🧂・salt

[open pasture]

To note this is for Venti, who is a 5* (as we're talking about Sayu, which will have even less damage coming from A/D/C)

[plucky beacon]

No you are wrong, sucrose echarge team is strong because she crits

[lavish parcel]

20% in the total damage

[calm pagoda]

20% isnt nothing

that's decently significant

[lavish parcel]

not saying nothing, but swirl can't crit

[open pasture]

Crit ain't everything mate

[plucky beacon]

"crit kazuha does more dmg than em kazuha"

[calm pagoda]

looks at hyperbloom

[open pasture]

Hyperbloom is probably the strongest team archetype rn

[calm pagoda]

hahahaha

[open pasture]

And it can't crit

[lavish parcel]

utility chars focus on their supportive features, not damage output

[calm pagoda]

(unless nahida C2, but we don't talk about that)

[neat kindle]

swirl is independent of ur char stats

the lower ur base stats

i.e. 4*

the more beneficial swirl is

because all ti scales on is lvl and em

??

[open pasture]

Idk where you got that number, but I highly, highly doubt there's any case or situation at all where you want to build A/D/C on Sucrose over triple EM xD

[static depot]

well regardless it’s like i said earlier. my sayu is mostly built the way she is because those were the only vv pieces i could get (because i literally just found out how strongboxes really work and wasted a bunch of 5 star artifacts for them 💀)

[neat kindle]

look i'm gonna stop engaging with this guy

y'all can contineu

[calm pagoda]

you were engaging with him?

[plucky beacon]

Lol I mean, I warned

[open pasture]

Ye ye it's fine x'D Wasn't at you anyways

[static depot]

but

[lavish parcel]

I never said you should build ADC sucrose, did I?
I just said, em is something good for supports, but its potential is just not that high

[static depot]

i do wanna maximize my sayu’s potential i think she’s so cool

[plucky beacon]

I pray your future strongbox rolls are good to make up for this 💀💀

I think there's some vid about em sayu with a soup team, but she has to roll in the opposite direction of xiangling's pyronado or something

[static depot]

OMG YOU GOT ENGAGED? Congratulations 🥲🥳

[open pasture]

I take you've never heard of Sukokomon, but I'll leave it here xD you do you mate, just don't give wrong advice

[hazy badge]

He is like the captain of bad takes.

[lavish parcel]

you do realise his sayu is C5, don't you?

[static depot]

i like using sayu with raiden’s baleful omen, but now that i have yelan i use sayu less which feels bad but i’ll rebuild her eventually and use her more later

[calm pagoda]

okay hmm

[plucky beacon]

I use her in overworld to make up for not using in battle content

I love sayu

Best girl

[lavish parcel]

as if I dont use her? what a joke

[static depot]

beidou is one character that i feel like i wasted resources on 🧍‍♀️

[plucky beacon]

Beidou is underrated

(cackles wtf is that team)

[static depot]

i tried building mine when i was really new because people said she was my best character i had at the time but she underperformed so hard. i eventually changed to a ningguang main up until raiden’s banner rerun

[open pasture]

Yeah...? Her scalings are still bad so EM will generally always yield better damage. Not really worth it to build her on ATK even before C5 unless they really need the healing, but yeah. But again, That last comment was generally speaking, not specific to Sayu. But whatever, as I said, you do you. xD

[lavish parcel]

maybe ppl would still argue how important swirl damage is I guess

[calm pagoda]

look, 17% isnt insignificant

and she enables the rest to do more dmg

[plucky beacon]

Yeah she was prob recommended cus she's anemo but she sucks with crit which is prob why you thought she underperformed

[lavish parcel]

you need to realise, not all 17% damage from sucrose are swirl damage?

[calm pagoda]

most of it is

[static depot]

my team rn (collei for sumeru exploration)

[lavish parcel]

there are anemo damage too

[open pasture]

Well, I don't think Beidou is particularly good for early game tbf, but yeah, she's a pretty underrated unit

[static depot]

no i meant beidou

[open pasture]

Which is next to 0

[plucky beacon]

That's a not bad team even without sayu tbh

[neat kindle]

beidou needs a second electro batt

otherwise you're gonna have a bad time

[lavish parcel]

proof?

[slow summit]

@lavish parcel has leveled up to LEVEL 4

[static depot]

usually without collei i’ll put mona

[plucky beacon]

Ohhhhhh yeah, she needs a battery, and she dishes loads of dmg

[open pasture]

Low scalings, low base stats, you build her for EM unless you're somehow doing ADC Sucrose

[lavish parcel]

Raiden Q can't trigger Beidou's Q was what killed her kit

[plucky beacon]

Esp with constellations

[calm pagoda]

L take

[plucky beacon]

Pls fucking stop

[calm pagoda]

I don't care

L take

[plucky beacon]

Beidou is great

[open pasture]

Beidou doesn't depend on Raiden XD

[lavish parcel]

her skills basic damage is anemo, you know this?

[plucky beacon]

Bought to add a third block

[static depot]

this is my mona rn, i realllllllly like her build, but i wish she had more crit
i don’t care whatever her optimal is for support or whatever, i love dps mona

[calm pagoda]

hence why she does a lot of swirls

[open pasture]

Yes, which deal noodle damage because she should be built on EM

[plucky beacon]

Play what feels most fun tbh!

[calm pagoda]

crit kokomi exists

[plucky beacon]

If you like DPS Mona, play her 😤

[open pasture]

Mona is actually a pretty good nuke if built for it

[static depot]

dps mona is so fun

[calm pagoda]

vape mona is p good

[static depot]

mine has used her burst and done 100k before

[lavish parcel]

let's say you get her 1000 em, will her ratio increase from 17% to 70%?

[hazy badge]

I just run her on Noblesse tbh.

[plucky beacon]

Can I assume low ar tho? With those talent levels?

[static depot]

nope

i’m ar55

[calm pagoda]

she's competing with...let me say this...2 of the best 4*s

[open pasture]

Dude, I think you're mixing stuff up

That 17% is her damage on the team, which already assumes she's built on EM

[lavish parcel]

I already said swirl damage is not the biggest damage source

[open pasture]

You know, because her EM buff comes from her EM

[hazy badge]

I'm convinced he's just an AI that's been fed nothing but takes from Reddit at this point.

[open pasture]

Of that 17%, around 95% of her damage comes from swirl

[plucky beacon]

61 days active omg

[lavish parcel]

or you can calculate how much swirl damage Kazuha does in his team with Ben XL and XQ

[plucky beacon]

We have some fresh meat y'all

[calm pagoda]

so young

[lavish parcel]

data please

[static depot]

she just isnt a priority for talent farming rn, but i eventually wanna max her burst and regular attack

[open pasture]

Significant, plus his buff also scales from EM so you want EM on him to begin with

[plucky beacon]

Ye, lots of ppl do showcases with Mona burst

[open pasture]

Aight, so one swirl on one target on a full EM Sucrose is around 7k. One auto will be around 300.

[lavish parcel]

You're missing the point. I never said supports shouldn't build EM, I just said Swirl damage are not significant which are two different things

[static depot]

my progress used to be so much more impressive

[lavish parcel]

E and Q raw damage?

[open pasture]

Except it is pretty significant dude xD but you do you

[open pasture]

Should be around the same, maybe 1k if we're feeling generous

[plucky beacon]

A veritable baby. Please enjoy playing there's so much fun here if you do it right

[static depot]

i saw a mona burst showcase where she did 1.5m lol

[open pasture]

But I'm done with you, you do whatever you want just don't give bad advice

[lavish parcel]

yeah 17% of the whole source is significant.. maybe we have different interpretation of what this word means

[plucky beacon]

I recommend asking for build help here if you need!

[lavish parcel]

not to mention 17% are not all swirl

[calm pagoda]

hey freddie

[plucky beacon]

We are mostly helpful when you ask nicely

[open pasture]

Most of it is, unless you build adc Sucrose for whatever reason, but you do you mate xD

[lavish parcel]

I am doing a test now

[calm pagoda]

go to kqm and ask qns there

[static depot]

to be honest, i’ve just been trying to build characters by myself. i think i do okay enough

[plucky beacon]

That's part of the fun tbh

I learned a lot just reading a kit tbh

And just learning wtf crit even meant helped, and that's all I need

[calm pagoda]

playing your own way is fine

[lavish parcel]

if you think you are doing fine, you don't necessarily need to optimise just like artifact fodders

[open pasture]

Yeah, game ain't hard enough to force you to max optimise everything

[lavish parcel]

this is not even a hard core game

[hazy badge]

Playing your own way is fine, but don't give bad advice.

Ezpz

[plucky beacon]

I do not optimize or use rotations and clear endgame content. Genshin isn't hard, just time consuming

[lavish parcel]

I don't think he built his Sayu in a very wrong way

the difference of atk% and em on her is not the heaven and hell

and you guys made it as if so

[plucky beacon]

Damn, sure is a lot of blocked msgs

[calm pagoda]

hahaha

[lavish parcel]

to be fair, Sucrose can PULL mobs but sayu.. you consider it successful if her E or Q doesn't push mobs apart

[hazy badge]

Wow, actually blocking someone.

[plucky beacon]

Third one. I have had it.

[static depot]

i don’t know how wall of texty this is gonna look but these are my other built characters rn (except ningguang who i didnt have in my showcase for some reason)

[plucky beacon]

Self care

[static depot]

like

i know my raiden needs more… everything

[hazy badge]

You don't want to hear about Sucrose swirls or whatever this conversation is about?

[plucky beacon]

C2 RAIDEN AT 60 DAYS ACTIVE WHAT

[fast pike]

Not even 42CD

[static depot]

yelan performs pretty well imo, mine is great i love her

[static depot]

haha yeah funny thing

[calm pagoda]

💳

[static depot]

nope

[calm pagoda]

[lavish parcel]

I think you just need to balance CR and CD a bit, the ideal ratio is 1:2

[plucky beacon]

Yelan is phenomenal

[open pasture]

Your Raiden is pretty nicely balanced ngl

[lavish parcel]

his Raiden is fine

the rest have too much CR than CD

no ideal, but useable

[plucky beacon]

Ayo that's not even 30 who are you what have you done to chaos give him back

[static depot]

i was guaranteed and had to pick between raiden c1 and yelan

[lavish parcel]

very lucky of you

[fast pike]

Amber piece

[static depot]

and i went for raiden and got her c2 instead

[plucky beacon]

[open pasture]

Ofc can see upgrades, but she's pretty well balanced on that build. Decent ATK (specially for Catch), decent ER (a lot of people exaggerate how much ER she needs, but she really doesn't need that much unless she's on EL), decent crit ratio

[lavish parcel]

power wise, that was a solid investment

[calm pagoda]

wdym instead

[plucky beacon]

Sixty days for these stats wtf I'm jealous

Can't even get ONE piece in sixty days and this child has a full set 🥹

[open pasture]

Yeah, that's honestly a really good Raiden for the investment/time

[fast pike]

Nowadays I +20 any 4 line starter artifact with 1 CRIT sub and 2 other decent stats hoping for that 40+CD or 20+CR Piece

[lavish parcel]

C2 Raiden is 100% worth

[hazy badge]

[static depot]

this is my ningguang. i finally spent money on this battle pass so i could try for the weapon banner, but i’m still mostly f2p
but she was basically my first main and i dont wanna just not build her rn

[plucky beacon]

Do you have one of those yet

[calm pagoda]

C2 raiden is good but I don't see myself getting it

[open pasture]

Nice enough start, but def get her an ATK sands

Even if you lose the 2p

HP sands ain't doing nothing for her

[hazy badge]

Waiting for Chaos to link his Ningguang.

[plucky beacon]

Decent Ning, going forward gotta balance that crit tho

[fast pike]

Nope, just like a dozen 35CD pieces

[plucky beacon]

"just"

Puckyu

[plucky beacon]

My healer Ning on amber

[lavish parcel]

I mean it's fair as you dont even bother getting zl

[static depot]

i use ningguang in abyss mostly lately
while i do love her she’s a bit harder to use in combat than yelan and raiden

[calm pagoda]

who needs zhongli if you can survive anyway

[lavish parcel]

yes Ning is hard to use

[open pasture]

(I have my Ningg on TToDS and 4p Instructor's, from the time I had to run her as supp for Tao for a previous Wolflord abyss lmao)

[plucky beacon]

Yeah Ning can be kinda clunky

[lavish parcel]

brainless feels better..

[static depot]

but

pulling off her animation cancels is fun

lol

[open pasture]

C2 Raiden ain't that necessary, specially now that she's more frequently used for hyperbloom (at least on 36* runs xD)

[plucky beacon]

Ning on p amber for last updates wolf hell lol

[calm pagoda]

I like using my brain, thanks

[lavish parcel]

I mean you build her full em on that combo??

[calm pagoda]

go look at tao :P

[plucky beacon]

Wow you have one, what's that like

[lavish parcel]

it's already a different playstyle

[open pasture]

I like ZL but because he's basically irreplaceable on my melt Ganyu team and, while I could run Diona on my agg Keqing, for me ZL >> (plus I just like him as a char lmao)

[lavish parcel]

if raiden does the hyperbloom thing her C2 is kinda wasted

[plucky beacon]

Zl cheat code

[open pasture]

Indeed, but my point is C2 Raiden def ain't a must get con. It's good, but C0 Raiden (both for regular playstyle and hyperbloom), is more than enough

[lavish parcel]

you dont expect em raiden give you "defence reduction" big numbers

[calm pagoda]

sometimes I forget it exists tbh

[plucky beacon]

I share a single braincell with three others

[fast pike]

Ningguang is fine just needs a lot of investment

[plucky beacon]

We are all suffering

[plucky beacon]

SILENCE, WHALE

[hazy badge]

[lavish parcel]

I didn't say it was a must. but C2 is def worth it

[calm pagoda]

"me, myself and I"?

[lavish parcel]

C2 unlocks more possibilities

[static depot]

what i love about ningguang is that she is so good as a solo dps

[open pasture]

Worth it is subjective

You can even play hypercarry Raiden on C0 and do fine

[lavish parcel]

C2 Raiden can be your major damage source and is very easy to use

[calm pagoda]

C2 doesnt unlock more possibilities, just makes number bigger

[plucky beacon]

Lol no I'm in a private server and we are all just dumb as bricks, trying to make out in this cruel world

[lavish parcel]

it does. as you can actually nuke some bosses

[static depot]

when i got c2 raiden her burst increased by an average 20k at least. she never hits for less than 60k now unless she doesnt crit

[plucky beacon]

How are y'all still interacting your patience wow

[lavish parcel]

namely the boreas

[open pasture]

With enough investment, you can nuke most bosses on C0 as well, or finish them on one rotation

You can 100% nuke Boreas on C0

[calm pagoda]

imagine doing Boreas anymore

[open pasture]

Boreas doesn't have that huge of an HP pool

[kindred pumice]

At C2, even the non crit hits for 100k

[fast pike]

Less than an Eremite in 12-3-2

[lavish parcel]

that's the point of having C2 majorly

[open pasture]

Damn lmaoo

[plucky beacon]

FUCKING 12-3-2 EREMITES OMG

[calm pagoda]

so tanky

and they don't even group

[open pasture]

Yeah those are annoying af

[fast pike]

Plus summons HP pool it's the worst nightmare for single target DPS

[plucky beacon]

I finished with like 3s to spare I hate them

[calm pagoda]

they have like infinite CC resistance I swear

[lavish parcel]

resin wise, the ratio is not bad. and you can have billets which are useful for niche uses or new players

[fast pike]

Only after killing their summons, before they have hyperarmor

[plucky beacon]

Tao had to do each individually rip

[open pasture]

I personally struggled more on 12-2, but that's because I ran Ayaka freeze (precisely for the eremites lmao)

[plucky beacon]

Just like kinky mango

[open pasture]

Sometimes feels like RNG movement with the Kenkis

[plucky beacon]

I struggled way less in 12-2 this time

[calm pagoda]

I don't kill the summons rly, that happens on accident

[plucky beacon]

Took one try

[calm pagoda]

you mean all the time

[lavish parcel]

she can still work, but may need a damage boost from teammates

[plucky beacon]

But I forgot how tanky eremites were

[fast pike]

Get fucked by enemy RNG

[calm pagoda]

ayaka worked fine

[open pasture]

She worked fine

I just struggled with enemy positioning

[lavish parcel]

I used her too

bring Kazuha?

[plucky beacon]

Anyway, tired of seeing blocked msgs, you guys have fun

Gn

[fast pike]

My Kaeya can get triple kenkis down no problem

[lavish parcel]

Kazuha long E and she Q them all? that was how I did it

[hazy badge]

Night.

[open pasture]

Pretty easy clear, had to redo a couple times due to positioning

[static depot]

my first 5 star was raiden though, which i like because she’s why i started playing the game, and i got mona who gave me guaranteed to get c2 raiden, so i like mona for a lot of reasons too. i pulled yelan because i think she’s pretty, and her performance is great. i also got tighnari with her, so i won the 50/50 and got guaranteed which i’m gonna use for dehya who i also think is really cool. Tighnari I like, I can’t wait for them to change his VA so i can actually use him

[lavish parcel]

you did use Kazuha haha

[open pasture]

Aka this

[lavish parcel]

wtf are you hired by mhy?

[calm pagoda]

https://youtu.be/afG07YWwovw

ayaka was fine even with shit enemy rng

[lavish parcel]

how many double 5* you have pulled??

[plucky beacon]

I did not need to see this salt on my way to bed wtf

Two raidens

[open pasture]

Last cycle with exact same lineup, one retry was F11 though due to Kazuha randomly dying to a plunge attack and me retrying out of habit (was F11-3 so I didn't really need to restart)

[plucky beacon]

And this

Wtf good fucking night I pretend I do not see this salt in my eyes

[lavish parcel]

it happens... sadly

[static depot]

only twice so far but i only have five five stars including traveler so….

basically like a third of my 5 star pulls have been doubles
i forgot about my weapons

[lavish parcel]

in my whole playing time (since Dec 2020?) I never had this

[static depot]

i’ve got staff of homa and wolf gravestone

[open pasture]

You're insanely lucky, hope you know it lmao

[lavish parcel]

he surely is very fortunate

[calm pagoda]

man has homa

but no tao

[static depot]

well it’s like i told my friend, i generally have pretty good luck in gacha games

[lavish parcel]

that was why I suspected if you were a mhy representative /kidding

[lavish parcel]

I have homa x3 still no tao

I just don't like her charged attack

[calm pagoda]

i do like her CA

[static depot]

i dont like her va

[calm pagoda]

which is why I play her

[lavish parcel]

I agree her CA is cute

[calm pagoda]

which va

[lavish parcel]

but I still hate her charged attack

[static depot]

english. she sounds so, idk

[calm pagoda]

then go to JP or sth

lol

[static depot]

for one character? no 🧍‍♀️

[calm pagoda]

fair

[lavish parcel]

I feel like every time I got homa, I was wishing for the other weapon

[calm pagoda]

wait a sec, how long have you been playing?

[static depot]

two months

[calm pagoda]

not you

[static depot]

oh

lol

[calm pagoda]

we know you've been playing for 61 days

[kindred pumice]

[static depot]

i wanted aqua but… i probably wont pull on another weapon banner unless it’s got engulfing or aqua, or nahida’s weapon maybe. there’s very few 5 star characters i care about rn

[open pasture]

I'll always be adverse to play Ayaka with Bennett

[calm pagoda]

same

[open pasture]

Specially with Kazuha

[calm pagoda]

(cuz my Bennett is C6)

[lavish parcel]

my C5 forever

[calm pagoda]

:P

[lavish parcel]

ignored that red dot

[calm pagoda]

I don't play Bennett with ayaka anyway

[lavish parcel]

just the order

[open pasture]

Yeah, Bennett just doesn't bring much to Ayaka anyways

(More likely to end up messing up with freeze aura)

[calm pagoda]

just the atk and healing

[open pasture]

Atk is good, but if you end up melting the enemy, they will take like half the hits of the burst most of the times xD

[lavish parcel]

if you ayaka E followed by Kazuha EQ then Ben Q XQ QEE back to Ayaka Q you still do increased cyro damage

[calm pagoda]

I have arguably her best team alr, and the point of freeze is to free up xiangling Bennett for the other side

[lavish parcel]

I used XL originally, but decided to try Ayaka again

like your last record will overwrite all previous runs

[calm pagoda]

ik

I'm not new

[lavish parcel]

if Kazuha's E pulls mobs together Ayaka's Q kills them all in 3-4 seconds

what element was infused doesn't really matter..

[calm pagoda]

it does

because enemies can walk out of the burst if they aren't frozen

[open pasture]

If they aren't rooted in place, they'll be pushed back

[lavish parcel]

your enemies died, and you're still concerned about "not the most optimised way"?

[lavish parcel]

they didnt in my run

[calm pagoda]

lucky you

[open pasture]

And unless they're pretty feeble enemies (to which I'd personally wouldn't invest her burst most of the times), they'll most likely survive the few hits they'll take from the burst

[lavish parcel]

I have XQ right

[hazy badge]

I can't help but laugh at this point.

[calm pagoda]

(it is kenki and the eremites tbf, so they have a lot of poise)

[open pasture]

Yep, not like you can freeze the kenkis anyways xD

[lavish parcel]

no

[calm pagoda]

and also tbf, his rotation wouldn't infuse pyro

[lavish parcel]

but you can use their long animation to face tank fatal damage

so no sudden death

[calm pagoda]

their animations aren't considered long, rather average

[lavish parcel]

ayaka's is not short

[calm pagoda]

long is like zhongli and nahida

2s is long

1s is average

[kindred pumice]

Ayato too

[calm pagoda]

or was it 1.5

[hazy badge]

They're good animations tho.

[lavish parcel]

I dont think hers is 1.0

highly doubt it

anyway, it's very easy to ayaka Q face tank thesekenis

[fast pike]

C0 Ayaka isn't that great anymore, I use keqing a lot more now since I finally have a TF set from strongboxing and with dendro keqing just does it all basically

[lavish parcel]

12-3-1B you won't want to use an electro

[open pasture]

I used both lmao

Keqing first half, Ayaka second

[lavish parcel]

unless you want to chase flowers

[open pasture]

What is this notation

F12

Chamber 3

First half or second half?

[fast pike]

This is my fastest clear setup on my account currently

[lavish parcel]

oh my bad should be 12-1B

[calm pagoda]

I used hbloom first ayaka second, Tao first hbloom second, rational first nilou second

[calm pagoda]

okay we call this 12-1-2

[fast pike]

Especially in 12-1-1 keqings short cooldowns and mobility outperform alhaitham and Cyno, since the enemies spawn individually

[lavish parcel]

I even used Fis

so using KQ is the same story

[calm pagoda]

not exactly

[fast pike]

You can just have a very fast rotation on keqing and she generates a huge ton of energy with double electro on TF

[calm pagoda]

mmmm

[lavish parcel]

I know I have her

[open pasture]

Personally I really enjoyed ZL/Nahida/Keqing/Fischl, not dependant on burst, doesn't even need to follow a rotation

[lavish parcel]

but in my team fis is acutally faster than kq

[fast pike]

I-framing stuff with that team is very easy, so I never die in 12-2 and got perfect 12/12 36 star clears on both resets of current abyss

[open pasture]

Been a while since I haven't had to care about energy each floor

[calm pagoda]

why not both

[open pasture]

Just very smooth team to play

[lavish parcel]

as I used my newly pulled Yelan lmao

[static depot]

i need two people to join me i’m at the end of the hadramaveth quest and i need to do the three chairs achievement lol

[calm pagoda]

I feel that Nahida xq yelan emraiden is a fun team

[calm pagoda]

so fast

[lavish parcel]

yes it is

[calm pagoda]

jfc

[lavish parcel]

I tried it

so brainless

[static depot]

it honestly doesnt take that long

[calm pagoda]

you just have a lot of time on your hands

[lavish parcel]

and I somehow still want to use 4* chars in the abyss - otherwise ppl would just say okay you used all meta 5* beat it

[calm pagoda]

it's very possible

[static depot]

i used to, but not lately

[calm pagoda]

it's been done long ago

sucrose taser and reverse melt, namely

[lavish parcel]

I believe there is still possibility to run full 4* teams but I'm too lazy to test

the recent abyss setups aren't as 4* friendly as previously

[hazy badge]

Idk if Chaos has done four star runs this cycle, but he has in the past.

[fast pike]

Any hyperbloom Team first half and sucrose national on second half

[calm pagoda]

there you go

[hazy badge]

Speak of the Devil.

[calm pagoda]

the rich devil

[lavish parcel]

I don't have a single Kuki😅

[fast pike]

Hyperbloom is just that strong and sucrose national is kinda broken

[lavish parcel]

it is

sadly I don't have kuki for that I even pulled her bis weapon

[fast pike]

Lisa hyperbloom can also do it, just a bit harder to build since ER is also needed and not just EM

[static depot]

i got kuki shinobu to c2 already lol she kept appearing randomly on raiden and yelan’s banners

[lavish parcel]

you see I have her bis weapon ready!! she's not coming🥹

[open pasture]

Kuki would want EM weapon on hyperbloom anyways

[lavish parcel]

I have C5 moonlight

but if you don't have this char, you just can't try it

[lavish parcel]

my Lisa is C3 and I got a full emblem on her can try it when I have time

[green cloak]

what do u think 👀

[lavish parcel]

perfect?

[fast pike]

At the end of the day any char can make it through abyss, some just need to be carried by broken supports while others just have great synergy even with low investment

[open pasture]

Lacking a bit of EM but looks fine

[lavish parcel]

blooms the current meta apparently

[calm pagoda]

jayci would be jealous

[calm pagoda]

@plucky beacon

[green cloak]

👀 ohh maybe if i get a better flower

[calm pagoda]

looks at dehya

[lavish parcel]

it matches the salty channel very well

[calm pagoda]

technically hbloom, but sure

[fast pike]

Hyperbloom is, nilou bloom isn't as garbage anymore with yaoyao being released but still lacks cc

[green cloak]

👀 hehe i cant wait to see jacki senpai reaction

[static depot]

low em? throw her away

[hazy badge]

Oof. That sands is tragic. Got low rolled on CR and CD.

[lavish parcel]

this is actually the recommended build for newbies

[green cloak]

my f2p ass finally giving some salt

[open pasture]

Flower is probs the easiest piece to upgrade there so yeah, but otherwise she's looking good yeah

[fast pike]

Well she is voiced by Amber what can you expect

[green cloak]

👀 yeah but atleast i got something

[lavish parcel]

and barbara uses a sarc book

easy reset of her E

[green cloak]

i got 280k 👀

[lavish parcel]

very salty

[static depot]

no 2m dmg? bad

[lavish parcel]

well done mate

[fast pike]

Level up talents to at least 8/8/8

[green cloak]

yeah even 1m not for my f2p ass

[green cloak]

👀 👍 yes i will

[lavish parcel]

dang I made my Yelan 10x3 already

somehow blue numbers are very satisfying

[green cloak]

i am lazy 👀

[lavish parcel]

you know some people farmed mats hard before a banner arrived

[fast pike]

I still remember when dendro first released and everyone was confused by green numbers, cause of healing being very similar

[green cloak]

yeah i am not one of them

i farm after i get them

[lavish parcel]

It's okay. I don't do daily fodder runs either

[green cloak]

[fast pike]

Trolling friends with bloom, telling them I'm healing you

[green cloak]

👀 he who use only benny as healer

and cat girl too

[lavish parcel]

aren't players take much reduced damage like 90%?

should ask their em Sucrose or Kazuha to try burning

[fast pike]

Yeah, but it's still funny

Best healer is still Jean

VV Shredd+ instant full party heal, also fall DMG abuse on humanoid enemies

[green cloak]

i also like burning

but burning is not fast so i also use shogun skill

[green cloak]

give her to me

👀

i still dont have her

@fast pike anything else beside talent

i need

[ember oasis]

says someone with homa

[hazy badge]

Her NA is her most important talent and you have it at level 2.

[green cloak]

👀

[lavish parcel]

very salty

[green cloak]

wait really👀

[hazy badge]

Yes.

[green cloak]

then i am gonna lv up it tmrw

[fast pike]

CRIT values and HP are fine, a bit more em would be nice

[green cloak]

[ember oasis]

i meant to say you are quite lucky for an f2p

mb

[green cloak]

i get more em when i get better flower u can see my flower is trash

[fast pike]

Yeah, definitely the weakest piece

[green cloak]

i dont get early 5* but i win my50/50

heheh

[ember oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-yapping-your-mouth-bunny-gif-24100597

[green cloak]

hu tao is my early 5* in a year

my 4* luck is also good @ember oasis hehehehe

[ember oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/who-asked-gif-24454154

on the other hand i am glad i can finally use these gifs

[kindred pumice]

Only 5 5*s in a year!?
That's like 1 character per 2m

[green cloak]

early

[ember oasis]

is that not normal?

[kindred pumice]

[green cloak]

no one but its salt 🧂

[open pasture]

Even for f2p that may be a bit low

Though if they play casually that'd make more sense

[ember oasis]

one patch as far as i know gives approximately 40 pulls, more or less

[green cloak]

i dont get early 5*😭

[ember oasis]

so 2 patches

[lavish parcel]

f2p can have dozens of 5* if they played daily and long enough

[green cloak]

i mean my early 5* in a year

[hazy badge]

[green cloak]

[lavish parcel]

and in theory, I mean in theory, they could have re-created dozens of new accounts to start with a 5*

[open pasture]

They meant you only have 5 5*s in a year

Regardless of the pity

[fast pike]

Enviosity has a huge amount of chars by now as an F2P

[ember oasis]

i agree but also disagree

[green cloak]

👀 ohh really

[green cloak]

hehe

[open pasture]

Aka getting only 5 5*s on a full year is a bit low even for a f2p, assuming average pity

Though not that low imo

[green cloak]

👀genshin just dont love me

wait i check how many i got this year

[lavish parcel]

now you switched your role from salting to being salty

[green cloak]

👀 yeah

[lavish parcel]

but unlucky heavy spenders can make you happy

[hazy badge]

I got 16 in a year just as a Welkin/BP buyer, but I also took off like two months-ish.

[lavish parcel]

I saw whales who literally lost their every pity on every banner

[ember oasis]

i think i have 17 if cons count after a year and half of playing

[lavish parcel]

and imagine the cases for unfortunately whales before the revamping of weapon banners lols

you could get 20x the same weapon previously

[open pasture]

There's the famous case of that one content creator that got like 13? WGs before he got a Homa

[green cloak]

anyway need to go cya guys

[lavish parcel]

extremely salty cases

[hazy badge]

Wasn't that Tectone?

[ember oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-gif-21483615

[open pasture]

Yeah that one

That one fact is basically all I know about him lmao

Constantly forget his name

[dull mango]

#🧂・salt

[open pasture]

That is indeed the channel we're in currently

[lavish parcel]

I saw some chinese streamers did that - a person had a deal with one of his audiences and he somehow managed to pull 1x jade swords

[hazy badge]

Eh. Just someone who likes to stir up drama for views.

[lavish parcel]

even the person had the intention for something, the RNG was still insane

[open pasture]

Damn xD

[lavish parcel]

I dont get why ppl who dont play this game say it is money grabbing but nowadays it's quite F2P friendly per its quality

just some storylines are questionable

[hazy badge]

Depends on your goals. If you're looking to 36 as fast as possible, it can be money hungry. If you're just looking to explore the overworld and screw around, it is very F2P friendly.

[lavish parcel]

if a person understands how elemental reactions work, beating the abyss can be durable in 1-2 weeks, esp in Nilou's banner period

she is an abyss killer

[fast pike]

Dendro has made this game extremely f2p friendly and if you don't pull on weapon banners you can basically get half the limited banner 5 stars C0 even with average luck

[lavish parcel]

exactly

pre dendro... you needed more luck than average

[fast pike]

If you get baited on weapon banner with fate points as an F2P wasting 200+ pulls that can screw you over for months, but that's the players own decision

[lavish parcel]

I consider Nahida's some stories salty

[hazy badge]

You need a bit longer than 1-2 weeks just for some usable artifacts.

[lavish parcel]

it depends. a person who has much spare time and follow video guides for resources, can make it in less than a week

but there is no need to rush like this really

[hazy badge]

Good exile and instructor sets can get you pretty far though.

[lavish parcel]

it's a PvE and single player game. You're only competing with yourself

[fast pike]

As a newer player I suggest camping in emblem domain when you hit AR45 and just strongbox VV till you have a 4pc and then whatever your DPS needs

At least if you wanna 36 star as fast as possible with a new account

[lavish parcel]

yes, emblem domain has the best value so far
and even someone doesn't really understand reactions, spamming E and Qs can still work in many occasions

[open pasture]

Unrelated to the current conversation but took me basically a month to finish this, while it took me around a year for the ones in Mondstadt lmao (Dear Daddy was the last achievement I needed from Mondstadt comms so I know I switched to Liyue right after). I'm not fully done with Liyue comms though, but yeah. xD

[calm pagoda]

I only just got one sumeru achievement tdy

[fast pike]

The events are also basically free, since they are scaled in a way that you can easily get all the rewards with the trial characters they provide

[lavish parcel]

enough ER means your rotation is much more smooth, so you chars wont stay still and do plain n attacks

[ember oasis]

the liyue one is a curse

[hazy badge]

It took me a year to get all of the Liyue comm achievements. lol

[open pasture]

I assume you've been on Sumeru since its release? Damn

[calm pagoda]

nope

since like 3.1 or 2

[open pasture]

Oh oh

Not thaat terrible then but yeah, oop

[calm pagoda]

I got the fortune one

[lavish parcel]

I was once an achievement chaser, till ubisoft educated me

[fast pike]

There is literally no pressure at all in the game except flexing DMG and builds on the internet, but that's your choice to be here on this discord looking at other people's stuff

[calm pagoda]

I got two sumeru roses instead of whopperflower

like why

[lavish parcel]

yep, if you play at your own pace, there is literally no pressure even you do the abyss

before I spent a bit, I wasn't even aware of the existence of the abyss

[slow summit]

@lavish parcel has leveled up to LEVEL 5

[hazy badge]

I'm just a competitive person in general, so I picked the wrong game to play. lmao

[open pasture]

Reminds me of me constantly getting Reliable Helper, like, constantly, but barely ever Tales of Winter x'D

[lavish parcel]

I tried the game in Sep 2020, but the abyss? after Dec 2020

[calm pagoda]

instead of that it's getting raining blades when you need wrath of haishan

[lavish parcel]

everyone said Venti was a bis and I didn't even spend a dime

[fast pike]

Getting 30 stars is quite easy and the difference to 36 stars in rewards is just 100 primos and a bit of mora, if it stresses you just take the 30 stars and call it a day, tryharding should only be done if you have fun doing it

[open pasture]

I've got the opposite lmao, still missing one Raining Blades but have like 3 copies of Haishan by now on EU

[calm pagoda]

I'm missing raining blades too

[lavish parcel]

I now majorly pay for QoLs

[calm pagoda]

and get geo diary instead

[open pasture]

I know the feeling x'D

[fast pike]

Well playing the game gets you to the starting line, then it's about who has the thicker wallet in this competition

[open pasture]

I suffered the most with Dear Daddy

[lavish parcel]

like I dont do daily mining so I buy BP every 40 days

[open pasture]

I would just never get the version with the hilichurls

Once I got the hilichurl version but got no letter

Then I found that if you set the time to between 10am and 12pm (iirc), it forces the hilichurl with letter version

[ember oasis]

i got 5 copies of wrath of haishan and rain of ringing blades (the second one) but only 2 copies of the first that i got recently

[hazy badge]

Oh absolutely. I just compare myself to other people who spend a similar amount to me rather than trying to compare myself to someone who is whaling. lmao

[open pasture]

Finally was able to leave Mondstadt commissions then xD

[lavish parcel]

I think compared with daily mining, I prefer spending $10

[hazy badge]

I wish Liyue books were still in the BP.

[lavish parcel]

mhy too lazy to let us freely choose what we want in bp

[open pasture]

I wish they'd just let us choose what kind of books ngl

[lavish parcel]

which has been a complaint for ages

[fast pike]

Yeah I'm drowning in Inazuma books by now

[lavish parcel]

how about an artifact set feature? dear lord we get it in 5.0 maybe?

[fast pike]

Or like convert them using dust of azoth

[hazy badge]

I had enough to crown Raiden and I've never set foot in that domain. lol

[lavish parcel]

I built all chars I play a set of artifacts as I dont want to swap

[fast pike]

While keeping the drop day correlation intact

[open pasture]

If you mean that they let us create like artefact "groups" to quickly equip and unequip, I've been asking for it in the surveys for like a year now lmao

[lavish parcel]

one button for a full set when?

and the stupid loading time of L...

they shortened it.. but didn't kill it

[hazy badge]

I don't think it will happen for awhile because they don't want you to get one absolutely broken set of something and then never run a domain again.

[open pasture]

I'm still salty about cooldowns not resetting in abyss when you reset and about chars not catching death particles when the floor is done XD

[lavish parcel]

I mean... it is actually a bit weird

I used Sayu for most of my domain runs for an apparent reason, and when she long Es towards the tree and restart the domain, sometimes her E is ready in the next time and sometimes it isn't

[fast pike]

Yeah, they actually make quite a bit of money from resin refreshes

[lavish parcel]

old domains sometimes don't reset the CD of E, but almost all new ones do

[fast pike]

And exp tomes and mora eventually stops being an issue once you hit AR60 and are caught up with the chars you wanna build and play

[hazy badge]

I'd be interested to see where their profits come from. I know that will never happen, but I'm curious as to how much they really make on resin refreshes.

[lavish parcel]

Yeah I found this too after AR60 - once I didn't even have mora to enhance artifacts

[fast pike]

Max resin refilling is like 300$ a month

[lavish parcel]

so there must be some weird logic per mhy's designers why your skills are not rest for some domains

[hazy badge]

The service is available, but the real question is how many players actually max refresh every day.

[lavish parcel]

there has been another argument about whether these archon statues should charge your Q to full or not

[fast pike]

Take 0.1% of 20 million players would be 6 million $ a month

[lavish parcel]

I read something like only 5% of players beat the abyss??

[open pasture]

Personally I haven't worried about mora or EXP books since around AR58, but yeah. xD Only recently on my main that I got a bunch of stuff in a short time, my almost 40M is down to around 20M and I went from 2k EXP books to around 1.2k x'D

[lavish parcel]

you definitely didn't get a bunch of new chars in a short time

[hazy badge]

I need mora, but that's because I plan on triple crowning Hu Tao. lmao

[open pasture]

Some, but also a couple of 5* weapons

[open pasture]

Yeah, this too xD I recently decided to crown some chars

Triple for Tao, one for Albedo, one for Nahida, one for ZL, one or two for Ayato (don't remember rn), are ones I recall

[lavish parcel]

cost wise, unless a char is scaling with defence/hp/em, getting them to level 90 is not worth compared with level 10 talents

[open pasture]

Also I do admit sometimes I forget that majority of playerbase is very casual, but that's honestly because most of the interaction I have is on servers (and specific channels on those servers xD) that do appeal more to non-casual players

[open pasture]

Level 10 talents are generally not worth it

[lavish parcel]

when you say Ayaka's Q is 5k

[open pasture]

It's more a thing of you liking the char

[lavish parcel]

I think they are better value than level 90

[hazy badge]

Transformative reactions like swirl, etc. also scale off of level. So depends.

[open pasture]

And nowadays level 90 is better also for chars like Fischl, even she scales on ATK, due to aggravate

[lavish parcel]

level 80 - 90 (apart from em/hp/defence chars of course) you can make a new level 70

[hazy badge]

Yeah. I'm only crowning the characters I really enjoy playing. Doesn't matter how meta they are. lol

[lavish parcel]

that was exactly why I included EM

EM = what you meant

[hazy badge]

Use your words then.

Because EM =/= reactions.

[lavish parcel]

swirl damage is greatly determined by em

wouldn't you agree

[open pasture]

Not necessary. 90 is good for a ton of chars now with dendro, but talent level 10 will barely make a difference for most chars. If we're talking about someone like Ayaka or Ganyu, none of the two options are really worth it, a crown only to show it's a char you like but dmg-wise, it's rather meh. xD

[hazy badge]

Swirl damage is also greatly impacted by level.

[lavish parcel]

em oriented chars benefit more from levels so that's why I said em chars

[hazy badge]

It scales off of level and EM. Both matter. lol

[open pasture]

Now though not only EM oriented chars though. Chars like Haitham, Tighnari, Keqing and Fischl benefit from level 90, but aren't pure EM chars

[lavish parcel]

em chars at level 90 means both are important?
apparently for example Ayaka is not an em oriented char

so pushing her to level 90 is kinda mech and there is no lower level disadvantage as some people assumed

level 100 mobs won't make your level 80 ascended chars' lives significantly harder and according to some test, only >20 levels make Venti etc. less effective

[open pasture]

Tbf, there is a slight damage reduction, but it's not too significant

But yeah, chars like Ayaka ain't worth levelling to 90

[lavish parcel]

can be ignored

[hazy badge]

I'm not saying to push Ayaka to 90. I'm saying it is beneficial to push characters who do transformative reactions to 90 because they scale off of them. Calling that elemental mastery isn't the same thing. Yes, the reactions use EM as a stat to increase them, but they are impacted by both EM and level.

[open pasture]

My own Ayaka, on my main, is level 90 because I got her very early in my Genshin "career" and I didn't know better lmao

[lavish parcel]

it is apparently that certain reactions such as swirl only get raw damage boost from em and level....

[open pasture]

Tbf, I don't think it's wrong to simplify it as EM-focused chars

I've done so myself in the past xD

[hazy badge]

[open pasture]

But saying transformative reaction focused chars is technically better, yeah, specially nowadays with dendro

[lavish parcel]

if some chars rely heavily on let's say swirl, it's fair to call them em chars

[open pasture]

Because now we have spread/aggravate chars that don't entirely focus on EM, but benefit from level 90 nonetheless

Though then again, I don't think spread and aggravate are called transformative

Iirc those are called additive

[hazy badge]

All I can say is use your words. The English language alone has hundreds of thousands of them. I'm sure there is a sentence out there that can adequately describe the message you're trying to send.

[lavish parcel]

they are not

[open pasture]

Yep, they are

https://library.keqingmains.com/combat-mechanics/damage/damage-formula#general-formula-for-damage#general-formula-for-damage

From here

[lavish parcel]

I mean they are not transformative but I seemed to quote the wrong sentence

[open pasture]

Ah lmao

Happens

[lavish parcel]

his patch to my em char wasn't complete

as you pointed out addictive is also part of the fact

[lavish parcel]

tbh, ZL can be seen as an HP char

[open pasture]

Well, he basically is (?)

[lavish parcel]

at at hutao or yelan's level of course

[calm pagoda]

y'all are still going

[open pasture]

Levelling him to 90 is also fine, though for a shieldbot 80 is usually enough

[fast pike]

What zhongli is not a DPS char I was planning on getting vortex vanquisher for him, how to crush my dreams

[lavish parcel]

yeah that's my point.. can work, not not necessary

[lavish parcel]

he can be

but ideally you want C2

[calm pagoda]

he's just not the best for dps

[lavish parcel]

C2 zl wastes you the least time

otherwise your E shield is damaged during your Q

[calm pagoda]

why would it be

you have iframes

[lavish parcel]

I heard this saying long time ago but I dont verify again

[urban storm]

parry function will be cool tho

[lavish parcel]

a saying is that iframes are for HP not the shield

[open pasture]

Tbf I'm not too sure about this. Not about having i-frames, but the shield being damaged. xD At the end of the day, chars still get corrosion and get elements applied to them while on i-frames, but I'm not sure if shields get damage or not.

[calm pagoda]

good point

[open pasture]

I'm salty about chars getting elements applied to them while on burst lmao

Specially Kazuha

[calm pagoda]

fr

or if we include iframes, cryo on tao

[open pasture]

Tbh also salty about corrosion but it's a less common scenario xD it was annoying last abyss line-up though

[lavish parcel]

rift wolves: 🫠

[open pasture]

Ah, reminds me of Yoi xD also salty about enemies applying elements through shields

I guess that makes more sense but still

[calm pagoda]

I rmb surviving riftwolves with a prototype amber and xq heals

[open pasture]

Cryo on Yoi (and Ayato, but I don't really run Ayato with a shield) feels awful

[open pasture]

Damn xD nice though

[calm pagoda]

it was when they were 12-1-1 iirc

[open pasture]

On my EU account I think I ended up running Diona + Koko at some point though I'm not entirely sure I did xD

[fast pike]

Beidou, Yunjin, Candace exist

[open pasture]

Ahhhh makes sense

Yeah, first abyss with wolves wasn't as bad

Or at least previous abysses than the last one

I remember doing Tao vs wolves

Did fine

Would be impossible at least for me on this last abyss xD

[calm pagoda]

https://youtu.be/d4_6o6g4NOU

yea Tao Vs wolves is not a fun time

[open pasture]

It's okay when it's less wolves and not on last chamber but yeah, def not a fun time on an abyss like last

Also, returning to salt

Asia account (I think I'm actually at 78 or higher but haven't updated it in a couple of days)

[lavish parcel]

anyway, as far as I heard, shields are not immune to Q's iframes

[calm pagoda]

that's sad

[lavish parcel]

that's why ppl claimed<C2 ZL as a dps is kinda wasting your time

[fast pike]

The corrosion effect being applied during burst animation from rifthounds also made my duo team clear quite challenging with Raiden/kazuha on second half

[lavish parcel]

you may have to reuse your E after your Q

from the business view, it is understandable

thus they lore you to pull for C2 ZL

[open pasture]

I wouldn't even dared doing that chamber with no healing myself xD but nice you still did it though

Pretty impressive

[lavish parcel]

they made inazuma very salty for Venti mains, right?

and they altered some mobs eventually

[fast pike]

Thanks, I would say it was harder than triple kenkis with Raiden/kazuha

[lavish parcel]

they have been trying to kill ZL's cheatingcodes many times

[open pasture]

Can imagine, corrosion on i frames is awful xD

[lavish parcel]

rift wolves are one of these

mhy's designers are salty lol

[calm pagoda]

I find triple kenki annoying because I don't like to hang back lol

[lavish parcel]

perma frozen is the best for them I think

[calm pagoda]

you can't freeze them

[lavish parcel]

if you dont take damage, you dont worry about debuffs

[calm pagoda]

unless you're talking about the wolves

[fast pike]

Funnily zhongli as physical main DPS with R5 crescent pike and yunjin is quite good on bosses

[calm pagoda]

then yes

[lavish parcel]

oh you changed the topic

thought still on wolves

[calm pagoda]

are you that bored?

[lavish parcel]

kenki - ZL then

[fast pike]

His kick hits 4 times and they all proc the passive and yunjins bonus, if it was earlier in his combo then it would almost be meta

[calm pagoda]

now you can add Mika to the team

[lavish parcel]

consider adding yelan too?

[calm pagoda]

[lavish parcel]

yelan boosts dmg as well come on

[calm pagoda]

elemental dmg

I think?

[lavish parcel]

all damage I think?

[calm pagoda]

or was it "common dmg"

[fast pike]

Watched a German streamer do it she's a theorycarfter and huge zhongli simp, melted the jadeplume terroshroom in 12-3-2 a few resets ago with zhongli, fischl, qiqi, Yunjin in like 2 rotations in 35s

[calm pagoda]

damn

I manage it with 2 rotations for my meta teams too

😭

wtf

[lavish parcel]

it says dmg not specific dmg

[calm pagoda]

ig it is all then

[lavish parcel]

I mean itto teams also consider her the best 4th

she does more than albedo

[fast pike]

She's basically putting Mona on the street

Get xingqiu DPS plus mona DMG buff

[lavish parcel]

The physical damage set??

[lavish parcel]

Kokomi also does this to mona..

[fast pike]

I think it was 4pc shimenawa

Burst is a waste of time with physical goblet anyway

[lavish parcel]

When will hy release an ice mage plz

[calm pagoda]

shim makes sense

[fast pike]

One of the cursed builds of all time

[lavish parcel]

I see you are a big number chaser

[lavish parcel]

if these atk% are ER, the build would be better?

[calm pagoda]

ofc it's chaos who has the cryo itto

[lavish parcel]

oh ice fused

[fast pike]

Lol, didn't even see the cryo goblet

[atomic junco]

I totally understand what's going on and I'll continue to marvel at people who can do these things.

[lavish parcel]

nope

bennett?

[fast pike]

Shenhe is better in this situation

[lavish parcel]

C0 enough?

[fast pike]

For a short joke video yeah, if you wanna seriously play everything as cryo DPS then C6

[lavish parcel]

I like Shenhe's kit, but making her a cryo support feels salty to me

I fear if players took the bait of Shenhe as a cryo support, then other 5* supports for one specific element will come from nowhere

[fast pike]

C0 shenhe is good for cryo quickswap teams where everyone unloads their stacks in a short amount of time like triple cryo rosaria, chongyun, Shenhe, jean

[lavish parcel]

Shenhe also potentially makes new cryo chars esp 5* ones have a power cap I believe

[fast pike]

https://youtu.be/rWc8RUpQtn0

Quite a long time ago, but that's how it works with C0 shenhe

[fast pike]

Honestly since dendro released cryo isn't really that good anymore, ganyu burning melt kinda works, but Ayaka really fell off especially compared to a C0 Alhaitham

[lavish parcel]

hmmm.. time is a bit tight from 09:00 to 07:53. ideally you want it done before 08:30

[fast pike]

Lol, that is second half

[lavish parcel]

why was the time from 09:00? isn't 2nd starting with the remaining time of 1st

[fast pike]

Maffs

[lavish parcel]

I saw 09:00 and assumed it was -1

[fast pike]

It starts at 10:00 have you ever done abyss 12

[lavish parcel]

wtf somehow I had an impression of 09:00 from nowhere ]

I need more coffee

[lavish parcel]

depends on mobs really.. her burst is still higher than Al

[fast pike]

Don't worry about it I still meet people who can't tell the time on a mechanical clock ⌚

[fast pike]

Flexibility and access to more and better reactions give him the advantage, you can either use his burst with 3 mirrors for a huge front loaded burst or burst without mirrors and just Shredd stuff in a big AOE for 12s with 3 mirrors up

Bloom, spread, hyperbloom all works with Alhaitham and what I especially like about him is the mirror mechanic cause it makes you really feel like consciously playing the game and considering the situation instead of just buttonmashing like ayato/yoimiya playstyle

[lavish parcel]

but 18s CD E is pretty long

[fast pike]

There is a lot of depth in playing Alhaitham, the 18s CD is not really affecting his dendro infusion uptime too much if you know what you're doing

Just like how there is a short delay between his burst and the mirrors being created, that leaves just enough time to swap and use a skill or burst on another char and back to ayato to catch the mirrors

Initially I was also quite sceptical about his kit, but the more you play him and learn about his combos the bigger the satisfaction when you finally master him

[lavish parcel]

the simplified Q fuse is what makes me like noe

[lavish parcel]

I understand that part, but I always get supports first

[fast pike]

For a C0 DPS I think Alhaitham is the new gold standard, most other DPS are a lot more restricted in their teams like Xiao or want C1R1 like hu tao to be relevant in current meta.

Ayato is also very good, but mostly cause he got lucky being Hydro

[fast pike]

If you're new and want the best value getting the Archons is the easiest path to success for your account, nahida, Raiden, zhongli and "Kazuha"

[lavish parcel]

I'm not new that was why I skipped him esp when Ayaka is so easy to use

[lavish parcel]

yeah my Xiao is benched

his anemo 4* sup wasn't even on his banner

[open pasture]

Tbf, Faruzan ain't that great for him to begin with

You're basically forced to run 3 anemo, because he still needs a battery

CC and the buffing is good ofc, but yeah xD

[lavish parcel]

as you said, too much effort to make him viable

there is also a new set for him... but I don't want to use resin on it

[calm pagoda]

I might wanna get ganyu purely for triple cryo reasons

and maybe a melt ganyu :P

[lavish parcel]

ganyu can be an off carry at least.. xiao cant

emblem ganyu can work😂

[lavish parcel]

only the abyss can fulfil your wish. open world mobs mostly died before she can melt anything futher

[calm pagoda]

yea I know that much

bosses die before my rotation finishes in overworld

[lavish parcel]

there aren't many good chars for burning

[calm pagoda]

nahida

[lavish parcel]

you will need shield for her

[fast pike]

https://youtu.be/P4BonxO4Qyc

[lavish parcel]

so easy to be interrupted

[calm pagoda]

Bennett

[fast pike]

Burning melt ganyu works

[calm pagoda]

shield is nice, for sure

[calm pagoda]

it's been known for a while now

[fast pike]

Easy Wolflord skip

[calm pagoda]

XD

man I could one phase wolflord but couldn't one rotation the consecrated beasts

so sad

[lavish parcel]

like the video you posted, Jean+Shen+Cy+ros can 100% work, but being pushed back and forth by kenkis doesn't feel very comfortable imo

melt ganyu gives me the similar feeling

[fast pike]

You either go for DPS and glass Cannon or play super safe but slow, I prefer the former

[lavish parcel]

super safe doesn't really = slow though

esp when you have ZL

or kokomi

[fast pike]

Zhongli, kokomi can let you ignore a lot of enemies

[lavish parcel]

brainlessly safe but can be quick

imagine ganyu was pushed out of ben's circle lol

[fast pike]

I just don't need the safety anymore, I'd much rather experiment and play around with unusual teams to have fun, that's the reason I built every char even if they are not Meta, I could just run ayato,nahida hyperbloom and Raiden national everytime, but that's just boring

[lavish parcel]

I do the same.. but I don't quite like being knocked out

and somehow aiming in this game doesn't seem fun for me for some reason

[fast pike]

That I can agree with, ganyu isn't one of my favorites, her gameplay feels very boring

I most enjoy Childe, Alhaitham and Keqing playstyles for a DPS

[lavish parcel]

same

[lavish parcel]

if ganyu gets yelan's special C attack I would try more

oh she does right? C6?

[lunar trail]

Bruh

[lavish parcel]

nvm not gonna get her C6

[fast pike]

C6 Ganyu gets two instant CAs, while Yelans turns 5 normal attacks into her special CA shots

[lavish parcel]

yelan op

[fast pike]

Also Yelans C6 is more like the cherry on top of previous cons that already make her broken

At this point even tighnari's C6 is better than Ganyu, since he gets 3 instant CAs

[lavish parcel]

a 5* kaeya can make the melt more satisfying

[fast pike]

https://youtu.be/BI__8JlgHz0

[lavish parcel]

btw is using Albedo's VA but not getting his banner salty?

[fast pike]

Kaeya is good enough as is

[lavish parcel]

I adore all Keaya mains I only got him C1 and that one was from the shop

[fast pike]

I think they are gonna add albedo to standardbanner eventually

[lavish parcel]

his E has the longest frozen on water

[fast pike]

Yeah it's 2U Cryo if you know about elemental gauge theory

[lavish parcel]

lol when I used ayaka kazuha ben and xq they said ben shouldn't be there, and look at the video you posted

[fast pike]

If your intention is to freeze then Bennet can mess you up, otherwise I don't see an issue

[lavish parcel]

Kenkis can't be frozen anyway

[fast pike]

That is correct, but the eremites in 12-1-2/12-3-2 can

[lavish parcel]

you just adjust the order

ben Q before ayaka's Q

and see the big Q numbers while enemies are frozen by XQ's EQ

very satisfying indeed

[fast pike]

If you successfully grouped enemies and hit them with an Ayaka Q it can be very satisfying

[kindred pumice]

We still going on about that

[lavish parcel]

that was exactly how I did it haha!

[fast pike]

I just don't wanna bother with resetting as much even though my Ayaka stats wise has the best artifacts of my account 🙈

[lavish parcel]

I guess this is not F2P any more

[fast pike]

Never claimed I was 🐳

[fast pike]

My f2p status ended like 3 weeks after I started playing genshin, bought my first welkin, then BP and whaled on Raiden shogun after about a year

[lavish parcel]

mine 3 months lmao

didnt pay a penny in first 20 days and I stopped playing for 3 months and I dolphined a bit for Ganyu

[fast pike]

Quite a few 5 star constellations, do you also pull on weapon banner?

[lavish parcel]

yes

my weapon banner will make people salty for sure

I have far more fortune than average

[hazy badge]

Better to be lucky than good.

[lavish parcel]

the sample isn't big enough for sure.. but already quite ok

[fast pike]

Lol, you pulled on every homa banner

2,5% is pretty lucky though

Wait a sec, you have 3 staff of homa but no hu tao

Meanwhile C3 Raiden but no engulfing

[lavish parcel]

yes

[fast pike]

Your pulling habits are definitely out of the norm

[lavish parcel]

100%

[fast pike]

Did you refine the homas for zhongli or keep them separately

[lavish parcel]

yes

dang you read my mind

[lavish parcel]

I dont necessarily chase the meta

[urban storm]

Oh yeah I forgor they exist HAHAHAH

[inland bane]

Got pretty good haul today

[rich sleet]

huh discord now puts the images next to eachother?

[lavish parcel]

it always does so?

[rich sleet]

no it didn't

only since latest update

you confuse that with the twitter embeds @lavish parcel

[calm pagoda]

it's new yea

[rich sleet]

just like themes are

[lavish parcel]

I just noticed discord changed its default font

very noticeable on Android

[rich sleet]

that's been months ago, and it sucks lol

[calm pagoda]

I've mostly gotten used to it

[rich sleet]

eh still using another font on pc thanks to better discord

[lavish parcel]

yeah

discord asked me for pay for its themes and of course I rejected it

[kindred pumice]

That's why the new mobile update sucks

[lavish parcel]

I would pay for its membership if it is not more expensive than genshin

its business mode feels salty

[rich sleet]

and no reason to keep pestering me about that

[coarse robin]

should i keep, for yelan maybe?

[neat kindle]

eh... i guess if u don't have anything batter and need er

[urban storm]

what artifact is it?

eosf?

or noblesse

[coarse robin]

embpem

[urban storm]

hmm yelan actually need hp sands not energy recharge

you can give that to xingqiu or xiangling

[trim bluff]

C0r1 needs er sands

[coarse robin]

I have 0 hp sands

and I need a second hydro gob cause currently my yelan is using an hp gob

[urban storm]

Bruhhh

[neat kindle]

depends on ur cons yes

c0 yelan needs a shitload of er

[plucky beacon]

Too early for your bullshit jh

[calm pagoda]

it's not mine

:P

sorry to disappoint

[plucky beacon]

Still too early

[calm pagoda]

timezones :/

[bright dune]

my zhongli is on steroids xD (he's on noblesse set)

[kindred pumice]

[coarse robin]

this zhongli has better stats than my main

wait is this with any buffs

you have a good ratio, good atk, and good hp what the hell

[bright dune]

20 crit buff ^^'

he's got homa staff

[brave hemlock]

[rare imp]

what a cracked zhongli tf

[coarse robin]

give me 5 years or so and I'll have the same stats

now that I've think about it, getting c1 zhongli is one of the worst things you can get as an f2p

maybe a wider range to proc tenacity

[kindred pumice]

[lavish parcel]

I think this depends on your setup. ER for a single water unit is ok

ppl even push her ER to 200% if she's the sole hydro and C0

[lavish parcel]

why 100 EM?😳

[green cloak]

Send 👀 build i am curious

[bright dune]

cause that what the artifacts wants to get me that much crit value

[lavish parcel]

em geo char when

[coarse robin]

no thanks LMAO

I just couldn't think how they'll pull this one off like they did with dendro

[lavish parcel]

em is the most useless attribute for geos

geo elemental shield joke 10/10

Eula mains: salt

[coarse robin]

11 😭

not mad though cause I want shenhe 😏

[lavish parcel]

I want Ayaka C2

Kazuha Charged E then Ayaka Q noice

[kindred pumice]

Kazuha Charged E and Ayaka Hold NA

[urban storm]

crunchy em bro

[lavish parcel]

I regret I didnt dolphined for Yelan earlier

so satisfying to use