💭・general

[desert root]

? and

[rose glacier]

when i say 196 er faruzan works it does.. 3 skills and boom her ults up

[desert root]

3skills for a burst still kinda cope... 😭

someone did calculations, if faruzan without fav/ or funneling/ or E

she needs 512er to get burst in a burst rotation

gasps in xiao

[fluid atlas]

@warped rune Yes.art.

[copper sentinel]

that quite some time

heizou and faruzan is

just

broken

[warped rune]

how to use?

[fluid atlas]

Did you mayyybee Look at that beautiful tubby on your screen?

Doesn't she look pretty just chilling here- all by herself. Not saying anything at all..?

[rotund sun]

You wouldn't know art if it kicked you in the balls. At least I don't ask the same question 30 times and expect a different answer.

You want a 1:2 crit rate ideally, you want as much EM as possible but not more than 1k after buffs, and yes, your builds are garbage right now. Do some research about your characters, farm some artifacts, and maybe learn some social skills while you're at it.

[swift crane]

why even bother answering

ur gonna see another nahida question in a couple days

[rotund sun]

And I'll rip him a new asshole again then too until he gets the damn message.

[swift crane]

well, good luck i guess

[rotund sun]

It's 6 am and I'm grouchy. lmao

[opaque nacelle]

On mobile, just hold down on the message, then click report

[urban hinge]

Can I use this for Raiden?

[fluid atlas]

Yeah

I do

[rotund sun]

It's weaker than the Catch iirc?

[fluid atlas]

Use this on Shogun and catch on XL

[fluid atlas]

marginally

[rotund sun]

Ah. That makes sense.

[urban hinge]

Too lazy to farm the catch

[rotund sun]

It's literally a free weapon that really good. lol

[fluid atlas]

Catch has a sliiightly higher Burst dmg, but this has a good amount of overall damage

Which catch has the 12% CR and more ER and the burst dmg bonus

This is a 5-star and hence higher atk

does give 8% CR aaandd
Idk if the Na speed thingy counts in

[rotund sun]

According to KQM you don't get the attack speed in your burst.

[fresh egret]

?

[rotund sun]

I can't read apparently.

[hot fiber]

reading and comprehension's overrated.

[urban hinge]

Better polearm for cyno?

[fluid atlas]

White Tassel I think

[rotund sun]

If you have an attack sands, Spine is better. If you have an EM sands, Tassel is better.

But it also depends on whether or not you're losing out on a lot of crit rate by using Spine.

[desert root]

cyno is probably getting more value out of white tassel

due to the passive

[covert cradle]

Closest win I had so far

[dreamy crater]

I haven't done TCG PvP yet

[rugged thunder]

What 4*/3* weaps are you guys using on Nahida?

[covert cradle]

Keqing burst OP

[rugged thunder]

Leking

[dreamy tusk]

Is any one offering to give me walkin

[gusty niche]

Help me i can't check-in pity

[rugged thunder]

https://giphy.com/gifs/chill-relax-chillax-hkTXRkfarShjLBQH0v

[floral quiver]

[summer oak]

does anyone wanna add me on america server and help me? im resetting my account and rebuilding everyone

[south radish]

well done

[ionic verge]

Ngl, in 3.3 archon quest

||I wish Scaramouche lost his hat when we first saw him with his new look, memory, and personality, cause that hat is so iconic on him, that it feel like it should be used as representation of his past life, as the fatui harbingers||

||And I would really love the idea of him getting the hat again during nahida dream sequence after absorbing all his past memories, cause it make him whole again, but ye, I guess that part already taken when he got his new vision, his new heart||

[vapid vault]

🗿

[ionic verge]

Wall of text

[dreamy crater]

not un-spoilering that

XD

[wide elk]

Where can I propose stuff? (besides Github Issues)

damn, Sticker is huge

[nimble glacier]

Hi, task list on the website doesnt work ?

[warped rune]

#1020331324315283547 under "Suggestion"

[warped rune]

Nope, already a known bug, #1044942718440329237 (actually maybe not this post but i can't attach the correct one)

[nimble glacier]

alright thx

[wide elk]

ohhh, thx

[silent depot]

Sobbing why does trial xiangling have 135 er 🥹🥹🥹🥹

[lament galleon]

bcos trial gives a ton of energy

[silent depot]

Not in misty dungeons 🥹🥹

Genderfluid aether confirmed 👍

[rotund sun]

Imagine something being translated correctly in Genshin. Couldn't be me.

[remote compass]

Lumine canon confirmed

[warped rune]

LMFAO

bro legit sent an invite to virtual intercourse

[silent depot]

Wat

[jagged flume]

Rate the build, and which artifacts should I change?

[covert cradle]

4/10 not even 6/6/6 talents and you could use an off piece, particularly flower or goblet are pretty weak, since you're missing CR I'd replace the goblet first and try to get a better flower

[gilded shale]

anybody else have troubles with wish counter?

[jagged flume]

I thought goblet with anemo dmg bonus was decent. I guess not

[rotund sun]

Get talents to 8/8/8 (when you get the boss mats), find some crit rate, and get rid of some ER. You have like 40-50% too much right now. If you have a good SR set or 2 VV 2 Glad laying around, use that until you get usable pieces for him from the new domain.

[naive river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/835152740745216040/1051588963497938964/image.png

i was doing singles hoping for faruzzy cons

and instead i got this

thank the hyv gods

never and i mean NEVER

doubting their RNG again

i fr got an early xmas gift

ong

[grave lintel]

Sup guys I wondering how to use paimon moe, well on my android device 🤔

Normally that was easy part doing refresh when website was offline

Now is difficult 😕...

Can u my dears help me ?

[floral quiver]

Finally Madam Ping.

[unique island]

Is there any way currently to auto import wish story on android?

[floral quiver]

Check Pins 📌

[icy kraken]

@floral quiver has leveled up to LEVEL 14

[unique island]

Oh, perfect

[swift crane]

???

[unique island]

Powershell method worked flawlessly, thanks!

[silent depot]

Don't be a tease 🥺

Consider: not spamming 🤔

[south radish]

(impossible)

[warped rune]

I don't get what they mean to achieve saying "FUCK" and flooding the chat

Is that not the guy that repeatedly asks the same stuff and gets pissed off

Idk how accurate that info is tho, just caught that from past encounters

[rotund sun]

They flood the chat with dumb shit all the time. Instead of it being pinging me a thousand times, it is them asking a question they could very easily look up on KQM or accept one of the 20 answers they were given previously.

[lucid root]

How much ER does burst dps xinyan need without sac claymore?

[ancient wave]

How do I check my wishes on the page?? Like, how do I update the whishes?

[swift crane]

its more like he keeps asking the same question, getting an answer, and the cycle repeats a few hrs/days later

this has been going on for a month and a half now

[warped rune]

Same question the whole month and a half?

[swift crane]

similar

its always something about his nahida tho

either what weapon to use or how much em she needs

[warped rune]

Skill issue

[vapid vault]

You are by far the cringiest person i've met in this discord and it is not something to be proud of.

[fiery gyro]

I have seen a ton of rude and cringe people on this server but u are an entire other level

[plucky cargo]

What is happening XD

[fiery gyro]

Is this the cap for tcg for now or am i missing smth

[rotund sun]

Yeah. Have to wait for weekly duels to reset to get enough exp.

[jagged flume]

guess who got told to do the entire packet of HW in all of my classes by my parents that was meant to be spread out over 2-3 weeks... -_-

[vapid vault]

HW?

[jagged flume]

homework

no primo farming for me

[vapid vault]

no offense but ur family out to kill you mentally

[jagged flume]

tell me something I dont know

[vapid vault]

i wish you good luck

[silent depot]

But then you'll get the rest of the 2-3 weeks to genshin

Unless your parents are like mine and make their own exercises to fill the day

[warped rune]

Thank god summer/holidays/end of the year vacation's nearly here

[jagged flume]

thats exactly them. Knowing them im gonna maybe get 1-2 hours of genshin during the 2 week break

[silent depot]

😂😂😂 good luck then

[rose glacier]

yelan or c3 scara

please

[warped rune]

c3 and 5 always suck

and scara's damage comes from na level mainly iirc

skill is just a damage buff on top of that so even worse

tho c3 boosts burst level ig

kqm says increase is bad

5%

[silent depot]

Yelan 💪💪💪

[floral quiver]

I'd grab Yelan, c2 Scara is already good.

[jagged flume]

c0 scara is still great

although I wish I had the time to play

[floral quiver]

Not having scara is also great.

[rose glacier]

c3 mainly bc i like to dmg test him

[jagged flume]

go for yelan

[rose glacier]

but yelan seems a much better option than xinqiu

[jagged flume]

her Q gives a nice dmg bonus for scara

[rose glacier]

mhm

plus he can go faster@bc of hydro

[swift crane]

yelan is better for long renge hydro app

and does more dmg

[rose glacier]

ah ok ok

[swift crane]

xingqiu applies more hydro close range and gives damage res + healing

[rose glacier]

oh

[jagged flume]

I still dont have xingqiu or chongyun

[rose glacier]

uh

then do i really need yelan

if i have xinqiu

[floral quiver]

I Haven't used Xq in 4 months. Xd

[swift crane]

it depends on what team comp ur running

[jagged flume]

or sara, or sucruse, or

[swift crane]

u could also just run both in the same team

yelan also does provide a bit of cc with her skill

shes more just damage oriented

[rose glacier]

ah

[warped rune]

omg i get so mad in co-op when people decide to bring in their lvl 80 keqing that does 2k damage

or the mf'ing C0 SHIELDBOT ZHONGLI

like bro legit doesn't crit and does 900

[floral quiver]

I would do the same.

[warped rune]

like if you choose a dps character we're gonna expect you to be able to dps yk

[floral quiver]

U expect too much tbh

[warped rune]

i played barbara when i didn't have a dps built and i think that was valid. i was useful as a healer, and recognized i couldn't do damage

[swift crane]

me and my shieldbot zhongli that hits 60k meatballs

[warped rune]

playing shieldbot zhongli is just kinda selfish fr

[swift crane]

i dont use him in coop

thats just cringe

[warped rune]

ikr

[floral quiver]

U shouldn't expect anything from anyone.

[swift crane]

i usually bring kokofish to coop tbh

dps koko still heals a ton its funny

[warped rune]

playing healer is totally fine and appreciated, i love it

i mean, i love when others do it. i still play bennett tho

[floral quiver]

I use Zhongli and Ayaka in coop if I have to carry, if not, I use Kazuha and bennet.

[swift crane]

c6 benny in cw domain

[floral quiver]

I want c6 bennet, c5 right now.

[warped rune]

sometimes it's 3 weird players at once. got a team once where there was a ganyu, an ayaka and a shieldbot zhong. and me trusting them and playing bennett

[floral quiver]

Also, Cryo Itto is kinda fun.

[swift crane]

shenhe or bust

[warped rune]

once i got a c2 zhong in coop against azhdaha. that was awesome

and it was a burst support zhong too

[swift crane]

tbh tho

i never really felt the need to do random coop bc difficulty of the domain or anything

[warped rune]

i find it quicker sometimes

[swift crane]

like if i cant do enough dmg just eat food lmao

[floral quiver]

Who use food?

[silent depot]

The only time I did coop domains what to wait for resin a while back

Just helped random ppl

Had to DPS the vinegar domain with a solo healer Benny cus all the babies died lol

It was.... Interesting....

[warped rune]

me

[floral quiver]

[native cosmos]

Guys

Does anyone know how to import data to the tracker

On android?

[north terrace]

Guys should i pull for ayato or wait for 3.4

What characters will rerun in 3.4 anyone have any leaks

[vapid vault]

no clear leaks

except al-haitham and yaoyao

but its first run

[floral quiver]

And Hu Tao

[north terrace]

Yelan might also rerun?

[vapid vault]

its more likely to be hu tao or shenhe

if we go with time

[north terrace]

I see but it might be they all rerun since only al haitham is confirmed

[vapid vault]

eula has no place to rerun there

[vapid vault]

hm could be

but we know that hoyo is quite arbitrary regarding reruns

[north terrace]

Its lantern rite so liyue characters only i guess

[north terrace]

Yeah

[vapid vault]

yea but dont they not allow death in chinese new year

they did it in 2021 with the first initial hu tao release

they waited after lantern rite to run hu tao

even though she was ready

[north terrace]

Ohh

[vapid vault]

so they put keqing as a placeholder

[north terrace]

So hu tao might not rerun

Just seen al haitham he looks like dendro keqing

[vapid vault]

yea

tbh my honest opinion

i tested scara

he is boring

[north terrace]

Yeaah

[vapid vault]

al-haitham looks boring

[north terrace]

Samee dudeee

Finally someone like mee

Im currently at 65pity

But i didnt pull for scara

[vapid vault]

im at 55 with a guaranteed

[north terrace]

The fact he can fly is fun

But

Rest is boring

[vapid vault]

thinking about going for maybe ayato or wait for shenhe my queen

[north terrace]

Al haitham too is boring very less dendro application

[north terrace]

Woaah dude

Im thinking about ayato too

He got much hydro application

[vapid vault]

yea tighnari is fun if u have him

i like his quick swap burst 3 shot stile

style*

[north terrace]

The more the vision application the more good characters feel to me

[vapid vault]

makes fun

I want Shenhe desperately but i also need a Hydro Main DPS as i am lacking in that department

[frozen elm]

.

[north terrace]

I want hydro and pyro dps

Already got many anemo boys so gave up scara

[vapid vault]

Dehya could be a 3.5 possibility?

[warped rune]

I'mma pull tor Ayato too tbh. Hydro is pretty broken

[north terrace]

Dont like claymores lol

[north terrace]

The fact he applies hydro all the time looks good

[vapid vault]

It's his playstyle which is worrying

[north terrace]

20secs burst cooldown with 18sec continous hydro application burst

Only 6-8seconds i guess skill cd

[vapid vault]

mofo stands in one spot and looks like a chuunibyou trying to flex his imaginary sword attacks

[north terrace]

Yeah lol

[warped rune]

And how he can be a bloom on-field driver without switching builds

So versatile

[vapid vault]

its just boring to play him on a whole another lvl

[warped rune]

Can use him regularly and for bloom stuff simultaneously

[north terrace]

Still better than al haitham though he copied keqing

[warped rune]

I like the style tbh

[vapid vault]

yea

[vapid vault]

everyone got their own taste regarding playstyles

[north terrace]

Wish yelan reruns

[warped rune]

I like that it's simple and consistent

[icy kraken]

@warped rune has leveled up to LEVEL 16

[north terrace]

She is best in terms of damage in childe,ayato,yelan

[warped rune]

And that it's not energy-dependent

A large majority of dps rely on having bursts up and imo for both abyss and overworld it's more comfortable to play

[vapid vault]

My Yelan sucks up my energy like a pool cleaner i swear to god, i need to funnel all my energy particles onto her

[warped rune]

I have issues with my xiao, for example, I think that'll be fixed with faruzan tho

[north terrace]

Lol i didnt know about that

[vapid vault]

she has low er but compensates with ungodly 13k base dmg without reactions or hydro debuff-buff

[north terrace]

Yeah he has very easy playstyle and can be used with my units

[vapid vault]

with a vaporize she just pops 20-21k she makes more dmg than my pyro driver lol

[north terrace]

Many*

[warped rune]

I think I'll use Ayato as hydro application for a Kuki team fr

[vapid vault]

i dont have kuki

its so saddening

i have dori c6 but i dont want to hear her scream and having a high burst healer which doesn't do half shit

[warped rune]

I mean, aside from his regular team. I love that he's versatile like that

[north terrace]

Ive seen videos she clear enemies in 0–10seconds and ayato childe took 30or more seconds

[warped rune]

Dori sucks.

Oh oh another thing is that ayato is basically candace but better in a bloom team

[vapid vault]

yea my yelan just pops disgusting dmg tbh i could use her as my main dps and swirl with a sucrose driver and it would be more than using my poor yoi

[vapid vault]

you like ayato huh?

[warped rune]

Because you might think using candace is good since you can use other characters as on-field drivers

[north terrace]

Dori is useless

[warped rune]

But yeah Xingqiu is better, but Ayato is best of both worlds. Out of burst hydro

[warped rune]

I ought to if I'm pulling for him lmao

[north terrace]

Lol

[icy kraken]

@north terrace has leveled up to LEVEL 4

[warped rune]

Ig I also just tried to find stuff I like about playing him after liking him as a character initially

I talked about this yesterday, edgy and stuff

His edgy is the best kind of edgy

Mature edgy

[vapid vault]

tf is that distinction

[north terrace]

His idle animation is also not cool sipping a drink

But from all these characters and my need i think i will pull for ayato

I didnt got any 5star since nahida soo i need 5star as soon as possible to have my interest in the game lol

[vapid vault]

are u gacha addicted

xD

[warped rune]

Idk he's not edgy in the traditional sense, he's just very mature idk

[north terrace]

Lol yeaah its no fun if u dont do wishes

[warped rune]

Objective, rational, etc.

[vapid vault]

Ayato screams: Im planning 2 steps ahead but im still being beaten by a shounen mc with 2 braincells and a high self righteousness instinct

while Yae screams: bitch u walking my plan since 3 months ago and im laughing my ass off

[north terrace]

If only he looked cool in his idle animatiom instead of sipping some drink i would have loved him more

Al haitham looks cooler than ayato

But

[vapid vault]

his boba animation is scary he likes to loose his face, mans a robot or something

[north terrace]

They ruined him

[warped rune]

that's actually one of the best parts about him imo

[north terrace]

He have any other animation too?

[vapid vault]

same here

[warped rune]

it's nice that he has a behind the scenes part

and can act normally if he's comfortable

[vapid vault]

No, like there is a bug where he loses his facial distinctions and looks like a clothing puppet

[warped rune]

nice to see he's not rigid and tense

[north terrace]

Lol hahaha

Its very good i got people like me here i thought im the only one thinking of ayato in raiden and scara hype😂

[vapid vault]

mans a underdog

[north terrace]

Its good ayato reruns in next banner we will be able to see 3.4 characters and decide to pull for him or not

[vapid vault]

i just hope there is not shenhe in 3.4

it would sadden me

[north terrace]

Why u wont skip ayato for shenhe?

[vapid vault]

im greedy

[north terrace]

Hahaha

Broo

U are really like meee

I want yelan too

But im greedy too😭😭

[vapid vault]

i just want to have my ice booster

https://tenor.com/view/boost-look-out-anime-fight-scene-gif-13585507

[north terrace]

I just want to beat all mages easily

Only pyro and cyro mages give me hard time for now since i dont have hydro and pyro dps

[vapid vault]

wdym

use kazuha to shred shield

[north terrace]

Oh i think he dont shred that fast

😅

[vapid vault]

no

he does the job pretty easily

[north terrace]

I see

So we both pulling for ayato?😂

If i felt any regrets i dont wanna be alone

[vapid vault]

If there is no Shenhe, yes.

bcs my ice queen belongs to me

[north terrace]

She is half god i guess?

Or it was ganyu?

[vapid vault]

Ganyu is half magical beast (adepti)

shenhe got adepti magic in her

so ganyu is half adepti half human

shenhe is human but with a shitload of adepti magic in her

[north terrace]

Cloud retainer got pretty girls with her

[vapid vault]

also the curse of a god

[north terrace]

Ohh

I loved shenhe when she stopped that water villian archon alone and froze it all to save traveller

[warped rune]

not archon

god spouse

[north terrace]

Ohh

Every archon has a spoiled relative i guess😂

[warped rune]

wdym

[north terrace]

Lol

Sorry

Its very hard to get blizzard strayer for ganyu i dont know what happened with that domain it never give good artifacts

[warped rune]

wdym

[north terrace]

That was a villain right? One that attacked jade chamber

You said it was hydro archon spouse

[warped rune]

not archon

and not hydro

[north terrace]

I dont know any of lore😂

[warped rune]

god =/= archon

[north terrace]

Will watch genshin anime for that

[warped rune]

the two water serpent things were gods that zhong had previously defeated

in liyue chapter the first one gets jade chambered on the noggin'

and then shenhe kills the other

they are gods, but not archons. there's only one archon of each element

the hydro archon is focalors, and she's safe in fontaine

[north terrace]

Yeah that scene is awesome

[warped rune]

the god shenhe killed, beisht, was the first dude's wife

that's why i said god spouse lol

[north terrace]

Who are gods then?😂😅if they are not archons

I thought archons are gods

[warped rune]

all archons are gods, but not every god is an archon

[north terrace]

Ohhh

Now i see

[warped rune]

like havria, the god of salt, wasn't the archon of salt

archons get picked by celestia and represent an element

[north terrace]

Hmm like zhongli defeated many gods😂

[warped rune]

he did. the archon war was all about gods fighting over who would become archon. he killed many in order to get the title, his first quest is all about how it was believed that he killed havria and him admitting he'd done lots of god-slaughtering

venti was also present in the archon war, but iirc he wasn't even a god during it

[floral quiver]

Venti was drunk

[warped rune]

venti became archon after freeing Old Mondstadt from that one god

he actually didn't play too big a part afaik? it's just boreas, who was more important, didn't wanna be an archon

so venti had to

[warped rune]

either he didn't want to, or died, or died because he didn't want to

[north terrace]

😂😂😂😂

Meanwhile he sees venti being a careless archon😂 and not doing anything archon should be

[warped rune]

iirc makoto was also in the archon war, and so was rukkha-de-who?

[north terrace]

I dont know raiden’s story too

Rukhadevata

[warped rune]

he really isn't tho. on one hand, his people aren't being oppressed by celestia (i personally believe he doesn't necessarily agree with what celestia tells him to do either, like khaen'riah). on the other, mondstaters have been up to their own shenanigans

the manga that i haven't read is all about how mondstadt was ran by aristocrats who owned tons of slaves and wanted to rape Venessa or whatever

venti's carelessness allowed mondstadt's citizens to oppress themselves lmao

[north terrace]

I think i should read the manga but im too lazy

I hope animes arrives soon

[warped rune]

he does solve that issue iirc, and the KoF are launched, and i would think he probably keeps a more rigorous eye on the town nowadays

[north terrace]

When signora took his gnosis and throwed him after that i thought he is soo weak

[warped rune]

he is the weakest archon tho

i think that's borderline confirmed

[north terrace]

Still he didnt even fought back even a little

[warped rune]

he was suckerpunched tho

[north terrace]

Yeah lol

[warped rune]

he really didn't have the opportunity to iirc

[north terrace]

Like raiden beating signore in one slash that was soo cool

😂😂

Signora*

It was her puppet not her too also she didnt even had her gnosis with her

[warped rune]

fr tho

[north terrace]

She is perfect archons should be

[warped rune]

like i said, venti didn't ever fight

in the archon war he was there for morale, a wind spirit

then he took the identity of his bard friend and became- guess what- a bard

zhongli and raiden are born warriors tbh

while venti has never done anything of the sort

[vapid vault]

this is a wrong statement

[warped rune]

is it?

[north terrace]

What is the story of raiden i know they were 2 sisters and both were in the war

[vapid vault]

he leveled mountains a entire plain bcs of the rebellion and succession wars

he installed a new regime with a basis for the knights and selective government

he made a whole mountainous area just disappear

he is also the cause of the mare jirai

[warped rune]

fr ig

[vapid vault]

the plain with no air and nothing living there so yea

he is a badass in his prime

he just deleted mountains, entire areas

[north terrace]

Lol

[warped rune]

i didn't know the reason he created the archipelago tho

[vapid vault]

in fact he had enough power to just suffocate any living being in a selected area

[vapid vault]

bcs of the wars, it was not only one dude he fought

[north terrace]

Lol signora would beg for mercy if he used that

[vapid vault]

he doesn't have nearly any power left

he also somewhat accepted his fate by losing his gnosis

so he has no reason to obey celestia and can be free from the trouble

being a selected archon is also having a duty, a contract they cannot just ignore

venti got somewhat a lenient contract as he is literally the personification of freedom

[north terrace]

I see now it connecgs

[vapid vault]

so his choice of governing is playing in his hands

[north terrace]

Connects everything

[vapid vault]

him not having power relates to the belief in him and the prayers towards him

[warped rune]

that's why andrius didn't want in

[vapid vault]

as only few are hard believers of barbatos and most people are more secular he lost power overtime not governing his lands

[warped rune]

exactly, he doesn't need power and shouldn't need power for his way of ruling

[vapid vault]

yeü

[warped rune]

such a way of ruling did allow for some trouble before he established the archon-approved KoF tho

[vapid vault]

yep, he is still immortal and a god, just not a archon anymore

[vapid vault]

yes

though immortality can be discussed as we all know

over time everything ages and dies

Ei being in her mediatic state in eutheymia is escaping her death sentence lol

and she can just jump from puppet to puppet

in theory Ei can still use Scara but that's another story

[north terrace]

Lol

[north terrace]

Why she left him?

[hot fiber]

technically Ei is already dead. She has no body, she's literally just a ghost living in puppets and a spatial construct.

[vapid vault]

She is a system, something which cannot die properly without Irminsul as a Savepoint

[north terrace]

Noo she came out once

[vapid vault]

So as long people know about Ei and Irminsul remembering her, her death is impossible.

[north terrace]

When her puppet was broke

[warped rune]

she cannot

no?

[hot fiber]

she came out inside another spatial construct.

[vapid vault]

She can use the Puppet, by controlling it

[north terrace]

Remember that quest when we take pics

Of her

[vapid vault]

yeas

[warped rune]

she just entered the realm with her consciousness. it was imaginary, sorta

[north terrace]

She really came out

[warped rune]

for her robot fight

[north terrace]

No she is not dead yet i guess

[vapid vault]

It's no point arguing, she is not dead.

[hot fiber]

no body, not alive. 😛

[warped rune]

yeah, she's surely not dead

[north terrace]

She even have her body

[warped rune]

like, define body yk

[hot fiber]

she used the puppet for real world visits

[warped rune]

venti also doesn't have a "body"

he is shape shifting

[vapid vault]

She has no real body left, that's why you can't see her parallel body, in no quest did we see that, Shogun is her "Body" by possessing it for her needs.

[warped rune]

and originally a wind spirit, is that a "body"?

[hot fiber]

Venti was already a ghost XD

[warped rune]

not by definition

[vapid vault]

Venti is a wisp, a wind wisp. he has no real body himself but he likes to use his dead friends image

[warped rune]

he was an elemental being.. which raiden also was

raiden was an electro spirit, right?

[versed otter]

She was ?

[hot fiber]

elemental being, ghost, what's the difference? Semantics. XD

[warped rune]

idk i think she might've been

[vapid vault]

makoto and ei are thunder / electro incarnations

[north terrace]

I wonder how much yaemiko has lived

[versed otter]

I only ever heard her saying reincarnation of lightning, but don't know if that's confirmed or just a euphemism

[warped rune]

no body at birth, qed

[north terrace]

She taught raiden to put her consciousness in things right?

[vapid vault]

500 years

[fiery gyro]

Yae is between 500-600

[north terrace]

So she must have lived as much as raiden made his puppets at least

[vapid vault]

her tails signify how long she lives every tail of a fox spirit resembles 100 years of that fox spirit

when yae bursts she gains 5

so she has 500 years in her pocket minimum

[warped rune]

no surprises there, raiden isolated herself after makoto died.

makoto died 500 years ago in the khaen'riah thing

[versed otter]

You mean the cataclysm?

[north terrace]

So raiden really doesnt have her own body now?

[warped rune]

cataclysm, yeah

mixed them up

[vapid vault]

Raiden is her puppet and a self-conscious robot. It can create another puppet by her means, but it's no use, if her body gets erosion they can savely create a new one with Yae Miko

[versed otter]

Yea

[vapid vault]

She used her "body" which she really doesn't have in the truest sense as a blue print for her puppets, she has no real body per se, as Makoto & Ei are Thunder Spirits (incarnations) as Venti is a wind spirit

[warped rune]

if nahida is a tree, raiden is lightning and venti is wind... what is zhong?

[versed otter]

Rock

[vapid vault]

Rock

but no

he is a half dragon and half qilin

[warped rune]

so qilin are from before the adepti..

[versed otter]

Rock better tbh

[vapid vault]

Qilin are the truest sense of pure magical beings

while Dragons existed before there were any beasts

spirits are the native inhabitants of teyvat

So in Age Category Primordial -> Spirit -> Dragons -> Qilin -> Beasts -> Humans

[versed otter]

And then we have the clusterfuck known as the descender

[vapid vault]

yea

another curveball

or we have the travellers which are literal stars

[warped rune]

Dragons = Qilin = Vishap?

[vapid vault]

Vishaps are elemental beings

they have no real age

[warped rune]

Or Qilin, Vishap ∈ Dragons?

[vapid vault]

No no

[warped rune]

Because originally there were either dragons or vishaps, I don't recall. Where do Qilin fit in there?

Are qilin not those goat beings?

[vapid vault]

Vishaps are Ores, Rocks which are deeply rooted into the ground, deep forgotten. Some of those Stones overtime accumulate enough energy to gain some sort of consciousness, with their representative Seven Sovereigns they can get forms which they get born into. One of those cases is Azdaha

[versed otter]

Idk im not versed in Chinese mythology

[hot fiber]

Qilin are chinese unicorns.

[vapid vault]

Morax formed one of those ores into a form, with that form and energy given by his sovereign he gained a body to place his consciousness into.

[warped rune]

That doesn't seem true for all vishaps tho. Doesn't that story only apply to Azhdaha?

[versed otter]

Tevyat inhabitants really do behave like AI

[warped rune]

Doesn't mean all Vishap elements work the same way

And apparently Azhdaha isn't even really confirmed to be a vishap?

[vapid vault]

Who said they are good natured, vishaps are just in general rocks with elemental prowess inside

[warped rune]

He's the "lord of vishaps", but he's said to only be a "geo spirit" according to genshin wiki (for what that's worth lmao)

[versed otter]

Azdaha having multiple element is just him sleeping and accumulating leyline energy

[vapid vault]

he is a geovishap, so yes?

[warped rune]

Is he tho?

[vapid vault]

Azhdaha is the oldest of the Geovishaps and holds command over the Ley Lines.[8][9] For untold years, he had slumbered in Nantianmen

[warped rune]

Oh apparently he is yeah

[vapid vault]

so yes

[hot fiber]

I am guessing that there are primal dragons of each of the basic elements, this would fit Chinese lore, and we've already met two of them.

[vapid vault]

we did

Azhdaha was cool though i wished we could get him as a pet which follows us

[warped rune]

That's confirmed. The sovereigns and stuff

[vapid vault]

and screams: MORAX

[hot fiber]

Dvalin and Azhdaha

[warped rune]

We don't know if the sovereigns still exist and/or if azhdaha is one of them tho

[versed otter]

Imagine a ball of rock just floating and shouting Morax all the time

[vapid vault]

they do exist?

[versed otter]

Man i wish we have that oceanid event again but different bosses

[vapid vault]

The original Seven Sovereigns were the rulers of the old world before the appearance of the Primordial One. After 40 years of battle, the Seven Sovereigns were vanquished and those who refused to yield to the Primordial One fled to the depths of the ocean.[2]

A new generation of Sovereigns is currently being born;[3] it has been predicted that at least the Hydro one will be "born in a human form."[4]

So Focalors could be a hydro dragon

that would be so cool

[hot fiber]

Orobashi may have been the water dragon, though it is unclear

[vapid vault]

Who knows, they will tell us anyway

[warped rune]

It sorta implies some of them are dead and that currently there are empty seats

[vapid vault]

It does

[warped rune]

For a Hydro one to be born there should be no hydro one alive

[vapid vault]

Btw i think the timeline could be theoretically wrong

Dragons / Vishaps / Elemental Spirits -> Qilin -> Humans

my reasoning being quite simple

if the Dragons and Vishaps were the overlords of the old world, that also implies that by pure nature they are the oldest beings

[warped rune]

But what's the difference between dragons and vishaps again?

[vapid vault]

Maybe the way they are born?

[warped rune]

Some vishaps are dragons, is what I understand? They take a dragon shape at some point?

[hot fiber]

probably age honestly, the primo vishap is listed as a dragon.

[warped rune]

Yeah I think vishaps and dragons are synonyms tbh

[vapid vault]

AH

Dragons are a naturally large species of reptilians with varying appearances. Some are quadrupedal, some are serpentine, and some either have wings or none at all. They typically have physical attributes reminiscent of their associated element; for example, the Earth Dragon Azhdaha has rough stone skin, whereas Dvalin has a much more sleek and svelte appearance befitting his Wind element.[Note 1] A dragon's size is proportional to its strength; the immensely powerful Azhdaha, at his full strength, was as large as a mountain range[2] and his size when fought in Beneath the Dragon-Queller is his form after years of erosion;[3] Dvalin is also stated to have suddenly grown in both size and power when he reemerged as Stormterror.[4]

Vishaps and elemental dragons are born from the elements.[5][6][Note 2] As elemental beings, they have far longer lifespans than mortals and even gods.[6] They typically grow more powerful with age, and several dragons are known for having enough strength to rival the likes of Archons and other similarly powerful beings; such dragons include Azhdaha,[6][7] Dvalin,[5] and Durin.[8] However, other dragons like Ursa the Drake can be felled by powerful Vision or Delusion-bearers.[9]

Dragons are not immune to erosion and are still subjected to the rules of the Heavenly Principles.[6] Vishaps and elemental dragons in particular are also extremely susceptible to the darkness of the Void Realm.[10]

[warped rune]

What I can gather from that tbh is that dragons are a class of vishap

At least

[vapid vault]

Vishaps (Chinese: 龙蜥 lit. "Dragon-Lizard") are reptilian creatures who have existed since primeval times. They are believed to develop into dragons after long periods of time,[11] such as how Azhdaha is from the Geovishap species.[3] Some vishap species such as the Geovishaps are able to absorb elemental energy from the ley lines and some vishap species, such as the Bathysmal Vishaps, are even capable of evolution, allowing them to inherit more and better combat-related characteristics than their predecessors. However, this evolution has severe consequences for their race — namely, the fact that they are no longer elementally "pure" and thus cannot have one of the Seven Sovereigns be born among them.[12]

[warped rune]

We never see a dragon that isn't a vishap and vishaps are always dragon-like I think?

[vapid vault]

Elemental dragons (Chinese: 元素之龙) have not been well-documented, although several examples exist; Dvalin[5] and the Seven Sovereigns[10] are explicitly called elemental dragons, while Azhdaha is an elemental dragon by deduction.[3]

Elemental dragons and ley lines will affect each other. During the events of the Prologue Chapter, Dvalin's rampage sent Mondstadt's elemental flow and ley lines into disarray, which forced the Knights of Favonius to cut off his connection to the other three of the Four Winds' temples.[4][Note 3] Powerful Geovishaps are capable of drawing energy from ley lines;[13] Azhdaha planned on absorbing the energy from the entire world's ley lines and using it to destroy everything after freeing himself from the Dragon-Queller,[14] and at the start of his boss fight's second phase, he draws energy from the ley lines through his limbs.[3] Conversely, when human mining at the Chasm damaged the ley lines, it brought Azhdaha physical agony.[6]

It is unknown whether non-elemental dragons exist, as all natural-born dragons named in the game have an elemental affiliation. Durin was created through alchemy and may not be subject to normal dragon physiology, while Ursa the Drake only appeared in the Manga and little detail went into its background or abilities.

[warped rune]

The Sovereigns are probably created and mantained at all times as a rule for Teyvat's existence

They were the original rulers, and are probably still the de jure ones

[vapid vault]

Yes

[warped rune]

Archons are just de facto ruling

[hot fiber]

Dvalin is -not- a Vishap.

[vapid vault]

I would assume it as well

So in theorem:

Vishaps can evolve into Dragons with age and strength, while elemental dragons are born with said strength and form

[warped rune]

That makes sense

[vapid vault]

Them being pure by default makes them a pure elemental being and can also inherit the seven sovereigns giving them the true ruler position over said element

[warped rune]

And yeah that seems like the best conclusion to make

[vapid vault]

while some vishaps can deform into abyssmal vishaps losing their true nature and their true elemental pureness

but just imagine a mountain ass big dragon walking towards u and making the continent shake with each movement

[warped rune]

Clarifying the expressions I used earlier btw:
de jure = by law, in theory
de facto = in practice, what actually happens

[vapid vault]

thanks ❤️

[warped rune]

So sovereigns are the de jure leaders of Teyvat, as they were originally commanding the elements

[vapid vault]

elemental dragons and vishaps, yes.

[warped rune]

Archons are the de facto leaders as the sovereigns do not have power anymore, even if they hold the title

By leaders I mean, of the elements, ig?

Because they have to follow celestia

They're celestia's makeshift replacement to sovereigns lmao

[vapid vault]

Understandable, Celestia being the Iustitia

or the regnum

[warped rune]

Lmao I'm not the only one with latin terminology

[vapid vault]

uh Regnum = The Government or Iustitia = Court

makes sense?

[warped rune]

[vapid vault]

i misread

im stupid

i thought u didn't know

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-anime-anime-girl-hitori-gotou-dying-inside-gif-27031928

[warped rune]

i half-knew

[hot fiber]

the right to become a zombie, habeas corpsus.

[vapid vault]

okay dokie

[vapid vault]

lmao

[warped rune]

LMAO

[vapid vault]

hahahah

Qiqi be like

walking ass corpse

I just want to have the day where we just waltz into Celestia and smash these boys

[hot fiber]

it's a difficult right to plead for. XD

[warped rune]

Fr tho we don't even have names

Or faces

I want the faces of whoever's ruling celestia

[vapid vault]

I want to smash them

for what they did in Enkanomiya and Dragonspine

[warped rune]

What if they're a cute waifu uwu

[hot fiber]

heh

[warped rune]

[hot fiber]

smash them more. XD

[vapid vault]

Smash them, but differently

[hot fiber]

'smash' XD

[vapid vault]

https://tenor.com/view/boost-look-out-anime-fight-scene-gif-13585507

[warped rune]

ono

[vapid vault]

https://tenor.com/view/high-school-dxd-anime-issei-hyodou-gif-24975493

[warped rune]

How do they deal with sewage in celestia

[spring ravine]

should i run Tenacity of the Millelith and HOD or EOSD and HOD for yelan

[vapid vault]

They dont püoop

[hot fiber]

they don't poop.

lol

[warped rune]

Like do they just throw it off the balcony

[vapid vault]

lol

[spring ravine]

it simply disappears

they do poo

[warped rune]

How do you know??

[spring ravine]

just its not a concept whats left after they are done

[warped rune]

depends on what you need

[hot fiber]

how else could their shit not stink? XD

[vapid vault]

I theoretically imagine their pee and poop are thunderstorms and rain

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841365351040286741/1048984852386566224/1BA64FFE-91FB-45FF-B35A-9A530E316A1C.gif

[warped rune]

If you're lacking er, use emblem. If you need more damage, use totm. Or ask the optimizer.

Again, it'll depend on substats you have for each set too

[spring ravine]

the optimizer?

[warped rune]

Genshin Optimizer

[vapid vault]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/

[spring ravine]

ah

[warped rune]

There are some tutorials on how to use it, you put in your artifacts and it will tell you what combination is best for the goal you set

[spring ravine]

i mean i wouldnt lack er since id be using fav warbow, or is stringless better

[warped rune]

Use the Keqing Mains for a guide on minimum ER needs and stuff

Then you can set that requirement and look at the damage

So uh Qilin

[spring ravine]

uhuh

[hot fiber]

unicorns

[warped rune]

Qilin are illuminated beasts?

[vapid vault]

Does someone remember the lyrics of Ei saying she will make the thunders disappear to give us a sweet dream?

[warped rune]

Illuminated beasts are liyue stuff

[hot fiber]

yes

[vapid vault]

Yes, magical beasts

with the ability to shapeshift into humans

[hot fiber]

illuminated beasts is just the liyue term for them

they are not exclusive to Liyue

[vapid vault]

yes

[hot fiber]

technically Yae is also an 'illuminated beast' just from Inazuma so they're called something else.

[warped rune]

Apparently it is not known what an illuminated beast is?

Like apparently it's like a role rather than a species or intrinsical characteristic

I think it's nearly synonymous to adepti

[hot fiber]

it's a group of primordial elemental creatures

[vapid vault]

^ this

[warped rune]

Uhh, primordial?

[vapid vault]

They are essentially spirits

[hot fiber]

yes

[warped rune]

And elemental?

[hot fiber]

primordial because they have existed almost as long as the world has

[warped rune]

What's cloud retainer's element, for example?

[vapid vault]

They all possess elemental prowess and are elemental bound

[hot fiber]

not necessarily elemental in the sense of wind water earth, but elemental all the same

[warped rune]

According to genshin wiki, illuminated beast is sort of a title bestowed upon these entities trained in the arts by morax

[vapid vault]

Known Illuminated Beast Types
Mammalian
The following types of illuminated beasts are depicted in-game to have mostly mammalian features.

Qilin
The qilin are gentle creatures who refuse to harm any animal, living a vegetarian lifestyle, with fur as soft as clouds. However, when they do not live in times of peace, they will fight.[4][5] Ganyu is half-qilin.

Xiezhi
No other instances of this beast has been observed in Teyvat lore with the exception for Yanfei, who is half-xiezhi,[Note 1] and her father who is implied to be a full-blooded one. Xiezhi have not been described in-game, but have appeared as an ornament on Yanfei's stamper. The creature is depicted to be goat or deer-like in appearance with a pair of antlers behind the ears, and a fluffy coat.

Deer-Like
Two known illuminated beasts take the form of deer: Moon Carver, and Skybracer.

Avian
The following types of illuminated beasts are depicted in-game to have mostly avian features.

Crane-Like
A number of illuminated beasts are known to take the form of cranes: Cloud Retainer, Mountain Shaper, and the yaksha Pervases.

Unknown Taxon
Xiao's avian beast form has been teased in his character design, his constellation, and his yaksha alias Alatus. It is implied that he takes on the form of Garuda, a Hindu demigod, or Peng (can be seen in the Chinese translation of Alatus: 金鹏 Jīnpéng), a creature present in both Chinese and Buddhist mythos.

In some lines of Genshin Impact merchandise, stylized depictions of Xiao's avian form has been shown. The bird form appears to be finch-like, though this is inconclusive due to stylization. Its plumage features multiple shades of teal, reddish eyes and Xiao's purple diamond symbol on its forehead.

[warped rune]

Yeah, thing is that doesn't mention elements at all yk

[vapid vault]

Yakshas
Yakshas are illuminated beasts.[6] They prefer to take humanoid forms, but their true forms are believed to be animals.

Alatus — Beast form implied to resemble Garuda or Peng.
Bosacius
Indarias
Bonanus
Menogias
Pervases — Beast form is a crane.

[hot fiber]

they're more like humans in that they can adapt to the element, rather than being attuned to any one specifically.

[vapid vault]

They in the purest form inherit elemental prowess but are not by pure default elemental beings

[warped rune]

Yeah, that would make sense.

I also would say it makes sense to classify Illuminated Beasts as more of an organization than as a species or group of beings

[vapid vault]

Xiao = Crane aswell btw

they like to be Cranes

wtf do they have with their cranes

[hot fiber]

Xiao doesn't make sense to be a crane. He short.

XD

[vapid vault]

but he is

[hot fiber]

nah

[warped rune]

I don't think he is. I googled the bird forms listed there and they're not exactly cranes iirc

And his tattoo isn't too crane-like

[vapid vault]

from what i know he is a crane

[warped rune]

Anyways, from the article it is said there are no illuminated beasts without morax. If Qilin are illuminated beasts, they couldn't have been before Morax

[hot fiber]

it has not been officially stated, just hinted at

[warped rune]

Imo it makes sense to say Qilin were not always illuminated beasts

I would say Morax chose a few tribes of mythical beings as his advisors, servants, etc.

[vapid vault]

Xiao's avian illuminated beast form has been teased in his character design, his constellation, and his yaksha alias Alatus. It is implied that he takes on the form of Garuda, a Hindu demigod, or Peng (can be seen in the Chinese translation of Alatus: 金鹏 Jīnpéng), a creature present in both Chinese and Buddhist mythos. Xiao has been called the 'Golden-Winged King,' which may be another reference to the Golden-Winged Great Peng, a guardian deity in Mahayana Buddhism.

In some lines of Genshin Impact merchandise, stylized depictions of Xiao's avian form has been shown. The bird form appears to be a finch-like, though this is inconclusive due to stylization. Its plumage features multiple shades of teal, reddish eyes and Xiao's purple diamond symbol on its forehead.

[warped rune]

Called them illuminated beasts

[warped rune]

A finch is like the opposite of a crane

[vapid vault]

yes i've read it

[warped rune]

lol

[vapid vault]

he a smol ass bird

makes sense

he smoll

[vapid vault]

^ agree

[warped rune]

But anyways, that sorta proves by contradiction Illuminated Beasts are a "man"-made distinction

Idk what the goal was from that tho

[vapid vault]

its just beasts with elemental prowess

[warped rune]

Oh right, still no idea about where Qilin came from

[vapid vault]

which can shapeshift if pure blooded

[vapid vault]

Probably after the primordial one

[warped rune]

Nearly synonym to adepti, probably elementally enabled after training with morax

[warped rune]

Yeah, I would imagine so too

[hot fiber]

Qilin are probably as old as dragons, just not as... aggressive, and so their history is less well established. 😛

[vapid vault]

U know whats funny?

[vapid vault]

No

[hot fiber]

yes

[vapid vault]

There are no mentioning regarding beasts like the Qilin in the old world

They probably are sub-species or own race like the elemental dragons

[hot fiber]

this does not prove anything

[warped rune]

Qilin are floofy

Dragons are scaly

[vapid vault]

From what we've gathered its baseless saying it is from the times of the old world

[warped rune]

It is safer to assume they came after dragons and vishaps

[vapid vault]

as there is no proof to support such statement

[hot fiber]

they're based on Chinese legend, and Chinese legend puts them on the same scale as dragons. Without any evidence stating their origin, it is reasonable to assume they share similar heredity.

[warped rune]

They lack any of the qualities that are heavily implied to have been the only ones present in the pre-Primordial One Teyvat

They're not elemental beings, they're not reptilish in appearance

There also isn't any record of their existence

Liyue wasn't even a thing back then

Nor was Teyvat as we know it

To create living conditions to modern beings, the realm had to be vastly modified, I assume

I think it's heavily implied the world was kinda barren

Might just be the scenario I created in my head tho

[hot fiber]

shrug unless someone from the game states otherwise, any conclusion we come to is entirely theoretical. I'm not going to assume they didn't exist simply because they haven't explicitly written their history to say they did.

they haven't actually written much about Qilin in the first place. They basically just exist along the same history as the illuminated beasts, of which we know very little as a group.

[vapid vault]

It's hard to put mythical beast like the Qilin in a environment as the Dragons and Vishaps reigning it, their species evolving or surviving such environment would be near impossible.

[hot fiber]

except as food, dragons had to eat too. 😛

[warped rune]

It's like saying there were humans back then. Afaik we don't have evidence explicitly proving there weren't

[vapid vault]

I've read myself through the timelines from the Old World now to Divine Envoy Era

[warped rune]

Like we know the Primordial one made the Vishap Realm into something more suitable for humans. Where did the humans come from? Who knows. It's safe to assume they came along with the One tho

[vapid vault]

it is the first mentioning as such mythical beast at the Pre-Archon Era (Guily Assembly)

[hot fiber]

they weren't exactly written by J.R.R. Tolkien. XD

[vapid vault]

The first mentioning of humans occur at 40 years after the birth of the primordial ones, the first race being the seelies

[warped rune]

Also, also... Apparently zhongli isn't really a qilin-dragon? That's just the exuvia form of his?

[hot fiber]

Zhongli is an archon, he just liked that form to appear before people.

[vapid vault]

400 years after the Primordial One appears: The Primordial One finishes preparing the world for the arrival of humanity. It and one of its shades create all animal life, and humanity creates a covenant with the Primordial One. The Primordial One creates a "sacred plan" for humanity, an era referred to as the "Ark's Opening." Humanity tends to the land and it flourishes, leading to a period known as the "Year of Jubilee."[2]
A single, unified human civilization spans the whole world, which the region of Enkanomiya was part of.[4]
The Seelie were once a race with beautiful, humanoid forms and great wisdom. They dwelled across the world and were tasked with guiding humanity. They built a large and prosperous civilization and erected large palaces.[6][7][Translation Note 1]

[warped rune]

No one knows what his prime form is tho

[warped rune]

Yeah, as venti likes his bard friend's form. Doesn't he mean he's a human bard tho

[vapid vault]

Morax was born 6000 years ago

so the occurence of the primordial one is around 6440 years ago to the timeline we have now

[hot fiber]

It makes sense for him, he likes to roam among the people anonymously, having an alternate form to appear as 'Morax' makes it easy for him to do this.

[dense tiger]

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We don't have the link anymore

[warped rune]

See that message by Tubby?

[vapid vault]

Zhongli is just a vessel but im confused if it is a human vessel or somewhat like a puppet the same as raiden shogun

[icy kraken]

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[warped rune]

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[warped rune]

I don't think it's so much a vessel as it is a form

He's not like possessing anything, at least that isn't implied

Wording used are form and shapeshifting

Said body may be elemental in nature, like Venti's, or artificially made and isolated from him, like Raiden's

[hot fiber]

yeah, he has a body, we just don't know what the basic form is.

[vapid vault]

A consultant of the Wangsheng Funeral Parlor, he is later revealed to be the current vessel of the Geo Archon, Morax, who has decided to experience the world from the perspective of a mortal.

[warped rune]

In his case I think the former applies

[vapid vault]

im confused

[warped rune]

Exactly

[vapid vault]

it would be a dragon no?

he is half

so

[hot fiber]

shrug could be, could even be the form he used at his descent

[warped rune]

I guess the meaning of vessel there is in the sense of where Morax is found now. In the body of Zhongli, doesn't mean Zhongli was separate from Morax at some point

[hot fiber]

we just don't actually know for sure.

[vapid vault]

Makes more sense in that regard

[warped rune]

That's the thing, not necessarily. His descent form is half-dragon, half qilin. We don't know if that form is his true form or not

[vapid vault]

its funny knowing a dragon bred a qilin

[hot fiber]

half dragon half qirin would make for some interesting parentage.

[warped rune]

That's the form he used to speak to his people, and if he's anything like Venti or Raiden, it likely wasn't his true form

Another web-coitus invite

Fun

[vapid vault]

Ye

[warped rune]

Anyways,

[vapid vault]

Raiden Shogun is cool

[warped rune]

We don't know Vishap's and Qilin's reproduction habits tbh

Or ig Dragon's, for that matter

[vapid vault]

idk elemental dragons are born like that so they probably can't reproduce

[warped rune]

I think it's safe to say Vishaps don't reproduce and are instead born spontaneously from the elements

[hot fiber]

I'm sure someone has fanfic'd it already.

[warped rune]

Yeah exactly

[vapid vault]

Just imagine u having some ore in your hand

and its starts forming into a vishap

[warped rune]

Probably increased in value

[vapid vault]

fck the value

[warped rune]

Dori would love it

[vapid vault]

im gonna train it into becoming my pokemon

[warped rune]

Pet Vishap

[vapid vault]

Go TAKEMIKAZUCHI

use Thundering Roar

[hot fiber]

considering the size of the 'hatchling' I don't think it would be 'in your hand'

[vapid vault]

Well still, i want a Azhdaha pet

😢

he should promise vengeance

and scream Morax as his pokecry

[hot fiber]

sounds like King

[warped rune]

I think it's a safe assumption that Zhongli is also elemental in nature tbh

[vapid vault]

he big boy

[warped rune]

That's the case for all archons up until now, and probably Focalors too

[vapid vault]

I hope Focalors is one of the new born sovereign

[warped rune]

Also because it's just weird for a powerful old asf god to have a mommy and daddy

[vapid vault]

i just want a dragon girl or dragon pet

and no it doesn't include yanfei

[warped rune]

What about that theory that kokomi was the sovereign?

[vapid vault]

imagine venti crying for his momma

[vapid vault]

she ain't dragon she a fish

[warped rune]

Close enough

[hot fiber]

I think it's safe to assume nothing, since the Fatui ||turned a puppet into a god|| if that can happen, it's possible there are other ways to become a Archon than we know of based on Venti alone.

[warped rune]

But also, the sovereign cannot be reborn as a dragon

So it would have to be human... Or maybe it was just a bit wrong and bam! Humanoid fish girl

[warped rune]

Turning it into a god is far from turning it into an archon

[vapid vault]

wait no

they are being born as elemental dragons

[warped rune]

You can't just declare yourself an archon, celestia will have to approve

[vapid vault]

as only pure ones can be a sovereign

[warped rune]

So they're just not being born vishaps? Dragons are fine?

[vapid vault]

yes

elemental dragon in specific

but it will adept itself into a human-noid form

but its a dragon still

A new generation of Sovereigns is currently being born;[3] it has been predicted that at least the Hydro one will be "born in a human form."[4]

[warped rune]

Makes more sense too

Human form ≠ human

[hot fiber]

we don't exactly have a lot of evidence on what is required to become an archon, beyond the presence of a Gnosis. We do know it's more than just having a Gnosis, or we'd already have had two archon changes 😛

[vapid vault]

They need to have power over the specific element, they need to have the approval of celestia and the gnosis of said de jure governing piece

[hot fiber]

yeah I'm pretty sure none of that is known, just assumed to be true.

[vapid vault]

I mean it's the base for all said Archons we have

they assumed the title with the piece

[hot fiber]

again, as I said, we know very little.

[warped rune]

By definition archons are celestia's pawns

[vapid vault]

yes

their chess pieces

[warped rune]

They wouldn't be archons if they acted against celestia

They might have control of the elements, but not archons

[vapid vault]

^

[warped rune]

Lmao the metaphor kinda fell short since they are literally not pawns lol

[hot fiber]

as stated multiple times, we don't know.

we can guess and make assumptions, but celestia hasn't exactly been forthcoming about anything to date.

[warped rune]

We really do know, for all intents and purposes

[hot fiber]

no. We do not.

[warped rune]

There might not be a difference between having power over the elements and being an archon

But we do know the archon title is something granted by celestia

Until proven otherwise, we can't assume there's any other way

They might have the power, but not the archon title. Which is practically the same thing, but still

[hot fiber]

we know that the archon title was granted by celestia at one time, based on historical evidence. We don't exactly have much grounds to base that on though beyond Venti and Zhongli (mostly Venti)

[warped rune]

Not just granted but created

It's a yes to both sides, tbh

[hot fiber]

remember, it was called 'the archon war' not the 'war of powerful elemental beings'

[warped rune]

Since on a technicality, the title wouldn't really apply. But practically, they would hold the same position and power

[hot fiber]

or 'the god war'

[warped rune]

Archon war because it was over the title of archon. It really isn't known how warring would affect the choice of archon tho

[vapid vault]

We are creating a mess here, let's short this: Being a Archon is a title and the gnosis is a emblematic for having said title giving u a elemental boost and giving u a connection to Celestia.

[warped rune]

Some might argue the war happened because whoever won automatically became archon, others might argue it was just to prove the power and increase chances of being picked

[vapid vault]

that is the truth we now

anything else is just rn useless and theoretical

[hot fiber]

all I'm saying is that what we know is very limited, and highly subjective.

[vapid vault]

this and we are done

[warped rune]

Yeah. we don't know how said title is obtained or what it entails, ig

[hot fiber]

I disagree because we don't actually -know- that.

[vapid vault]

bro

[warped rune]

We dont know that it cant be known?

[vapid vault]

While gnoses are described as being emblematic of an Archon's status and give them a direct connection to Celestia, their exact purpose and abilities remain a mystery. They evidently grant Archons a large power boost and the "divine ability" to defend their nations,[12] and Zhongli attributes the ability to mint Mora as something that "requires the use of the Geo Archon's power."[13] The use of the gnoses' power is not exclusive to its respective Archon, as Nahida also utilized the power of the Electro Gnosis to aid in the healing of Irminsul.

[warped rune]

Yeah, what you said is pretty spot-on, just the facts

We know there exists something called an archon, and that the gnosis is somehow linked to it

Lol

[vapid vault]

i am trying to point this to the EXACT thing we know what the use of said gnosis is and what we know of the title Archon

everything else is irrelevant and just theoretical

[hot fiber]

which is almost nothing, and we only have secondhand testimonial of any of it. Even Zhongli hasn't given much details as to how exactly he became a Archon, just that it happened. Venti dances over the issue like the bard he is and says next to nothing.

[vapid vault]

Although gods are immortal, their physical vessels — including those made with the power of an Archon — have finite lifespans and can be "killed," while their consciousness can fade away.[17] By the time of the main story, five of the original Seven have died and been replaced. While pondering how she would overcome her physical lifespan, Ei stumbled on a method of creating synthetic puppets indistinguishable from true life, which she used to create Scaramouche and the Shogun. After giving her Gnosis to Yae Miko for safekeeping, Ei discarded her physical form, the Shogun warning her that there was no return from giving up her body.[18] Due to no longer having a physical body, Ei is only able to manifest herself outside of her Plane of Euthymia by using the body of the puppet as her own.[19]

Vessels created through an Archon's power have another major weakness: they are incapable of being healed through ordinary means, including a Vision-bearer's healing abilities.[2] Venti harnesses the power of the Symbol of Mondstadt's Hero twice to heal himself; first was to expunge the abyssal magic that poisoned him via Dvalin when the Traveler unintentionally interrupted them,[20] and the second was to recover after having his Gnosis taken by Signora.[2] The exact properties this tree holds is unclear, but it may have a connection to Celestia: according to legend, it grew from the spot where Vennessa ascended to Celestia.

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You're agreeing lol

[hot fiber]

we -know- virtually nothing.

[warped rune]

We're all saying we don't know anything

[hot fiber]

I've been saying that the whole time 😛

[warped rune]

Yeah and now Gown's saying it too

[vapid vault]

We are all making the same point but arguing over finite details

[hot fiber]

lol

[warped rune]

Fr, we don't know anything. We won't ever know anything until explictly said. Connections between things can only ever be theorized about

No good story is entirely explained

[hot fiber]

yep

[vapid vault]

ye

[hot fiber]

I don't expect them to ever give these details, just pointing out that what we do currently know, is very little.

[vapid vault]

It was irritating to read through this whole debacle, i think we just over-read things.

[dreamy crater]

show enough to let the audience do thinking of their own
and don't tell as much as paimon

[vapid vault]

Paimon is a mystery of its own

[warped rune]

Paimon is the sibling

Think fr

[hot fiber]

as I said before, this world was not created to the level of detail as tLotR

[vapid vault]

I hate this flying shitbag

[dreamy crater]

i meant her ingame amount of voiceline

[warped rune]

Who else knows the entire world from traveling through it twice? Who else would want to be with us since the start of our adventure?

Getting caught fishing was a ploy

[vapid vault]

I swear to god, i can't accept the fact that our MC just stfu and Paimon apparently just likes to narrate the whole ass story

[hot fiber]

she's obviously either the goddess of chaos, or a celestial envoy 😛

[vapid vault]

I couldn't care less i want to destroy it

[dreamy crater]

fr I hate Paimon talking so much

[warped rune]

And why does MC not know the world he traveld through 500 years ago

[vapid vault]

Motherfucker having dementia / amnesia

im losing myind

[dreamy crater]

MC did not travel through this world iirc
MC was asleep, no?

[hot fiber]

I mean either way she got some 'splainin to do XD

[vapid vault]

we are fcking stars and can't beat slimes man

or some spores

[dreamy crater]

that's a skill issue XD

[warped rune]

He did along with sister

Then sister did again by herself

[vapid vault]

and we sleep

[dreamy crater]

ah

[warped rune]

(swap sister to brother if picked female)

[dreamy crater]

I've forgotten the lore alr XD

[vapid vault]

its aight

we are immortal beings by purest form travelling through worlds but can't beat A FCKING SPORE

OR 3 MERCENARIES

FFS

[hot fiber]

I mean they were travelling at the speed of light, so time dilation, obviously.

[warped rune]

Nooo but he lost his power

[vapid vault]

IDC

fucker has knowledge of 210340213401203 years

but a slime is scary

[hot fiber]

I have never lost to a slime lol.

[warped rune]

he lost the sword of his

[hot fiber]

he lost his gnosis 😛

[dreamy crater]

rmb the slime in the chasm event?

so thicc

[vapid vault]

he should be able to tear through fabric and time if this mofo can traverse in light speed

but noo

SPORES

[warped rune]

Traveler is the primordial one

[vapid vault]

MERCENARIES AND SLIMES ARE OUR MORTAL ENEMIES

[hot fiber]

I want more of that slime lol

[hot fiber]

^

[warped rune]

And Spreading Evil commissions

[dreamy crater]

HYV I DEMAND A TEST DUMMY THAT DOESNT MOVE

[vapid vault]

Like im so tilted

I hate how weak we are portrayed

[hot fiber]

also when we getting another strange hilichurl event.

[vapid vault]

apparently we are good enough for dragons, gods but a MERCENARY CAN BEAT US MAN

[dreamy crater]

I missed Mimi Tomo

ugh

[warped rune]

I remember this one quest Katheryne says she's got a hard commission and then traveler goes "oh, like spreading evil?" and katheryne says if we're having trouble with it she should reconsider the commissions she gives us

Maybe it's chasm?

[vapid vault]

I think it was yea

[dreamy crater]

I don't rmb that dialogue

[warped rune]

I love the half-meta dialogue

[dreamy crater]

but then again I forget a lot of things

[vapid vault]

Like im for real am i the only one bothered by our weak ass mc?

[warped rune]

Same in aranyaka ||when you question alphonso and can just mention random kids from the game||

[dreamy crater]

I've given up on caring tbh

[warped rune]

Or even in less-meta moments with just references to other quests, like the Ruu mention also in aranyaka

Really cool, stuff like that gets me going

[dreamy crater]

my personal fav archon quest has to be sumeru act 2

[vapid vault]

I love the story but it sometimes feels half-polished or down bad created on the spot

[vapid vault]

I love the Samsara quest it was insane