💭・general

[hollow linden]

Only tomorrow i can show u

[desert root]

lmfao

[fallow siren]

my last place I can get sigil 🥲

[hollow linden]

But gonna ping u when i do

[fresh egret]

i got 1 sigil somewhere

or rather

anemoculus somewhere

that i cbf to get

[hollow linden]

Or gonna buy exp from Teapot

[fallow siren]

while searching for sigils I got 200 primos worth of achievements 😂

[fresh egret]

[pearl merlin]

gonna try and play on american server with just 3 characters cause i aint got shit to do

[fallow siren]

farm sigils for me

[pearl merlin]

sure

lmao

lumine, bennet and amber

good team yes

[fallow siren]

very

[fallow siren]

how do you get that?

[fresh egret]

kqm bot

[fallow siren]

:0 how do I use

[fresh egret]

go to kqm and /help

[pearl merlin]

cute

[sullen light]

Wow third cake

[rotund sun]

Wow. Eight condensed resin and not a single artifact worth locking.

[tribal escarp]

what 4 star raiden banner in 3.3?

[silent depot]

please ask God

[rotund sun]

Lemme ask my crystal ball.

[rugged thunder]

Where did the second one go?

[rotund sun]

We don't even know what the first half of 3.3 is going to be. lmao

[silent depot]

what even is a 3.3?

[rotund sun]

What even is a four star.

[fallow siren]

3 star characters when

[rotund sun]

motions to the starter characters

[silent depot]

motions to any character i just don't want to use

[floral quiver]

57k Xiao dmg against shogun without buff is ok?

[rotund sun]

I can smell the flat stat rolls incoming.

[pale valley]

please dont

[rotund sun]

I am the prophet.

[pale valley]

😢

[rotund sun]

I have two other CW feathers that are a lot better, so I'm not worried about feeding one of them. lol

[floral quiver]

The best I got so far

[hollow linden]

@desert root sadly not Crit but still fine

[silent depot]

you guys have really high expectations for "fine" pieces omg

[floral quiver]

I've seen players with insane luck getting 45% crit dmg

[hollow linden]

Yush , my Max is 34% Crit dmg

But still fine

[floral quiver]

Been farming for Xiao like 5 months and still nothing good

[rotund sun]

Highest crit damage I've gotten is 36.5.

...On a Clam feather.

[silent depot]

dps barb

[rotund sun]

I'm gonna make it happen.

[floral quiver]

I'm on it.

[rotund sun]

[hollow linden]

Bro i send tge Wrong pic

[hollow linden]

ER% AT 11%

[fallow siren]

my highest crit dmg was 21 and change 😭

[silent depot]

i think my highest is 35 on a bs piece which is nice, except I don't have any built cryo characters lol

[silent depot]

rotate function.....

[rotund sun]

I think this is my highest CV piece? Well, tied for it. I have a HoD feather and a BS Def% sands with the same stats.

[sick kayak]

GIMME THAT

[rotund sun]

It's literally carrying the crit rate of my Ganyu. I can't. lmao

Are you taking pictures with a flip phone from 2006 or something.

[zealous raven]

Nah two separate device

[sick kayak]

why everyone has god artifact while i only get fine artifacts on MB and everything else are s**t

[lament galleon]

why r u even farming it

[sick kayak]

for venti...

[floral quiver]

I wonder why Im getting freezy around the flame. 😐

[lament galleon]

artifact rng suck so u gotta maximize ur chances of getting good ones

[lament galleon]

for example farm the hell out of esf domain bcos both sets from there are good

then strongbox the bad starting substat ones for vv

[floral quiver]

Emblem set is a pain

Same as the chasm domain

[zealous raven]

Agreed 🥲

[warped cedar]

my highest is 42.8%

[rotund sun]

I hate the Emblem domain. I could run that thing in my sleep at this point. lol

[lament galleon]

theyr all the same pain but esf is used by most chars

[floral quiver]

VV domain wasnt a problem for me, got all what I needed in few runs

[sick kayak]

the thing is, i have too many anemo chr, i gotta farm more vv to maximize the number of artifacts i get

but yeah, i agree esf is good for almost everyone

thinking to change domain to farm maybe

[warped cedar]

farm EoSF, fodder the bad into VV strongbox

[sick kayak]

yeah...

[lament galleon]

no lol ur wasting half of the pieces u get

[pale valley]

Same with Emblem domain for me, I only get usefull Shimanawa pieces

[sick kayak]

btw the best artifact i get in vv domain but mb 😇

if it was vv

realizing the fact i also need to farm vv for scara

[fluid atlas]

And Faruzan

[sick kayak]

agh

[pearl merlin]

i mean the 3 cr is kinda cringe 💀

[icy kraken]

@pearl merlin has leveled up to LEVEL 15

[warped cedar]

my second best CV piece is shim, because of exactly this

[warped cedar]

|| scara is gonna get his own artifact set https://ambr.top/en/archive/reliquary/15027/desert-pavilion-chronicle
and run with faruzan who can hold VV if you have an elemental sub dps||

[pearl merlin]

there was someone who wanted to talk to me for a long time but i didnt play on asia server for a long time omg

[floral quiver]

I will test that set with Xiao

[warped cedar]

so basically, don't prefarm VV for him unless you also need it for other users

[warped cedar]

it should be better than 2pc ATK/2pc VV, but not quite as good as his dedicated set - VH

[floral quiver]

Yh but that 40% plunging looks nice

That's why I said I will test

I use the chasm set

[sick kayak]

||oh, so scara is main dps?? i havent watched any leaks
thanks for the info!||

[warped cedar]

I still wanna see somebody test like, nilou bloom childe with VH

[warped cedar]

yeah, he's got a very unique kit

[sick kayak]

i still got venti, sucrose, kazuha, and faruzan to farm vv🥲

[warped cedar]

yeah if you don't have 2 full EM sets of VV, keep farming strongboxing

you don't ever need 3 sets

[floral quiver]

I use Kazuha full EM and Venti full Cr and cd 😂

[warped cedar]

yeah, this is what I do. if i needed to squeeze more DPS out of venti, he'd just borrow sucrose/kazuha pieces

[amber pond]

My highest

The fact that its on my alt and not on main hurts

[warped cedar]

for faruzan specifically don't worry too much about VV for her either - she has other set options, and as a support, ER sands will likely be better

and of course ||if they don't nerf her kit too badly, at c6 she might also be a viable anemo DPS, beta V2 her c6 was stronger than c0 wanderer||

[floral quiver]

Wasn't her c6 already nerfed?

[warped cedar]

yea, beta 3

[warped cedar]

i love the sumeru wings

i replaced the mondstadt wings on venti and sucrose even, lol

kuki also looks way better with them, since it matches her hair better than the inazuma wings clashing with her outfit

[sullen light]

Totm is the new artifact?

Oh it's not

[fiery gyro]

Totm is Tenacity of the Millelith

[sullen light]

Been ages since farming that

Can't remember

[ionic verge]

I hate the fact that I already farm em artifact of guilded dream for kuki, only to find triple hp% is better

Since I got nilou sword (with no nilou)

The sword give em to kuki, and some em to everyone base of kuki max hp

[warped cedar]

better in what sense? kuki's electro damage? team damage?

for hyperbloom damage, full EM set is better

[ionic verge]

Team

I need em for yae

[opaque nacelle]

also 3.3 new set

[ionic verge]

And I swap sucrose

For kazuha

Yae, mc dendro, kuki, kazuha

[opaque nacelle]

...yae and kuki will fight over ownership

[ionic verge]

Also kuki heal still scale of hp, but the sword give lot more em then her team, so I probably expect 4k heal per tick

[opaque nacelle]

nvm no hyperbloom

[ionic verge]

Aggravate ye

Both my hydro used for hu tao

And I only have 1 tenacity set on zhongli, so can't put that to kokomi

Kokomi using her clam set

[warped rune]

I wanna calculate Kuki EM builds now 🥴

Like with maxed substats

On different refinements of key of khaj

[ionic verge]

Oh ye, the line up simulator

[warped rune]

Not that

A google spreadsheet

Manually accounting for substats and scalings

To see at what point HP% > EM

X axis can be different builds like HP% on every piece with EM substats, then with HP substats, then ToTM and 2pc EM, then Gilded Dreams with 3 stacks, then 2pc 2pc

And Y axis can be Key of Khaj at different refinements

[ionic verge]

Oh I see

Tbh, I just go with Instinct first, and then fix it later

[warped cedar]

I think zajef's banner review for nilou covered the key EM comparison, but it was kind of a sidebar, there might be a spreadsheet link in his discord somewhere

[ionic verge]

Like I put 4set thunder fury on yae

Then heard everyone said is ok ish, to not even on recommend list

There also yae 4emblem set, I only heard once from 1 video guide of her

Everyone seem recommend guilded dream, or her old dps set, 2 set atk and 2 set thundering fury

[warped rune]

Realized I would kinda need a 3d sheet

I should find some way to work around that

[warped cedar]

her main source of damage is her skill, EoSF doesn't benefit that at all

[warped rune]

Yae 4 emblem is what genshin build team recommends as bis tho

But *

Only if not used in aggravate teams

And only if there's no other electro in the team

Iirc

[silent depot]

her ult hits hard but it's only worth it if you've got a bunch of mobs grouped up

[warped rune]

Yup, exactly it

[silent depot]

it's a waste of her totems that do good dmg to use eosf esp on bosses

[warped rune]

Also says 2pc TF 2pc ATK% hits just as hard

[ionic verge]

Lol, I don't have raiden, so 4emblem on yae is not what look forward

[vernal terrace]

Sexo

[warped rune]

Excuse me

[ionic verge]

I lost the 50/50 on her banner, and on nahida banner too

😔

[warped rune]

Use gilded dreams man

Wait

[ionic verge]

Tried to pull venti, not enough pull, atleast I got my zhongli

[warped rune]

Yeah you were the one that farmed it

Use gilded dreams, BiS for aggravate dps

[ionic verge]

Yeah, it would give yae 150 em instantly using guilded dreams

And atk bonus

In aggravate team

[warped rune]

And you can build her full em if you wanna try hyperblooming her

[ionic verge]

I know the potential, but I also know the limit of resin

😭

Dawg, I've suffer enough farming em stats, they're so hard to come by

[floral quiver]

I like the Ps wings

I use wings depending on the char

[warped cedar]

do you have to have created your account on PS to get those, or just log in to a PS once to get them?

[floral quiver]

I hv to create a psn acc with the email u used for Genshin. when u get into the game, u link the acc, then u get the psn sword/wings but u hv to claim it.

I don't remember if, after claiming the wings, u can equip it in other platforms

I think it can be used only on Ps platform

[warped cedar]

ah, ok

the weapons are definitely only on the Ps platform

the wings just say "special reward given to players on "playstation network"

booo

[fallow siren]

so unfair

[floral quiver]

Yh, psn sucks

[lament galleon]

all the ps stuff are only usable on ps

[winter fjord]

Guy

Guys

I’m so proud of myself

But my mum ain’t

I got 9/50 on my maths test

[warped rune]

Why would you be proud

If that's higher than last time, congrats

If not, are you proud of doing badly?

[pearl merlin]

i got a 4 out of 10 in math yesterday

honestly im not even disappointed tho

since i know I DIDNT HAVE TIME TO FINISH

AND COULDVE GOTTEN LIKE A 6

OR MORE

[warped rune]

Imma get started on that sheet I was gonna make

About Kuki scaling

(lotsa math)

[warped rune]

looking promising for a conversion from a 4d table

still not em, just hp values

assuming max substat rolls

[left tapir]

hallo I'd like to get ppls opinions on the best hutao team comp?

[pearl merlin]

what the fuck

[pearl merlin]

i usually go for barbara, bennett and diona, hydro or cryo for melt dmg and bennet for more atk in the party

[left tapir]

u setting me up for failure 😔

THOSE R ALL HEALERS

💔

[warped rune]

ikr

[pearl merlin]

nahh broski i be hittin tens of hundreds of dmg wit dat !!!!!

[left tapir]

nah fam

[warped rune]

then i'm gonna convert the hp into em values

[upbeat dune]

Jj

[left tapir]

i hav zhongli, xingqiu, fischl and hutao on teamcomp rn

[pearl merlin]

barbara instead of fischl bro

[left tapir]

is vaporize comp better (mona,xing,zhong,hutao

[left tapir]

😔

[pearl merlin]

idek if certain reactions do more dmg so

[warped rune]

so you're running overvape?

[left tapir]

yes

I quit for a while so Idk what the meta is rn

[warped rune]

i bet sucrose would do well in that team

i really dont know about hu tao tho

[pearl merlin]

polomo we dont speak about vaping here, its highly addictive

[warped rune]

yes very bad

[left tapir]

its been a year since I last played

ok thnx doe

[pearl merlin]

klee comps?

[left tapir]

I dont hab klee

what does tighnari do

[pearl merlin]

i want klee comps

[left tapir]

I got him earlier

[pearl merlin]

he do dmg

dendro

[left tapir]

i hav no idea what he does

o

he kinda ugly tho

I might js never use him

[pearl merlin]

ok

klee comps?

[left tapir]

my friend has klee

so sure

[pearl merlin]

i dont have kazoo or layla yet

wat do i do

[left tapir]

what doez layla do

[jagged flume]

uh, are the genshin servers down? I can get to the door but it then gives me connection timed out

[warped rune]

how do they even know layla is good

layla sucks

[left tapir]

um depends

its not down for me

[pearl merlin]

apparently healing and shield

[left tapir]

im in asia

[warped rune]

layla doesnt heal

shield is meh

[warped rune]

doesnt buff either

[pearl merlin]

it was talking abt diona apparently

[warped rune]

yeah, she's only good for shielding and off field cryo dps

[pearl merlin]

but shield and const cryo app

[warped rune]

i guess that's a team where she isnt that bad

[pearl merlin]

im not abt to do a f2p team 💀

[warped rune]

actually using her for the dps not for shield

[warped rune]

because her shield sucks

[warped rune]

good team

[pearl merlin]

id switch sucrose with either raiden or zhongli

or even xingqiu

[desert root]

Why

[pearl merlin]

since idk how swirl works

brain no work

[desert root]

Sucrose is insanely good as buffer

[warped rune]

ikr

especially since vaporize

[desert root]

Plus she holds ttds

[pearl merlin]

ive been asking for an explanation of swirl and stuff but idk

[warped rune]

swirl lowers enemy res by 40%

[lament galleon]

vv

[desert root]

Vv u mean

[warped rune]

yes

[pearl merlin]

i aint got vv

[warped rune]

but they are a duo

[lament galleon]

sounds like u problem then lol

[warped rune]

you dont got any other characters built for team

[pearl merlin]

didnt know thanks

[lament galleon]

vv arguably strongest set

[warped rune]

you're gonna have to build some

[pearl merlin]

i will

some time

in years

[warped rune]

farm for vv and do sucrose tbh

em buffing or attack if you want

or both ig

[pearl merlin]

honestly my only excuse is being lazy and 'wanting to perfect klee build' but like.

[warped rune]

so you "want" to

[pearl merlin]

i should get my ass up for once like i did in enkanomiya

but my motivation comes in on weekends

💀

[lament galleon]

once u get like somewhat decent investment on a char its always better to build up supports than to throw resources at them infinitely

[pearl merlin]

well i guess this might be good enough to start supports

right

i will need some em for klee then

[lament galleon]

widsith momen

[pearl merlin]

😭

what else do i do

[swift crane]

lost prayer where

[pearl merlin]

gonna go sleep and im finna get my grind on in the weekend

[pearl merlin]

bowlshite i dont pull

[swift crane]

skill issue

[pearl merlin]

oh right 33 crit rate

but like i dont wanna use up wishes

what if i get ass weapons

[lament galleon]

solar pearl is fine

[pearl merlin]

u think im abt to buy bp just for klee

[swift crane]

why not

[alpine zenith]

i have a question i got albedo to boost my hu tao but idk how to play him sos😢😢

how do i even use him

[swift crane]

off field dps

his second passive gives active character 125 EM on burst

[alpine zenith]

i gave him my itto artifacts

skull emoji

[pearl merlin]

childe is coming tomorrow?

[lament galleon]

even mappa mare is better

[alpine zenith]

ooo

[pearl merlin]

guess i can use up some wishes

[sick kayak]

use e and his job is done lol

[swift crane]

for like 10 seconds i think

[alpine zenith]

how do i activate that again??

[warped rune]

the 2pc 2 pc with atk goblet

lmao

[swift crane]

breh

just level him

[alpine zenith]

ohh okay so burst means nothing right

i dont play genshun alot

im very late

[pearl merlin]

i give no fucks

[sick kayak]

press q for 125 em

[swift crane]

just use e, q, swap off

[alpine zenith]

okok

thats it??

[sick kayak]

sorry i was wrong

[swift crane]

give him some ER so he gets his burst back automatically

[sick kayak]

yeah

[alpine zenith]

wow thats easy

[swift crane]

because his e lasts for 30s on the ground

basically every time u hit something it follows up with a geo attack

[alpine zenith]

yhh not sure if i have much i can check though

[swift crane]

so many geo particle

[alpine zenith]

whats a good team with albedo and hu tao??

I have zhongli kazuha ganyu uhh ayato uh

maybe i should just send a ss of my chara

i have these 5 stars

i should wish more

[sick kayak]

you can put him into itto pt

[silent depot]

albedo hu tao zhongli xq is pretty cracked

[sick kayak]

actually i think its better than hutao team

[swift crane]

^ this

[alpine zenith]

oh bet

[swift crane]

geo resonance good

especially with zhongli

[sick kayak]

yeah

[alpine zenith]

can i use ayatos weapon on xq??

does it work

[swift crane]

eh

the passive isnt really that useful

[alpine zenith]

oh should i just stick with sac?

[sick kayak]

sac is already good

[swift crane]

sac is very good on him yes

[alpine zenith]

okay thank u

i should play more

get better artifacts for xq

nayways ty ttyl

[sick kayak]

yw!

i want qiqi badly so i dont have to worry abt my hp during exploration :/

[icy kraken]

@sick kayak has leveled up to LEVEL 1

[swift crane]

based qiqi enjoyer

[sick kayak]

like i have c1 on most of other standard chr but still 0 qiqi

[swift crane]

simple

hoyo wants you to worry about hp during exploration

[sick kayak]

curse you hoyo

im running my world while everyone is having below 20% hp
it gives chill on my spine
yet im too lazy to heal them

[silent depot]

sweet madames

[swift crane]

zhongli where

[sick kayak]

zhongli on bench

[swift crane]

do you not have jean

[sick kayak]

yes i have

[warped cedar]

burst healing in overworld tho

[swift crane]

why not

[warped cedar]

everything dies before you get energy back

[sick kayak]

umm i dont have open space for her...?

[warped cedar]

qiqi takes the same amount of space?

i mean, i love qiqi

so i'm not trying to talk you out of wanting her

[sick kayak]

yeah i understand your point. i just prefer qiqi than jean and other healers

sorry if it sounded serious

also i dont have artifacts for jean :/

[warped cedar]

yeah, she does have advantages on an exploration team

sayu is probably her closest competition

[sick kayak]

maybe im tired of switching my artifacts

so yeah thanks for suggesting her
i really wish if i can use her more often

[alpine zenith]

uhh what artifacts should i use for xq again

the water one right??

or the er

[rotund sun]

Emblem.

[alpine zenith]

tyy

[rotund sun]

Or 2 HoD 2 Atk%.

Whichever tbh.

[lament galleon]

4esf will b better unless ur trying to nuke the E or something

[warped rune]

this monstrosity. calculating kuki shinobu hyperbloom em values with khaj. because maybe, just maybe, building hp is better?

even with max substats and r5, a full em build (G3, in the horribly organized sheet) is way more than double the em of a full hp build (T1)

1220 vs 511

i feel like this was a bit of a waste of time

[lament galleon]

yea

[warped rune]

it's almost like the conclusion was obvious from the get-go

[lament galleon]

yea...

[alpine zenith]

should i lvl 90 my sac 🧐🧐

[lament galleon]

i mean key is still usable as weapon if u hav nobody else to put it on

[alpine zenith]

or save my mora

[rotund sun]

It wasn't the results that mattered. It was the friends we made along the way, Polomo.

[lament galleon]

but unless u hav a useless key stting around just craft an iron sting

[warped rune]

it does give a bit more em off the unleveled hp% rolls. i accounted for them

and in the sands, goblet and circlet it's a way to squeeze off a bit more

since they can't have em as a substat

[lament galleon]

ic

[warped rune]

for a full em build it gives 151 more em

the damage!!

i must calculate it

[swift crane]

diminishing returns tho

[warped rune]

exactly

can this possibly be true?

i guess she has a shit ton of em so 30k makes sense

[swift crane]

eh

i feel like building hp would be more beneficial given the heals

[warped rune]

well, let's compare the heals

tho bear in mind she's meant to be a dps

hyperbloom and all

[swift crane]

kuki?

are u sure about that

[warped rune]

...yeah

i'm doing the math for kuki hyperbloom dps

like, one of the best DPS's currently?

with khaj it would indeed be somewhat worth it to build hp since she shares it and all, but as hyperbloom specifically i don't think that would be worth too much?

since she's the one triggering the reaction, only her em matters

ohhh waiiit a minute

i'm missing a big thing

i forgot to account for the sword's 66.2% HP stat

[lament galleon]

why using excel

when can use optimzer

[warped rune]

does optimizer tell you about healing tick?

[lament galleon]

yes

u can graph target vs another target

[warped rune]

no fun

where optimizer

[lament galleon]

and it actually uses ur available inventory instead of just theoretical math

[warped rune]

that's where you lose me

[lament galleon]

so it gives u the actual graph that u'll practically achieve with ur account

[warped rune]

my thing here is specifically the theoretical max!!

because it's at the limit things get interesting

it's at the limit we know if we're being dumb- i mean, if khaj is or isn't a good weapon

[lament galleon]

thats dumb bcos theoretical max is never staying still

[warped rune]

(it is not. we knew that)

yes it is

[lament galleon]

it always depends on too much other stuff

[warped rune]

the theoretical max exists precisely because it stays still

[lament galleon]

depends on team depends on buffs depends on debuffs depends on enemy depends on moon phase

[warped rune]

it's the in game values that vary

[lament galleon]

no the theoretical max is provably not still

[warped rune]

"theoretical" is broad

[lament galleon]

bcos if any of those i just brought up changes it all changes

[warped rune]

there is no one theoretical max

there are many reasonable theoretical things

[lament galleon]

right so then u admit ur not calculating a theoretical max but instead of some random number thats not useful in any real situation

[warped rune]

i would argue when taking into account specific scenarios like abyss moon phase is precisely when it stops being theoretical

[warped rune]

it is certainly a theoretical max

but it's also certainly not that useful

i said that earlier lol

[lament galleon]

i think ur right that key is good weapon

[warped rune]

i didnt say it was

i said it was bad, actually

[lament galleon]

o

[warped rune]

well, idk

[lament galleon]

i thought u said it was bad trying to stack its passive, which makes sense

[warped rune]

i didnt say it in those words

i mean tbh

we have tons of em buffs

characters using key in all likelihood wont make the best use of it

it's... pretty bad

[lament galleon]

but regardless of how good it is its probably still not worth lol which is the important thing

[warped rune]

without considering enemy resistances we saw an increase of 2.1k dmg in an optimal situation.

[warped rune]

yeah lmao

but yeah my point is i was doing that for fun not as a build guide

[lament galleon]

whats that over, iron sting?

[warped rune]

over not using it

like, no weapon at all

[lament galleon]

oh wtf

[warped rune]

actually the value might be a bit higher since i didn't account for the 66.2% hp

but still pretty low

given... r5 and all

all you can do for hyperbloom is higher em and lower dendro res tbh

[warped cedar]

i wanted key for kuki because i wanted her to be less susceptible to one-shotting while still getting a chunk of EM, which is hard to quantify

[lament galleon]

i really dont like kuki as healer

[warped rune]

yeah, i guess. it has its purpose in survivability

[lament galleon]

i think i rather a hydro healer in that team with off field raiden as proc

even barbara is better

[warped rune]

but like, a weapon for survivability? that's not unlike the 3* healer weapons lol

or koko

you're statistically more likely to get kokomi than key

and she is standard bloom comp member

maybe better for a nilou comp, but you can use her in other situations too

[warped cedar]

barbara's hydro app is trash, you wouldn't be getting yr 2x hyperblooms per tick

[lament galleon]

onfield barbara is fine

[warped rune]

tbh yeah that would actually be pretty good

since kuki is also off field

there's no one character to be on field, so you might as well go ham on someone else's tankiness

[warped cedar]

my account is proof of this - and i do run koko in salad on the other side

[lament galleon]

u can get more seeds out of barbara if u position better

bcos icd is per enemy

[warped rune]

updated hp and this 511 went up to 569

in turn, damage bonus went up to this

just under 2.9k

800 more dmg wow

[lament galleon]

plus theres actually not very good em sword

dbane is way more em

[warped cedar]

yeah, it's kinda weird that lion's roar works so differently when they seem to be the same suite

[silent depot]

see: skyward harp

[lament galleon]

spears r just superior

[warped cedar]

polearm impact

[warped rune]

600 bonus damage against iron sting

[warped cedar]

right like that sounds shit, except you have iron sting damage with invincibility

[warped rune]

you can have invincibility if you use on-field hydro healer

[silent depot]

I don't do math for my kuki, but on iron sting, she seems better than key

[warped rune]

we have like 2 of those

[warped rune]

and the iron sting damage is r5... i need to compare the different refinements

only at r4 does key surpass iron sting

[lament galleon]

iron sting refines do nothing

[warped rune]

i mean key refines

yes. 5* refinements

now i think this was pretty worth it

owning key of khaj simps with facts and logic

only remaining use cases are nilou and hp scaling, non dps, supports

since then you get free em when you'd already be building hp

now whether or not it's worth it... we can calculate!!

okay so tbh you'd only want key in shinobu and layla. bennett is a stretch, and other hp "scaling" characters like ayato and xingqiu want to be as far away from it as possible

[silent depot]

literally did not need a spreadsheet to know that

[warped rune]

i'm going through the process

you can see that i didn't post any calculations yet

(involving layla, that is)

[silent depot]

just sayin'. no process was needed lol but you do you 👍

[warped rune]

this is actually pretty good if i didn't do a blunder

not realistic, of course

[lament galleon]

what r u gonna use em for on layla

[warped rune]

no, not on layla

[silent depot]

melt

[warped rune]

what she gives to other characters

the second part of key passive

[silent depot]

why would you get an r5 key if not just for nilou tbh

[warped rune]

i'm pushing it to the extreme attempting to prove it's bad

2nd time I manage to clutch pitty

[silent depot]

congrats!

[warped rune]

It was extremely stressful

i'm trying to get nahida too. 70 pity iirc

congrats

[silent depot]

i know it's getting chilly out in some places but you need grass

[warped rune]

this data is way less useful tbh

Now time to try and get yae

the kuki one was actually somewhat valuable

if it's bad at its best, it's bad, but if it's good at its best, it's debatable

so yeah idk if it would actually be a good weapon if used on layla

[lament galleon]

i mean its hp and her shield scales off hp righ

so i guess

its not bad,

[warped rune]

She's ok

i guess it's BiS tbh

From what I've seen

just it doesn't make it worth pulling

much less r5

[lament galleon]

but why the heck would u pull a 5 star weapon for a bad shield from a limited 4 star char when u could just save for zhongli insted

[warped rune]

ikr

tbh now i wanna calc layla r5

remember i did the diona vs layla thing

[lament galleon]

useless

lament

[warped rune]

I mean she could be used kinda like diona except you already have Ur diona somewhat built and leveled

Except me cause I still haven't got diona

So the banner is real good for me

[lament galleon]

she has no healing and instead does a little bit more damage

[warped rune]

Plus I wanna be able to play kusanali+ganyu melt. Meaning Thoma cons might come in handy

So I'll be rolling anyways

[lament galleon]

use bennet

[warped rune]

Yeah sure but what if he's busy on another team

yeah ikr

burning melt is suboptimal, no?

As in, atleast I've got options

[lament galleon]

it is yea

[warped rune]

Yea but I've got pretty bad blizzard artifacts at the moment

[lament galleon]

why r u playing melt ganyu if u cant spare bennet

[warped rune]

layla is only good if you're using her for her cryo app/off field dps

[silent depot]

i love thoma but don't be pulling on a banner just for him dfkahsdkfahs he ain't worth it

[lament galleon]

play ganyu as cryo support or somthing instead

[warped rune]

Mo I'm pulling for yae

As in, I would like to get her

if you wanna get her for the shield, really not worth it unless idk you have Key lmfao

Probably wont

[silent depot]

ah okay then, you're fine lol

[willow reef]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNgrku2z_iBnkk9rXUaVWvce35GygPRau

[lament galleon]

just keep in mind that yae is generally worse than fischl
basically the only situation where shes not worse than fischl is when u want two fischls

[silent depot]

yes but. I would not ask fish to step on me

[warped rune]

I don't. But I don't have. And I want some thoma cons and yae would be good. And also I'm not interested in anyone from 3.3 so I'll pull regardless

[icy kraken]

@warped rune has leveled up to LEVEL 3

[lament galleon]

would u ask oz

[silent depot]

JSKDFHLKSJDH

maybe

(yes)

[lament galleon]

cos thats what u actually play xd

when u play yae u actually play yae bcos she takes so much time

but when play fishcl u dont u just play oz

[silent depot]

RIP but not wrong

[warped rune]

Also fischl might be better but yae 😳

[silent depot]

i don't play oz tho

he has a mind of his own

[silent depot]

not might tbh

definitely

sadly

[lament galleon]

the a4 doesnt

and thats the big part

[silent depot]

in almost all situations

[lament galleon]

a4 hits whatever u hit with reaction

[warped rune]

Fisch does more damage but yae 😳

[silent depot]

i mean

see my comment about yae stepping on me

so

I'm not disagreeing lol

and yae prob does more raw damage

but fish is an overall better teammate

[lament galleon]

personally i hate those personalities

hate yae hate kaeya

they cant say anything straight

[silent depot]

do you just not like words with ae

[lament galleon]

yea

thats why i pick lumine

[silent depot]

that's cus they aren't

[warped rune]

I pick lumine because idk

But I'm happy with her

More damage

[silent depot]

All the characters I love in game, I would hate irl lol

I hate dishonest creeps irl but in game? GIMME THAT SHIT GIVE ME ALL THE SUS

[lament galleon]

[warped rune]

Wdym dishonest creeps

[silent depot]

wdym wdym

they are dishonest and creeps

lol

dunno how to elaborate

[warped rune]

I mean I don't really consider genshin characters particularly creepy

[silent depot]

toxicity irl? not thanks
toxic 2d fictional characters? GIMME THAT SHIT

[warped rune]

tbh i agree lmfao

The last time I was creeped off in genshin was ( and I know a lot of people like him) was with Arnold on 2.8

The bird from the immernachsreich

it's just when everyone's so sweet and kind, someone morally grey is more interesting and therefore we're more drawn to them

Or rather uncomfortable

[silent depot]

i'm tired of being nice irl, lemme go ape shit in game

[warped rune]

Society amirigh

by everyone i mean like every single character acts kind and willing and eveyrthing to the character, it starts to feel unnatural

[silent depot]

good boy good girl characters BORE me

[warped rune]

No but seriously who's creepy?

[warped rune]

they just bore us because it's the only thing we get tbh

Kaeya and yae are just playful tbh

i would like the personality, if every single character didnt have it!

[silent depot]

honestly, I think you're just using a much too literal definition of creepy

[warped rune]

that's why barbara and noelle are bland af

because they don't really have anything else going for them

[lament galleon]

morally grey is fine, but compulsive lying disorder is not a morally grey issue

[warped rune]

their lives spin around their archetype of being kind

[silent depot]

no one is that nice irl and if they were I would be scared as hell cus they're harbouring some BAD THOUGHTS

[warped rune]

💀

[warped rune]

who does that again?

[lament galleon]

yae, kaeya

[warped rune]

i dont think so

[silent depot]

I don't think they are compulsive liars though? they have reasons for it

[warped rune]

it's just they aren't so willing to say the entire truth. no one is, in reality

[icy kraken]

@warped rune has leveled up to LEVEL 12

[silent depot]

well maybe yae doesn't lmfao

but she's also modelled after a fox which has those traits

[lament galleon]

thats literly the definition of lying??

[silent depot]

so design wise, she's interesting

[lament galleon]

yea

[warped rune]

yeah but not necessarily compulsive

[lament galleon]

but i just saying i dont like her

[silent depot]

again, irl? dodge me with that shit

[lament galleon]

and "morally gray" is not a good reason

[silent depot]

but in game, delicious design

[lament galleon]

theres much better morally gray characters that arnt so plain annoying to interact with

[warped rune]

they are aware they're withholding information, it's part of like strategy and whatnot, though ig they are already pretty close to the traveler so they dont have any reason for it

[lament galleon]

i would avoid every chance to interact with yae at all cost

[silent depot]

I don't think kaeya or yae are morally gray though!?!

they have good morals???

[warped rune]

tbh yeah

[floral shale]

What is the debate about? Scaramouche?

[warped rune]

i used the wrong expression

[warped rune]

liking characters with somewhat toxic characteristics

[floral shale]

Oh

[warped rune]

they have good intentions, and imo that makes it better

[silent depot]

and liking characteristics in fictional characters when you wouldn't like them in real people

[warped rune]

makes it so they aren't plain evil, just more interesting

they never manipulate you to do something wrong, or at least not that i've seen

[lament galleon]

idk looking at characters like yae and kaeya just instantly makes me annoyed

[silent depot]

if yae was morally grey, she wouldn't have helped you defeat her bff

[silent depot]

fair

[lament galleon]

manipulative is manipulative regardless of moral

[silent depot]

looking at noelle makes me annoyed lol

hmm maybe I just don't find yae manipulative

[lament galleon]

but looking at noelle/razor/etc makes me annoyed at mihoyo not the character

[warped rune]

i mean yeah they're manipulative ig. we can say that, to some degree

i wouldn't say yae is either, maybe kaeya

[silent depot]

kaeya definitely

[warped rune]

yeah kaeya has you go on the harbinger of dawn thing

that's a pretty good example

[silent depot]

but we also don't know his whole deal, which makes him an interesting CHARACTER

[warped rune]

fr

[silent depot]

not an interesting PERSON, an interesting CHARACTER

[lament galleon]

idk i think diluc is more interesting than kaeya

kaeya is cring

[silent depot]

diluc boring af ngl

[lament galleon]

wym he larps batman

aint so boring

[silent depot]

he has protagonist vibes, which a lot of the time is boring

[lament galleon]

kaeya wears fake eyepatch and pretends to b cool

[warped cedar]

that's WHY he's boring

[warped cedar]

kanri'ah lore

[lament galleon]

i sleep

[silent depot]

gn!

[lament galleon]

no i mean at kanria lore

has nothing to do with the character

[warped rune]

i find diluc more interesting than kaeya

what we know of his past and the impacts on his personality is more developed imo

there's nothing to find interesting about a character if you don't know much about them to begin with[

[silent depot]

i find it the opposite. his character seems to be forced to me

like they wanted him to be one way but didn't quite execute

[warped rune]

diluc's deal in the manga and all is pretty good, and his relationship with kaeya is more entertaining than each of the brothers separately

[lament galleon]

kaeya as a person is just a cring mess that doesnt know how to interact with anyone or do anything properly
even his role in knights make no sense bcos theres no cavalry

[warped rune]

yeah i dislike kaeya

he's more edgy than diluc frr

[lament galleon]

yea just edgy cringe

thats his character

[warped rune]

i find kaeya more interesting than noelle and brahbruh

but diluc does edgy way better tbh

kaeya is just kind of shitty

he's interesting, but i don't feel attracted to him

not like sexually attracted, like, just attracted in general

[lament galleon]

i like barbara thers some cool sister dynamic between her and jean where they each r jealos of the other

[warped rune]

wHEn wiLL i bE aS tAlL As mY BiG sIsTer

from what i know of the lore their relationship isn't that fleshed out either?

i haven't looked at events tho

[lament galleon]

barbara wants to be as mature and impactful to mond as jean and jean wants to be as free and as connected with mond's people as barbara

[desert root]

LALalaLaLAla

[lament galleon]

although the barbara fan club is cring

[warped rune]

jean's story quest with the dandelion vs lion fang question was decent imo

[silent depot]

a lot of mond characters feel incomplete tbh

[desert root]

in my newbie era, barbruh and bennett both drove me crazy with their idle

[desert root]

u forgot to add the extremely

[warped rune]

xiao: moans

[warped cedar]

for real. and beidou, her glugglugglug sounds like a cat puking

[desert root]

LMFAO

REAL

[lament galleon]

i think thats just language u using

[desert root]

WHNE MY CAT PUKE HAIRBALL THATS THE SOUND

[warped cedar]

my cat doesn't have language packs, sorry

[lament galleon]

for me personally i think the voice acting all sounds more cringe when i can understand it

sounds great when i cant understand

so i use JP voiceover

[warped rune]

LMAO FR

[warped cedar]

i've been tempted to switch to CN for xiao

[lament galleon]

used korean for a bit but i think i like jp better

[warped cedar]

since i like his gameplay but hate his edgelord EN characterization

[lament galleon]

LAMENT

USELES

[warped rune]

i like english xiao

fight me

[desert root]

real

[warped cedar]

makes sense, you're a devil's advocate edgelord

[desert root]

korean sounds very dramatic, in a good way

[warped rune]

heyyy

but you're right

[desert root]

jp just hit the sweet spot

[warped rune]

also fyi devil's advocate was a position at the catholic church for a while

that's where the name comes from

[desert root]

for me CN is fucking cringe because that's my mother tongue lmfao

[warped rune]

it isn't actually satanism or dark stuff lol

[sage wind]

How to use the paimon.moe :Đ?

[desert root]

define how

you can start by checking #❓・faq

or pinned messages

[warped rune]

in android check pins

[desert root]

or the page itself

[warped rune]

so yeah i was gonna say i don't think xiao is too much of an edgelord after his quests and shit

i think his moaning voiceline really shows that to some extent

ptsd and stuff

on the other hand

i also identify with him because i'm an edgelord myself

https://tenor.com/view/emobob-sponegbob-emo-black-gif-15432960

[desert root]

he's uh

fine

but the amount of emo is memeable

[warped rune]

i'll be right back

Xiao is funny (also very tall)

But I like cyno better

Both are hot tho 😳

Xiao is taller than cyno lol

Yeah cause xiao is very tall

[desert root]

?

[rotund sun]

wat

[desert root]

are you playing a different game

if you are referring to paimon page counts

its not accurate

[rotund sun]

Oh yeah. You're the one who said Nahida is bad and then tried to say she was amazing.

[warped cedar]

with 4 less weeks than ayaka

this chart also has problems/biases, but

[desert root]

just CN alone, nahida got 18M USD within 3 days

if anything her sales did better than any of the existing character

and mind you this is only CN iOS

maybe fact check first next time

[rotund sun]

He's uh.

[icy kraken]

@rotund sun has leveled up to LEVEL 15

[rotund sun]

Dumb.

For lack of a better term.

[silent depot]

[versed otter]

[rotund sun]

I know. Controversial statement.

[desert root]

man has spoken the unspokable

the earth shall shookth

river shall flood with blood

[versed otter]

Forbidden knowledge moment

[silent depot]

And mhy shall give freemos

[desert root]

and my ass crack shall shat

[versed otter]

[silent depot]

WOT

[desert root]

AYO

eh hem

i can explain

[rotund sun]

Just the crack. Not the actual part that normally does it.

[desert root]

i was

hacked

[silent depot]

The entire crack

[rotund sun]

[silent depot]

Instead of just the hole it's supposed to come out of

[desert root]

I think that's called bleeding

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[warped cedar]

fistula, technically

[silent depot]

This is the wildest channel lmfao

[desert root]

ah good someone well verse in medical

save my ass

[versed otter]

I've seen worse

[rotund sun]

[silent depot]

One cannot be saved from clownassery

[warped cedar]

i mean when it's already this far off the rails, might as well just join in

[desert root]

clearly u havent been in this server during the yoimiya armpit era

[versed otter]

My friend general channel has stuff weirder than what Lovecraft can imagine

[warped cedar]

yelan?

[silent depot]

THANK THE ARCHONS I GUESS?!

[rotund sun]

The what era.

[desert root]

nope

[desert root]

lmfao

[warped cedar]

i must've been sleeping.

or working.

just anything better with my time

[silent depot]

Touching grass maybe

[desert root]

tldr: one dude named "yoimiya armpit" was stirring chaos with nsfw topic, gone now though

[silent depot]

I don't rmbr when I actually started being active here 🤔

[silent depot]

Good

[desert root]

i wasnt actually active too

but

[warped cedar]

oh god, was this the guy who changed his name to something obscene about itto?

[desert root]

chaos

[silent depot]

Omg I rmbr that

[desert root]

nah the dude was gone

[rotund sun]

I mean there was that one dude named Ittosthrobbing[redacted].

[desert root]

banned

[silent depot]

That was recent tho

[warped rune]

did he get banned??w

[desert root]

naw fuck wat the hell is that

i didnt know that

[floral quiver]

Would it be another Celestia Pillar? 🤔

[silent depot]

Possible tbh

[versed otter]

Yes

[desert root]

the only pillar here is ZHONGLI's BIG PIL-

[rotund sun]

[versed otter]

That blueish hue is similar to 2 of the celestial pillar we saw

[silent depot]

EJECT YOURSELF

[warped rune]

i was expecting the sumeru sub area to be khaen'riah

[desert root]

[this user has been banned due to inappropriate behaviour]

[warped rune]

and pillars are typically found in sub areas

also since khaen'riah was celestia'd it'd make sense for it to have a pillar

like, say, dragonspine (celestia'd)

[floral quiver]

Khaenri'ah is not part of Teyvat map

[warped rune]

so are chasm and enkanomiya

[silent depot]

insert inappropriate comment about doms and subs

[rotund sun]

[desert root]

i just had the weirdest idea appearing in my brain

[silent depot]

Several people are typing

[floral quiver]

Dragonspine Pillar is not in a sub-area...

[rotund sun]

Do tell.

[warped rune]

there are theories that say khaenriah is upside down from chasm

[desert root]

the hanging pillars, they are some what upside down aint it

[warped rune]

it is a sub area, just not one in another map

[warped rune]

so it's in the general vicinity

imo hyv will hold it off like they did chasm (won't release right after the region) and it'll come later

maybe they'll hint at it in following versions, maybe not 3.x tho

[silent depot]

The abyss in general is prob upside down given that missing statue in mind?!

[warped cedar]

yet somehow the inazuma compas works in enka
the liyue compass works in the chasm
and dragonspine is just SOL

[warped rune]

and the city in chasm was also upside down

[silent depot]

Mhy didn't think ahead far enough lol

[warped rune]

yeah probably connected

[warped cedar]

why is this the first time i've had that thought

[desert root]

nah dragospine was just bad design at the time

[rotund sun]

I honestly think that is more of them not thinking ahead rather than any sort of lore. lol

[floral quiver]

Maybe the chasm wasn't really what it is now (?

[desert root]

they only expected genshin to last until stormlizard chapter

yes storm lizard

[warped rune]

also it would make sense for khaenriah to be in sumeru since you know they'd have to be really smart to make the machines and shit

and wisdom

yk

[silent depot]

Why would a whole country be in another country

[desert root]

well isnt the point of khaenriah is they dont have a god

so it wont have anything to do with sumeru

[warped rune]

maybe sumeru wasn't as unified 500 years ago

[silent depot]

Also why would it be in sumeru when the whole game has hints that it's accessible from mond instead

[warped rune]

maybe sumeru didn't comprise the same territory

[warped rune]

they separated from sumeru

imo this isn't even a "maybe", it's just likely tbh

[desert root]

true

if anything it's more related to the temple of time or something

[warped rune]

where is it implied it's close to mond?

besides the connection one would make that the game end would be somewhat related to the start

"it was there all along!"

[desert root]

woke up near monds, literally the beginning

[floral quiver]

I've seen this somewhere, don't remember.

[desert root]

also the abyss island positioning super sus

[warped rune]

hmm idk tbh

what does wind and time have to do with it?

time, i guess

is time some khaenriah business?

[alpine zenith]

whats a goof hu tao nuke team?? Im trying to get max dmg im tired of her 500k i got in january with her old build

[desert root]

more like just time

yes

[floral quiver]

There is an Island right there

[warped rune]

well if time is khaenrian

[desert root]

slaps all supports on her?

[floral quiver]

U hv to use stamina food to reach there

[desert root]

diona, sucrose, variation

ig

[warped rune]

i know the island lmao

[alpine zenith]

bet ty

[warped rune]

but yeah what's the connection between khaenriah and time?

[floral quiver]

Oh sry

[warped rune]

is it like kaeya lore too?

[floral quiver]

Haven't check Kaeya lol

[warped rune]

well i would say this is less believable

since chasm is the closest we've got to abyss stuff

there's khaenriah civilization there

or what used to be*

i guess it could be some sort of colony, but with the upside down motif... idk

i think the flat earth/upside down khaenriah theory is more interesting

[floral quiver]

The traveler had something in mind when he/she went to Dvalin temple with Dainslef

[warped rune]

after all, if they lived upside down, celestia wouldn't be able to snipe them as easily

[floral quiver]

I don't think they lived upside down

I think they were once over the earth

[warped rune]

i think there's more pointing towards something like that and/or towards a position closer to sumeru than for mond

but they did have connections all over the world

[floral quiver]

Then I wonder why Traveler appeared in Mondstat

[warped rune]

in enkanomiya too

[warped rune]

well, did they cross the sea?