🧂・salt

[calm pagoda]

https://enka.network/u/829156638 wdyt?

[simple dawn]

Hmm

[brazen parcel]

Need more

[simple dawn]

But is cw hu tao

Em is not that bad on her

[calm pagoda]

if she had more em, that'd be great

[sonic wedge]

ngl fiscl + ayaka the best by far

[calm pagoda]

even with ayaka's sands being absolute dogshit?

[sonic wedge]

clearly photoshoped

[brazen parcel]

Nah

Ril

[green cloak]

Hahaha

[calm pagoda]

can't even spell "real" right

[brazen parcel]

Rill

[sonic wedge]

rill cuy

[green cloak]

U can make 100% cr kokomi

👀👍

[sonic wedge]

blizard

[brazen parcel]

All in crit arte on yoi with hunter path 2 cryo and hutao

[calm pagoda]

yoimiya ascends with cr

[brazen parcel]

And 100% rosa

[calm pagoda]

15 from ros

[green cloak]

Just show artifact ig 👀

[brave hemlock]

If i need em, just swap weapon bro

[simple dawn]

I just realized my Ayaka have 72 em

Dawg 😭

[calm pagoda]

mine has 0 :P

[simple dawn]

Melt ayaka

[brazen parcel]

Anemo mami anemo papi

[simple dawn]

Damn, two freedom sworn

[calm pagoda]

speaking of which

[uneven fable]

Kelen menjajah

Pen ikutan

[calm pagoda]

or it's shared

[green cloak]

U guys are better than my xiangling atleast 👀

[candid needle]

Please give me one more again🥹

[simple dawn]

Ha

[green cloak]

Gl

[green cloak]

Too lazy to lv up poor xiangling 🥲

[brazen parcel]

Anything for papa and mama

I want c2 mama

[calm pagoda]

holy

[green cloak]

Gl 👀👍

[brazen parcel]

I really want c2 jean tbh i dont even care losing rate off lmao

[sly rivet]

[brazen parcel]

Thats circlet kinda good

[brave hemlock]

How this, its enough?

[uneven fable]

Nah not enough yet

[brazen parcel]

Perfect crit and er ...

[calm pagoda]

illegal

[uneven fable]

Nice HP

[brazen parcel]

You havent seen my friend ayaka 4 izzard 70% crit rate

[calm pagoda]

that's just stupid

[uneven fable]

She will never crit

[calm pagoda]

she will always crit
1.5x

[green cloak]

U called me 👀

[lyric plank]

Need 1 K more

[uneven fable]

Fr

[green cloak]

Idk why but i wasn't using that for long time 😅

[brave hemlock]

Upgrade max hp

[brazen parcel]

I aint got no luck for goblet

[green cloak]

Comrade 🤝👀

[brazen parcel]

Wait 1 minute ill share my xiangling. She ate lot of er

[green cloak]

@green cloak i talk later bye bye take care ❤️👀

[green cloak]

Ohhh ok 👀i wait

[simple dawn]

Zamnn

[brazen parcel]

1:08

[green cloak]

Nice 👀👍

[simple dawn]

But still, not def husk sand 😭

I've been farming for like 25 times now

[brave hemlock]

Wait

[simple dawn]

I even get like 4 crit circlet husk and 1 geo goblet husk

[plucky beacon]

If you got a geo goblet just use an off piece sands 😭

[brazen parcel]

[simple dawn]

Oh, sad

[brazen parcel]

0/5 on cdm

[green cloak]

I think that's with no good rolls

[brazen parcel]

High dv

[simple dawn]

It is what it is

[uneven fable]

24x3

[brazen parcel]

There you go

[uneven fable]

High def value

[brazen parcel]

She love er

[uneven fable]

Give her the catch

[plucky beacon]

Near perfect 1:2 crit 👌

[green cloak]

😮 better than mine ofc

[simple dawn]

Zamnnn

[brave hemlock]

Only this

[brazen parcel]

261 klo catch

[simple dawn]

Nice nice

[brazen parcel]

Your goblet look more promising

[green cloak]

Hmmm 👀 really

[uneven fable]

Yes

High HP roll

[green cloak]

Let's exchange 👀💱

[brazen parcel]

Critnya lumayan

[brave hemlock]

How if i used 2 petra 2 nobless

Now using 2 petra 2 husk

[uneven fable]

That goblet rolls better than my DPS

[green cloak]

Give me albedo and let me build him then i will tell u something about him 👀

[green cloak]

But u got more atk 👀

[uneven fable]

[storm cloud]

Can i join with mine?

[brave hemlock]

How if xinyan, free if u need😆

[uneven fable]

Lu tu gk diajak bang

[green cloak]

Ofc 👀👍 everyone welcome with open arms 🤗

[uneven fable]

🏃‍♂️

[green cloak]

wdym

My hunger taking over my mind so i can't understand that

[brave hemlock]

My hutao need albedo

[green cloak]

I give u my treasure 👀 2 cookies

🍪

[brave hemlock]

if you ask, then how about my hutao team

[green cloak]

Hmmm u think about that
i am not smart one here yk

U don't have old man ?????

👀

[brazen parcel]

I dont have any good goblet

[green cloak]

I always use off piece goblet

[calm pagoda]

that's normal

[brazen parcel]

Im using off piece circlet

[calm pagoda]

for those lucky enough to have onset goblet, the offpiece is wtv benefits most from being one

[brave hemlock]

Me too

[green cloak]

I am just lucky with feather and flowers i never use them off piece 👀

[twilit fossil]

that has very little to do with luck. Off piece will almost always be other pieces. Luck would be having on set sands, goblet and circlet with the correct main stat and decent secondary stats.

[green cloak]

👀 ohh ok

But where is my ice cream u melted

I am still trying to find it yk

[twilit fossil]

I fed it to you intravenously while you slept.

[green cloak]

U can say i am lucky with sand i have 3 em VV sand and all three of them are good

[green cloak]

Wait then how i am still alive

[twilit fossil]

don't ask me, I'm not a doctor.

[green cloak]

Then who are u

👀

It's a secret or something

[green cloak]

Mario mean beating here 👀

[green cloak]

But u eat my precious ice cream u have to tell me your secret

[green cloak]

Start 👀 i learn all control

Should I try to roll it ???🤔

[plucky beacon]

Wtf is this I'm about to komit a mordor

[brave hemlock]

[calm pagoda]

that did not take long

[sonic wedge]

This good damage?

Crit rate buff

[twilit fossil]

did you beat the boss? If so, damage is good. nod

[green cloak]

Dendro curse 👀

[green cloak]

Let's Add this too

👀 Just got this

Curse is getting stronger ig 👀

[hazy badge]

Day one in the Husk domain...

[faint laurel]

for qiqi

[hazy badge]

I guess so. Time to build Qiqi.

Like the fuck.

[gentle herald]

Win rate off

4x

I won rate off 5 times

[hazy badge]

Must be nice. I don't remember what it is like to win a 50:50.

[gentle herald]

[faint laurel]

what's your loss streak?

[hazy badge]

Yes. That is my loss streak. Just... yes.

[faint laurel]

my longest is 3

[hazy badge]

So basically I've lost the last four. Two Qiqi's and two Vortex Vanquishers.

[faint laurel]

weapon banner is unrelated tho

i mean, i understand the feeling

[hazy badge]

It's still a middle finger from the game. The banner system in this game sucks balls tbh.

[faint laurel]

yeah

i've never pulled a weapon before soft pity either

this is the first time I won an epitomized path on the first 5 star, and now that the coin has landed, i know that i wanted the other 5 star more, lol

[hazy badge]

Jesus. Chill the hell out, strongbox.

Two hits into ER and three into CD. Could have been better, but it's the best double crit flower I've gotten so far.

[worn tiger]

hi ?

[green cloak]

Hello 👀

[green cloak]

Good 👍👀 but still for me em is more important than crit in VV artifact

Well if u are making hybrid like my venti that's a different story

[worn tiger]

how can i ask question from owners ?

[green cloak]

Owners???

[worn tiger]

or admins or moderators

[green cloak]

Just tag them ig 👀

But it have to be important question ig

🤔

[worn tiger]

i afraid that make me ban

[green cloak]

Hmmm no ig 👀 but it have to be important i think like someone get hacked u can inform mod
U can't just tag mod for just saying hello yk

[worn tiger]

it's not for hello it's for giveaway

[green cloak]

@worn tiger this person also tag a server booster just to see 👀 that

[green cloak]

Ohhh ig it's important 👀

[green cloak]

First u should ask PPL here about it

U win giveaway or something 👀???

[worn tiger]

what should i ask ?

[worn tiger]

no but i need to ask some q about it

[green cloak]

Ohhh ig u can go in their dm or just tag them

They have higher position mean they have to answers
Our questions

👀👍

[worn tiger]

i used dm onece and it wasn't good idea

[green cloak]

Why?👀

What happened

[worn tiger]

because that was dm and you have to ask first

[slow summit]

@worn tiger has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[green cloak]

Ohhh ok just tag them here

[worn tiger]

[green cloak]

I forget so many PPL come in my dm without permission 👀

[worn tiger]

i afraid to do it

[green cloak]

Hmmm 👀 i am new here but here are some PPL who can help u ig

I tag those PPL for u

When they online they can answer your questions

How about that

👀

[worn tiger]

thanks

[worn tiger]

that's good 😂 maybe they answer tomorrow

[tribal breach]

i never thought id see the day

im finished with Inazuma

[dawn cradle]

i cant even fully finish mondstadt

[tribal breach]

its actually over

[green cloak]

Can u guys help him 👀
I am new so idk about server so much 😅

There are other PPL but i can't tag them 👀

[worn tiger]

i wish they will :))

[green cloak]

@tribal breach hunter can u help him 👀@worn tiger

[tribal breach]

whats up?

[rich sleet]

You really mass ping people and then dont even give fucking context?!

[green cloak]

Ohhh sorry

[worn tiger]

hi i have question about giveaway

[green cloak]

He want to tag mod ig and ask some questions

[tribal breach]

oh idk anything about the giveaways

[green cloak]

Ohhh ok 👀 we are same

[rich sleet]

I havent even fucking entered, how would i know

[green cloak]

I thought u are older here so u can help sorry about that 😅

[green cloak]

U look kinda angry today 👀

[worn tiger]

[rich sleet]

Mass ping + you keep pinging

[green cloak]

Ohhh sorry sorry

[rich sleet]

5 pings in 3mins from 1 person

[green cloak]

I am used to do that but always forget this server is different than others

[worn tiger]

i'm sorry he/she only wants to help me

[rich sleet]

Ask people that actually entered if you needmm help with the godforsaken contest

[green cloak]

👀ok

[worn tiger]

actully i need a way to ask from admin or mod

[green cloak]

I think jh and others entered in giveaway so they will answer u later@worn tiger

I have to go bye bye take care 👀👋

[worn tiger]

thanks

[green cloak]

Well i should thank u
i learned a new lesson today 👀👍

[worn tiger]

what?

[hazy badge]

It's for Heizou. He isn't as EM hungry as like Sucrose or Kazuha.

[green cloak]

I learned don't ping anyone if it's not important 👀
I got scolded by falthis 😅 but it's good ig

[green cloak]

Sadly I don't have heizon

Someone give him to me

[worn tiger]

i have

[hazy badge]

He's fun. One of my favorites to play tbh.

[green cloak]

I want him even c0 will work

I already have artifact just someone give him to me

😭

[worn tiger]

i have full geo

[hazy badge]

C2 is probably the best investment for him. His Q groups stuff up better. Everything else is just raw damage.

[green cloak]

👀 i just want him cuz he really fun to play

I already have 2 anemo characters already build

[green cloak]

Nice i don't have single 5* geo character

[worn tiger]

i'm only level uping

[green cloak]

And i am only farming artifacts

[hazy badge]

Crit rate is a bit lower than I would like it, but still playable for a char without any crit ascension stats.

[green cloak]

Wow 😮

He is so good

Now share him 👀

I wanna play with him

[kindred pumice]

Yeah, 5 more cr%

[tribal breach]

hmm do i set my commissions to Liyue where i only need one more achievement or to Mondstadt where i need like six more

[hazy badge]

Could be a pretty good Xiao if I ever pull him.

[tribal breach]

on one hand i can finish up another whole region, on the other i have a higher chance of actually getting a commission i need...

[hazy badge]

[kindred pumice]

Randomize🥴

[tribal breach]

nah cause that gives me the chance of going back to Inazuma

[hazy badge]

It took me a year to get every achievement from Liyue dailies.

[tribal breach]

i never need to do Inazuma commissions again

[tribal breach]

i only need to ruin 4 signs but i dont know which ones ive already ruined

[green cloak]

@kindred pumice sifu can u help him @worn tiger

👀

[kindred pumice]

Still haven't figured out how to crack the "Diamond in the rough"

[green cloak]

Wanna see how it's roll 👀

[tribal breach]

damn it took 232 days to finish Inazuma

[green cloak]

Mine still incomplete

[hazy badge]

Yeah, the daily achievements are absolutely awful.

[tribal breach]

maannn i could have like 780 achievements right now if i just played the game

[green cloak]

Wait i remember

My friend have that much

[tribal breach]

max is 815 but i havent done any Sumeru commissions yet plus the few commission achievements im missing from other regions

[kindred pumice]

Your friend has no life

[tribal breach]

but i also havent done the 3.1 archon quest, any character quests from sumeru, heizou's hangout, the new challenger and elemental specialist series, havent explored the desert, havent finished the forest

im at 686 achievements rn

[green cloak]

Here 👀

[green cloak]

But we play together 👀so i think he is alive

[tribal breach]

finishing Aranyaka would get me so many achievements

[green cloak]

It's old so maybe these too add some more 👀

Gl hunter 👀❤️👍 i am cheering 📣 for u

[worn tiger]

i have 720

[green cloak]

I have 300+ ig

My head is hurting later guy's take care 👀👋

[worn tiger]

quick look to my account

[hazy badge]

That is an Amos on Amber and a level 60 Ganyu. I just died a little on the inside.

[worn tiger]

😂

25k amber melt

no good build yet for amber

[hazy badge]

Amber is dumpster tier. Mine is level 30 and I'm ashamed she is even that high.

[worn tiger]

i planned to level up all of my characters and weapons

then level up talents

and have artifacts at end

[hazy badge]

I'd rather min-max 8-10 characters I'd use than have a full roster at 90 with garbage gear. lol

[tribal breach]

mmm.

[worn tiger]

also i usually level up them base on needs

[hazy badge]

You might as well +20 and see if it hits defense again for the memes.

[worn tiger]

i'll give all of them cool artifacts

[tribal breach]

i alt f4d lmao

[hazy badge]

lmao

[tribal breach]

ill get back on later when i have resin

[worn tiger]

i have a team for their friendships

amber's friendship is 9

and gonna be 10 soon

i'll change it's place by yoimiya

[hazy badge]

Is there any reason to get friendships to level 10. lol

[kindred pumice]

Left handed?

[worn tiger]

their name cards

[worn tiger]

what ?

[brave hemlock]

I hope like this

[worn tiger]

curent team for daily and domains is sucrose amber sara xingsu

[kindred pumice]

Your browser. Why is it like that

[hazy badge]

Oh okay. So no point for me then.

[worn tiger]

that's chrom what's the problem then ?

[worn tiger]

yes but i gonna build all of them as well

[faint laurel]

none of us are mods, literally. you can do @mods if you want but that's for spam bots or other moderation tasks

if you're trying to run a giveaway or specifically give something to someone, then i guess look at the admins in the right hand list -

but for me that trips my spam/fisching/fraud spidey sense, so maybe just... don't

or don't be surprised if you don't get a response

[green cloak]

Thx for answering i am sorry i ping u without permission

I really need rest sorry i can't take it anymore

[faint laurel]

and also, you can use #1020331324315283547 if you have something for the creator of the site

[faint laurel]

have a snack and take a nap! my advice is more for the person you're replying to

[green cloak]

I send it tmrw sorry my health becoming bad i need rest

[green cloak]

Thx later

[faint laurel]

@worn tiger ^^

[atomic oasis]

YIKES

[worn tiger]

i'm asking

[green cloak]

Sorry again i ping u all without asking i didn't know i can't do that i just wanted to help him

Night

[faint laurel]

nah you're fine - just know that i'm just a neighborhood nerd, nothing special. Falthis doesn't enjoy being tagged in things that aren't his problem, tho

[green cloak]

I didn't sleep all night yesterday maybe it's giving me some stress and can't think properly

[green cloak]

Ohhh ok i remember it

[faint laurel]

take some melatonin and have a good night!

[green cloak]

Night and thx again for help ❤️

[faint laurel]

congrats! did you get "where did the ingredients go" post 3.1 so you can get the sumeru WQ?

[tribal breach]

wat

[faint laurel]

the gourmet supremos have a new quest line in sumeru that unlocks after getting "where did the ingredients go" in inazuma post 3.1 launch. if you go to port ormos you should see a quest marker

I haven't returned to inazuma commissions to see it yet

[simple dawn]

Decent enough

Atleast there's no single roll to flat hp

Can't be said the same with this though 😭

[plucky beacon]

Me: *goes into husk domain trying to build itto
Husk domain: did you mean hybrid support DPS dog general with the highest CV you have on any character?

The saddest part of this is that I can use a def hat on him (in case I get c4 dog) and the only benefit is higher def shdhfhd

[faint laurel]

wait... are those really your second-best pieces?

[plucky beacon]

Like the fav proc is better on a crit circlet

I have another hat with 14 cr on my itto

I need a sands for itto

Or an on piece geo goblet to make use of some killer off piece sands

But instead, it keeps giving me pieces for a support dog lmfao

(note that husk domain is the one I spent the most time in according to that second anni yearly summary thing)

Itto, a DPS, can't fucking get 200cv but a support dog? 218cv FOR WHAT

[faint laurel]

ah, makes sense. I've been living in the emblem domain and yet it hates me

[plucky beacon]

I'm salty. Pls. This emotional support dog doesn't need CV, my itto does 😭😭😭

[faint laurel]

i do feel like the def/atk/hp goblets always have better subs than the elemental ones, but maybe that a bias because you get more of them

[plucky beacon]

I can't even get a geo goblet 😭😭😭😭😭

[faint laurel]

me neither

i looked at my itto build and i have a sad

lol

[plucky beacon]

I'm losing it 220cv dog general 😂😂😂

I'll prob just keep the higher cr one tho, for the energy 😂😂😂😂

Sometimes I wish I could just run a def goblet on itto because wtf is this

But sadly, I need a geo goblet 😭😭😭

..... Kinda losing it at the fact that a DPS build on the dog actually gives him a better support build....

Maybe I need to get itto his sig weapon when he returns.....

[simple dawn]

Zamn

[atomic oasis]

When you get defense for Bennett's artifacts 4 out of 4 times

• 4 out of 5 times

Only one artifact got a useful substat and it was energy recharge

[split pewter]

New artwork and new piece

[green cloak]

1 in atk 1 in hp ig and all left are in EM

👀

[brave hemlock]

Decent

[green cloak]

Yeah 👀👍

Now i have 2 dendro 👀👍

And not using any one of them

[green cloak]

Still in set so it's good 👀👍

[brave hemlock]

Btw for nahida or collei?

[green cloak]

Ofc loli god 👀👍 wish me luck

I build collei when i got her c6

I have c3 rn

Have to wait for 3 more

👀

[hazy badge]

I just realized that the feather I rolled earlier got only one non-max roll.

[calm pagoda]

better than my all min roll

[green cloak]

Same 👀 like jh

How u even got that much

[hazy badge]

Don't worry. I have a feeling farming Husk is going to be a long, long road.

RNG giveth and RNG taketh.

[tribal breach]

Husk domain is hell

I spent about 40000 resin there before getting all the builds i needed

Fun fact: after ALL of that resin I still do not have a 40cv Husk artifact

I have some that are close, like 37 or so, but not one at or above 40

[hazy badge]

Husk and Tenacity are basically the only sets I really need at this point. I could use a new attack Blizzard sands, crit rate Crimson circlet, attack HoD sands, and an EM VV sands, but it feels like a waste of resin to keep running those for just one or two artifacts.

I got a Husk feather today, but it rolled like garbage. Thanos'd and min-rolled into both crit lines.

[tribal breach]

That's fair

I don't know what to farm anymore so I'm just running Emblem again and strongboxing VV

[hazy badge]

I'm running Husk for Albedo and strongboxing VV.

Maybe for Sucrose and possibly improving my Kazuha.

[tribal breach]

My weakest set that I've actually completed is definitely CW, but I haven't finished a full HoD set and my BS set is garbage, but I don't use anyone that needs either of those sets so idrc

[hazy badge]

I have a pretty good HoD set outside of sands. Never seen a good attack one.

[tribal breach]

Only hydro dps I use is Ayato and his 4p glad is so cracked there's actually zero point farming for another set for him, and I don't have any cryo dps

[hazy badge]

Ah. I use Ganyu a lot and Wanderers is ass to farm, so I just went freeze for her.

[green cloak]

If i have to send my best feather 🪶 it's probably this one 👀

[calm pagoda]

that's very poggers

[green cloak]

let's pray i also get a flower like this feather

[uneven fable]

Cool

[worn tiger]

Pog.

[plucky beacon]

give it here

[tribal breach]

i wish my CW pieces had more crit rate everything high rolls cdmg and minrolls cr

bruh

[hazy badge]

Defense Hu Tao meta leggo.

[tribal breach]

it got fed and turned into more garbage

one day i will get my crit rate CW circlet!!

[hazy badge]

I dumped 400 artifacts into the CW strongbox and got three crit circlets. One of them rolled once into crit damage, the rest were garbage. lol

[plucky beacon]

mood tho

[tribal breach]

everything would be so much better if Hu Tao ascended with crit rate so her ascension and weapon balanced each other out

[plucky beacon]

hu tao is all damage, no balance

crit rate is pain for her rip

[tribal breach]

this was my experimental build using Homa with 2CW and 2 Wanderers

[hazy badge]

Yeah, it is a huge pain in the ass. My crit rate is at like 65% total on my CW set.

[plucky beacon]

have homa but not hu tao?!

[tribal breach]

yeah

[hazy badge]

[tribal breach]

zhongli gaming

[plucky beacon]

scarifice cd for cr tbh

[hazy badge]

40% of the time you're doing no damage.

[tribal breach]

lemme get on and mess with the build again

[plucky beacon]

80/200 is significantly better than what you have

even 80/190 if your hat is absolute ass

[tribal breach]

yeah

100/200 is better tho

[hazy badge]

Yeah, and I'd like to win a 50:50, but I don't see that happening either.

[plucky beacon]

*rolls eyes let's be reasonable tho

tbh anything higher than 200cv on your artifacts isn't worth it anymore

this game doesn't require that

[tribal breach]

this is as good as i can get without breaking set

[hazy badge]

That's much better imo.

[tribal breach]

this is reasonable

[plucky beacon]

no

show me your weapon then

and how long you farmed

[hazy badge]

Better start spending primos on resin if you want stats like that.

[plucky beacon]

is it also a four piece

[tribal breach]

4 glad

[plucky beacon]

you still refuse to show your weapon?

[faint laurel]

4 glad/4 WT is way easier to have high CV on

[hazy badge]

Especially with Jadecutter.

[tribal breach]

hang on im getting my enka card

[plucky beacon]

i'm not that interested tbh. it's still not a "reasonable" build

it's a "and no grass was touched today" build

[tribal breach]

boba gaming

[plucky beacon]

pjc. literally just proved my point. a reasonable build doesn't include a broken 5* limited weapon, because it's not accessible to everyone

[hazy badge]

I'm more impressed with the on-set goblet with good stats tbh.

I didn't think it was possible.

[tribal breach]

the goblet could be much better

imagine a 10/20

[hazy badge]

That's like telling someone to imagine winning the lottery. Gotta be realistic. lmao

[plucky beacon]

imagine if i was white and was born into money

wow

[tribal breach]

thats not my only 100/200 though

this is with Deathmatch

[plucky beacon]

ah yes, another paid weapon, with broken crit stats for a four star

very reasonable

i'm not saying it's impossible

[tribal breach]

its $10 and available to anyone any time

[plucky beacon]

so is pjc

if you're lucky

[tribal breach]

thats a very dumb claim

and pjc is also not available at any time

[hazy badge]

100% crit rate is just excessive imo. You need like ~80% is good enough.

[plucky beacon]

so is your claim that 100/200 is reasonable

[tribal breach]

im not claiming 100/200 is reasonable

[hazy badge]

I mean they invested money into their account. Nothing wrong with that.

[harsh swift]

Hunter

this is reasonable

Jump

[Go to message!](#🧂・salt message)

[tribal breach]

it was a joke?

[hazy badge]

Sarcasm doesn't translate well via text for some. lol

[tribal breach]

that build is clearly unreasonable, we all agree with that

[plucky beacon]

you made it sound reasonable jfc

[hazy badge]

They didn't. They were being sarcastic. Chill.

[tribal breach]

anyway, how big is the difference between 4cw Hu Tao and 2cw 2wt

assuming vape comp

[plucky beacon]

rip sarcasm indicators my bad

[hazy badge]

I'm not sure how large of a difference it is mathematically, but you really want 4/4 CW on her if you're going vape.

[tribal breach]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

i hate cw i hate cw i hate cw

[plucky beacon]

if you can make up at least a little of the 80 em from wanderers, cwof is better

[hazy badge]

From KQM.

[tribal breach]

this sands is damn near irreplaceable so im forced into an on-set goblet

[hazy badge]

So you're looking at like a 6% gain to do full CW.

[tribal breach]

tbh thats not worth my time

[hazy badge]

Just strongbox it unless you have plans on gearing someone else.

[tribal breach]

if it was like 15% then maybe

a certain man with a hat is coming out in the not so distant future who may potentially use a certain viridescent venerer set

[hazy badge]

New domain is coming out for him, so he probably won't use VV.

[tribal breach]

mixed 2p 2p will be at least usable till i complete a full 4p of the new set

id rather that than have the most abysmal rolls of all time just to complete the 4p

plus i need more vv in general

[hazy badge]

True. I'm lucky and geared Heizou, so I don't need to strongbox VV really.

[tribal breach]

i have a grand total of 10 vv pieces

kauhza has his full em set, but venti is still only on 2p, xiao is on his 2p, and i have a few off-pieces for others

oh wait

[hazy badge]

Circlet is garbage, but it's not worth running the domain anymore.

[tribal breach]

i gotta roll this flower to 20 real quick

NOOOO 😦

ive been betrayed

it was supposed to be 35 def!

[slow summit]

@tribal breach has leveled up to LEVEL 23

[hazy badge]

Oof. So close to being the perfect meme.

[tribal breach]

i think activating benny c6 for pyro cyno is a fantastic idea right now

[hazy badge]

Top 10 Things That are a Bad Idea.

[tribal breach]

Good* Idea

(its number 1 on that list)

((number 2 is pulling on the weapon banner when youre not on a guarantee for character banner))

[hazy badge]

They really need to make it so you can toggle constellations.

Because sometimes you want them, sometimes you don't. Like Benny.

[sly plover]

20 resin

but trash anyways

[atomic oasis]

Oh who are you farming for?

What stats were those circlets

[sly plover]

tryna farm to improve raiden, but end up improving other characters

def circlet

[plucky beacon]

this read like the def circlet was an improvement for some character

[lament zodiac]

Look what ive found

[true crater]

dam

[wanton talon]

im ready for next banner

[tribal breach]

low rolls hurt

BRO

[sudden basin]

i love low rolls too

yum

[worn herald]

This is missing flat HP to be "perfect"

[brazen marsh]

Al-Haytham ready

[green cloak]

I still need good circlet or sand for full set

[vivid tapir]

(don't you recharge though?)

[vivid tapir]

🤔

[sonic wedge]

genshin god dammit

https://tenor.com/view/why-asking-confused-gif-4593721

why you gotta ruin her with def

[hazy badge]

[green cloak]

👀 can i steal some

[calm pagoda]

interesting to see those that convert to fates and those that dont

[plucky beacon]

wish that was me

[hazy badge]

I used to, but then I raided with someone in XIV who converted $300 worth of primos into standard banner fates on accident and HYV wouldn't change them over into the other type.

So I just said fuck that. They can stay primos.

[calm pagoda]

I check every time XD

and I convert every day

[hazy badge]

I just don't want to risk months of saving for that, but that's me. lmao

[green cloak]

I am same like jh 👀

I convert everytime I see i got 160 primo

[hazy badge]

I just pull out the calculator app every time I want to know how many I have. lol

294 pulls and some change total right now.

[green cloak]

👀 tatra share some of your brain

[plucky beacon]

I just check the shop where you convert primos to fates and see how many you can get

also, I love how everyone just converts starglitter to fates while i'm just sitting on 50-100 at any given time lol

[spark birch]

yo i hit 100 pulls today

savings for childe

[plucky beacon]

as he deserves

[atomic oasis]

XD

I'm gonna try to get Yae Miko when she drops

[plucky beacon]

miko supremacy

[green cloak]

Food supremacy 👀

[visual gull]

OH SWEET BARBATOS

I hate you Venti

||still better than my current Yelan cup||

[brazen parcel]

Barbatos hate you for sho

Pray for ei

And yae side boobs

[hazy badge]

I mean... at least she scales off of HP.

[green cloak]

Give it to me my yelan need it 👀

[tribal breach]

oh boy i wonder what fantastic artifacts i'll get today!

[hazy badge]

Hoping I get another 40 CV Clam piece today so my dreams of becoming a Qiqi main will become a reality. /s

[true crater]

dam

[worn tiger]

and hello

who is here ?

[tribal breach]

how many 5 stars did you get before getting this to r5

[rich sleet]

2

but one came early-ish

[tribal breach]

fuck standard banner

[twilit fossil]

whatever gets you out of bed in the morning.

[hazy badge]

Nine condensed resin and got one artifact worth rolling on. Thanks, Genshin.

[tribal breach]

average genshin experience

[hazy badge]

Meanwhile in Honkai I got 4/4 bis for a character in Honkai in 35 pulls. lmao

[tribal breach]

your mistake was ever thinking that genshin is as forgiving as honkai

[hazy badge]

I made the mistake of playing Genshin.

[vivid tapir]

Not saving fragiles?

[hazy badge]

I save them. I just run artifact domains every other day so I can run a bunch all at once.

[vivid tapir]

Oh I read "nine fragiles"

Must be caffeine withdrawal or something

[fleet swan]

Amos bow.. when are you coming back 😫

[tribal breach]

dont pull for Amos on the weapon banner

[worn tiger]

it's on my amber's hands

[tribal breach]

its a standard weapon you can get when you lose 25/75 and just off of standard anyway

not worth wasting wishes for it on rate up

[fleet swan]

return-

[worn tiger]

nope

my ganyu gonna use it some day

one day

[fleet swan]

im about to showoff my history

[worn tiger]

ok

[tribal breach]

you won the same amount of 50/50s consecutively as ive won playing this game for over 2 years

[fleet swan]

Bro..

[worn tiger]

lucky you

[fleet swan]

wait are you guys whales?

[tribal breach]

bp welkin only

[kindred pumice]

At least, now you know that every 50-50 you lost made someone else happy

[worn tiger]

my most lucky winning was yae in pity 43 and win 50-50

[worn tiger]

i'm f2p

[fleet swan]

oh same

[fleet swan]

Life in a nutshell

[worn tiger]

pity 4 ? -_-

[fleet swan]

IKR

[fleet swan]

Bro that's a lot of 5 stars

[tribal breach]

the 4 pity xiao is the only thing keeping me close to average 5 star %

[kindred pumice]

Cut him some slack

[tribal breach]

been playing since launch...

[fleet swan]

you need money

not for whaling, but for a theraphy

[tribal breach]

then there's this

and this...

[vivid tapir]

I guess I'll need to speedrun exploration because you guys took all 50/50 wins from genshin servers for a year

[tribal breach]

bro ive gotta have like 40 wishes worth of primogems from exploration and quests that i havent done yet

im only at like 60% forest and 10% desert exploration, i havent done any story quests, ive only done the first 2 archon quests, im still on part 2 of aranyaka, ive done zero world quests

[fleet swan]

Me who still has this:

[vivid tapir]

Pain and suffering

[fleet swan]

i havent touched my sumeru

[green cloak]

👀 i just touch it for event

[fleet swan]

i feel like i've killed multiple people with this sentence

[green cloak]

Nha i am alive 100% cuz we are same 👀👍

Comrades 🤝

[tribal breach]

i mean i dont blame you theres a lot to do in this game suddenly

[fleet swan]

You guys do events?

[tribal breach]

youre f2p and dont do events???

[green cloak]

Yeah i am f2p and need primo for new characters 👀

[vivid tapir]

YeS nAHIDA is cOMING SOON

[fleet swan]

yes---

[tribal breach]

youre missing like 20 wishes a patch

events are the main source of primogems

[fleet swan]

i dont have time for events recently

[green cloak]

Only rich PPL don't do them ig 👀

[fleet swan]

god school is a hassle qwq

[fleet swan]

im f2p qwq

[green cloak]

Just take one day like to finish them 👀

Like Sunday

👀

[green cloak]

True

[fleet swan]

i guess Valorant and League would have to wait-

[green cloak]

They should give 160 primo everyday atleast 1 pull everyday

[tribal breach]

even if you buy welkin you still only get 150

[green cloak]

Yeah

Pain

[tribal breach]

"bUt tHe 300 fRoM thE sTaRT bAlAnCEs iT oUt"

[fleet swan]

Mean while Hoyolab HQ:
"LeTs MakE SkiNs-"

[slow summit]

@fleet swan has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[green cloak]

Haha

[green cloak]

[tribal breach]

you get 300 genesis crystals when you buy Welkin which, since welkin lasts for 30 days, technically gets you "one wish per day" if you spend 10 genesis crystals per day

[green cloak]

👀then we don't have anything to do with it

We gonna stay f2p forever ♾️

[fleet swan]

You guys have money?

[green cloak]

I have pants 👖 but don't have pockets 👀 so no money in it

And what is money

Can I eat it

[fleet swan]

Money is like something that flies... i think?

[green cloak]

So i can eat it after catching it

[green cloak]

Wait how u know about it hunter u aren't f2p

[tribal breach]

no i said i buy welkin + bp

[green cloak]

Why bp

[tribal breach]

resource stockpile

[green cloak]

[tribal breach]

i have 30m mora and 2400 hero's wit

always prepared for new characters

[green cloak]

Ohhh ok i am not jealous at all

I also have 100 mora yk

[fleet swan]

Yes... I guess so

[green cloak]

I start preparing after getting a new character

[green cloak]

Nice 👀 i am gonna catch them in my dream and eat them wanna join in

[fleet swan]

Yes please

[green cloak]

Ok nice let's meet in our dreams gn take care

[fleet swan]

[atomic oasis]

WHALE

[tribal breach]

2 years

[faint laurel]

like my pulls look about like that over the course of a year and my spreadsheet still says i'm under $50USD/mo

[plucky beacon]

Man look at all those greens

Jealous

[faint laurel]

yeah the back-to-back yae & raiden was mindblowing

i had been trying to snipe kuki off itto's rerun banner so all of those kazuhas felt early

i've had multiple people ask about my c2 kazuha whether i swiped or saved and the answer is both/neither/luck actually

[true crater]

saem

also c2 kazu

[faint laurel]

damn, you're better at choosing who you want to go for than i am

[plucky beacon]

Holy crap how to get earlies 🥹

[hazy badge]

Better to be lucky than good.

[tribal breach]

50/mo gaawdamn

I'm at like 10/mo average since I didn't start buying welkin bp till March 2021

Actually I don't think I even started buying bp till that summer

[faint laurel]

for sure. i didn't start playing until ~1yr ago

if you have a year of zeroes, it's easy to keep your average low

i started BP/welkin from about 2 weeks in a day in, lol

basically coming from switch games, I was like "yeah, $15 for a game that feels like BOTW is an easy buy"

[plucky beacon]

Yes

[faint laurel]

and like, yes i've spent the equivalent of 12 switch games on genshin at this point, but like, i found 900 koroks and then never played BOTW again

and like, I bought hollow knight, played it for like 3 hours and was like "nope I hate this"

that happens with a lot of games, even that are highly recommended by friends

when i get bored of genshin, i'll stop spending

[worn tiger]

BOTW is so worth it, it's like 400 hours if not more for 100% completion, and it's pretty fun

I think I've got 350 something and around 600 koroks. got tired of it a while ago tho

[true crater]

but is botw worth the device that i dont have to run it with

(no for me)

but hey the botw players say genshin is botw clone so i guess im playing it for free when they payd nintendo big monies

[faint laurel]

well, BOTW isn't trying to sell you gacha

[true crater]

tru

[fast pike]

Lucky daily commissions

[faint laurel]

so like, because BOTW is giving you one character and a box of tools for a flat fee, puzzles and bosses in that game have a lot of different solutions - genshin is the opposite, they're selling us a variety of tools and trying to create situations where we need them and it feels bad to not have them

[plucky beacon]

I equate spending on genshin to going to theme/amusement parks. Lol Ike I pay a crap ton to not get any physical merch but it's worth it to have fun for the time I'm there 🤷

[empty bone]

Wow

[fast pike]

It's kind of a dumb conversation to criticize other people for what they spend their money on, unless you want a totalitarian society where 1 person defines what kind of entertainment and product is allowed to provide that specific amount of fun and enjoyment

[plucky beacon]

Yeah

[fast pike]

Every person enjoys things in their own personal subjective way, you can't objectively quantify how much their "fun" is worth

[plucky beacon]

But genshin has the misfortune of having a lot of young players who think 50/mo is a LOT of money to put towards "just a game"

So there's that 🥹

[fast pike]

The ironic part is the people who spend actually keep the game running and the more money Hoyoverse gets the more they can also invest to improve the game which benefits all players

[plucky beacon]

Yup

Economics!

But try to explain to teenage f2p is like pulling teeth 🤷

[bronze flare]

tbh if like no one spent anything for like a week, they have enough money that it would be pocket change to them to keep the game running

for that time

[true crater]

usually its just version updates with hyped up new chars that gets people swiping

a large portion of every banner's income is just the first coupl days

[plucky beacon]

And prob a second smaller wave at the end of the banner for anyone making a last ditch attempt before the banner goes away

[atomic oasis]

How do you even roll early for 5 stars...

[fast pike]

Exile Bennet, I think more energy is better than having Noblesse buff

Noblesse build

[tribal breach]

i got thanos'd

[true crater]

i just cannot get exile pieces

shouldntv fed all the ones i had ages ago

[fast pike]

Yeah, I always check them and lock the good ones with potential

[calm pagoda]

same

[true crater]

but i dint know befor

i finally got a decent instructor set tho
some good ER rolls in them

[calm pagoda]

me neither
it's a recent thing with itto rerun for me

instructor is something I'm neglecting atm

since I don't play Thoma in vv vape tao and I can't find anyone else who'd want it

[fast pike]

I've built up some em/HP mainstat pieces just to get rid of artifact exp, since I'm not getting enough good 5 star pieces

[calm pagoda]

imagine having too much artifact xp

[faint laurel]

Couldn't be me

[calm pagoda]

I wish I had that problem

[faint laurel]

My abyss team still having some +16 artifacts lol

[calm pagoda]

all my abyss teams except exile gorou have Artis at +20

[fast pike]

I have 350 +20 artifacts, from doing daily investigation spots and elite mobs farming

[calm pagoda]

ye I don't have the time for that

[faint laurel]

I have 65 at +20

[true crater]

god

thats so much work

i did that for like a week then gave up

[open pasture]

Bennett could in some situations, but rn I can't think of something else. xD It's just unfortunate that we don't have a 5* set that shares EM to the whole team.

[calm pagoda]

in what situations?

[open pasture]

Original national (Chongyun uses NO), and generally teams where either someone else can use NO instead and it's a team focused on reactions

Not a meta team for instance, but I run Kuki/Yelan/Yanfei/Yae on one account, and I have Kuki on 4p Instructor's as well

[tidal drum]

I blame the Society

[fast pike]

Instructors Kuki is pretty nice

[open pasture]

Yep, pretty nice imo haha

[worn tiger]

Pov: your xiao is still trash and u have nearly 2 good 4-pieces for ayato 💀💀💀💀

[fast pike]

Vermillion ain't even that great, supposedly we'll get a new anemo set in 3.3 for scaramouche that's gonna be good for Xiao as well

[open pasture]

Afaik it isn't better than Vermillion or 2p ATK 2p anemo though

As, iirc, it's focused on damage bonus, which Xiao already has plenty

But tbh, might be misremembering xD

[fast pike]

Depends on supports, also Xiao ascension stat and PJWS both give CR so DMG bonus is better than ATK, if you use Bennet, Noblesse, TToDS...

[open pasture]

What does CR has to do with DMG though?

And ig it's assuming he's paired with his best team

Which only possible source of ATK bonus would be 4p NO on Jean

[fast pike]

RN the best DMG bonus buffs for Xiao are super whale, C4 Jean and C4 Albedo

[open pasture]

I meant the DMG from his own kit

It's already around 90% iirc

[worn tiger]

💀

I’m going attack based so

[fast pike]

From what, he just has an anemo goblet in most cases?

[open pasture]

His burst

[fast pike]

Oh you meant from his burst talent, I thought we were talking about builds

[open pasture]

We talking about builds, yeah

But you gotta consider the stats that come from his kit as well

[calm pagoda]

ye he alr gets a lot of dmg bonus

[fast pike]

Well it still highly depends on the supports, cause ATK buffs are just a lot more easily accessible

[open pasture]

Yeah, but ig this is assuming his best (current) hypercarry team, which as I mentioned earlier, only could have 4p NO on Jean as ATK buff

On Jean/Albedo/ZL, he definitely prefers 4p VH over 2p ATK and 2p anemo, for instance

[fast pike]

Jean is only good if she's C4 and not that many players have access to that

[open pasture]

But on a team with say NO Bennett and TToDS, I can see 2p anemo 2p ATK being better

[calm pagoda]

ye on that team there arent many atk buffs

[open pasture]

But idk if farming the new set for Scara would be better than just putting 2p 2p on him tho

[open pasture]

She's still good under C4

I do have C4, anyways

[calm pagoda]

jean is still decent before c4

for xiao

[fast pike]

Until C4 I'd rather use sucrose and TToDS to buff and battery

[calm pagoda]

not sucrose level of battery, but its something

and also healing if your zhongli shield expires

[open pasture]

Tbf, funneling 3 Sucrose Es plus Xiao's 2 Es is near impossible iirc

[open pasture]

Plus good damage if well built, as well

[calm pagoda]

mhmm

[fast pike]

In general C2 is already very strong for a lot of teams since ATK speed buffs are still quite rare, we've been getting some more nowadays, but they are still valuable, for Xiao it's useless though 🙈

[open pasture]

Tbh, I already struggle funneling Jean's E plus 2 Xiao's E, but that might be skill issue lmao

[open pasture]

Not entirely if you're doing jet combo though xD

[calm pagoda]

just build enough er

[fast pike]

TToDS

[open pasture]

I don't struggle much to get his burst regardless, but yeah haha

[open pasture]

Ye, but you can always run ATK goblet or 4p VH xD so, for me, I'd rather keep running C4 Jean, Albedo and ZL

Though anyways, I highly doubt it'd be worth it to farm the new set for him (assuming leaks are correct and it stays mostly the same until it goes live), even on a team with several ATK buffs, considering most people should have at least 2 decent to good pieces of an ATK set and from VV

[fast pike]

A big disadvantage of Xiao unfortunately is him pushing enemies backwards, so jean and Bennet bursts are hard to get the most out of unless you can push the enemies against some wall

I'm hoping for some kind of buff for him that lets him be mobile

[open pasture]

That's true, but as you said, it's an issue with both Jean and Bennett, and imo running TToDS on Sucrose alone isn't too many ATK buffs to even like discard VH

Bennett and Sucrose, yeah, both Sucrose alone, probably not

[open pasture]

Hopefully Faruzan xD

[fast pike]

Honestly Yelan is just too good of a character, considering her whole kit, if we could have something like her Q that also triggers with plunging attacks or like gorou's Q that you can move around with that would be huge

[open pasture]

Yeah, I'm assuming we'll eventually get some 4* char that buffs plunging attacks (also assuming we'll eventually get more chars that revolve around their plunging attacks in some way)

Though tbf, Xiao isn't in much need of DMG bonus as it is, so something like Yun Jin's buff might be more beneficial

But then again, he doesn't attack thaaat fast for him to really benefit from it, like Yoi does for example

[fast pike]

C6 Thoma buffs plunging atks but it's only 15%

[open pasture]

Ah, true that

[fast pike]

Nice

[pale crow]

...

[split pewter]

THAT IS SO GOOD FOR ITTO

[pale crow]

It's on TF

[green cloak]

Give it to me pls 👀

U making me jealous 👀

Pls 🥺

Why u crying 👀

👀how about share it with me

Take it when u need it 👍

Ok if u can't give dragon bane give me CW goblet pls 👀

I need that goblet 👀

Give it to me pls 🥺

Give this to me pls 🥺

Hmmm 👀

Why physical???

I thought it's pyro

I was thinking of giving u my dendro goblet in exchange

😮

Nice

Then i don't need to give u anything 👀

I can just take

What is this thing called logic

Can I eat it

[hazy badge]

...Is that a physical goblet on Ganyu or am I having a fever dream.

Attack?

She doesn't do physical damage.

Put that on Ganyu until you get a cryo. Physical is just straight up a dead stat. It would be like stacking crit on Kokomi.

The only characters who really use a physical goblet are Razor and Eula. You can run physical Kaeya and Keqing builds, but most people don't.

[fast pike]

Phys rosaria or zhongli are a thing too

[green cloak]

U don't have single 5* cyro dmg bouns What AR u are on rn tust

[fast pike]

Unlucky

[unborn spade]

How do I check wish history on Android?

[sly plover]

check #💭・general and look at @scarlet ivy

[dawn cradle]

anyone I can give this goblet to?

[sly plover]

hp scaling character maybe

[dawn cradle]

if I use it on kuki?

[calm pagoda]

nilou, kokomi
kuki is fine too

[dawn cradle]

o

ty

[sly plover]

but

i would rather build Kuki EM

[dawn cradle]

goblet has 79 em too

[sly plover]

as she would still heal nicely without hp stats

unless of course, your point is to heal with kuki

[dawn cradle]

no i thought it would be 50 cv goblet for yelan but😔

[sly plover]

relatable lmfao

[dawn cradle]

0 rolls in cd

[sly plover]

similar to my situation but reverse

[calm pagoda]

oops

[sly plover]

im farming for better raiden pieces but end up with some decent yelan piece

[dawn cradle]

SAME

i get good shimenawa pieces

and 0 good emblem

i only need shimenawa for my future shenhe

[sly plover]

all the relatable pains

why shime for shenhe though

[calm pagoda]

2atk lmao

[sly plover]

oh

my brain comprehend that as 4 shime

legit confusion

[calm pagoda]

but i would recommend noblesse if nobody runs it in the team

[sly plover]

LESS THAN 3DAYS TILL NAHIDA

[calm pagoda]

VERY POGGERS

[sly plover]

also petition to burn down the akademiya in the process of archon quest

[calm pagoda]

I wonder how many views the wishing video will get

[calm pagoda]

umm aktually she releases on the 2nd

[sly plover]

"If I get nahida, the video ends"

[calm pagoda]

good title i like it

[sly plover]

lmfao

[dawn cradle]

i mean 2pc shimenawa is the easy option I can get because of farming for emblem

thats why

[calm pagoda]

I agree, but noblesse will probably net you more team dmg

by buffing everyone including herself

you're only missing out on 16% compared to double atk%

[dawn cradle]

omg I forgot nobless gives +20% atk

[calm pagoda]

mhmm

[fossil ginkgo]

bruh the pity was 25 and my gambling addiction said: pfftt it's just a 10 pulls you can't get a 5 stars

me sad😞

[silk aspen]

just checked my pity and it's 74

ik I'll get nahida but should i pull for her weapon?

[green cloak]

If u get nilou first then qiqi u get have next character guaranteed 👀

[fossil ginkgo]

yeah saddd

[green cloak]

Who said it's sad 👀

[fossil ginkgo]

it's sad for me

now i have a c3 qiqi still no mona

[green cloak]

We aren't same 👀

[green cloak]

U got 2 5* what's the problem 👀

[fossil ginkgo]

you are using the sigma rules i see

[fossil ginkgo]

i want nahida

[green cloak]

[green cloak]

Now u can use primo for her

[fossil ginkgo]

what primo

i have nothing

[green cloak]

It's something u eat 👀

Taste good 👀👍

[fossil ginkgo]

you are hungry I'm not

we aren't the same

[green cloak]

Yeah u are right ig 👀

Go become hungry

[fossil ginkgo]

• becoming hungry *

[green cloak]

[green cloak]

Nice Now u can eat primo

[fossil ginkgo]

where can i find primos?

[green cloak]

In your dream ofc

Have to go later take care

Need to finish colouring my qiqi 👀 byee bye take care 👋

[worn tiger]

First try melted ganyu c0, how much the average dmg should be ?

[worn herald]

what's that 3 fps video

[twilit fossil]

heh

that's not nearly as bad as stop motion mechwarrior when my video card couldn't hack it anymore.

I got a headshot at 1fpm.

I don't think I even saw the mech I killed.

-probably- was not actually 1fpm, but it was definitely not 1fps which is the lowest number it would display. 😛

[brave hemlock]

Build team soon

[kindred pumice]

Pretty sure mine would be the same in abyss

[tribal breach]

not worth keeping