🔨・build-discussion

[urban ermine]

Well I'll stay with sea lord and try to get those fucking crimson pieces since you're not really helping there

[oblique pelican]

Diluc and kaeya don't go together even though they are brothers!

[urban ermine]

And who said I care ? I like them, I like their playstyle 🤷 Still need to improve Kaeya but he'll probably do better dmg on melt than 17K

[oblique pelican]

[wise oak]

oh hwat

i used to use kaeya with diluc and i do in abyss and the dmg is decent

[oblique pelican]

Do me a favor. Read the lore

[round narwhal]

i think

i think kae meant the dmg/not going together, not the lore 💀

[wise oak]

OH

LORE

HEP

UH

SORRY

[oblique pelican]

[wise oak]

IM SORDY I CANT READ SHIT 😭

[modern raven]

Im pretty sure they gave good synergy tho

Its a constant melt with Kaeya and you can use Diluc on field?

Have**

Not gave

Lmao

[round narwhal]

i think so too ngl, the only thing that kind of sucked (but not really) was using diluc ult and having kaeya ult up as well and then having to sprint towards them

[modern raven]

OHHH

[round narwhal]

other than that, its p consistent pyro and cryo

[modern raven]

Onay

Yeah!!

[ocean ember]

I think I'm late? And haven't read the whole conversation, but the issue with running Kaeya and Diluc together is Kaeya's ICD. He doesn't apply cryo (applying cryo != dealing cryo damage) fast enough for Diluc to melt it, so you may melt the first hit with Diluc, but afterwards (unless you wait 2.5 seconds or 3 hits from Kaeya's burst) Kaeya is the one who will trigger the melt.

[modern raven]

Melt Kaeya surpremacy

/jk

[ocean ember]

ICD is the reason there is no meta team that forward melts. xD The only way to somewhat consistently (usually one of each 3 target hits, maybe of 2 depending) forward melt is to also use Xingqiu, so the constant aura is hydro (and you're vaping when not melting), and you melt when the enemy manages to get frozen. This applies to Hu Tao as well (though you need to do N1C combos instead of N2C), as running something like Hu Tao/Xingqiu/Kaeya/Diona lets her maybe melt every other charge attack, usually 1 every 3 charges attacks I think.

[opaque field]

ok i builded xinxu for today

[wise oak]

holy shit

as a supprot?

[opaque field]

yea

[river ore]

@opaque field has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[opaque field]

wana see his artefacts?

[unkempt plinth]

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[glass finch]

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[grand kestrel]

hey, message me on dilscrod, I got free nitro from steam. 😛

I feel like I'm missing something with the whole steam thing, why are they all claiming to be steam giving discord?

[humble pecan]

bc Steam actually gave free nitro a while back if I rememebr correctly

So by saying steam is giving away free nitro people might think it's legit even tho it isnt

[grand kestrel]

so basically they're just recycling a legitimate image as a scam. Gotta love it.

[marble atlas]

can diona work as both a shielder and healer at the same time ? i honestly havent really used her before

i was going to, but then stopped

im wondering if i could properly utilise her or if i even need her at all

so many built healers already

[gilded dock]

@marble atlas yes she does, since shield and heal both scale via HP%

her shield's only issue is that it isn't zhongli's, and that's like the best compliment you can give her lol

[paper harness]

Any Good Team with thoes?. My Main Team atm is Razor Diona Xianling Bennet. I search a good Team for Abyss or another good overall Team 🙂

[marble atlas]

well ive seen zhongli vs diona and they did cut pretty close, so i wouldnt say its necessarily an issue

im mostly considering her incase i need a shielder for another team in abyss, since zhongli is p much always with hu tao and xingqiu

[fleet knot]

the "issue" with diona shield is uptime

but smart usage of sac bow can patch that

[gilded dock]

diona shield has downtime?

[river ore]

@gilded dock has leveled up to LEVEL 27

[oblique pelican]

It's merely 3 sec iirc

[autumn geyser]

is geo dmg bonus

or hp % main stat better on zhongli

[fading yacht]

did someone here build chongyun level 80?

[fleet knot]

hp for shields, though geo is probably better overall
triple hp is excessive for shield stuff

[rustic lily]

me

he's my dps up to AR 47

[fading yacht]

ow, what artifact set you use on him?

[rustic lily]

at first it was just 4pc gladiator atk~ when i got to higher ARs, i used the 4pc blizzard

[fading yacht]

main weapon?

[rustic lily]

i paired him with xhingqiu and fischl that time

on the weapon

wait lemme check

i used the skyrider at the early ARs.. then changed to snow-tombed starsilver

when the dragonspine was released

[fading yacht]

your chongyun cons?

[rustic lily]

c0 up to AR47~ when i no longer main him he's now c2

[fading yacht]

hmmm

how about avg dmg?

[rigid crater]

I want to build Jean as a phys dps to take advantage of her healing passive, is that a good idea?

[rustic lily]

up to AR47 his avg dmg on normal atk goes 2-3k, E skill is same just low avg 5-7k since i built him mostly physical dmg before, and also not much talents. my artifs arent that great yet too

[rustic lily]

i have friends who use jean at dps~ she's great and that's a good idea as long as you want to and have a team comp for her

[fading yacht]

well i will be focus using the skill or burst for cryo element, if he have good potential he will the next i build

[rustic lily]

alright

[fading yacht]

thank you

[silent tulip]

Who is sacrificial sword good on besides kazuha and xingqiu?

[rustic lily]

bennett if u wanna use his burst continuously

qiqi too, and traveler

[fleet knot]

its not really good on bennett because his e has a 2s cooldown already

[silent tulip]

Fr, im using it on bennett but it feels kinda wasted

Qiqi doesn't generate particles tho + this has low base atk so the atk% atk% atk% wouldn't increase as much

"Anemo dps" people seriously do that?
Like.. unironically?

though yeah, for electro traveler it might be good as a battery

[oblique pelican]

Kaeya is also a valid option

[tardy moon]

what is raiden shogun's goblet? Atk% or electro damage bonus?

[fleet knot]

yes

[rustic lily]

electro maybe

[fleet knot]

atk is usually better but it depends on what you have and what your other substats are

also if youre using an er or atk% timepiece

also depends on your weapon

[tardy moon]

I'm planning to use an ER sands on her

[fleet knot]

and depends on what team youre using her own

its not about planning, atk% sands very easily could be the better choice, just depending on what you have

[tardy moon]

I'm also fseming for R5 th catch

[fleet knot]

what you have >> what you want to use

because you can actually use what you have

but, if all else is equal and youre using an ER timepiece, atk goblet >

sometimes

[tardy moon]

I still don't have her so I don't know what stats

[fleet knot]

the "issue" with raiden is that her optimal setup can vary wildly from person to person
for example, the generally recommended ER cutoff with the catch is like 200-230 or something

my raiden build does the most damage when i have 340%

340

that is a HUGE discrepancy from what is "optimal", but its the best for my account

[tardy moon]

what team can you recommend when she's the main dps?

[fleet knot]

raiden sara kazuha xingqiu
people also recommend bennett in there

usually over xingqiu but i disagree

and its hard to recommend sara without c6

[tardy moon]

Yes my sara is c1

[fleet knot]

but yeah, the only truly accurate answer for "what should i use on raiden" is
"plug your artifacts into GO (https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/) and see what is best for you"

[tardy moon]

Thank you

[fleet knot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjvbp4_b1xw

[tardy moon]

I do hope they put sara on the banner so i can get her cons

[fleet knot]

this video is slightly outdated, now there are automatic scanners you can use (https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/scanner/) to important all your artifacts at once

instead of having to go through one at a time

[tardy moon]

Thanks again

[urban plaza]

I hope she is on the Raiden banner because I want her, and I would be skipping Miko (and Ayato)

[silent tulip]

R2 deathmatch or R1 serpent spine (what to choose for BP)

[gilded dock]

get serpent or a second deathmatch, whichever you need more
SS is great for most claymore users

[silent tulip]

I mean yeah, that was the question

I know SS is good for most claymore users and im a Chongyun main

but i use a lot of polearms too

[gilded dock]

well

who do you use right now?

[signal tundra]

I’d get R1 SS since I assume you already have a dealthmatch (since you specified R2)

[silent tulip]

yeah, im going ss

[nimble citrus]

should i try to build up the right for zhongli?

[fleet knot]

4* artifacts arent really worth the time in 99% of cases

for zhongli, just level the flower and call it a day

[lusty cloud]

R5 Widsth or R1 Kagura's whatever for Lisa?

Anyone have any ideas?

[fleet knot]

since lisa is usually a burst and swap off type unit, i cant imagine yae's weapon is very good
and assuming it snapshots aswell, widsith is gonna be huge for that

[lusty cloud]

Sounds like I should just save my wishes for Kazu tbh

[fleet knot]

cant say i would suggest otherwise

[lusty cloud]

Cool, just needed someone to tell me it ain't worth pulling, ty 🙏🏽

[grand kestrel]

wait till it's out officially

everything is subject to change until release

[autumn geyser]

hey peeps

so

im asking for help with floor 11

mainly chamber 2 and 3

[rustic lily]

yes who are ur chars

[autumn geyser]

rosaria, zhongli, bennet, diana, fishcl, zingqiu, kokomi, yanfei, ayaka, diluc, razor, lisa, xiangling, keqing, chongyun, kaeya, sara, thoma, ean, qiqi, noelle, ningguang, sucrose, beidou, barbara, xinyan, aloy, sayu, amber, gorou, and yunjin

the first 15 are the ones i normally use but i sometimes swap around their artifacts

[oblique pelican]

Who all have you built? Like really well

[blissful wagon]

Just want to make sure my instincts are correct:
1 - percentage bonuses are much better than the flat number additions
2 - 4* items are basically useless if you spend any time grinding domains (unless perfect substats)

[oblique pelican]

Correct

[rustic plank]

You can try
Team 1: zhongli, ayaka, bennet, xiangling
Team 2: diluc, diona, xingqiu, rosaria

It's my team for that, albeit diluc is actually hutao since my diluc don't have decent witch set

[bleak river]

1: yanfei xq fischl bennett
2: ayaka kokomi diona sucrose(?)
Just sth similar to mine
Actl swap these

[rustic plank]

the hard part with 11 is against that thunderbird

it's just moving around a lot

[autumn geyser]

rose, zhongli, bennet, ayaka, yanfei, diluc, xinqiu, fishckl, diluc, anf diana

[bleak river]

Ye you can do yanfei overvape

[autumn geyser]

whats that

[bleak river]

You can swap fischl for zhong if you can trouble surviving

Yanfei xq fischl benny

Yanfei cuz thunder manifestation(?)

Then ayaka lacks a hydro so idk

[autumn geyser]

kokomi

[bleak river]

Ye

So yanfei overvape and ayaka freeze

Would work

[autumn geyser]

ight thank u

ill try that

could i use that for floor 12 too?

or would that be too slow

[bleak river]

Enough to at least 3star total

Probably

[autumn geyser]

oof

hmm

i shall hopefully

12 star

this floor 11

cause i already have 5

[bleak river]

You mean 9 star

[autumn geyser]

ill just fight till it worls

oh

yee

naw they made a 4th chamber for me

#special

[rustic plank]

Floor 12 with ayaka freeze should be able to 3 star chamber 2

The big chunky boy you can just put in diona/zhong and he can hurt himself a lot so you can have extra time

[autumn geyser]

yeah love zhong pilaring him

and watching him lose like a 1/5 of his health

the ayaka freeze comps

ayaka, diona, zhong, and koko

right?

[oblique pelican]

You don't need Zhongli

[autumn geyser]

i like his burst

[oblique pelican]

Most of the times, the enemy will be frozen

[bleak river]

You don't need him

And geo shatters

[autumn geyser]

good point

[rustic plank]

use anemo to spread cryo

[autumn geyser]

i dont have any anemos built rn

[oblique pelican]

Try yanfei, Bennett, XQ, ZL in part 2 and ayaka, rosaria, diona, kokomi in part 1 (floor 11)

[autumn geyser]

that i can achieve

okay im heading in rn

do yall wanna know how it goes down?

[bleak river]

Ye just say after

[autumn geyser]

oki

[fiery cliff]

Hi anyone here uses sunfire comp? I want to ask what's the better build for Jean. EM or the usualy dps for the arti fact stats?

[fleet knot]

im p sure jean runs triple em in a sunfire comp

but im not positive

[bleak river]

^

P sure it's stack em

[oblique pelican]

It's swirl afterall!

[bleak river]

Mhm

[fiery cliff]

thank youu!

[autumn geyser]

i was able to 2 star both floors @bleak river

[bleak river]

Chambers*?

[autumn geyser]

yee my bad

i might go back and try to 9 star floor 11

should i swap the teams for 12?

oh wait i dont think i could do that cause of the abyss lector

fek

[bleak river]

Swap teams?

[autumn geyser]

like

freeze in chamber 1

vape in 2

[bleak river]

Hmm

[autumn geyser]

but the abyss lector would make it hard

the pyro one, but the hydro one would be slightly easier

[bleak river]

You could do freeze 2 vape1 to 12-2, then quit and do freeze 1 vape2 and take your time for 12-1&2

[autumn geyser]

ill try that

hopefully i dont outright fail the first chamber and not even be able to attempt 2

[bleak river]

Mhm

[autumn geyser]

ill go see how it goes

i have

37 seconds

on chamber 1 part 2

im gonna work on getting better artifacts for my teams an leveling talents

thank you so much for your help

[bleak river]

Np

It's what I used XD

[gilded dock]

floor 12 second half can be fully done with a freeze comp. you will have issues freezing kenki, but if you don't rely on 4BS, you'll be fine

[autumn geyser]

good caus i dont have a single bs piece

ayaka's on 5p noblesse

[bleak river]

Loves teleporting away from ayaka burst oso

From anything rly

[warped geyser]

e

[gilded dock]

it's certainly doable in a fast manner

just gotta know how to build teams and abuse some stuff

and rosaria DPS has been working for me quite well

could replace shenhe for Diona or sucrose/kazuha
and national is national, just keep bennett and xiangling in that half

[half oasis]

I got my first Tenacity Pieces yesterday, is this a good start for a Shield and Nuke?

[shrewd timber]

shieldbot means u neglect all damage done by zl, black tassel and 4pc tenacity

[oblique pelican]

Shield bot with atk goblet?

[dusky bone]

Perhaps for the feather, try to find stats with HP% and ER?
And i would also ask why ATK goblet if shield bot

Also if he is a shield bot, i wouldnt level up his normal atk talent as much 🤔

from what I see, E is prioritized

[half oasis]

Oh sheesh It was an autocorrect error

I meant

Shield and Nuke

I was using this word a bit too much

The autocorrect changed it

[dusky bone]

ah then the build makes a bit more sense!

[half oasis]

There, I've changed that, thank you for the information

[dusky bone]

but honestly from my own experience, Zhongli shield is so strong that you barely have to prioritize building him as a shield!

if u want him to be nuke perhaps can just focus on that especially since you have homa

[half oasis]

Okay

I use him mostly as a nuke, and his shield was strong even at a low level

[shrewd timber]

do uhhhh

i do eosf

for nuke

[half oasis]

Okayy

[shrewd timber]

ur buuild is fine but use a better goblet

[half oasis]

I never paid attention to artifs till now, until some of my friends told me that my artif arrangement was messed up

I just started farming the Tenacity sets yesterday

I will get a better goblet

Thanks

Tbh, I quite never understood the science behind choosing artifs

I jsut put whatever my veteran friends told me to

From my inventory

[shrewd timber]

same

[dusky bone]

no worries i think artifact is quite frustrating and difficult!

[shrewd timber]

its alright

[dusky bone]

generally for nuke/support, noblesse is a good universal support set!
same for emblem

[half oasis]

Okay!

[dusky bone]

one thing to note about noblesse x4 is that the atk 20% effect doesnt stack
so usually if sub dps/nuke i will give them x2 pc enough

[half oasis]

Oh

[dusky bone]

good luck with building charas and farming artifacts! 👍

[half oasis]

Thank you!

Stay safe!

[oblique pelican]

Idk if you can even use ZL as a nuke+shield without crowning his E

With 50k hp and lv 8 E, his shield Still breaks ( in abyss)

[half oasis]

I'm a bit of a casual F2P, so grinding for materials is painfully slow, I will crown him surely, but it will take time

And one does not just keep taking DMG standing in one place, do we?

I just dodge away

Except for the big AOE attacks from the likes of the Maguu Kenki and stuff

[oblique pelican]

Dodging=damage loss

Damage loss=no full clear abyss

[half oasis]

Ah I get it

[oblique pelican]

No full clear abyss=no primogems for characters
no primogems for characters=You spend your money
You spend your money=you go broke
You go broke=you go hungry
You go hungry=you die.

Moral: you don't dodge in abyss

[dusky bone]

just take your time no worries! after all genshin is just a game 💪

[half oasis]

Ah but that's where I stop: I don't spend money

Genshin isn't life, Genshin is a side quest in life

[half oasis]

Exactly

[oblique pelican]

Still, you don't dodge in abyss!!

[half oasis]

I don't mean to start an argument hahaha, but thank you for your advice

I will keep this in mind

No dodging

More Damage per second per hit

[oblique pelican]

[bleak river]

<@&874036938351448094>

only here

huh

interesting

[clear heron]

I know the sands are kinda copium but

which is the better sands for Jean?

[bleak river]

what kinda jean you running?

[clear heron]

no idea yet, I'm building her artifacts for before I level her and her talents

[silent tulip]

now do a big number

[clear heron]

flexing my best rolls today yet

[crystal heath]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[clear heron]

is 430 em too much for melt ganyu?

Also I don't have any good crit rate circlets 😂 (and I lack weekly boss mats to level up her ult)

[ocean ember]

I'd change the EM sands for an attack one, but that EM sands has pretty good substats so idk

[clear heron]

here's another build but with atk% sands instead of EM

[ocean ember]

For melt you don't need her burst though

The second one is better imo

But nothing beats testing them out in-game xD

[clear heron]

yep, but I also have plans on using her as a support for yoi/childe hehe

[clear heron]

Thank you!

[ocean ember]

Also I'd recommend having an idea of what role you want a character to play (and what teams you're gonna use them on) before building them. Jean can be played as sub dps with ATK/Anemo/Crit and 2p VV + 2p ATK, specially if you're running her with another anemo like Venti or Kazuha, or be a 4p VV holder or even 4p NO depending on what you need. You can even build her triple EM in a comp with Bennett (outside of that, she usually doesn't need much EM tbh, at least imo). Without a high refinement anemona, she tends to need a bunch of ER (ime), unless ran with another anemo.

Forgot to mention: you can also build her as a full healer, with something like ATK (or ER)/ATK/Healing bonus. So greatly depends on what you want/need.

And yw!

[clear heron]

ah, here's the thing, I'm really only building her since I'm bored 🥲 I already have 3 abyss ready teams (ayaka freeze, rational, walnut -idk if thats the proper name-) so my Jean is being built for variety of team comps.

I think I'd love building her as sub dps tho! Since I'm still feeling the pain in farming triple EM for Kazuha and EM-Anemo-EM for Venti orz

Thank you for the advice!

[ocean ember]

Yeah, she can be quite versatile ajakakd. 4p VV is probably her best for versatility, to condense healing+VV in one slot. If you don't need VV, I find 2p VV and 2p ATK pretty fun, haha.

I can relate lmao but yeah, she barely ever wants triple EM, unless you're like doing sunfield or whatever the name is comp, using Bennett's Q alongside Jean's to swirl pyro, haha.

Yw!

[fleet knot]

a bit yeah, but your other stats are good too
as for atk vs em, id just check with the optimizer

[clear heron]

oh yea, I haven't thought of using the optimizer! Thank you so much 😊

[modern raven]

atk% will give better sub dps and heals but er will allow u to pop her burst more often so its better on sunfire jean comps where u'd want her burst up as frequently as possible to apply pyro

Unless u have a er weapon or enough er to put atk anyways

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[modern raven]

Slayyy i can do giveaways now

[silent tulip]

you have a 50% chance to be able to do giveaways

[opaque bolt]

As I newer player (started in dec) Im reading about team comps and just getting a lot of “Bennett required”and I dont have him. Is there any way to build something without him? Can I use xiangling as a janky replacement?

[fleet knot]

actually the reason bennett is so good is because he is a MASSIVE boost to xiangling specifically

and vice versa

bennett with a leveled 5* sword can buff upwards of 1000 attack to your allies, basically for free

but youre in luck, because mihoyo has been terrified of how strong they made bennett, and just about every dps they've released in the last year works perfectly well without bennett at all

[opaque bolt]

Good cause just from looking outside as a new player it’s gotten to the point that I kind of wish he was nerfed or his kit was redone or given in a permanent event like XL

[fleet knot]

but yeah, a lot of easily accessible + powerful teams rely on bennett, specifically bennett xiangling to do their damage

[ocean ember]

Don't worry much about Bennett tbh, he's not required for most comps (though he's the best option if available). I started June or July last year, got him early on and nowadays I barely use him.
However, he kinda is required for Xiangling, yeah.

[fleet knot]

like og national

or national variants

then you get into more niche stuff like double swirl rotations with kazuha bennett

[ocean ember]

Basically anything that involves Xiangling, haha. He is also ran with melt Ganyu iirc?

[fleet knot]

but genuinely, outside of that, i dont think bennett is that universal anymore

[fleet knot]

yeah he is, because melt ganyu is either bennett xiangling or bennett kazuha

[ocean ember]

Another one that is also usually ran with Bennett is Eula but imo also not required. Even less with Xiao, for example. Hu Tao would rather not run Bennett (you can, it's just not ideal).

[fleet knot]

like i said, every dps in the last year (basically ganyu and after) does not care for bennett

you could argue raiden does but thats a national variant

[ocean ember]

Another really niche option that involves Bennett is Bennett/Jean for sunfire or sunfield or however it's called, but it's pretty niche.

Yeah, I'd say the only character that truly requires Bennett is Xiangling.

[opaque bolt]

Just from reading the guides that are out there atleast for the chars I have Bennett is like bis for every comp. I get I’m new and I don’t have many chars but some alternatives to not having bennett in those guides would be nice

[ocean ember]

What guides are you reading? I'd honestly only recommend KQMs or the ones from that one spreadsheet

[opaque bolt]

Yah I’m all over Kqm and the spreadsheet

[ocean ember]

There are plenty alternatives in most cases though. Bennett is recommended for many but not required.

What characters are you trying to build a team for?

[fleet knot]

i wouldnt even say bennett is recommended for most dps units at this point

[opaque bolt]

Only 5s I have atm are Mona and Jean

[fleet knot]

ey the 2 good ones

pog

[ocean ember]

Yeah, those are the best ones from the standard

Nowadays, in most cases, Bennett is used for damage showcases/nukes and stuff, but yeah.

Outside of like Xiangling comps, haha.

[opaque bolt]

Is there some current guides I’m missing where the Mets has moved past him?

Meta

[ocean ember]

Well, when I need I look at KQM ones

I don't remember Bennett listed as required there, outside of Xiangling and some comps

[fleet knot]

dps units whose best team does not include bennett:
itto
eula
ganyu (freeze)
hutao
ayaka
raiden (hypercarry) (debatable)
xiao
yoimiya

[ocean ember]

Now that I think about it, Childe could be another one that usually requires (to some degree) Bennett, but depends on the comp.

[fleet knot]

childe relies on bennett because childe relies on xiangling

🥴

[ocean ember]

Yoi could be debatable though, but she is pretty versatile anyways

True, though idk if his electro-charged comp also includes Bennett xD

[opaque bolt]

They want Bennett for anything Mona cause of his pyro application

[ocean ember]

That is assuming Mona as a damage dealer

[fleet knot]

kqm guides are generally catered towards newer players when your investment level is generally on the lower end

[ocean ember]

Most of the times Mona is used as a freeze enabler

[opaque bolt]

Bennett also seems required for physical Jean cause she needs the attack

[fleet knot]

and if you have sub par artis, bennett can absolutely patch a lack of attack

[ocean ember]

I wouldn't say this though, most are pretty complete for both end game and entry level. I'd even say many are more catered towards long time players.

[ocean ember]

Tbf though over time you'll probably switch Jean to either full support or anemo sub dps

Do you have any dps 4*s? Some are pretty good, like Yanfei

[opaque bolt]

Yah eventually it’s just tough atm cause she’s pretty much my only good attacker right now

[ocean ember]

Beidou only needs a driver, for example

Razor is pretty good in low AR too imo

[ocean ember]

What are your chars?

I'd say invest on Xiangling but yeah, she specifically needs Bennett x'D

[fleet knot]

for context, i generally consider my artifact quality to be sub par
i talk to many people and find that, of those who farm artis even half as much as i do, that my artifacts are consistently worse as a trend

i had been reading some spreadsheets about damage calculations and artifact quality assumptions, and their baseline quality assumptions are quite literally 50-70% worse than my own artifacts

the math is done assuming very bad artifacts are low to mid investment

except for when they explicitly mention otherwise

its about understanding the goal of TC and who it doesnt really apply to
if you can 36* abyss, TC and meta ceases to matter pretty at all unless youre looking to whale and speedrun stuff, which is still a completely different game from normal TC
its about helping new or bad players reach a level of investment and understanding such that they can compete with all the content in the game as soon as possible

[ocean ember]

What I meant though is that most are pretty in-depth, definitely way more than most new players would look for. And, tbh, I doubt most people will have higher than 70% quality artifacts, even a bit more hardcore players (even farming for months can net you decent at best artifacts).

And I meant comparing to most other guides too though, that usually are reduced to a short list of what artifacts sets, main stats, rough team comps and no explanation as to why.

[fleet knot]

no like, theyre assuming that of the 45 potential substats that you can get from artifacts, that only 20 are even relevant to the character
not that 20 are crit, that 20 are relevant
like atk%, er, em, cr, cd, or other important stats

this is nothing

this is like a good +4 artifact

the assumed quality is so extremely sub par

[ocean ember]

In any case, I wouldn't say the content of a guide is catered towards new players just because of artifact stats assumptions. Suddenly having a perfect artifact won't make the synergy of the character with others change.

[fleet knot]

it does though

it significantly decreases reliance on bennett

[ocean ember]

KQM guides (many, at least, since some are pretty short/simple), compared to others, do a good job explaining synergies, why some duos work and why others don't.

[fleet knot]

as a f2p gets more established, they'll have more characters and even weapons to work with

1000 attack adds a lot more to a character with 1300 attack than a character with 2300 attack

[ocean ember]

I can agree with that, but KQM, iirc (at least from the ones I've read) don't list Bennett as required for most. They do tend to recommend him a lot, but rarely they don't give alternatives.

The only ones I remember that do kinda list him as required off the top of my head are Xiangling's, Childe's and nuke Mona.

Iirc Yanfei and Yoi's also have Bennett listed highly but at least I do know Yoi lists plenty of other good options.

Core of the Yoi comps they have listed iirc are Yoi/Xingqiu (not sure if VV holder too) for vape, Yoi/Beidou (or Fischl, can't remember) for overload and Yoi/Xingqiu/Beidou (or Fischl) for overvape. All list Bennett as a flex option iirc but give plenty of other alternatives.

In any case xD I wouldn't say they're catered to new players just because Bennett is recommended a lot. I personally rather not use Bennett myself, but most of them are pretty in-depth anyways, so I wouldn't disregard that part.

[gilded dock]

not to mention, yoi now runs yunjin, and with 4 different elements she apparently can perform better

[fleet knot]

yunjin w/ 4 elements is basically something that you ignore for team building and enjoy the benefits of when it happens to work out

however, what is worth mentioning is that as yoimiya's NA damage is now less reliant on her own attack, bennett is proportionately less effective

[ocean ember]

Yeah, Yun Jin kinda is Yoi's Bennett like Gorou is Itto's and Noelle's and Sara is Raiden's (maybe not to the same effectiveness/degree, I don't really know, but the point is Yoi, like mentioned, is now even less reliant on Bennett).

[modern raven]

I want a shielder for Ganyu. Would Diona or Zhongli be better? Diona could provide particles.

[ocean ember]

Diona is a good option, specially for a freeze Ganyu

[opaque bolt]

sorry had to wait to get home from work heres the pic of my char list

[ocean ember]

If you only need one team, you could do Yanfei, Beidou, Xingqiu and Jean

Yanfei is a pretty good 4* dps

That comp would be overvape, so you'd need a bit of investment on both Yanfei and Beidou (and preferably Xingqiu too but not that important, as he's mostly there to apply hydro)

Though I'm not sure if Beidou's electro application would be enough to let Yanfei always be the trigger to overload, best is paired with Fischl, unfortunately

Another option could be Razor, Kaeya, Xingqiu and maaybe Beidou

What's your AR?

[opaque bolt]

im ar42

[ocean ember]

Hmmm

Well, it's still somewhat early but yeah

I'd recommend a mono geo with Noelle as main dps but that kinda requires C6

[opaque bolt]

i was thinking about the noelle thing as well. i really like her and im that kind of guy who would main her lol

and yah sucks forgot to add she was c1

[ocean ember]

I think my best recommendation is Yanfei, Beidou, Xingqiu and Jean, though Beidou will probably need tons of ER and she might end up being the trigger instead of Yanfei, so probably EM too

You could try and make her the main dps, but I don't know how well it'd work pre C6 xD

You'd want Noelle, Ningg, Gorou and honestly not sure who could be the 4th spot, but would need to be an off-field character

Alternatively, another option could be cryo dps Kaeya with Chongyun, Diona and Xingqiu

[fleet knot]

if you want to use noelle, you do have gorou to make it work aswell

noelle trades dps for defense, she is genshin's bruiser

[modern raven]

I have a team with Diluc, C4 Xingqiu, Sucrose, and C1 Bennett. Once I get all(except for Sucrose) to be able to use their bursts, how should I prioritize moves? Right now, I am using: 1 Bennett's burst 2 Sucrose's skill (twice if sacrificial activates) 3 Xingqiu's burst 4 Diluc's burst 5 Alternate between skill and normal attack with Diluc, and then use normal attack once skill runs out.

But I'm wondering if this would be a better order because of the moves' durations:

1 Use Xingqiu's burst

[opaque bolt]

thanks for the help 🙂

[ocean ember]

Yw!

[modern raven]

2 Use Bennett's burst

3 Use Sucrose skill (twice if sacrificial activates)

4 Use Diluc burst

and then just attack

What do you say?

[ocean ember]

If you can make sure you're swirling pyro, that could work fine too

(Assuming you have 4p VV on Sucrose)

[fleet knot]

Nope that sounds about right

[lunar dove]

[trail ermine]

what are good teams for abyss?

[gilded dock]

Raiden national and freeze for the current one

[modern raven]

What does national mean?

[trail ermine]

whats national

[fleet knot]

national = bennett + xiangling + variations

[trail ermine]

oh

do yall know good teams that only use 5 stars?

[modern raven]

why would you want that

[trail ermine]

ive tried every 4 stars

i dont liek any playstyle

[modern raven]

your problems

[trail ermine]

why so rude?

[modern raven]

srry

[trail ermine]

this is a channel to ask for help dont come on here to be rude to people asking for help

[modern raven]

srry i didn't mean to be rude

[trail ermine]

its okay

the only 4 star i kinda liked to play was diona

[modern raven]

have you built xingqiu?

[trail ermine]

i know theres some good 4 stars but i just dont enjoy playing them

oh xingqiu is fun too

[modern raven]

precisely

[trail ermine]

diona and xingqiu i like

[modern raven]

ooh what about fischl

[trail ermine]

but not the other 4 stars

nah

not my style

only archer i lise is venti and ganyu

like*

[trail ermine]

nope he lvl 20 like most of my characters

[gilded dock]

@trail ermine you played her wrong, then

[trail ermine]

who?

[gilded dock]

You drop Q, switch
When oz expires, drop E, switch

Fischl

[trail ermine]

I've never played fischl

[modern raven]

reminds me of when I built Chongyun and Yanfei even though I don't have any use for them

[modern raven]

you don't have her?

[trail ermine]

i do

[gilded dock]

But if you want to metaslave

Ganyu
Ayaka / diona / shenhe
Mona
Venti

[trail ermine]

dont have mona

[modern raven]

Fischl I would describe as an inferior raiden

[trail ermine]

i have everyone exept diluc, mona and ayaka

[modern raven]

in that they are both off-field electro dps

[trail ermine]

i like raiden

shes on my current team

[modern raven]

lucky

I lost her to mona

[trail ermine]

oop

[gilded dock]

Raiden e and fischl e basically play the same way lol

[modern raven]

and fischl q for that matter

[trail ermine]

maybe idk

[fleet knot]

ganyu venti kokomi shenhe works then, but rosaria is probably better than shenhe here

[modern raven]

if you wanna know my setup it's

Diluc Xingqiu Sucrose Fischl/Bennett

[trail ermine]

aight ill see

[river ore]

@trail ermine has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[modern raven]

Second side is:

Ganyu Xiangling Bennett Diona

[trail ermine]

kokomi venti klee and raiden

but i need a second

[modern raven]

btw ganyu is my only banner character

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[fleet knot]

nonon

that team is detritus

[modern raven]

started back in June of last year after school got out if that interests you

[trail ermine]

i dont really care tbh if i really wanted something good id play with 4 stars too

[trail ermine]

I just play with who i find fun

[modern raven]

wdym detritus

[fleet knot]

means garbage

[modern raven]

garbage in what way

it's not like i have hu tao or kazuha

[fleet knot]

kokomi venti klee raiden?

[modern raven]

got none of those

[fleet knot]

thats the team im talking about

[trail ermine]

they talkign botu me

[fleet knot]

the single biggest way to increase damage in this game, more important than good artifacts or even weapons, is team synergy

that team has none

[modern raven]

wdym Xingqiu and Diluc deal vaporize and Sucrose provides EM buff

[fleet knot]

xolrz im not talking about your team

[trail ermine]

not everyone play to do damage some us want to enjoy playing with character we find fun to play

[modern raven]

ah

[trail ermine]

my team does perfectly fine for me to do quests

so i dont see a problem

[fleet knot]

you dont have to play for damage, but still having something helps a lot
you might find electro charged really fun if you just want to see numbers everywhere

[modern raven]

electro-charged is very satisfying

especially when you use overvape

[gilded dock]

Asking for team comps outside abyss is nonsensical, since even aloy can clear the overworld content

[fleet knot]

^

and even in the abyss, i dont play fully for the meta

the meta is a set of recommendations to deviate from

[trail ermine]

i was asking for abyss at first but idk why this is turning into insulting the team i use outside of abyss

[modern raven]

^^ right, there's no real strategy needed in overworld

[fleet knot]

i mean, klee is the main thing im trashing on

kokomi raiden + anemo starts something very satisfying

even if there are better options

[trail ermine]

Okay we all have opinions and i find klee satisfying to play so shes staying there

[gilded dock]

Kokomi will help fill a niche in my teambuilding mona just can't. So i am looking forward to that

[modern raven]

i'm looking forward to raiden's rerun when that happens

[gilded dock]

I am grabbing kokomi, then saving for kusanali atm

[modern raven]

who's kusanali

[gilded dock]

Dendro archon

[modern raven]

wonder what new reactions they'll add to dendro

[gilded dock]

Im still surprised chasm is in 2.6 and not 2.7

[modern raven]

I'm thinking dendro + geo would be something like root

As for which archon I'm most excited for, I'd say hydro

[gilded dock]

Hydro polearm /s

[modern raven]

Good

I actually thought that Signora would be Tsaritsa

Anyways im gonna pull for Ayato’s weapon too

[gilded dock]

You really didnt think that through

[trail ermine]

i thought she was first time i saw her

[modern raven]

A lot of people did

[silk nest]

i saw someone did elemental test on wood(?) i think they finally gonna buff electro

[modern raven]

HAHAHAHAHA

[modern raven]

lol

Please let him be a polearm mhy

Im begging

isn't he going to be claymore?

[grand kestrel]

anything but another sword or catalyst 😛

[silk nest]

i dont think so….

[trail ermine]

i thought he was sword user

[modern raven]

I COULD HANDLE A POLEARM

I don’t want him to be a sword im praying to god his stance changes like childe

[grand kestrel]

if he's a sword I can just ignore him

[trail ermine]

think it will

[modern raven]

I cant ignore him he’s hot

childe was fun

[trail ermine]

fair enough

[modern raven]

But hopefully I’ll have enough for his weapon when he comes out

[gilded dock]

Watch him br hydro claymore with a sword stance for ult

[modern raven]

That’s hot

I got claymores for days

[gilded dock]

I just want to have a use for painslasher

[modern raven]

do you think amber or xinyan is worse

Amber

[gilded dock]

Aloy

[trail ermine]

claymores are too slow for me i hope he isnt one

[modern raven]

I mean Mondstadt sword users are slow and kazoo is fast so

[gilded dock]

You really didn't read my sentence to the end /s

[modern raven]

Oh itto is quick I believe

[trail ermine]

i did

[silk nest]

kazooboi bestboi

[river ore]

@silk nest has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[modern raven]

i think xinyan is worse than amber because she can't consistently deal damage at least from my experience

[gilded dock]

And noelle can beat ass as long as abyss doesnt have a primovishap

[modern raven]

Neither can amber 😭

I say geo supremacy but I REALLY don’t wanna build Noelle

[modern raven]

at least if you get her to C2 the bunny will be superbuffed

Ningguang and Yunjin I can handle but…. noelle

Gorou is almost wrapped up, the triple crown is going to be put on a backburner while I focus on building Itto for abyss

[gilded dock]

Currently building yunjin since albedo e doesnt work with bosses and next abyss seems to have wolflord
And i want to show off a 40k+ noelle auto

[modern raven]

Bros gonna kick ass I can feel it

[modern raven]

You wanna do a contest to see whos geo claymore is better for fun?

[gilded dock]

But yeah... About building her...

[modern raven]

what's your "curse" when it comes to wishes? as in the character you keep getting

[modern raven]

Jean.

C3

Last 3 50/50 losses have been her

I cant escape

[modern raven]

earlier on it was Xiangling

[gilded dock]

I got a redhorn stonethresher and my noelle can currently go for like 38k normals in abyss.

[modern raven]

when it came to four stars

[modern raven]

Idk bro I got serpent spine and it’ll be fun

My Itto is c1 so its fine

[silk nest]

atleast noelle is hot

[modern raven]

I FORHOT ABOUT ZHONGLI

LMAOOO

[modern raven]

ironic since he's your pfp

One day

[gilded dock]

How much does your itto deal?

[modern raven]

He’s lv 50, but I was fucking around and gave him Albedo’s def build and the cow hit 120k

Bros got lv 2 talents and needs to chill

[silk nest]

wth imagine he’s lv90

[modern raven]

how long did it take you guys to beat baal v2?

I lost stonethersher to a r2 skyward harp. Collapsed right there

I was in shambles

[gilded dock]

The ushi certainly is the real ult of itto

[modern raven]

First try

[modern raven]

me too

I remember how I spammed all the bursts of my team

[modern raven]

Okay but the cow has no right to have such high scaling

Ushi solos…. Literally

[modern raven]

which were diluc ganyu xingqiu diona

I think 8-8-8 is a good spot to level Itto

[gilded dock]

Ushi makes zhongli look like a broke college student dmg-wise

[modern raven]

You’re so right 😭

[modern raven]

and once i started attacking with diluc i was doing a fraction of a centimeter every attack

[modern raven]

Oh I just used Razor

razor vs beidou?

especially for oceanid?

They are 2 very different kits

I use Razor over Beidou for oceanid

[gilded dock]

Just go for fischl and be done in 5 seconds

[modern raven]

I don’t wanna use fish :C

[modern raven]

what i currently use is: Fischl Ganyu Beidou Diluc

So are you up for the Itto vs noelle contest?

[modern raven]

naw cause i don't have itto lol

Talking to falthis lol

[gilded dock]

Not really. Especially since my team is still in an identity and mora crisis

[modern raven]

He’s got the advantage cuz I don’t have redhorn

[modern raven]

my beidou is C3 btw

[modern raven]

C6 🤣

how long have you guys been playing?

Since Ganyu’s first banner

[gilded dock]

502 days or so

[silk nest]

since klee rerun banner

[modern raven]

I NEED TO SPEND MY RESIN

Im about to hit ar56 like today

Hod domain or husk

I started in early June 2021, when school was out and in the last zoom class when we were in breakout rooms someone told me to check it out

Mmm

so 1.5

I think Ayato is getting his own artifact set so I’ll do husk

And work on Itto a little bit

Poor guy is holding onto Albedo’s pieces for dear life

[grand kestrel]

fuck we don't need any more fucking artifact sets

[modern raven]

yes we do lol

[grand kestrel]

we -need- them to fucking remove base stats and make the RNG better.

[wise oak]

does raiden use an er sands or atk sands

[grand kestrel]

depends on your build, but generally ER

[silk nest]

atk deal more dmg

[grand kestrel]

raiden special

gets attack from ER

[wise oak]

ok ok

her circlet would he like

crit dmg

or crit rate?

[grand kestrel]

depends on ratio

[silk nest]

yeh someone did vs atk deal more dmg than er

[wise oak]

yee

[grand kestrel]

depends on build august

[modern raven]

should i use r2 catch or r1 jade spear with xiangling?

[grand kestrel]

you may want to plug that into some theorycrafting there, I'd probably guess Jade, but I imagine it'd be close either way

[modern raven]

why is fischl so hard to get now

[grand kestrel]

Fischl has always been hard to get

pray that she shows up on a banner

pray that she shows up on a banner

[modern raven]

last time we got her was many months ago

in the klee 1.6

[grand kestrel]

yeh, well there's a not zero chance she'll show up with Ayato.

[modern raven]

ironic how she was the first character I ever got after the first three starters

although that was from standard banner

[gilded dock]

cough cough

[silk nest]

yae banner tho

[grand kestrel]

having her doesn't mean much after they gave her away for free. 😛 Having cons is more impressive, but still, luck of the draw. She's on the same list as Kaeya and Lisa.

[gilded dock]

fischl isn't on that list

and that was a leak

[grand kestrel]

oh

[fleet knot]

their track record is more or less 100% for this stuff

[rustic lily]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-omg-surprised-scared-kid-gif-10714204

[gilded dock]

if I really wanted to flex on those commoners

[rustic lily]

nice conste, i got her c6 too, she's a subdps/support beast

[gilded dock]

sucrose fischl xingqiu is one hell of a teal

[rustic lily]

niceee

[fleet knot]

owned

[rustic lily]

how many c6 chars you guys have?

[fleet knot]

8

[silk nest]

just diona i got her c6 instead hutao

[gilded dock]

to be fair, I didn't pull on klee rerun or childe's first rerun

[fleet knot]

neither did i

[tired burrow]

0 but that'll change on heizou banner

[fleet knot]

why tf would i summon on either of those if i hate klee and already had childe

[rustic lily]

nice barbara revives

[fleet knot]

bold of you to assume i use literally any of those characters except sara and xingqiu

(i dont)

[rustic lily]

but 4 stars are greatt

[fleet knot]

i use plenty of 4*
just not those ones

[silk nest]

the f2p was too stunned to speak

[tired burrow]

c2 keqing and diluc how many 50/50 have u lostt

[fleet knot]

same
(9)

[gilded dock]

c10 barbs cucked me on gorou cons =__="

[rustic lily]

atleast i don't have c1 qiqi HAHAHA

i get either jean, diluc or keqing

[silk nest]

qiqi loves us too much

[gilded dock]

highest 5* con

[tired burrow]

c21 sucrose thats like an unreal number

[grand kestrel]

16 >.>

not including traveller lol

[gilded dock]

i had her at c12 thx to albedo banner

and then raiden banner happened

[grand kestrel]

I have no way to know what my Sucrose constellation level is, she was C6 before I even found Paimon. XD

[gilded dock]

raiden banner gave me 7 sucrose

[rustic lily]

nicee sucrose loves u

[fleet knot]

behold, 2 characters i dont use at all

[tired burrow]

c26 xiangling

ok

ok how

[fleet knot]

playing since 1.0 be like

[tired burrow]

1 was free from abyss yes but

[rustic lily]

hyy xiangling's a great pyro burst dps

[tired burrow]

damnn

[gilded dock]

me trying for gorou without pulling itto

[silk nest]

GIVE ME 1 XIANGLING PLS

[tired burrow]

pov barbara dps

[fleet knot]

i mad disrespect xiangling on my account
ill recommend her to anyone who is looking for more power but personally?
1/1/1 talents

[gilded dock]

she's C10

[grand kestrel]

Three characters I don't use at all (one because I don't have him.)

[tired burrow]

at c69 she gets a machine gun

[tired burrow]

why yall picking the bEST 4 star supports and not using them ;-;

[grand kestrel]

because I'm a contrarian.

[gilded dock]

also me trying for yunjin on shenhe

[tired burrow]

ouch

[gilded dock]

gorou and yunjin are both at C0

[rustic lily]

righhhtt??

[gilded dock]

like

at least give me C2 yunjin

[rustic lily]

my baby ninggu's great

[gilded dock]

I'm preferring noelle

[tired burrow]

i dont have ninguang but i have her bis from pulling for polar star for childe

[gilded dock]

2.2 was not a good patch

[fleet knot]

imagine not having c4 yunjin

[grand kestrel]

I also don't use

[bleak river]

coming back to the x.x curse ic

[rustic lily]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-babel-frustrated-frustrating-frustration-gif-12109178

[rustic lily]

this is making me sad

ninggu deserves the best, a hidden geo missile mommy

[gilded dock]

I used like 50 wishes on shenhe banner and didn't get yunjin. so not by choice lol

[bleak river]

stuff i dont use: c2yunjin, c5 rosaria, c6 noelle, c3 ng, c4 cy

[grand kestrel]

I only got C1

[rustic lily]

must feel nice to have yunjin c2

[tired burrow]

i need rosaria for childe freeze wanna hand some over

[gilded dock]

hand over your yunjin lol

[bleak river]

sure just exchange yanfei consts thanks

[grand kestrel]

oh. apparently I haven't exported in a while

[modern raven]

We rockin with er itto?!?!

The other one was fucking garbage

[rustic lily]

if only we can like drop weapons in the game so co op friends can use it.. but ofc it'll be gone if co op ends

[bleak river]

ah right i oso got itto sitting on the bench

[rustic lily]

just like valorant

[modern raven]

Im trying for him I rlly am

[rustic lily]

my ganyu's benched too with her weapon

[river ore]

@rustic lily has leveled up to LEVEL 5

[bleak river]

eventually imma build mono geo but i dont have a gorou

[modern raven]

But I did discover that using Xiao in that domain was fun as hell

[silk nest]

fr

[modern raven]

Me and my 10k plunges

[rustic lily]

what domaiin, any domain?

[bleak river]

husk/clam domain

[rustic lily]

oohh the opulent domain

[modern raven]

He just sorta groups them

[grand kestrel]

not sure how Paimon is wrong 😛

[bleak river]

welp just manually do it lol

[grand kestrel]

I did

[rustic lily]

whats ur build on ayakaa? im building her now, just wanna see some reference/tips

[modern raven]

4 pc lucky dog prob

[grand kestrel]

I'm not really the right person for that, I haven't really put much effort into her.

[bleak river]

trash artis

[grand kestrel]

though I have not put 4 piece lucky dog on her.

[rustic lily]

is it worth leveling up her crit to atleast 40%? or as long as her cr dmg is 200+?

[grand kestrel]

I don't hate her, I just haven't built her yet.

[rustic lily]

my crit rate on ayak now is same around 20+

[bleak river]

i have no clue, i just slapped pieces on her

[grand kestrel]

depends on if you're building her for melt or freeze

[rustic lily]

ohhh wait we co-op'ed before right i think i saw this haha

[rustic lily]

freeze~ it's her niche

[modern raven]

Are you running double cryo?

[bleak river]

ye we have

[rustic lily]

yuppp ayaka-ganyu-xinqiu-kokomi

or ayaka-rosaria-xingqiu-kokomi

[modern raven]

You have an extra 30% CR from all that then

And if you’re running Rosaria at 100% that’s another 15%

So 65% cr on ayaya?

[rustic lily]

by 100% you mean rosaria at crit rate 100%?

[modern raven]

Yea

[rustic lily]

ohh i gotta check it later, i plan to group them like that in my head but haven't joined them together ingame

[bleak river]

wouldnt it be +55cr from freeze and cryo reso?

[modern raven]

Insnt bz +15%?

And cyro reso also +15%?

[bleak river]

bs is 40

[modern raven]

Ohhhhh

[bleak river]

20 for cyro, 20 more for frozen

[modern raven]

+15% From rosaria

[rustic lily]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-taking-notes-notes-michael-j-fox-im-writing-this-down-gif-16242461

[bleak river]

75 total with freeze and cryo reso alr

[silk nest]

20+20+20+15

[grand kestrel]

ooh, back to the future. XD

[rustic lily]

are u busy later? if we could co op and help check my ayakaa

[modern raven]

Im almost offended

[rustic lily]

what whyy

[modern raven]

I could give you ayaya tips on a silver platter

[bleak river]

i actually am busy later for a change

[rustic lily]

come!! ^^ the more the merrier

[rustic lily]

alright no problem

[grand kestrel]

why would you put them on a silver platter? Just use paper.

[rustic lily]

its coz i think im already friends with JHgamer ingame so i thought

[modern raven]

Silence meta slave

[tired burrow]

use a fan iykwim

[modern raven]

You main Ganyu

[grand kestrel]

you're the one trying to use meta(l) as a writing surface. 😛

[bleak river]

RIn feels very different compared to before

[grand kestrel]

he's feeling a little Oniirous.

[modern raven]

What does this mean

[rustic lily]

why, what's from before

[bleak river]

idk i cant rly put my finger on it

[grand kestrel]

a snickerdoodle

[modern raven]

💀

[cursive igloo]

ayaka havers is thoma not compatible with her in a melt build :0

[fleet knot]

thoma applies next to 0 pyro, ayaka far outpaces him

which means thoma would be the one melting

aka 0 damage

[slender vine]

Guys can anyone show me build of xiangling as DPS?

[cursive igloo]

damn what a pity :/ thanks

[fleet knot]

er/em, pyro, cr/cd
4sf/4cw/2no 2cw/2wt 2cw, etc

xiangling can use a TON of different set bonuses really well

if you've got the catch, you almost surely want to use an EM timepiece, or atk if you've got good atk pieces to use

but as there are so many options, id recommend using genshin optimizer

and itll try all those combinations for you

[slender vine]

Can u show me? The crit rate and crit damage ratio as wel

Well?

[fleet knot]

i can show you mine but ive been grinding for a while

actually here, this isnt that crazy

the 2500 attack is because of bennett's burst

this xiangling build does 20-30k per pyronado hit

its focused on very high energy recharge

[marble atlas]

dont answer that i remembered you can buy billets lmfao

ive been struggling to get one from wolf/dvalin

[gilded marsh]

why not use Wolf's Gravestone to build diuc

i m sorrrrry

[marble atlas]

cause xinyan holds that on my main

[sweet oak]

archaic

[marble atlas]

read gawd damn

😭

[sweet oak]

ik

[marble atlas]

bread i believed in you

[sweet oak]

but you'll get it eventually

[marble atlas]

wdym

[sweet oak]

you can buy billet, you can get archaic recipe early

[marble atlas]

thats why i said "dont answer that", cause i bought the bilet and just made archaic

💀

[sweet oak]

didn't read that far ahead

[marble atlas]

READ

[sweet oak]

I'm sorry

debate club I think

[gilded marsh]

build the guhua to use , it s was very using

[marble atlas]

yes

[gilded marsh]

do you?

[marble atlas]

sure

[gilded marsh]

@marble atlas do you have qiqi?

[marble atlas]

yeah

[gilded marsh]

i was so using to find the liyue material

update Xiao is good ,right?

or Zhongli

[rigid crater]

I have 2 widsiths, would it be better to refine or to lvl up both?

[gilded marsh]

yes

[fleet knot]

debate club is solid, arguably better than proto archaic until like level 70

[marble atlas]

i should just delete that at this point

[fleet knot]

i didnt mention how you could get one

i noticed that you already thought of archaic

[marble atlas]

i already got one

[fleet knot]

but im saying that debate club is potentially better until a certain point

i do not have the math to back this up, but ive got some good concepts

if the account is never gonna get to high ar

might aswell stick with debate club

[marble atlas]

well, its low ar that i never use so, math i dont really care about

and looking at it from a "long term" standpoint, if i were to reguarly play id rather invest in archaic and get that to 70

[junior spade]

Best build for zhongli?

[modern raven]

4 pc tenacity with triple hp% and r5 black tassel

[ebon otter]

probably depends if you want him purely for shield or burst dps

[modern raven]

Should I use 4 shimenawas or 4 crimsons for Yoimiya?

Or 2 of each ?

[strong vortex]

2 of each

[modern raven]

I see, ty!

[strong vortex]

Np

Best build for zhongli? :)) but i want to give some dmg whit ult.. is ok geo goblet + skyward spine ?

[ebon otter]

hp sands and geo goblet does the trick// i have 2pc archaic 2pc noblesse

[fleet knot]

If all else is equal, 4cw is her best option

4sr is best if you neglect her burst, but she does more damage (and so does your team) if you use it

And 4sr makes it too expensive to use her burst, so you lose a lot

Actually if you use yunjin

4sr might just be the best either way

I don't know, my info on yoimiya is not up to date 🗿

[urban ermine]

That's what I have on him + a crit hat (all 4pc millelith), he does a good job. 41K on his ult when he crits ans he isn't fully build yet (talents are at 7, except his aa)

[strong vortex]

How much hp do u have ?

[urban ermine]

That's a good question

Around 30K I think ?

Maybe 27K I can't remember

[strong vortex]

Yeah.. i want.. like a 20/25k on ult whit 40k hp :))

Maybe 30k :)) dmg

[urban ermine]

30K dmg I possible I think

I mean

He can do this

But 40K hp seems a bit too much

[strong vortex]

Like i fell i waste his ult if i make him full shield supp

[wise oak]

he has the highest scaling

i think

900 when crowned

[pseudo prawn]

Just unlocked on Weapon Event Banner. Who gets it?

[pseudo prawn]

Hu Tao has R2 Lvl70 Dragon's Bane
Rosaria has R3 Lvl70 Fav Lance
I don't really use XL, but she has Kitain Spear Lvl50

[grand kestrel]

not really useful for those characters tbh

[ocean ember]

Unfortunately Vortex Vanquisher isn't like that good on anyone, DB is better for Hu Tao, fav lance is better for rosa, kitain is afaik also better for Xiangling

I guess you could try it on Xiangling

But you'd have to make sure to get stacks before ulting, because her ult snapshots

[grand kestrel]

did you not get Yun Jin?

[ocean ember]

Well, I guess not, since I'm assuming those 4 are all their polearm characters

[grand kestrel]

it's possible they just don't know she's a polearm character lol

[silent tulip]

No, not really

thats from the fast equip menu

it shows all polearm chars

[grand kestrel]

oh, I've never used it lol

[pseudo prawn]

what is on the screen are all the Polearm characters I have

[pseudo prawn]

That's a bummer. Guess I'll give the Crescent Pike back to him.

[silent tulip]

CPike is good for a DPS/Juggernaut build

I mean... there are a lot of numbers when you use it

[rustic plank]

I do 2 millelith + 2 NO, with skyward
On lv 90 and lv 10 talent it deals around 72~78k dmg on geo comp

Hp is 34.5k and 1.6k atk

[strong vortex]

Well.. rn with talent lvl 4 2 millelith and lvl 90 skyward i deal 30k :))

[fleet knot]

most bursts have a higher scaling
for example: chongyun and sara have higher scalings
venti has higher scaling
itto eula childe have higher effective scalings as a result of their stats or reactions

[wise oak]

“i think”

[fleet knot]

ye just letting you know

[ocean ember]

If you have a physical build for Zhongli, then yeah now that you have Vortex Vanquisher, it's fine on him too (though I thiink Crescent Pike is still better, unfortunately; though Vortex looks way nicer imo haha).

[pseudo prawn]

Yeah, I only unlocked ZL about a week ago. Still learning his kit. I notice that I tend to prefer Shield Generation support

[fleet knot]

yeah vv is a very unfortunate weapon

[ocean ember]

For a shield support black tassel (or Homa, if you have a spare), maybe fav lance, are better than pike; for nuke, Homa, The Catch are pretty good and better than pike. You could try Vortex too for a nuke Zhongli I guess, though I think he doesn't gain stacks from off-field.

[elder light]

If i were to give my wavebreaker’s fin to raiden, would electro or attack goblet be better

[fleet knot]

yes

(decent chance electro is better but it will depend a lot on your timepiece and other subs)

the catch is free though, and id argue raiden is a higher priority for the catch than xiangling

because xiangling's extra options are still really good while raiden w/ the catch is crazy

but the only really accurate answer would be to put your artifacts in the Genshin Optimizer (https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/) and see whats best for you, because raiden's "best" stats for any given account have a massive range

tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjvbp4_b1xw

this video is slightly outdated, now there are automatic scanners you can use (https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/scanner/) to important all your artifacts at once

[neon maple]

what could i improve?

[marble atlas]

everything

[gilded dock]

Only shenhe can actually use vortex without memes