are those arms holding her down?
#💭・general
tall thorn
tall thorn
yup, I've seen that somewhere 💀
tawny cypress
im ngl there is nothing horny or off about that art
tall thorn
swift crane
covert quest
Maybe it only finds things on the same layer as you?
warped rune
that's so adorable
warped rune
but as soon as you picture where the arm owner is standing...
you watch too much content online if you think there was something wrong with that paimon picture
tall thorn
nothing wrong, just a lot of potential
cyan burrow
Hola-
south radish
GREEtings
wraith loom
hi everyone:D
cyan burrow
Si :c, gracias
covert quest
How viable would a Ayato/Furina/Kazuha/Jean team be? Or would it be better to stick with Ayato/Kazuha/XL/Benny?
pale spoke
ayato just doesn't synergize enough with furina
covert quest
I do want to pull for Furina but I do not want to have her constantly benched so I was wondering about possible teams to use her in
dawn veldt
How viable would a Ayato/Furina/Kazuha/Jean team be? Or would it be better to st...
if you make a team with furina you need to build the team around her, you can't just put her anywhere as if she was bennett or kazuha, or you are losing a lot of damage, she mostly works with the fontaine males 5 stars and dendro ofc because everything that involves hydro goes with dendro
dawn veldt
I do want to pull for Furina but I do not want to have her constantly benched so...
if you have enough characters already you are better to skip her banner and pull her another time or not at all if you want another character
covert quest
if you make a team with furina you need to build the team around her, you can't ...
That sounds the opposite of what I generally hear since a lot of people say she is a very versatile character?
dawn veldt
That sounds the opposite of what I generally hear since a lot of people say she ...
dont let the clickbait titles on youtube sway you, analize your characters
covert quest
I don't watch any Genshin content on youtube but ok
dawn veldt
on any social media, its the same, everyone is on the hype train always for their new character
zinc crown
Versatile by the fact that she buff any kind of damage not transformative, but her kits fall short without any teamwide healer which is where limitation come from.
dawn veldt
if you need a DPS you can wait for navia, she is going to be very strong without the meta of defense involved in her kit
or another character that you care ofc
covert quest
I don't need a DPS
dawn veldt
idk, its your account, if you need a support you should really think about it
covert quest
dawn veldt
ngl you will probably bench her if you already have all of those characters and none of the fontaine 5* males
covert quest
Yeah I do not plan on pulling Wrio or Neuvi
spice juniper
Is this an actual achievement or a mistake?
dawn veldt
you can do it multiple times
spice juniper
you can do it multiple times
Do you know if its a commission?
dawn veldt
Do you know if its a commission?
no, you have to keep drinking from the machine of fonta
spice juniper
no, you have to keep drinking from the machine of fonta
lol, do you know how many times?
dawn veldt
too many
spice juniper
covert quest
lol, do you know how many times?
1, 13, 16? I think it was
dawn veldt
I forgot to take screenshots at 1111 and 1122
spice juniper
Rip
dawn veldt
will need to wait for 4.4 probably to get the 1234 
tall thorn
what's the max now?
spice juniper
tall thorn
then 4.6 or 4.7 i guess
covert quest
But that includes the duplicates right now, not much of a difference though
dawn veldt
its wrong by 2 I think
and right now there is an achievement that you cannot get because its bugged
dawn veldt
Paimon.moe is wronged?
💀 yes
covert quest
and right now there is an achievement that you cannot get because its bugged
Which one?
dawn veldt
touching the octopus, the blue one that you steal the power from
tall thorn
Paimon.moe is wronged?
yes, wrong, and wronged by the dev
dawn veldt
it doesnt give the achievement
spice juniper
touching the octopus, the blue one that you steal the power from
not sure which one that is
covert quest
Paimon.moe is wronged?
There are dupes of one of the local legends and Semnai Sans Shadow
dawn veldt
I just love i'm missing some random daily quests achievements because I never got them
spice juniper
there's only one new type in 4.2
By type, you mean octopus? Since aren't there 2 of them?
dawn veldt
By type, you mean octopus? Since aren't there 2 of them?
no (?)
covert quest
There is only one octopus?
tall thorn
yes, the Ball Octopus, it's one thing but has two comsetic variants
spice juniper
There is only one octopus?
I found 2 octopus
tall thorn
the ball on land is just an eqivalent. we're talking about the sea creatures
spice juniper
spice juniper
I just love i'm missing some random daily quests achievements because I never go...
Still don't have this one
dawn veldt
Still don't have this one
I got that one this year
covert quest
I found 2 octopus
There's ones you can kill and ones you can take the power of, the ones you can kill have different colour variants like most other sea creatures
tall thorn
Still don't have this one
ugh the last one from mondstadt...
dawn veldt
those are from the chasm / liyue, never in my life I got those
spice juniper
I got that one this year
I'll finally get back to Mondstadt ones after I finally finish Liyue
Fontaine ones seems easier, so far
dawn veldt
and this one I hate it with everything I have
I got this daily quest 100 times, never completed it
I did it every time as it should be
idk if its bugged for me or what
covert quest
and this one I hate it with everything I have
They changed it so all 3 NPC appear now it used to be 2 random ones
dawn veldt
Inazuma is the only nation I have at 100% of everything, achievements and exploration
spice juniper
and this one I hate it with everything I have
I hate this one the most
covert quest
One of them would almost never appear
dawn veldt
I hate this one the most
i'm missing killing the birds and burning the grass
spice juniper
It keeps giving me the grandma one, 95% of the time, so I only had 1 chance to get new ones, instead of 2 at once
hot fiber
until they change their RNG to prioritize dailies you have -not- completed the achievement for, I will not be bothered to go back and do any of those pieces of shit.
if I did not already complete it in the time I was doing that region, it is not going to happen.
dawn veldt
i'm not doing the event just so I can skip my daily quests with it
spice juniper
until they change their RNG to prioritize dailies you have -not- completed the a...
Sounds like waiting for better anniversary rewards next year
hot fiber
Sounds like waiting for better anniversary rewards next year
I'm not waiting for it, I just don't give a fuck about the achievements enough to be bothered until their system is better.
spice juniper
dawn veldt
good thing is I finished 4.2 today so I can play star rail new patch tomorrow
hot fiber
it is endless, there is no new fonta, only Zu'ul. XD
spice juniper
good thing is I finished 4.2 today so I can play star rail new patch tomorrow
Perfect number broken
floral quiver
amber prawn
Hi, how can i get the link for use wish counter?
floral quiver
Check Pins 📌
amber prawn
I dont find
tall thorn
covert quest
until they change their RNG to prioritize dailies you have -not- completed the a...
I hate it so much because I am waiting to get the right version of that lost sword commission in Liyue, I've gotten the commission 4 times in the past two weeks and it is all the wrong version
amber prawn
I dont see any link on pinned messages :<
floral quiver
amber prawn
I dont see any link on pinned messages :<
Idk why
cold harness
if you make a team with furina you need to build the team around her, you can't ...
You can kinda slot her in a plethora of teams, her limitation isn't the 5* Fontaine DPS (which also doesn't include Lyney, btw), but the fact that she needs a teamwide healer, rn mostly just Jean or Baizhu (Mika and Charlotte can work too)
I'm assuming Sigewine ||will also be a teamwide DPS, we don't have real info on her kit yet but leaks apparently are saying she's a 5* hydro bow healer so yeah||
covert quest
Yea that was why I was gonna have Jean because team wide heals, I've been working on building her
cold harness
Jean should be enough
Ayato/Furina/Jean/Kazuha should be fine but I doubt it'll be a particularly good team for Ayato
For this specific team though you'd want 4p NO on Jean
cold harness
Ayato/Furina/Jean/Kazuha should be fine but I doubt it'll be a particularly good...
Not better that hyperbloom or soup (Bennett/Fischl/Kazuha)
covert quest
I've just consistently used him with Kazu/XL/Benny, is it still called international when it is with Ayato?
tawny cypress
baizhu is so nuts man
literally gobletless and healing for 9k already
er timepiece too
tawny cypress
Ayato/Furina/Jean/Kazuha should be fine but I doubt it'll be a particularly good...
issue is his a1, mostly
thats only 2 elements, aka 1 reaction
best to replace kazuha with a diff element or higher damage option
cold harness
I've just consistently used him with Kazu/XL/Benny, is it still called internati...
I'd imagine, but I wouldn't say that's one of his best teams
Unless your XL isn't C4+, his E duration won't last even half of XL's burst
cold harness
baizhu is so nuts man
I see a goblet there :P
cold harness
issue is his a1, mostly
thats only 2 elements, aka 1 reaction
A1?
cold harness
tawny cypress
and yeah the +0 4* goblet 🔥
covert quest
? What
cold harness
We're talking about Ayato
covert quest
Unless your XL isn't C4+, his E duration won't last even half of XL's burst
I have most of my 4 stars at C6 except for newer characters
tawny cypress
i saw furina jean and my thought was exclusively neuv lmao
covert quest
My characters here
cold harness
I just personally don't recommend Ayato in national, there are better options than him, like Childe, XQ, even Neuv is better afaik
tawny cypress
furina ayato seems a bit goofy
im sure its fine, but ayato's uptime is just so scuffed
cold harness
i saw furina jean and my thought was exclusively neuv lmao
Tbf Furina+Jean/Baizhu will be the core of most of Furina teams, imo xD
tawny cypress
12s rotations line up with literally nobody in the game
except chongyun
and diluc keqing ig
cold harness
Ayato works best imo in soup and hyperbloom
covert quest
With double Anemo its a slightly shorter cooldown 
tawny cypress
the issue is moreso that its too short lol
cold harness
Or rather, very quickswap-y teams overall
tawny cypress
rotations are like, minimum 15s
usually 20s these days
if youre running a 15s rotation with ayato that means youre just flat out wasting 3s per rotation
cold harness
I wouldn't use Ayato in a national variation without XQ/Yelan, and even then, there are better options in his place
If you want to use Ayato, imo just go soup/hyperbloom, which is what I do (Ayato is actually one of my most used chars in abyss, and has been for like a year by now xD)
Ayato's soup rotation is actually longer than average
I don't remember exactly how long but you do 2 Es per rotation
dreamy crater
I run ayato in national :P
cold harness
I still don't recommend it, at least not as the solo hydro :P
covert quest
I've been using Ayato consistently for abyss since his release in national
cold harness
Not that he's awful at it (though you will be vaping less than half of XL's burst), but there are just a plethora of better options than him
dreamy crater
really? I thought he was decent at it
covert quest
I was just wondering if I should pull for Furina since I find her silly, but I do not want to immediately bench her, I rather use the characters I pull for
dreamy crater
I don't remember exactly how long but you do 2 Es per rotation
prob 25s long since fischl is there
tawny cypress
furina is one of the best characters in the game
seems like it would not be controversial to say top 3
cold harness
XL's burst at C4+ is 14 seconds, his E lasts 6 seconds
cold harness
prob 25s long since fischl is there
Yeah, around that iirc
covert quest
furina is one of the best characters in the game
Yea I just don't really have the characters that benefit the best from Furina
tawny cypress
(pretty much every character in the game)
shes like yelan but with more support and damage when both c0r0
aka everything yelan does
and shes not restricted to NA spammers either
azure garden
anyone have a list of the repeated/unused achievements?
dreamy crater
w a little less consistent app
cold harness
She has lower hydro app than Yelan, and forces to run a teamwide healer though
tawny cypress
yeah
its not a downside too often unless youre a hutao batchester
and its like, a positive in a lot of situations
like the wrio melt furina forward vap team
cold harness
Furina teams you do kinda have to build around her, so she definitely isn't as versatile
dreamy crater
its not a downside too often unless youre a hutao batchester
Tao team now has a healer. seriously
tawny cypress
since wrio can melt without removing pyro aura and then furina can just get a full forward vap off the rest of the aura
cold harness
Yeah, Bain-Marie Wrio turned out pretty well xD
tawny cypress
thats the lower damage variant
i seriously hoped that bennett would not be as good with furina as he is
but alas
furina eq > bennett qe > third support > mdps for ~10s
works extremely well
cold harness
Furina is definitely good but idk, I personally wouldn't put her top 3. Close, yeah, but imo not top 3. Healer restriction is imo significant enough to not put her there. (And even with a teamwide healer, some characters will be more fragile while on field, and while this is more of a skill thing mostly, it's still a relevant enough point xD)
cold harness
i seriously hoped that bennett would not be as good with furina as he is
Wouldn't say he is extremely good though
You need a quickswap team for him to heal most people plus there's the restriction of 70% HP
tawny cypress
not really
cold harness
He is good, but definitely not extremely good
tawny cypress
like, if a support has 15-18k hp, and bennett heals 7k per tick
he is 1 tick healing the support from 50 -> 100%
and himself
cold harness
Unless you have C1+ Furina ig, specially C2, but at C2 you're not as restricted
tawny cypress
and then he's keeping the mdps constantly healing and dropping
it just all stacks up very fast
its basically 200 stacks right off the bat
cold harness
like, if a support has 15-18k hp, and bennett heals 7k per tick
he is 1 tick hea...
Not really to 100%, unless on some specific cases where the char is very close to 70% but not 70% xD
tawny cypress
cold harness
Also the rest of the team will be perpetually 50%? HP
So second rotation onwards you're not gaining anything from the rest of the team
tawny cypress
yeah but theyre not on the field to take damage anyways
once you're stacked up it hardly matters
you lose the 1.4x multiplier on furina (down to 1.1x) but you gain bennett's buff
and bennett can proc overheals pretty consistently too because of the incoming healing bonus
which means the whole team gets trickle heals from furina a1
like i REALLY did not expect it to work as well as it does
but it do
dreamy crater
What's your Bennett built w
cold harness
and bennett can proc overheals pretty consistently too because of the incoming h...
I wouldn't say that it's as easily
But I'm assuming you're assuming purely support Bennett build here xD
tawny cypress
ive seen some people cooking up maidens bennett to double down on the whole healing part
this clip is noblesse though
covert quest
furina eq > bennett qe > third support > mdps for ~10s
So Ayato, Furina, Kazu/Jean, Bennett instead?
cold harness
Yeah, I'm not farming Maiden's for my Bennett, who already juggles between Instructor's and NO xD
tawny cypress
yeah i shant be bothered to do it
tawny cypress
anyways
yeah a bennett doesnt stack up as fast as baizhu or jean, but you do still reach max stacks with some time to spare, and bennett obviously buffs a lot more than either of them do
along with providing much more aggressive on field healing
its pretty viable
cold harness
And tbh I have very little incentive to run Bennett and Furina together anyways, particularly not for Wanderer as my current Thoma Bennett Faruzan team works very well xD
dim bluff
anyways
yeah a bennett doesnt stack up as fast as baizhu or jean, but you *do* s...
Idk man, I just want Ayato dripping the scene
dreamy crater
itto albedo furina Bennett time?
cold harness
anyways
yeah a bennett doesnt stack up as fast as baizhu or jean, but you *do* s...
This is assuming you're running an ATK based char though
tawny cypress
ofc
i mean there arent many alternatives for on fielders rn
hutao is atk scaling and likes the rotation talked about above
neuv is already the best healer for himself imaginable so its strictly about healing the team anyways
and uh, on field yelan ig?
on field koko is her own healer and already sac'ing dps for comfort
like it just applies to most chars who would want a healer to begin with
alhaitham really likes bennett
cold harness
I don't like running Haitham with Bennett at all myself
tawny cypress
cold harness
For me, Wrio is the only I'd consider running with Bennett*, and I'm running him with Baizhu anyways
dreamy crater
I'm considering running furina with a bunch of teams
covert quest
alhaitham really likes bennett
Probably because he is generally built with EM so he benefits a lot from the atk bonus
tawny cypress
but yeah, for wrio, bennett is the much higher damage variant
not only because its bennett for wrio, but also its bennett for xiangling
cold harness
These are contests I assume specifically looking to max DMG, not necessarily about how practical/good to use the team is in general. Now I don't think those teams are anywhere close to dysfunctional, but ig I avoid playing circle Impact in general lmao
tawny cypress
https://streamable.com/2rzgxq with gear
cold harness
For instance, I've always refused to play Xiao with Bennett as well
tawny cypress
These are contests I assume specifically looking to max DMG, not necessarily abo...
yeah i mean, its harbinger alhaitham in the 4 cost team
speedrun competitions do be pushing things to the limit
but as far as healers for haitham goes, bennett doesnt actually have much competition
baizhu doesnt do much since haitham already supplies all the dendro app you could need
and baizhu a4 is literally like a 1-2% dps increase
its basically non existant
cold harness
Baizhu brings a buff and consolidates support for him, and allows me to play hyperbloom on both sides lmao
And again though, as I said, I generally dislike playing Circle Impact
dreamy crater
I'm just watching this convo as someone who hasn't played around with Furina
cold harness
XL+Bennett isn't much of an issue because XL's buffs snapshots, so you don't need to stand on the circle much
dreamy crater
(also when did you get a new pfp)
cold harness
Me? Around 2 weeks ago iirc xD
tawny cypress
Baizhu brings a buff and consolidates support for him, and allows me to play hyp...
his buff is basically a non factor outside of cyno teams, like i was saying :P
cold harness
Well,m he does buff both spread and hyperbloom damage
tawny cypress
ill praise baizhu right alongside you but his a4 aint it
cold harness
So I'm fine with him xD
tawny cypress
its only to the on fielder, meaning it doesnt benefit HB unless its electro on field (cyno)
cold harness
But yeah, I agree his buff isn't the main point of his kit, but still contributes. His buff was enough for him to be a better option than ZL's shred, in my case at least
cold harness
It adds to it, yeah
He also doesn't force you to play circle impact which is highly appreciated
Specially considering Haitham is a slightly more mobile than average character (I mean, not incredibly mobile, but his E can help bridging the space between scattered mobs which aren't too uncommon since he usually doesn't run CC)
tawny cypress
on an unrelated note
honestly i feel like im leaning towards "neuv is literally twice as good as the next best dps despite what sheets say"
cold harness
I wouldn't go that far
tawny cypress
like i was farming the baizhu boss using alhaitham and it was like, 40ish second clears
i swapped to neuv and it was maybe 15 seconds
and alhaitham is him
as far as dps are concerned
granted its c1r1 (neuv) vs c0r1
tawny cypress
alhaitham furina bennett kazuha
vs neuv furina baizhu charlotte (all 4 of my unraised characters that im farming friendship xp for)
well neuv is plenty raised at this point
but its my fr xp team
you know what i mean
cold harness
Did you consider Apep's dendro resistance though
tawny cypress
not the weekly
cold harness
What's Baizhu's boss again
tawny cypress
the triple shield abyss guy
baizhu's ability to apply dendro without "spending" his uptime was the majority of that difference, to be clear
its just that baizhu got him down "before" the first phase and then neuv's dps is fast enough to one phase
where my alhaitham had to 2 phase
cold harness
Well, idk xD I'm 95% sure I took less than 40 seconds on that boss on Haitham, but hp/pure quicken (if you will xD)
I usually either run Haitham/Nahida/Kuki/Yelan (when I don't need Nahida on the other side of abyss, or in general overworld) or Haitham/EM Raiden/Baizhu/Yelan
I've been doing Kuki/XQ/Yelan/Haitham for this abyss though, because I'm doing Ganyu melt first half
tawny cypress
it is outside of abyss, just so we're on the same page :P
was farming the boss mats
cold harness
Ye ye, ik xD
tawny cypress
im down 10 fragile these last 2 days just farming bosses 
i try to stay around 30 at all times but im at like 15 rn
cold harness
I'm just saying that my usual Haitham teams tend to shred everything ridiculously fast lmao
cold harness
For me, Wrio is the only I'd consider running with Bennett*, and I'm running him...
Also here, I just realised I typed Furina instead of Bennett, I'm considering more teams with Furina, not just Wrio lmao
tawny cypress
ok that makes more sense
i didnt put too much stock into that message when you said it
cold harness
I apparently didn't pay much attention at what I was writing lmao
tawny cypress
mental typo, as i call em
cold harness
Yup
tawny cypress
just yesterday i reversed "have" and "dont have"
literally could not have said more opposite the thing that i meant
cold harness
Hate it when I end up typing/saying the opposite of what I was thinking
cold harness
literally could not have said more opposite the thing that i meant
Have had that happen xD
tall thorn
umm is this a bug
it's just green algae, give it a good wash
rigid tangle
ohh ok thanks!!!
tall thorn
you may try to scrub it with some intertwined fates too
rigid tangle
I AHE5 TIGHANRI SO MCUHS SHSNM AOBS
cold harness
At least he's one of the better chars to lose 50/50 to, could've been a Dehya or a Qiqi
Imo the best chars to lose 50/50 rn are Jean (if you have Furina), Tighnari, Mona and Keqing
Tighnari gets extra points because he shows Sumeru specialties in the map lmao
dreamy crater
eh
but they lost their 5050 for furina
so...
your "if you have furina" is kinda...
cold harness
Yeah, not a good thing overall, but my view is that it could've been worse xD
Ah yeah, true that
Was gonna add that she is still decent without her but got lazy
cold harness
But then again, tbh, it's been a while since I used Jean xD
dreamy crater
the last time I used jean was when it was baptist in abyss and I ran burgeon Tao :P
cold harness
I usually ran Jean with Xiao, but I stopped using Xiao even for floors 9-11 in favour of using Ayato (I like him better lmao) and lately Itto
dreamy crater
itto hmm
my itto never had enough dmg to feel good
mainly cuz his circlet was absolute garbage
cold harness
My Itto does good but haven't played him in F12 tbf
dreamy crater
(cd circ with a bunch of hp%)
cold harness
And tbh I just finished building him last patch lmao
Husk was a nightmare, he could still use some work but I'm not going back to Husk any time soon
dreamy crater
he has too much er
cold harness
It was particularly annoying because I'm running friendship teams
cold harness
(cd circ with a bunch of hp%)
Oof
My Itto, for instance xD
Circlet is awful but yeah
dreamy crater
cold harness
ER is a bit low as well but unless it's a boss it's usually enough, with Fav Exile Gorou
dreamy crater
I think you can see what I mean by too much er
cold harness
Ahh true, didn't see the sands
Find it funny that we both are running similar-ish glad goblets xD
My poor Albedo has no DEF% rolls at all
cold harness
Damn xD Still pretty fine tbh
True lmao
I'd say yours is slightly better due to that DEF% lol
cold harness
Mine was a 4-liner which makes it worse lol
dreamy crater
more flat hp lol
cold harness
but my itto...he needs saving
Time to strongbox Husk lmao
cold harness
more flat hp lol
Yeah, more salt in the wound xD
dreamy crater
I'm strongboxing vv for a cr circlet for jean, but
honestly full atk% is quite comfy
but she has no cr
so...
I just got my 3rd set of em vv
cold harness
I don't remember what my Jean is using x'D
Probs ATK/anemo/CR but iirc her build is pretty meh
Iirc she's just under 50% even with the CR circlet
cold harness
I just got my 3rd set of em vv
Not a bad thing tbh xD
cold harness
but she has no cr
Fav I pressume? xD
I've had her on Amenoma for ages
Probs will switch her to Skyward
lament galleon
fav jean is easy choice
skyward if u hav it is fine too
decent base atk with er sub
cold harness
I have a lvl 1 Skyward sitting that I'd like to not feel as bad about it lmao
lament galleon
jean is better holder of fav than both of those
cold harness
I'm personally not gonna switch Bennett off Sapwood so yeah xD
lament galleon
skyward jean is relly good
i like it
very comfy stats
she just wants atk and er anyway
cold harness
Now if I could find a use for my R2 Skyward Pride...
dreamy crater
jean is better holder of fav than both of those
ehhhhh
lament galleon
theres nothing else that benefits jean, but kazuha and furina both have weapons they can actually benefit a lot from thats not fav
cold harness
she just wants atk and er anyway
Yup, I do see the benefit from Fav but yeah xD Idk if I have an extra Fav and I just wanna use Skyward
lament galleon
oh that was an argument for skyward being good ater
cold harness
beidou likes pride
Yeah, issue is I haven't built Beidou there xD considering though tbh but yeah
lament galleon
i like skyward jean
lament galleon
my furina doesnt even want 4gt
dreamy crater
my furina does
lament galleon
my gt pieces r so mid
dreamy crater
so
lament galleon
optimizer says 2/2 is better
dreamy crater
mine are good except the circlet
cold harness
theres nothing else that benefits jean, but kazuha and furina both have weapons ...
Personally will probably run Fav on Furina anyways because the team I'll mostly be using her in has very high ER requirements (Baizhu/Nahida, Wrio, Thoma/Bennett)
lament galleon
if i lower er req maybe itll find 4gt
it sounds like those teams all hav better fav holders
cold harness
oh that was an argument for skyward being good ater
Ye ye ik, I was just saying that Fav can be nice to have due to the benefits for the whole team but I'll probs be sticking to Skyward xD
dreamy crater
lament galleon
baizhu and nahida r both very good fav holders, and thoma too
thas not a bad hat at all
dreamy crater
my nahida does hold fav
lament galleon
er good
cold harness
Tbh I don't wanna modify their builds
dreamy crater
thas not a bad hat at all
just not good for fleuve cuz of overcrit
lament galleon
o ic
cold harness
Baizhu would need an entirely different build because he has no CR
dreamy crater
cuz fleuve gives cr to skill dmg
cold harness
Thoma kinda needs Tassel because he's in 4p Instructor's so lower HP from artefacts (and the 5* artefact he has is ER sands)
dreamy crater
if that cr circ was cd it would've been amazing
lament galleon
i dont like instructor
unless u can snapshot it, which u cant really in most teams, it runs out way too fast
its only 6s
u can barely attack like twice after setup before it runs out
for ganyu instructor bennet u can only shoot once just barely with good cancels in setup
cold harness
It works fine enough with Tao, ime
Either way, it's not like Thoma can run something like 4p NO (well, he can, but yeah lmao)
Most of the teams I run him in don't benefit much from it or already have someone else running NO
dreamy crater
rational has Bennett running instructor, which XL snapshots quite easily
xq prob also has his Es in that time
slim marsh
Exploring Fontaine is so much fun that I forgot to continue AQ. Balladeer is still forgotten.
warped rune
How bored am i?
Im so bored i did my ayaka a hydro
😭😭😭
BWHAAHAHHAHAH
She did a good damage tho
Im happy wit it
If y'all got candace try it
Works with every melee character
lament galleon
nice lol
cold harness
i still like nobless more in there tho
He runs NO on Xingqiu
dreamy crater
i still like nobless more in there tho
my xq is on noblesse so
lol
didnt read what ater sent
fresh egret
covert quest
1 primo 😭
thorn viper
i still like nobless more in there tho
Noblesse is nice but it really depends on your team
If your team needs constant hydro application use severed fate set, if you're aiming for heavy dmg and low cost then ig you can go Noblesse?
thorn viper
Oh right
Definitely Noblesse for bennet, I still run Noblesse bennet in a hutao and furina team for the extra dmg for shits and giggles
Don't recommend noblesse for this unless you want snapshot dmg tho
thorn viper
Bennet still rocks in a furina team
You can quick switch with him since his heals are insane
You're gonna need his c1 for full potential tho
dreamy crater
C6 :P
lament galleon
cos he needs a lot more healing
im running 2clam 2esf rn
for mroe healing more er
thorn viper
As long as he heals 3.5k per tick he's golden
cold harness
3.5k seems rather low for a Furina team
cold harness
Don't recommend noblesse for this unless you want snapshot dmg tho
Who are you snapshotting on a Tao Furina team though
thorn viper
For me it's enough since I don't want too much bc of hutao
cold harness
In this case just don't run Furina though
Running Furina with Tao usually means disregarding Tao's passive about being under 50%
thorn viper
Who are you snapshotting on a Tao Furina team though
I'm building them all to burst so I can do chain bursts with insane dmg
cold harness
Furina doesn't do damage with her burst and her minions don't scale off ATK
Not like her E snapshots anyways
thorn viper
Running Furina with Tao usually means disregarding Tao's passive about being und...
Yep, in my case tho Hutao is my only viable dps for now so I'm making use of furina's constant hp drain and vaporize
cold harness
Hope you're running XQ or Yelan as the fourth then xD
thorn viper
My team rn Goes
Tao Xq Furina Beny/Dendro Mc
If it's for bosses beny, for domains then Dendro mc
cold harness
DMC instead of Bennett doesn't make sense at all
You won't be getting much of Furina's buff due to no healing other than Tao's burst and the occasional XQ's swords
thorn viper
Wouldn't say, since E.r+Em Dmc does alot of burgeons, and I'm not quick switching in domains unlike my bennet team
thorn viper
is her alignment damage atk scaling?
She scales on hp
tawny cypress
thats not what i asked
her normal attacks scale off of atk
but idk about her alignment damage
cold harness
Wouldn't say, since E.r+Em Dmc does alot of burgeons, and I'm not quick switchin...
You won't get a lot of burgeon due to burning
thorn viper
Hp.
thorn viper
You won't get a lot of burgeon due to burning
The burn doesn't happen
tawny cypress
just checked, it scales off of attack
then i rest my case, atk/hydro/crit using 4mh
thorn viper
Bc of furina's constant hydro application
tawny cypress
this is the defacto furina build
thorn viper
The Ousia bubble? Last time I checked it was Hp scaling
cold harness
The burn doesn't happen
It does happen because of Tao's pyro application
Also, Furina's hydro app is rather inconsistent
thorn viper
It does happen because of Tao's pyro application
Burn happens like 2/10 times
If I get my rotation wrong
cold harness
The Ousia bubble? Last time I checked it was Hp scaling
It's ATK like Balakin said
thorn viper
Burgeon superiority
cold harness
I mean... sure man, sure xD
hot fiber
burngeon
thorn viper
I make sure to use hydro first so Dmc's burst interacts with hydro so it can extend its range
cold harness
That has no relation to how elemental gauges work though xD
thorn viper
By that time there's more than enough cores existing
cold harness
Though ig C6 XQ plus what hydro Furina brings might be enough to prevent burning up to a point
cold harness
By that time there's more than enough cores existing
What about the rest of the rotation lmao
thorn viper
It's usually furina e+burst+dmc burst, xq e+burst+e+Hutao burst
If I fk it up I lose all the dmg IMMIDIATELY
cold harness
I mean the rest of the rotation with Tao on field
dreamy crater
burst at the start of the rotation...hmm
cold harness
Yeah, but at this point I'm assuming a full EM Tao
Because otherwise it makes no sense xD
thorn viper
Yep, no choice to build anything else since my only good weapon is dragons bane
cold harness
Effectively, Furina isn't doing anything
dreamy crater
fr
cold harness
Kinda same as Tao, as you could put virtually any pyro char there with pyro AoE xD
cold harness
Yep, no choice to build anything else since my only good weapon is dragons bane
Also, fyi, DB is very good on a regular Tao build/team
cold harness
No need to build full EM Tao and basically disregard her whole team just to have her trigger burgeon xD
thorn viper
Problem is Bennet can't burst as strong as hutao
cold harness
bennet is better than hutao there
Was thinking this xD
cold harness
Problem is Bennet can't burst as strong as hutao
At this point he can
lament galleon
ur hutao isnt strong at all right now lmao
cold harness
You're bursting Tao without E
So her damage is already scuffed
If she is actually full EM (though at this point I'm not sure you get what full EM is, aka all EM artefacts), her burst damage will be very low anyways
thorn viper
ur hutao isnt strong at all right now lmao
Considering Db is on r1, hell yes
lament galleon
my bennet slaps for about 20k burst on support set
dreamy crater
Considering Db is on r1, hell yes
I cleared abyss with wtassel tao, so shut
lament galleon
wtf
thorn viper
my bennet slaps for about 20k burst on support set
Just 20k?
thorn viper
Em hutao is much better without a good crit weapon
cold harness
Yeah, my own Bennett does around 50k? iirc, on a support scuffed build xD
cold harness
Em hutao is much better without a good crit weapon
Again, DB is very good on her
thorn viper
Doubt
lament galleon
maybe thats a vape
thorn viper
Again, DB is very good on her
Exactly
thorn viper
Can't wait for that rerun
lament galleon
pure em hutao is so cope lol
cold harness
maybe thats a vape
I thought this was implicit xD
thorn viper
Either melt or vape
lament galleon
im doing 40k on vape then
cold harness
It's very rare I ever don't do some sort of reaction on Bennett's burst xD
lament galleon
lemme see what i do with my healer set
cold harness
At some point he did more but ended up stealing his goblet and sands iirc
lament galleon
15k on healer set
dreamy crater
pure em hutao is so cope lol
fr
cold harness
pure em hutao is so cope lol
And this, absolutely xD
There is 0 reason to ever run that
I was reaching 100k CAs on DB Tao back in the day
lament galleon
for dbane u build hp/pyro/crit
cold harness
No reason to not run her normally
dreamy crater
I was reaching 100k CAs on DB Tao back in the day
(ater plays vv vape Tao)
thorn viper
I ran DB for ages before getting Homa
The bad part is I didn't know how to play until just about a month ago, so I upgraded the wrong characters, wrong artifacts that newbie ass typa shit
lament galleon
vv kinda hard
thorn viper
Good thing db is in the banner rn
cold harness
(ater plays vv vape Tao)
Ye, something like double hydro will deal lower CA damage, but honestly not by thaat much, and it's easier to play
thorn viper
I absolutely need that r5
cold harness
vv kinda hard
Depends on rotation tbh
lament galleon
surely double hydro is also just higher team dmg
dreamy crater
surely
thorn viper
That's why I run Furina and Xq
cold harness
I do usually play a harder version due to doing double swirl with XQ, Thoma (on Instructor's) and Sucrose
lament galleon
dang
thorn viper
Got no choice since my only other hydro is barbara
lament galleon
that sounds annoying to setup
cold harness
That's why I run Furina and Xq
I meant Yelan and XQ
Furina Tao generally wants either Jean or Bennett
And it's a regular non-meme build
thorn viper
I meant Yelan and XQ
I'm broke🤓
dreamy crater
... okay
cold harness
that sounds annoying to setup
Sometimes, but it's not that hard once you get used to it (Kazuha version is much harder xD)
lament galleon
i do like 60k vapes
thorn viper
Meme builds are the only things I can cling on until I actually get good pieces on my crimson sets
thorn viper
i do like 60k vapes
On Ca's?
lament galleon
yea
thorn viper
The best I get is 50k
dreamy crater
I currently do 124k
cold harness
surely double hydro is also just higher team dmg
In my case I doubt this, because my Yelan on my main account is very very scuffed, haven't farmed for EoSF in ages xD
cold harness
My Tao is on SR on my main
thorn viper
I tried shimenawa on hutao, boring asf man
lament galleon
cw hutao isnt even more damage
thorn viper
No offense bro
cold harness
I will go back to SR/EoSF one day, but rn I'm doing GT/MH
dreamy crater
I tried shimenawa on hutao, boring asf man
CW Tao doesn't give you a new playstyle
cold harness
cw hutao isnt even more damage
My EU Tao has a much better CW set that I could get a SR set anyways xD
Same with my Yoi
lament galleon
the act of farming cw is actively harming ur investment lol
cold harness
I do like CW better due to not sacrificing burst damage
thorn viper
CW Tao doesn't give you a new playstyle
I'm clinging on cw since it gives me the best dmg rn, mostly bc of my double hydro sub dps
lament galleon
I do like CW better due to not sacrificing burst damage
its not even mroe damage
cold harness
the act of farming cw is actively harming ur investment lol
I'm no longer farming it lmao
dreamy crater
I play shim double hydro
cold harness
It's been ages since I did
lament galleon
the dmg u gain from shime is almost as much as the burst
cold harness
I never said it was more damage
thorn viper
And let's be honest, without jean I'm not gona utilize the ousia form e of furina
lament galleon
and if burst brings u above 50% hp u lose more damaeg
dreamy crater
I wonder if my shim set is enough not to farm MH for now
lament galleon
i think cw is more annoying in that ur forced to burst every rotation unless u want to lose damaeg
cold harness
CW and SR damage are basically equal, just distributed differently
zenith swift
this is the most random thing ever https://fxtwitter.com/yume2000__/status/1723994678297764338?t=mk-GEAk3cpLI_1VmvTcjzQ&s=19
lament galleon
wtf
thorn viper
i think cw is more annoying in that ur forced to burst every rotation unless u w...
Honestly yeah I hate that part
lament galleon
shime doesnt make u do anything, u have to E regardless
cold harness
Honestly yeah I hate that part
How do you hate it if you play a meme burgeon Tao
thorn viper
Shimenawa was cheap but boring tho
dreamy crater
...
thorn viper
How do you hate it if you play a meme burgeon Tao
I go by what I can man, unlike you guys with Billions of hours on gi😭
cold harness
Shimenawa was cheap but boring tho
There is virtually no difference between playing SR or CW Hu Tao, if you're playing her normally
thorn viper
Deffo gotta spend, I'm too left behind
lament galleon
we've been trying to tell u that what you can is a lot better than what u r running
cold harness
I go by what I can man, unlike you guys with Billions of hours on gi😭
My question is how do you hate CW's playstyle if you don't play it lmao
thorn viper
Yep
dreamy crater
kek
thorn viper
Only vape
thorn viper
My question is how do you hate CW's playstyle if you don't play it lmao
I do play it tho, the burgeon is for extra dmg output and the cw buff goes for my xq+tao
cold harness
oh yea cw doesnt even buff burgeon
thorn viper
BAHAHAHAHHAHA
covert quest
Yea just like the electro set
cold harness
Only vape
It never buffed only vape though
It has always buffed overloaded, vape and melt
thorn viper
Aight aight aight atleast now I actually know that I should invest on dmc
lament galleon
pretty sure raw em just gives u more than that 4pc bonus for burgeon
thorn viper
probly go goated dreams
Goated? Oh
cold harness
I do play it tho, the burgeon is for extra dmg output and the cw buff goes for m...
Question then is why are you running that team at all, DMC will make you lose vapes to burning due to Tao's pyro application while on her E
thorn viper
It has always buffed overloaded, vape and melt
Yes I know
lament galleon
but its still cope af on hutao
thorn viper
But for my team only burgeon and vape reactions exist
thorn viper
but its still cope af on hutao
It is what it is
lament galleon
the burgeon part is harming the vape part
cold harness
But for my team only burgeon and vape reactions exist
I promise this is not the case
Not after you're on fielding Tao on E
lament galleon
just play normal hutao and like a hyperbloom team instead
cold harness
It is what it is
If you're tuly that new and you're this commited to running burgeon Tao, farming GD/DW is a much much much better idea
lament galleon
dmc barbara lisa makes for a good early game hyperbloom core
look to replace lisa with kuki cos lisa is kinda annoying to play
thorn viper
I don't wanna be all on vape, I just want it for uuhh shits and giggles, I actually have a team for Hutao+Xq purely for Hutao fielding
cold harness
You do you, at the end of the day, it's a single player game xD
thorn viper
Real
cold harness
I don't wanna sound rude here but I'd recommend abstaining from giving advice if you don't fully understand the game though
Also, don't give advice based on assumptions of meme builds that are not recommended at all
thorn viper
No worries, all of my friends are seasoned players and I've already done the maximum amount of grinding for now. Just doing burgeon for purely the experience
Cuz why not
lament galleon
hutao is really not the char to be doing it with
bennet is a decent char to cook with
razor is spicy
cold harness
I say this because a lot of people (especially people asking for advice) don't really know better, so if you tell them to do things that are very far from optimal or just straight up wrong, they won't realise it
thorn viper
Wait hold on
Does spread add the amount of dendro cores or just the dendro application itself?
lament galleon
spread has nothign to do with cores
spread is what happens when dendro is applied on top of a quicken aura
thorn viper
Bc if it does I'll make a kuki+bennet+dmc+furina build
lament galleon
that is a burning vape furina team
two healers does sound enough
so it'll probably clear
doesnt sound particularly good tho
but its a decent beginner cook
thorn viper
Bc if it does I'll make a kuki+bennet+dmc+furina build
Abyss*
cold harness
No worries, all of my friends are seasoned players and I've already done the max...
I mean in general servers though xD
Like here
lament galleon
nobody is snapshotting anything between hutao and furina lol
cold harness
Hence why I quoted that xD
lament galleon
nobless is kinda mid there cos hutao can barely use it and furina isnt doing anyting with it
i woul just go full healing on bennet
with bennet as sole healer and furina eating all of ur hp u really need the healing
thorn viper
Em and Healing bonus on bennet if I wanna burgeon tho
cold harness
that is a burning vape furina team
Unless they're on fielding Bennett or have him C6 there won't be that much pyro aside from the original burst though, so ig there's that, but it's a very scuffed hyperbloom team that has Bennett for basically no reason xD
Other than maybe help with Furina's buff but yeah
lament galleon
not much pyro but the dendro is basically pyro
bcos once u proc burning its so hard to stop it
cold harness
It'll stop not so long afterwards though
Furina will vape a bit but then it'll be gone
lament galleon
vaping removes the burning but since bennet applies 2U theres underlying pyro which will immedietly proc burning again
thorn viper
My only uhh hydro characters are Xq Furina and Barbara
cold harness
It's not that hard to end up with no burning aura on a melt Ganyu team xD
lament galleon
thats really enough tbh
thorn viper
So the choices here are very oow
lament galleon
barbara very underrated
cold harness
It's not that hard to end up with no burning aura on a melt Ganyu team xD
(With Nahida btw) (Well, full team is Bennett, Ganyu, Nahida and ZL)
thorn viper
barbara very underrated
Lemme guess, Occ build
cold harness
(With Nahida btw) (Well, full team is Bennett, Ganyu, Nahida and ZL)
So same principle from Bennett
lament galleon
(With Nahida btw) (Well, full team is Bennett, Ganyu, Nahida and ZL)
burnmelt is dehya instead of zhongli
cold harness
If I'm being too fast with Ganyu's CAs I end up with no burning aura at like the third shot
I refuse to build Dehya
lament galleon
or if u wanna go hard then kazuha in that slot
which is the highest damage ganyu team rn
but lack of shielder makes using it hard
cold harness
I sometimes do Kazuha but it's not practical 99% of the time
lament galleon
so its more of a speedrun team yea
thorn viper
sac instructors go hard
They fr are not gona make a 5 star version of instructors
cold harness
They fr are not gona make a 5 star version of instructors
I do wish they'd do
Exile also needs a 5* version imo
lament galleon
idk if id actually use exile if it was 5 star
cold harness
We even got a 5* version of that artefact set that also buffed skill damage
thorn viper
Deffo would run it for battery
cold harness
Unless I'm misremembering lmao
cold harness
idk if id actually use exile if it was 5 star
Tbf it'd have to be better than current Exile
But yeah, maybe not thaaat many uses
thorn viper
barbara dont care about stats
How should I build her
cold harness
Barbara on hyperbloom ain't triggering anything so doesn't matter much
I'd just go with something like triple HP just for the convenience
cold harness
I'd say HB circlet but I don't usually save those lmao
lament galleon
wtf u have kuki
dmc barb kuki trio is a fire hyperbloom team
dont even need a 4th
thorn viper
Dmc and barb?bet
cold harness
At this point I'm assuming they want to run Tao no matter what
thorn viper
That's cheap as f
cold harness
Hence the burgeon Tao
lament galleon
r5 sac gives her 100% uptime on aoe hydro app to make a ton of seeds
without r5 u just hav less uptime, shes still good
just less aoe seeds
thorn viper
Wait you can forge sac right
lament galleon
no lol
cold harness
No
lament galleon
i wish
thorn viper
💀
lament galleon
she just eats so much hp
furina drains what like 5% per char per sec? if ur chars hav like avg 30khp thats uhh 6000 hp per sec u gotta heal back across ur team
that is a LOT
thorn viper
Hell no that's expensive
cold harness
None of the Sac catalysts are forgeable lmao
thorn viper
furina drains what like 5% per char per sec? if ur chars hav like avg 30khp that...
Mm yeah
I've got limited sources for healers that's my only issue
lament galleon
and if u dont meet that healing threshold or dont split it across ur chars evenly enough furina loses all her damage
cos furina gets dmg from eating hp
so if ur below 50% she cant eat the hp and dont get dmg buff
cold harness
Tbh in the state your account is Baizhu might be someone you want to look into getting, since you can't just pull Jean (and you'd benefit from more dendro, but Nahida exists for that)
thorn viper
Hoping to lose my 50/50 on Jean
cold harness
He isn't kinda niche tbh
lament galleon
im expecting him to lose relevancy unless u play alhaitham
cold harness
Alhaitham? He's best for Cyno xD
lament galleon
cyno kinda mid
cold harness
He's pretty good for Haitham ye but Cyno gains significantly more from him
lament galleon
alhaitham furina baizhu go hard
cold harness
Cyno isn't mid XD
thorn viper
Next banner is mega mid
cold harness
I thought at this point people would stop believing Cyno is mid so I'm kinda surprised
thorn viper
Ayato is getting dogshowed bc he got outshined by Neuvi
lament galleon
cyno's best team does like a bit over 1mil dpr
thorn viper
Powercreep
lament galleon
thats only like, baseline good
cold harness
I'm just waiting for Haran personally, will eventually get C2 Ayato but want his signature first
cold harness
cyno kinda mid
@tawny cypress I think you're better explaining than I am xD
thorn viper
Idk about cyno but Baizhu doesn't and wont benefit me as much
tawny cypress
i talk to godlander a lot
lament galleon
iv spoken to balkin abou it a lot in GO
tawny cypress
he knows better by now
cold harness
thats like xiao tier
You're comparing one of the best boss bursters to Xiao? xD
tawny cypress
for the record xiao is unironically one of the top dps's these days (pre furina at least, no idea how that changed)
post faru
tawny cypress
but yeah cyno actually has very very few caveats in the current day
lament galleon
so he mid
tawny cypress
his team is just great at most things
elemental coverage, bossing, mobbing, and its not even bad for waves anymore post baizhu
tawny cypress
his only "weakness", if you could call it that, is that he holds field time for longer than most traditional carries
cold harness
Good > middle
cold harness
And tbh mid in particular has a connotation that it's bad
tawny cypress
top > great > good > mid > underwhelming > bad
cold harness
It may not be the intended meaning, but most people use mid to mean at least underwhelming
lament galleon
i mean the best comparison i can draw is that my all talent level 1 razor does like, 90% of cyno dmg
thorn viper
It may not be the intended meaning, but most people use mid to mean at least und...
Mid is mid
Actually yeah
People misuse it
dreamy crater
it's just part of internet culture
tawny cypress
i still stand by the notion that cyno is not so much a chararcter that is great to recommend people go out of their way to pull, but is great for those who will pull him
he has a niche where he uniquely excels in a way no other units do, and he's good at many types of content
cold harness
Mid comes from middle like godlander said, but again, vast majority of people, specially in the Genshin community, equates mid to underwhelming or bad
tawny cypress
however, that whole "hard to recommend but great to pull" applies to every good dps unit
thorn viper
Not just gi community
tawny cypress
except haitham and maybe neuv, who ascend beyond that
thorn viper
80% of the people that use mid
lament galleon
well when i say mid i mean he middle
cold harness
except haitham and maybe neuv, who ascend beyond that
Was gonna say this, both Haitham and Neuv are probablt units that good that are fine to recommend in general xD
cold harness
well when i say mid i mean he middle
Even then though, Cyno is better than middle xD
lament galleon
alhaitham definitly better than cyno, by a bit
cold harness
You're just omiting the step between very good/great and middle, which is good
tawny cypress
in terms of sheeted dps, by a bit
in terms of team variety/versatility, by a lot
thorn viper
Kinda good then
tawny cypress
the average haitham team is effectively a top meta team lmao
cold harness
Yeah, Haitham is stupidly versatile
thorn viper
Not too bad not too good = mid
cold harness
Even in his own rotations
tawny cypress
by quite a bit
no
cyno is objectively better than mid by sheeted dps, and he has very few caveats that would actually prevent him from reaching said dps
in fact he's quite good by sheet standards
cold harness
I think Neuv's biggest advantage is that he just doesn't really need buffs
lament galleon
i rate alhaitham at least a tier abov cyno
tawny cypress
yeah thats fair
haitham is a tier above every carry other than neuv rn though
so like
thorn viper
I think Neuv's biggest advantage is that he just doesn't really need buffs
Pure solo character
tawny cypress
thats cyno praise more than anything else lol
cold harness
haitham is a tier above every carry other than neuv rn though
Exactly xD
thorn viper
If only I pulled for him instead 💀
cold harness
Kinda funny to me how the 2 best on field DPS units are both males but yeah xD
thorn viper
i had put alhaitham mid like this
Venti broken?
cold harness
i had put alhaitham mid like this
To even begin thinking about a tier list imo you should start by separating supp, sub DPS/off field DPS and on field DPS
zenith swift
why is zhongli so low
thorn viper
Wait how is mona mid tho
lament galleon
shes too hard to use
cold harness
Mona isn't particularly great
lament galleon
o baizhu should move up to mid at least tru
cold harness
She's very good for damage per screenshot showcases but aside from that has very few uses
lament galleon
furina really raised baizhu stonks a lot
lament galleon
he was too niche before furina imo
cold harness
She raised Mika which is what is actually surprising, imo lmao
cold harness
Baizhu was always good enough, just much more relevant now
thorn viper
Bet, all I need to complete my team is a team healer
tawny cypress
basically cant go wrong with him then
cold harness
hes the luocha of genshin
Actually, good comparison lmao
tawny cypress
i had put alhaitham mid like this
yeah this is a weird ass list icl
tierlist moment
thorn viper
For my 2nd team I can just go barb+dmc+kuki+and my c4 noelle since they're all soft as fuck
cold harness
Tbh it's not really worth it to do tierlists for Genshin, specially not a general tierlist with all characters
Characters can have very different value depending on so many things (though some are just generally very good, like Haitham, Neuv, Kazuha, Nahida, Yelan and Furina*)
thorn viper
Genshin can be played on or off meta, so it doesn't matter as long as the damage is pre-maximized
And some characters only run on specific teams like Itto
cold harness
I'd say a tierlist should generally be meta oriented anyways though
tawny cypress
how many days am i gonna have to farm for a dw hp goblet or hb circlet 
cold harness
HB, for Baizhu?
tawny cypress
its all i need before i can go back to GT slavery
yeah
i dont even need any substats, i have enough ER from my other pieces
i just need the most scuffed ass mainstat
cold harness
Oh gl xD Baizhu on my main could still use some work but I really need to farm GT/MH and EoSF/SR so yeah xD
thorn viper
I'm lacking crit rn, should I run shim or fk with Mh?
tawny cypress
shim is a bait set
bursts are just too important on basically every character (as far as meta rotations are concerned)
thorn viper
I honestly need the burst on my hu tao bc of furina's monstrous hp drain
cold harness
Unfortunately for me, CW just hates me on my main, so going for SR is just better for Tao, and it's not really behind CW anyways
thorn viper
I can switch to pneuma but that would cause me to lose all of furina's value
cold harness
I do personally prefer CW Tao and Yoi though
thorn viper
Then I'm sticking with cw, since all I need is crit rate now
going for a 70% crit rate and 150-170 crit dmg
lament galleon
my list isnt a tier list based on performance
thorn viper
Can't do more than that bc no homa
lament galleon
my list is a "if i didnt have this char, how valuable would they be to pull"
which is why nahida is in her own tier
tawny cypress
ayato ayaka hutao nilou should all be down to mid then
lament galleon
yea i agree with ayato ayaka
thorn viper
I agree
lament galleon
i think hutao nilou still good
tawny cypress
mdps is mdps is mdps
theyre good yes
but they're not very valuable to pull
they have a small set of teams with viable alternatives
thorn viper
Hu tao goes low unless you already have Yelan
cold harness
Hu tao goes low unless you already have Yelan
You don't really need Yelan for Tao
thorn viper
Which is still niche
cold harness
We played Tao a bunch before Yelan was a thing xD
tawny cypress
ganyu and childe probably down to mid too
and maybe venti down
and kokomi also down
thorn viper
Hu tao is tricky to build, and she's really not exerting enough dmg without atleast homa or c1
tawny cypress
eeh, thats not really any of the issues with hutao
she does good damage
and she has great scaling with farm investment
good speedruns
cold harness
they have a small set of teams with viable alternatives
I do agree with this though. I enjoy playing Nilou and she shreds, but definitely wouldn't really recommend pulling her that much, not as much as Haitham, Kazuha or Yelan for sure
Also would put Yae lower
lament galleon
hutao nilou goes with the other okay dpses like xiao wanderer
tawny cypress
my issue with her is that her primary value comes from driving double hydro, which is simply not a special quality
almost any unit can drive double hydro and get great results
lament galleon
i think venti is still a great pull
thorn viper
I mean it's good? I'm hitting 50k on vape on 6 6 4 talents? But I just feel like it's incomplete