🔨・build-discussion

[fleet knot]

na

she doesnt snapshot and stacks dont accumulate off field

they just expire and its over with

and shes not on field long enough to gain stacks either

[gilded dock]

It's her third-best option since its 608 atk and 49.6% atk

So if you dont have CQ or EL, it's decent enough on shenhe

[fleet knot]

i wonder how it compares to a 2 stack lithic

[fleet knot]

i wouldnt cite that

[ripe lake]

my hutao use Dragon's bane R5 Lv90 and that was awesome

[modern raven]

When I pair Diluc's Q with Xingqiu's Q, it is doing proper vaporize (not reverse) right? I've been hearing contradictions.

[fleet knot]

reverse vaporize is when pyro gets applied to a unit who is wet
it multiplies the damage of the pyro attack by 1.5 (excluding EM bonuses)

it also does not remove hydro from the enemy until 2 vaporizes have happened

forward vaporize is when hydro gets applied to a unit who is inflicted with pyro
it multiplies the damage of the hydro attack by 2 excluding EM
it also removes the pyro from the enemy entirely

so reverse vap is "weaker", but is also a lot more consistent because you can reverse vap multiple times

where forward vap is inconsistent or impossible to maintain

so if you xingqiu q
and then diluc q
you are reverse vaping

[modern raven]

so let's get this straight, is Diluc q + Xingqiu q reverse or forward vaporize?

[fleet knot]

if you do it in that order, diluc's burst would get no bonus, and xingqiu would do 1 relatively small forward vap (because he does many small hits)
its recommended to do xingqiu burst first

[modern raven]

yeah that's what i've been doing: Xingqiu first

[fleet knot]

the diluc's burst would be reverse vaping

it would vap 2 hits before clearing the hydro effect, and all the other hits would have no bonus

[modern raven]

I see now so I have been doing it right

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[modern raven]

doing xingqiu before diluc

[fleet knot]

after xingqiu burst, do 1 attack so the guhua swords actually hit first

[modern raven]

do i want to build Xingqiu's EM or Crit DMG/Rate?

[fleet knot]

because xingqiu practically cannot forward vap at all, em is practically a dead stat on him

so the priorities are

get enough ER
build normal carry stats like atk and cr/cd

[modern raven]

are the swords before or after the attack?

[fleet knot]

the swords happen after a normal attack with a small delay, but diluc's burst animation takes longer

also if you use xingqiu q > e, you can diluc q immediately

because xingqiu's e applies hydro aswell

[modern raven]

So if I want to do Xingqiu forward, I do this:

Use Xingqiu Q

Use Xingqiu E

Use Diluc Q

Attack

[fleet knot]

xingqiu will not be vaping, no
because xingqiu e applies hydro, so diluc's burst would vap

[modern raven]

what if i don't use xingqiu e here

[fleet knot]

xingqiu is a really bad unit to make forward vap because he does many small hits, so at best youre forward vaping 1 small hit

[dire elk]

Which is best for ganyu

Freez

Or

Melt

[fleet knot]

freeze is easier to build and higher damage ceiling
melt is better for single target damage / bosses, but is also harder to play

[dire elk]

Ooh

So

Do I go with perm freez

[fleet knot]

the only way to really get xingqiu to forward vap is you use amber q and then xingqiu e, but this is not practical

because it involves using amber

[ebon otter]

LMFAO

[fleet knot]

and forward vaping his burst is practically useless

there is no unit who can consistently forward vap right now
2.6 maybe?

[modern raven]

This is what I've been doing so far:

[dire elk]

835797433530974214

[modern raven]

Use Xingqiu Q

Use Diluc Q

Attack and alternate between normal attack and skill

[fleet knot]

yeah thats the typical

[modern raven]

So is this doing reverse or forward

which one have i been doing so far

[fleet knot]

that is reverse vap

which is the go-to

[modern raven]

is it because diluc's attack animation is slower?

[fleet knot]

no

[fleet knot]

its because of this

[modern raven]

because I would think I am doing pyro with the normal attack(after burst) and then the swords deal vape

[fleet knot]

xingqiu burst sends many swords

= multiple hydro applications

and diluc can only remove .5 hydro application at a time

[modern raven]

Ohhhhh so xingqiu only does like one forward vape and then the rest is reverse

[fleet knot]

if he even does one in the first place, yeah
thats how it would go

thats why forward vap teams arent a thing

[modern raven]

i'm assume the same would happen if i used hu tao in place of diluc too?

[fleet knot]

they cant sustain

exactly

[modern raven]

thx

[fleet knot]

if you want to learn more, tenten on youtube has a "genshin science" playlist with more detail about these mechanics

specifically ICD and EGT, which are the two things at play here

[modern raven]

so build EM and generic for Diluc, and generic only for xingqiu?

what i mean by generic is ATK and Crit dmg/rate

[fleet knot]

yeah

xingqiu is er >> generic

and for hutao, its em + generic but replace attack for hp%

[modern raven]

hu tao is like a glass cannon isn't she

[fleet knot]

her e transfers hp into atk, and it makes it so she gets more attack from building hp than building attack

but the tradeoff is she spends her own hp to get the conversion

[modern raven]

ah

[fleet knot]

hutao also has extremely low base attack, so atk% is less valuable on her as a baseline

however, if you get a 5* weapon, atk% is still ok to get

just not as good as hp

[modern raven]

well now i'll be swapping my er artifacts onto xingqiu with generic as second

and generic for diluc(except for pyro goblet)

[fleet knot]

it also depends on the weapon your xingqiu has
if he has sac sword, that is almost enough ER on its own

yeah damage bonus is the hardest damage stat to get, making it one of the most valuable damage stats to have
in almost every case, your goblet should be the corresponding damage bonus

very very few exceptions

[modern raven]

Xingqiu's using R4 Favonius

i don't have sac

[fleet knot]

hmm, im not super sure if that means xingqiu wants an ER timepiece or not

if you think he has enough energy with an atk% timepiece, then use the atk% one

otherwise ER% is the way to go

[modern raven]

i mean now he needs only about two/three Es to use q

[fleet knot]

the general idea is that you should be able to cast his q on cooldown

because his e has a 20 second cooldown just like his burst (roughly)

so 3 e's means that you need a full minute to cast his burst when it could be 20 or so seconds

[modern raven]

ah

i don't assume hydro dmg bonus is worth it?

[fleet knot]

in the overworld, thats fine
but later, in abyss (where you have to clear both halves in 3 minutes total), uptime is very important

[ocean ember]

It is, imo. It's usually ER/ATK sands, hydro goblet, crit circlet

[fleet knot]

hydro damage bonus is very good for xingqiu, as it increases the damage reduction his e gives

and, ofc, it increases his damage

[modern raven]

if you want to know his current artifacts he has:

[ocean ember]

ER or ATK depending if you can burst off cooldown, in my case, I still need ER sands even with sac sword, considering it's R1 and it triggers half the time.

[modern raven]

hold on let me grab the screenshots

[fleet knot]

heres my xingqiu

[modern raven]

right now i'm trying to get his crit rate up]

[fleet knot]

yee

[modern raven]

i have to eat now but thanks

[fleet knot]

i would not grind artifacts that much until youre ar45+

if at all

[modern raven]

actually right now i am AR50 its just i haven't completed the AR ascension

but i'm gonna go now thx

[fleet knot]

ah, thats fine then
the world level ascension is not important except for fighting bosses

looks like youve neglected arti farming pretty hard huh :P

if youve got fragile, i might recommend burning most of it on SF/SR

[modern raven]

I'm back from dinner. Let's say Bennett isn't available because he's on another team. Would this team work? Diluc + Xingqiu + Sucrose + Fischl? Fischl in the hopes of creating overvapes

[fleet knot]

overvaps are annoying for diluc because he's melee

the more time you have to chase enemies, the less damage youre doing

i like diluc with anemo resonance

reduced cooldowns and stam consumption

also jean is a healer

[terse mountain]

After seeing all the builds, my confidence in my characters is negative

[sweet oak]

yes

[humble pecan]

As of what we've seen so far, would 2pc gladiators + 2pc thundering fury work well for Yae?

[fleet knot]

yeah

[normal wave]

Hello Guys, i just pulled Zhongli from the banner , i got Ganyu also few days after the begin on the event (is it very lucky ? because i feel i didnt put so much effort to get them both)

How to build my ganyu and zhongli to pair together ? My ganyu is DPS
what weapons and artifacts for Zhongli "(free to play)
thank you

i don't have high end artifacts, what stats and substats should i focus for zhongli ?

[ebon otter]

focus hp on zhongli, chuck some crit on if you want some meatball dmg

[fleet knot]

Zhongli can run black tassel and triple hp% artifacts to get a massive shield for very cheap

ganyu's better team is freeze, which needs some more stuff, but you can run ganyu xiangling bennett zhongli as a pretty good melt team

ganyu can run hamayumi or prototype crescent (both craftable) as her best 4* weapons

[normal wave]

this is my team right now yes

[normal wave]

ok so tanky boy

[fleet knot]

i wouldnt worry about leveling artifacts until ar45

maybe the flower for zhongli and the feather for units who do damage

but other than that

[normal wave]

okay thank you ! should i focus to ascend him or leave him level 20 ?

[ebon otter]

you should ascend him

[normal wave]

ok !

[fleet knot]

character level to 60/70 > weapon level > talent level to 6 > artifacts

[ebon otter]

i can help you later if you’d like

[normal wave]

what do you mean ?

[ebon otter]

geo cube?

[fleet knot]

help with grinding bosses or weapon domains

[normal wave]

ah yes, i think i am ok, ganyu is killing everything lol

[ebon otter]

oh niceee

[normal wave]

thank you guys for the help

[autumn geyser]

question

im trying to do a
kokomi + Xinqiu + Sucrose + Fishcl team

would i be able to swap sucrose for jean?

or would jean not be able to pull off enough swirls for this type of team?

[oblique pelican]

Why'd you need jean?

[autumn geyser]

shes like

10 levels higher than sucrose

thats all

[ocean ember]

I'd be against putting Jean there

Double healer is redundant

[oblique pelican]

I mean Sucrose's autos can swirl too

[ocean ember]

And an electro-charged comp kinda relies on swirls

[autumn geyser]

i also have no idea how to build her

and with jean i was just gonna apply the normal em stuff with vv

[ocean ember]

You could make Kokomi the driver but swap out Xingqiu and put someone like Beidou in

Sucrose is triple EM with VV

Jean usually is ATK/Anemo/Crit for sub dps or ATK/ATK/Healing bonus for support

[autumn geyser]

i was thinking xq could battery for koko

[ocean ember]

Triple EM for Jean is rather rare and niche, usually when paired with Bennett to ult together and constantly swirl pyro

Not sure how much of a battery Koko needs but Fischl should be fine

[autumn geyser]

mine only has 125% er

[ocean ember]

Koko or Fischl?

Fischl doesn't need ER to be a battery

[autumn geyser]

my koko

my fishcls pretty good sustaining herself

[ocean ember]

Tbh I'm not sure alksdjal you usually don't want to run double hydro since the resonance is not really good but

If it works for you, but keep Sucrose in

[autumn geyser]

oki

and if i were to swap out xq

i should replace him with beidou?

or swap out koko for beidou

[ocean ember]

With Jean in? Without Sucrose, you'd need a driver, so even if double healing is redundant, I'd keep Koko and swap Beidou in

With Sucrose though, yeah, swap Koko out

[autumn geyser]

yeah im keepigng sucrose

[ocean ember]

With Sucrose, yeah, I think that's the standard tazer comp (Sucrose/XQ/Beidou/Fischl)

[fleet knot]

if you want to run a taser comp

nobody is better than sucrose

and kokomi xingqiu is a tad redundant

[autumn geyser]

the thing is i wanted the jellyfish out as long as possible

and i was gonna run clam with her

so id be able to keep procing the 4p

[oblique pelican]

It's either kokomi or sucrose that's getting switched with Beidou

[ocean ember]

Kokomi or XQ

[fleet knot]

if you want to prioritize on-field kokomi because you want to use her regardless, then you can go for it
it'd be aight

[ocean ember]

You need swirl on an electro-charged

[fleet knot]

but if youre looking just at output, sucrose is borderline non-negotiable

[autumn geyser]

am i correct in assuming i should run rainslasher on beidou

[fleet knot]

its an option

[autumn geyser]

or should i go with something else?

[fleet knot]

not sure if its optimal

[ocean ember]

It's an okay option

[fleet knot]

chances are running a weapon you've already leveled is just fine if not better

[ocean ember]

Luxurious sealord is better imo if you have it

[autumn geyser]

fish is lvl 90

[ocean ember]

But yeah, if you already have it levelled, it's fine

[autumn geyser]

so ill go with that

ill jsut find diluc a new weapon

[oblique pelican]

Isn't the rainslasher better than the fish for diluc?

[fleet knot]

probably

[ocean ember]

If this is for the abyss and you're using both at the same time (different teams), you may want to keep fish on Diluc

[autumn geyser]

this is indeed for abyss

[ocean ember]

Maybe, but if they were running Diluc without XQ, I doubt it

What other claymores do you have?

And which ones are levelled already?

[oblique pelican]

People run diluc without XQ?

[ocean ember]

They were running Kokomi/XQ/Sucrose/Fischl

[autumn geyser]

fish , archaic , rainslasher, snowtombed

and i have a sac

but its not leveled

[ocean ember]

Rainslasher on Diluc and fish on Beidou, but always run Diluc with XQ

[autumn geyser]

i have more theyre just level one

[ebon otter]

NOT EVEM LV20 FOR THE WISH

[autumn geyser]

so koko beidou sucrose fish?

[ocean ember]

If you happen to have serpent spine, I'd recommend levelling that up though

[autumn geyser]

no but i do have an r5 debate club

[ocean ember]

Yeah, that teamcomp is fine

Do stay with fish and rainslasher xD

[autumn geyser]

will do

should i build diluc em

or should i leave that to xq

[ocean ember]

Hmm Diluc is the one triggering so EM in XQ is wasted but I'm not well versed on building Diluc xD

I'd guess if you happen to have a bit of EM on substats it would be fine

Especially since, iirc, Rainslasher already has EM

But afaik, Diluc is ATK/Pyro/Crit

Don't know if EM sands would work, guess in some situations

[autumn geyser]

i wont go for an em sands

but if one of the ones i have does more dps

[oblique pelican]

The EM from RS should be enough

[autumn geyser]

ill probs stick with that

[ocean ember]

Ultimately yeah, nothing beats testing your damage in-game

[autumn geyser]

tysm for this

its been really helpful

[ocean ember]

Don't worry! Glad we could help

[autumn geyser]

would a good diluc team be

diluc, xq, benny, xianling?

or is that too much pyro

[ocean ember]

Hmmm I would swap Xiangling out something like another VV user if you happen to have one (though Jean + Bennett would imo be redundant also)

[autumn geyser]

the only other anemo character i have is sayu

and do you think id be able to swap either fish or beidou for yae? Or would i have to test that out to see how it affects the team comp

[ocean ember]

Hmmmm Kaeya could work for the occasional melt from Diluc too

[coral siren]

so if there is a waaaayyyy

to collect and potray

[autumn geyser]

hmm i forgot about kaeya

[urban plaza]

Kaeya👀
Hmmm

[coral siren]

a mood that cannot be projected into words

[ocean ember]

About that idk, I haven't seen much about her kit personally but maybe, if she can apply enough electro from off-field

[autumn geyser]

id personally rather use rosearia if i needed a cyro user

[oblique pelican]

Weed?

[ocean ember]

Rosaria could work too

[coral siren]

no

[autumn geyser]

she has three oz like things

[coral siren]

you guys are not getting the reference

[autumn geyser]

so id assume she'd be able to work as a replacement burst dps

[ocean ember]

So Kokomi/Sucrose/Fischl/Beidou on one side and Diluc/XQ/Bennett/Rosaria on the other seems solid imo

[bleak river]

It seems she ticks kinda slowly tho

[ocean ember]

Yeah, I know about the totems, but not sure how her whole kit wraps up yet. You'd replace Beidou though since I've heard her burst cost is pretty high.

[bleak river]

Mhm

[autumn geyser]

ight i now have several characters to builld, thankfully i already have miko farmed out

thank uu

[ocean ember]

Yw! Most importantly though, have fun with whatever comp you decide to run!

[autumn geyser]

should i switch one of my favonius swords off of xq and bennet

[bleak river]

No sac sword?

[ocean ember]

If you have sac sword, it's better for XQ

Bennett will probably prefer something like rancour or anything with higher base attack

[autumn geyser]

its r1 level 60

[ocean ember]

I'd level the sac sword

Also, I have to head out for now ^^'

[autumn geyser]

adiosss

[autumn geyser]

would 4p thunder soother or 4p thundering fury be better for tazer comp

fury right cause it gives more electro dmg bonus?

[fleet knot]

yeah the thing about 4tf is that the 4p is only half active if the user is not on the field (iirc)

[autumn geyser]

(whats iirc mean)

[unkempt oriole]

if i recall correctly

or

if i remember correctly

[autumn geyser]

ah thanks

[unkempt oriole]

or literally IIRC (sound)

^ is a joke btw

[autumn geyser]

so it would be worth it to go for 4p thunder soother instead?

[river ore]

Thundersoother

2 Piece Bonus: Electro RES increased by 40%.
4 Piece Bonus: Increases DMG against opponents affected by Electro by 35%.

Rarity

4/5 ⭐

Thundering Fury

2 Piece Bonus: Electro DMG Bonus +15%
4 Piece Bonus: Increases damage caused by Overloaded, Electro-Charged and Superconduct by 40%. Triggering such effects decreases Elemental Skill CD by 1s. Can only occur once every 0.8s.

Rarity

4/5 ⭐

[gilded dock]

for EC, TF works better

[autumn geyser]

whats\

ec

oh

wait nvm

electro charged

thx

[serene badge]

Is this good on Xiao

??

[bleak river]

Looks good

[bright crag]

Which 5 star should I go for?

[ebon otter]

just go for the ones you like

[bright crag]

I can't choose

[ebon otter]

what are your options?

[bright crag]

Riaden , kazuha , venti , ayaka

And yae miko

[ebon otter]

mm probably kazuha considering your world lv

[modern raven]

Plagg claws out!

[bright crag]

I have aquila favonia and lost prayer

[bright crag]

I am world level 5

Forgot to change it there

[modern raven]

I am batman

[ebon otter]

ahhh i see

well kazuha is nice to have

[bright crag]

But with phsycical keqing?

Physical*

[ebon otter]

mmmmm not so sure

[bright crag]

I got aquila so I built a physical keqing.

[ebon otter]

ahh i see

raiden is easy to build if youre willing to fish

[bright crag]

My other five star weapon is lost prayer

So I was thinking it might work with yae miko

[ebon otter]

have you unlocked enkanomiya yet?

[bright crag]

Yes

[ebon otter]

oh go for it

[bright crag]

Yae?

[ebon otter]

yeaaa

[bright crag]

Ok

Which artifacts would be good for yae miko?

[ebon otter]

i dont know about that yet, a lot of people were saying either shimenawa or thundering fury

[bright crag]

Ok

[ebon otter]

ues

[bright crag]

But wont shimenawa be bad

Yae miko has a high energy cost

[gilded dock]

Shimenawa is trash lol

Probably ESF, or a new set in 2.6

[ebon otter]

i thought that too but i think thats just what people said when her attack animations were leaked

[fleet knot]

crit rate is a tad lower than id want, personally
and the atk is also a bit low
but overall the build is quite good

60% crit rate means youre only dealing less than 30% of your damage potential almost half the time

[royal rock]

it could be good

[gilded dock]

her ult is a nuke and she has energy problems. I wouldn't use shime on her

[royal rock]

true

buuuuttttt

if ur not doing a nuke builddd

[gilded dock]

That's like saying you build diona for her damage

[royal rock]

(my friend is a diona main and its like a mini ganyu)

[abstract rain]

hi there! sorry if this is a stupid question, but i recently accidentally pulled c0 Zhongli. He currently has 25,500 HP at level 70, but only 850 attack. How much attack should he have? I'm trying to build him as a combination shielder/burst support

[limpid urchin]

pretty good

[abstract rain]

I have Deathmatch R1 on him

[autumn geyser]

what artifacts do you have on him / weapons do you have

[modern raven]

Heree

[limpid urchin]

absolutely no

Why do I need to play your game?

I bet you're hacker

[limpid urchin]

heya

[humble pecan]

Which build would be better for yae

[silk nest]

2? (never heard yae need em so idk)

[humble pecan]

Her A4 passive increases her E dmg by .15% for each point of em she has (if i remember correctly)

[modern raven]

Do you think Diluc or Hu Tao is better? Especially when either one is paired with Xingqiu?

[bleak river]

Hutao imo

[modern raven]

because of speed i assume?

[bleak river]

Dmg I think?

[modern raven]

but doesn't Diluc have better overall stats?

[bleak river]

I have no clue, don't have him

[gilded dock]

diluc's the baseline to compare carries to. and he just isn't the best XQ user

[bleak river]

which?

[fleet knot]

30 crit rate way too low

[glacial sluice]

yeah yeah

[fleet knot]

in terms of dps potential, its hutao hands down

[tight stratus]

If i were to run kaeya with blizzard strayer and noblesse as a cryo burst support, what should i use as his weapon? I dont have any 5* and i dont have lions roar or festering desire

[strong geyser]

any er weapon ?

[marble atlas]

screenshot your weapons

[tight stratus]

I just have the sword on him as a placeholder so i dont toss it by accident, and it looks cool lol

[strong geyser]

fav sword ?

[tight stratus]

Even with the low base attack? Ive always been hesitant with it. I originally had it on bennett and i wasnt a fan

[last silo]

Does it worth it to build lisa? Just asking

[fleet knot]

by almost all metrics

no

[marble atlas]

its rly only worth if u a simp

in terms of balakins metrics go

but any char can be strong if you put sweat and tears into it

[fleet knot]

if you want to see peak lisa, i cant imagine anyone has put more into her than okcode

[marble atlas]

okcode puts everything into everyone

😂

once a char is deemed not good, he proves everyone wrong

[fleet knot]

hes put almost all his crowns in electro

[fleet knot]

this will be a level of investment entirely unachievable by non whales, so this is beyond peak

[marble ridge]

depends

mostly no

but she is waifu

u can build her as healer

also she isnt bad with eula raiden

thats about it

mostly trash but isnt all bad

she also doesnt need much investment

if u got fav weapon and some spare EOSF or noblesse chuck it on and ur good

[fleet knot]

she can use ttods

[marble atlas]

4pc Maiden or 4pc Tenacity for Diona?

or 2pc of both?

[ebon otter]

idk if we addressed this already but is sac sword worth levelling to 90? or is it fine at 80

[marble ridge]

2pc both

4 piece of tenacity is meh for diona

4 piece maiden is unnescceary

u can if u want to but if u need that much healing smthings wrong

[marble ridge]

Sac sword is worth leveling to 90 bc of that extra er it gives you and dmg but its still viable at 80

90 is just a bigger statstick and means u dont need as much er on your artefact substat

[last silo]

Ohh okayy thanks for the tip

[dapper marsh]

I give viridescent venerer for ganyu

what bow should i give to her instead

[rapid path]

Mouun’s Moon is the only weapon I can think of

[fleet knot]

used weapons are always worth 90'ing

unlike character levels, weapon levels are pog

[bright crag]

Would kazuha as a dps having aquila be stronger than keqing with the same weapon?

[fleet knot]

aquilla is uh

not great

it has high base attack, but thats about the only thing to its name

so you can give it to bennett for bigger buffs

but other than that, both keqing and kazuha have better 4* options for dps, if im not mistaken

(unless youre running physical keqing, which is generally not recommended, especially if you have kazuzha)

[rustic lily]

if i use xiangling for raiden nationale. Should I give her 4pc crimson or 4pc EOSF?

[fleet knot]

whichever you have higher artifact quality for

xiangling has 3-4 good artifact options which are all very similar in strength, so even a minor difference in artifact quality can result in one set or the other being better

but if all else is equal, SF is her best set

[rustic lily]

thanks!!

[severe vine]

Hi good day! can i ask sum? is this good for yanfei?

[fleet knot]

crit main stat is good

but the subs are not

atk% good

flat hp terrible

hp% very bad

[severe vine]

damwit

[ebon otter]

[severe vine]

anyways thank u!!!! <333333

[modern raven]

Is good?

[rotund lantern]

[sterile kernel]

What's your AR?

[modern raven]

uh 55

[sterile kernel]

Hmm you need some better artifacts

[modern raven]

oki

[grand kestrel]

is there actually any value at all to the maiden's set anymore?

[tired burrow]

if someone answers this pls ping me cuz i ahve too many maidens from kaz farming

[urban plaza]

XD

1. Fodder
2. Maidens+Clam = TONNES OF HEALING
   Now you might wonder.
   Why would I need that
   Well- lets just say "someone" has built extras and is using a level 20/20 char with level 4 burst- to heal in abyss, and it is working XD

Also I think Maidens might be a better healing-boost set
The 4pc gives a healing increase, while the clam set converts overheals to damage

[modern raven]

@tired burrow

[urban plaza]

XD I didn't tag them because I feel like I mostly BS-ed it

[urban plaza]

But also, if you are farming the VV domain, and don't need the clam 4-set bonus,
You can be saving resin since you would end up getting maidens

[grand kestrel]

I mean clearly maiden's will be better for healing. But considering even the weakest of healers is capable of managing the team without the maiden's bonus. I suppose if you don't want the extra damage, or just get tired of farming for clams shrug

[oblique pelican]

Maiden's is the only set that's unusable rn imo

[urban plaza]

Well, the weakest of healers work- when added with shields
But a lot of the one-shot-slash attack enemies (cough kairagi) can reduce your hp real quick
and Having a sudden burst of healing can help stay alive
Again, it saves resin and time to go to the clam domain

[grand kestrel]

yeah

[silent tulip]

LAvawalker

Even for mono pyro im pretty sure there are better options

[oblique pelican]

Nah, still usable on OL teams.

[silent tulip]

CW exists for OL teams

[oblique pelican]

For beidou**

Might not be her BIS, but still usable.

[silent tulip]

How is Maiden any different?

Lets say i want to use a Eula team but with Lisa prototype amber as the healer

[oblique pelican]

Coz maiden isn't offensive??

[silent tulip]

Legit team btw

Eula Lisa Rosaria Flex

[oblique pelican]

Still, I stand corrected

Healers already heal enough. For them to be using healing set doesn't make sense and the 4pc bonus is just absurd.

[silent tulip]

Exactly

Healers heal enough

Maiden lets non-healers heal enough too

[oblique pelican]

XQ on maiden's?

[round narwhal]

i actually get the most insane maiden pieces it lowkey fuckin sucks

or

got*

[rapid path]

My itto is good or no?

[strong geyser]

Wtff

Can zhongli use 4pc intructor

[modern raven]

Yes but no

[strong geyser]

yes why no

[modern raven]

Its not generally recommended to put a set that increases em on a geo character

[strong geyser]

i just need the 4pc effect for my hu tao but idk if he even does elemental reactions or not

[rustic lily]

hello, need critique.. focused on ayaka for 2 weeks.. if ever the weapon is a concern, just wanna say i'm unlucky on critrate artif/substats so i relied on the weapon.. i'm waiting for the blackcliff series

[ocean ember]

Imo Amenoma is better, as you don't really need to focus on crit rate anyways due to BS and cryo resonance (around 20% CR is enough imo, maybe closer to 30% to be in the safe side). Other than that, that's a pretty good build already, I would've just focused on her burst first rather than her skill. If you don't have any issue with her burst uptime though, blackcliff could be fine, as it at least has higher base attack than Amenoma.

[humble pecan]

What is that crit ratio you have going on-

[ocean ember]

Oh didn't see the Itto lmao

[gilded dock]

btw: if you can scroll down and take a second screenshot, shinshin will also import your cryo dmg bonus

[ocean ember]

It could work, but the character holding instructor has to be on the field when they trigger the reaction to trigger the passive, so if you can guarantee that he'll do a crystallise reaction when he's active, it should work fine. Not sure how viable that is though.

[river ore]

Instructor

2 Piece Bonus: Increases Elemental Mastery by 80.
4 Piece Bonus: Upon triggering an Elemental Reaction, increases all party members' Elemental Mastery by 120 for 8s.

Rarity

3/4 ⭐

[gilded dock]

since zhongli generally drops E every 10-20s you will have a low uptime

[rustic lily]

ohh i missed that, my cryo dmg is around 61%, coming from just the artif.. wait lemme double check

[rustic lily]

yepp cryo dmg 61.6%

[gilded dock]

if you have 100% Q uptime, you are fine with black sword till you get a 5star, preferably MSR

[rustic lily]

thanks! i'll keep this in mind and recheck her later with this

[strong geyser]

oh okay thank u does anyone even run him on 4pc instructir

[gilded dock]

if you got a skyward blade, that's better than all 4stars atm. and with 105% ER I doubt you have 100% uptime on Q yet

[rustic lily]

will ayaka's Q uptime work more if i add another cryo as battery? maybe diona

[gilded dock]

you ALWAYS run a second cryo unit with any cryo dps

diona is your bread and butter

[ocean ember]

You're welcome! I'd personally still go for blackcliff over black sword if you already can burst off cooldown since it has higher base attack and if you're fighting mobs its passive benefits her whole kit (compared to black sword), plus 42% CR + 55% from BS and cryo res is a bit too much, so more CDMG would imo be better. However, I'd only recommend it if you truly have nothing else to do with the starglitter.

[rustic lily]

alright gonna build diona~ i plan on using ganyu with ayaka.. but i'm torn to decide cause of diona so guess i'll go with her

[ocean ember]

Q uptime is Ayaka is essential, that's why Amenoma is usually considered her best 4* in many situations even with its low base attack.

[gilded dock]

or skyward blade since it also buffs N/C damage after Q

[ocean ember]

And yeah, definitely run Diona as she's one of the best cryo batteries there are, imo

[gilded dock]

if you want an ayaka ganyu quickswap, you want an ER weapon on ayaka (or amenoma)

[ocean ember]

Yeah, skyward blade is also good on her, though not a 4*

[rustic lily]

my initial team is supposed to be ayaka-ganyu-xingqiu-kokomi
but i wanna try using only ayaka as dps, so maybe i'll swap ganyu with diona~

[gilded dock]

the current most-popular Ganyaka team in abyss atm is

Ayaka Ganyu Kokomi Shenhe
some switch shenhe for venti or kazuha
or kokomi for mona + shenhe for zhongli / diano

[ocean ember]

If you're running Ayaka with another healer already though, both Kaeya and Rosaria are good batteries too (I personally prefer Kaeya but both work rather similarly)

[gilded dock]

Ayaka Ganyu Kokomi Rosaria actually works quite well, since rosaria can deal immense damage and is quite decent at generating particles.
also, she wears NO like a fucking champ

[ocean ember]

Here you'd swap Xingqiu though, no need for Xingqiu there plus hydro res is unnecessary

[rustic lily]

i agree on this part, the 2nd part of abyss 12 was a bliss thanks to ayaka, but i gotta build her support better

[gilded dock]

though I'd prefer venti or kazuha for the VV shred and grouping vs non-bosses

[rustic lily]

1. ayaka-kazuha-kokomi-rosaria
2. ayaka-kazuha-kokomi-diona
3. ayaka-diona-kokomi-rosaria
4. ayaka-ganyu-kokomi-diona
5. ayaka-ganyu-kokomi-rosaria

[gilded dock]

yeah, freeze comp really just hardcarries the second half. I went all 4 floors without any retries. switched floor 11 kazuha for xq and xq for diona

[gilded dock]

6. ayaka ganyu kokomi venti

if you don't need the excessive grouping, kazuha can generally perform better in some scenarios, while venti does better when he can succ all the mobs into the same spot so each of the 30 ganyu-cicles hits all the mobs

but I wouldn't necessarily pull venti just for that if kazuha does it just well for you without any issues

like
I want XQ to be free, so I am grabbing kokomi next patch. also I prefarmed like crazy and am pissed I got cucked by mona lol

[rustic lily]

Thanks for the screenshot, got a glimpse of your team i can use as a guide too
the raiden group first part is what im aiming for abyss 12 ever since~ this week i'm working on xiangling so i gotta also build raiden soon after~

alright i'll go over the notes and check stuffs when i'm off work later.. thanks everyone for the tips and notes @gilded dock @ocean ember

[gilded dock]

the good thing:
Raiden, xiangling, xingqiu all use the same domain, so I got them all farmed up in 2-3 months with decent sets

[rustic lily]

EOSF right?

[gilded dock]

yeah

[ocean ember]

You're welcome, glad I could help!

[rustic lily]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-got-gotcha-alright-gif-20508966

[gilded dock]

kazuha does more than vape in this floor 12 because primo geovishap has 50% res vs normal and pyro

so going from 50% to 90% dmg + the like 30%+ DMG bonus from kazuha outweights the 1.5x + EM mod

also, OL can occasionally stagger, so that's fun

and, due to APAC, the floor on the 16th will still be this current abyss
then, next month, you will have to face off vs wolflord

[rustic lily]

so excited on the wolflord! i like challenges, that's why i've prepared barbara and kokomi ahead for this chance.. also practicing my dodging

[gilded dock]

I want kokomi badly

[signal tundra]

Which sands should I use for shogun? I use EL (2nd snapshot is gladiator, 3rd is VV)

[ocean ember]

I'd go for the first one

I mean Glad

251% ER is more than enough imo, though tbh I'm not entirely sure

I'd just do tests in-game to compare damage, though the glad sands look much better imo

[tired burrow]

rainslasher on beidou yes or no

[ocean ember]

What else do you have?

I'd go against it, but if you have nothing else, it could work ig

[tired burrow]

uhh prototype, sac greatsword, bell, and other 3 stars

wasn't preparing for beidou jsut did a random 10 pull :/

[ocean ember]

Will you run her with Fischl or another battery? If not, I'd go for sac greatsword

[tired burrow]

yea the team idea was fischl beidou childe and kaz

[ocean ember]

I thiiink prototype would be better than rainslasher but I'm not sure on this

[shadow iris]

Prototype Archaic is better, or Luxurious Sea Lord if you have.. Both of them provide higher dmg on comparable Refinement

And she being main, EM on her feels unneeded

If you are willing to use her as burst support then you might think of EM meaning Rainslasher..

[severe vine]

hi

is this right??

hello?

[pine sinew]

NA >>>

[severe vine]

NA?

[pine sinew]

Normal attack

[severe vine]

OH FUCK

NORMAL ATTACK

IM DUMB SORRY

[pine sinew]

1st NA priority

[severe vine]

should i level up the e???

[next rover]

Maybe all lol

[pine sinew]

You can

But 1st NA

[urban plaza]

Usually the priority goes to NA and Burst

[next rover]

Ye

[pine sinew]

Coz NA. Gives Massive dmg

[urban plaza]

Simply because most of her constant damage is NA

[pine sinew]

Exactly

[urban plaza]

And the Burst is more of a "Buff" of sorts: For NA

[severe vine]

Ok thank you!!! <3333333333

[pine sinew]

I have c6 but not using

[ebon otter]

for yanfei na> skill> burst

[pine sinew]

Burst 2nd

[severe vine]

someone's said that i shouldnt level up the ult?? is that truw??

[pine sinew]

No

[ebon otter]

her scaling isn’t that great

[urban plaza]

Nope

[next rover]

Lmao what

[ebon otter]

you should but not prioritise

[next rover]

Ye

[pine sinew]

Just do NA.

[severe vine]

OKOKO MASTER

[pine sinew]

And give big pp DMG

[severe vine]

THANK YOU SO MUCH ><

[ebon otter]

sorry i should’ve been clear lol

[pine sinew]

[urban plaza]

Repent now :>

[ebon otter]

yes master

[rustic lily]

i have yanfei too. i maxed her all talents

[severe vine]

Is this good right?

[ebon otter]

lavawalker

[rustic lily]

u can try the 4pc crimson, or 4pc wanderer;s troupe

[severe vine]

???????

[rustic lily]

what's her weapon?

[next rover]

You can also try 2p witch and 2p 18% atk Set

[severe vine]

tbh her weapon is mappa mare bec i dont have the widsth T.T

[next rover]

Is easier to obtain than a good 4p crimson witch

[severe vine]

hella embarrasing T.T

[rustic lily]

if u dont have a suitable weapon for her yet, the talent level and artifs can be ur priority for now

[next rover]

Mappe mare works

[pine sinew]

4 pc wanderers

Give her

Give widsith ez

[urban plaza]

Mappa works, as long as your provide her an enabler

[rustic lily]

also talent priority
normal attack > e skill > burst

[urban plaza]

I had my first 20k crit mark achievement via Yanfei on Mappa Mare

[severe vine]

my wanderers arti isnt that great :))

[pine sinew]

Mappa mare em 2nd stat

[urban plaza]

I built Mappa Mare solely because I had 2 craftables, and prototype was straight up ugly lmao

[rustic lily]

i suggest while farming artifs, u also upgrade her talents

[urban plaza]

Yess
And hence the need of an enabler

[pine sinew]

Make them gud

[rustic lily]

her talent upgrades help cover the lack of good artifs

[severe vine]

HUHUH DEF IT'S EVERYWHERE

[urban plaza]

But you will need an enabler with wanderers and 4-crimson

[pine sinew]

If ya have better 4 star

Then give 4 star artifacts

For now

[urban plaza]

If you want a more Solo- orientated build,
Go for 2 crimson with 2 shimenawa/Glad

[pine sinew]

Pain

[urban plaza]

Honestly, Yes

I do not like having to run an enabler for reactions

[pine sinew]

I use mappa on Ning

😎

[urban plaza]

Anemo and Geo supremacy please >.>

[rustic lily]

hope you get windsith, it's great for yanfei

[urban plaza]

I USED TO DO THAT

[pine sinew]

I wanted dodoco

Or widsith ig

[urban plaza]

It was Mappa on thing and Eye of perception on Yanfei
Then I got Solar Pearl for ning, and we traded hands

[pine sinew]

[pine sinew]

Solar what

[urban plaza]

Eventually now widsith is on Yanfei and the Mappa is om Sucrose

[pine sinew]

Fk

[urban plaza]

BP weapon

[rustic lily]

i used solar pearl for yanfei, i guess it also suits her

[pine sinew]

Ikr

[ebon otter]

i did. too

[pine sinew]

I thought u f2p

[ebon otter]

me?

[pine sinew]

Mid

[pine sinew]

No

[ebon otter]

hush

[rustic lily]

i'm a dolphin lol i only get battle pass, need lots of mora

what is mid

[pine sinew]

Average

[urban plaza]

Smh

[rustic lily]

ooHH

[urban plaza]

I Got BP once, and welkin uske baad se

[pine sinew]

Lost prayer

Waah bhai

Moz h

[urban plaza]

Nahi h lost prayer :>

[river ore]

@urban plaza has leveled up to LEVEL 21

[pine sinew]

Chal

Koi na

[urban plaza]

BWAHAHAHHAHA FINALLLYY

[severe vine]

THANKS EVERYONE

[pine sinew]

Mere pe to 5 star ha he ni

[urban plaza]

I've been waiting for the Lvl 21 FOR A WHILE

[urban plaza]

Lmao
Even Seenu doesn't have any

[pine sinew]

Nice

[ebon otter]

.............................................

......

[urban plaza]

Kokomi will want this

.>

[pine sinew]

Exactly

[rustic lily]

i want the amos at the back

[pine sinew]

Gimme Amos

Imma make my ganyu broken

[urban plaza]

Shh. We'll just steal it >.>

[pine sinew]

[ebon otter]

but i like the extra auto dmg

with skyward

[rustic lily]

🤝

[ebon otter]

also

it’s ugly

omg i lied it’s 5k hp difference

gotta test give me a sec

oh nvm

oh

maybe i need to level this too

[rustic lily]

nice heal tick 7k

my kokomi only has 40k hp, so her tick is 5k

[ebon otter]

with hydro res

dang it

im already poor

i cant do this

[rustic lily]

same feels man, cant wait for the events and BP to refresh

[rustic lily]

just done with noting down ayaka's build change..
can u help check my bennett as support? i'm told his ER is low so that's a note from me to increase it.

[tawdry spire]

yeah definetely the ER is too low for support bennet, try to get 225% ER by replacing sands atk to energy recharge, it will be handy

[rustic lily]

thank you!! got this

[modern raven]

Should you prioritize ER or ATK for Bennett?

Or should I prioritize ER as main stat since I'll already get a good amount from the feather, and have ATK as sub stat?

Also, is Pyro goblet really worth it for Bennett?

[modern raven]

Er, he only buffs on base atk

Aka artifacts mean nothing

so atk is not worth investing?

Give him a high atk weapon and you’re good

Good, I have him using LV 80 Aquila right now

Nice, now just er or hp if you want a healer

[modern raven]

thanks man

[gritty tusk]

https://youtu.be/f0BmQwLS5T8

[modern raven]

cr 47 cd 224
cr78 cd 168
what is better for my ganyu

[ocean ember]

I'd go for the second one, assuming melt Ganyu

If it's freeze and it's not including BS and cryo res, first is way better (though maybe a bit too much CR)

[modern raven]

Okay thanks I play her only in Melt so yeah

3 off piece :/

[ocean ember]

Oop, though tbf for melt 4p WT, 4p Shime or something like 2p WT and 2p ATK set is better than BS

But yeah, good luck with the farming!

[modern raven]

yeah thx lol

[ocean ember]

(If you plan to farm more that is xD)

[modern raven]

I think I have to

[ocean ember]

In that case, best of luck x'D

[modern raven]

I am really sorry but i have a question. So basically I want to build either Beidou or Kequing. What would be the best biulda for them and artifacts?

[silent tulip]

uh

[ocean ember]

Don't be sorry! And I think it depends. For Keqing, usually 2p TF and 2p ATK set (shime or glad), but personally 4p Thundersoother works better (it's a mono-electro or electro-charged comp, since it's Jean/XQ or Fischl/Keqing/Kazuha)

Lion's Roar is usually her best 4* if you have a consistent electro aura, otherwise... Depends. Black Sword can be good if you focus on her normal and charged attacks.

This is all assuming an electro build ofc

[silent tulip]

I'd say for beidou 4pc Eosf, 4pc Thundersoother or 2pc TF 2pc atk

And for weapon.. If you have the fish claymore use that

[ocean ember]

As for substats, as most dps units, ATK sands, elemental dmg bonus and crit circlet (rate or damage depends on what you need to have something close to the 1:2 ratio)

[silent tulip]

Racist blade works too, but only if its in a team with a lot of Liyue chars

[silent tulip]

That applies to beidou too

[ocean ember]

Isn't that a polearm?

Beidou may want ER sands though

Depending on the team

[silent tulip]

There's Racist spear, Racist blade and Racist sword i think

[silent tulip]

Oh right, unless you use fischl in the team go ER sands

[urban plaza]

LMAOOOOO

[ocean ember]

And I'd recommend 4p EoSF over anything else, thundersoother only if it's a mono-electro or electro-charged comp and hoestly I'd say 4p EoSF is better (plus better to farm in general) than 2p TF and 2p ATK

[urban plaza]

Racist spear was event exclusive, if I'm not wrong

[silent tulip]

Was it?

[urban plaza]

I'm not sure

[silent tulip]

pretty sure its just on weapon banner

[ocean ember]

If there's no electro battery, sac greatsword or fav greatsword could be options too, to secure 100% uptime on the burst

[urban plaza]

I don't have any Racist weapons, because I think that they are weapon banner exclusive

[ocean ember]

And ahh, I see lmao

[silent tulip]

I mean you cant tell me they are not racist, its literally the more liyue people that you have- the better

[ocean ember]

No sword though, at least there's no lithic sword listed in paimon.moe

[urban plaza]

Hence why I found it funny😂😂😂

[silent tulip]

Oh

yeah there isnt a sword

[grand kestrel]

it's not racist, it's geolocationist. It doesn't care what species or race you are.

Only where you are annotated as belonging to. Not even where you were born. 😛

[modern raven]

What characters would you generally bring to the Boreas challenge?

Would you recommend a bow character?

Also is Sucrose still worth bringing as an EM buffer even though Anemo doesn't affect Boreas?

[grand kestrel]

not unless you're heavily focusing on reactions

[modern raven]

I'm thinking of using:

Diluc Xingqiu Bennett Fischl

[grand kestrel]

good nuff

wuff is not hard

[modern raven]

is pyro goblet worth it for bennett?

since he's a burst support i don't understand why it is recommended...

[grand kestrel]

he still does damage

[modern raven]

but would ER or healing bonus be better?

[grand kestrel]

his burst is relatively cheap and healing bonus is on circlet

[ocean ember]

ER on sands is usually a must

Goblet and circlet depends on what you want him to do

Want him full support? HP goblet with healing bonus

Sub dps? Pyro goblet and crit circlet

ER is still usually the main concern on substats, but after it again depends on the role you want him to fill. Many people go with sub dps because he already heals enough without having to focus on it

[modern raven]

what does a sub dps do?

[ocean ember]

Well, it's basically just an extra damage dealer, but not the main source of damage

Definition can vary a lot with the source

[grand kestrel]

assuming you don't have a battery

[ocean ember]

For Bennett, it just means he'll be focused on doing damage when he can (you can reverse vape or melt his burst especially, but also his E), once you already meet the ER requirements

[modern raven]

out of the weekly bosses, which one would you say is the easiest?

I'd say Stormterror

[humble pecan]

I'd say Childe

[rocky skiff]

childe for sure

[modern raven]

oh right

How would you rank the things you need in a good team, from least to greatest? Here's how I would put it:

1. Team comp

2. Weapons

3. Level

4. Talents

5. Artifacts

[rocky skiff]

1. is least?

[modern raven]

1. is most

[rocky skiff]

with no artis, you basically dont do much dmg

[modern raven]

Right

actually I would change that and put Artifacts above Level

[rocky skiff]

I'd say its most important, cuz even as a solo with good artis, you'll do pretty well

[modern raven]

My current situation

[wise oak]

so like

shit build for myself so far

[ocean ember]

For damage, is:

[rocky skiff]

I see nuke build

[wise oak]

?

[modern raven]

what characters would you bring for the Childe fight?

[rocky skiff]

Hu tao

[wise oak]

i also see nuke build but the artifacts arent agreeing with me

imma replace that circlet

but it has so much atk

[ocean ember]

Team synergy AND proper rotation >>> artifacts > weapon level > talent level > character level (though this one can be higher depending on the character, like swirl and HP, DEF and EM scaling characters benefit much more from level)

[wise oak]

and im thriving off an hp sands

wait would burst zhongli need a hp sands?

if im building him semi semi hybrid

[rocky skiff]

hmm

[wise oak]

i have finally thought of building my zhongli after seeing new zhongli haver do big pp dmg

[rocky skiff]

how much damage its doing?

[wise oak]

oh

wait lemme go test it out

so my other build

he hit like

159k

but thats in abyss

ill go test his dmg rn but should i do it in openworld or abyss

[rocky skiff]

sounds pretty good I guess

[wise oak]

:p

[rocky skiff]

Im just gonna make full shieldbot zhongli whenever i get him

[wise oak]

oh he was on an atk sands

when i did the dmg test last time

oh he did 173k

in abyss

[rocky skiff]

nice

[wise oak]

mb i can try 200k if i get better artifacts

[rocky skiff]

have thought about crowning?

[modern raven]

Already posted this but which one?

[rocky skiff]

@modern raven could you post it as a picture?

[modern raven]

i'm hitting the + button

so why isn't it showing up as a picture

[rocky skiff]

Idk, might be the file type

[modern raven]

oh

[gilded dock]

what the actual flying fuck even is jfif

[modern raven]

I have my fischl

[rocky skiff]

If there's some other artifact in same domain you need/might use, rather spend resin there?

[modern raven]

Fischl is currently using an Electro DMG Bonus goblet that is not thundering

and i'm trying to decide between keeping it or swapping it with a thundering goblet that has DEF

[wise oak]

yea

[rocky skiff]

idk about building chars much, usually look up on net what sets different chars want

[ocean ember]

No, don't swap

That electro damage bonus from the set is literally what the goblet gives

[gilded dock]

thundering fury domain is not something I'd farm, especially since R5 Stringless + Electro Cup make Fury less worthwhile than say 2 glad or 2WT if you are in a reaction comp

[ocean ember]

Unless it's like a level 0 goblet, it'll by default give more than the set

95% main stats and substats > set bonus

[wise oak]

id crown zhongli but he doesn't do that much dmg on my part so theres no point in crowning him

plus i dont really feel the need to

[ocean ember]

One good example of when this doesn't apply is VV set, since the set bonus usually is more important than the stats from character holding it

[rocky skiff]

this one hurt when rolled....

[wise oak]

aw hell naw

double def

and u still decided to roll 😭

[gilded dock]

also ESF 4pc on xiangling and raiden and xingqiu

[rocky skiff]

I had no other ER sands, so I had to

[modern raven]

is it normal to be cursed with DEF?

[wise oak]

yes

[ocean ember]

Oop, had potential but the luck wasn't on your side...

[wise oak]

my kaeya used to have 1.2k def

[ocean ember]

Yup

[gilded dock]

@modern raven everywhere but husk domain

[rocky skiff]

I have lots of these def rolls

[wise oak]

all his artifacts used to have def rolls

hes a fucking tank

with all that def

[humble pecan]

My planned yae build be looking a bit sus-

[rocky skiff]

these def rolls...

[wise oak]

oh god what

[rocky skiff]

My ONLY CDMG circlet on wanderer

which made me sad

bcuz its on ganyu

[wise oak]

im kinda concerned

[ocean ember]

Damn, it even had crit rate

[wise oak]

about ur artifact luck

its worse than mine

ok so

bc im so desperate for good rolls i literally use my luckiest character

[rocky skiff]

ofc I own few these

[wise oak]

THATS

WTF

[rocky skiff]

juicy

cant always be unlucky, sometimes it gotta turn

[ocean ember]

In my case, I'm unlucky on my main but lucky on my side lmao

I have yet to obtain 1 decent CW piece, I've been farming the domain for 2 weeks now I believe

Like, not even a slightly usable feather or flower

On my side though, I only have to replace either the sands or the goblet for my Tao, which is gonna be hard as both have pretty good rolls lmao but she's doing pretty well so far

[rocky skiff]

pretty okay with this build tho, I usually hit weakspot, (amos bow)

[ocean ember]

Melt Ganyu?

[rocky skiff]

I could switch so its like 55,9/196

I just run ganyu as ganyu pretty much

it does good dmg

[ocean ember]

Yeah, but I mean the team comp/arti set alsdjka

Like, that crit rate is more than enough of a freeze comp

On a melt comp, it's super low indeed

[rocky skiff]

Abyss spiral did ganyu shenhe mona and healer

[ocean ember]

Arti set?

[rocky skiff]

wanderer on ganyu but doesnt matter

[ocean ember]

Oop, it is indeed super low rate

[rocky skiff]

if it weakspot its crit tho

and rng is always fun, right?

[ocean ember]

Issue is there is a lot of mobs that don't even have a weak spot

[rocky skiff]

true

[ocean ember]

I'd disagree alskdjal but well, if it works for you

[rocky skiff]

thats why I can switch it like this if want to

[river ore]

@rocky skiff has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[ocean ember]

Though if you switched for more rate, it'd be higher average damage

[rocky skiff]

u like that more?

[ocean ember]

It's objectively better, considering you're not running BS (dunno if you're running cryo res or not)

[rocky skiff]

whats that? bit tired to think

[ocean ember]

The crit rate is still on the lower end though

What is what? BS? Blizzard Strayer

[rocky skiff]

Oh blizzard

[ocean ember]

Cryo res is extra 15% CR when hitting opponents affected by cryo

That's basically the basis of a freeze comp, running cryo res and BS, which gives 60% CR for free (including the original 5% every character has)

[rocky skiff]

Shenhe decrease cryo res 13%, 14 if I lvl it 9

burst btw

[ocean ember]

This way, you can focus on CDMG alone, as you roughly need 15% CR from substats

Cryo resonance

I meant cryo resonance, not cryo resistance

[rocky skiff]

oh, I have cryo resonance too, ganyu + shenhe

[ocean ember]

Which is only achieved from running 2 cryo characters

But still not enough to make up for under 30% CR tbh

[rocky skiff]

thats true, I just need to find a lot better cdmg circlet

with CR

[ocean ember]

The 55% CR build is slightly better with the resonance, since it'd be around 70%, which is reasonable

(Assuming the mobs are affected by cryo)

Tbh, if you're not specifically running melt (and seems you run freeze), I'd go for 4p BS

[rocky skiff]

I kinda didnt waste any extra resin on this set, i had random pieces laying on inv so I kinda got easy way out

my luck with arti farming is kinda bad and farming for other chars rn so rather not farm BS rn

[ocean ember]

Yeah, that makes sense, it's unfortunate you have basically no crit rate

[rocky skiff]

could sacrifice some cdmg and atk for CR... but is it worth it? idk

[modern raven]

for some reason I get a lot of Crit DMG but almost no crit rate

[ocean ember]

I'd go with the second plume

Like, almost 6% isn't that much but it adds up, and you still have CDMG on that one anyways so

[rocky skiff]

gotta optimize it properly one day

but tbh the dmg it does anyways is good even without being right set for what I do

[ocean ember]

Well, the crit value on the second one is higher, so there's that

As I said, if it works for you... But remember crit rate is pretty important. It's less average damage to have a very big number every so often than a slightly lower number but much more often.

[rocky skiff]

true, it just depends of enemy if have weakspot

[ocean ember]

True, though afaik her burst can't hit weak spots either, and if you have to fight a boss, you'll do much less damage average

At the end of the day though this is just advice

60 CR and 180 CDMG is still more average damage than 20 CR and 220 CDMG, to put an example

[river ore]

@ocean ember has leveled up to LEVEL 18

[rocky skiff]

It would be like 60/190 but still pretty nice

compared to 29/226

with no cryo buff

[ocean ember]

Yeah, in general that'd net you higher damage

Pretty close to 1:2 ratio too

[rocky skiff]

is it 15% crit when affected cryo?

[ocean ember]

Though tbf after around 75% CR, you can just focus on CDMG with no regards to 1:2 ratio

[ocean ember]

Yup

[rocky skiff]

so it goes 75/190

good enuf

[ocean ember]

Yep!

Pretty good

[rocky skiff]

if could get god circlet, cdmg main stat and 20% crate sub

[ocean ember]

In that case, I'd even consider keeping the first feather you sent (though I'd personally stick with the second one still)

Good luck with that!

[rocky skiff]

With first feather, its around 100 more atk i think

oh nope, like 50

[ocean ember]

Yeah, around 55 ATK

[rocky skiff]

yeah I guess atk% doesnt matter at that point anyways

on feather

[ocean ember]

Both are good enough imo anyways, with that crit ratio

Yeah, 5.8% ATK isn't thaat much, considering ATK in your Ganyu is already pretty good (basing this on the ss you sent before, on the 55.9% CR build)

[rocky skiff]

yeah, and no other builds get ruined much

raiden CR drops but Its not even main dps anymore

soo it's fine

[ocean ember]

Yeah, seems pretty good imo!

[rocky skiff]

Hu tao other team main dps

[ocean ember]

Neato, what comp? I personally like Thoma/Sucrose but yeah xD

[rocky skiff]

Umm its basically only hutao and xingqiu xD

thinking of adding Yanfei, as got it c6

[ocean ember]

Yanfei as tankfei, I guess? That's a good alternative also, though kinda requires a VV unit aksdj

[rocky skiff]

hutao and xq will have cd's so during that do dmg with yanfei :)

also pyro reso gives extra atk bonus

[ocean ember]

So kinda a dual carry comp? Though tbh I personally have no issues with the CD alksjd but also it's best to play what you find fun!

[rocky skiff]

Well optimizing dmg, no time wasted

[modern raven]

Xiangling + R2 Catch or Jade spear?

[ocean ember]

To optimise damage though, and using Yanfei, it's usually tankfei and VV user (same concept as using Thoma or Amber with Elegy)

As Hu Tao's downtime isn't that much

[ocean ember]

Not sure tbh, if you want to use Xiangling, I'd R5 The Catch asap

[rocky skiff]

around 7s

[gilded dock]

@modern raven r5 the catch

[rocky skiff]

Then there's XQ, it just depends if Sac sword at R1 refresh E

[ocean ember]

If you ult at the end of her E duration, it's less than that, and it's usually enough to use supports' skills and bursts

[rocky skiff]

I kinda had sucrose built but not sure if the artis are good at all 😅

[ocean ember]

Hmmm she's usable as long as she has 4p VV, it's better if you can get triple EM main stats on her but she's usable even if not xD