

[bleak river]

You're farming for hod, got it

[opaque field]

is artefact for ayato

[bleak river]

Ic

[river ore]

Heart of Depth

2 Piece Bonus: Hydro DMG Bonus +15%
4 Piece Bonus: After using Elemental Skill, increases Normal Attack and Charged Attack DMG by 30% for 15s.

Rarity

4/5 ⭐

[gilded dock]

ah

[opaque field]

the goblet is sub rtefact

[bleak river]

That's actl really good for ayato lmao (4pc set bonus)

[opaque field]

im farming this aculy

[modern raven]

What do u guys think of my xiao stats

[gilded dock]

use a CD circlet

[bleak river]

^

[silent tulip]

Wait, how would a CD circlet help?

I mean, if its a CD circlet with more CV than the current one it would probs be better but ... otherwise not really

or am i getting something wrong

[crystal heath]

isnt it good already?

[ebon otter]

probably because nobody really needs 99 crit rate

so it would prooooobably be better to have more cd

[gilded dock]

a CD circlet as opposed to a CR one would still get them to 68.3 CR with way more CD

and if at least one crit rate roll happened , it'd be 70CR+

[silent tulip]

"Way more" its like fucking 60

I'd rather have triple damage all the time than 3,6x damage 70% of it

[fleet knot]

Most carries get it already though

Xiao attacks kinda slow so a really high crit rate is good for him

99% is fuckin perfect

If you go down to 70% crit rate, saying "I'm with losing 60% of my damage 30% of the time"

Aka you lose 20% of your total damage output over time

[severe vine]

is this good for yae?

i gthis is good??

[fleet knot]

No +0 artifacts are good

They could be good

But until they're leveled you'll never know

[severe vine]

yeaaaa

thank you!!1

is this good?

@fleet knot

this also

[fleet knot]

Any 4* artifact that only has 2 substats at +0 is immediately unusable

No exceptions

[severe vine]

sorry too many questions

[fleet knot]

It HAS to have 3, and even then, it has to god roll to even compare to a 5* arti

No worries, I'm happy to answer

[severe vine]

thank you!!!

[gilded dock]

Dont farm artis before ar45

[severe vine]

oh

[fleet knot]

It's not quite that binary
Don't farm artis before 45 if you haven't already gotten your used units and weapons leveled

If you've done all that stuff, farming artis at 40 isn't that bad, the total fodder value you get is almost the same

And re-fodder value is high

Units to 60/70 > weapons as high as possible > talents to 6 > artis

Additional unit and talent levels

[gilded dock]

Before AR45, your resin is best spent on mora, and getting your first team up to 70/80 and 80/80 weapons
Also talents.

Farming artis before ar45 just sets you up for a lot of disappointment if you dont have spent resin on yiur units

[fleet knot]

70/80¿

Na

70/80 is late game investment, or rather 80/80

Levels are so extremely unimportant after a4

[elder light]

Finally got him to 60% crit rate🥲, now to get him more er and get rid of the em substat😒

Gonna have to grind for another 3 months for this 😔

[fleet knot]

Yeah 121 er is a tad low for itto imo

[crystal heath]

man,, i hope one day my characters are also like that

;-;

[modern raven]

Never realized how easy it was to get Itto to 200+ CD

You don’t really have to worry about crit rate with him

Its like he’s got a mini crit circlet in his ass and you need mimum cr rolls and can focus on maximizing your cd

[fleet knot]

redhorn helps

like a lot

[modern raven]

Is it normal to get a lot of CRIT DMG but not a lot of CRIT RATE?

[fleet knot]

rng is random

the chance of getting either is the same

[modern raven]

Im talking about with serpent spine

Double crit from ascension and weapon and you’re basically free to farm crit damave

[fleet knot]

its still pretty hard then, you would need, on average, more than 20 crit damage per artifact

with a cd circlet

[modern raven]

That’s easy though

[fleet knot]

[modern raven]

I mean look at my Gorou /j

17%+ is alright to me. But over 20% is chefs kiss

[modern raven]

for melt dps ganyu, why wanderer's over blizzard?

also why shimenawa over wanderer's

[fleet knot]

blizzard's value is 15% damage bonus and 40% crit rate conditionally, which is absolutely huge

but if youre using melt ganyu, the enemy will never be frozen

they wont even ever be cryo inflicted

so for melt ganyu, the 4p blizz effect does nothing

that means 4p blizz gives 15% damage bonus, while 4p wt gives 80 EM + 35% damage bonus

it should be obvious why the latter is better

and 4shim is over 4wt because 18% atk + 50% damage bonus > 80 em + 35% damage bonus
HOWEVER, people largely overrate 4shim, because they fail to understand just how serious of a cost it has, that 15 energy on skill cast makes it significantly harder to use bursts for most characters

the reason its so good for melt ganyu is because melt ganyu will never use her burst

so the energy cost downside doesnt exist

many people dont like having to cast ganyu's skill all the time to keep the 4shim damage bonus active, so they prefer wt

[modern raven]

why is noelle as shield support not recommended?

[fleet knot]

her shield has low uptime, and she gains other value from her shield which only work when she is on field

if noelle is on field, then shes not shielding your other characters

[modern raven]

Guys is this stats better

[gilded dock]

you still want a CD circlet

[modern raven]

I used homa actually

[gilded dock]

so? still CD circlet lol

[modern raven]

I also have jade spear

[gilded dock]

anything above 75% is just kind of a waste really

[modern raven]

He makes 78k each plunge

[gilded dock]

and? it could be 103k

[modern raven]

With buff he can go too 95k

[gilded dock]

just try a CD circlet when you get the opportunity to compare

[modern raven]

I gave him CR circlet actually

Not CD circlet

[gilded dock]

I said YOU SHOULD TRY A CD CIRCLET

Not that you habe one

The point was thag you should see the difference for yourself and if that is worth it.

[modern raven]

Hmm

Ok i will try

Btw this is the cr ciclet

[fleet knot]

no

[gilded dock]

Just fodder trash at the glad strongbox if you want. Maybe you get a cd circlet with 13CR

Actually, wait for chasm maybe

[fleet knot]

sacrificing a bit of damage for high consistency is absolutely worth it for late-game level investment

[gilded dock]

I don't care, didn't ask, but 99CR is overkill

[fleet knot]

[modern raven]

What is ur ar

[gilded dock]

59

[fleet knot]

losing 30 crit rate is literally losing upwards of 20-30% of your total damage output

objectively

[modern raven]

@fleet knot urs?

[fleet knot]

its just not worth it for someone who deals consistent damage

ill be 59 in a matter of days

i could hit it today if i spammed some fragile

[modern raven]

I have tried the cd circlet

[gilded dock]

Hence me saying they should try for themself

And if they have such luck again, they will be getting like 75% cr anyway

Chasm is around the cirner anyway

[fleet knot]

even if you ask xiao mains, its pretty clear that he is one of the characters who likes well over 90% crit rate

[modern raven]

And it turns out not that good

[fleet knot]

shintenzu, zy0x, etc

[modern raven]

It lower the dmg

[gilded dock]

Then stay with cr if you prefer it

But maybe switch some other pieces here and there if you get better rolls

[fleet knot]

i mean you might find that you have to refarm your whole set soon anyways

hope you've got some fragile waiting

[gilded dock]

To be fair

I take a busted rainbow over subpar 4pc

Not for all units, obv

[fleet knot]

68% attack is far better than any mix of 2p combos xiao can make rn
but yeah, it'll take a lot to replace a 100:200 build

it would have to be within ~5 substats to be better

[gilded dock]

You'd need minimum 35cr and 83.8cd to reach a similar-ish ratio. And that's gonna be a pain

[fleet knot]

subs are more than just crit, though in xiaos case its really just crit + atk, and basically all the attack is covered by the set bonus

so it'd be hard to get an optimal set, but the ceiling should be a good margin higher

[gilded dock]

That basically means 25 crit rolls from among 29-34

And the rest preferably in atk%

[fleet knot]

a full set of +20s has a max potential of 45 subs if a character has 4 usable subs, like raiden with crits, atk%, er

so for xiao, if you ignore attack, that means he can get a max of 35 subs, but that would literally be the god roll

[modern raven]

Should i change it?

[fleet knot]

whats your current circ

[fleet knot]

literally the same crit value

lmao

if you lose a set bonus then no, dont

[modern raven]

Soo switch or stay?

[fleet knot]

stay

since that doesnt give you 2shim

[modern raven]

Ok

[gilded dock]

@fleet knot i was refering how the max rolls into both cr and cd can be at most 34 rolls
25 rolls from +20, then 9 base (circlet mainstat prevents 19)

[modern raven]

Rn using 2pc glad and 2pc vv

[fleet knot]

ah yeah its 34 because you cant get 7 crit subs on a circlet

my b, but same idea

[gilded dock]

Just wanted to clarify the number

[fleet knot]

yep

[gilded dock]

But good luck reachin 265.2 substat CV lmfao

[fleet knot]

264.06 actually

a 7.8% roll is not 7.8

its 7.76666 if memory serves

[gilded dock]

Even if you roll all 7 crits in an arti, the error margin is between 37.x and 54.x or so

A lowroll prevented my feather to be a 50cv piece, that's why i calculated thst once

[gilded dock]

Oof, that's annoying ngl

[fleet knot]

yeah

its why 2 max crit rolls is 15.5% cd

because its really 15.5333%

rounded

6's and 3's repeating if that wasnt clear :P

i have no idea which of the two numbers is used in their damage formula

yeah it would make sense for it to be exactly 7.7666... because that makes 6 max rolls exactly 46.6%, which lines up with some main stat values

[gilded dock]

Or 23.3 for cr then

[raven radish]

So uh

What's the recommended amount of EM I should give kazuha??

I'm prefarming his artifacts

[oblique pelican]

~150 ish works

[raven radish]

Thanks

[bleak river]

All the em for pure support build

[marble atlas]

ive seen 1k em on him lol

[bleak river]

Ye that's like rly lucky with flower and feather em rolls

[gilded dock]

you want as much as possible

[gilded dock]

plain wrong

[raven radish]

Oh man farming for a EM sands is gonna be PAIN

[fleet knot]

4p vv > 1000 (or as much em as possible)

[fleet knot]

uh

what

this is perhaps the most out of touch recommendation ive ever seen

[desert pier]

how many atk does eula and ganyu need

[fleet knot]

2k is a clean number

1900+ with 4* weapons

2200ish+ with 5*

[desert pier]

mk thanks

[oblique pelican]

Lol, thought they were asking for ER

[fleet knot]

oh lmao

[bleak river]

Lmao

[fleet knot]

yeah 150 is maybe a tad on the high end

maybe 145 or smth

some people really do be out here running full crit kazuha

cant be trusted

[bleak river]

People do what they wanna do

[fleet knot]

yeah people are entitled to play any character however they want

but recommending it to others is a diff can of worms

often, the people running crit kazuha completely ignore game mechanics and have no idea what swirls are or how they work

and genuinely think that kazuha doing "high" personal damage is good

when it neuters his damage and his team buff potential

[marble atlas]

im pretty sure people running crit kazuha actually run him like that because they love his char and want to main him

most atleast, prob a couple that do it just to be quirky

[gilded dock]

if your crit kazuha doesn't magically have 500+ EM with everything going into crit build, crit build isn't worth it lol
so basically never

[raven radish]

Okok thanks!!

[frigid dock]

Does anyone know the average investment level of a mdps for the average genshin player? t200cv?

[gilded dock]

like the bare minimum to make it work is 50 / 150, which is 190CV, circlet mainstat included

so 200CV is like just above the poverty line

[fleet knot]

cv isnt really a good metric, as it completely ignores atk%

bennett can help patch a lacking attack stat but you only get 1 and there are 2 halves to the abyss

not to mention EM for reaction carries, ER for burst carries, or any other stat that a unit may scale with

like def

so if you consider 1 sub to be any useful substat roll, 25-30 subs across all your substats on 1 character is not a bad place to be

you do want it to lean more towards crit than the rest, but the rest are absolutely good, and even better to have at certain points

its a complex 5 dimensional calculus problem which is not easy to solve, which is what genshin optimizer does for you

just plop all your artis in and it will calculate every combination and tell you what is best

(given a set of conditions and buffs)

[frigid dock]

Oh, I meant assuming the other stats are decent, and not solely focused on crit

[fleet knot]

240 or so, including base stats but exclusion weapon or ascension

thats 60:120, which is a minimum

if you've got worse crit stats than that you should be glued to an artifact domain

[frigid dock]

ah, base stats are included in artifact details..???

[fleet knot]

no

theyre included on the character attributes page

base stats = 60cv so, 180-200cv from artis

[frigid dock]

My raiden is at t170cv lol...

[fleet knot]

raiden can get away with less if you have good supports or ER

[frigid dock]

I dont lmao, Er died at 210, she is the least invested out of my other mdps ;-;

[gilded dock]

Wtf do you mean with "died"?

[modern raven]

@gilded dock

[gilded dock]

Lmao

[elder light]

LMAO

this looks like something shaun would do except shaun doesnt know how to build characters for crit

[gilded dock]

Level prayer to 90 and tell me how much you crit for

[modern raven]

That’s so much work 😭

[elder light]

she'd somehow manage to get kokomi to -300 crit rate

[modern raven]

This all I got man. Btw it was 6k

[dim drift]

she is not that good to me right now

I played her with Raiden Shogun, Kazuha & Bennet but the result is worse than Raiden National Team

I'm pretty disappointed right now

[gilded dock]

Yeah

I skipped yoi and yae for the same reason

[dim drift]

Ahh. I hope I waited just few days to see the reviews before I pull

Now there're just few wishes left for Ayato/Ayaka

[fleet knot]

[modern raven]

What would be the ideal team for Chongyun?

[fleet knot]

Reverse melt burst dps
Or the cryo application on the OG national comp

Xiangling Bennett chongyun xingqiu

[modern raven]

I still don’t understand what a national team means

[fleet knot]

National team used to mean exactly those 4 units I mentioned

But then people were like "what if I used that same team but I replaced xingqiu with childe"

Or chongyun with raiden

Or...

And basically everything started changing about it

Except that xiangling Bennett stays on the team

So it used to mean that 1 specific team, now it basically means any team based around xiangling Bennett

[modern raven]

Why is it called national?

[fleet knot]

That's a bit whacky in its own right
It's called national because Chinese players came up with the team and "every" unit in the team is Chinese

Except Bennett, I guess he doesn't count against it for some reason

Which is also why it's so stupid that every Bennett xiangling team is called national now, because it literally makes no sense

But it is what it is

[modern raven]

So how would the chongyun national team play

[fleet knot]

https://youtu.be/BZ_5BsUdyxs

[silent tulip]

Wait people need guides for this?

Bru the rotation is literally as simple as it gets

Just look at the fucking skill cooldowns

[fleet knot]

If you're on the newer side and don't know about snapshotting or what every unit does

Then yes

[silent tulip]

Ah

Right, snapshotting

[silent tulip]

I actually like shatter chongyun quite a bit

[fleet knot]

Genshin does a horrible job at explaining mechanics beyond the most surface level things like what a reaction is

[silent tulip]

Chongyun Xingqiu Diona Sucrose/Kazoo @modern raven

[fleet knot]

Shatter is a very whacky team though
Might be fun but wouldn't really be recommend

[silent tulip]

Hm, seems pretty good to me tho

With diona + sucrose you get almost as much freeze time as freeze teams

so you can run BS on both, chongyun and xingqiu

[modern raven]

^^ true

[fleet knot]

Difference between "pretty good" and meta comps

[silent tulip]

Eh yeah

still, pretty good is enough for everything except floor 12

[fleet knot]

Yeah that's probably true
I like running diff comps on 9/10 than 11/12 too

[silent tulip]

Im a moron

i just realized i haven't played today

so my resin's probs capped

[modern raven]

Imagine if burning becomes the new meta when dendro is released

[upper sable]

🤷‍♂️ if its good it will be

[silent tulip]

It just kight

might*

[modern raven]

I mean you can see with the hilichurls and slimes how quickly burning can shred hp

[silent tulip]

Seeing how a single fucking burn and half of my char's health is fucking gone

[upper sable]

well chars have low hp pull though

[silent tulip]

Characters can get elemental mastery

[upper sable]

still doesn't look appealing to me but sounds cool im more interests in the other reactions this element will bring

[modern raven]

Like maybe dendro + geo will be root

Or dendro + hydro will be overgrowth

[silent tulip]

hm perhaps

though what would be the difference

what would root and overgrowth do?

[modern raven]

Idk just a thought

[upper sable]

geo and anemo will react as they usually react so don't expect special interactions if at all

[silent tulip]

Overgrowth could buff the chars or something, but idk how that would work

and "root" uuh... Crystalize

though if there was a special geo-dendro reaction that would be nice

Root could immobilize the enemies + increase the damage they take

[modern raven]

Sudo

[silent tulip]

but lets say.. they can still attack

[upper sable]

Yah as long as they release a few more hydro support units i would not mind anything they do

[silent tulip]

Would you consider Ayato (with the current leaks) a hydro support?

[modern raven]

Idk I haven’t seen the leaks

[upper sable]

nah he is a Hydro dps no questions about it

they even made a set specifically for him to be released

[modern raven]

Really?

[upper sable]

and lets not talk about leaks some ppl don't want to be spoiled

[silent tulip]

hm

[upper sable]

yes you can check it in other channels

[silent tulip]

We could just put spoilers..

[upper sable]

I don't know what the policy of this server about spoilers is so i would refrain

[silent tulip]

||I dunno man, most dps's don't make other chars do normal attacks||

[modern raven]

What would dendro + electro be like?

[silent tulip]

@upper sable

[silent tulip]

hm good question

Electro seems to literally have no identity right now

[modern raven]

Or dendro + cryo

[silent tulip]

Hm

Cryo seems to be a debuff element

So maybe uuh...

[upper sable]

||thats a very specific interaction of his ult that i would say is similar hu taos crit buff||

[silent tulip]

Bru i can only think of fucking shatter but thats already taken

[silent tulip]

Good point

I literally cannot think of a way for dendro to interact with cryo

[upper sable]

|| what i see as top picks for him will be cryo units that can sustain a field to keep enemies frozen and pyro units that can wape his hits while he is on the field droping those 70% enchanced super cuts from the new set||

[silent tulip]

When i think of getting animals and such cold i can only think of freeze

[upper sable]

Wither is an option

[modern raven]

All I can think of Is how cold weather makes plants die

[silent tulip]

Oh yeah

Wither

Hm

So maybe .. something like the Vape and Melt thing?

where it matters who triggers the reaction?

[modern raven]

But dendro + electro is the even bigger question

[upper sable]

well dendro can be a debuff element and we will all be happy on th other hand they na do whatever with it currently access to units is bared behind progression and money so most player might not experience the element for some time

electro will love something that can debuff for it as it debuffs for phy

[silent tulip]

They'll either give us a free 4* similar to noelle and barbara

or ig we might have to stick with dendro traveler for a while

[modern raven]

Wasn’t there a leaked supposed dendro character named YaoYao?

[upper sable]

she is not leaked she is even mentioned in game

[silent tulip]

Wasn't that ages ago?

[modern raven]

But yaoyao was stated to be dendro?

[upper sable]

yah here is the problem with a new element

[silent tulip]

I mean im not sure what weapon he could use

[upper sable]

they have to pump dendro units very fast to make up for the deficit

[silent tulip]

Like... lore-wise he's hella weak physically

[upper sable]

catalist then

[river ore]

@upper sable has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[silent tulip]

and i dont think he'll be a catalyst as YaoYao will probably be one

[modern raven]

Cataclyst seems the most reasonable for baizhu ngl

[silent tulip]

and having 2 catalysts with no other chars will just be Hydro 2.0

[upper sable]

they have 0 dendro units right now they can pump them in spades

[modern raven]

Other than sword

[upper sable]

Hydro 1.0 was good 😄

all the Hydro units are viable to a degree

just don't make it pyro 2.0 where they all do the same thing in a different way

[silent tulip]

I mean bennett klee amber and xinyan are different

[upper sable]

hhm don't know Yanfei and Klee do the same thing

Bennett i can get behind

[silent tulip]

Klee applies pyro way faster than Yanfei

[upper sable]

oh i would beg to differ

[silent tulip]

Go ahead

[upper sable]

klees ult is a multi hit pyro applier is her E their aa applies at the same speed

[silent tulip]

Yes, that is true

[upper sable]

it is way harder to vape klee over yanfei

[silent tulip]

You literally just confirmed my point

[modern raven]

Haha vape Klee

[silent tulip]

Klee applies pyro faster, therefore its harder to vape

[upper sable]

no

oh

it is a misunderstanding

[silent tulip]

Seems to be

[upper sable]

i thought you said klee is slower in pyro application

[silent tulip]

ah

[upper sable]

it works i used to main klee for a long time her charge attack has no icd so as long as you can time yourself and you usually can due to waiting for a spark you can vape every time

[silent tulip]

Huh it does?

[upper sable]

is it clunky yes does it work actually very vell

[silent tulip]

I've always thought Overload is a bit better for her

[modern raven]

I still haven’t gotten an answer to an earlier question though: Was Yaoyao officially stated to be dendro?

[jolly thorn]

||supposed in game model for yaoyao, has dendro vision||

[upper sable]

nah mono pyro is overload makes klee and her enemies fly through the air but was very good in 1.1 when there ware alot of geo shielded hilichuls around

[jolly thorn]

take it with a grain of salt

but most likely ||yes she is dendro||

[silent tulip]

I mean currently most enemies in abyss cannot be knocked back so..

[upper sable]

only bosses and lectors

[silent tulip]

Literally most enemies-

[upper sable]

Klee can knockback large enemies

[silent tulip]

A little bit yes

[upper sable]

so vishaps and stuff are fair game

you can actually even stun lock them

[silent tulip]

"Bosses and lectors" literally more than half of floor 12

[upper sable]

well current floor 12 is a dps check on one side and a cryo hydro check on the other

[modern raven]

Is Klee the most fragile character?

[silent tulip]

So, there's this thing called google

[upper sable]

she is very squishy but i'm not sure about most fragile ganyu is also very fragile

[silent tulip]

"Base health genshin chars"

or "genshin chars base health"

[modern raven]

Good point

[upper sable]

its her deffense that is very low really

[silent tulip]

Hm, good point

[upper sable]

right now i would say Yae is the most fragile character in game 😄

both def and hp are very low

[modern raven]

I didn’t know that

[silent tulip]

Diona

8.5k hp and 600 base def at lvl 80

[upper sable]

well diona has alot of hp if your building her though

you would mostl ikely have around 30k at lvl 80

[silent tulip]

Eh, true

[modern raven]

Still better than ganyu pretty sure

[silent tulip]

Huh, yeah

Ganyu has 50 less base def def and 100 more base hp

[upper sable]

but here is the thing most enemies do enough dmg that oyu don't really want to get his anyways

and about half the cast can't survive a magu kenki attack at 80% hp

[silent tulip]

True

[upper sable]

as he does around 14k dmg with that (personal observation)

[silent tulip]

I mean yeah, maguu kenki attacks are iframe or death

[upper sable]

I face tank alot of them due to kokomi having my back right now but yah zhongli is also preferable when dealing with him to avoid resets

though i find him more annoying recently he seems to have learned to dash forward so getting him to the wall doesn't always work now

[modern raven]

Do you find Azdaha or Signora harder?

[fleet knot]

They removed it

!

[fleet knot]

If dendro is akin to life, then cryo dendro could be frostbite or smth

[round narwhal]

oo

[upper sable]

:kek: lol nothing is hard in this game there are just mechanics that i find annoying

[round narwhal]

i like ur thinkin balaki

[fleet knot]

[modern raven]

Good thought

[grand kestrel]

I imagine if dendro does what I think it should do, then cryo would put the kerfufle on that. nod

[modern raven]

you sure this is the server you are looking for?

[grand kestrel]

it's a scam link

[modern raven]

i figured

this is for discussing genshin impact, not some random game you made (not to be rude but that's how it is)

[round narwhal]

<@&874036938351448094> just in case cuz they do be phishing w this

[modern raven]

how do i report

to mods

[round narwhal]

you @‘d the role, but dont do it if youve seen someone else do it in the same channel <3

[marble atlas]

it's not like they can help it

it's probably turned the user into a bot

[gilded dock]

<@&874036938351448094>

[sour adder]

is this good for eula? (i have really shitty artifact luck so cr is very low bc of that)

[urban plaza]

What's your circlet?
Is it a CD circlet

[sour adder]

yea

[urban plaza]

You could switch to a CR circlet to get more CR

You'd end up with 62% CR and around 196(?) Cd

[sour adder]

that would be good

not the best but rlly good

[urban plaza]

It would give you more consistent crits and a more consistent bigger damage

[sour adder]

does it have to be an on peice, off peice?

[urban plaza]

This is on the assumption that your CR circlet has CD substat and it rolls into CD atleast once, making it 14% CD from the circlet substats

[sour adder]

oh ok

well is this still good?

[urban plaza]

As I can see, your current is an On-piece, but it is the 3rd to pale flame set
Hence it being on or off set isn't really doing anything to the bonus (unless you wanna get a 4pc pale flame bonus)

[sour adder]

i switched the flower with one with 20 percent crit damage.

[urban plaza]

This is technically better than the old ratio

[sour adder]

so this one?

[urban plaza]

This might give the most damage out of the 3 (62:162)

[sour adder]

alright, thank you

[urban plaza]

I realised my math was incorrect and it wouldn't be 196

[oblique pelican]

Don't forget the extra 15% from Cryo res and rosaria (if you use her)

[upper sable]

Crit fishing with Eula is not a good thing especially since she packs all the punch in one big hit

[jolly thorn]

heres yanfei, yes i am trying to get more cr and failing

[silent tulip]

Mappa Mare why

what catalysts do you have

[ebon otter]

i used mappa mare early on too

it’s like a last resort

[jolly thorn]

dont mention the ascended eye of perception i was stupid

[silent tulip]

Hm

ic

Ok with a bit more cr yanfei would be decent

[jolly thorn]

shes c2 btw

ok

hes probably the least built so any tips appreciated

[silent tulip]

hm

[marble atlas]

i think lions roar is a good early on weapon?

[silent tulip]

what are his talents at

[marble atlas]

everyone used it before that one blue weapon came out

[silent tulip]

Pretty sure proto rancour has more base atk

wait lemme check

[gilded dock]

if you mean The Alley Flash, that's not in their inventory

Rancour is the best F2P option

[jolly thorn]

bad i know

[marble atlas]

i know its not lol

[silent tulip]

Level up his weapon and Q

the artifacts don't matter as much

[jolly thorn]

i neglected him a lot for a while i thought he was annoying and overused lol

ok ty

[silent tulip]

Well he is annoying and overused

[marble atlas]

my friend: could you log on and help me with my builds??

what i see as soon as i log on:

[silent tulip]

doesn't change the fact that he is powerful

[silent tulip]

Phys shenhe

pog

[jolly thorn]

oh that hurts lol

[river ore]

@jolly thorn has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[marble atlas]

oh he somehow doesnt have fav lance wtf 💀

[marble atlas]

that looks pretty good to me, what are his artifs and talents?

[silent tulip]

^

[fleet knot]

Well he won't be doing any damage

Like at all

So hopefully 4nob

[jolly thorn]

circlet needs to be replaced ik

[silent tulip]

Yup, thats 4nob

[jolly thorn]

4nob?

[fleet knot]

+20 the goblet, xingqiu gives more damage reduction with more damage bonus

4 piece noblesse

For the atk buff

[jolly thorn]

yeah i know hes better with the other artifact set from inazuma i think??

[fleet knot]

That's if you want him to do damage

You have basically 0 crit at all, so he won't be doing damage

But also, since that artifact set complete ignores his skill damage, other options are very close to as good

[silent tulip]

So, as of right now Yanfei seems like the only one whose artifacts are on the low end

[jolly thorn]

mhm

[marble atlas]

what are best artifs for noelle

idk wtf he's using her for tho

[silent tulip]

Husk i think?

[fleet knot]

Should be husk regardless of use case

Scales her shield the best

[marble atlas]

aite bet he's gonna have a fun time trying to fix his noelle and itto lol

[silent tulip]

Though for a dps glad is almost as good so if you already have a good set, farming husk is not worth it

[fleet knot]

Pjws

Sadge

[jolly thorn]

..pjws?

ohh

spear

should i..... put it on him?

i like the fat shield though

[fleet knot]

Na

Not for him

[jolly thorn]

figured

[fleet knot]

It's a 5* spear but it's kinda hard to use

Hard to find a place for*

[silent tulip]

At least till we get a polearm buffer

[jolly thorn]

tfw no xiao

[marble atlas]

not even good for xiao?? isnt it his sig?

[silent tulip]

Staff of H0ma exists with its fat crit damage

[fleet knot]

It's better than homa for xiao

Homa is extremely overrated

[jolly thorn]

zhonglis sig isnt that great for him ive heard

[fleet knot]

Yeah it's terrible for him but that's an exception rather than the norm

Homa is only better than pjws for xiao if you're speedrunning and have no time to stack pjws up

[jolly thorn]

anything i should do for zhong?

[marble atlas]

i wanted to know if pjws is good on xiao or not, not whats better

i dont even have pwjs xd

[fleet knot]

It's best on xiao

[fleet knot]

Just triple HP main stats with black tassel or fav lance and he's a good shield bot

As you get stronger and better at the game, zhong can fade into the background

[silent tulip]

whenever i read pjws i always read it as "pijamas"

[jolly thorn]

but i like him :)

ty tho

[silent tulip]

pajama*

pyjamas?

bru I should know this-

@fleet knot How to spell the word for sleeping clothes

[fleet knot]

Pajama

[silent tulip]

thanks

[fleet knot]

When I see pjws I kinda just internally read it as "perjerwispear"

[ebon otter]

isnt it pyjama

[ebon otter]

ah

americans

[jolly thorn]

also one more thing

i get very mixed results when i ask if yanfei should use wanderers or crimson witch

so what would be better for my team rn

i hope to get widsith or something that isnt mappa soon

[fleet knot]

Often times, the difference between multiple viable options is very very small, and it just depends on whichever set you have higher quality of

Crimson witch is farmable, wt basically is not, so you probably have better crimson artis

[gilded dock]

they have similar-ish output among the common playstyles. people prefer WT though because you can just strongbox it while farming ESF or whatever

while crimson bitch is just mocking you for 5 months

[jolly thorn]

hmmm ok thank you ^^

[fleet knot]

Even in cases where something is a clear cut upgrade, people will far overstate the difference between them

The same is true for meta / character viability

[gilded dock]

if it can 36-star abyss, you could run barbruh for all I care
don't actually know if she can lmao

and while for some units, the BiS set is way above the rest, that's like a handful of units at best

the only one that really prefer CW over anything else are diluc and bennett dps

and VV for venti, sucrose, kazuha

the rest is quite flexible with at least 2 options

[marble atlas]

farm wt by farming every single boss in the game religiously

[fleet knot]

I mean, it's BiS on like 5 or 6 units, but yeah it's only necessary for diluc
Only other chases of that are blizz for ganyu and ayaka and sf for raiden

And husk for itto Noelle, actually

But yeah not many

[gilded dock]

you actually made my "handful of units" point "two handfuls", but yeah xD

[fleet knot]

Yeah just being more specific

[gilded dock]

at least ganyu has the option for melt and isn't limited to freeze

[fleet knot]

[gilded dock]

so BS isn#t a must for her either, just if you want the more braindread of the two teams