🔨・build-discussion

[oblique sierra]

No

No

[bold moth]

Yes

[oblique sierra]

No

[bold moth]

Yes

[oblique sierra]

No

[bold moth]

Hmmm how but welkins

[oblique sierra]

Still f2P

[autumn geyser]

ive gotten a couple of bp

[oblique sierra]

Still no

[autumn geyser]

but only if i hit lvl 50

[bold moth]

Yea me too

[autumn geyser]

cause before then its not really worth it to e

[oblique sierra]

Mihoyo playing on me

For top up.

I know that

[bold moth]

I did because of the death match for zhongli hehhehhe

[oblique sierra]

I wanna build only burst with the catch

Bruh i still bad mood

Why

Why

Why

Why

5️⃣

[autumn geyser]

5

[bold moth]

Your gud man u still have Noelle xzd

[autumn geyser]

yanfei shield

is my personal favorite

[bold moth]

Yea that too

[autumn geyser]

i need to start farming for artifacts again

i have like 0 fodder

[bold moth]

Wuts that

[autumn geyser]

artifacts used to upgrade eother artifecrs

dont click

[bold moth]

If u farm diluc pls just help wut art he needs

XD

Thats the main problem also Mora

Click wut

[gilded dock]

<@&874036938351448094>

[bold moth]

Wuts better black cliff claymore or prototype

[river ore]

@bold moth has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[autumn geyser]

i beileve its the black cliff

[gilded dock]

for?

[autumn geyser]

but the prototype is more f2p friendly

[autumn geyser]

vap diluc

[gilded dock]

Painslasher

Rainslasher: For obvious reasons, this weapon is only recommended when Diluc is in a team comp where he can consistently proc vaporize (i.e. when paired with Xingqiu). Rainslasher will also outperform Skyward Pride at [R3+].

[bold moth]

For diluc master

Hmm I got r5 prototype and c2 black cliff

[gilded dock]

refining blackcliff weapons feels like a waste tbh

[bold moth]

Well yes but I dump at that time xD

But I think that crit dmg has huge crit dmg

The black cliff I mean

Well this so helpful I know what to use I think

Fuck yea I swap yoimiya set for diluc and he got 20k E

Is that a gud thing?

[autumn geyser]

thats

really good

[autumn geyser]

should i take the 5p nobless off of ayaka

and build her like a sane person

[dull pebble]

Guys can someone tell me both dps and healer xingqiu build? Like what stats he needs and weapons also the domain

I chose Xingqiu from the lantern rite event but i dont quite understand about the builds

[gilded dock]

XQ healer is like shieldbot aether; doable but basically the worst way to use them

4 Emblem of Severed Fate
(ATK% / Hydro% / Crit%)
Sacrificial Sword (best option before C6)

and get about 180%+200% ER on him from substats
you basically EQE then switch off till his ult is ready again. or QEE if you are a bit laggy

[fleet knot]

i use 2glad 2shim, it gives me more damage than my remaining sf pieces or 2HoD 2glad/shim

[gilded dock]

seems more like a "you problem" situation, because you already say it's your leftover pieces

but that's not good advice

[fleet knot]

the real takeaway is that many things are close in viability, to the point where better offpieces can and will be a better option than worse on-set

and thats where GO comes in

it does all that math for you

people tend to overrated the difference between the best and next best options
for example, if you have a 5* weapon, atk% timepiece on hutao is within like 5% of an hp% timepiece

yet people call atk% dogshit useless on her because its not hp% or crits

this is ESPECIALLY true in the case of units who dont have a dedicated 4p set like xingqiu

mix and matching most of the classic 2p bonuses are generally quite similar in power

[gilded dock]

....

did you just say ESF wasn't a dedicated 4p set?

lol

[fleet knot]

considering xingqiu's e is a nuke

yeah

[gilded dock]

not as big as the DPS XQ can bring to the table

2,083.2% if you have 10/15 procs of Q

[fleet knot]

are you not aware that a single xingqiu e is 1023% scaling?

at TL11 (8+3)

[gilded dock]

you assume C6

they havee C0

[fleet knot]

i assume c5

but sure, TL9, lemme get that number rq

[gilded dock]

THEY LITERALLY SAID that's their first

[fleet knot]

if you dont have c6 its even more in favor of xingqiu's e

💀

because you lose the big 5 sword hit

[gilded dock]

at talent level 8, same level I used for the Q, it's 575%

vs 10/15 hits on Q for 2083.2%

[fleet knot]

ah yeah im still assuming c4, but the point stands regardless
they will get there eventually

TL9 c4 is 916% scaling on 1 e from xingqiu

[gilded dock]

which is less than half of Q still

so even with sac sword, the two are just about equal

[fleet knot]

yeah
so why would a set which ignores his e entirely, half his damage, be a custom set for him?

its his best set but by no means is it a dedicated 4p

the e damage absolutely makes these comparisons closer than you think

doing half the scaling means its more than 30% of his total damage

you know what else is roughly 30%?
eula's burst

[gilded dock]

keep in mind, I did the calcs at C0 with 10/15 hits
in theory, you could add another ~1000% on the Q damage

[fleet knot]

and this is half the scaling assuming no sac sword

more than 15 hits is unreasonable

getting 18 is impossible

and its not 1000% more scaling from the 3 extra hits unless youre c6

[gilded dock]

you don't quite listen to what I am posting apparently

I do get E is important, but you underestimate the Q

[fleet knot]

i really dont, i understand that 3 waves at c6 TL11 is about 1000% scaling, and 12-15 waves is reasonable per rotation
but if youre talking about c0 TL8, those 3 extra waves youre talking about are only 600% more total scaling

the point is that xingqiu's damage is absolutely not unilaterally burst damage

his e is a large ratio and it is entirely neglected with 4sf

the boosting 4sf gives does make up for it compared to other set bonuses, that is why its his best
but that is assuming identical artifact quality which does not happen in game

even a very slight edge in favor of the secondary set bonuses can tilt the scales

because theyre much closer than you think

[fleet knot]

actually, 15 waves of swords is entirely unreasonable at c0, because c2 increases his burst duration

[gilded dock]

I am talking TEN OUT OF FIFTEEN waves

not 12-15

lol

[fleet knot]

you cannot get 15 waves at c0

it does not happen

[gilded dock]

and I said I used 10 for the calculation

[fleet knot]

then at c0 TL8 youre looking at ~2171% total burst scaling and ~575% total e scaling
that makes his e worth more than 1/5 of his entire damage contribution, or more than 1/3 if you use sac sword

also assuming entirely single target

if youre vs 2 enemies

phew

it goes even more in favor of his e

sac sword + fighting 2 enemies has his e be OVER HALF of his total contribution

[gilded dock]

you are just arguing again for the sake of arguing, really

[fleet knot]

no, my point is that 2sf is his best but only by a small margin

off set pieces are almost surely better due to higher quality

so if youre fighting 2 ruin enemies, say, on 12-3-1
you would actually be doing more total damage if you focused on boosting his e damage exclusively than boosting his burst damage exclusively
this is a big claim made to paint the picture that xingqiu's e is broken and not worth neglecting to try and force a sub optimal 4p bonus

[fleet knot]

im not joking btw

[dull pebble]

wait why are you guys arguing/lh
And thank you for answering !

[modern raven]

I know I asked this before but is harbinger with 4 pc emblem fine if I don't wanna work on ascending my 3 star er sword since I don't have a 4 star er sword. I'd still be building him with 4 pc emblem but instead of an atk sands, I'd use an er sands to balance it out. He's c3 currently.

I'm pretty sure it'd do more dmg

Wait lemme use genshin dmg calculator

[gilded dock]

XQ without sac sword is really really painful

you don't even have fav sword?
or amenoma kageuchi?

[modern raven]

I really dont

😢

https://genshinimpactcalculator.com/genshinCalc.html

[gilded dock]

wat

that link doesn't have your stuff saved

[modern raven]

Oh

With er sword

With harbinger

I'm pretty sure harbinger is better

[gilded dock]

this is terrible to read ngl

and you ignore / underestimate the energy problems of XQ

the 180% recommended ER assumes you run R5 Sac Sword for double-E

[modern raven]

Hmm

[gilded dock]

you might want to craft up Amenoma Kageuchi till you got a sac sword. and it's still a good weapon on ayaka, jean, etc.

Actually, Amenoma Kageuchi and ER sands could do the trick. And keep atk sands for when you get sac sword

[modern raven]

I'm gonna be honest, I haven't even done the quest for that sword yet.

I guess I'll do it now

Thx for all ur help

How much er do u recommend he has with that build?

[gilded dock]

Amenoma Kageuchi + ER / Hydro / Crit gives about as much ER and ATK as
Sac Sword + ATK / Hydro / Crit, but still only one E activation.

180% is without C6 with a Sac Sword, so I'd suggest closer to 200% if possible. Also depends on your team

A raiden-powered team requires a bit less ER than one that doesnt have her or another dedicated battery

[modern raven]

K thx again

[ionic pier]

ermm hi I'm new here, can I have a question about team comps?

what character should I invest in?

[wise oak]

kaeya

[granite laurel]

XQ, Bennett, and maybe Sucrose can fit into any team

[gilded dock]

Childe, bennett, Xiangling, flex (Diona probs, or Sucrose)
Ayaka, Xingqiu/Mona, Shenhe, Rosaria / Kazuha

[wise oak]

kaeya

[gilded dock]

they are kinda new, so I don't want to recommend some low-reward build that can't beat abyss

and kaeya isn't beating abyss that hard

[silk wigeon]

agree

[gilded dock]

also, ayaka + shenhe isn't fair in terms of powerlevel lol

add in a kazuha and freeze from XQ / Mona and you got quite the damage

[wise oak]

oh true

build kaeya when u have the chance to 😈

[gilded dock]

so basically never, given F2P / low-budget ressources

[wise oak]

im ftp and iv built kaeya

idk what stuff ur on 💀

screw the five stars

[gilded dock]

if you can't 36-star abyss, you maybe should focus on other stuff atm, just my opinion

[wise oak]

im not a hardcore mb 🤩🤩

i only prioritize kaeya and xiao 🤩

plus i got on floor 12-3 so im fine with it

[lucid imp]

Does yunjin buff on burst affects raiden's burst?

[fleet knot]

i recommend investing the time into getting your stuff put into genshin optimizer, then you can share all that with a link instead of like 15 screenshots

like this

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/flex?v=4&d=1s10131c1s2c21111fhydro_enemyRes_2-565500K05ek0143g06b2ax39F1t59k0348W0942a612F1td9k0443z09x11u7a42tlyk0i4ai38W04z19N1ttyk0948111Y7aX24R1tB1gSacrificialSwordtR0e

[modern raven]

Ouch, it was only 6 screenshots but yeah I probably should have thought it through. Sorry 😔

[fleet knot]

i wasnt trying to insult or anything, but as falthis said directly afterwards, its just really hard to read all those screenshots

[ionic pier]

Ah noted

[wise oak]

shenhe for ur ayaka

💪

[gilded dock]

since beidou, for some goddamn reason, does not work, and yunjin specifies normal attacks, I am pretty sure yunjin DOES NOT work

[fleet knot]

yunjin definitely does not

she is normal attacks only

raiden burst is strictly considered burst damage

[lucid imp]

So, raiden's burst auto attack based on burst damage?

[fleet knot]

yes

thats why 4sf is by far and away her best set

it increases damn near all of her damage

[gilded dock]

and the damage it doesn't affect is like a fart compared to her musou no hitotachi

[fleet knot]

unlike a certain hydro sword character recently mentioned

[gilded dock]

stop digging that back up just to stir more trouble

[ionic pier]

Another question
Goblet : HP% and circlet : HP%
Or
Goblet : pyro dmg and circlet : Crit dmg/rate

Better for Bennett?

[fleet knot]

well they do distinctly different things

one will increase his healing, in which case hp/hb is better than hp/hp

and pyro/crit will make his burst slam do more damage

unless you have a good weapon for this or some really high quality artifacts, i wouldnt recommend it

[ionic pier]

Ah okay noted

[modern raven]

So I'm done with the quest and I crafted the amenoma, I have 3 sword billets left. Is it worth making more and refining it?

[fleet knot]

you can hold off on refining for now and see if you still need more energy

then refine until youre comfortable with how much is gives

[fleet knot]

another thing to consider, sumeru is probably coming within the next 2-3 patches

new region = new blacksmith weapons? seems likely to me

[modern raven]

I'll keep that in mind

Hello, Is this weapon good for yae? Saw some people are gonna use widsith but my widsith is being shared by mona and sucrose because I'm lazy to farm mats for another widsith

[fleet knot]

i dont think so
i saw some interesting ideas about it being really good for a sucrose taser team

on sucrose

but for yae, i doubt it

[river ore]

Hakushin Ring

A catalyst that carries the memory of the Kitsune Saiguu of ancient times. However, this device is but an impoverished vessel for the full breadth of her thought.

Sakura Saiguu

After the character equipped with this weapon triggers an Electro elemental reaction, nearby party members of an Elemental Type involved in the elemental reaction receive a 10%/12.5%/15%/17.5%/20% Elemental DMG Bonus for their element, lasting 6s. Elemental Bonuses gained in this way cannot be stacked.

Type

Catalyst

Rarity

4 ⭐

Source

Forging

Base ATK

565

Secondary Stat

Energy Recharge 30.6%

​

​

Ascensions Material

Distant Sea ​ ​ Prism ​ ​ Scroll

※ Stats numbers are at max level

[gilded dock]

eh, I'd say sac frags might still be worth it for the sheer EM

had hakushin ring been about EM as secondary stat, it'd be a no-brainer

[fleet knot]

it do be 20% damage bonus to the whole team in EC

6s is also practically nothing, so its good because sucrose can keep it up with the constant swirls

always doing both electro swirl and EC reactions from the swirls

[modern raven]

Is 50k hp for zhongli overkill? I'll have around that much once I lvl up all my artifacts.

[fleet knot]

thats a black tassel triple hp% zhongli for ya

[modern raven]

Mhm

[oblique pelican]

My zl has 50k+ hp and I can tank p much anything in the game

[fleet knot]

its the best budget build and arguably the best mega whale build too

there is an awkward middle ground where its better to try and make him do damage but its just too expensive imo

better off just taking investment in characters that actually deal damage even further beyond

also using a low investment zhongli build means you can ditch him with no regrets once you get a more fleshed out set of supports

[modern raven]

I mean he destroys slimes with his burst

[fleet knot]

them slimes never stood a chance

11-2-1 crying already

[round narwhal]

LMFASO

that was a good one bala

ngl

[gilded dock]

due to how EC works, and to increase sucrose's personal damage, I still think Sac Frag > Hakushin Ring

not to mention sac frags and C1 make sucrose a pretty good battery

[oblique pelican]

Widsith>every other 4 star out there

[gilded dock]

not on sucrose

[oblique pelican]

For dps(s)**

Oh, I thought we were talking about yae. Nvm

[fleet knot]

very well may be possible, im just bringing up something interesting i heard

[fleet knot]

i actually cannot BELIEVE sekapoko made an entire video on teams for yae miko without mentioning raiden ONCE

NOT EVEN ONCE

HE MENTIONED XIAO

[gilded dock]

that's like making a xiangling guide without mentioning national teams

I still don't see where yae would be good atm

[fleet knot]

well i had a dream that she has a 90 cost burst so you'll basically need electro resonance

and perhaps a battery

[bleak river]

Which is raiden basically

[fleet knot]

so raiden yae + 2 supports

like kazuha xingqiu

or kazuha bennett

[bleak river]

That's a lot of supports

For just yae

[fleet knot]

raiden hypercarry

with 1 sub dps and 2 supports

[bleak river]

Tru

[autumn geyser]

would it be better to run sac or favonius on xinqiu c2

[bleak river]

Sac imo/p sure

[autumn geyser]

thanks

im thinking of using him for vap diluc

[bleak river]

Sounds good

[river ore]

@bleak river has leveled up to LEVEL 15

[autumn geyser]

E,Q,E right?

[bleak river]

Mhm

[fleet knot]

if you have c4, qee > eqe

[river ore]

Yanfei

SHIELD SUPPORT

**
(Require C4+) This section is dedicated to a playstyle where Yanfei is utilised as a primary shielder through her 4th Constellation. Due to the requirement of having to burst off cooldown, this build has high energy requirements.
**

MAIN STATS

Sands: Energy Recharge / HP%
Goblet: HP%
Circlet: HP%

SUB STATS

1. Energy Recharge
2. HP%
3. Flat HP

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Talent provide nothing for this role and it is not recommended to level them.

WEAPON

1. Prototype Amber (4★)
2. Favonius Codex (4★)
3. Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayers (3★)

ARTIFACT

1. Emblem of Severed Fate (2) Tenacity of the Millelith (2)
2. Noblesse Oblige (4)

ABILITY TIP

Energy Recharge Guidelines
Prototype Amber [R5]: 210 ER
Prototype Amber [R1] /Favonius Codex: 240 ER
Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayers: 250+ ER

Press button below to see other build

[autumn geyser]

paimon

live

[river ore]

Yanfei

DPS 👍

Yanfei can have trouble trying to set up for her reaction DPS. Vaporize is generally the more consistent option and you need Xingqiu to make this work best. When running a Vaporize team with Xingqiu, 3 normal attacks into a charged attack (N1>N2>N3>C) is the safest and most reliable way to vaporize your charged attacks. Make sure you're adding applying hydro first before starting combos.

Regarding Weapon Choices:
Lost Prayer to the Sacred Winds: Bennett buff/ Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayer's buff + Noblesse Oblige (4) will push Lost Prayer ahead of Skyward Atlas and Memory of Dust
Dodoco Tales: On equal refinements, Widsith is better than Dodoco Tales, but assuming it's [R5] Dodoco Tales vs [R1]-[R3] Widsith, [R5] Dodoco Tales is better. **Note that Bennett buff / Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayer's buff + Noblesse Oblige (4) buff may push Widsith and Solar Pearl above Dodoco Tales, even at low refinements.
**
Regarding Artifact Set:
**Retracing Bolide (4): **Running Yanfei with a shield character also allows you to make use of a full Retracing Bolide 4-set as a placeholder until you're able to find a good Crimson Witch 4-set.

**Regarding Artifact Substats Priority:
**Energy Recharge is prioritized over Elemental Mastery here since she has an 80 energy burst cost while her skill is also not very efficient at generating particles for getting it back. A major source of your energy will be coming from enemies as well as potential pyro batteries like Bennett, so be sure to have her pick the particles up as off-field characters only get 0.6x the value of the particles.

MAIN STATS

Sands: ATK% / Elemental Mastery
Goblet: Pyro DMG
Circlet: Crit Rate / DMG

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. ATK%
3. Energy Recharge
4. Elemental Mastery
5. Flat ATK

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Normal Attack
2. Burst
3. Skill

WEAPON

1. Skyward Atlas (5★)
2. Memory of Dust (5★)
3. Lost Prayer to the Sacred Winds (5★)
4. The Widsith [R5] (4★)
5. Dodoco Tales [R5] (4★)
6. Solar Pearl (4★)
7. The Widsith [R1-4] (4★)
8. Blackcliff Agate (4★)
9. Mappa Mare (4★)

ARTIFACT

1. Crimson Witch of Flames (4)
2. Wanderer's Troupe (4)
3. Choose 2: Crimson Witch of Flames (2) / +18% ATK Set (2) / Wanderer's Troupe (2)
4. Retracing Bolide (4)

ABILITY TIP

Yanfei's Ascension 4 Talent does a second hit after a Crit Charge Attack. This scales 80% of your ATK and can trigger reactions as well due to having a separate internal cooldown on its pyro application.

[autumn geyser]

thank u

[bleak river]

#🤖・bot-spam

[hasty sphinx]

Eula Rosaria Lisa Jean(C2) or Zhongli?

[fleet knot]

beidou is probably better than lisa for total team damage despite lisa's DEF shred

like beidou fischl instead of lisa jean

but then you've got 0 defense to replace rosaria for diona or smth

eula has total knockback immunity without a shield so zhongli doesnt add much

[hasty sphinx]

how much lvl should i lvl up my diona talents?

[spring iron]

Any good ganyu teams? I got her recently!!

[fleet knot]

lots

but it depends on what else you have

and if you want to run freeze or melt

freeze is easier with a higher damage ceiling

melt is better for single target but also tends to be a bit harder to play

[river ore]

Xiao

DPS 👍

**
**Xiao has issues with Energy regeneration because he cannot generate any particles with his Elemental Skill while his Burst is active, so it is not suggested to use his Elemental Skill during Elemental Burst.

Start off a fight by casting the skill of your Anemo Battery and then casting his skill twice then cast your burst immediately. You will want to be half way through your burst animation before the particles reach you, so this way you can start off your burst with a portion of the energy gauge already filled. Same goes for any other Anemo Battery (recommended below), cast skill and swap back to Xiao to cast burst before the particles reach you.

**You'll want to pair Xiao with another Anemo character **(Venti, Sucrose, Jean or Anemo Traveler) to help him gain energy while his Elemental Burst is on cooldown. Xiao's Elemental Burst ends when you swap to another character. Although he has two charges of his Elemental Skill, only ONE charge comes back per cooldown.

Regarding Weapon Choices: With a proper anemo battery (e.g. Sucrose), Xiao needs as little as 120-130% ER to maintain a high burst uptime. In these scenarios, unless there are no ER from substats, you should always go for a non-ER weapon as it will result in more damage.
**Calamity Queller: **This weapon has a really high Base ATK, which means you benefit more from ATK% buffs (e.g. Thrilling Tales of the Dragon Slayers) if compared with other weapons.

**Regarding Artifact Sets: **Prioritize Viridescent Venerer over the other 2 +18% ATK sets if there are external ATK% buff sources on your team.

MAIN STATS

Sands: ATK%
Goblet: Anemo DMG
Circlet: Crit DMG / Crit Rate

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. ATK%
3. Energy Recharge
4. Elemental Mastery
5. Flat ATK

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Normal Attack
2. Burst
3. Skill

WEAPON

1. Primordial Jade Winged-Spear (5★)
2. Staff of Homa (5★)
3. Vortex Vanquisher (5★)
4. Calamity Queller (5★)
5. Deathmatch (4★)
6. Lithic Spear [S2] (4★)
7. Blackcliff Pole (4★)
8. Engulfing Lightning (5★)
9. Skyward Spine (5★)
10. Favonius Lance (4★)
11. White Tassel (3★)
12. Halberd (3★)

ARTIFACT

1. Choose 2: Viridescent Venerer (2) / Gladiator's Finale (2) / Shimenawa's Reminiscence (2)

ABILITY TIP

Regarding Xiao's Optimal Skill Rotation:
Skill -> Skill -> Burst -> Plunge Combo

Regarding Xiao's Plunge Combo:
Best combo for Xiao when fighting a single target:
Plunge -> Normal Attack -> Charged Attack -> Plunge

Best combo for Xiao when fighting multiple enemies:
Plunge -> Normal Attack -> Plunge

[spring iron]

Oh okay. I might be better off with a freeze team then.

[hasty sphinx]

Should I crown kazuha burst or skill?

[oblique pelican]

Why not both?

[bleak river]

Indeed why not both

[abstract rain]

If you only have one crown, use it on burst

[rancid jungle]

Does anyone know the disclosure of version 2.6?

[ocean ember]

Not sure what you mean, but only version 2.5 has been officially announced. Reliable leaks for 2.6 will start when its beta is released, so in like 2 weeks I think.

[rancid jungle]

I heard that 2.6 is ayaka and kazuha

[ocean ember]

Confirmed is Ayato, rumoured is ||Kazuha and Venti, though Ayaka may also be included||.

And either way, there's no way to confirm banners until they are officially confirmed by Mihoyo on the livestream. Ayato is "confirmed" due to the drip marketing, though it'll be 100% confirmed once beta drops, like Yae.

[rancid jungle]

Looking forward to ayaka, I like it very much

[round narwhal]

please noooooooo 💀💀💀

i need all of them

[crystal heath]

really looking forward to kazuha :)

didnt come in this patch

[ocean ember]

I just wish ||Venti|| is later lmao, so I can get Ayato. Want ||Kazuha|| cons too but those can wait lmao.

[round narwhal]

ME TOO i have neither SOOO

[ocean ember]

I'm glad about this, more time to save on my side for him lmao.

[round narwhal]

u can feel the pain

[crystal heath]

nice

i farmed all things

just need one circlet or sands of em

and one caan be offset

[ocean ember]

Neato

[autumn geyser]

id go with 2-3, 6/8, 8

[gilded dock]

1-8-8 is the minimum tbh

if you want to go higher, crown E before Q tbh

[rigid crater]

Who are the best shield users in order from strongest shield to weakest?

[ocean ember]

Zhongli -> Thoma (on max stacks on burst) -> Noelle I think (but she has uptime issues on her shield) -> Diona -> Xinyan IF I recall correctly

You should pick based on your comp though, it's usually Zhongli or Diona (Diona specially for cryo comps). Thoma works best with Hu Tao and a VV user.

[oblique pelican]

Where's tankfei?

[ocean ember]

Ah right, but tbh I don't know how her shield compares to others xD

[gilded dock]

<@&874036938351448094>

[modern raven]

Not me I hate her

[modern raven]

Atk everythung

[frosty terrace]

2 pc pale flame 2 pc bloodstain at least 3k atk, 200 crit dmg, 50 crit rate
aquila favonia
(satire)

[modern raven]

Would u guys say jean, xingqiu, Bennett and zhongli is a good team comp?

[fleet knot]

Not really

[modern raven]

Ok cool

[tired burrow]

depends who dps

[modern raven]

Jean is

[tired burrow]

if she's physical then ig it's not that bad cuz you have bennett for atk buff and zhongli for petrified but afaik running jean as swirl dps is iffy

[modern raven]

She's more of a hybrid dps

2 pc glad 2 pc pale, anemo dmg goblet

[tired burrow]

oh well then that's def primarily physical

some anemo yea but you've got 2 artifact sets for dmg bonuses and all ur teamates except xq help with phys too

what's xq doing on the team tho/

[modern raven]

I'm still building him and I don't even have Bennett yet, I was just wondering if it would be a good team comp

[tired burrow]

oh, then save xq for another comp

he helps in reaction comps, no so much in physical

expecially not jean e

[modern raven]

Mhm

[fleet knot]

If you want to do phys dps you need superconduct, non negotiable

So if that phys dps is not cryo or electro, your team is very restricted

[modern raven]

I was gonna build fischl so I guess I just need a cyro character to build

Keaya or diona? I have chongyun but he'll mess up the physical dmg for jean

I have keaya at c1 and diona at c0

[fleet knot]

Kaeya does a lot more damage, diona can heal

Up to you to decide what you need or want more

[tired burrow]

jean heals so might go with kaeya

[modern raven]

I don't really think I need heals with jean being on the field pretty much all the time

So would I build keaya as a burst support to continuously apply cyro and fischl as an off field dps to maximize Oz's dmg?

And to apply electro thus resulting in superconduct

[fleet knot]

@ShadowHunter#7426

[modern raven]

Where he go

[urban plaza]

To get milk XD

[modern raven]

LMAOOOOO

[urban plaza]

Hehehhe Glad I could make you laugh

[warped geyser]

e

e

hm

[autumn geyser]

4p blizzaard strayer yanfei 👿

10/10 would recommend

[sweet oak]

imagine if I had bs

<@&874036938351448094>

[rustic lily]

WHAATT

[queen apex]

Hi guys, what do you guys build venti with? Em/em/em or atk/anemo/crit?

[glass finch]

em/em/em typically

[urban plaza]

There was a video (Tenha's I guess) where he showed that EM Venti was hitting harder than the DPS (Atk/anemo/crit) build

[crystal heath]

yea anemo supports deal higher on em ig

[urban plaza]

Yee

[fleet knot]

It depends on the quality of your artifacts
Venti actually hits so hard that if your artis are good enough, he can deal more damage with hybrid or offensive artifacts than triple em

Mine is using em anemo crit if in not mistaken

[silent tulip]

Triple EM's cool for a lower-effort build.
Like.. you know that if you go triple EM you'll hit hard, while with offensive stats you might wanna think if it's better/what artifacts are better

Though im pretty sure that applies only to venti

... actually maybe Anemo MC

[gilded dock]

post 1.6, venti goes triple EM as well

[silent tulip]

hm

honestly i didn't really read on the 1.6 EM buff

i know it was supposed to buff electro, but it gave anemo steroids

[gilded dock]

all trans. reactions

[silent tulip]

It made the other ones able to compare with Vape and Melt

[crude gull]

@everyone
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[oblique pelican]

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[modern raven]

@everyone 3 month nitro for free, take it :)
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[fleet knot]

eh, it basically didnt buff electo at all

it came out just before kazuha and it buffed swirl the most

coincidence? definitely not imo

[silent tulip]

not sure why tbh

i've seen people say they'll pull for kazuha ever since he got leaked

A lot of them in fact

[fleet knot]

and yet despite the buffs he still had some of the lowest sales to date

[ocean ember]

Well, a lot of people called him trash on his release

I know a ton of them want to pull him on his rerun xD

[fleet knot]

people called him unnecessary because sucrose exists, but calling him comparable to sucrose is a big compliment

[ocean ember]

They fill different roles though

And yeah, people calling him a 5* Sucrose didn't get that at the time (most people didn't anyways)

[silent tulip]

@fleet knot How likely is an atk% circlet to outperform a crit% one on ganyu?

[fleet knot]

yeah, especially for electro or mono comps
but in the case of reaction comps, which were basically the only teams that existed then (no raiden), it was definitely true

[fleet knot]

basically impossible, especially as all her best weapons are atk% based

it it rolls 40 crit damage then maybe

[silent tulip]

Hm

[ocean ember]

Also freeze.
In any case, I'd say that C2 Kazuha can outperform Sucrose even in reaction focused teams.

[fleet knot]

well yeah but usually people dont talk about constellations

nor 5* weapons

c0r1 kazuha is kinda cracked

c2r1 kazuha is built different

i wouldnt really rate kazuha that highly for freeze though tbh
he works well enough for the vague idea, but the core behind it (specifically for ganyu) cannot be achieved with kazuha at all

[ocean ember]

I agree with this though, yeah

Well, he's better at freeze that Sucrose, that's what I meant xD and also, Morgana isn't all freeze there is. However, I do agree Venti is generally better, but Kazuha comes second.

[fleet knot]

ah, yeah definitely better than sucrose for freeze

i think the biggest thing that took time to discover about kazuha (excluding the release of new units) was the double swirl to make him comparable or slightly better than sucrose for reaction teams

but im ngl, i have not seen a single person ever do the double swirl setups for kazuha

i think they've just heard that he can be better and ignored the part where its based on how you play it

so then you get people touting that hes p much better than sucrose everywhere, which is overrating him

[ocean ember]

I agree with that, yeah. Though I do see people doing double swirl on national team though, admittedly not that super frequent haha. I myself I'm still trying to get it right on a Hu Tao/Thoma/Xingqiu comp (though I think I'll stick with Sucrose on that one, as I need the EM share there right now).

[gilded dock]

double-swirl is an interesting scenario where you abuse the PHEC order

[fleet knot]

the em share is a lot more accessible, yeah
though i wouldnt really call just the EM share worth it unless you can also vv shred pyro res

for hutao

[fleet knot]

eeh not really, its more about abusing self infusion, specifically with bennett

double swirl rotations without bennett are much, much harder

[gilded dock]

oh yeah ok I get what you were talking about now

but you can also infuse with say electro, then have it swirl hydro in an EC comp for example etc

[fleet knot]

yeah that one is easy to pull off, though sucrose is better for ex/taser comps than kazuha because she can spam far more swirls

[modern raven]

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@gilded dock have your built Yunjin yet? If so, is she viable in abyss?

[gilded dock]

not yet. farmed other stuff before.

[modern raven]

You** not your

[gilded dock]

but since albedo doesn't look viable vs wolflord and the like next abyss, she'll be replacing that dude

just need the talent books, mora, and artifacts

[modern raven]

Oh okok. So is she viable for it or does she only work in a niche like Shenhe?

[fleet knot]

shes a bit niche in that she only boosts normal attacks

shenhe boosts literally all cryo damage, but she only has 5-7 stacks

so unless the comp is heavily NA based, yunjin is not an optimal slot in

takeaway: yunjin is for physical comps and yoimiya
maybe hutao if you have nothing else

[gilded dock]

Noelle does many normals and has some decently-high modifiers between redhorn giving 88.2% CD and Husk giving 24% + 46.6% geo dmg bonus.

And since albedo won't work for the next abyss, she's kinda the replacement

[grand kestrel]

She's also good for any character that enhances their normal attacks with elemental damage. If you play them that way.

but yeah, Yoimiya is probably the only one of those that gets negative benefit for charged attacking.

[fleet knot]

redhorn's NA damage is not damage bonus that would buff yunjin's damage

[gilded dock]

I specifically mentioned the 88.2% CD it provides, not the passive

Since getting 200% CD is rather easy with that

[fleet knot]

true

[gilded dock]

Also, between husk, geo resonance, zhongli shield (and c6 gorou if i had him), the boni just keep stacking up.

Not as high as yoimiya, but good enough for some types of abyss. Hence my choice to replqce albedo with yunjin for wolflord

[fleet knot]

its not that yoimiya has a ton of bonuses, is that she attacks so fast

[grand kestrel]

yeah Yoimiya will never do the massive numbers, she'll just throw so many of them that it ends up being huge anyway XD

[fleet knot]

yoimiya with tp and yunjin finally not mid

i know a few yoimiya mains, happy for em

[modern raven]

Idk. Thinking about building someone else for Abgaa

Abyss**

Lamp

Sto

[ocean ember]

Bit late but yeah, in a Hu Tao comp I'd swirl pyro (thanks to Thoma). For now, I do Thoma E Q -> Sucrose E -> Xingqiu Q E E (maybe add another swap to Sucrose to quickly swirl hydro) -> Hu Tao E Q. The optimal is doing Xingqiu before Thoma, but is much harder and inconsistent (for me at least) to be able to double swirl (I usually end up just swirling hydro). It's easier with Sucrose than Kazuha, but I still can't do it consistently.

On the other hand, yeah, I've run Keqing/Xingqiu/Jean (or Bennett, depending on the content)/Kazuha or Sucrose and double swirling hydro and electro is pretty easy in comparison, haha.

[river ore]

Noelle

DPS 👍

**It's recommended to avoid building a DPS Noelle if she's not [C5+].
**Noelle DPS is best optimized at [C6] where she converts an additional 50% DEF into ATK. Her ability to sustain her team with shields, heals and AOE damage makes for a reliable DPS when your team is built around her.

**Regarding Weapon Choices:
Serpent Spine: **When using Husk of Opulent Dreams, Serpent Spine stacks are prioritized over Husk of the Opulent Dreams stacks, due to their conflicting nature in gaining stacks (Off-field and on-field)
**Skyward Pride: **Useful if you are unable to get ER from your substats. Does really well while its passive is active, but falls off in sustained fights. Comfort option that has quite a big power gap if compared with Serpent Spine or Whiteblind.
**Favonius Greatsword: **Only recommended with high refines, as its usefulness scales with its particle generation capabilities. R5 allows her to self-battery assuming some additional particles from enemies, but a second Geo is always recommended regardless for resonance.

**Regarding Artifact Sets:
Husk of Opulent Dreams (4): Noelle snapshots her DEF on burst cast. To get the full 4 stacks' DEF% boost during your first burst, you need to wait 12 seconds off field before swapping in. In abyss, time spent before the chamber starts still generates stacks.
Retracing Bolide (4): **Optimally offers slightly less damage than Gladiator's, but is much easier to farm per resin and can have 100% uptime with crystallise shields. Consider Gladiator's Finale if you don't want to farm for Archaic Petra as Artifact Strongbox is much more effective than elite bosses in terms of artifacts per resin.

MAIN STATS

Sands: DEF% / ATK%
Goblet: Geo DMG
Circlet: Crit Rate / DMG

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. Energy Recharge (~20-30%)
3. DEF%

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Normal Attack
2. Burst
3. Skill

WEAPON

1. Redhorn Stonethresher (5★)
2. Serpent Spine (4★)
3. Whiteblind (4★)
4. Skyward Pride (5★)
5. Favonius Greatsword (4★)

ARTIFACT

1. Husk of Opulent Dreams (4)
2. Retracing Bolide (4)
3. Gladiator's Finale (4)
4. Husk of Opulent Dreams (2) Archaic Petra (2)

ABILITY TIP

Optimal attack rotation is N1>N2>N3>N4>dash/hop, where N refers to each normal attack in her 4 hit combo. This isn't always feasible due to cast time and N4 covers a lesser AoE than N1-3 (as well as knockback issues), so the recommended rotation is N1>N2>N3>dash/hop.

[river ore]

Albedo

OFF-FIELD DPS 👍

Albedo is a character that can summon a Geo Construct from his Elemental Skill which deals damage on a 2 second interval whenever enemies in the field are damaged. His Elemental Burst provides 125 EM to the party, which is good on teams that rely on amplification reactions, such as Vaporize. It is worth noting that since his stat priority is focused on DEF (Elemental Skill scaling), you might want to skip casting Elemental Burst if your team doesn't benefit from the 125 EM buff. Another option is to build him with ATK-DEF Hybrid, which ends up with lower Skill damage but higher Burst damage.

Regarding Weapon Choices:
Primordial Jade Cutter: On a Hybrid build where Albedo casts his Elemental Burst, this weapon can be a better option than Cinnabar Spindle on certain situations, such as AoE where Albedo's Burst hits multiple enemies or when there are external ATK buffs like Bennett's Burst. On a pure Elemental Skill focused Albedo or Single Target situations for Hybrid Albedo, Cinnabar Spindle is the better option, so choose wisely.
Harbinger of Dawn: Albedo's Elemental Skill scales with Defense, which is why the Base ATK from the weapon doesn't matter that much. Harbinger of Dawn offers a lot of Crit stats which is why it is one of the strongest weapons for him despite being a 3 star weapon. The downside of this weapon is that you'd need to keep Albedo's HP at 90% or higher to benefit from the passive, so it might be annoying to use against certain enemies which has a HP lowering debuff, even when off-field, such as Corrosion.
Mistsplitter Reforged: Realistically you are only able to get 2 stacks of this weapon's passive and this requires setup. Generally just use Harbinger of Dawn instead and give your Mistsplitter Reforged to another sword DPS character.
Freedom-Sworn: Equipping this weapon will decrease Albedo's own damage significantly but he is one of the better Freedom-Sworn holders since he can trigger the passive quite easily to buff your other party members.

Regarding Artifact Sets:
Husk of Opulent Dreams (4): Due to Albedo's skill snapshotting upon cast, you need to either wait ~12 seconds before starting a domain/fight to reach max stacks or recast his skill to benefit from the DEF and Geo DMG bonus provided by the 4 piece set effect.
Tenacity of the Milelith (4): This set is used for the 4 piece set effect which has good uptime on Albedo. Worth noting that this set decreases your Elemental Skill damage by a lot if compared to the other offensive sets.
Noblesse Oblige (4): If you don't have another character in your party that has this set, you can use this set on Albedo. You might want to get some Energy Recharge substats to maintain your Elemental Burst uptime for this. It is also worth noting that this set decreases your Elemental Skill damage by a lot if compared to the other offensive sets.

Regarding Artifact Substats Priority:
ATK and Energy Recharge substats are only valuable on a Hybrid Albedo that casts his Elemental Burst.

MAIN STATS

Sands: DEF%
Goblet: Geo DMG
Circlet: Crit Rate / DMG / DEF%

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. DEF%
3. ATK%
4. Energy Recharge
5. Flat DEF
6. Flat ATK

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Skill
2. Burst

WEAPON

1. Primordial Jade Cutter (5★)
2. Cinnabar Spindle [R5] (4★)
3. Harbinger of Dawn (3★)
4. Mistsplitter Reforged (5★)
5. Freedom-Sworn (5★)

ARTIFACT

1. Husk of Opulent Dreams (4)
2. Husk of Opulent Dreams (2) Archaic Petra (2)
3. Noblesse Oblige (2) Archaic Petra (2)
4. Tenacity of the Millelith (4)
5. Noblesse Oblige (4)

ABILITY TIP

Albedo's Elemental Skill particle generation is completely RNG like Zhongli, but with better odds.

Klee

DPS 👍

Extremely squishy, Klee requires great positioning. Being tiny, this is hard to achieve. Constant jumping during your Charged Attacks can help.

Regarding Weapon Choice:
Lost Prayer to the Sacred Winds: Bennett buff/ Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayer's buff + Noblesse Oblige (4) will push Lost Prayer ahead of Skyward Atlas and Memory of Dust
Dodoco Tales: On equal refinements, Widsith and Solar Pearl are better than Dodoco Tales, but when assuming [R5] Dodoco Tales vs [R1]-[R3] Widsith/Pearl, Dodoco Tales is better. Note that Bennett buff / Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayer's buff + Noblesse Oblige (4) buff may push Widsith and Solar Pearl above Dodoco Tales, even at low refinements.

Regarding Artifact Sets:
**Lavawalker (4): **Klee's kit makes it harder to utilize Vaporize and Melt the same way another pyro carry would, but her constant pyro application makes Lavawalkers a viable set. See KleefulFrame's great number breakdown https://bit.ly/3A1ChWQ
**Crimson Witch of Flames (4): **This set is best used on a Vaporize Klee, but do note that due to Klee's fast Pyro application from all of her kits, she may not be able to vape most of her Normal/ Charged Attacks.
**Wanderer's Troupe (4): **Wanderer's Troupe increases the Charged Attack by another 35% Damage Bonus. It can serve as a decent DPS choice but due to how clunky Klee's attack animations are, it's hard to put this in actual practise as it requires you to dodge more and consume more stamina, not to mention how the DPS gets caught up by the other builds mentioned above.

MAIN STATS

Sands: ATK%
Goblet: Pyro DMG
Circlet: Crit Rate / DMG

SUB STATS

1. Crit Rate / DMG
2. ATK%
3. Elemental Mastery
4. Energy Recharge
5. Flat ATK

TALENT PRIORITY

1. Normal Attack
2. Burst
3. Skill

WEAPON

1. Skyward Atlas (5★)
2. Memory of Dust (5★)
3. Lost Prayer to the Sacred Winds (5★)
4. Dodoco Tales [R5] (4★)
5. Solar Pearl (4★)
6. The Widsith (4★)
7. Blackcliff Agate (4★)
8. Mappa Mare (4★)
9. Magic Guide (3★)

ARTIFACT

1. Crimson Witch of Flames (2) +18% ATK Set (2)
2. Lavawalker (4)
3. Crimson Witch of Flames (4)
4. Crimson Witch of Flames (2) Noblesse Oblige (2)
5. Wanderer's Troupe (4)

ABILITY TIP

Klee's Attacks have a 50% chance of spawning a floating star. Floating star removes the stamina cost for the next Charged Attack and increases 50% of its damage.

[bleak river]

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[autumn geyser]

who's a good widsitdth user

[bleak river]

Basically atk scaling catalyst dps

Pref with reaction to use that em when it comes up

[humble pecan]

I use it for dps barbara but theres probably a better user for it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[sweet oak]

yanfei

[autumn geyser]

hmmmm

yanfei vao

vap

[modest lily]

For a c2 Zhongli, is it better to sacrifice black tassle over
Favonius lance instead for constant burst to share shields ?

[fleet knot]

Probably

[modest lily]

BT - 46k hp n rng burst
FL - 39k n constant burst

[fleet knot]

Also good thing about c2 is you can skip his e so you don't have to spawn pillars everywhere

Pillars are legit a liability

[modest lily]

I'm using ToM on him currently

[fleet knot]

Rip

[modest lily]

Tap e to reposition his pillars on boss for teammates to get that 35% shield strength

[urban plaza]

My guess with C2 Zhongli in co-op would be that you'd want to run a DPS Zhongli
Otherwise you'd be standing around and occasionally doing your burst- which would hit like 20k something
Dps Zhongli build has seen 50-75k burst damage
And if you are building DPS, you can use Fav Lance, or Maybe even a crit weapon
His Energy Requirement is 40, so that isn't too high

[modest lily]

I find that sometimes his pillar doesn't guarantee particles, so I used fav lance for guarantee 6 particles.

Is his pillar particles a bug or something

[urban plaza]

Yep. His pillars particle generation is kinda weird, and you require the monsters to be in the pillar AOE to get particles, which won't always happen
hence Fav Lance can work rather well
But you would have to build a decent CR for it to get proper crit hits

[modest lily]

I have 50% just right

[urban plaza]

That's valid.

Also, in co-op, you'd get others generating particles too. So if someday you wanna try and rely on them, and maximise your damage with a CD weapon- you can try that

[modest lily]

So I can use homa if there's geo batt in co-op such as albedo right?

[urban plaza]

Yes

I tried a ZL and Ning team (both have 40 cost) and I almost always had burst
Neither was using ER weapon or artefact

But Albedo works rather well

[modest lily]

How about yun jin

[urban plaza]

With homa, you can further increase your damage by going under 50% HP and having shield to protect you after

[modest lily]

Does she generate enough particles?

[urban plaza]

I wouldn't recommend Yun Jin because of her A4 talent
She essentially gives an addition attack with her burst
And it has 4 values- depending on number of elements in the team
So max would be if there are 4 different elements.
In a ZL, Yun Jin team- you won't get the full bonus.
But I guess you can run her if you want to
HOWEVER, Idk how her particle generation is. So I can not comment on that

[fleet knot]

Without homa, zhongli burst basically will not pass 60k

It's a very bad source of damage, many 4* bursts do more

Sara, chongyun, Lisa e

Just to name a few

And they can all be vv boosted aswell

[modest lily]

Oh I don't mind about his burst dmg, only burst shields.

[fleet knot]

Ya

Basically c2 halves zhongli's field time by making it so you don't have to cast e and q

Without c2, the q often isn't worth the time

[modest lily]

I've seen enough, I'm satisfied

Thanks guys

[blissful wagon]

Can I ask team build questions here too, or is this just for character builds specifically?

[fleet knot]

You can ask

[blissful wagon]

Between Yanfei, Yun Jin, Beidou, and Barbara, who should I build next?

I currently have 80/80 for Noelle, Ningguang, Keqing and Ganyu

[sweet oak]

show roster

[fleet knot]

Well I would heavily stray away from leveling too many units before ar55

I made that mistake and my account is still recovering

4 units at 80/80 should be enough, I'd try to keep as many units as possible at 70/70 or below

[blissful wagon]

What's wrong with more high-level characters if I'm getting them to 80/80? Or should I be targeting 90/90 before going for more characters?

[fleet knot]

Nononon

[urban plaza]

I wouldn't recommending leveling all chars to 90
Most characters shall be fine at 80/90
The last 10 levels barely give any bonus but take tonnesss of resources

The issue with levelling too many chars is the amount of resources you'll be using

[blissful wagon]

maybe not so much "show" with PS4, but I have Traveler (60), Yun Jin, Rosaria, Chogyun, Kujo Sara, Beidou, Razor, Xingqiu, Yanfei, Bennett (and the regular ones) to 20/20

[fleet knot]

First major point
ALL levels over 60/70 do almost nothing, they're borderline useless
The biggest (and pretty much only) thing they do is let you increase your talent levels more, which is also not that important

Second major point, the only consistent way to get glad and wt artifacts is by spending resin on bosses

Third point, you are not guaranteed 5* artifacts from boss drops until ar55

So back in 1.2, when I grinded most of my units up to 70/80, what I was really doing was fucking over my current self, as I still do not have a SINGLE usable 4glad set

Nor wt

If I could change 1 thing about my account it would be that

Unit levels are borderline useless and expensive, the opportunity cost of increasing them early on is too high

[gilded dock]

I'm glad I waited till AR55 to get most units to 70/80 for the free pulls, but I got many usable pieces before then

[blissful wagon]

I thought that once you were AR45 you were good to go for artifact grinding?

[gilded dock]

and yeah, prior to AR55, you shouldn't really be investing higher than 60/70 for supports and 70/80 for main dps.

the hyperinvesting comes when you have nothing more to do but spend resin on artifacts to maybe get 0.3% extra CD

[gilded dock]

WT and GF are exceptions since those ONLY drop from bosses

and now strongbox

[fleet knot]

Artifacts, yes
Artifacts are not unit levels

[urban plaza]

You are good to grind domains.
What they mean is the Glad/WT you get from world bosses

[blissful wagon]

Gotcha. So don't grind Glad/WT (better at higher AR), don't waste too many resources on suboptimal artifacts (just wasteful)

What's wrong with the character levels? Does that get way easier at AR55?

[urban plaza]

You can't really grind Glad/Wt

[fleet knot]

You get guaranteed glad/wt artifact drops from bosses at ar55

But not before

[urban plaza]

You only get them through bosses or strong box

[fleet knot]

Ar55 for bosses is like ar45 for artifacts

[urban plaza]

70>80 ascension requires 12 drops
80>90 requires 20

That is a lot of runs, and each cost 40 resin
Multiply that to number of chars you are raising
Hence it may be better to level only chars you use for a while

[blissful wagon]

Don't you mean 20 resin? You're talking about the domain character ascension items, right?

[urban plaza]

to be frank, I did get Ning to 90 at 50
because I had no idea it was useless, and also that it helped get rid of the HIGHLY DANGEROUS
But after that I just let everyone stay at 80

[urban plaza]

The 12 and 20 are boss drops
And bosses cost 40

[blissful wagon]

Ah, gotcha. I understand now

[urban plaza]

Even rn at 55
I only have ning and Xiao at 90
Planning to get Raiden (when I get her) to 80/90
and Eventually Yanfei the last ascension

Purely for the bonus

However, back to your original question, if you do not have any built healer, I'd recommend one
Even more so with the new bosses

[blissful wagon]

That said, it's still tempting to work on a new character or two, especially with everyone else at 80/80 already...
Also, the synergy of Ganyu/Keqing/Ningguang/Noelle leaves a bit to be desired, no?

[urban plaza]

Oh wait Noelle heals
Sorry

[blissful wagon]

You can't underestimate the power of the sub dps/healer C4 Noelle 😄

[urban plaza]

Yee I forgot XD
I haven't used noelle ever😅

[blissful wagon]

That said, Noelle's DPS is next to nothing, and Spiral Abyss needs two different teams...

[urban plaza]

You can wait for abyss ngl
I got my Xiao at AR 55, and before Xiao I had like barely 3-4 chars built
and I could barely get past 10-1

Even now I can not with floor 12

That said, in the end it is your account and you can do whatever you like

[blissful wagon]

no no, I do appreciate the inputs. I'm actually really bad at these types of games, so it's very useful to see where I'm getting it wrong

I enjoy it, but I'm bad at it

[urban plaza]

If you are guaranteed, you can prefarm
That takes a loooong time
Or you can just farm artefact domains for characters and then level them up later

XD I just meant that don't feel pressured to NOT DO SOMETHING just because we said so

The goal of the game is for you to enjoy it

[urban plaza]

If you plan on getting/building Anemo chars, you can do the VV domain
Jean, Suc, Kazu, Venti, Xiao all use it
Idk about Sayu

The Momiji Dyed Court with Shimenawa and EoSF is a good domain too (Set wise)
(Monster wise I hate that domain)

[blissful wagon]

That said, it's always a bit embarrassing to fail DPS checks with four main DPS characters

[urban plaza]

Shimenawa is a Glad substitute at 2PC
And most of Burst DPS-es will use EoSF
Raiden, XL, XQ, maybe chongyun and burst kaeya

[blissful wagon]

takes notes

[rustic lily]

what is EoSF? genuine question

[modern raven]

Emblem of severed fate

Its with the shima set in mdc

[rustic lily]

ahh haha got it

[urban plaza]

Emblem of Severed Fate
Increases ER at 2PC
Increases burst damage by 25% ER (max 75%bonus) at 4PC

Hence for burst supports, It'll get them their burst back faster, and it'll also hit harder

[rustic lily]

is the emblem great with xingqiu? i currenlt have him at nobless 2pc hydro 2pc

[blissful wagon]

Is there a good way to upload character builds from PS4 for review here?

[urban plaza]

I think his best (acco to Paimon Moe) is EoSF
But that is running him as Burst support/ enabler if I am not wrong

[modern raven]

If you have screenshots you can use a site to slap it all together

[urban plaza]

More ER=Faster Burst= Faster rain swords

[modern raven]

Like this

[rustic lily]

thanks im gonna try it

[urban plaza]

Good Luck!

[blissful wagon]

What's the link to that website?

[rustic lily]

it means i dont need to farm for the emblem? that is.. if my 2pc 2pc set is good to use?

[urban plaza]

I guess so
I do not have absolute knowledge either
I sometimes go by
"I won't fix it if it doesn't need fixing"

If you have other chars you wanna build, go for those first, I guess- since he is already Built

[rustic lily]

ahaha alright thanks again, i plan to build beidou next so im prefarming her stuffs

[modern raven]

Let me find it

[urban plaza]

shinshin.moe

[urban plaza]

Good Luck!

[modern raven]

YEAH

LMFAO

@blissful wagon https://shinshin.moe

[rustic lily]

lmao just watched the vid haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvqZs4l4s7Y nice

[urban plaza]

(Also, if you plan on getting Raiden and using Beidou with her- it won't work)

[rustic lily]

yupp i plan to use beidou with diona fischl and zhongli.. as for raiden maybe xiangling xingqiu bennett

so many chars i wanna build but so little resin

[blissful wagon]

Thanks!

What do the paimon experts make of my Ganyu? Based off of the keqingmains build guide:

[junior crest]

you need crit rate

[fleet knot]

that crit rate is too low even for a freeze team

and youre using wt

that is unusably low

[blissful wagon]

Freeze?! This is for a...crystalize/superconduct team?

[fleet knot]

i mean its probably find for overworld, for the time being
if youre ar45 you should probably be locked into domain farming for a while

blizz or sf/shim domains being the 2 best choices

[hushed wasp]

is yunjin good for an itto main dps team? good enough to worth building?

[blissful wagon]

What's wrong with those WT items? They're 5 stars and those slots have the mainstats locked

or do I need to get WTs with CR substats?

[fleet knot]

no, itto is based on ushi and charged attacks to do damage, yunjin only affects normal attacks

[hushed wasp]

ah tyty

[fleet knot]

yes, thats why waiting until later is so important
theyre extremely difficult to get until ar55, and even then its not easy

for ganyu, you usually want at least 60% crit rate and 160-180% crit damage for wt to be good

otherwise, just run blizz
25-200 would be pretty good for blizz

[blissful wagon]

clearly I'm wrong, but isn't CR unimportant for archers since weakspot hits are automatically crits?

[fleet knot]

ganyu's bloom cant hit weakpoints

[blissful wagon]

gotcha

but mainly rework the artifacts to bring up CR, especially with WT artifacts? (keeping in mind that AR55 makes getting WT artifacts so much easier)

[fleet knot]

i wouldnt really worry about running 4wt on ganyu for a while

you more or less cant grind it, so the chance that you have a good set is very low

you can grind shimenawa from that inazuma domain though

thats pretty good for ganyu

and blizzard strayer aswell

[blissful wagon]

My plan was 2WT/2SR, and I thought I had a good set...

[urban plaza]

XD mood

[fleet knot]

artifact grind never stops 💪

[bleak river]

Never ever stops

[blissful wagon]

Do you mind if I ask you to weigh in on my other characters then?

[grand kestrel]

25 lbs

[blissful wagon]

It should provide some late-night monday humor for the crowds gathered today lol

[rustic lily]

small question, im building ayaka but don't have good weapons for her. i have her use the black sword up to lvl 80. is it worth leveling it up to level90? or better to wait for a weapon from the banner

[sweet oak]

wt doesn't have crate bonus, so if you're going melt that too low

[fleet knot]

if you use ayaka on a freeze team, youre going to look to swap off of blacksword relatively quickly

blackcliff is pretty much just better

[bleak river]

^

Cdmg stat stick and (tentative) atk passive

[fleet knot]

and if youre using ayaka not on a freeze team
uh, i dont really think she has any other niches

[rustic lily]

sadly right now its royal series on the shop

[river ore]

@rustic lily has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[bleak river]

Wait a month XD

[rustic lily]

im using her on a freeze teamm

[bleak river]

As expected

[rustic lily]

alright, i wont level it up to 90 for now.. her crit rate is low that's why im thinking if it's worth it.. while i also grind for artifs

[blissful wagon]

Alright, here's my next masterpiece. She's supposed to be an electro build, but the DPS seems low from what I've been able to compare it to.

hmm, in thinking about it, low damage is probably due to Circlet/Goblet +0 stats, but my goal was to only invest in 5* artifacts...

[rustic lily]

whats ur electro dg bonus?

[blissful wagon]

0%

[rustic lily]

do u have lion's roar for ur keqing?

[wise oak]

so def change that sword

[rustic lily]

alright time to find electro dmg goblet

then Crit dmg circlet

atk sands can stay as is, but can farm more better substats

[wise oak]

the feather is fine

[blissful wagon]

The plan is to pick up the Amenoma Kageuchi one day

[wise oak]

is that the craftable?

ohh inazuma

yea yea thatd be sm better than what youre currently using

[blissful wagon]

The prototype currently equipped is the craftable one

[rustic lily]

but if u got a hold of lion's roar soon, i suggest you use that for dps build

[wise oak]

rancour is ok but the passive is trash

[rustic lily]

amenoma can be for now

[wise oak]

but ifits all you have for now i think its ok!

oh oh

i play america too

i can help you with farming artifacts if you want rn

[blissful wagon]

I'd accept the help, but I just spent my resin earlier grinding for Petra artifacts for Ningguang

[wise oak]

ohhh

ningguangs kinda op

if you build her right

[blissful wagon]

Oh really? Wait until you get a taste of this!

[wise oak]

yup my friends a ningguang main and his dmg is really god

good*

[wise oak]

so uhm

crit rate crit rate

in the future try getting a crit rate circlet

ur gob is nice but you will eventually have to get a better one since you cant be always using 3 stars !

the weapon is a really good choice on her

[blissful wagon]

Yeah, the artifacts were setup back at...AR17 probably and haven't been revisited. Hoping for 2p AP, then not sure what else. Maybe 4p AP for quickswaps to other damage dealers? Or just individual ones with good stats/substats

[wise oak]

the artifacts you have on her rn are actually decent with their substats but try and see if are able to manage some better artifacts which i can assure wil def happen

[wise oak]

later in game the geo dmg bonus arifact im not sure which one it is

lemme check

[blissful wagon]

Archaic Petra from the Guyun domain, if I understand it right

[wise oak]

so 4 pc AP or 2AP and 2 pc shimenewa

would be a decent build

[wise oak]

yup yup

[rustic lily]

i main ningguang!! : just wanna share haha

[wise oak]

ooo ningguang mains are so cool

ur dmg is so good 😭

[rustic lily]

im on 4pc archaich ninggue

[blissful wagon]

ningguang was the second character I pulled, so I'm very partial to her and Noelle ❤️

[wise oak]

im not sure how to build ningguang tho i never really thought of maining ningguang

diona was my second character i ever pulled 💀

and shes still lvl 70

someone help her

[blissful wagon]

Is there a recommended split between CR and CD?

[wise oak]

yup

actually theres a preferred 1:2 ratio

of crit rate to crit dmg

but usually anything 50-60 crit rate is good

[blissful wagon]

takes notes

[rustic lily]

if u can go 70/150 for ninggu, and highlight her skill levels, just her E can go 30-40k

[wise oak]

and having anything 100+

[rustic lily]

• good built artifs

[wise oak]

they're low ar so that might take a while 😓

[rustic lily]

ohhh sorry i missed that part :'<

[blissful wagon]

what?! 5-digit damage numbers??? That's strictly a youtube showcase thing, not anything I've seen before hahahaha

[wise oak]

iv seen ningguang hit like

huge dmg

[rustic lily]

if u get higher on AR, you can farm better artifs and u'll also get to that point! 🙂

[wise oak]

the highest iv ever hit was 420k

hHEHehHWHAHAHA

[blissful wagon]

I'm AR48 at the moment, so not too low...but definitely not AR55 yet

[wise oak]

funny number.

[rustic lily]

ninggu 420k?? skill or burst?

[wise oak]

NO NOT NINGGUANG

HELP

SHES STILL LVL 20

[rustic lily]

HAHAHAHA my bad

[wise oak]

i used childe

im not even sure of my dmg ranking

its been like

[rustic lily]

guess i gotta build childe :'< wanna reached those numbers too

[wise oak]

childe>hutao>kaeya>zhongli>xiao

but overall xiao is doingmore dmg

[wise oak]

heh im sure you can reach bigger ones my mona isnt lvled at all 😅

oh oh if u wanna try his dmg rn

i used 2pc wanders and 2pc noblesse for melt and i used r1 stringless

bennett, sucrose, mona and childe team comp on floor 7 >:D

stringless is def a big help with its passive and everything

[rustic lily]

oohh stringless! rthat's his weapon rn on my end too

[wise oak]

i usually do rust or stringless

[rustic lily]

got it! i heard abyss floor 7 is a nice place to test dmg on chars

[wise oak]

OH GOD HIS CRIT RATIO IS ASS THO

[blissful wagon]

Would you ever want to built a critless character? As in don't bother with CR or CD and optimize non-crit artifacts/stats?

[wise oak]

its like 40:190

[wise oak]

character get their dmg from crit dmg

[rustic lily]

atleast u got the dmg to 190 🤧

[wise oak]

the more crit dmg there is the more dmg its going to crit as well as the more crit rate there is the more chances you are going to crit that crit dmg

[rustic lily]

well we have kokomi

[modern raven]

Kokomk

[wise oak]

oh her.

[modern raven]

Kokonut sucks ass.

[wise oak]

LMFAO

[blissful wagon]

Well then I now understand why my 'main DPS' noelle does no damage

[rustic lily]

i think that's why MHY gave an artif set just for her since she can't crit.. so the pearl artif will help do the damage

[modern raven]

What’d you do?

[wise oak]

she scales off of def

@elder light

BRO

HOW DO I

[wise oak]

MAKE MY KAEYA BETTER

STOP CALLING HIS ASSSDFLKSDG

[modern raven]

Why arent you asking

Me

[wise oak]

OH WATI

[rustic lily]

yep, the crime of low crit rate

[wise oak]

WHY IS THERE ONEE AND ONII

WTF

GASPS

WHY ARENY YOU GUYS MY SIBLINGS

iv been betrayed.

[modern raven]

That’s not bad!

You’ve got a good idea

Swap the goblet for something with geo damage, and find a crit damage circlet

[river ore]

@modern raven has leveled up to LEVEL 17

[blissful wagon]

hmm, I see.

[wise oak]

@modern raven its cuz im using harbinger isnt it...

[modern raven]

Look for crit rate/crit dmg substats

[modern raven]

Yes. Im begging you to find something else

[blissful wagon]

That said, as Noelle slides into support/healer, I would suppose cr/cd/atk isn't that important, just DEF scales for the shield and heal procs?

[wise oak]

I CANT

I NEED MISTPLSITTER

[rustic lily]

c4 noelle, ayyyeee great for dps

[modern raven]

I mean she’s totally viable as a dps. It would be crit/geo dmg/def

Some characters need different sands depending on what they scale from

Like hu tao needing hp

Or you could be like me and not do that. My albedo has an atk sands 😋

[modern raven]

Rancour is free………………

[wise oak]

bro wait

should i just

[blissful wagon]

Glad to hear I haven't gone too far astray!

[wise oak]

2pv noblesse 2pc ap my zhongli

fuck the shield

[blissful wagon]

The real temptation is to spend my masterless starglitter on C5 Noelle...

[modern raven]

The petra domain can kiss my ass I got what I needed and bailed ☹️

[wise oak]

slfkjasdg

fuck

ok

yea uh

[modern raven]

Save it for a starter character

[wise oak]

like kaeya

[modern raven]

Those cons are harder to get than 5 stars

Kaeya 😍

[blissful wagon]

Kaeya 💔
Amber > Lisa > Kaeya

[river ore]

@blissful wagon has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[modern raven]

You’ll get noelle cons soon. She hasnt been on a banner in a hot minute. She’ll probably come back

L take, Kaeya > anyone

Albedo > Kaeya

Albedo x Kaeya

😌

[blissful wagon]

she was literally on the Eula banner last patch...

[modern raven]

I didn’t wish on Eula’s

[blissful wagon]

I skipped Eula for Ganyu since I figured I didn't need two claymore users...

[modern raven]

Eula and Noelle have two very different playstyles and roles

You cant build a support Eula

[rustic lily]

i only realized i wanted eula after her banner is already gone

[modern raven]

You’re not missing anything. Eula is just walmart Razor

[wise oak]

uhm what.

😤

[blissful wagon]

what kind of waifu tier list do you have where Razor even gets to participate?

[wise oak]

xjajxjkdc

[modern raven]

Oh you must be new here

[wise oak]

no wonder they rank kaeya last 🥰

[modern raven]

I havent pulled for a woman since Raiden’s first banner

[wise oak]

seems we should educate them 🥰

[modern raven]

Razor > Eula

[rustic lily]

i suppose this is ur preference? or am i missing something

[wise oak]

prefrence

[modern raven]

No

[wise oak]

kaeya on the otherjand

[modern raven]

Facts

[wise oak]

is not preference

[modern raven]

Razor can proc his own super conduct

[wise oak]

hes one of the best starter charatcer

[modern raven]

Eula needs help

[oblique pelican]

How bout physical Bennett

[wise oak]

shore

[modern raven]

C6 would like to speak to you

ACTUALLY

Sifu I’ll brb. Throwing my Razor build on bennett and seeing how he does

[oblique pelican]

[blissful wagon]

man, I drop 4 awful builds in here and the reactions pale in comparison to a slight against razor/kaeya

[wise oak]

someone help me

im rushing my stupid art hw

[wise oak]

oh

my kaeya hit 100k.

bad team tho 😔

my supports r shit

[blissful wagon]

don't worry, I don't have any supports either. Best support for a main DPS is 3 more main DPSes, I always say

you can trust me, I have the best teams in genshin

[wise oak]

same bro

[rustic lily]

Benneettt!!! is c6 worth it, his last conste is pending on my end

[wise oak]

🙁

[bleak river]

Unless you know what you're doing, don't c6 him

[blissful wagon]

people keep telling me to build Bennett, esp. since I have him at C2, but that boy is suffering a life sentence in the Mondstat mines with no chance of escape

main dps 4 life

[oblique pelican]

C6 only affect physical teams iirc

[urban plaza]

Took me a minute to understand, but😂😂😂😂

[rustic lily]

so if i c6 him, any weapons infused with cryo/electro etc. will be replaced by pyro?

[modern raven]

Do not c6 your benntt.

Benny does not need his c6

[wise oak]

i legit have trypophobia and my dumbass be drawing eyes 🤩🤩

[modern raven]

All of your physical damage will be overidden

[wise oak]

yes art class slay 🤩🤩

[modern raven]

And he loses his versatility

[urban plaza]

Usually the character's personal infusion won't be affected
Since they can not be overridden
But physical mains like razor, Eula will suffer

[wise oak]

fuck it 🤩🤩

gonna get full marks on my 4 monut ework

[modern raven]

@oblique pelican

[blissful wagon]

that framerate is buttery smooth.

[round narwhal]

LMAO

[modern raven]

Its 60fps

[wise oak]

GRAPHICS 💀

[round narwhal]

no cuz i was thjinking he same

[wise oak]

🤩🤩

[modern raven]

KAE.

YOU’RE AN IPAD KID

[urban plaza]

lmaoo

[wise oak]

🙁🤞

[round narwhal]

LOL

[wise oak]

leave my ipad out of this 😤

[blissful wagon]

ps4 gang rise up

[oblique pelican]

4k crits yay

[rustic lily]

u have ps4, im so broke i only have pc

[modern raven]

Tbh I kinda cheated a little cuz bennett took some of Gorou’s build too

[blissful wagon]

who can afford a PC with the prices of GPUs these days

[modern raven]

Mainly the 28% CD sands

[rustic lily]

got mine a month before the pandemic so it was a low price that time for my poor soul

[oblique pelican]

Meanwhile, me with my Samsung Fridge; which has inbuilt cooler!

[blissful wagon]

Thanks to everyone for all of the help - I learned a lot with a lot more to learn still, but I appreciate your feedback on everything

see ya'll next time

[rustic lily]

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ad astra

[urban plaza]

Add extra apple-sauce

[silent tulip]

Okay-ish Freeze ganyu stats?

[fleet knot]

i wish mine were that good

[silent tulip]

Thundering pulse really makes it look better than it is huh

[timid sphinx]

Thundering Pulse?

[silent tulip]

Yup

[timid sphinx]

with 4-set Blizzard?

[silent tulip]

Yes.

[timid sphinx]

nice

[silent tulip]

Here is 4pc Shim

[timid sphinx]

dang, that's nuts

[silent tulip]

well

I farmed a 4pc blizzard for Chongyun, realizing his dps BIS is Gladiator

And then i got shim as i was doing the Eosf domain

[rigid crater]

What's the highest crit rate possible in the game?

[fleet knot]

100%

the highest number you can get with c6 hutao on deathmatch is 266.1% crit rate

but this still only crits 100% of the time

so its pointless

[rigid crater]

How accurate is the 100% crit rate? Does it crit on every hit?

[fleet knot]

yes

[rigid crater]

Getting crit rate is hard on artifacts

[fleet knot]

more than 72-80% crit rate is basically overkill

[rigid crater]

Started farming artifacts for Raiden, getting a lot of crit dmg

What's the drop rate for the complete gems(not the shards) at AR 55?

[fleet knot]

low

[rigid crater]

What's it like at AR 60?

[fleet knot]

boring

[gilded dock]

At some point, you will have more shards than you'll ever need, even if you 1 => 80+ every upcoming character each patch. It's not that big of a deal. Worst-case you use some azoth dust

[urban plaza]

Tbh the only time I've ever needed Azoth was when I was farming for Xiao> because his boss doesn't drop Vayuda

[gilded dock]

I bought 350 in anticipation in 1.3 because i thought i will need it a ton. The event gave like 270

I still have 314 or so, and most of the other 306 were used before inazuma

[urban plaza]

oml
I literally only used it for xiao because I was annoyed and tired of fighting the anemo cube

I have like 3 XD

[gilded dock]

Back then i tried to level all units to 70+ in 1.4 or 1.5 when they introduced thr free pulls

[urban plaza]

Makes sense hahaha

How did you get so many wits though ksajlkdjsflkd

[gilded dock]

I did over 540 leylines so far.

[urban plaza]

Oohh

[gilded dock]

And only have 38 units

My next grab is kokomi

[urban plaza]

Beautiful

[oblique pelican]

With that crit rate, she'll crit twice per hit!

[fleet knot]

red crits when

[rain sluice]

2pc nobless and 3 pc hod for tartaglia goods?

[fleet knot]

eh, not really

2glad/shim 2HoD >

[rigid crater]

I'm praying that ayato is hydro dps

[glass finch]

praying that he’s not a sword user

[fleet knot]

between the two of you, youre 50% right

[round narwhal]

LMAO

[pseudo olive]

Guys Best build for Keqing Any tips 😊

[fleet knot]

electro keqing with kazuha and c6 sara

if you dont have either, than i believe electro keqing and physical keqing come out to be pretty similar, but electro keqing will slot better into other teams while physical keqing HAS to be a main dps, and a rather annoying one to use at that

and, as mentioned above, electro keqing has more potential to get better with supports that you'll get later

while physical keqing is stagnant

[urban ermine]

Quick question. For a burst dps Diluc, is Blackcliff or Sea lord better ? I'd say Sea lord but I'm struggling with balancing my crit rate and crit dmg so I don't know if loosing atk will help me if my crit dmg is high ?

[oblique pelican]

What you're struggling with are artifacts my friend!

[urban ermine]

I know that

I'm just asking which one is better knowing I currently struggle with the artifacts

My current build brings me to 60/162 crit ratio but he still does shitty damages cause wrong set so I'm farming crimson witch

But I have no luck in getting crit dmg anywhere on the artifacts

[oblique pelican]

You can give up on diluc and all your suffering will be over.

[urban ermine]

Woah that's so helpful

As if I could afford giving up on the only 5* I have beside useless Keqing and shielder Zhongli

[fleet knot]

i mean, if youre just looking for max damage irregardless of who you like using

xiangling is just gonna be better

as for diluc, he isnt a burst dps
blackcliff will be better for total damage

[urban ermine]

I do care about who I use

That's why I'm focusing on improving Diluc cause 19k~40k dmg on ult isn't satisfying at all

[fleet knot]

as a 5* weapon gamer

40k is pretty much as high as diluc goes

especially because diluc is better if you burst before his e's

[urban ermine]

So why have I seen 200K Diluc ?

[fleet knot]

because theyre running impractical setups (without xingqiu) and theyre going for melt

with 25% crit rate builds

and they run it 5 times until they get that glorious crit

[urban ermine]

Well I'm going for melt as well cause I use him with Kaeya

[fleet knot]

doesnt work

[urban ermine]

So that's not the issue

[urban ermine]

?

[fleet knot]

kaeya will be the one reverse melting

[urban ermine]

Melt works perfectly

[fleet knot]

all the time

especially because he has icd

[urban ermine]

Icd?

[fleet knot]

internal cooldown

kaeya only applies cryo once every 3 hits

diluc applies pyro with every e

[urban ermine]

And so ?

[fleet knot]

kaeya will pretty much always be the one melting, aka not diluc

after the first 5 seconds

it will not get your desired result

[urban ermine]

Pyro + Cryo after on Kaeya's E does 17K which, there, is satisfying cause it's his E (and he's not even that built)

[fleet knot]

do you use xingqiu with diluc

[urban ermine]

No

Cause that's not where I want to use Xinqiu

[fleet knot]

unless youre using hutao or xiangling on the other team, xingqiu will make the biggest difference when paired with diluc

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"Other team" you're assuming I'm talking about the abyss

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im not sure what you mean then

if there isnt another team, then why not use xingqiu with diluc?

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I just want to do some decent damages 🤷

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Cause he's gonna be in perma freeze team

I like testing teams in ow

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if youre not running abyss, he can be in both

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That's not the point

I'm going for a melt team not a vape one

Like, I'm sure melt Diluc exists and that's what I'm looking for

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only way a melt team like that is going to work is if kaeya (or better, rosaria) is the one doing the melting
if you want diluc to be doing any kind of melting, you need (ironically perhaps) xingqiu

for a freeze melt team

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I have Rosaria but same, she's gonna be paired with Xinqiu and Kaeya in a freeze team

And from what I've tested with Barbara + Kaeya then Diluc, freeze then melt doesn't really do much more damages so idk

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