🔨・build-discussion

[rocky skiff]

how much need EM?

[ocean ember]

As much as you can get, though keep ER in mind if you don't have her C1/sac fragments. I'm currently running her on around 400 EM, but usually a well built Sucrose will have over 800

[rocky skiff]

got R2 sac but c0

[ocean ember]

That could be fine indeed, and tbh on a Hu Tao team you don't really need her ult anyways (at least I don't use it often because it can mess with reactions, unless you make sure to infuse it with hydro) so yeah, I'd go ahead and go triple EM if you have the pieces

[modern raven]

Nowadays how hard are Xingqiu and Bennett to get? As in, how often do they show up on banners?

I don't think there's any denying that they are some of the best characters in the game

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[rocky skiff]

Xingqiu is in current banner

[modern raven]

I knew that but how often are they on banners

[ocean ember]

Hmmm I don't know how often they do show up but they're not particularly rare (like Fischl, until now). Plus both show up on the starglitter shop, so you can get them guaranteed.

[ocean ember]

There's no established pattern

[modern raven]

I'm still wondering why Fischl doesn't appear on banners anymore

We haven't gotten her featured ever since 1.6 Klee banner

Should I put a healing bonus circlet on Xingqiu?

[ocean ember]

She will be next banner

[modern raven]

rlly?

[ocean ember]

It was an issue with her JP voice actor afaik

[modern raven]

oh

that's disappointing

[ocean ember]

It's officially announced

[ocean ember]

I wouldn't but if you want him to be full support and maximise his healing, go ahead

[rocky skiff]

fischl was because VA problems

[ocean ember]

Why?

[modern raven]

it's disappointing that the issue happened

not that we'll be getting her next banner

[ocean ember]

Ahh makes sense

But yeah, Oz's JP VA was changed

[wise oak]

oh yea

bc of that

problem

no wonder shes back on banners

[modern raven]

Could summarize Raiden's role in battle as a superior version of Fischl's?

[rocky skiff]

Apparently razor has some VA problems too?

[wise oak]

?

[round narwhal]

i thought it was ozs CN va ?

[rocky skiff]

I thought i read about razor too

lemme google

[ocean ember]

Depends on the comp, on some situations, yeah

But iirc Fischl's electro applications is faster (aka her ICD is lower)

Plus Fischl can't really fill the role of main dps as Raiden can, if you run Raiden as main dps

[ocean ember]

Not sure tbh, I remember reading it was JP but not sure

[wise oak]

damn

the vas are going nuts

[round narwhal]

im p sure its CN not jpn

unless it was both ?? 💀

[wise oak]

aw hell naw

[ocean ember]

No idea aklsjda I have bad memory

But if you're sure it was CN, then it was CN xD

[round narwhal]

😭

[modern raven]

What does national team mean?

[ocean ember]

Well, it's usually Xiangling/XQ/Bennett/flex

Original version had Chongyun as flex

Then Sucrose (which is better afaik)

[round narwhal]

chongyun 😳

[modern raven]

No explain to me what the structure of a national team is please

[ocean ember]

Then there was Xiangling/Childe/Bennett/Sucrose (now could be Kazuha instead of Sucrose), which afaik is one of the highest damage variation

Not sure what you mean then?

The core of national is its characters

[round narwhal]

a person from each nation 💔

jk idk

[ocean ember]

They do follow a specific rotation

But it always involves Xiangling, Bennett and XQ (only exception is in Childe's version)

Newest version is Xiangling/Bennett/XQ/Raiden

There's also Xiangling/Bennett/XQ/Kazuha

[modern raven]

like how do characters in a national team interact with each other

[ocean ember]

It relies on Bennett buffing Xiangling's burst (which snapshots) and then reverse vaping it, either via XQ or Childe

I recommend watching a video though, as I'm sure there are plenty that explains it much better than me

[hot wraith]

Should I build both Emblem Set on Xiangling and xingqui?

[quartz marsh]

anybody build sub DPS ganyu for melt team?

what the best set?

[gilded dock]

Sub dps for melt is a waste

[gilded dock]

And raiden

[quartz marsh]

i have yoimiya as main

so i wanted to make sub DPS ganyu so i can melt

[gilded dock]

They shouldn't ever be in the same abyss team

[ocean ember]

You can't really melt anyways, you'll end up reverse melting with Ganyu due to ICD

[quartz marsh]

what is ICD?

[quartz marsh]

so, better ganyu main DPS if i dont have better pyro?

[river ore]

@quartz marsh has leveled up to LEVEL 5

[gilded dock]

Ganyu xiangling bennett flex

Yoimiya yunjin fischl flex
Maybe xingqiu for you

[ocean ember]

Internal Cooldown. Let's take Yoimiya, for example. When her E is active, each arrow does pyro damage, right? The damage number is orange. However, not every arrow applies pyro, and therefore can trigger a reaction.

Only her 1st, 3rd and 5th arrow actually apply pyro, considering you attack without interruption

[modern raven]

I have a team featuring Ganyu, Xiangling, Bennett, and Diona. Would this be a good layout: Ganyu, Xiangling, and Bennett will use their bursts whenever possible and in a good position(but especially Ganyu) and Diona provides shielding and particles for Ganyu. Bennett is main dps. Do you think this works?

[quartz marsh]

bennett is a what?

[modern raven]

there a problem?

[ocean ember]

The standard ICD (applies to most characters, but there are exceptions) is 2.5s or 3 hits. This is, every 3rd hit will be able to apply pyro, and also every 2.5s.

Asides from this, there's also elemental gauges. To not delve into this too much, this means that if you do, for example, pyro and then cryo, a pyro aura will remain (and the damage bonus is 1.5 to the cryo hit); this is known as reverse melting. If you do cryo and then pyro, aka a forward melt, the damage bonus to the pyro hit is 2.0 but there will be no element remaining. This is why there really isn't a meta team that forward melts (or forward vapes), since due to ICD and elemental gauges, it's really impractical and you'll most likely end up doing a reverse reaction, amplifying the support damage instead. Only exception I know of (though not a meta team) is Bennett paired with Chongyun, though idk, maybe with another support with enough cryo application could work too.

[modern raven]

So what could I do instead?

[ocean ember]

Not sure, but I'd go with melt Ganyu instead. Basically same team but Ganyu as dps instead.

[modern raven]

So what is my layout?

[ocean ember]

This one was replying to Pancks especifically though, but it kinda relates to xolrz question too.

[gilded dock]

Dont use ganyu Q and use zhongli instead
You apply pyro with xiangling, then reverse melt both hits of ganyu Charged Shot

[modern raven]

too bad i don't have zhongli

[ocean ember]

What Falthis said, though imo Diona can work fine

[modern raven]

since i don't have zhongli i use diona as shielder

[gilded dock]

Then use diona shield, or tankfei, or yunjin

[ocean ember]

Just make sure her shield is good enough so Ganyu doesn't get interrupted when charging her shots

[modern raven]

what is tankfei supposed to be? I assume it has to do with Yanfei, and mine is C0(somewhat built though)

[quartz marsh]

okay im starting to get the hang of it

[gilded dock]

You need C4

[modern raven]

so me using tankfei is out of the question. What's it's playstyle though?

[gilded dock]

ER HP HP with prototype amber on 2TM 2ESF
You basically drop her EQ, pick up the particles, then swap out

You have 15s of a pyro shield equal to 45% of her max HP

[modern raven]

i see

[gilded dock]

Basically, while you have 5s less uptime, in which you should spam xiangling EQ, bennett EQE, then swap to yanfei for EQ, the shield is potentially stronger

[ocean ember]

I'm glad! It can be a bit of a complex subject tbh but I hope I didn't make it harder to understand x'D

[modern raven]

How well would Diluc and Chongyun work together?

[hot wraith]

I mean a national team

[ocean ember]

You'd probably want to run XQ with them regardless but I'm guessing not too bad

[hot wraith]

Xiangling and XQ both EM set good?

Or xiangling crimson

[ocean ember]

I wouldn't put an EM focused set on neither, EoSF is the best option currently for both

Xiangling does want EM though

XQ doesn't, as he usually is the aura, not the trigger

[modern raven]

For my Melt DPS Ganyu do I want EM or ATK sands?

[hot wraith]

I mean emblem set sorry for confusing 😹

[ocean ember]

Ah alskdjla then yeah, EoSF for both is good xD

[ocean ember]

Depends on the rest of the substats, but afaik both could work. If you go by EM sands, be sure to still have enough attack though.

Though you're running her with Bennett, so there's that

[gilded dock]

you want like 200EM with 4WT (or maybe 4SR)

[modern raven]

Xiangling + 4 Crimson or 4 Emblem?

[ocean ember]

^ More than 200EM will probably be a bit too much, if it means ignoring other stats

Oop, too late

I'd go with 4 emblem

CW can work but farming EoSF is just better (and less painful overall)

[modern raven]

What is the best way to get fragile resin?

So that I can consistently restore my supply of condensed

[ocean ember]

You really can't afaik, just BP, some events iirc, and buying transient resin once a week from the teapot

Some AR ascensions also give fragile resin

[modern raven]

how do i get transient resin

[rustic plank]

pot lv 8 first iirc

then you can buy one

[modern raven]

how do i level up my pot

[rustic plank]

using pot currency

[ocean ember]

Buying it once a week from the teapot, but yeah, you need to level the pot iirc

[rustic plank]

you need to increase pot load first

i forgot the other requirements

[ocean ember]

Increasing the trust rank, it's in-game how to do this

[modern raven]

so just building stuff ic

[ocean ember]

Basically, yup

Increasing adeptal energy is the main way iirc

[modern raven]

What is the hardest set to farm?

So far it has been noblesse and crimson

at least for me

[ocean ember]

Tbh it depends on your luck

If you mean the domain itself, it's subjective

I struggled with CW at some point, now it's just mildly annoying (but that's because I'm using my friendship team, not my regular team)

I've never done the NO domain that I remember so can't say about it

[modern raven]

haha NO domain

[ocean ember]

Noblesse Oblige xD

[rustic plank]

NO domain you can just use anemo traveler and shred those 3 abyss shield against each other

[modern raven]

the NO domain is hard for me because of how the mages freeze me and my geo characters are trash

[rustic plank]

Lol

If u wanna cheese it

Go to pyro first, then you can kill the cryo one asap

After that is pretty breeze

Make sure not to draw attention from hydro

[modern raven]

would you actually recommend bringing a geo character

[rustic plank]

Cuz the bubble is annoying

U can cheese with any tbh

Just bring 2 element and anemo/electro

[modern raven]

Which characters for Childe fight?

That aren't banner characters

[ebon otter]

any but hydro or electro

not i mean

[rustic plank]

fisch auto attack can do wonder :p

[modern raven]

so melt team then

[rustic plank]

that's what i used before i got ganyu/hutao

[modern raven]

Would you agree that overload is the worst reaction(unless burning counts)?

[oblique pelican]

No it's not

[ocean ember]

It's only the worst if you're trying to do it melee

[modern raven]

Actually yeah shatter is worse

[ocean ember]

It's pretty good for Yoimiya and Yanfei

[oblique pelican]

Shatter is a reaction? Interesting

[ocean ember]

Overload has the highest damage scaling of all the reactions (at least from the transformative ones)

It is, and I'd agree that it's the worst, but it has its uses

[modern raven]

it does?

[ocean ember]

Imo it's fun to run Razor with shatter (Razor, double cryo and XQ, basically)

[ocean ember]

Yeah

[modern raven]

what does scaling mean

[ocean ember]

Now melt and vape are amplifying reactions so their damage solely relies on the original hit

[ocean ember]

Well, how much damage it does

For example, if a skill says it does 300% of your character's attack, that's the scaling

[modern raven]

IIRC, overload scales on EM and level

[oblique pelican]

That em 'scaling' is highest for OL

Along with swirl afaik

[modern raven]

Is overloaded good for beginners, but vape/melt will catch up later on?

[ocean ember]

Basically

But overload can work pretty well still on end-game

[oblique pelican]

OL is only good for ranged dps(s) like yoimiya, yanfei. That's it

[ocean ember]

Just don't ever play overload with a melee character lmao

The only one that is good enough on melee is Raiden on national, but that's about it

[modern raven]

Although overloaded can't crit nor does it take ATK into account while vape/melt do

[ocean ember]

Yeah, but again, vape/melt depends entirely on your character stats

If your normal hit does 1k, a vape won't make it much better

[modern raven]

Is Shenhe bad like people are saying she is?

[oblique pelican]

Just because she's not a DPS doesn't make her bad, but yeah she's a niche character

[modern raven]

I know she's not a DPS she's a support

[oblique pelican]

Only supposed to buff Cryo attacks that is

[modern raven]

But yeah I see why people say she's bad since she only works with characters like Ganyu or Ayaka

[ocean ember]

She's niche, and tbh could have better buffs considering she's a 5*

But she's fine if you're a dedicated Ayaka or Ganyu player (even other stuff like Rosaria, Kaeya, etc)

[modern raven]

what weapon do you absolutely regret sacrificing?

for some reason i sacrificed my R3 Rainslasher to Blackcliff on Diluc

i regret it so much

[oblique pelican]

Lol! You guys use weapons as fodder? Not me.

[modern raven]

because i was using diluc as reverse vaporize

but i didn't realize that

[gilded dock]

shenhe is good, but you basically can only play her with a cryo DPS
she adds quite some damage to the team actually, especially on a mono cryo comp like shenhe diona chongyun rosaria

[fleet knot]

She's a niche support who does her job worse than generic supports, so by that metric she's "bad"
However, using her in her niche keys you use the generic supports elsewhere, and her support is fine I guess

Shes usable though

[modern raven]

who is the best shielder that is not zhongli?

[fleet knot]

Depends on what you mean by best

If you just want raw shield power, Thoma or c4 yanfei have the next most durable shields (or more durable in the case of yanfei, hers is just harder to get)

If you want a unit who can shield but does other things, diona is probably the go-to

In general diona would be better than zhongli

[modern raven]

so would diona be the best shielder for Ganyu?

especially with the particles

[fleet knot]

Yes

[modern raven]

great since my diona is c2

[rigid crater]

Why don't people use traveler?

[ebon otter]

there are better options but i have seen a few traveller mains

[oblique pelican]

The traveler is the budget version of the archons

[rigid crater]

I'm looking for good traveler builds

[junior crest]

what element?

[rigid crater]

Anemo and geo

[rustic plank]

My geo traveller use 2 gladi 2 petra in the past, not sure with current set if it's changed
Cdm/cr, atk, geo

As for anemo 4 vv or 2 gladi 2 vv

[sterile kernel]

Rate my kequing build...

for f2p

[fleet knot]

f2p but what weapon

[quartz marsh]

KEKwow

[rustic lily]

what’s the weapon?

[sterile kernel]

It's jade cutter

[fleet knot]

phys or electro

[ebon otter]

probably electro

46%

wait what stat does keqing ascend with

[rustic lily]

wish i could build my kewing like this too

keQQIng

[ebon otter]

I WISH I HAD KEQING

HHHHHHH

[rustic lily]

wish u get her!! go get her go go go

[fleet knot]

trading like 30 crit damage for 10 more crit rate would probably result in an increase of dps

and your set bonuses might be a bit whacky

but overall, pretty good build

[rustic plank]

cdm

[worthy oyster]

Rate my Sara build? Sub dps build in a 3 electro waifu team, Yae, Sara and Raiden. 🙂

[fleet knot]

super good except that the ER is a tad lower than i prefer, personally

and maybe level that e up a few more times

im running this

atk goblet but ive got damage bonus buffs from raiden and kazuha so it works out

[severe vine]

DIMWIT

THIS IS GOOD RIGHT?

[modern raven]

Naur

[severe vine]

Naur?

WTF

[modern raven]

I MEAN THATS GOOD

[severe vine]

OH

KALA KO SANA OL

I MEANT I THOUGHT ITS SANA OL

[modern raven]

do you have sucrose

[severe vine]

I DONT HAVE

:>

[modern raven]

Who are you farming for

[severe vine]

yanfei

[modern raven]

Try to get crimson witch for her

[severe vine]

yes

but always trash

[fleet knot]

please dont grind artifacts when you only get 4*

[severe vine]

BRUH

IKR

[river ore]

Noelle

SUPPORT

Support Noelle is not currently recommended in any content due to her extremely lackluster healing and poor shield uptime.

**Regarding Weapon Choices:
Sacrificial Greatsword: **Does not proc on Noelle's [C4] if she's off field, so a high refine is needed for the initial cast to reliably reset cooldown. Even with [R5], the cooldown is 16 seconds while Noelle's shield duration is 12, so forced downtime is an issue.
**Favonius Greatsword: **Relies on hitting crits to generate energy. The 12 second cooldown at [R1] matches with her shield cooldown. Generally not recommended unless you have an abundance of crit substats or wish to build her pseudo-DPS.

MAIN STATS

Sands: DEF%
Goblet: DEF%
Circlet: DEF%

SUB STATS

1. DEF%
2. Flat DEF
3. Energy Recharge

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Skill
2. Burst
3. Normal Attack

WEAPON

1. Whiteblind (4★)
2. Sacrificial Greatsword [R5] (4★)
3. Favonius Greatsword (4★)

ARTIFACT

1. Husk of Opulent Dreams (4)
2. Husk of Opulent Dreams (2) Maiden Beloved (2)

ABILITY TIP

Use her charged attacks for healing as they are much faster than normal attacks.

[frail dune]

What website

[fleet knot]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/build

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjvbp4_b1xw&ab_channel=JinJinxandTuner[MathalosGaming]

[frail dune]

Thankss

[fringe edge]

who should i build today?

maybe ganyu.

any tips? this is the third time I'm rebuilding her since 1st banner

[grand kestrel]

I recommend shooting the arrows.

[limpid urchin]

how much em Hu Tao needs?

[ocean ember]

Around 200EM

[leaden jolt]

what main stat should I use on sands for yae? atk / em / er?

[rose ravine]

this is my team right now

im not sure what build i should do for barbara

[humble pecan]

You dont really need barbara imo unless ur trying to electro charge or vape

In which case I'd stack EM

[grand kestrel]

stackem

[wise oak]

healer?

[modern raven]

what's the worst team comp that you've actually seen someone seriously use?

[rustic lily]

co-op, all hydro, against oceanid

[modern raven]

for me it would probably be my brother's, whose default is Ayaka + Hu Tao + Kazuha + Keqing

does anyone know the best artifacts for yae? if get her id like to build her

[wise oak]

geo trav and shenhe

;-;

[ocean ember]

Outside of Keqing, that is actually not terrible tbh. Swap Keqing for Xingqiu and, with proper investment, it shreads through content (though tbh I'd also swap Kazuha for something like Diona maybe, as you can't swirl pyro easily anyways).

As for the worst team comp I've seen, not sure tbh but probably some combination of 4 greedy (on-field that you can't really swap out on their dps windows) dpses, so any combination of Hu Tao, Razor, Childe, Xiao, Yoimiya, maybe even Itto.

[grand kestrel]

pyro is super easy to swirl, as long as there's grass. XD

[ocean ember]

There's no grass in abyss :P

[grand kestrel]

yes, but once dendro comes out...

[ocean ember]

Now that could be interesting, not needing to run a second pyro with Hu Tao to swirl it, but I guess we have to wait

[ocean ember]

This or maybe a combination of supports that can't do damage or don't go together at all, so imagine a Barbara, Diona, Gorou and Qiqi or something (yeah, you can build either as dps with different degrees of success, but this is assuming they're built as support).

[modern raven]

I’m wondering what dendro’s play style will be like when it’s released

What characters should be used with Ayaka, other than Diona for particles?

[ocean ember]

Hydro support and anemo with 4p VV, basically

[humble pecan]

I farmed 2pc Thundering and 2pc Gladiators for her and based on what I can guess, I think it'll be good

[ocean ember]

Her best hydro support is Mona (but this requires at least enough investment to kill stuff with her ult, as Mona's off-field hydro application is not that good), followed by Xingqiu (who requires auto attacking more, which isn't Ayaka's focus) and Kokomi (which also fills the healer role, so you can bring something like Kaeya or Rosaria instead of Diona; even Ganyu or Shenhe if you can get Ayaka's burst on cooldown).

[quartz marsh]

guys for content creator, which content creator do you recommend? seka, zyox, xlice?

[fleet knot]

please dont even touch seka with a 10 foot pole

he is harmful

zy0x and xlice are pretty good though

tenten too if you want a more muted evaluation, hes one of the few who will actually say to not summon on a character

which is important to have in the CC landscape

[quartz marsh]

i've been following him from early lol

[fleet knot]

then you should know

[quartz marsh]

why?

[fleet knot]

he says the worst things

[quartz marsh]

seems like a nice guy

[quartz marsh]

okay

[fleet knot]

like kokomi dps > childe dps
calculating raiden burst with vap and melt damage
running aloy main dps instead of sub/bursts
making a whole video on potential yae teams without mentioning raiden once

he literally mentioned that yae could be a battery for xiao before he mentioned that she'll work with raiden

what is that

who does that

[oblique pelican]

British seka

[fleet knot]

i watch him for his banner predictions but even those are kinda vague

but if you want meta advice i really would not look at him at all

also because he just straight up makes guesses for shit and passes it off as "TC"
feelcrafting is looked down upon for a reason

[oblique pelican]

Nonetheless, his videos are quite entertaining

[fleet knot]

yeah, entertainment value can be found in many places

i hold a relatively similar opinion of iwtl

his tests, even when he tries to make them representative, are very far from it

to his credit, i'd say he has been noticeably improving

[quartz marsh]

thx for the very well explanation

[quartz marsh]

yeah maybe that's what makes me like to watch him

[fleet knot]

also at this point i think he has no idea how to read

"enkano moya"
"shing kwii"

[marble atlas]

why is this considered a bad thing ?

the aloy bit

[quartz marsh]

do you have any opinion on game8 guide?

[fleet knot]

because she is a diona level main dps
every theory crafter out there pretty quickly realized that the only place where she has relative value is as a cryo battery or a nuke/sub dps

yet seka was not only blind to this, but insistent to the contrary

[marble atlas]

who gaf lmao

"he's bad, he has aloy main dps instead of following what everyone else says?!"

the rest make sense but this is just confusing to me

people run main dps that go against the norm all the time so I genuinely don't understand why that was included

[fleet knot]

he is a theory crafter who seemingly takes himself seriously, so to give such warped guides and recommendations is extremely bad

no theory crafter should ever recommend amber or diona main dps
people can run it, sure
but leave that for tectone or moga or tenha, people who arent focused on making guide content

he is in a different position from them

[fleet knot]

id stray away from online website guides, every one ive seen has ranged from ok to extremely incorrect

[marble atlas]

given all that it makes sense to a degree, I'm not sure of what he says, I don't watch him at all

but if he's just main aloy for the fun of it then

[fleet knot]

na he hasnt played aloy since she released except maybe for something with shenhe, that was him picking up the character and making recommendations on how people should "effectively use her"

[quartz marsh]

i somewhat agree, he once said that childe is bad

then i fullstar my abyss because of him lol

[fleet knot]

he genuinely thinks kokomi does more dps than childe

"kokomi NA = childe NA and kokomi clam = childe burst"

it takes a certain level of completely ignoring how a unit works to even consider such a proposition

[marble atlas]

they both can't crit they are equal

[fleet knot]

[oblique pelican]

For kokomi, at least you know you can't crit

[quartz marsh]

i dunno what everyone is talking about childe cant crit, i crit all the time

[marble atlas]

it's a meme lol

honestly.. mine never crits, but I can't remember if his rate is low or not

[quartz marsh]

you know he crits when riptide/slash applied

[tired burrow]

mine always crits on regular skill but has NEVER critted on a burst 😀

with 75 cr 😀

[quartz marsh]

mine is 60 crits most of the time

[fluid orbit]

How good is my lvl70/80 yunjin? I gave her my old albedo pieces and 2pc husk I had lying around

[worthy oyster]

Guys, Widsith/Solar Pearl/Oathsworn eye for Miko?

[fleet knot]

widsith is cracked

id be surprised if that was not her best

but i havent seen the calcs yet

[worthy oyster]

my only gripe is its passive uptime

[fleet knot]

yeah but even during downtime its still good because crit damage

[severe vine]

????

dimwit

diona came home after 30pity

now my 33fates become 2fates

need build for her

[marble atlas]

i use favonius warbow on her (since i dont have sacrificial bow)

2pc Tenacity 2pc Maiden

[silent tulip]

HP%, HP%, HP%
Sacrificial for shield+Battery
Favonius for Team battery
Recurve for strong shield
2pc ToM 2pc Maiden is probs the best set

[serene nacelle]

can someone help me build yae miko pls : )

nvm ig 😦

[safe barn]

4p emblem/4p ts

atk/electro/crit

standard stuff

if no emblem 2pglad/2p shim/2p tf

[dusky furnace]

is it okay to use 2no 2gf?

[oblique pelican]

Does anyone know how triple em on jean compare to crit build?

[void escarp]

congratss!

[stoic trellis]

хахахахахах

[safe barn]

2no isn't good

60% of her damage is from e

[rustic lily]

should a bennett have good crit rate/dmg ratio? or as long as the ER is good?

my ER before is 178% but had to change artif so it'll reach atleast 200%

[fleet knot]

well the crit ratio is definitely not good
but the er is good and thats what matters most for bennett

and when you crit itll be juicy ig

[rustic lily]

thanks! guess I gotta farm more, wannagive bennett a good ratio

[fleet knot]

msr is the way to go then

if you ever get the chance to snag one

[void escarp]

that’s such a perfect support bennett 🗿

idk how i managed to balance these, tbh

[fleet knot]

thats a pretty funny stat lineup tbh

40k hp with good crit stats, if not a slightly warped ratio

but then 1k attack

[fleet loom]

opinions on my raiden build that im going to have when i get her?

she also has fav polearm atm but i need a new one

[fleet knot]

well if you get raiden

[fleet loom]

i have guaranteed

[fleet knot]

i think shes a higher priority user for the catch than xiangling

so i'd go for that

and if youre using an er timepiece and the catch

[fleet loom]

i am using an er timepiece

[fleet knot]

it will be very difficult for an electro goblet to beat an atk goblet

so you might want to hunt for some atk goblets

[fleet loom]

yeah im trying to get a better flower and goblet

i have a perfect goblet that would work for raiden but the problem is that its an offpiece

and its currently for eula

[fleet knot]

uh what

your eula is using an atk goblet?

[fleet loom]

i dont have a good physical dmg bonus goblet

bc pale flame hates me

[fleet knot]

i dont think a physical goblet would have to be good to be worth it for eula

[fleet loom]

i mean my eula does need an upgrade to her build

[fleet loom]

im using xiangling rn for her to occupy the artifacts and the build

[modest lily]

Ayato Bennett Zhongli and (Xiangling for reverse vape n pyro resonance or Yun Jin for normal attacks buff n geo resonance?)

[fleet knot]

wdym, we dont know anything about ayato 🕵️

||i really dont see ayato being a single-carry unit, because of how his burst buff works and what his build would likely be, his downtime would be absolutely massive for a relatively quick dps window compared to every other dps unit, screaming that he is a sub dps to be paired with another unit to reduce his e cd||

||it depends on the mechanics of how his CDR works and how his scalings turn out, split scaling between atk% and hp% makes it really hard to judge him without direct testing or math which has not been done yet||

also definitely no zhongli if his description is to be trusted

[modest lily]

how about xiangling the vape dps

his burst to apply hydro for xiang

[fleet knot]

i have a very hard time imagining that he's better than childe for that

[modest lily]

yeah don't have to be better than childe

as long as its possible?

[livid burrow]

@fleet loom raiden without c2 is only good as offield dps or support

But go for booba sword

[modern raven]

Are Tenha and Enviosity good channels?

like when it comes to their advice

[fleet knot]

Not really

Especially tenha

His account reviews are like "you should 90 your characters, you should crown your talents"
Both of which are immediately kinda wrong

[alpine blade]

Can u guys recommend build for Yae Miko and her Team?

[fleet knot]

Not fully sure about builds or teams outside of Raiden, but I did want to talk to falthis about smth

[gilded dock]

it's not even been 24 fucking hours
if you want good-quality advice, you gotta wait at least a week

[fleet knot]

So I think that generally, EM is currently being underrated for her

And if it's possible to stack a good amount of EM while losing minimal E damage, the damage gained from reactions is going to be pretty significant

[gilded dock]

but the most likely to get good results, because of her Q being jacked, might just be 4ESF.

[fleet knot]

Not really no

[alpine blade]

Her Q is 22 Second Cooldown

[fleet knot]

All her q showcases have genuinely been a bit underwhelming imo, esp for a 22s cooldown which means you can't even use it every rotation

Like the highest I saw was 700k total damage or something like that

Obviously it's good but that's not what a nuke character could do, so that's a bonus rather than a focus

[gilded dock]

her Q also has like a 1.7k%+ scaling at level 6

and with kagura's verity, you cover the E damage

or just use widsith

[gilded dock]

and, AS I SAID, the high quality of suggestions you are currently expecting will take at minimum a week of theorycrafting

but yeah, level 10 Q has a 2271% Scaling

[fleet knot]

Yeah, and it's still only like 30ish % of her damage

So better uptime, better burst, better dps, and better reactions
No snapshotting aka less strict rotations

[warped tulip]

Got a question i am currently maining ningguang would it be better for me to wait and get kazuha or get a 5 star dps/yae miko. Have a 5 star weapon that increase attack % and ning at c3

[fleet knot]

Well kazuha doesn't help Ning at all

But you need 2 teams for abyss

Yae doesn't really fit in any typical Ning teams either

[modern raven]

is prototype good for fischl as sub dps??

[fleet loom]

i mean, she can still be a sub dps

plus im not particularly making her a main dps

more of a sub dps/battery & support

[modern raven]

how do freeze teams deal damage?

[ocean ember]

What do you mean?

I mean, other than well... dealing damage by attacking, using skills and bursts

[modern raven]

freeze by itself doesn't deal damage

so do they just freeze and then do generic attacks

[ocean ember]

Yeah, most cryo units meant to be the main source of damage have really high raw damage

Plus on freeze teams you also kinda depend on VV shred

Also, enemies being frozen means they can't move so you don't need to spend time dodging

[modern raven]

could barbara work with Ayaka for freeze support?

if say mona and xingqiu aren't available

[ocean ember]

If you have nothing better, yeah. Best support is Mona, followed by Xingqiu (though XQ means focusing more on her attacking on field, which isn't her forte)

Kokomi is around the same level of usefulness as XQ I'd say, as she has the second best off-field hydro application

But yeah, Barbara can suffice

[modern raven]

also as another support for Ayaka would Diona or Shenhe be better?

[ocean ember]

If you're running Barbara, I'd say Shenhe. Though make sure you can ult off-cooldown with Ayaka without Diona.

[modern raven]

so put energy recharge on Ayaka

[ocean ember]

Or use Amenoma

You still want to prioritise offensive stats on Ayaka, but she loses a lot of dps (as in damage per second) if she can't ult off-cooldown

[modern raven]

my brother has ayaka and shenhe so i was wondering what would be best for his team

and he is using anemona for ayaka so yeah

• 4 blizzard

does shenhe have good or bad particle generation?

[ocean ember]

Yeah, 4p BS is the way to go with Ayaka

And I'm not sure about that, sorry. I don't have Shenhe.

[modern raven]

would you consider sucrose or kazuha to be a better vv/em support?

also for physical keqing, which characters to group with?

[ocean ember]

Sucrose vs Kazuha depends on the team

Kazuha is better for freeze (though Venti is generally a bit better than him, due to the better grouping). Sucrose doesn't have much use in freeze, other than holding VV.

For teams that rely heavily in reactions, Sucrose tends to be better (though if Kazuha is C2, then they're pretty much equal)

On electro-charged though, Sucrose is basically always better, but that's also because she is usually the driver of those teams

On teams like Xiangling national (with either XQ or Childe), Hu Tao with a second pyro unit to swirl pyro and Diluc, for example, afaik Kazuha tends to perform a bit better, but they're pretty equal. As far as I know, I might be wrong. C2 Kazuha though I'd say is almost always better.

[modern raven]

and for physical keqing, i mean cryo especially for triggering superconduct

[ocean ember]

For physical Keqing, you need a cryo unit. Could be Diona, Rosaria, Kaeya. Outside of that, imo is pretty flexible as you long as you don't mess with the reaction (superconduct). An anemo unit though is kinda wasted, as you can't shred physical res with that. Zhongli can be a good flex spot though, as his shield does shred physical res.

[modern raven]

would you say that noelle is an inferior version of zhongli

[ocean ember]

No

Noelle can be used as support, but is better as dps (though kinda requires C6)

Plus Zhongli has the universal shred with the shield, she doesn't

[modern raven]

i thought noelle shield and zhongli shield were both geo?

and geo = equal resistance to all?

[ocean ember]

No, the shred I'm talking about is a shred on the enemy

This means, the resistance of the enemies near Zhongli's shield is reduced by 20% (all elemental and physical res)

[modern raven]

ah

[ocean ember]

Any shield of any element will resist damage of any type

Though most elemental shields, like say Diona's for example, do have better resistance to its element (Diona's shield absorbs cryo damage 250% better iirc)

[modern raven]

is xiao really that f2p-unfriendly?

[modern raven]

Yes.

[ocean ember]

Hmmm I wouldn't say he's unplayable if you're f2p, it's just that his best team, afaik, is all 5*s (Jean/Albedo/Zhongli) and his f2p weapons are mediocre. He can be played effectively with other teams ofc, and blackcliff isn't that bad, but he's not f2p-friendly.

I'd say, for example, Itto is even less f2p friendly, though not by much.

[modern raven]

Don’t invest for Xiao unless you can afford Pjs, Deathmatch, or blackcliff pole in the stardust shop

[ocean ember]

Plus, Xiao has a new set tailored for him coming, so it'll be better

[modern raven]

also along the way, i got jade spear unintentionally. Who could I put it on that isn't a 5-star?

Any polearm tbh

Its pretty good

[ocean ember]

Depends

[modern raven]

But only for a dps build

like i said a few days ago right now i'm using it on my xiangling because my fishing luck hasn't been great so my catch is only r2

[ocean ember]

It's a good weapon, but for characters like Xiangling, The Catch is still better afaik

Not sure for Raiden though

[modern raven]

Staff of homa sword version when

Or any

Homa is like the universal good polearm

so should i use my catch over jade for xiangling even though my catch is still only r2?

[ocean ember]

Probably never, as Homa was tailored for Hu Tao lmao

It's good, but it's not that universal

[modern raven]

💞Use whatever your heart feels is right💞

[ocean ember]

Most of the characters can't make use of the HP passive to begin with, but it's CDMG is good, so it's a crit stick

[ocean ember]

I'd do tests in-game

Though if you have trouble getting her ult back, I'd go with The Catch

[modern raven]

who is the best healer in the game right now?

from my knowledge it is barbara and diona

[urban plaza]

Kokomi♥️

[ocean ember]

Raw healing? Probs Kokomi

Utility, Bennett and Diona

[modern raven]

i forgot about kokomi

lol

[urban plaza]

🥲

Poor Koko

[ocean ember]

Jean is also pretty good, and Qiqi is now a bit better with the clam set

[modern raven]

next character we know is getting a rerun?

[ocean ember]

We don't know, it's not confirmed

But it's rumoured to be any combination of Venti, Klee, Ayaka and Yoimiya. Could be 2 or 3 of them.

If you mean this patch, Raiden and Kokomi come after Yae.

[autumn geyser]

should i prioritize building sara over fixing my bennet?

[ocean ember]

Depends on what you need to fix. Both only need base attack for their buffs, not sure about Sara but at least the only other requirement Bennett has is ER.

[autumn geyser]

my bennys kinda eh rn

570 base and 211.5 er

[ocean ember]

But what is he missing? Tbh for him to be functional, you only need ER

Eh, he could use more ER indeed but base attack can't be fixed with artefacts so

Unless you plan on levelling a weapon with higher base attack, you can only increase his ER

[autumn geyser]

i can normally get his burst up cause he has favonius

but only 32% crit

[ocean ember]

I'd honestly change his weapon

Iirc, favonius has a rather low base attack

What AR are you?

[autumn geyser]

56 💀

[ocean ember]

Oh alksdjlasd

[autumn geyser]

YEAH

i havent changed benny since i stopped being a fishcl main at ar 46

[ocean ember]

Well, I'd give him a higher base attack weapon and make sure he stays at least over 200% ER

[autumn geyser]

so refarm artis

4p nb?

[ocean ember]

If you do refarm, yeah, though I recommend getting them through the strongbox instead

[autumn geyser]

no cause i have like a bunhc of decent artiss

but no fodder to level most of them up

[ocean ember]

But tbh my rather unbuilt Bennett has 756 base attack with rancour and 200% ER, and his ER sands is lvl 12

[autumn geyser]

i could give him ayakas

5p nb

[autumn geyser]

my only rancors on jean

[ocean ember]

Curious as to why you have NO on Ayaka alskdja but yeah, if it has enough ER, you probably should

[autumn geyser]

IT WAS THE ONLY ONES THAT ROLLED GOOD

and it does really nice dmg

[ocean ember]

I'd put it on Bennett instead, unless you're running a main physical dps Jean xD

[autumn geyser]

i dont use jean

shes lvl 70 and has max talents

[ocean ember]

Then rancour being on Jean isn't a problem I guess

You can just switch it to Bennett

[autumn geyser]

i just lost so much er

[ocean ember]

Yeah, you'd need to adjust artefacts ofc

[autumn geyser]

im at 188.6

[ocean ember]

But idk alskdja if what you have already works for you, don't change it

[autumn geyser]

ill do a handuful of runs

if i get noice stuff ill swap it

[ocean ember]

Good luck then!

[autumn geyser]

thx!

[slim ibex]

Is Jade Cutter good for Ayaka?

[ebon otter]

it’s definitely usable, i have her on jade cutter and she does fine

[strong geyser]

i finally got em sands but it forces my hu tao to have 26k hp is that okay?

i went from 4k atk to 3k

[upper sable]

yap it is ok as long as her performance increases no need to worry

[grand kestrel]

okay, how good is Kagura's Verity for people that are not Yae? I can see it being useful on Sucrose but I'm not sure if any other catalyst characters can really obtain 3 stacks regularly.

[upper sable]

about every unit can benefit from it not in such an extended as Ye but it is probably a great catalist on many unit Ning and Klee can use with great success and the others that cant proc the effect as consistently just get a huge stat stick

[grand kestrel]

I mean as a stat stick it's pretty obviously going to be useful for any damaging catalyst, but to get the most out of it yes. I don't think Ningguang would get as much out of it simply because her gate doesn't actually deal much damage making the stacks themselves less valuable.

[bleak river]

Ning apparently with the right timing can get 3 stacks

[river ore]

@bleak river has leveled up to LEVEL 18

[bleak river]

With burst resetting e

[grand kestrel]

Klee yes, Sucrose yes, I'm not doubting that she can get the stacks, just that she's losing out on the benefit the stacks provide by themselves.

[upper sable]

her gate does alot of dmg i don't know what your on about 😄

[grand kestrel]

I also don't use her so maybe she's just written badly as to indicate what the skill actually does. 😛

[upper sable]

well it does alot of dmg and in the case os sucrose sure if she is a main dps it is possible but there are so many options better then vanity on her that i personally don't see a reason to o for that wep over the 4star options

[grand kestrel]

Mona could also likely take advantage of it.

I'm not saying I'd put it on her, just that she could use it.

and actually trigger the 3 stack bonus

[strong geyser]

Um it didnt rven get better

went from 1 to 2

now she does less im confused

[grand kestrel]

I guess Lisa could also use it

Really the only one who could not reasonably get 3 stacks is Barbara. That's promising.

Hu Tao's skill and burst damage are both influenced by her max HP.

[strong geyser]

Ya but i did more em bc ppl said more em is damage increase more than hp but now she does less i feel betrayed

[grand kestrel]

em requires reactions to be of value

[strong geyser]

yes

i was using vap

[grand kestrel]

go beat up on a hydro slime and see how it feels. Lol

[strong geyser]

does she not vap every hit with xq ult?

[grand kestrel]

no idea, I don't have her, and I don't use XQ to vape. 😛

[bleak river]

Vapes every charged attack at least

Idk about burst

Since I use shim hutao

[strong geyser]

doesnt seem like it for me

[bleak river]

Rly?

[strong geyser]

i was doing 80k ca ( geo reso ) to now 68k or 70k

60- 190 em

33k hp- 26khp

[ocean ember]

It's usable, but not recommended unless for some reason you're not running 4p BS.

[silent tulip]

||PJC might be useful for ayayo if the leaks are true tho||
||Like... y'know HP scaling and all||

[bleak river]

Ye

[gilded dock]

according to leaks, it's really minimal

[rigid crater]

Who's the best electro dps unit available?

[modern raven]

Fischl period

Jk

Or not….

[marble atlas]

Fischl hands down

[silent tulip]

Uh

Raiden ig

[fleet knot]

no

amenoma is better and a craftable 4*

[ebon otter]

should i go for more or should i settle

[rigid crater]

Only dps elements that are miss are electro, cryo and hydro

I'm thinking about pulling Raiden, Ayaka and Ayato

[fleet knot]

le funny almost 50k
you'd probably be better off with a hydro goblet and hb circlet if you can manage

[ebon otter]

i guess i can farm a bit more

[fleet knot]

this is, ofc, only if you like using her actual burst
if you only use her e and leave her off field

then triple hp is basically good

[ebon otter]

up until recently i had skyward because she did a bit more dmg and i didnt mind bc her healing is fine at 41k hp

[fleet knot]

but if you use her normal attacks n stuff, then her damage scales better with healing bonus than with hp

and ofc damage bonus is better than excess hp aswell

[ebon otter]

i guess i can have a seperate build for domains

clam sets keep rolling into crit and i dont plan on building critkomi

[fleet knot]

sadge

but also same

[ebon otter]

also

should i put yunjin on 2pc husk 2pc noblesse or 4pc noblesse

[fleet knot]

yunjin doesnt care about burst damage bonus

so 4 noblesse or some combination of 2husk, 2def, 2sf is what she would use

or even instructor maybe? dunno about that one

[ebon otter]

isn’t instructor em bonus or something

[fleet knot]

yeah, its for the other units

[upper sable]

I use 2 husk 2 emblem for the regeneration

[fleet knot]

yunjin does practically 0 damage

[ebon otter]

i have 2pc noblesse because those are the only def main stats i have rn

[upper sable]

ok are you testing them in the same condition what your testing is vap charge attack (always vaps with xq) on 100 and under 50% if it doesn't do more dmg with no additional buffs just swap back to hp the em increase is not very big to begin with and the difference in dmg almost unnoticeable in my openion so if she does less dmg for you stick back to what you had

also do it on the same mob or boss to reduce level and stat differences

[upper sable]

dude whatever works for you if you have that and thats the best stat base you can give her thats what you go with the thing she cares about is the def and the second set is a compliment in ur case its like you have just one 2pc set but as long as she boost its fine

[ebon otter]

almost 8k...

[fleet knot]

my level 1 qiqi heals for 2.7

[upper sable]

are you running a healing set ?

[ebon otter]

triple hp

[upper sable]

same but i run a mililith and i think she heals around 5-6 k

[ebon otter]

this is with double hydro and her talent is crowned

[upper sable]

oh makes sense

it is not really important tbh i was just curious

[ebon otter]

LMAO it’s alright

[strong geyser]

i already accidentally got rid of it but i did in same condiotions and it was still less, ill just keep it tho

is it a good build rn

[upper sable]

i would personally trade some of the cd for cr but at this pont of the build i guess its a hard thing to do i can show you mine but mine on the other half leans to the othe extreme too much cr 😄

[strong geyser]

i dont know what u mean by at this poiint of the build but ya show me urs

[upper sable]

what i mean is you artifacts are very good and upgrading them will take you alot of time for very small improvements

[modern raven]

Guys can u guys tell me what sets should i give yaemiko??

[upper sable]

for me 2 glad 2 shim is good enough

[modern raven]

Hmm

[strong geyser]

HOW DO U HAVE SO MUCH EM AND HP

[modern raven]

Can i give yaemiko 4pc shime or 4pc emblem??

[upper sable]

you cna give her 4 emblem but not 4 shim

i would stick to 2pc 2pc though

[modern raven]

Hmm ok

[upper sable]

like 2 fury 2wand 2 nobles is fine

depends on what part of her kit you want to boost as there is no strict 4pc best set its mix and match

[river ore]

@upper sable has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[modern raven]

@upper sable how about this i give her 2pc glad and 2pc shime

[strong geyser]

HOW DO U DO THAT

[fleet knot]

you lost 7k hp

which is lots of attack

[strong geyser]

yes

[upper sable]

there is a website on the picture

[modern raven]

Probably this guy is a whale or have a godlike lucky guy

[upper sable]

102% cr is abit too much but looks amazing

[modern raven]

I got too many godlike artifacts

[bleak river]

What a flex

[modern raven]

Weapon is ofc the kagura

[upper sable]

i would not say its godly 😄 i would say if you go in the golden house build showcase im average at best 😄

[strong geyser]

Godly

How do u do the pics

[bleak river]

Shinshin.moe

[upper sable]

shinshin .moe

[modern raven]

This should be consider a flex,this is my zhongli flower

[upper sable]

uu

[bleak river]

I-

Wth

[modern raven]

[upper sable]

i raise you this

[modern raven]

Uu

Kinda good

[upper sable]

i have 2 of those 😄

[modern raven]

[upper sable]

like how to get good stats on the one item you don't need them on

[modern raven]

Hmm wdyt??

[upper sable]

respect i have a pal that mains keqing since release he would love that one 😄

[modern raven]

I main geo mc tho

[upper sable]

if you enjoy the unit

[strong geyser]

I farmed months for this btw my artifact rng is BAD

that was fun

[modern raven]

Still need more books

[upper sable]

it looks great to me i have the mindset to not over-invest in any one unit as new sets tend to come out that invalidate old ones

[strong geyser]

I am not farming a new set ever even if she gets some super op one

[upper sable]

ah well i might farm the husk for albedo eventually

[strong geyser]

I farmed like 2 fragile resin and got what i need for him, but ill never level him past 70

its a good domain

[upper sable]

it usually depends on what are the two sets since oyu know CW only has one good set in it your kinda waisiting to much resin for too litle of a benefit

[modern raven]

The anemo traveler i gave him 4pc vv with 176/65 crits and 2.3k atk base
Geo traveler i give him glad and archaic with 197/72 crits and 2.7k atk base
Electro traveler i give 4pc emblem with 152/54 crits with 2.1k

What do u think

[upper sable]

amazing

[strong geyser]

traveler can use 4pc emblem?

[modern raven]

Electro yes he can

[strong geyser]

does quickswap emblem keqing exist

[upper sable]

her ult doesn't exactly need alot of energy so no 😄

[modern raven]

Nah dosent need that much

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[strong geyser]

why does that affect it

cus idk whta to do with c2 keqing

[upper sable]

if you cant get over the 35% dmg increase of 2pc elemental set 2pc nobles without over-investing in er there is no point to run emblem

[strong geyser]

wha

[upper sable]

2pc nobless gives you flat 20% dmg increase fury 15%% electro dmg thats 35% dmg

[modern raven]

@upper sable can u think what weapon does my traveler use

For each element

[upper sable]

black sword ?

[modern raven]

On what element do u think i used black sword to

[upper sable]

i would use it on all but electro tbh

i would use festering there

😄

[modern raven]

Incorrect

I used black sword on Geo traveler

[upper sable]

i see

[modern raven]

Electro traveler i give him skyward blade

Anemo i give him jade cutter

[upper sable]

oh i did not consider any 5star weps though

anyways i will be dipping since we turned this to chat it is build discussion after all

[modern raven]

The electro traveler i give him low crits cuz i just make him a battery for my other characters

[modern raven]

Ok

[fleet loom]

opinions on this team comp im thinking of doing

childe, raiden, bennett, venti

[coral siren]

any yae comps guys

[rustic lily]

for xiangling as sub support, 4pc noblesse or 4pc emblem?

[gilded dock]

not even a question: 4ESF

[rich pier]

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I've been having a lot of fun with this team, infinite overload reactions

[coral siren]

i wish i have venti and sayu

[rich pier]

can probably work with sucrose or kazuha as well

[fleet knot]

sayu is goated for overworld teams

though if someone is asking about a team comp im not sure overworld is exactly what theyre looking for

[rich pier]

Solar pearl Yae is my first consistent build with 80% CR and I'm loving it

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[fleet knot]

pog

[rich pier]

0EM though

[fleet knot]

dont sleep on em, true
its not only good for her skill damage, but reactions can be quick significant with some em stacking

[rich pier]

My venti gives 100EM from Elegy passive and I've considered swapping Sayu for my C6 Diona for extra 200EM, but might mess with the Overload reactions

[fleet knot]

i wish hypercarry yae was more viable

doesnt really feel like it rn though

[rich pier]

I think C0 Yae is just a worse Beidou that's a lot more stationary and single traget, but she's still fun

[coral siren]

bro

my yae did 18k on the tree lv50

per strike

q

[rich pier]

C6 Yae can do some pretty nasty dmg, but not worth it except if you really love the character and are gonna keep playing her forever

[oblique pelican]

That, and also if you're a human trafficker

[fleet knot]

hard to imagine that c6 yae is worth when c2 raiden exists and is probably still better

[rich pier]

You could get C2 Raiden, C2 Kazuha and a C0 Ganyu instead of C6 Yae

[bleak river]

Much more worth

[rich pier]

Fill that up with some of the broken OG4 Stars and you'll be 36 starring Abyss permanently

[coral siren]

is atk percentage better

or is electro dmg bonus better

[fleet knot]

for a goblet, there are very very few cases where you want something other than elemental/physical damage bonus

[coral siren]

hoping i get a cr cd goblet

and it rolls into both

[fleet knot]

not possible

o

substats

[coral siren]

with electro bonus

wdym not possible

[fleet knot]

i thought you were talking about the main stat

only circlets can have a crit main stat

[rich pier]

Lol, I reworked my Thoma cause he's now C6 and these are his new stats with triple hp% main stat artifacts

4 NO and R5 favonius Lance

[fleet knot]

less than 30k hp with triple hp%?
:S

well, fav lance
but still

why would they make him an hp scaling unit with low base hp like that

[oblique pelican]

Because people were okay with diona?

[rich pier]

Cryo dmg bonus Ascension stat🤣

[strong vortex]

is this possible ??

[fleet knot]

Yes

7.766*6 is 46.6% crit damage

So that is the most you can get on one artifact

And 39 < 46

[late plaza]

i am in need of a pyro dps and dont know whether i should build yanfei (i have skyward atlas for her) or diluc as the main one

i would think too but idk if the 5* wep on yanfei would change anything

[modern raven]

hu tao

[late plaza]

yeah long term saving up for her c1

[modern raven]

just wait til halloween she will prob appear somewhere around that date

ohok

it was a joke btw lol

[late plaza]

it appears there are not many qiqi users lol

[urban plaza]

If I am not wrong, you can go 2 ways with her

One is an easy and fast build

Stack atk, and healing bonus
ignore the sub stats

Or you can have hybrid
Build her well and maybe use atk gob and Hb cirlet

Or build her as you would build a dps

I'd recommend ATK goblet because of better heals, and since her cryo application isn't very nice

ER substats would be nice, because her particle generation isn't so good. I think C1 helps with ER too

And the Ocean Hued Clam set

Because heals, and additional damage every now and then

[fleet knot]

xiangling is debatably the best pyro dps in the game

use that information as you will

4p clam set, use her on field as a driver for other units like beidou and xingqiu in a taser comp perhaps
she'll deal good physical damage with the clam procs, might be interesting
or you can just use her like a passive healer, in which case there is nothing special to do, you just click e and q sometimes

[void escarp]

❗️

[wise oak]

NICEE

[late plaza]

she is currently occupied in ganyu team

[fleet knot]

das aight
just letting you know

[rich pier]

He's still level 78 so at 90 I think he might hit 30k, but yeah his base hp is like a bow/catalyst user🙈

[leaden jolt]

For Yae, which one is best weapon?

• Skyward Atlas
• Lost Prayer
• Widsith
• New B4 event

[fleet knot]

probably widsith im ngl

[leaden jolt]

yea I think that too

Im wrong to up my lost prayer first

[modern raven]

My builds>>>>>

[tired burrow]

2pc Noblesse 2 thundering ok for yae?

[fleet knot]

If your artifacts for it are very good then sure

But I wouldn't recommend that before many other sets

Like glad, sr

[modern raven]

I have three pyro characters that I use, which are Diluc, Xiangling and Bennett. They are all 70/70. Who should I prioritize ascending next?

[ocean ember]

Most likely Xiangling, as she's at a better position rn than Diluc. Then Bennet. But tbh you should think about if you'd benefit more from the ascension (like, are you gonna level up talents?) or from levelling weapons/getting better artefacts (assuming you're at least AR45).

[autumn geyser]

yae rec? anyone

[marble ridge]

Widsith weapon, 2 piece glad 2 piece thundering

Level up burst and skill to 6

Na only if ur going dps yae

[bleak river]

2pc glad and shim also works

[autumn geyser]

i have vierity and im running 2p tf and 2p glad

would it be worth it to swap to widsity

[bleak river]

Kaguras has higher average dmg whereas widsith has higher peak dmg but lower baseline dmg

iirc

[autumn geyser]

im trying to build her where i dont have to rng literally everything

so imma stick with kaguras

also my widsith is lvl 40

and im out of stuff to level

[bleak river]

Since you got kaguras you might as well use it

[autumn geyser]

theres no guides out

and i hate it

[bleak river]

It's been less than a week since her release

What did you expect

I mean there are a few out on yt

[autumn geyser]

i expected whales

to do the whale thingy

[silent rivet]

I saw someone play Yae as Nuke, 1 Million

[autumn geyser]

honeslty

idek what sets would do that

shim and gld maybe

or glad and nb

[bleak river]

Definitely noblesse

[solemn lion]

I've seen whales use Thundershooter 4pc

[autumn geyser]

oh you

mfer

i refuse to use ts

[solemn lion]

Ik the domain is annoying

[autumn geyser]

no

love the domian

i just love\

thundering dury

fury*

[solemn lion]

Really?

Okay :')

[autumn geyser]

ive also never had a good arti from that set

so

biased against using it

[solemn lion]

I see I see

2pc thundering fury w 2pc glad or shimenawa can be really good for dps

[autumn geyser]

its been getting me around 27k totem procs

[solemn lion]

But yae needs ER too, so EofSf can be an option

[solemn lion]

Nice

[autumn geyser]

ive been debating

cause fishcl as a battery has been treating me nice

on seeing how often i can go without having to stop rotations

or just going full emblem]

[solemn lion]

Yeah

[autumn geyser]

and stacking er to the roof

[solemn lion]

I run yae with Raiden so I don't need to much ER but I still have a little on the substats

[autumn geyser]

ive been planning on going for ei for her rerun

ive been prefarming for the catch

[solemn lion]

Nice 👍

[autumn geyser]

honestly worried about losng 5050

but if i get a mona

id be happy

[solemn lion]

I lost my 50 50 on yae and got Mona at first :')

I had great misfortune at the fortune slip stand so ouch

But in the end I got her

[autumn geyser]

i was going for

i think it was the character before zhonglu

[solemn lion]

Shenhe?

[autumn geyser]

and i got really high on the pity count

and got worried i wouldnt have enough

[autumn geyser]

elua originally then didnt get her so i defulted to shenhe

ccause she got my rosaria procs up to almost double

which was nice

[solemn lion]

Hmm ok

[autumn geyser]

cause i really wanted yai

yae

and at the time i wasnt planning on spending mone

so it was save save save

yknow?

[bleak river]

I'm hitting 4-5Ks, help me

[autumn geyser]

whats your weapon

artifact sets and substats

and team

[autumn geyser]

ping me when u send

[solemn lion]

I am still waiting for Paimon.moe's build, but if I can contribute to it this way or give advice while waiting for it here are my Yae Miko build recommendations, from what I have seen and tested so far. Note that rankings might not be very accurate but the options mentioned are good overall.

Artifacts:
1 -2 pc thundering fury + 2pc atk for decent dps
2 -4pc thundershooter if really good artifacts
3 -EofSF 4pc if lots of ER
4 -2 pc EofSF + 2pc ATK for decent dps/ER balance
5 -2pc glad + 2pc shimenawa is a good option if you don't have any other artifacts
Stats: ER/ATK/CRIT or ATK/ELECTRO DMG/CRIT.
Substats: CRIT - ER - ATK - EM. Notes: you want at least 150-160 ER or more if you are not running Yae with Raiden or another electro. Having some EM on her might be good as she has a passive that scales of her EM

As for weapons:
1- Kagura's verity
2- R5 widsith (the passive substats will always benefit her, /!\ note that the passive is only active 1/3 of the time)
3- Skyward Atlas
4- Lost prayers to the sacred winds
5- Oathsworn eye (might be a very good option for f2p as it will solve her energy problems)
6- Solar pearl
7- Other ATK/ER weapons (Frostbearer, Hakushin ring, eye of perception, ECT...)

[severe vine]

hi can i ask sum?

which character should i put this?

[rustic lily]

sucrose if ure using her

lisa

[river ore]

Sacrificial Fragments

A weathered script, the text of which is no longer legible. A cursed item eroded by the winds of time.

Composed

After damaging an opponent with an Elemental Skill, the skill has a 40%/50%/60%/70%/80% chance to end its own CD. Can only occur once every 30/26/22s/19/16ss.

Type

Catalyst

Rarity

4 ⭐

Source

Wish

Base ATK

454

Secondary Stat

Elemental Mastery 220.5

​

​

Ascensions Material

Dandelion Gladiator ​ ​ Chaos ​ ​ Treasure Hoarder Insignia

※ Stats numbers are at max level

[gilded dock]

Sac Frags on Sucrose
Give Zhongli the Black Tassel (3star)
stringless on fischl

[severe vine]

ookokoko thank you!!!!

[gilded dock]

and, while I don't generally recomment pulling shenhe, shenhe xingqiu chongyun rosaria is a decent team I guess. or diona over chongyun/xingqiu if you wanna use xq in another team

[rigid crater]

What's the verdict on Bae miko?
She's dps, support, what is she?

[bleak river]

sub dps

@autumn geyser
4535 no buff
5742 atk buff
5928 ele dmg buff
5580 em buff

^from widsith, no external buffs

[rigid crater]

How do people get such good artifacts?

With good substats?

[bleak river]

Get lucky

[rigid crater]

I don't know what I did to rngesus, it's just been 1 shitty artifact after another

[river ore]

@rigid crater has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[gilded dock]

sussy

[rigid crater]

I guess I'm just gonna have to wait for Raiden

[urban plaza]

Honestly, it do be that simple💁‍♂️

[silent tulip]

Tbh same, though i do get the occasional good artifact

[autumn geyser]

mainly burst > sub > if you really want it main

[autumn geyser]

i wouldnt go into em for miko

but thats just how i like to play her

and it honestly seems like you have too much cr

cause anything between 50-100

is just a 50/50

[gilded dock]

I'd also rather have a CD circlet with 4 CR rolls there

[fleet knot]

70+% crit rate is minimum for Cr scaling units to be honest

If you have 200 CD, missing that crit half the time legit cuts your damage by over 30%

[autumn geyser]

swap out one of the wanderers pieces with with a tf piece

and test that out too

[limpid urchin]

how much em Sayu needs?

[fleet knot]

depends of c6 or not

[limpid urchin]

C4

[fleet knot]

then em is not important

[signal tundra]

Those who got Yae, are you using an ATK sands or EM 🤔?

[signal tundra]

The more the merrier! EM really shines at C6, I’d say before C6 you could run ATK/ATK/EM, then for C6 ATK/EM/EM

[gilded dock]

just not worth it from prelim. calcs

[signal tundra]

What’s not worth it

[gilded dock]

em on yae

I LITERALLY replied to that specific querstion

[lusty phoenix]

is yae miko good with eula?

[fleet knot]

id imagine so

barring energy constaints

[gilded dock]

I'd rather grab raiden

[fleet knot]

ive heard that raiden eula when both c0 isnt actually a good combo

or rather, isnt as good as other combos

[bleak river]

That's the thing, I don't have one

[modern raven]

suppose i got a sacrificial sword(R1). should I swap it with my Xingqiu's R4 Favonius?

[bleak river]

Imo ye xq bis is sac sword