🔨・build-discussion

[open shore]

Anyone here brain enough to think about if the new set that's not dendro bonus is decent on hu tao 🤔

[keen thunder]

Dps fischl?

[gilded dock]

def not on hutao. you miss out on either shime or CW
and even then, it only triggers after hutao hits someone with E/Q, neither of which will happen at the proper timing

not to mention, E doesn't deal damage

[open shore]

Oh right 🤡

Thanks for the brain

[gilded dock]

my guess for best build rn with Tighnari main DPS:
Tighnari - Sig Weap - 4WT
Collei / DMC - 4 Deepwood Memories
Fischl - Stringless - 2WT 2 Gilded Dreams / 4 GD
Bennett - 674 ATK - 4NO

Tighs, DMC, Fischl on EM / DMG% / Crit

[open shore]

Tighs

[ocean ember]

That sounds so funny to me, at least with the proper pronunciation of the name lmao

[austere thunder]

ara ara

[gilded dock]

though moving my best WT pieces off fischl to tighnari will be a painful experience

[unkempt oriole]

i have ideas to test the new artis on non dendro characters

but the motivation is 0

[quasi abyss]

ok so when the electro/dendro reaction comes out what could the combo be for the biggest dmg with Raiden, Trav, Kazuha, Bennet

id assume raiden e, kazuha e/q, trav e?q? bennett burst

of maybe switch trav and bennett

because of the pyro/dendro reaction

[gilded dock]

electro/dendro wants you to have the highest electro and/or dendro application you can get

raiden already does so much damage with so little application it isn't worth forcing her into it

[quasi abyss]

i wanna see how high she could hit

she’s hit 134k highest

[gilded dock]

it's like forcing an elephant, that can easily crush someone via stampede, to use a sword instead

[gilded dock]

dendro doesn't add that much in a single strike, ESPECIALLY, since raiden would need to have massive EM

dendro x electro is death by a thousand cuts

[quasi abyss]

she has 150 em i think? maybe 100

rlly bad arti luck

[gilded dock]

yeah

you are trying to force a giant into a dwarf's house

not happening

[quasi abyss]

ok!

[gilded dock]

just keep her in her national team

if you really want a dendro x electro team

be at least somewhat logical and use fischl ffs

[quasi abyss]

yeah i could use fishl for that

[oblique pelican]

Your hair is winter fire, January embers. My heart burns there, too

[quasi abyss]

i run her with stringless

[gilded dock]

@quasi abyss I literally posted this just before you barged in with your forced-raiden-em-build

[oblique pelican]

Don't bully Beverly

[quasi abyss]

what if i used the new arti set

[quasi abyss]

kokomi beverly solidarity

[quasi abyss]

i’ll just farm for hours on the new dreams domain D:

[unkempt oriole]

synergy-wise i only thought of tighnari with some off field electro

while raiden sounds like a nice option, yea, not worth

she has better uses

[quasi abyss]

like slaying

[gilded dock]

rational will be her best team alongside hyperraiden for big pp energy

[unkempt oriole]

wonder how would beidou work with dendro

[oblique pelican]

Sam, I wrote the haiku for you

[gilded dock]

but if you want Catalyze to pop off: double-dendro + fischl + bennett (or sucrose if you want to share 200EM)

[quasi abyss]

ty!

[open shore]

Hmmm I assume the increase in em and charged atk dmg from shims might not be worth a decrease everywhere else huh 🤔

[unkempt oriole]

you're right

[quasi abyss]

i was born in january!

[oblique pelican]

January embers 🔥

[unkempt oriole]

and also

[quasi abyss]

:D

[unkempt oriole]

hutao's burst is non-negligible part of dps and sustain so... better to not shime tao

[open shore]

Yes

[unkempt oriole]

getting jelly with ur c1 tao and homa

:<<

[open shore]

I was tryna see if my shims might be good enough to endure her ult but I guess not

Lol I don't have a lot of other characters so c1 and Homa it is

[unkempt oriole]

energy issue would be pain for shime tao

[open shore]

Yeah cus I don't need the heals but it's nice to iframe as a last resort lol

[unkempt oriole]

dw i have a friend trying and suffering shime tao lmao

so im here to advise against it because i witness it LMAO

[austere thunder]

wat the 69 and 194

[open shore]

I would love to give hu tao a better cwof em sands but

[unkempt oriole]

crimson bitch heh

[open shore]

What about it

[unkempt oriole]

was 69 joke ig

[open shore]

I wanna give her the best but I also don't wanna die lol

Maybe strongbox 🤔

[unkempt oriole]

yep

i would strongbox that mf

rng still but

less effort

imma dump all those maiden pieces into it for some trash cw artis

maybe potentially some good ones

maybe

[austere thunder]

wat can i say!! nothing bt pog

[open shore]

But maybe 😭

[oblique pelican]

Why not homa+cw?

You also don't own ZL iirc 🤔

[open shore]

I currently use Homa and cw

I was just curious

[open shore]

Nope, why?

[oblique pelican]

For you to be using DBane would mean a homa lying dormant

[open shore]

Oh hahaha yes

If I can get cyno and he's good on Homa, might consider redoing hu tao with my r5 db

Hold on lemme show db build I'm on enka cooldown

Obviously a loss in cdmg but there's a slight buff in HP and em and of course there's the passive on db too

I never ran calcs but it's prob not too far off from my Homa build tbh cus that sands is so much more useful

[oblique pelican]

Isn't it the same?🤔

[open shore]

But the <1000 ATK is pain

[open shore]

Same as?

[oblique pelican]

The second one? Dbane+cw

[open shore]

OH WAIT I DIDN'T REALISE THE FIRST ONE WAS WRONG LMFAO

[oblique pelican]

Huh!

[open shore]

This is actually what she's using 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Clown hours omg

I meant to compare this with the shims

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[oblique pelican]

Lol

[open shore]

The struggle is real today

[oblique pelican]

And here I thought I missed yer cw+homa build 💀

[open shore]

Sowie

Me dumb

No know how use phone

Am clown 🤡

[humble pecan]

Gimme ur crimson witch pieces I've been farming it for weeks and got no good pieces

[oblique pelican]

[open shore]

FOOL YOU THINK WEEKS IS GUNNA GET YOU ANYTHING???

[humble pecan]

I usually get at least 2 good pieces in a few weeks 🙃

[open shore]

No need to flex

[oblique pelican]

CW is different

Hits different

[open shore]

Still working on him but damn boy wtf is this

Do I need to bring back Rosa for that crit buff lol

[oblique pelican]

Your crit luck on vv tho 💀

[open shore]

Lmfao those are the only two good ones

Like hu tao's circlet is mediocre but somehow the best for her

I don't have enough good luck for a full 4pc for heizou tho sadly

[open shore]

DAMN GIVE IT HERE

[oblique pelican]

Neva! It's the only good vv crit piece I have

[open shore]

You have so many VV lol

[oblique pelican]

All copium

[open shore]

Lol my em VV.... So cope

🤢

But good enuf

[open shore]

Hold my beer

Sexiest em hat you'll ever see

LMFAOOO

[oblique pelican]

Oof...
||The flex wasn't intentional 😅||

||Just wanted to show the number of vv pieces 😂||

[vagrant moth]

if I don't have Homa is it still worth building Hu Tao with full HP?

[open shore]

Define full HP🤔

HP/pyro/crit

HP/HP/HP is actually not that good lol

[austere thunder]

Give me

[tribal nova]

Kinda sad you got c0 c3 is prob best but still very good build

[open shore]

I can't help that he's a sneaky little boy 😭😭😭

I will get his cons one day!

[open shore]

Good team comps for heizou?

[tribal nova]

Would advice pyro swirl team maybe melt swirl if you got good cryo

[quasi abyss]

i just realized kusanali might need em

[tribal nova]

Rip

[quasi abyss]

i just got done with kazuha as well

[tribal nova]

I use heizhou bennet kazuha zhongli

[river ore]

@tribal nova has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[tribal nova]

Still working on him but I prioritize bennet and xiao

What do peaple use for kazuha anyway

Maybe em/anemo dmg / crit or em/em/crit

[quasi abyss]

buffs

each em number gives 0.04? element buff

i think

em em em

[tribal nova]

That’s crazy em

So can I just copy sucrose build to kazuha

[quasi abyss]

yeah

[oblique pelican]

C6 sucrose is generally better than a C0 kazuha in reaction teams, but can be a bit hard to get the correct elemental absorption for sucrose's burst

[tribal nova]

I use xiao bennet kazuha zhongli so kinda need kazuha skill for better grouping

[oblique pelican]

Sucrose is a better support for xiao than kazuha

[tribal nova]

She is I do have c0 sucrose tho

[oblique pelican]

You only need a ttds on her; or sac frag if you have er problems

[open shore]

Sucrose trades being clunky and hard to swirl properly with being absolutely bonkers as a short term support

[open shore]

Hmmm maybe Rosa after all 🤔 crit and melt lol

Can't want for them to give me more team slots so I can see how many separate teams I can make with no overlap 😂😂😂

Rosa xiangling kaeya heizou 🤔🤔

No shield or heals tho help

[tribal nova]

Should be fine

Is a nice team comp

[open shore]

Hmmm wonder if the better crit is worth the loss of em 😔

[austere thunder]

Game play

I want gameplay

[open shore]

?

[austere thunder]

i want gameplay

[open shore]

Of my heizou????

He's still A4 with crap talent levels lol

[tribal nova]

I would suggest 4psc VV unless your planning raw anemo damage and not much swirl

[open shore]

My VV pieces are ass that's why he's on shim lol

[tribal nova]

So temporary atk piece then it’s fine

[open shore]

Suppose I could nerf my hu tao for a 4vv heizou that would actually do both less swirl and less crit dmg lmfao but I guess he'd be good for echarge

[river ore]

@open shore has leveled up to LEVEL 25

[rustic girder]

hate how hard VV domain likes to make me regret trying to farm for an EM goblet

nvm just got one XD

[grand kestrel]

never bother with on set goblet. If you get one, great.

[humble pecan]

The chances of you getting a 5* on-set EM goblet are lower than u getting a 5 star on any random pull lol

[grand kestrel]

now what are the odds of getting one that's actually worth investing in. 😛

[oblique pelican]

On-set vv em goblet. Whyd you want any other on set em goblet

[bleak river]

Totm for kuki

That's it

[grand kestrel]

you don't need on set EM goblet, you just need EM goblet.

[oblique pelican]

Kuki doesn't exist

[bleak river]

Kuki exists

Just not very much

[grand kestrel]

none of the characters exist, they're fictional.

[bleak river]

Tru

They exist on this thing I think people call the internet

[hidden harness]

what are the best artifacts to put on jean?

as in stats

[rustic plank]

crit atk anemo

[hidden harness]

no em or er?

[rustic plank]

I'm assuming jean will use er weapon so the er should come from that

[unkempt oriole]

em er works too but she's better as dps build

imo at least

[bleak river]

Atk anemo crit for normal use
Triple em for sunfire

For weapons, amenoma works wonderfully

[unkempt oriole]

^

R5 is amazing

[bleak river]

The only problem is that quite a few chars want it

And it's a craftable

[oblique pelican]

Jeans with artifact scraps

[unkempt oriole]

why not 4 vv?

oh nvm

its a dps jean

but with wt

[oblique pelican]

It's a healer jean

[unkempt oriole]

jade cutter though

[oblique pelican]

Dormant arts

[unkempt oriole]

ah makes sense since u just slap whatever works

just feels kinda weird seeing WT + VV

[oblique pelican]

[hidden harness]

oh

yes ty

[tender agate]

which is better

[oblique pelican]

Second ✌🏼

[tender agate]

with second one my er is like 147

but anyways i am still farming

thanks

[austere thunder]

Secondd

[tender agate]

[tribal nova]

Is there any good craftable weapons for xiao

[silver venture]

Proto ? Idk

[tribal nova]

What is proto substat ?

/ passive

[bleak river]

There isn't a good craftable for xiao atm

[tribal nova]

I was checking just now I need a better weapon

Is r3 white tassel or royal spear better

[open shore]

Wait for next month and get the black cliff over both those options

[tribal nova]

That’s way better yeah great idea totally did not think about that it’s c dmg sub richt

[oblique pelican]

There is no good craftable polearm

[hidden harness]

i crafted iron spike some days ago

but i benched it because i got the catch soon after

[oblique pelican]

Iron (sting;crescent) pike

Crescent pike is the polearm

[open shore]

Crescent pike and catch are also two very different uses lol

[humble pecan]

Would a shield bot Noelle just use triple def for artifacts?

[visual osprey]

why shieldbot noelle though

her shield has a big downtime

maybe try diona or something

[sacred prism]

yeah there’s no reason not to

[sacred prism]

dionas shield scales so badly compared to noelles

[oblique pelican]

Still a better shielder than noelle

[visual osprey]

idk id rather have a 6k shield at 80% uptime than a 10k shield at 50% uptime

[gritty tusk]

C0 Physical Zhongli DPS & Arataki Gang Shinobu x Itto | Spiral Abyss 2.8 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfVYj_Fn0ro

[visual osprey]

i mean the point is moot if u hav zhongli bcos obv a 20k shield at 100% uptime is better

but noelle is really not that good of a shield bot

she makes a decent healer tho

spin2win

[oblique pelican]

On-field healer tho*

[open shore]

Thoma with cons is also very long uptime imo

[visual osprey]

ok but a 1k shield with 100% uptime is still bad xd

[open shore]

🤷 dunno what y'all feeding your kids, they just need the right stuff, my Thoma was fine against mechanical snek

[visual osprey]

snek doesnt really hit so its ok

[open shore]

In abyss it sure does

[grand kestrel]

ya'll seem to forget that geo characters have shield outside of their own toolkit.

crystalize is not hard to guarantee.

[open shore]

Yup

Just not as durable 🤷

[grand kestrel]

sure, but it can easily make up for the downtime of Noelle's shield, and you can totally proc multiple.

Aaaand, if you should happen to take damage during that window, she can just heal you back up 😛

[open shore]

Yup crystallize is only not great against face tanking stuff but if you know how to half assed dodge crystallize is great

[grand kestrel]

I mean this game was not designed by a master tactician (probably why Kokomi doesn't fit her lore) if you can dodge better than moderately incompetent you should be fine under most conditions with or without a shield.

[open shore]

Yup

There's no need to meta 🤷 eventually your brain should recognize patterns and dodge major injury

Kinda like real life lol

[grand kestrel]

I mean shields are nice if you are constantly being interrupted, but you should probably figure out why you're being interrupted and avoid that if possible rather than relying on crutch XD

[open shore]

Shield is nice for brainless gaming tho

Which is what I do most of the time

[unkempt oriole]

sneezes in bow/catalyst character

[grand kestrel]

that sounds revolting

[open shore]

Tartaglia

[grand kestrel]

turtle ganglia

[ebon ginkgo]

you mean to tell me theres no irl meta? there goes my plans...

[open shore]

I wish

[grand kestrel]

sure there's a meta, be born rich.

or work your ass till you're rich.

the second is not guaranteed.

the first is RNG

[bleak river]

The first is a gacha you really shouldn't reroll

[open shore]

Don't even know how you would reroll. Die?

[humble pecan]

or abandon your family for a richer one

[open shore]

How would you get them to take you tho 🤔

[visual osprey]

jus reroll ur family

[open shore]

Nice, just one sec, gotta sign up for a new email account. What lvl do you need to unlock the life gacha function?

[visual osprey]

u gotta sign out firs

[open shore]

Oh right I forgor

[modern raven]

zhongli build except i dont have zhongli or his c6

[gritty tusk]

C0 Ayato Overvape Variant & C3 Raiden Shogun Hyper Carry | Spiral Abyss 2.8 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoWZUh6aNtM

[modern raven]

not build discussion per say but IF i get zhongli should i replace bennett or raiden w him?

currently, team is ganyu - bennett - raiden - kazuha

DPS meltyu, support bennett / kazuha, and raiden is just.. there

but if i replace raiden w zhongli then w the upcoming dendro i can only do burning since cryo/geo/anemo doesnt react to dendro (i believe)

but then again even if i replace bennett w zhongli since in my team they fill the same roles (healer/shielder) i wont be able to apply melt anymore and i'd have to change sets.. but what would i even change it to? if i did go to 4pc blizzard / 2pc bliz 2pc atk bonus wouldnt it be better if i went instead for kokomi? but i dont want kokomi since zhongli is more versatile in terms of shield/healer for other teams if i wanna switch out.

UGHIUHDIN someone help

[quasi abyss]

raiden

i don’t rlly think she contributes much

[unkempt oriole]

^

[open shore]

^

but also, how are you playing that benny applies pyro for ganyu melt? I thought she prefers xiangling to apply pyro while she charged-shots everything

[oblique pelican]

Bennett isn't the one applying Pyro here. Kazuha is doing all the work. Bennett provides the Pyro source
Ganyu E→kazuha E→Bennett Q→kazuha Q→ Ganyu CA

[open shore]

ah right, sorry, I keep forgetting that kazuha ult exists (cus I hate it lmfao)

[quasi abyss]

where does raiden come in?-

[oblique pelican]

Also, iirc Ganyu's flower explodes as soon as you do kazuha Q, so there's double swirl there

[open shore]

niceu

[oblique pelican]

Not enough er on kazuha

[visual osprey]

lol

just give kazuha fav

[open shore]

or sac for overkill LOL

[visual osprey]

sac is less team energy. up to u

guess sac is fine if u dont have any crit on the em pieces

[oblique pelican]

Hmm, interesting 🤔

[visual osprey]

thats enough er wha

my kazu is 130 er and surprisingly he still gets his burst back

oh nvm hes 150

[open shore]

I'm at like 136 🤡

[oblique pelican]

One skill between rotations and I get his burst back

[open shore]

His ult hurts my eyes 🤡

[gilded dock]

get gaming glasses

[oblique pelican]

I usually use him against bosses. For smaller mobs, venti exists

So no problemo with burst blinding me

2 weeks of farming on alt

[hidden harness]

how do you even get time to play alt and main together?

[oblique pelican]

It only takes 5 mins. To spend a day's resin. Another 5 to do comms.

[hidden harness]

pro

im thinking of making an alt rn

[open shore]

two weeks. i'm about to commit a m

[oblique pelican]

Commit unalive

[modern raven]

she doesnt, shes there for emotional support :')

[modern raven]

wait is this like a website or sum?? what is this :0?

[oblique pelican]

https://enka.network/

You have to make you profile public for it to work

[open shore]

Oh damn I don't love the crit rate but maybe it's time to revisit shim hu tao build cus that +0 def is chef's kiss

[unkempt oriole]

lmaoooooooo

[open shore]

Could actually use Homa passive cus I'm stuck rn with shit em sands cus cwof no wanna drop em 😔

And that cw HP sands is being wasted rn, with the MINT stats

[visual osprey]

i cant imagn making alt

no way im going thru early game agin

not fun

[grand kestrel]

I can't imagine making an alt because there's no good reason to do so. What benefit can I possibly receive from gimping myself of all the stuff I've already obtained?

give me new game+ and I'll consider it. XD

[open shore]

the only reason I have an alt is so I can play with my overseas friends. it is definitely not up to date and only there to get to 55 to play with friends

[grand kestrel]

this is a reasonable purpose to an alt. Though I can't imagine the ping is very good. 😛

[modern raven]

ily

[zenith void]

Would it be a good idea to level up the shimenwa and use that instead of gladiator?

[visual osprey]

probably

[austere thunder]

I say shimenwa

[visual osprey]

looks like ur glad piece has 3 useful rolls in it (1 atk roll, 2 hp rolls)

[austere thunder]

If u got 4pc then it will be rlly gud on her

[visual osprey]

the shime piece already has 3 useful rolls in it and u havnt even leveled it (em, cr, atk)

the 2glad bonus is 3 atk rolls tho

so if u happen to also get 2shime bonus then ur fine

but if not u might hav to roll lucky to make up for the lost atk

[ocean ember]

ATK isn't that relevant for Tao

4p SR is better. They don't have it yet but even then, the SR piece is better than the Glad one by far.

[zenith void]

Sr?

[ocean ember]

It has 2 DEF rolls, not HP ones

[visual osprey]

14 hp is one roll?

[ocean ember]

Shimenawa's Reminiscence

[zenith void]

O

[ocean ember]

Ah, confused it with subs. But SR is still a better option, unless it all rolls into DEF and ATK

[visual osprey]

yea

[zenith void]

I leveled them both too max

[visual osprey]

yea those r some decent rolls on shime piece

i dont hav hutao so i never botherd looking how much hp matters over atk

but thats a decent piece regardless of who its on

[zenith void]

Well at least its useable for a decent amount of characters so that's all that matters to me

[ocean ember]

Significantly

But in this case, SR is still better

EM is pretty important to her

Just 2 rolls on CR but still adds value

No extra rolls on DEF which is good

[open shore]

Em on hu tao is arguably more important than crit (dmg) stats, depending on your build

[modern raven]

whats a good bow for fischl

other than stringless r5 (venti's bow)

[bronze flame]

mitternacht waltz for drip and onfield DPS ;P

[visual osprey]

alley hunter is probably the next best but its limited so probably not a lot of people hav it r5

[ebon ginkgo]

viridescent hunt (if you buy bp) is good, alley hunter (if you have it) is good, and mitternachts waltz is good for on-field

if you have nothing else but you have these, then windblume ode or fading twilight arent the worst for her but theres definitely better options

[modern raven]

i dont have it

i can try pulling for thundering pulse if thats better 😭

[bronze flame]

I mean, obviously it is, alley flash is also on the banner, but

Weapon banner is a scam

[open shore]

Weapon banner is a scam

[bronze flame]

If you haven't gotten your BP weapon, viridescent hunt is supposedly good

[open shore]

Ayo hu tao mains: is a 15k increase in CA on shims worth the loss in burst dmg? Compared to 4cw I mean

[bleak river]

Assuming you do 8 N2CJs, that'd be 120k+ since SR also boosts NA
How much does your burst do

I personally prefer shim cuz I don't wanna farm cw, and with enough er/fav weapons, you can conceivably burst every other rotation

[open shore]

I haven't tested the burst cus it takes a little more time since I gotta recharge, hu tao in abyss routinely hits 200k. Was just wondering if it was worth my time to go testing it cus I hate dmg testing a lot lmfao (and I haven't figured out how to burst on shims yet tbh 😂)

I am also not skilled so I do n1cd or whatever the heck the acronym is

(which is why I've been using cw for so long cus I'm stupid and can't play lol)

[bleak river]

N1CD...
You have c1?

[open shore]

Ya

No brain, so saved primos instead lmfao

[bleak river]

Lmao

[open shore]

I dunno if she vapes every charged tho

[bleak river]

She should

CA has no icd

[open shore]

Oh right 🤔

Welp I guess abyss reset is a good time to test shims walnut 🤔

[bleak river]

If you're doing a normal vv vape team you shouldn't be bursting unless you're really close to death

[open shore]

Yeah, since I put Thoma with her, she's been struggling to stay under 50% with hydro res heals from xingqiu 😂😂😂

[bleak river]

Ye bursting can do that since it heals you

[open shore]

when healing becomes a problem 😔

[modern raven]

i dont have bp ;-; nor welkin

[bronze flame]

Definitely don't advise pulling on weapon banner then, you'll eventually get 5 star weapons from the standard banner

[oblique pelican]

Skyward Pride

[rose folio]

why is lost prayer ranked so much higher than widsith for yae miko?

[timber hearth]

am I supposed to be optimising itto rotation?

cus I play him right now as ooga booga I see oni face go boom I hold left click

otherwise I just spam lmb

[modern raven]

ooh okay

[bleak river]

That's not a rotation, its an attack combo

[flint tangle]

can anyone give me a keqing build suggestion

[sacred prism]

can you get all 5* weapons from standard?

[bronze flame]

no, these specifically https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Wanderlust_Invocation#Weapons

[sacred prism]

ty

ahh so a good amount of 5* weapons aren’t available on standard

so that’s why people wish on weapon then

thanks for the link

[bronze flame]

that's true. but also the weapon banner is a scam, and very not worth for f2p

[sacred prism]

true, the epitomised fate mechanic sucks

[bronze flame]

only pull if you want both weapons, and there's no character you're saving for

[sacred prism]

mhm

[bronze flame]

in the case ^^ upthread, they specifically were only talking about bow weapons

and the summit shaper isn't like, good

[rustic plank]

even if u fate and want both, you can still get standard banner weapon so do it if you can do at least 2/2

[bronze flame]

right - i only have 2 standard weapons, so it's basically if you want any of the standards and either of the rate ups

[blissful wagon]

What is the most fun part of Keqing's kit for you?

[flint tangle]

his elemental skill

her

[blissful wagon]

Build an electro Keqing then

[flint tangle]

but i have raiden as electro dps

[blissful wagon]

here's the issue with keqing - her e-skill means she's almost always dealing only electro-damage

so if you don't want electro-keqing, you have to never touch the elemental skill, which is super lame

[flint tangle]

then i better go for electro keqing then

[blissful wagon]

she's a lot of fun - not sure how she'll synergize with RS, but certainly there's a ton of electro application for synergy with other characters

I have mine paired with yelan and while that's definitely not the meta, Yelan burst + electro Keqing is the most fun pair I have

[flint tangle]

i have ayato

as hydro applicanr

[blissful wagon]

Does ayato have to be on-field to apply?

[flint tangle]

yeah

basically ayato e gives huge damage for 6 second

then we could use keqing

or xingqiu and keqing can do?

[blissful wagon]

so there's meta and there's "what do you want"

If you want to run Ayato + Keqing, don't let anyone hold you back - Genshin is more fun when you're...playing in a way you think is fun

that said, you want an off-field DPS/applicator for Keqing

since Keqing has to be on-field to apply electro and do damage

Xingqiu is a pretty famous sub-dps, so I would definitely pick him over Ayato

or you could do two abyss teams, one with Ayato/RS/etc./etc. and the other Xingqiu/Keqing/etc./etc.

[flint tangle]

this sounds far better than i have in mind

i want to clear spiral abyss

[blissful wagon]

from my research, the best way to clear it is to have a few good 5*s, a little luck, and a built Bennett, Xingqiu, Raiden Shogun, and Xiangling

then you can roll some canned teams that do very well

[flint tangle]

alright , kindly help me out then

[blissful wagon]

if you want to roll your own, think of your teams in terms of "DPS", "Sub-DPS", "Support" and "Reactions"

two on-field DPSes don't work together well, if your Sub-DPSes can't rotate effectively you'll be in trouble, Supports can be multipliers, and reactions are key for the big numbers

[flint tangle]

i have all standard 5 stars except diluc,and , raiden, klee, kazuha, xiao, ayato

i dont understand the concept of sub dps exactly

[blissful wagon]

Do you know how xiangling's burst works?

[flint tangle]

off field pyro applicator

[blissful wagon]

exactly. I presume you know what that means?

[flint tangle]

yes

[blissful wagon]

Now, compare with Keqing - does she have any off-field...anything?

electro application, damage, etc.

[flint tangle]

no , on field

so keqing cant be sub dps

[blissful wagon]

So Keqing would be considered "DPS" - she has to be on-field, and her role is dealing damage on-field

Xiangling is "Sub-DPS" - she deals damage/elemental application, but off field, and so her effectiveness relies heavily on who the main DPS is

[open shore]

(dps is just how much dmg a character will do. you can have an onfield dps or an off field dps)

[blissful wagon]

thanks for clearing that up, my esteemed colleague

[open shore]

(xiangling is an off field dps, her dps is insanely higher than whoever you put on field for her most times)

[blissful wagon]

@flint tangle make sense so far?

[flint tangle]

yes it does, thanks for teaching me

[blissful wagon]

alright, last two categories - Support and reactions

[flint tangle]

yes, support are the healers and dmg buff providers

[blissful wagon]

exactly

[flint tangle]

i have a question , raiden can be both sub dps and dps considering her E and Q

[blissful wagon]

Absolutely!

[visual osprey]

dont expect her E to do much dmg lol

[blissful wagon]

For a character like that, you have options - you can use either role, or both. Usually a character prefers some role, but it's certainly an option you have

[visual osprey]

raiden is not really a sub dps shes a burst support

[flint tangle]

no its just as sub dps , electro applicant

[visual osprey]

no shes bad at that too

e proc has standard icd

[open shore]

fischl is a better electro applier

[visual osprey]

which means u get 1 electro app every 3 procs bcos each is 1 second apart and standard icd is 3hits or 2.5 seconds

[open shore]

or even yae tbh

[dense atlas]

help, me need team

[visual osprey]

team for what

[dense atlas]

an actually good team

my team sucks and i don't know about this stuff xd

[visual osprey]

one?

[blissful wagon]

@flint tangle As you can see, discussions have moved onto reactions - this is where things get really interesting. Not all off-field applicators are equal, and your choice of reactions/applicators/etc. make a large difference

[dense atlas]

could be two, I'm at that part of abyss that needs two teams, I'm happy with one tho xd

[blissful wagon]

yae rerun when

[open shore]

(oh geez are you just at floor 5, because you don't really need teams in 1-8, just level characters you like playing and throw them together)

[flint tangle]

can you explain the last line

[river ore]

@flint tangle has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[dense atlas]

floor 7

[oblique pelican]

You pulling for ZL right?

[dense atlas]

Zhongli

want the poor boy

[open shore]

geo unga bunga is a team you can do

[bronze flame]

one half ningguang/gorou/itto, one half fischl/beidou/barbara/heizou

[open shore]

itto gorou zhongli + flex (or geo traveller)

[blissful wagon]

You know how @visual osprey and @open shore were saying "Raiden is bad as electro applicant" and "Fischl or Yae Miko are better applicators"?
Not all sub-dps element applicators are equal

[open shore]

yes, use heizou, he alarmingly strong for a 4* wtf

[dense atlas]

only need Zhong boy then xd

[flint tangle]

yes , but how?

[blissful wagon]

Think of it this way - both Amber and Xiangling are off-field pyro applicators

[dense atlas]

as i already stated before, Heizou + Fishl is so strong for no reason

[visual osprey]

didn u state u have no idea before

where did that come from

[blissful wagon]

Amber tosses the bunny and it explodes with pyro damage after a few seconds
Xiangling has a rotating ring of fire for...a long time

[dense atlas]

i said my team sucks, if only those two are useful in my team I'm doing something wrong xd

[open shore]

you're very early, it's understandable that your team "sucks"

[blissful wagon]

If you're trying to do overloaded reactions with Keqing, then Xiangling will be a much better applicator. Make sense?

[bronze flame]

what is your team now?

[dense atlas]

(Heizou)

[oblique pelican]

You can do heizou tazer once you get XQ

[visual osprey]

why xiangling

[dense atlas]

see?

[open shore]

or heizou melt with xl, kaeya, diona

[visual osprey]

ur gonna spend all ur time chasing down enemies

[bleak river]

OL with melee is a stamina sink

unless bosses

[visual osprey]

heizou and overload r gonna blow them across the room and ur gonna waste 5 seconds chasing down each individual enemy

[bronze flame]

so the other 3 are anti-synergistic there - if you do xiangling burst with barbara skill, you're doing vaporize hits, but then fischl's skill is causing overloads, which makes the vapes not always happen

[open shore]

overload so fun in overworld, but abyss makes you cry

[oblique pelican]

Overload at higher floor do not matter much

[dense atlas]

I was trying to get mona in there, but don't really know how

[open shore]

(barbara on field driver for xiangling??? )

[bronze flame]

except when an electro archer gets you and then you just bounce across bennett's hand

[dense atlas]

i also have barbara solely for healing

[open shore]

ahahahaha yes, klee doing overload on lawachurls is hilarious until she gets hit dkjfhakshdf poor child

[blissful wagon]

things are getting messy here, but does that answer your question?

[flint tangle]

yes it does, thanks

[open shore]

mona is complicated to use if you want to take advantage of nuke, but just for buff, she's good. stack ER

[open shore]

(shrugs in ICD lol)

[dense atlas]

replacing who tho? Xiangling?

[oblique pelican]

Advantage of bukkake

[dense atlas]

are you all talking about her burst?

[oblique pelican]

Yeah, her burst

[dense atlas]

I'm so scared of making a typo while writing burst xd

[open shore]

SHHHH THERE WAS NO TYPO

[dense atlas]

ok so, Heizou, Fishl, Mona and Barbara then?

[bronze flame]

i somehow didn't see mona - heizou/fischl/beidou/mona would be great

[open shore]

ye

[dense atlas]

huh, alright, will try it

will need lots of xp tho

[oblique pelican]

Mona-Prototype Amber

[bronze flame]

drop oz > drop mona's skill > heizou NA+CA to swirl them, beidou skill parry > beidou burst > mona burst > heizou on-field combos

[open shore]

did you think i didn't see polearm mona

[dense atlas]

[oblique pelican]

[bronze flame]

that's assuming you have a 4pc viridescent venerer set on heizou

[dense atlas]

ye

[bronze flame]

which will shred resistance to both electro and hydro if oz and mona's skill are both hitting the same enemy

[dense atlas]

my boy

[bronze flame]

so you set up that shred first, then you go into beidou burst state to capitalize on that shred

[bronze flame]

why nerf his O face tho

[dense atlas]

idk, it looked funny xd

[oblique pelican]

Mappa mare

[dense atlas]

ye, im sad

[open shore]

not the worst lol

[dense atlas]

[bronze flame]

it's fine

[open shore]

could be..... eye of perception

lol

[dense atlas]

is that bad?

[open shore]

mappa is prob one of the best f2p for heizou

[bronze flame]

eye of perception is bad

[open shore]

mappa good, eye bad

[bronze flame]

mappa mare is good enough

[dense atlas]

i have mappa mare on both him and mona

[oblique pelican]

Don't you have a widsith/sacfrag?

[dense atlas]

there probably is a better one for mona but for now its good

[bronze flame]

mona won't be getting much value out of mappa mare, I think?

[dense atlas]

No

[bronze flame]

oathsworn eye?

[dense atlas]

I'm poor on 4* weapons that are not Favonius sword lol

i got fishl stringless tho

[oblique pelican]

It's a relatively new useless event weapon

[bronze flame]

its passive gives ER, which mona likes, but that's about it

[open shore]

lol my heizou was temp on oathsworn because I thought I would only use him for friendship but then he hit 20k with lvl 1 talents and I was???? do I need to build this guy

[bronze flame]

it's also ATK%, which since she's providing the aura (not the trigger), will be more valuable for mona

[oblique pelican]

If a weapon isn't versatile, it's usefulness is compromised

[bronze flame]

yeah, i still need to build him, looking at people's numbers is wild

[open shore]

i now want his cons smh

i despise farming bugs tho

[oblique pelican]

Doing ~80 pulls got me only 1 heizou

[dense atlas]

is Stringless good for Fishl?

[open shore]

it is top tier for fish

[oblique pelican]

It is.

[dense atlas]

[open shore]

my friend on c6 hei, i'm not jealous at all x.x

[dense atlas]

i got two on the same 10 pull

[oblique pelican]

It's not like I was planning on building him anyway

But I'd rather have gotten him than a C5 Thoma 💀

[open shore]

my c6 thoma getting that abyss12 action now lol

[dense atlas]

is the train guy bad?

[open shore]

the who

[dense atlas]

Thoma(s)

[open shore]

he's niche

very niche

as in, c6 is good for hu tao

and that's about it

lol

[oblique pelican]

In short, trash

[dense atlas]

huh

[bleak river]

for now

he might have some usage in burgeon teams

[dense atlas]

well isn't dendro going to affect him?

[oblique pelican]

Keep coping

[open shore]

omg new reactions to rmbr x.x

my brain too smooth

why they bolly me

[bleak river]

I'm following the words of a TC

so

not quite coping

[oblique pelican]

Mild cope

[bleak river]

yes

[open shore]

me, coping with thoma on 4NO for hu tao, who has horrible base attack

[bleak river]

but he'll be built with triple em

[open shore]

lol

[bleak river]

so have fun getting em pieces :)

[open shore]

NO DNW

[oblique pelican]

Triple em Thoma 💀

[bleak river]

im not joking btw

[open shore]

i'm gunna be so sad if cyno needs em on a full 4pc set like NONONONONONO

[bleak river]

cyno wont be i think...

[open shore]

what does burgeon do again?

[bleak river]

seed plus pyro = dendro explosion

[open shore]

🤷‍♀️who knows what nonsense mhy will make

[dense atlas]

so Heizou, Fishl, Mona and Beidou as regular team, and
this: (one half ningguang/gorou/itto, one half fischl/beidou/barbara/heizou)
for abyss, thx
but why first half just 3 dudes?

[open shore]

hei, fish, mona, beidou is likely gunna be better than with barb.....

[bleak river]

ye...

[open shore]

stick prot amber on her, don't need healer

[bleak river]

just dodge 5head

[open shore]

that too

[dense atlas]

i can dodge, it's when i don't when the problem comes

[bleak river]

as for first half, bring a shielder (preferably) or a crystallise-able element

[oblique pelican]

You can also ... i-frame

[dense atlas]

could bring Barbara since im changing it from team 2

also Rip my inexistent xp

[bleak river]

nonexistent

[dense atlas]

Sorry, English is not my first language

[oblique pelican]

In existence

optimistic

[dense atlas]

i don't tho, why you think Fishl is lvl 75?

[oblique pelican]

?

[dense atlas]

ye

also that

but more i have also been building mona

[open shore]

farm ley lines

or swipe lol

[dense atlas]

swipe?

[open shore]

use real life money

[dense atlas]

also I can't farm ley lines, I'm still tryng to get my EM VV for heizou

[dense atlas]

uh, no lol xd

[open shore]

Character and talent levels should always take priority over artifacts

[bleak river]

and he needs to be lvl 90 XD

[dense atlas]

k, that's ACTUALLY good to know

[open shore]

Taking one week to level characters will boost your account more than one week of artifact farming

[bleak river]

eh char lvl until like 70 or 80, then weapons/talents, then artifacts

[open shore]

Weapons before artifacts too

[dense atlas]

of course I'm not gonna lvl90 them yet

[open shore]

Literally everything before artifacts

And most characters don't need 90

[bleak river]

most

[dense atlas]

does heizou need lvl90?

[open shore]

Attack scaling characters don't need 90

Heizou would be boosted by 90 Yes, if you build him for swirl

For raw anemo dmg, no

[dense atlas]

I am

[bleak river]

basically only the hp and def scaling chars, as well as pure reaction dmg chars need lvl 90

[dense atlas]

i have to farm ruin serpent tho

[open shore]

And also for simping needs lol

[dense atlas]

and get those damn bugs

[bleak river]

simping doesnt require lvl 90 XD

[oblique pelican]

3× 👑

[dense atlas]

i got like 4 of those

[bleak river]

80/90 is enough for triple crown

[dense atlas]

what are the crowns even used for? talents?

[open shore]

You are wrong. 🤗

Are you really simping if not 90 😂

[bleak river]

idk i've never simped for a char

[open shore]

Exactly

[open shore]

They are for the final level up of talents (lvl 10)

Typically you don't need a talent at 10 unless you REALLY love them

[dense atlas]

so after the weekly boss drop talent lvl up?

would heizu be good with lvl10 talents tho?

[bleak river]

heizou with em build doesnt need talent levels

[open shore]

At the same time. Level 10 requires books, standard enemy drops, weekly boss drops, and a crown

[bleak river]

sure, they help his dmg, but not by that much

[open shore]

No but he's significantly better with talents cus he actually deals good raw dmg

[bleak river]

so level his e

gotcha

[dense atlas]

dmg good, here ends my knowledge

[open shore]

Both his e and q are pretty nukey

[bleak river]

q less so

[open shore]

Ya

[bleak river]

but we can agree that his NA numbers suck

[bronze flame]

mono geo is 3 geo and a flexible slot, you can put anyone in there. a healer or an energy provider

[bleak river]

or a shielder

[open shore]

They do but he's fun so why not 🤭

[dense atlas]

again, rip my nonexistent exp

[oblique pelican]

Extreme simping

[bleak river]

get some xp

[dense atlas]

i have gorou like, at level 17

[open shore]

Extreme simping Childe version is lvl 10 autos lol

[bronze flame]

if you use noelle or itto, he's very worth building, at least to ascension 4

[bleak river]

extreme would be C6 R5 :)
but ye

[open shore]

Me, I'm extreme Childe simping

[open shore]

That's whale simping lol

[bleak river]

hence "extreme"

[bronze flame]

childe is narwhal simping

[open shore]

Nice

[bleak river]

nice one

[sacred prism]

geo team could run okay- but there’s a few i’d make

[dense atlas]

years later lmao

[sacred prism]

lmao yeah i went back to last chat i saw

[open shore]

Itto geo 💪💪💪

[bleak river]

welp gn

[open shore]

Gn

[dense atlas]

i got heizou, fishl, mona and beidou

[sacred prism]

kinda copium imo

but it’ll be fun to play

[sacred prism]

floor 7 broke me- then 8 and 9 was easy

[bronze flame]

it's definitely less optimal than sucrose & xingqiu, but taser is pretty flexible

[dense atlas]

oh god im in danger XD

i barely got 8 stars in floor 6

[bronze flame]

my ideal version is fischl/beidou/kokomi/kazuha

[sacred prism]

7 was when i i first struggled- good luck

[dense atlas]

Pain

[open shore]

Take abyss slow, it gets easier when you actually work on characters

[oblique pelican]

Also, when rnjesus shows mercy on you^

[open shore]

When

[dense atlas]

i hate the domain to farm thunderstuff, f**king cryo abyss mages

how do they do so much damage?

[open shore]

Again, build characters lol

Artifact domains have lvl 90 enemies and will bully your babies

[dense atlas]

lvl80 abyss mages bully my babies

[oblique pelican]

On copium arts, someday....

[open shore]

I fear no teyvat archons, I fear the rng archon

[dense atlas]

rng archon is rnjesus

[rustic plank]

If your character is weak, you can try abusing abyss buff

My ar 34 chara can clear up to floor 9 last time, though only 1 star

The abyss buff at the time is the NA mark give damage, tony to last time also show how he clear abyss 12 full star with 0 artifacts

[visual osprey]

o yea the true dmg

that was busted

[open shore]

what

[rustic plank]

Yea, lemme look for the video lol, its either his video or someone's else video submitted to him

[oblique pelican]

I trust you

[rustic plank]

https://youtu.be/vq9iYlrJlHg

Its not this video but the idea is there

[open shore]

jfc

I don't even really bother with the abyss buffs lmfao

brain? no

just button mash

[oblique pelican]

It isn't full star tho XD
It's full clear

[open shore]

oh pff okay I thought it was 9 stars with no artifacts and was just ????????????????

[rustic plank]

The other one is using venti iirc

Well cant seem to find it, maybe i misremembered, my apologies

[unkempt oriole]

With enough investment u can solo clear abyss f12 chamber 1s with venti only

[open shore]

why solo clear with stress when you can dip out after 5 mins

[humble pecan]

Is there an artifact scanner for genshin optimizer on mobile?

All the ones im seeing are for pc 🧍‍♂️

[unkempt oriole]

nope

scanning on mobile require extensive permission

meaning jailbreak or something similar

its kinda hard to do nowadays

[open shore]

Save all your mobile screenshots and open them on PC

[visual osprey]

if u have a bunch of artifacts the initial import takes a lot of work

but its not much work to keep up after that

i only get an upgrade like once a month

so i just manually paste in a screenshot whenever that happne

[open shore]

Me at ar59 who has never imported a single artifact to that optimizer 😱😱😱 it's why I shall continue to not use it lol found out about it too late 🤷

[bronze flame]

are you on PS/mobile, not PC?

[open shore]

Ye

No irl mora for gud computer

I only have a surface 4 which is waaaaayyy too old to handle genshin

[bronze flame]

yeah, can't imagine hand-inputting all my artifacts at this point

especially when i'm gonna strongbox all of them in a week

[open shore]

I don't meta anyway, so I don't need to optimize, I just go with my gut 🤷

[visual osprey]

well u only input the ones u actually use

which is probably less than 200

[open shore]

You think I have time to manually put in more than 10 artifacts

[visual osprey]

i hav around 180 leveled artifacts and i think i probably hav more than avg

[open shore]

And in all likelihood I probably actually have more than 200 at 20+ lol

[visual osprey]

gee ok

[open shore]

My artifacts storage is at 800+ and most are 5*

Like obviously not leveled but lol no thanks I'd rather quit playing than manually input 😂😂😂

[visual osprey]

optimizer can probly help u squeeze a bit more out of what u have but yea maybe not worth the effort

optimizer is relly good for tc when u dont wanna try it out tho

i can just optimize a hutao with team that i have

even though i dont have a hutao

i can get a really good idea of what my hutao would look like

[open shore]

I just look at the artifacts and say yeah that's good

Or nah

And carry on look

Lol*

[visual osprey]

and an extremely close number to what her dmg would b if i had hutao

[open shore]

Lol nah I don't even have a standard way of dmg testing anyway, I just change an artifact, if it feels better I keep it, if not I revert

[visual osprey]

i dont think iv seen optimizer be off any more than 2 digits (with the correct input)

if u hav a friend with pc u might b able to ask them to scan ur account for u

but thats asking a lot of trust tho

i understan if u dont wanna do it

[open shore]

Nope do not care enough to bother, why would I bother a friend 😂😂😂

[bleak river]

God I used to manual input my artifacts
Well I now manually input the new ones

[open shore]

Lmfao nothing changed

Suffering is life's only constant

[visual osprey]

pasting one screenshot a month really isnt much effort lol

in fact i lov doing it

what i dont love is half the times where after i do it my optimizer results dont actually change

[bronze flame]

Lol same. I think you have to have a lot of fully leveled unused artifacts to choose from before it's really helpful

[visual osprey]

ye

[grand kestrel]

like I'm ever going to keep a fully leveled artifact unused. If it's not valuable for anyone it gets rolled into the next arti.

I mean unless it's a miraculous unicorn that I just don't happen to have anyone it would be useful on, but like I'd ever get one of those. 😛

[wise oak]

tfw u dont have time to finished the last chamber on floor 12 😢

[fickle ingot]

im perpetually stuck at like

floor 10

chamber 1

[humble pecan]

10-1 is easy, 10-3 is hard

Hard to 3* at least

[bleak river]

Meanwhile people who've played for quite a while: floors 9-11 is a chore

[oblique pelican]

Freemogems

[round hinge]

Hello could someone tell me which of these two artifacts is the best for yanfei please ?
Both are crimson witch btw

[river ore]

@round hinge has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[round hinge]

got elemental mastery in 4th on the second artifact

[ocean ember]

You need to level them up first. No idea what the main stat of the first one is, but if it's EM, it might be better than the second one if it rolls decently. The second one is pretty meh, would only be worth considering if you have no alternative and it rolls mostly into EM.

[unkempt oriole]

first one prolly hp

[ocean ember]

Oh makes sense, seems like French, and while I don't know French, it's somewhat similar to Spanish and I guess HP is PV (puntos de vida, literally health points in Spanish) in Spanish xD

In that case the second one is better, but I'd just advice to farm more

[sacred prism]

it depends how they roll- if the first aritfacts mainstat Elemental Mastery, that is worth levelling depending on the team you’re playing her in.
the substats are better on that one too. the atk mainstat has kinda copium sub stats.

unless the second one rolls all into ER and a good 4th sub stat. personally, i’d lvl it to 4 and see what happens

[ocean ember]

They already mentioned it rolled EM

But considering the first one is 99% likely to be HP

[sacred prism]

thx didn’t see that msg

[ocean ember]

It's still better

[sacred prism]

i say farm more

depends on team she’s in

[ocean ember]

Tankfei doesn't want CW nor HP sands

She prefers ER sands

And Tankfei is the only possible reason why you would consider HP sands

[sacred prism]

an ER or EM sands is usually good on her, EM is team dependent

[ocean ember]

That is 99% an HP sands

[sacred prism]

ik

i’m suggesting they farm more

[ocean ember]

I already mentioned that if it's EM sands it's better, but that's most likely an HP ones

[sacred prism]

for an em sands -

cause overload and vape/melt yanfei is decent

[ocean ember]

I mean, I already said to farm more as well xD But yeah, the way you put the messages seemed like you said "depends on the team she's in" regarding the HP sands

And ik, I run overvape Yanfei myself

She barely never wants ER sands though

It's ATK or EM

[sacred prism]

haha not what i meant apologies

[ocean ember]

ER sands is just not worth it

[sacred prism]

true because her burst goes unused most of the time, she’s best ran with skill and CA

[ocean ember]

Not unused, but it's not worth it to prioritise ER over offensive. You'll just burst every other rotation.

[ocean ember]

And no worries!

[round hinge]

okay thanks 👍

[modern raven]

is 4pc Emblem good for mona?

[unkempt oriole]

should be one of the recommended set for burst rotation

[vagrant moth]

how does R1 Serpent Spine compare to max refine Whiteblind for Noelle purposes?

[oblique pelican]

It's slightly better. 3-5% iirc

[vagrant moth]

ah OK

Noelle will grow stronger

[oblique pelican]

WB→ R1: 100%
R5: 108%
SS→R1: 115%
R5: 125%

~KQM

[vagrant moth]

nice

[bronze flame]

at least we get a new version next cycle

[oblique pelican]

Mushroom Mayhem

[grand kestrel]

mushboom

[gritty tusk]

C5 Chongyun Reverse Melt & C4 Yanfei Vape Double Geo | Spiral Abyss 2.8 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwn87fzICxM

[pulsar falcon]

I have Xiao, Itto, Ayaka, bárbara, bennet, Kazuelas, xiangling and Xinchiu, how should I set up for Abyss floor 12?

[ocean ember]

Kazuelas XD

Well, it's honestly tough with that line up

You could do national with Kazuha but the other half would be scuffed if that's everything you have

[oblique pelican]

Kazuhaless

[visual osprey]

lol i guess u can dosome weir freeze team with ayaka barbara kazuha

would probably do ok on second half

benet xiangling xingqiu is defintly enough for first half

so maybe slot xiao in first half bcos those r all off field

and put a cryo battery with ayaka on second half

[open shore]

If you have itto, it's likely they have gorou, and def have geo traveller, could unga Bunga maybe

[pulsar falcon]

Well, I got fvcked. XD

[river ore]

@pulsar falcon has leveled up to LEVEL 2

[pulsar falcon]

Can't beat floor 12 with stars but I want the goal. Xd

[open shore]

oh, itto without gorou? many sad

[pulsar falcon]

I have Gorou

But lvl 20 lol

[open shore]

itto's bestie tho

like he's functional without gorou, but much better with him

[open shore]

If it works, it works 💪

[pulsar falcon]

Can't beat 12-3 because of Fatuis

Xiao dies in the air lol

[visual osprey]

u need to cc them and never let go

if they become not ccd they'll wreck u

[open shore]

Throw ushi to taunt

[visual osprey]

that doesnt matter theyr aoe

for xiao u need to first go to one side and knock them close to eachother

then keep plunging so that they both get knocked in the same direction

dont give them time to put up their shield, always keep them staggered

[open shore]

At least Xiao ult staggers easily

[visual osprey]

ignore the lady she aint worth ur time until the fatties r dead

[open shore]

Yr

Ye

[pulsar falcon]

Well, more reasons to pull for Zhongli

[open shore]

The cryo guys do way too much dmg it's super annoying

Zhongli is very good for xiao

[pulsar falcon]

Super annoying?
https://c.tenor.com/gK32v_OWs0kAAAAM/omg-cat.gif

[visual osprey]

zhongli doesnt help here lol

[open shore]

Helps Xiao not die while plunging

[visual osprey]

he cant stop u from being frozen

[pulsar falcon]

I couldn't clear 12-3 because of it. I wanted the goal. Lol

[visual osprey]

and once ur frozen ur dead regardless of zhongli

[open shore]

Cus if he can't stagger initially, he'll die

You can get frozen with a shield and survive tho

[visual osprey]

maybe barely, but most of the time pretty sure u jus die

[open shore]

Also, kazuha skill can stagger if timed right

[visual osprey]

they do stupid dmg

[pulsar falcon]

The 10mins gone just in first half

[visual osprey]

staggering them is way more important than having shield

[open shore]

Yeah dodge and stagger is best so you can go in and kill

(I don't have dongli, I just always assumed his shield was super tanky 🤷)

Benny ult can also stagger them

[pulsar falcon]

Xiao only deal 25-40k dmg with bennet or bárbara

But I don't have bennet c1

[open shore]

That's fine, you just gotta survive enough to do that dmg

[pulsar falcon]

77 wishes now and no bennet

[visual osprey]

bro just buy him on the shop

[open shore]

Bennett is in the shop too

[visual osprey]

dont ever roll for 4 stars
(unless whale)

[open shore]

I think he's September

[pulsar falcon]

Next month then

Btw, should I pull noelle? Just c4

[open shore]

Tbh I would actually switch Benny and barb in those teams 🤔

[pulsar falcon]

🤔

[visual osprey]

make ayaka unable to freeze and rip bennet away from xiangling??

interesting switch but sure

[pulsar falcon]

I'm good in Open world but in Abyss, i'm in 4. 😂🤦🏻‍♀️

[visual osprey]

(pretty sure 4bliz is actually worth more than bennet)

free 80cv is no joke

[pulsar falcon]

🤔

[modern raven]

em kazuha :DD

[bleak river]

We all know we'll get sick of it really quickly

[open shore]

That's what I mean? Why isn't Benny with xl and barb with Ayaka freeze?

[visual osprey]

oops i though u wer talking about thi

[open shore]

orz I was just looking at the screenshot lol

My first thought was why isn't Benny with both xiangling and xiao

[wise oak]

which build should i use?

[oblique pelican]

This one

[bleak river]

Too much CR for bs XD

[wise oak]

aaa why i have sm crit rate

[oblique pelican]

Simple, you don't play him in a freeze team. And instead play him in a mono Cryo team

[wise oak]

truee

i should get shenhe for that

diona shenhe kaeya chongyun

[bleak river]

If I had that feather mannn

[wise oak]

i was playing bro and it got those rolls 😭

it only happens with double def i swear

[bleak river]

I wish I had more cr on my ayaka so I could run cd circ instead

But alas

[vagrant moth]

Does anyone use Inventory Kamera for genshin optimizer

Is it safe

[bleak river]

No bad experiences thus far

[bronze flame]

i do, it's safe, all it is is an automated screenshot tool that simulates clicks. genshin has no idea it's running, any more than it knows if you're streaming

[vagrant moth]

i'm not worried about genshin knowing if I'm using it, I'm worried about it fishing for data while it's taking screenshots