🔨・build-discussion

[fleet knot]

its recommended to not even use it outside of edge cases without homa

[signal karma]

if you are low on resources dont build him sub dps, just slap hp with tenacity and you're done ! But at end game its always a good practise to invest in zhongli because he is so invaluable to the team

[fleet knot]

end game zhongli usually gets dropped

you'll have so many other options which can do so much more

he is a generalized unit, decent on most teams but best on very few

[signal karma]

I would argue you would still use him a lot cause your dodging skills are gonna be non existent if you used zhongli lmao

[left rover]

I will really just recommend Favonius Polearm, for the Energy Recharge since you want a support dps

[fleet knot]

i remember pulling zhongli and using him constantly until i got fr10
and then, when i dropped him in favor of double anemo

my damage got noticeably better

like night and day

i didnt even have to dodge because things just died

[left rover]

But having a shielder is better than dying over and over again

[fleet knot]

the best defense is a good offense in genshin, a game of time gated content

[signal karma]

try azdaha without a shield

[left rover]

But you won't really need a shielder if you have a good healer

[signal karma]

cant argue with that

[fleet knot]

i havent used a shield for azh in about 7 months or so if im not mistaken

[left rover]

That's quite easy to achieve

[fleet knot]

and i do him every week

the key: ganyu
its always ganyu

every boss is a ganyu buff

[signal karma]

but its annoying and frankly takes more time

having a shield is faster anyway

[fleet knot]

takes less time, youre already at a range anyways

[signal karma]

for bosses

[left rover]

Not for me i guess

[fleet knot]

every enemy they release is a ganyu buff

specters? ganyu
golden wolf lord? ganyu
hydro mimics in abyss? ganyu

its all ganyu

[signal karma]

hahhahaa having ganyu is just ez mode every day

[left rover]

Hmm, just wait till mihoyo add more cryo resistance mobs

[signal karma]

sneznaya be like -

[fleet knot]

c1 + vv keeps me healthy on cryo shred

[left rover]

I'm glad I'm not a one element team, because those resistance are quite annoying to handle sometimes

[signal karma]

exactly

[left rover]

And the team i built only relies on the skill and burst dmg

Though i have Eula, she's on my alt

[signal karma]

If genshin made me lock a team with fixed characters i would just go Eula -raiden

elements dont even matter anymore

[left rover]

But characters that can deal decent damage without relying on skills like Xiao or Hu Tao seems nice

[left rover]

Then they added physical resistance mobs

Like the one on the bounties

[fleet knot]

yeah eula raiden is probably the best whale comp in the game

[fleet knot]

raiden is insanely powerful with c2

like unfair

[sweet oak]

eow

new channel

[left rover]

Sadly i don't have her at c2

[signal karma]

HELP

[fleet knot]

a c2 raiden is basically the strongest of all the units c5 and below

maybe you could argue for c4 ayaka

but it'd be hard

[signal karma]

I got c1, which just makes things weirder

[fleet knot]

get c2

next patch

its cracked

[left rover]

I got c0

At least i got her

[sweet oak]

i got none

[left rover]

Damn-

[sweet oak]

[signal karma]

I would go for Yae first, although im not sure if ill have enough for Raiden next then 💀

Which just makes it sadder

[sweet oak]

prolly skipping her again for kazu

[left rover]

Hmm, if Kaxuha got a rerun on Yaecs banner

Then i will skip Yae

I'm much more of an Anemo Husbandos collector

Not an Electro character collector

I have all of the electro characters too

[sweet oak]

except for yae if you skip her

[left rover]

Yep

Unless I get her unexpectedly

But she really seems so fun to use though

[celest heron]

Is there any news how’s her play like?

[fleet knot]

yes

not official

[left rover]

Who knows, i don't really watch that much leaks

[fleet knot]

but the leaks are as close to 100% as anything could be without being official

[sudden crater]

i got ganyu off pity and have nothing for her😭 should i build her melt or freeze?

[hallow vessel]

guys what char, team should i build with this

[sudden crater]

who do you like playing the most?

[fleet knot]

freeze is easier to build because wt is like, impossible to grind

[hallow vessel]

xingqiu and qiqi

[fleet knot]

also freeze can do more damage because it actually uses ganyu's burst while melt does not

[fleet knot]

xiangling bennett xingqiu chongyun is a classic national comp

the original

its very good

beidou is also super powerful

sucrose

[sudden crater]

ohhhh i see ty ty

xiangling bennett beidou and xingqiu could work 🤍

[hallow vessel]

ok

[fleet knot]

sucrose beidou fischl (or yae if you get her) is super super good

[unreal kettle]

btw, you can level up your char to Lv20 and get a :AcquaintFate: (

[coarse hedge]

Talent level 5. Should i crown her

[glass finch]

why not

[sweet oak]

her burst prolly

but for her skill and basic up to you if you really want to

[coarse hedge]

Burst already crowned

[sweet oak]

[sonic vector]

[signal bronze]

,_,

[modern raven]

Flexing this again

And showing off the no crit no problem build

[round narwhal]

oh shit

[mental pasture]

oh gosh

I have to leave my comfort zone to take part in a giveaway….

[gilded dock]

or just don't?

[round narwhal]

shsojdbd

😭

[ebon ginkgo]

yo if i built Sucrose as Xiao battery triple em and VV dont mean anything for her right so like what do i do

[gilded dock]

The Exile and Prototype Amber

[ebon ginkgo]

hp% sucrose i gotchu

[gilded dock]

nah, for the energy recharge on her and healing the entire team

[ebon ginkgo]

yeah ik

[river ore]

@ebon ginkgo has leveled up to LEVEL 14

[gilded dock]

or still sac frags for 3 Es

[ebon ginkgo]

so would i just wanna get as much er as possible from artis then?

[gilded dock]

you basically use her as an ultra-battery with The Exile

[pastel cape]

Oooh never thought of this

[ebon ginkgo]

where do you even farm exile

[pastel cape]

I get my pieces by chance 😂

They drop from monsters sometimes too

And world bosses

[ebon ginkgo]

yeah so i looked it up

all weekly bosses, most regular bosses, and a whole bunch of elite enemies

time to kill every elite on the map

[pastel cape]

Fatui farming time

Had to lock every 4 star exile piece I got once I got Gorou

[ebon ginkgo]

i probably threw away so many good exile pieces throughout my time playing this game bro

[cinder mural]

but for Sucrose u go for 4x VV with 2x EM, or leave out 1 VV (miss the 4p bonus) with full EM?

[ebon ginkgo]

thats for other elemental builds

[pastel cape]

Fr

[ebon ginkgo]

so like if youre using her as a support for like a pyro dps then yeah thats the correct build

but im using her as a battery for another anemo unit, in which case elemental mastery and VV take no effect

[pastel cape]

What team comp do you usually go for

[cinder mural]

f.e. I pair Sucrose with Diluc, Do I go 4x VV or full EM?

[ebon ginkgo]

for Xiao ive been running Zhongli Xiao Sucrose Bennett

[pastel cape]

I see, would make sense then, unless you want her pyro swirls to be stronk 😂

[pastel cape]

4 VV with EM, EM, EM and get as much EM on substats

[ebon ginkgo]

so i have this already

[pastel cape]

Well 😂 you gotta roll with what you have eh

[ebon ginkgo]

man why cant they just make 5 star versions of some of these sets they would be really good

like berserker or instructor would be amazing 5 star sets

[pastel cape]

Ikr it's painful to put a 4 star artifact set on someone

[grand kestrel]

hell just give us some way to breakout 4 star artifacts to 5 star, that way they don't even have to make the 5 star version of them

[pastel cape]

ask Mihoyo to let us ascend artifacts

Paimon has a new survey now 😂 put your requests in

[oblique pelican]

+30 artifact? Hell no.

[ebon ginkgo]

god imagine trying to roll for eight crit rolls on one arti

[oblique pelican]

And the amount of artifact xp it'd take

[pastel cape]

😂😂 some unicorn rarity artifacts gonna come from there

[grand kestrel]

let's not get crazy now, we just want to rank up 4 stars to 5 stars, not 5 stars to 6 stars...

[brazen imp]

How much energy recharge should I run on Xiao

if I'm planning on running him solo anemo

[modern raven]

500%

/j but if you don’t have a battery I suggest about 150%

[brazen imp]

Ah I see

This piece would be useful then

[pastel cape]

But that low CD

[brazen imp]

Ikr

[pastel cape]

But yeah 😂 if you're really not running him with a Battery or someone who uses a favonius weapon

[pastel cape]

It had so much potential

[brazen imp]

Maybe I can give it to Jean or smth

I was thinking of running 4pc vv xiao

And then running him as a sub dps

To patch up rotation

[pastel cape]

Patch up rotation?

[brazen imp]

I was planning on running hu tao xinqiu

And then bennet xiao

[pastel cape]

Hmm why not sucrose

[brazen imp]

Yep sucrose just seems to be better than xiao

For hu tao at least

But then for another rotation

I had to move bennet to the other team

And so I had hutao xingqiu

[silent tulip]

well, the thing with Xiao is that he's more of a dps than... well a vv support

[brazen imp]

And I was thinking of what other two members I should have

[modern raven]

Hi trollar

[silent tulip]

hi Shaun

[brazen imp]

My artifacts on 4 piece vv is on par with my 2 piece glad 2 piece vv set

And so I will lose a little damage, but the vv set might be beneficial

[silent tulip]

Well, not really sadly

You see, xiao is one of the chars that can do well even with low invested supports

but he as a support doesn't really.. work

[brazen imp]

(But he's not too good for this abyss)

[river ore]

@brazen imp has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[silent tulip]

wait what

[fleet knot]

xiao has been struggling

his single target is highly gimped unless you run jet combos

[silent tulip]

Ah

[fleet knot]

(n1cjp)

[brazen imp]

Yep it's the charged attack low plunge right

[silent tulip]

aight ig xiao's bad for this abyss

[brazen imp]

Yeah and I wanted to use him still

[silent tulip]

So yeah uuh

[brazen imp]

So I was considering subdps xiao

[silent tulip]

I don't think his 2-3 E's do enough for him to be a proper subdps

[modern raven]

Hi trollae

[brazen imp]

No I meant during hutao's downtime (7s) I would pop xiao ult in the meantime

[silent tulip]

Hi Syaun

[silent tulip]

Supports.

[brazen imp]

Hu tao supports?

[pastel cape]

I still use Xiao for abyss 😂 it's painful though

[silent tulip]

well you're most likely not using hu tao alone

[fleet knot]

this usually doesnt work

2 main dps units take too long to do their things

[silent tulip]

during her downtime you just go to the other characters in your team(usually there're 3 of them)

and do their E's, Q's and such

[fleet knot]

and they usually need too many supports for a 4 unit party to cut it

like, 7 seconds is really not that long, you'd be hard pressed to to keep all your support skills in that time frame

[brazen imp]

Hmm I see

I usually run hutao sucrose comp for the big bosses on floor 1 and 2

[pastel cape]

Yeah this ^

[brazen imp]

But when I need to swap so I can kill magu kenki

My other team needs bennet

And so i can't run sucrose with hutao as there is no good pyro applicator

[modern raven]

Hi cursed note

[silent tulip]

So... thoma exists btw

Tankfei can work

Xinyan.... uuh... ok maybe not

[brazen imp]

Hello Shaun 👋

Thoma

Is

Uhhh

Yeah I was considering tankfei over thoma

[silent tulip]

tankfei's legit a good build tho

[brazen imp]

Hutao instantly just blew up

The Pyro abyss mage with the passive corrosion thing

Plus I needed a way to break the Pyro shields as well

[silent tulip]

Xingqiu

[brazen imp]

Yep

[silent tulip]

Bahbara

[pastel cape]

For enjou I literally brought Barbara and Mona 💀

[silent tulip]

Mona

[brazen imp]

Sad I don't have mona

Barbara though

[silent tulip]

Kokonut

[brazen imp]

💪

[silent tulip]

Sheznaya's greatest love machine

[brazen imp]

But then they fall off for the Hydro abyss duders

[grand kestrel]

honestly Kokomi is probably my favorite hydro character.

[brazen imp]

And so I was thinking

Ah yes

[grand kestrel]

not that there's a huge selection.

[brazen imp]

Anemo

[silent tulip]

Oh wait

[brazen imp]

Will break both Pyro and Hydro shields

[silent tulip]

There're hydro ones on 12-2?

Uh

[brazen imp]

Second chamber second half

[silent tulip]

Well that makes the choice far easier

Hu Tao, Xingqiu, Diona, Chongyun

[pastel cape]

LMAO took me a second

[brazen imp]

I needed my diona to battery my ayaka comp for the first half

But tbf

I could have changyun substitute

Or kaeya

[silent tulip]

Shield tho

[brazen imp]

I have bennet on my first comp

It'll probably be fiine

[silent tulip]

Ok so

get Sac Greatsword on chongyun if possible

If not, something that increases burst damage

like... fish claymore or the .... burst claymore thing

[brazen imp]

Something something chongyun can triple melt bennet burst right

Hmm, that damage seems tasty

[silent tulip]

kinda

more like when the hydro abyss mage gets his shield up, press E and show him how fucked he is

[brazen imp]

Ah I see

I'll have to try that

[pastel cape]

The two heralds were so annoying

[brazen imp]

Spinny bois

[pastel cape]

Fr 😭 I tried doing freeze comp with them but they were still so elusive

[gilded dock]

Yeah, no clue how my shitfest managed

[pastel cape]

I ran Xiao double geo 💀
Thank God Raiden national cleaned up in 1 min in first half.
Xiao team had to spend 1 and a half min shredding their thicc shields. Seriously I retried that part so many times

[gilded dock]

Wait raiden national in 1min?

[pastel cape]

Yeah about there, it fluctuates tho. It's fast when I can get the crystallise shields that pop off from the primogeovishap

[modern raven]

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[sage galleon]

Is an elemental mastery sands good on ganyu or should I use attack sands?

[gilded dock]

only on meltyu, and even then debatable

e.g. if you run 4WT on her, prob not a good idea

[rigid heart]

Should I run 2 piece gladiator and 2 piece Shimenawa's Reminiscence
And use Wavebreaker's Fin?, cuz I don't have Calamity Queller

[gilded dock]

@rigid heart yes
and if you meet her ER requirement from substats, Wavebreaker Fin is quite a good choice.

[rigid heart]

I wanna build as much atk% so she can support Ayaka, Ganyu

[gilded dock]

Lithic Spear also is quite good on her at 2+ stacks

[gilded dock]

yeah, but without the ER you won't be helping out a lot

[rigid heart]

I see

[rigid heart]

I don't have it 🥲

[gilded dock]

PREFERABLY, the godrolls should look like this:
Flower / Feather: ATK% maxxed
the rest: Triple ATK% mainstat with all rolls into ER%

[rigid heart]

I'll try
My artifact rolls aren't that good 🥲

[gilded dock]

or into CR once you are at your ER requirement

for my team specifically, it's about ~160%, but once I got that Blizzard Shitter ATK Sands for Rosaria, I'll farm a bit more shime for my shenhe

in theory, if I could switch that ATK sands out and get her a shime headpiece, my shenhe could get close to 200% ER

[rigid heart]

I see

[gilded dock]

which, tbh, might be overkill in my comp

[rigid heart]

So, i can try to get her to 200% ER then

[gilded dock]

depends on your Energy Generation, really

[rigid heart]

Truth is, I haven't built her yet
Only got her to lvl 60 with lvl 1 talents

Just building her friendship up for the namecard 😅

Now, I'm still farming some good blizzard strayer artifacts for Ganyu

[gilded dock]

e.g. my team consists of a chongers with WGS, Rosaria as main DPS, and mona on prototype amber + The Exile as a freezebot, sacrificing her personal damage for utility

so her energy requirements are a bit lower

your team seems to be having ER issues, but tbh never played any of them, so can't really compare

[rigid heart]

Np

Thanks for the help 👍

Say, you're on Europe server, n I'm also there
Is it ok of we can be friends in-game?

[gilded dock]

lately, sets like The Exile, Instructor, scholar, even defender's will / husk for yunjin have become more usable.

[rigid heart]

Oh yeah, I plan to use Husk on my Yunjin

She needs Def ig for her normal atk boost

I'll focus on it later

[gilded dock]

2 Defender's Will, preferably feather and flower, are great on her

[rigid heart]

I see

I'll check it out on her

What about Sucrose?

I haven't built her, but she seems like a really great support

[slim solstice]

stack em on her and give her vv set. shes just there to shred res and gives em to other teammates to boost reaction and elemental dmg.

or you can go off meta critrose in a mono element comp.

[hasty sphinx]

In current meta, zhongli shield bot or burst support is better?

[humble pecan]

Depends on what you need imo

[fleet knot]

If you want to talk about meta, zhongli ain't the one

[hasty sphinx]

How much crit rate and crit dmg is enough for zhongli?

[river ore]

@hasty sphinx has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[fleet knot]

Shield bot is easier

Burst bot is like trying to milk almonds

It can be done I guess, but it's weird

[grand kestrel]

100% crit rate and however much damage you can get. XD

[fleet knot]

60:120

You'll get maybe 40k-50k bursts

[slim solstice]

well build burst support zhongli should be around 70:180 at least. w 2k atk. though i think the best way to build him is to go bruiser zhongli. get a lot of hp but also crits and atk. you get a decent shield and strong burst that is spammable.

[lucid imp]

Should i put crit rate or EM circlet for venti?

[clear heron]

unless you go full EM build for venti, i guess it's better to give him a crit rate circlet

[fierce socket]

for hu tao if I'm using blackcliff pole is it better to go for a crit rate or crit dmg circlet

i'm using white tassel right now

[fleet knot]

This is an extremely high standard to set, practically unachievable without homa

[mild quarry]

Why don't I ever get good artifact drops? How does everyone pull it off?

[slim solstice]

grind and pray

[mild quarry]

☹️

[gilded dock]

Because you are WL6, and most here are WL8 with over a year of grinding

[mild quarry]

...........

Fair

🥺

[slim solstice]

btw do not farm for artifacts before you hit ar45

its a resin loss

use whatever you got

[mild quarry]

Wait, wait, wait! I AM WL8!

And I STILL get garbage artifacts!

[slim solstice]

be lucky

im one of the unlucky ones as well

[mild quarry]

Lol

Just "be" lucky

[slim solstice]

3 month grind not a good crit dmg circlet w crit rate

[mild quarry]

Oy

3 months!? Who has that kind of time!? Or patience?!

😭

[lone lantern]

I'm having trouble deciding who to build next haha
I made a poll of any of y'all feel like helping out xD
https://poll-maker.com/poll4139352x6e064122-129

[fleet knot]

Is there a none of the above

[vestal flicker]

Depends on what you have and what you wanna go for

But crowning bennies burst is never a bad decision

[lone lantern]

everyone else is already build or i dont care for them ahah ^^'

[vestal flicker]

So if you just wanna have fun wit your account and don’t really prioritize beating everything afap

[humble pecan]

Lmao Lisa is the only option with no votes

[vestal flicker]

Just take one you like and go for it

[vestal flicker]

I saw someone do good damage with her

[lone lantern]

thats the problem ;v; the options are all characters i like so im having trouble choosing the next step haha

[vestal flicker]

Constellations are pretty good on her I heard

I guess this is your second account right?

[lone lantern]

noo my first

[vestal flicker]

So you can beat the Game and Build other characters just for fun

[lone lantern]

yeah i just build characters i like thats why im ignoring the baal i got haha but i like to focus on one at a time

[vestal flicker]

If you have shenhe, kaeya would be pretty good and I think he’s fun to play

Without her too of course

[lone lantern]

i dont i pulled for xiao but i prepared before his banner so im done with him

[vestal flicker]

I Saw a vid with xiangling kaeya lisa and another character with projectile around at once

Was cool

[lone lantern]

ohh sounds sick haha

[vestal flicker]

Damn why do people vote the most for that option

[lucid imp]

not a full EM stats. Only use stringless for EM. the rest is ER sands and Anemo goblet

[clear heron]

ooh then I guess it's better that you will use a crit rate circlet? I personally use EM sands, Anemo goblet and then crit rate circlet

[lucid imp]

Ah okay then. i'll try using crit rate circlet. thanks for the advice!

[rapid niche]

How good is yanfei?

And how can i build her guys?

[oblique pelican]

Good enough to get you through the overworld content

[sweet oak]

pretty solid 4*

esp with cons

[oblique pelican]

She's a 4 star? I thought she was a 5*

[rapid niche]

I have c6 yanfei

[sweet oak]

40c crimson

or

[rapid niche]

But dont know how to build her

[oblique pelican]

Use shimenawa pieces and you won't have to go through crimson pain

[sweet oak]

oh yeag

forgot

4pc wanderers

2pc wanderes, 2pc crimson

[oblique pelican]

It's p much the same 80em=18% atk=15% elemental dmg

[sweet oak]

yea just giving the option if they're not farming crimson

[rapid niche]

Thank you @oblique pelican @sweet oak 😁

[bleak river]

Pref not 4pc shim cuz yanfei has enough energy issues as is

[fleet knot]

4p shim is the biggest trap in genshin

in some cases, 4shim is worse than just 2shim

like it is actively bad

[sweet oak]

2shim is basically 2 glad

[fleet knot]

yeah

but my point is that is can often be worse than nothing

[oblique pelican]

Nonetheless, It works for yanfei. Unless you want to use her shield.

[sweet oak]

thats so inefficient

[oblique pelican]

Yanfei's burst doesn't even have a high scaling. It's only for the shield

[fleet knot]

yanfei is a sniper

trade damage for range

basically the thing ganyu doesnt have to do

[fallow isle]

Hi Im a new ganyu main is it possible to have a melt comp and freeze comp at the same time

or would it be a loss of dps

[fleet knot]

sort of, actually

it would be a loss of dps

but you can make an interesting hybrid

[fallow isle]

i see

[fleet knot]

basically, build for freeze but try to get a couple em rolls in your substats
then use ganyu venti/kazuha mona and bennett

[oblique pelican]

[fleet knot]

you can keep bennett as just a healer most of the time, but sometimes you can use bennett's pyro to infuse the anemo burst with more pyro

and then melt off of that

[fallow isle]

bennett the pyro archon

[fleet knot]

in any given case, its worse than just using a dedicated freeze or dedicated melt

but generally, its good enough

[fallow isle]

ohh i see

tysm for your advice 😄

[fleet knot]

its a team the theorycrafters wont tell you about
the forbidden secrets

[fathom minnow]

Can someone help me with some data for a team?

I was planning to get Zhongli for the multipurpose he has. The team I was planning to do is Eula, Raiden, Zhongli and Rosaria.
I have 2 type of things to ask:

1. How much ER would I need on Eula considering I'm going to use Favonius Lance on Rosaria? What's the ER I need on Zhongli and Rosaria?
2. Is it an overkill having the Phys Res shred from Superconduct, Zhongli shield and Rosaria C6?

[fleet knot]

it is overkill yes

also keep in mind that both eula AND raiden are completely immune to knockback during their bursts

so zhongli's shield doesnt help much there

i can only imagine that diona for her cryo battery potential and heals is a much better addition

[fathom minnow]

At what point does the Res Shred falls off?

[fleet knot]

0%

non-ruin enemies generally have 30% iirc

so superconduct is already sufficient

eula and rosaria are just bonus

phys shred is super easy to come by

[fathom minnow]

40% from Superconduct and 20% from either Zhongli shield or Rosaria C6 is enough for Ruin enemies?

[fleet knot]

this is probably more researched on the topic than i am
https://keqingmains.com/eula/#Eula-Raiden_Core

[fathom minnow]

Oh ty

[fleet knot]

dont forget that eula e also shreds phys

like 22%?

[fathom minnow]

Oh, I missremember the Eula E

I thought it was Def

[fleet knot]

23-25%

[fathom minnow]

The highest Phys Res enemy it's the Ruin Boss?

[fleet knot]

70% iirc

40 + 20 + 23 is already 83%

i dont think anything has more than 70% phys res

but even if there were an enemy with 90, shredding 83% of that is already gonna be enough

imo

[fathom minnow]

Yeah

I asked about that because I wanted to know if I should pull in a Banner with Rosaria in the future (obviously I first consider the 5*)

[fleet knot]

rosaria is a very formidable 4* unit

very good in a multitude of places

[fathom minnow]

I only have C0 and wanted to know if it was worth to get to C6 in the future for that team

[fleet knot]

i would not push for her c6, that can cost upwards of $500

or more if youre unlucky

[fathom minnow]

I'm f2p

But I plan a lot ahead generally

[fleet knot]

i think that paints the picture quite well then

:P

[fathom minnow]

I'll aim for C2 for the extra seconds in the ult

[fleet knot]

you'd have to save up for maybe 4 patches (with welkin) to get that much

yeah c2 is pog

for the record, the first suggested eula raiden team is zhongli rosaria

i fail to see how much value he really adds

but it would work well enough

[fathom minnow]

So C2 when I can, maybe C4 if I want to optimize Rosaria damage later

So I put less ER

[fleet knot]

i mean, 25 or so energy from raiden is no joke

if you want to talk about long term planning ahead, i dont think there is a better choice to make than c2 raiden

she is exceedingly powerful

[fathom minnow]

Is there any way or do you know a calculator to get the ER need based on particles you get (and considering Raiden)

[river ore]

@fathom minnow has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[fathom minnow]

I did like plan for all 5* future constellations

[fleet knot]

there are er calculators but i really dont like them, they have to make too many assumptions about your rotation capabilities and what enemies youre fighting

[fathom minnow]

While also considering future characters

My top priorities are C2 Kazuha and C2 Raiden for the

[fleet knot]

yeah same, in the next 2 patches ill be getting those

[fathom minnow]

Although I still need to get Kazuha

[fleet knot]

and then honestly? i think ima just save for c6 ganyu

ive mained her for over a year

[fathom minnow]

Yeah

[fleet knot]

if thats not justification then what is

[fathom minnow]

I mainly wanted to use Rosaria in the team because I don't have that much CR on Eula

[fleet knot]

yeah i skipped eula because i dont like the crit-fishing playstyle

[fathom minnow]

I got 35% CR and still looking for a Sands with good CR and a better Goblet

Goblet onlyh 3.5 and no Sands

[fleet knot]

if youve got the time and the sanity to do go

such a botched crit rate can yield amazing results

[fathom minnow]

So I think Rosaria buff + Cryo resonance woould end maybe on 75% CR which is enough for me

[fleet knot]

would the enemy really be cryo applied though? raiden would be constantly applying electro

[fathom minnow]

Raiden E is applied by abilities or only Normal attack?

I don't remember

Oh

It's just by dmg

It has a cooldown. I need to see if it's possible to apply the coordinated atk with a Normal Atk > Into E to apply Cryo

Just before Eula's Burst explode

[gilded dock]

C2 kazuha is overrated unless you need the EM for comps
and C2 raiden only is relevant if you want to increase her personal DPS and turn her into a hypercarry

you are prob better off getting a signature weapon

and I am currently struggling with rosaria's talent domain

[fathom minnow]

I got Raiden Weapon

Since Raiden is not finished yet I'm using it on Xiang Ling

I'll swap XG to use The Catch after and Engulfing on Raiden

Also I only specifically hunt for a signature weapon when I can really use the 2nd weapon

Since I can also use the permanent ones mostly

There are only a few from the permanent that I actually don't want

Engulfing was with Unforged

And I have a good investment Noelle

I wanted Amos for Ganyu

[gilded dock]

ah I see another noelle main

[fathom minnow]

But I don't want the Zhongli signature weapon

So I'm skipping Amos

Since Amos is a permanent weapon

I'll wait it to show as a 2nd option in another weapon banner (if it really can appear there), drop from permanent banner or at most next Ganyu rerun

Which I feel it will be mostly on Lantern Rite Event I assume

So probably next year

[modern raven]

Hi larkian

Good choice 👍🏾

[gilded dock]

yeah, I mainly pullo n weapons when I got nothing else to do, or I want the weapons badly
Stonethresher came as a surprise, but made me build noelle
and me getting CQ was what got me to get shenhe

now I just need one stupid ATK sands from the BS domain and maybe push rosaria to 200% CD

[fleet knot]

c2 raiden and c2 kazuha are 2 of the top 3 best constellations in the game

value wise

some c6's are better but they also cost significantly more

[modern raven]

A loooot more

[fleet knot]

200 em is cracked on any reaction based team, sucrose is a comparable buffer to kazuha and she only gives the 200 EM to begin with

whether its transformative or amp reactions

[gilded dock]

but only during his ult
diona does the same thing at C6, + healing galore
and diona consts aren't as difficult to get as a kazuha C2 normally, at least when she's on-banner

[fleet knot]

diona doesnt have vv + 40% damage bonus

• access to weapons like freedom sworn

its really not comparable

also there is no range limit on kazuha, its just a timed buff on acitvation iirc

[gilded dock]

inside the Q

[fleet knot]

ok yeah, my bad

still a large range though

c2 r1 kazuha gives
48% damage bonus
200 EM
20% atk
16% damage bonus to all NA/CA/P
and like 6-8 orbs per rotation

and that doesnt even include his personal damage which approaches 200-250k per rotation

[gilded dock]

but then again, prior to current abyss where I am just braindead using national + freeze, I used diona with Instructor to give my sucrose an extra 320 EM, buffing her to 1100, which adds 220 + 50 + 120 == 390 EM to my fischl and XQ.
and having a 680EM fischl trigger EC again every 0.5s is quite fun lol

[fleet knot]

diona also only ticks like, once every other second or so? so the >50% hp isnt really a given outside of freeze comps

iirc

i notice you singing the praise of fischl a lot, and she is good, but i think you overrate her a tad

oh also

does diona c6 not only apply the em to the on field character?

[gilded dock]

yeah, and sucrose is the onfield unit
the 120 is from instructor, not diona c6

[fleet knot]

actually that looks like the case for kazuha too, but its not tick-gated

youre running a 290 em fischl pre buffs?

[gilded dock]

The Stringless + 2 WT (can't be arsed to farm TF domain and the set is cracked) + 44 EM from subs

[fleet knot]

ah, stringless

i forgot stringless existed, it took me until 1.6 to get one

[fathom minnow]

How do you do that?

[gilded dock]

and if my fischl ends up being onfield, e.g. recasting Oz, having her onfield with 880 EM is also quite frightening

[gilded dock]

shinshin.moe

[fathom minnow]

I saw someone else doing that same dmg spreadsheet before but thought it was manual inputed

Ty

[gilded dock]

once I get the missing piece for rosaria, and maybe a better piece for shenhe, I will prob take snapshots of those

[fleet knot]

im a big fan and advocate of the genshin optimizer

[gilded dock]

rosaria needs an ATK sands from the stupid BS domain
and shenhe needs a shime piece so I can replace the shime sands with a better glad sands

[fleet knot]

because i can just do this

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/flex?v=4&d=1C10131c1C1e1119hstaminaSprintDec_2204atk_240bnormal_dmg_216ccharged_dmg_216dplunging_dmg_216helectro_enemyRes_3-303atki1674_4808632069082aburst_dmg_421_6celectro_dmg_h38_3664318779296918600K05pk0149t13i07g0ai3D5pk0348R14F1961ak2Dd9k0844t13L09B1621Dl9k0447I09J1a618l2Dt6k0a41h37g06i29g2DB1bSkywardHarpDN0e

and it shows how much damage stuff does

long link because it embeds the whole build in the link

[gilded dock]

Genshin Optimizer doesn't display the characters as neatly as shinshin.moe, and that site does jack shit when you don't have artifacts to replace tbh

[fleet knot]

i think this display is quite nice

those stats are with a full set of team buffs so take it with a grain of salt

[gilded dock]

where tf is the electro res shred from?

-30% is extreme

[fleet knot]

kazuha

from 10% to -30

you dont half it, the calc does that part for you

[gilded dock]

the res says -30%
it should be -15%

[fleet knot]

no

[gilded dock]

ok nvm saw the note

[fleet knot]

kinda crazy how, due to kazuha's electro buff and my lack of many good electro goblets, the atk% goblet is better

[gilded dock]

to be fair, you still got 53.4% so yeah

you need to 13 her Q though lol

[fleet knot]

it do be doing a lot of damage

because the smaller hit can also hit like 12x

but na

ive literally only used 2 crowns and no plans to use more any time soon

[modern raven]

is there a gud zhongli build for burst and shield?

[urban widget]

do you have homa?

[modern raven]

nope :I

[sweet oak]

4p esof, atk%,geo, cdmg/crate

if you want more shield hp sands

noblesse can be an option too

[modern raven]

okk

[fleet knot]

uh

4sf is gonna be less damage bonus than petra noblesse

unless you have too much ER

[fathom minnow]

Millelith 4set, Noblesse 4set or Noblesse 2set + Geo set 2set

[sweet oak]

yes, depends on what they're aiming for really

also substats

[oblique pelican]

Iirc the ESF set is only good when you've like >180 ER

[fleet knot]

i think its closer to 160 or so

but the point remains

zhongli is a 40 cost burst who can live with 110 or less

[oblique pelican]

At 160, Noblesse might be a better option

[fleet knot]

dont forget that sf, unlike EL and raiden a4, counts the base 100% ER

[oblique pelican]

Yeah, it does

[worldly whale]

Best 2 teams?

[covert echo]

Kokomi, Childe, Albedo, and a Cryo user might be fun

[earnest jetty]

childe, bennett, xiangling, sucrose

[fleet knot]

freeze team with albedo? that sounds like it wouldnt work at all

but yeah, 2 teams
childe xiangling bennett sucrose is a classic meta team
as for the second one, you could get a little whackier
maybe a diluc freeze melt comp? with diluc xq rosaria diona

if you want something different you could run sucrose beidou fischl (in the monthly shop rn iirc) and xingqiu
but that takes both sucrose and xingqiu, which limits your other team a lot

you could also run sukokomon but i cannot recommend that in good conscience because of usability issues

[covert echo]

Maybe not Albedo. i never know how to include Geo honestly

[fleet knot]

yeah its hard to do

they could always run noelle gorou albedo

and it would be solid

but usually geo is just worse than other elements

its an island

[covert echo]

oh Yan Fei or Bennett with the freeze team could be fun

I get high damage from those two all the time

[fleet knot]

[covert echo]

. . . is it weird to have them for elemental reaction damage?

[fleet knot]

<@&874036938351448094>

[fleet knot]

forward melt teams are very fragile

in that if you mess up, you no longer forward melt

[covert echo]

ah

[fleet knot]

precarious is a better word

[covert echo]

I don't super strategize for my teams. if they kill most enemies in the over world they're good enough

[river ore]

@covert echo has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[fleet knot]

fair

in the overworld almost anything will be good

since they asked for 2 teams, that means abyss though

so you gotta be a little more deliberate

[oblique pelican]

Lol, even amber is good in the overworld

[fleet knot]

freeze melt teams are a very tricky way of abusing elemental priority

its like the full cycle of rock paper scissors

[covert echo]

ah yeah I wasn't thinking Abyss. I usually customize level by level. so 2 teams for floor 9, 2 for floor 10 etc.

with Kokomi tho you can leave hydro on the field while switching to the other two elements

[fleet knot]

yeah shes like a weaker/more defensive mona

[covert echo]

it's what I use Rosaria for

[floral dragon]

Hey guy i want to ask

How much Hp zhongli need

[pastel cape]

30k is sufficient
But if you want to go all the way as a shield bot then people can go for 50K

[floral dragon]

I build zhongli to be burst

Bc 2.5 is nerf him

So shield in 2.5 not useful much

[pastel cape]

Hmm then I suppose 30k should be good
Then you can use a crit weapon instead of black tassel

Burst build artifacts are usually 2pc Noblesse 2pc Archaic

[floral dragon]

Yeah about weapon

Ummm

Black tass is best to me

I dont have homa or primo jade

Well jade i have but xiao using it

[pastel cape]

Hmm black tassel won't help boost his burst damage though. Is there another polearm available? For me I use skyward spine

Prototype/favonius would work too

[floral dragon]

Yeah the favonious i give to thoma

[river ore]

@floral dragon has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[floral dragon]

I only have jade spear is 5 star

[humble pecan]

Which would be best for my beloved bennett

[gilded dock]

Def rancour
Flute us trash anyway, and Q only scales from base ATK

[floral dragon]

100% rancour

Benny Q base on his atk

Not include bonus

You need very high dmg weap for him

[inner ravine]

which flower y'all think is better for Itto

[gilded dock]

for which unit?
also, that sounds like a trick question

[grand kestrel]

the second one is clearly in the lead for Itto

unless you proc base defense twice it's definitely going to be better.

[grave patio]

guys whats better for xiao

blackcliff pole r1 or white tassel r5?

[silent tulip]

what was white tassel's passive btw?

oh

normal attack damage

Well i'm pretty sure Blackcliff's better

ok yeah

blackcliff's much better

blackcliff gives atk% which actually matters on xiao

[willow maple]

finally built my ganyu

took only 4 days

😛

[grave patio]

thanks one more sg and I can buy it

[tired burrow]

hello what do we think of c1 diona as a shielder better or healing

[hasty sphinx]

which weapon can i use for zhongli?

[serene pine]

Favonius lance

Or black tassel

[hasty sphinx]

can i give him the catch instead?

[serene pine]

Are u playing as burst support?

[ocean ember]

Catch can work, but basically only if you're not using Xiangling

[hasty sphinx]

yes

[ocean ember]

Xiangling makes a much better use of The Catch, but if you're not using her, The Catch is pretty good for him

[serene pine]

Then catch is better

[hasty sphinx]

ok

how much cr and cd zhongli need?

[serene pine]

Cr and cd? What is that

[hasty sphinx]

crit rate and crit dmg

[serene pine]

Ahhh got it

[ocean ember]

Well, basically as much as you can get with I'd say at least around 25k HP and probs something around 200% ER? Keeping the 1:2 ratio ofc

[slim solstice]

ideally 70/180 for burst support. but that is well invested. i guess 60/120 is fine.

[fleet knot]

fav sword is likely his best option

its lower base attack but the er and free orbs are massive

[fleet knot]

if you need more ER then its going to be the first one
but if you have enough ER, go with the second one

[fleet knot]

crit rate is a tad low, id aim to replace the feather

[fleet knot]

200?

he has a 40 cost burst

you only need like 110 for self sufficiency

[willow maple]

will try

[earnest jetty]

aside from acending her and leveling talents, any tips on improving mona?

[gilded dock]

what team is she for?

also, you forgot to put the hydro DMG bonus in that image

[earnest jetty]

just in general, so probably sub dps

ugh first time using the website. troubleshooting !

[fleet knot]

atk% circlet is not the way

[gilded dock]

you need to scroll down and take a second screenshot on the details page

with her in the main party so her A4 is counted

it also doesn't show CD for some reason

[slim solstice]

freeze comp? her crit rate is low

[gilded dock]

in a freeze comp, you literally buildher differently

[fleet knot]

in a freeze comp you just level her burst and thats it

the rest doesnt matter

[slim solstice]

yea right. she wont really build dmg even

[fleet knot]

4nob if you can

[slim solstice]

its probably a vape mona

[fleet knot]

get some Er

[slim solstice]

and use tales for buff

[gilded dock]

in a Freeze comp, you basically go level 10 Q
then your choice of TTDS or Prototype Amber
and either 4NO, 4ToM, or 4 The Exile

[earnest jetty]

i think once i get a good crit dmg circlet i can switch to lost prayers to get that up

[slim solstice]

i wont suggest lp on her

if shes not the main dps

widsith is better for quickswap mona

[earnest jetty]

good to know!

[silk nest]

how you made(?) pic like that tho

[silent tulip]

shinshin.moe i think

[silk nest]

tysm

any suggest or tips to deal more dmg

my highest crit is 300k

[silent tulip]

What chars are you using her with?

[hasty sphinx]

How much dmg should a f2p ganyu wih r1 protoype cresent deal?

[celest grail]

You could get the bloodstained chivalry set bonus

[verbal harbor]

does anyone know what weapon i should use for zhongli? im giving him a nuke build

[hasty sphinx]

Favonius lance

[verbal harbor]

okay thank youu

also does anyone know how much damage hu tao should do with this build? she basically never crits lol

im also gonna be changing her goblet

[silk nest]

usually xiao kazuha and bennett

[silent tulip]

That's a weird team comp

Hm

[silk nest]

my bloodstain are too suck….

[silent tulip]

I mean like... why is Kazuha there

what does he do in the team

[celest grail]

I agree, why don’t you have a superconduct team?

[silk nest]

idk…. probably bc he’s cute….. hahhahahahahha

[silent tulip]

well uuh

[silk nest]

im thinking abt building some electro user

[silent tulip]

Might wanna switch Xiao for one

[silk nest]

maybe switch kazuha is better bc xiao deal more dmg

[silent tulip]

I mean both of them don't really help Eula so..

[silk nest]

hahaha ill build some for just showcase team ig to buff eula / maybe electro user,yunjin,diona(?),zhongli(if he come home)

[celest grail]

Eula is good with another cryo for battery and Crit rate (diona, rosaria) and then electro

[fleet knot]

I think my ganyu with proto and no buffs does about 22k

Buffs are quite important

[fleet knot]

I recommend genshin optimizer

[silk nest]

dyk how to quickly put af in that…it took so long

[fleet knot]

Yeah the first time setup can take a little bit, but once it's all setup you get access to the most versatile tool the genshin community has to offer (imo)

[ivory violet]

always waiting for better artifacts. however those that I have as they are? I could keep them and increase them?

[fleet knot]

We'll definitely level them

Unleveled artifacts are no good

As for the weapon, if you're going triple HP you might aswell use black tassel or fav lance

The catch is extremely broken on someone like xiangling, so even though it's good for zhongli it's much better in someone else

[ivory violet]

I know about the weapon. in fact, the favlance is being used by xiangling, since I leveled it with the character. As I'm doing now with The Catch.

So I can safely increase the artifacts?

Also because I need to complete the 8 artifacts at level 16 in the Adventure book.

[fleet knot]

What ar are you

You can always level them up and re-fodder them into 5* versions later

[bleak river]

XL prefers catch

[fleet knot]

But since a shield-bot zhongli doesn't care too much about substats, you can really easily get the 5* version with the set bonus

So I'd recommend focusing on that much before ignoring his build more or less forever

[ivory violet]

AR50 & WL6

[fleet knot]

Definitely get 5* artis for him then

[ivory violet]

4 millelith?

[fleet knot]

Sounds right

Or 4nob

4totm is probably just better though

And you can use 4nob on someone else like bennett

[near vine]

how about this?

full millelith

[ivory violet]

👌🏻

all clear 😉

ty

[fleet knot]

A damage built zhongli is legit just not good without homa

Even with homa it's kinda mid

Source: myself and math

[near vine]

i want homa toо

:0

[oblique pelican]

Source: Trust me.

[fleet knot]

Source: straight facts

[sinful osprey]

e

[quartz marsh]

hey guys should i build rosaria for eula team comp?

[slim solstice]

whats your comp now

she works fine but her crit buff is hard to pull off. diona is cool too.

[quartz marsh]

for this abyss i run second half eula+shogun+diona+childe

especially floor12

[slim solstice]

c6 ros?

if so she is pretty viable. for the shred.

she wont give energy by that much since you got raiden and diona already

[quartz marsh]

i am currently looking for the calculation between shred rosaria or ATK increase if i use noblesse on sara

is 20% shred better than 20% atk increase?

[slim solstice]

yea, a lot better

you can use sara to buff shogun though.

her buff doesnt work well with eula because of her burst uptime

[quartz marsh]

okay, thx for the advice

i'll read some more

[quartz marsh]

oh you are right, sara atk buff only 6 sec

[gilded dock]

TL;DR: 20% shred increases DMG effectively by 16.67%, whereas 20% ATK maybe adds a few 100 damage

eh

sorry

idk why I switched to german

there

translated lol

[quartz marsh]

it's okay i can use translate lol

thx anyway

[gilded dock]

say you have 800 base ATK
20% is 160 atk

20% RES shred is going from 90% dmg output to 105%

[quartz marsh]

i understand, and the calculation include overall atk plus bonuses right?

[slim solstice]

i got jebaited initially by the atk% bonus. it doesnt count for the total attack you got and increases them by the said amount. if you got 2.5k atk and you get a 20% atk buff. it doesnt simply give you 500 flat atk.

[quartz marsh]

yes, atk% is too low. i have compare this when i use 30% atk against 15% CD, huge difference

15% CD better

i was considering sara since she have additional ATK bonus based on her base ATK

and also for upcoming yae banner, the abyss might be electro meta

[gilded dock]

basically, the math is so:

1. character's total damage output is calculated (including crit)
2. DMG reductions and DEF are calculated against the incoming damage

so you basically have (TOTAL incoming DMG) * DEF() * (1 - RES%)

1 - 10% == 90% total DMG

res shred halves when the resistance goes negative

so, when you apply 20% RES shred on a mob that has 10% RES, you get -10%, then halve that to -5%
so you end up with

( 1 - [-5%]) == 105% of incoming damage

and 105 / 90 == 116.6666....%, or a net increase of 16.67% total damage

---

TL;DR: 20% RES Shred == 16.67% total DMG increase in most cases

[quartz marsh]

if we consider superconduct effect, which is 40% shred, the calculation will be -25 or -20 percent?

[gilded dock]

-25

[quartz marsh]

wait, no -30 or -25

total 60% shred

[gilded dock]

yeah. and 10% of that is in the positive side

so you are left with 50%

and those are halved

[quartz marsh]

ah okay, thx a lot

[gilded dock]

so you deal 125% instead of 90%, or a DMG increase of 38.89% compared to pre-shred

[quartz marsh]

dude u are the best

[gilded dock]

Eula, Rosaria, Beidou, Raiden, generally speaking, is not a bad comp at all

[quartz marsh]

yea i need more constellation on beidou for the shield tho, so i can stack more for eula burst

without knockback

[gilded dock]

or eula rosaria fischl/raiden flex

do you use her first or second half?

[quartz marsh]

second half for this abyss

first half i use yoimiya+xinqiu+bennett+fischl

[quartz marsh]

oh wait, i only need c1

i need the heal from diona tho, not very good at dodging. maybe if i have better artifact i can use beidou for better time

[gilded dock]

fun fact: rockfond rifthound welps actually have 20% base resistance, so it's actually from 80 to 120, or basically a 50% DMG increase with SC + rosaria Q C6

[gilded dock]

second half is the heralds, so you basically need to go eula, raiden/fischl, diona, rosaria anyway

[quartz marsh]

yea but abyss ends tomorrow, is rosario good enough for the long run? or should i build beidou/sara?

[quartz marsh]

sorry what is SC?

[bleak river]

Superconduct

[gilded dock]

Rosa should be fine

[quartz marsh]

okay guys thx, considering she add additional CR

and i have BP polearm

[gilded dock]

Also, keep in mind, rosaria is an excellent NO holder

Better than diona due to higher burst dmg

[hasty sphinx]

How much crit rate and crit dmg is enough for zhongli?

With the catch

[gilded dock]

Put the catch on xiangling

Without homa, you are typically better off going full HP bot. But if you go HP / Geo / crit, you generally want like 60/160

Or higher

[hasty sphinx]

Currently I dont need xiangling

[hasty sphinx]

So with the catch I should aim for 60/160?

[gilded dock]

I think there are better weapons for him but yeah

[fleet knot]

This is certainly not the case on a eula comp which has like 63% phys shred inherently

[gilded dock]

forgot eula has 23%, my bad

[fleet knot]

Yeah if this is your assumption you're definitely wrong

:p

20% shred is nice but eula has lots, but what is true is that she's far better than childe for a eula comp

[fleet knot]

Fun fact: eula cannot take knockback during her burst

No shield needed

[calm siren]

Anybody know a good melt team for ganyu?

Using hu tao rn

[silent tulip]

got zhongli?

[calm siren]

Yep

Im interested in big dmg

[silent tulip]

I'd say Ganyu Xiangling Bennett Zhongli

[calm siren]

Got shenhe instead of bennet since double cryo resonance

Xiangling tho?

[gilded dock]

you need the battery for xiangling, which is like the only way to sufficiently give you enough pyro

[calm siren]

Oh...

Does thoma work?

Nvm

[gilded dock]

thoma's basically copium

the only real use for him so far is hu tao if you don't own zhongli

[calm siren]

Im not a fan of xiangling

Just tried her out

[silent tulip]

no, i'd say hes a better hu tao support than zhongli

[calm siren]

He has a tendency to steal vapes

[silent tulip]

So?

with him you can go Hu Tao, XQ, Thoma, Sucrose

[calm siren]

Diona

[silent tulip]

Diona's cool, but uuh...

Anemo support pog

[calm siren]

Staff of thoma on xiangling?

[silent tulip]

idk

I mean it works

but the catch is better

[calm siren]

Fish

Pain

Hu tao as off field dps

[frosty oasis]

anyone know what lvl i should put ganyus talents to-?

[maiden monolith]

hii, could anyone help with keqing electro rotations for the biggest dmg?

[fleet knot]

I'd be surprised if the best melt team was anything other than
Ganyu kazuha Bennett shenhe

But besides not having shenhe, most people would trade her for a shield, usually zhongli

[pastel sand]

whats a good freez team for ganyu that is f2p

[fleet knot]

Well all f2p really means is you have a different selection of units

A f2p could easily have Mona or kokomi, or could not

And that's really important to the team comp

If you want the mega budget brand new player version

It's ganyu Barbara anemo mc + cryo unit

[wise oak]

i feel like the word f2p shoudlnt mean like "no five stars" or whatever cuz some f2p accounts have so many good things on their account

like f2p accounts that ik are so cracked

even better than some whale accounts and the onyl thing is the cons

[quartz marsh]

increased DEF yes, but some enemy / effect can knock her if i remember correctly. also shield reduce damage, i dont wanna die midburst

[fleet knot]

no

increased def is from her e

while her burst is active she literally has infinite poise

not to mention that eula wants a battery already

and you know who does that + everything else youre asking for?

diona

battery + heals + resonance + shield

[fleet knot]

and look who is already on your team, too

:P

definitely replace childe he adds next to nothing

rosaria is a good choice

but for knockback, eula should already be completely safe

[quartz marsh]

that is for chamber 1 floor 12 pyro herald and mage, childe adds 1 lvl normal atk'

do you think trio cryo can deal with their pyro shield?

[willow maple]

yea

it should be able to

[fleet knot]

it can though it would be annoying, slotting in a random hydro to handle 12-1-2 is a good idea

but not for the normal attack level

id rather barbara or mona

kokomi being the best option but not recommended because nobody has her + shes still not a good pull

[sonic musk]

do i need em for fischl?

[fleet knot]

some is nice but its not that important

[river ore]

@unkempt oriole has leveled up to LEVEL 16

[unkempt oriole]

wrong channel lol

[hasty sphinx]

Zhongli with deathmatch or the catch is better?

[grand kestrel]

depends on focus

[hasty sphinx]

Wdym

[grand kestrel]

shield or damage focus

[fleet knot]

DM

the catch is too pog on other units to use on zhongli

but i continue to not recommend a damage/nuke zhongli

its far too expensive for far too little payoff

[oblique pelican]

If only, they gave us duplicates of the catch

[grand kestrel]

yes, 22 of them.

[hasty sphinx]

How do I calculate my zhongli final total hp?

[autumn geyser]

you

can put your gear on him

or just literally plug it into a percentage calculaator

would 4p thunder soother be good for a fishcl with skyward harp?

[fleet knot]

depends on the team

for electro charged, yeah probably

[autumn geyser]

its more of

super conuct

but i could do electro charge

id just have to level kokomi up a little bit

[fleet knot]

if youre using fischl as a eula support (or any phys dps), then i would not use 4ts

[autumn geyser]

fish

main dps

[fleet knot]

uh

then you definitely want a physical set

like 2bs2pf

fischl couldnt do 4pf though

[gilded dock]

DPS fischl would go 2PF 2BSC with Electro cup

especially at C6

[fleet knot]

ion know about electro cup

hybrid is very hard to justify

and even then, hybrid units usually go for an atk goblet

because that benefits all damage rather than just 1 type

[autumn geyser]

what is

bsc

[fleet knot]

bloodstained

[autumn geyser]

ohhh

thx thx

[gilded dock]

it's abbreviated as BC or BSC typically
IDK why someone wouldd use BS since that's blizzard strayer

[fleet knot]

because blizz is blizz

[gilded dock]

it's bullshit to farm, hence bs

[fleet knot]

do you like HoD or HoD or HoD

i think i like HoD

[hasty sphinx]

Should I play zhongli burst support or shield bot in my Rosaria Eula Lisa Zhongli team?

[autumn geyser]

shield

[autumn geyser]

oceaic defender unlocks in 38 minutes

wooooo

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