💭・general

[wanton flame]

very

[ionic verge]

Get 4 yangfei and 2 Barbara on yelan banner

And 2 noelle

[ionic verge]

Bennet on yoimiya banner rn

Pull him, maybe(?)

Even just 1 bennet is pretty worth it

Don't do 10 pull btw, since u pulling 4stars

Just 1 by 1

[wanton flame]

i have lost the guaranteed 4* to 2 and 1 xd

[ionic verge]

Damn

[wanton flame]

wich means statistically i should get him pretty soon, i won't tho, that bad is my luck xd

[ionic verge]

Well hope u get lucky next time

My history wish meanwhile:

[wanton flame]

dude

[ionic verge]

Ngl though, I still really want c6 Noelle then c5 Bennett

She's still my beloved waifu

[round verge]

Momijiba

[wanton flame]

I used noelle a lot back when i still mained traveler, not so much nowadays

[round verge]

Money gone

[ionic verge]

I still kinda use Noelle when I use zhongli on other chamber

Both my first dps draining their hp anyway

Xiao and hu tao

But now that I have ayaka, diona is more fitting for sheild role

[wanton flame]

that's actually why i'm more scared the more i pull without bennet appearing, i want zhongli, but i don't think i'll be able to get him if i happen to pull

[wanton flame]

thus why my first question, i want to know if it's worth replacing barbara's healing for diona's shield

[ionic verge]

Well Barbara is catalyst

Meaning she can hold the ttds

But her healing tick is quite, slow

I think diona healing is faster

Then her, but not as fast as kuki

Plus u get shield from diona, which is instant extra hp indirectly

[wanton flame]

what's ttds?

[ionic verge]

Thrilling tales of dragon slayer

The 3stars weapon that give hp

[wanton flame]

oh right, i got her that one

[ionic verge]

And give atk% for next character u swap as

Yea

Pretty op 3 stars weapon

[wanton flame]

anyways, any good Accesible weapons for diona?

[ionic verge]

Well she need er

[wanton flame]

i got a few 4* bows

[ionic verge]

And hp

[warm plume]

[ionic verge]

Did u uh, talk to the NPC in inazuma, the one on dock

[wanton flame]

do you have any idea how little that narrows it down

i have talked to a lot of npcs in docks

but by the look of it it's probably a quest to get a bow recipe

[ionic verge]

This bow

This dude and that location

[wanton flame]

GTA online tho

[ionic verge]

Don't mind the ads lol

[desert root]

Sac bow is prolly better for diona

[wanton flame]

i got that one 😮

[ionic verge]

Lot of character need sacrificial series

[desert root]

For battery and shielding

[wanton flame]

i got two actually xd

[ionic verge]

R2 even better tho

Since u don't need to raise both bow

And have higher proc

[desert root]

If u have a few characters that need it

Like u just mentioned literally

[wanton flame]

battery is probably good because i have Xiangling in my team, and most of her dps comes from burst

[desert root]

It's a good idea to build separately

[ionic verge]

Yeap

[wanton flame]

that typo was tragic lmao

[desert root]

4 stars are easy to come by

[ionic verge]

True true, hmm

[desert root]

You can refine when it comes

Even if not it's not that terrible of a difference

[wanton flame]

talking about the bow or diona :I ?

[ionic verge]

Better shield go with recurve, better energy go with favonius

[desert root]

However if u need some characters for the sake of battering, consider favonius as well

[ionic verge]

But I think diona sheild is quite weak to begin wit

[wanton flame]

if i'll replace healer probably better to go with better shield tbh

i think i got recurve bow

[ionic verge]

Nice then

Oh yea diona also scale heal by hp, thats too

I use 2 tenacity and 2 emblem on her, with recurve, got about 30k hp

[wanton flame]

30k hp? i don't think i got a single character with so much hp xd

[ionic verge]

Lol same

Well actually I have zhongli, almost 60k

[wanton flame]

isn't that like, amazing considering his shield :I

[ionic verge]

I kinda switch zhongli circlet HP with crit rate, and black tassel with favonius lance

Sometimes

[wanton flame]

also, any specific main traits for the artifacts or should i go full hp% ?

[ionic verge]

Hnmm if u do want to use recurve I guess u can keep er sand

And let other character use favonuis bow

[wanton flame]

i got fishl in my team, but she has stringless

[ionic verge]

Hmm true

But isn't she like need er too?

Since her CD skill quite long

Her burst reset her skill, I believe

[wanton flame]

more like, her burst makes an oz, but is separate from the skill

wich means if skill is in cooldown and i use burst

when burst ends i can use skill

[ionic verge]

Yeah that, hm

I'm not sure how to build fischl, I haven't build her yet

But I do get c3 and stringless, so like, yea

Well anyway

Favonius, HP, HP, HP/Crit rate

Recurve, Er, HP, HP

2 tenacity and 2 emblem

I don't think diona need em more then er or hp

Or cryo bonus

And also u get free cryo bonus on her ascension, weirdly

[wanton flame]

wait what? like a talent?

[rugged thunder]

Ascension

[wanton flame]

yes, i meant an ascension locked talent xd

[ionic verge]

Just basic level up

Nope

[wanton flame]

what? how does that work :I

[ionic verge]

Idk why they decide to give her cryo bonus, she's not dps at all

[wanton flame]

is that just a stat she has?

[ionic verge]

Xiangling got free em, as well kazuha, it make sense

On ascension

[ionic verge]

Yeap

Her base cryo bonus goes up as u ascend her

[desert root]

It's just random

Sucrose has elemental bonus as well

[ionic verge]

Hmm, I guess they still have the philosophy of 1 character can do all

Like Noelle

Which I guess Bennet was suppose to be like that, but since his burst still on without him on field

[desert root]

Or just random bs go

[ionic verge]

Thats a quite op

Lol yeah

[wanton flame]

my team is that xd

[ionic verge]

As long it work, it work

[wanton flame]

ye, it can kill enemies 10 levels above surprisingly quickly

i just get Guoba and Oz out and then Heizou manages the rest while some overcharged happens xd, recently changing that to just Oz and heizou, since electro swirl works wonders with that ability Fishl has that makes Oz thunder enemies when doing an electro reaction, wich is even better with 4VV that makes the element used in swirl do more damage

god that's a lot of text xd

[ionic verge]

Yeap, vv is always good

Tbh, if u dont have bennet, I don't think diona needed in ur team

[wanton flame]

i'm still not sure if Heizou is the dps, or if it is Oz xd

[ionic verge]

Since cryo and electro

Hmmm, quite bad for heizou

U can replace bennet with Mona, I guess

[rugged thunder]

Physical heizou 💪

[wanton flame]

i got her actually

[ionic verge]

Oh nice

Hmm, wait, frezee also don't do damage

[wanton flame]

not really, it's just that the combination stated above makes so much electro damage from Oz

Heizou still destroys

[ionic verge]

Wait wait, but frezee are 2 element, so technically u get both cryo and hydro damage

From vv

I think (?)

[rugged thunder]

No

[ionic verge]

Hm

[wanton flame]

i'm trying to replace barbara where did the cryo came from if Barbara is replaced with Mona :I

[hot fiber]

over there ---------------->

[wanton flame]

huh, neat

[ionic verge]

It just that, electro and cryo just product super conduct

[wanton flame]

Mona is probably not good with my weird ass Heizou-Oz team i have xd

[ionic verge]

Something that u don't want for heizou

Yeah Mona can't replace Barbara, since she the only healer in ur team

[wanton flame]

i mean, i could replace Xiangling for now, she is still not c4

[hot fiber]

who need healer?

[ionic verge]

Me

[wanton flame]

most of the damage is from Heizou and Fishl

[ionic verge]

Oh why not replace Barbara with xingqui?

[desert root]

Best defense is a good offense
Kill them first so they can't kill you

[hot fiber]

Xingqiu does not healer.

[wanton flame]

probably because she's not an option

[ionic verge]

Actually that's better then diona for ur team

[ionic verge]

Xingqui heal player if the sword break

[desert root]

We know

[ionic verge]

And reduce damage base of xingqui hydro bonus damage

[desert root]

But he's still no healer

Barely

[hot fiber]

Xingqiu is capable of barely notable heals, not being a healer.

[ionic verge]

I use 2 tenacity and 2 emblem on him, lol

With circlet healing bonus

🪑 🔥

[hot fiber]

like trying to main heal with Sayu but only using E

[ionic verge]

I use er Sand and hydro goblet

[desert root]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[ionic verge]

And sac sword

Lol

[wanton flame]

hmmm, for now my must stay are Heizou and Fishl, with Barbara and in case it's needed Xiangling being replaced

[ionic verge]

My xingqui is build like semi healer then burst sheilder

[desert root]

He doesn't shield

[wanton flame]

man i need benent

benent benent

xd

[opaque nacelle]

not building XQ as a sub-DPS is such a waste

[hot fiber]

Beignets good healer. Kinda.

[wanton flame]

i mean, the best defence is a good offense, if i can kill faster i won't need as much healing rigth?

[hot fiber]

as long as you can kill, yes.

I mean before being dead.

[wanton flame]

so replacing barbara with bennet "IF" i get him good idea?

[hot fiber]

killing after being dead is somewhat less useful.

[wanton flame]

true

could just change Xiangling for bennet instead of barbara

[fiery gyro]

My bennett heals around 4-5k per second and its enough to keep me alive

[hot fiber]

In that case I'd definitely swap Barbs for Mona though.

[wanton flame]

huh?

[hot fiber]

if you swapped Xiangling for Bennett.

[wanton flame]

so Heizou, Fishl, Bennet and Mona?

[hot fiber]

yar

[wanton flame]

IF i get bennet

xd

[ionic verge]

Yeap, that's better team

Bennet is just that universal

Ngl

[wanton flame]

will start building my mona now then she's lvl50 😂

[hot fiber]

double buffer and Heizou to VV.

[ionic verge]

U can trow him in any team and it'll work

Most the time

[fiery gyro]

Bennett works with anyone at c0-c5 and still works with a lot of people at c6 it's crazy

[ionic verge]

I like to keep bennet at c5, ha

[wanton flame]

why tho? is it actually worse at c6

[ionic verge]

Well

[hot fiber]

no, it just doesn't benefit a few specific characters.

[ionic verge]

His burst infuse melle weapon with pyro

Sword, polearm, claymore

[fiery gyro]

And he gives a pyro dmg bonus iirc

[wanton flame]

but isn't it extra? isn't it exactly what he did before + that?

[ionic verge]

However, some character burst infuse can't be overidden, like xiao

But some can't, like ayaka

[hot fiber]

yes.

[ionic verge]

Eventho ayaka infuse her sword with cryo with her dash

Bennet still will infuse pyro on her sword

[wanton flame]

so, it is still as good, but better for some characters?

[ionic verge]

Yeap, is good for character who want pyro bonus

[fiery gyro]

It's still good, it just benefits pyro characters better

[wanton flame]

then why is it worse???

[grave wadi]

basically it makes it so some teams cant use bennett really

it will infuse pyro if you want physical etc

[hot fiber]

Egg is misstating the issue. It changes characters who actually focus on physical damage to pyro.

[ionic verge]

Less utility but better damage for pyro

[wanton flame]

oh, well that explains it then xd

[ionic verge]

I know lol, I get confused there

[fiery gyro]

Bc if u use a physical dps like eula he will infuse eula's attacks with pyro, meaning eula wont be getting the physical dmg bonuses and stuff she has

[ionic verge]

Oh yeah physical

Razor too

Aswell keqing

[wanton flame]

the pyro damage should be extra, not replace the physical damage

[fluid atlas]

Pyro keqing ♥️

[ionic verge]

U need super conduct for physical

[grave wadi]

you should just be able to turn off the const imo

[fiery gyro]

Toggleable cons when 🥺

[ionic verge]

Yeah same

[rugged thunder]

You need to make better life decisions

[ionic verge]

It make everyone happy ngl

[wanton flame]

that's the problem xd

[ionic verge]

Toggleable cons

[grave wadi]

would be great for content people and stuff too, make guides for non whales lol

[hot fiber]

or just calculate the pyro damage after multipliers are added to physical.

[ionic verge]

U can have c6 or c5

Anytime

But yeah, is ur choice if u want to c6 ur bennet

[icy kraken]

@ionic verge has leveled up to LEVEL 8

[ionic verge]

Extra pyro and infuse pyro

[hot fiber]

there are numerous ways they could fix the issue, but honestly, it's not really an issue, it's just a part of the character some folk don't like. shrug

[ionic verge]

True true

[fiery gyro]

They should make cons toggleable however to balance it out if u want to turn off like c2 for example for someone and you had them c6, you'd have to turn off c2-c6

[ionic verge]

Isn't c2 just add skill 3+

Oh wait I think that's c3

[hot fiber]

Honestly toggleable cons only makes sense for testers, with the odd exception like Bennett C6.

[fiery gyro]

Idk i was just using it as an example lol

[ionic verge]

Yeye

Oh btw, bennet would like u to use 5 stars weapon

[hot fiber]

if cons are supposed to be generally beneficial, why would you ever want to turn them off?

[opaque nacelle]

and zhongli with hutao

because bennett

[grave wadi]

to challenge yourself

[opaque nacelle]

or if you want to showcase a C0 build

[ionic verge]

Yeah, hu tao would like pyro bonus from c6 bennet

[hot fiber]

yeah but that just implies that they should fix bennett, not that you should be able to turn it off.

[ionic verge]

The only character we got fixed is Zhongli himself

[hot fiber]

even better, they could just roll both calculations, and apply whichever is greater.

[ionic verge]

And that was because majority complaining

[opaque nacelle]

tbh, having a pyro infuser is great, but it shouldn't be bennett's C6 if we can't toggle it

[hot fiber]

smart cons.

[rugged thunder]

Watch them introduce a 5* Bennett to resolve all this whining

[ionic verge]

Majority people don't even have c6 or c5 Bennett, so I don't think they will fix bennet

[warped rune]

pyro archon

[fiery gyro]

I joined genshin after they fixed zhongli and i kinda wanna know why was he bad before they fixed him

[ionic verge]

Oh

Damn

[hot fiber]

they won't fix bennett because they're lazy, not because people don't have him. 😛

[ionic verge]

I join 2.2 second phase, I didn't even know he was weak back then

[torpid river]

No not this ;-;

[ionic verge]

Nah, they just busy making other game

Like tower of fantasy

[wanton flame]

what that? is it bad?

[warped rune]

a sweet smile is still my favourite song to this day

[rugged thunder]

Ost

[wanton flame]

oh

[hot fiber]

this is what we call 'poor resource management' in the business.

[ionic verge]

Indeed

I kinda worried tbh

[grave wadi]

more like, they will make billions either way lol

[hot fiber]

though Tower of Fantasy is not from Mihoyo.

[ionic verge]

I know they won't abandoned genshin, just afraid it can't make better content for next version

[rugged thunder]

There are different production teams for diff HYV games too

[ionic verge]

Hmmm, I suppose so

[hot fiber]

it's from the other greedy ass scum sucking corporate shills PWI.

[ionic verge]

Dang

[orchid fern]

should i pull on yoimiyas just to get C6 Yun Jin

[hot fiber]

sure

[orchid fern]

ayato would really appreciate it and i already have c1 so why not

[hot fiber]

just don't get angry if you get Yoi.

[orchid fern]

probably won't, yoimiya's pretty cool

[hot fiber]

I love her, just reminding not to whine about losing your pity XD

[orchid fern]

and plus i'm not really going after the characters in the next patch. i already have zhongli, don't need kokomi or ganyu since I have ayaka and bennett is still a great healer
and tighnari will be added to standard soon

[orchid fern]

i'm sure it'll be fiiiiiine

[plucky drum]

hi

[orchid fern]

hello

[plucky drum]

how are ya?

[orchid fern]

decent

[hot fiber]

I mean it'll be fine regardless, just plenty of people seem to think they won't 'win' when it isn't convenient for them to do so XD.

[plucky drum]

It's worth to give it a shot, but just the thought of failing is depressing

[wanton flame]

me soon

[plucky drum]

Jean pretty good

[icy kraken]

@plucky drum has leveled up to LEVEL 20

[rugged thunder]

New Jeans

[hot fiber]

I'd take Jean nod

[orchid fern]

it's really no big deal if i win or lose, since my standard pity should be pretty high (that means i have a possibility to get tighnari when he's added to standard in 3.1)

nevermind my pity is literally the exact same as the character banner

[wanton flame]

not the worst to los 50\50 I'll admit, bui want zhongli

[plucky drum]

Tighnari will be added to standart? meaning if i lose 50 50 i can get him?

[orchid fern]

yeh

[plucky drum]

Good luck! May you get early pity!

[orchid fern]

*yeah

[plucky drum]

that's cool!

[orchid fern]

3.1, he'll be added to standard

[plucky drum]

but is he good?

[orchid fern]

i think he's good, but that's just a personal opinion

i'm not in the beta testing so i can't really tell you if he's good or not

[hot fiber]

his kit looks solid and he's got a charged burst similar to Ganyu so good chance he'll be alright.

[warm plume]

he looks alright he’s just boring imo

[plucky drum]

Ho

[orchid fern]

his e makes his charged shot come out faster

if i remember correctly

[warm plume]

yeah

boring

lmao

[wanton flame]

also Zhongli's burst looks awesome, would get him for that alone xd

[warm plume]

do it

i also got him for that

[hot fiber]

still no Laharl.

[plucky drum]

fr? u want dps Zhongli?

[orchid fern]

also he's literally the best shielder in the game but cough cough aesthetics > meta imo

[warm plume]

i prefer healers over shields

[dreamy crater]

Tighnari isn't ganyu
Is all I can say

[plucky drum]

how do I say this? Nuke Zhongli?

[wanton flame]

S H I E L D

[hot fiber]

I'd be upset if he was ganyu. 😛

[warm plume]

i said that before

he’s definitely not dendro ganyu

[plucky drum]

Zhongli c6 can shield and heal! two in one.

[warm plume]

genshin players read challenge

look ive spent but i wouldn’t

[orchid fern]

impossible, i skip through 90% of the dialogue

[dreamy crater]

For the low low price of 6 extra 5 stars

[warm plume]

[plucky drum]

what a steal!

[hot fiber]

technically Yoimiya also has charged burst like Ganyu, but is definitely not Ganyu. 😛

[wanton flame]

i do when doing missions, not so much when i' m exploring xd

[plucky drum]

i skip the story of genshin and i don't like to explore, but I do like seeing my hu tao nuke c:

[warm plume]

read when it’s necessary

like

character kits

[rugged thunder]

She's got auto target tho

[plucky drum]

imagine reading 😂

[warm plume]

imagine playing genshin

[grave wadi]

i cant read

[warm plume]

loser

[orchid fern]

imagine

[plucky drum]

freemogems C:

[plucky drum]

relaaax

[dreamy crater]

Tighnari is single target ganyu

[rugged thunder]

Freemogems tomorrow

[dreamy crater]

And only single target

[warm plume]

tighnari is tighnari shut up

[dreamy crater]

Fair

[fresh egret]

holy shit

finally

[plucky drum]

she slurp the hydro shield out of the abyss mage

wait, its a he

[warm plume]

now kill them

[plucky drum]

trap

[fresh egret]

i wouldn't roll for a perm char personally

save for kusanali

[plucky drum]

no 😠

[warm plume]

keqing banner

[fresh egret]

[warm plume]

😩

[plucky drum]

imagine losing 50 50 to Keqing

[warm plume]

i don’t have her

[dreamy crater]

A perm character sounds like something different

[orchid fern]

let's be honest though, i'll probably get c6 yun jin by the time sumeru ENDS.

[grave wadi]

[warm plume]

[plucky drum]

I'd say, they should add all the old 5 star characters to the standart character, and they won't show in a limited banners anymore and then create even more 5 stars C:

[warm plume]

somehow i haven’t gotten c6 bennet yet

ive gotten more than enough of yunjin

and only like 1 xinyan

[orchid fern]

yeah but then that just swamps the standard banner with too many 5 stars

[fresh egret]

i don't think they can arbitarily move limiteds to the perm banner

[orchid fern]

and then you'll have an even lower chance to get the 5 stars from there

[warped rune]

||rumors say tighnari will become standard||

[fresh egret]

tighnari they specifically said he would be perm

[warped rune]

which is fair imo

[warm plume]

it’s official

babe

[grave wadi]

not rumors lol

[plucky drum]

Klee gaming, hello! how are you doing?

[warped rune]

hi drip, genshin hiatus rn

only doing abyss for the forseeable future

[plucky drum]

you too? i am missing so many freemogems

[warped rune]

your mental health is more important

[hot fiber]

I would prefer that they add some of the older 5* than throwing some new 5* on the basic banner. Mihoyo however seems to delight in ignoring every reasonable idea and doing their own shit.

[warped rune]

albedo?

[grave wadi]

$$$

[warped rune]

Childe maybe?

should be at least 1 of every element, imo

[hot fiber]

Klee, Venti, Albedo, Zhongli, Tartangles, any of these could be added no issue.

[fresh egret]

it's because they sold the limiteds as limited

[plucky drum]

We need another hydro unit c:

[fresh egret]

dont' think they can just switch them to perm

[grave wadi]

i doubt theyd do archons on standard /shrug

[warped rune]

albedo and childe have seen reruns and while good, not gamebreaking

[warped rune]

tighnari will though

[orchid fern]

playing genshin on a friends acc is starting to become boring. they don't want me doing story for them so i literally can't do shit other than quests and exploring but it's boring as hell and it's not like any of my friends would reasonably stick around to watch me do that. plus yoimiya (the character they really want) is going away in 8 days and we still have 20 more pulls to go before we get her guaranteed yoimiya

[fresh egret]

tighnari was specifically sold as perm

it's in the stream

[plucky drum]

I've skipped Albedo and gotten Eula back then, she is very useful for talents materials grind

[fresh egret]

there's no such disclaimer on the normal limiteds

[warped rune]

well, it's just a suggestion after all, same case as the anniversary rewards

[plucky drum]

man you do their dailies? woah

[warped rune]

but we don't talk about that

[orchid fern]

yes.

[warped rune]

people were suggesting a free standard 5* long long ago, which wouldn't be game breaking at all

[orchid fern]

fun fact i started yoimiyas banner on their acc with no pulls and guaranteed because they pulled keqing on kazuhas banner

[hot fiber]

there's nothing saying that they have to keep limited banners limited forever, either.

[warm plume]

i forget to do comms on my own acc

[orchid fern]

or well more like I pulled Keqing on their acc with their permission

[plucky drum]

what other concept of banners would you want to see in genshin other than limiteds?

[fresh egret]

the limited/non limited thing might have legal repercussions

i can see why they avoid it

[warped rune]

Well, there a few game flaws that should be adressed, but the standard pool, while important, not as much as the others

[fresh egret]

it's not only genshin that doesn't do this

[warm plume]

personally if someone can’t be bothered to do their comms just delete the game at that point

[rugged thunder]

More like you don't want them to!

[plucky drum]

I have once gotten Fischl from standard* banner!

[fresh egret]

i don't particularly care

i have 2 of the perms at c6

1 at c3

1 at c4

[rugged thunder]

[grave wadi]

[fresh egret]

at the rate i'm going i'll get 25 starglitter

[orchid fern]

they aren't asking me to do this btw. i'm just bored out of my mind and i wanna do something nice, but then again i have to follow their guidelines

[fresh egret]

every time i fail

[warped rune]

well, if they update, and make you agree with the terms of service, no one would be able to complain

legaly speaking

[fresh egret]

not really

[warped rune]

because no one reads the terms and conditions

[plucky drum]

[fresh egret]

the courts actually rule on what's reasonable

they've been known to throw out arguments on signed ndas/etc because restrictions were not reasonable

something like that

but yes they shoudl upgrade the perm banner with new 5*s

it's getting old getting 25 starglitter

[warped rune]

albedo, tart, klee

[orchid fern]

context: the friend is actually my ex but friend is the better term since i still talk to em and we hang out regularly

[warm plume]

interesting

[fresh egret]

i doubt childe will be put in

[fiery gyro]

Technically they could add a limited 5* to the standard banner, but they would have to change a few things

[fresh egret]

they'll want to sell him along other harbingers

[warm plume]

skip

[orchid fern]

i want childe on my main so badly oh my god

[warped rune]

albedo and mini albedo, aka, klee then

[hot fiber]

they should also give a fucking reasonable compensation for greater than C6 5* pulls. 25 starglitter isn't even salt for the goddamn wound, it's just pissing in it.

[warped rune]

though, isn't klee older than albedo?

[orchid fern]

albedo seems to be the new seasonal 5 star along with klee/kazuha

albedo comes every december, kazuha and klee came during summer last year too iirc

[fresh egret]

[orchid fern]

there is a compromise though, i asked them to work on clearing out the story when they're free

[granite harness]

Moaning

[hot fiber]

Klee was the second limited banner.

Venti was first.

[orchid fern]

what's the problem, mona's pretty good (even though being pretty niche in teamcomps)

[hot fiber]

C7+

[orchid fern]

OH...

hey more starglitter for 4 star cons ig

[hot fiber]

not nearly enough to compensate for losing a 5*

[orchid fern]

yeah

you're right

[hot fiber]

literally not even enough to straight up buy a 4*, which is a fucking joke.

get screwed on a 5* and don't even get a 4* in return.

[orchid fern]

6 pulls isn't great as compensation either

[hot fiber]

5 pulls.

half a guaranteed 4*

[orchid fern]

the xiangling

[hot fiber]

I'm only counting the reward for the 5*

[orchid fern]

that's still not good though you're right

[fresh egret]

i'd like something like a uso

in fgo

tbh

[hot fiber]

'reward'

fucking joke.

[fresh egret]

something that guarantees the banner 5* if i got 10 of them or smth

at least that wouldn't suck so much

we'll be getting new prototypes with sumeru right

lowkey don't really feel like doing bosses

[hot fiber]

I'd rather they just remove the character from the rolls. maybe have some exclusive item if you ever get to where there's no 5* left on the banners

[granite harness]

I have C1 XL

And C2 xinqiu

https://tenor.com/view/omg-cat-no-cry-gif-22962113

AR57 btw

[hot fiber]

or just exchange for a 5* weapon, at least those you can theoretically use multiple of.

[orchid fern]

C0 Xiangling, C3 Xingqiu. AR 55

[orchid fern]

yeah because even if you get a R5 of an Aquilla Favonia, you can just get another R1 for your Bennett or Kaeya or something

[hot fiber]

yeah

[ionic verge]

U need qiqi or diluc for cooking this food

[wanton flame]

i'll just go back to the grind

[granite harness]

Give me your XQ and take mine

[orchid fern]

n

no

i need c6 man

[fresh egret]

low key

0 enthusiasm for sumeru

ngl

[wanton flame]

not even free character? those are always good

[granite harness]

Hopefully they are on zhongli Or kokomi banners

[fresh egret]

not that enthusiastic about the whole region in general

[granite harness]

That's ohk

But then it is gonna be amazing probably

[ionic verge]

Collei is cute

I'm so glad she's free

Need c1 hu tao and homa 😭

[granite harness]

Enkanomiya, chasm, and tsurumi island were released when I joined the game

And all 3 of them were soo good

expect for rfithounds

i hate those mfers

[ionic verge]

Ah yes, the dog

[covert pawn]

Guys i woke and i though it’s spiral reset today haha

[granite harness]

Sed

It's tomorrow

[ionic verge]

Almost

The last reset before 3.0

[covert pawn]

Eazy 600 againz tomorrow

[granite harness]

Same line up??

[ionic verge]

They will put all new enemies from sumeru in 3.0 abyss

[covert pawn]

Yes

[granite harness]

Yesss

[ionic verge]

Including the new treasure horder type

[granite harness]

Bruh why can't that bird just go away

I hate that thunder bird

My childe international doesn't work on that

https://tenor.com/view/cry-cat-crying-cat-crying-cat-crying-gif-26105855

[covert pawn]

Just use cryo and pyro

Or use yanfei

[wanton flame]

i hate thunder chicken

[granite harness]

Lvl 20

[covert pawn]

Here’s my Floor 11 line up

[granite harness]

This is mine

Probably will replace diona with zhongli idk

But then cyro and break sheilds

Hehe

[granite harness]

Aeeee

Nice

[burnt hearth]

Happy independence day 🇮🇳

[granite harness]

Same to you bhayy

[burnt hearth]

Kya plan h aaj!

?

[granite harness]

Kuch nai

[burnt hearth]

https://media.tenor.com/d2X7R2oF2UYAAAAM/glorij-salute.gif

[granite harness]

Here bhay

Chai

[burnt hearth]

Chai op

Av peeya mai

[unborn trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760771365958582342/1008632967675002900/unknown.png

[short smelt]

heyo, can someone help me importing the wishing history from a ps4 to the website? :)

[rugged thunder]

What floors?

Or what domains?

[unborn trellis]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[desert root]

only doable if u link to a device / hyv account

cant do directly from ps4

[short smelt]

so i have to install genshin on my phone and following the steps for Android?

[desert root]

yea

[short smelt]

thx

[desert root]

np

[carmine turret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1003061976508932178/1008643410183327794/unknown.png?width=1038&height=584

🙏

[thorn chasm]

haha

wish that was true tho

[wanton flame]

what did i came back to?

[round verge]

Does xiao ult always guarantee high jump dmg

[desert root]

yea

[round verge]

Alr

So maxing his na is most important ?

[warped rune]

ABYSS RESET TOMORROW :DD

[round verge]

Guys

[rugged thunder]

Yes
Na>burst>skill

Unless you have a C6 xiao, then it's
Skill>>

[round verge]

Alr sir

[warped rune]

ye

i alr crowned his na

[carmine turret]

Talking of xiao, why is it that sometimes when he plunge, I see 2 numbers

some times I see one number

[warped rune]

i remember this dumb event 😭

i didnt have my characters levelled up that much

[desert root]

show screenshot or footage

[carmine turret]

something like thsi

https://www.reddit.com/r/XiaoMains/comments/l64wug/its_quite_hard_to_get_double_plunge_dmg_with/

[rugged thunder]

Plunging directly on an enemy's head will deal two instances of damage

[carmine turret]

mhmhm

[desert root]

its probably as sifu said

one instance of direct hit and one instance of plunge dmg

[dreamy crater]

No, there's still a low plunge and a high plunge

Unlike kazuha after e, always high plunge

[tidal beacon]

Don’t be shy addd me american people

[burnt hearth]

I do play on America server but i ain't American

[gentle mantle]

anyone in asia?

lol neep help

we can play together

[warped rune]

?

i can help

20 minutes late doe

[gentle mantle]

no problem

[warped rune]

uid? and what do u need help with?

[gentle mantle]

bosses

[warped rune]

ok

whats ur uid?

[plucky drum]

yo

[mild remnant]

oh wow 😯

@warped rune nice Smiths reference in the bio

[warped rune]

im surprised ur looking at my bio

[unborn trellis]

https://twitter.com/bucumberr/status/1558994478270226434?s=20&t=gAJ1AHcl8COzGInvyybUiA

am’s normal wife (@bucumberr)

gg

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[mild remnant]

i was enlarging the pfp- saw the bio :p

[outer cove]

[burnt hearth]

Dup

[plucky drum]

hru bro

[burnt hearth]

Not gud

[sturdy ocean]

C0 Yanfei Mono Pyro & C0 Eula Raiden Shatter
Spiral Abyss 2.8 Floor 12 9 Stars
https://youtu.be/tVbsF4ZKNCg

[burnt hearth]

[sturdy ocean]

C0 yanfei from almost 1.5 years

[burnt hearth]

Yanfei poggers

[sturdy ocean]

Hi sir heinous

[burnt hearth]

Hru shinn

[plucky drum]

sadge

[burnt hearth]

Hbu drip

[plucky drum]

good and hydrated c:

[burnt hearth]

Glad to hear

[subtle shell]

bennett's luck ig 🥲

[warped rune]

Can someone carry me in Fires of Purification V domain Asia server

[warm plume]

[onyx sun]

I think I solved a puzzle some time ago and didn't collect the chest

help?

[ionic verge]

Idk where to post my sketch drawing, I assume is here

Is bit nsfw I guess

[wanton flame]

wait no

you saw nothing

[fresh plover]

thats cool bro but do you have this

[warped cedar]

might be a "log out log back in" problem, but I think you need to use the electrograna that's on the ship with electro seelie in its branches

[onyx sun]

the seelie is inside of this room too

[warped cedar]

some (hopefully constructive) criticism ||your cameltoe maybe needs some real life modeling, it seems like the underwear looks a little pasted on||

[warped cedar]

might be time for a walkthrough then, i don't remember exactly how it goes. maybe use the phase gate up above? or is there another seelie inside the electro barrier higher up?

[warped rune]

nice noelle

[onyx sun]

actually the conduction puzzle just wasnt there lol

reloging fixed it thx

[warped cedar]

it's so weird that so many puzzles get scuffed and that's the fix

NPC randomly went missing? just turn it off and back on again

https://tenor.com/view/it-crowd-chris-o-dowd-roy-have-you-tried-turning-it-off-and-on-again-off-gif-4711577

[onyx sun]

solving it doesnt do anything

oh the door opened

[ionic verge]

Thank

[ionic verge]

It's intentional, no worries

[granite harness]

yoo

[hybrid pier]

yo

[granite harness]

hi clum kun

you pulling in 3.0?

[hybrid pier]

for ganyu ya

everyone else is a skip

i need another dps

[granite harness]

hmm

i am going for zhongli for collection purposes and kokomi coz maybe good bloom ?

copium

[wanton flame]

i'll go for Zhongli, need a way for my team for second half to actually survive xd

[granite harness]

man i hope venti isnt in 3.1

i really do

[wanton flame]

why tho :I ?

[granite harness]

because, then kusanali will be immposible to get in 3.2

if she is in 3.2

[wanton flame]

xd, so basically you want him but not too close to kusanali

[granite harness]

venti is also needed for collection purpose

and so the harbingers (but not twerp scara)

[wanton flame]

i'm a completionist, and man being a comletionist in a gacha game is pain xd

[icy kraken]

@wanton flame has leveled up to LEVEL 5

[wanton flame]

specially because of aloy

[granite harness]

lol

i just want archons and harbingers are primary concern

[quiet fossil]

what are the last archon quests

i see none

on my id rn atleast

[warm holly]

last archon quests are “Requiem of the Echoing depth” and “Perilous Trail”

[fiery gyro]

^

[granite harness]

yoo

[rugged thunder]

oYo

[granite harness]

reminder: kokomi is better than childe

[rugged thunder]

She is

[granite harness]

indeed

[wanton flame]

how is Fishl so easy to build? i have been building Heizou since i got him like at the start of last banner, and he's lvl 70, i got Fishl like a week ago and she's already almost lvl80

[rugged thunder]

Priorities

[hybrid pier]

omfg

mine isnt a g

OH

NVM

[jaunty copper]

mondstat > liyue > inazuma > etc. for difficulty of material collection

[rugged thunder]

Violet grass>>

[wanton flame]

why does heizou needs material from ruin serpent tho? what's the sense of that?

[silent depot]

same reason why childe uses mondstadt talent books but liyue local specialty

[ionic verge]

Ez

[hot fiber]

they've all been easy.

[wanton flame]

60 free primos a day is amazing

[hot fiber]

is it really though?

like getting a penny from Uncle Scrooge, sure it doesn't happen often so it's remarkable, but it's still just a fucking penny. 😛

[wanton flame]

bad analogy, the mere fact the penny was from Uncle Scrooge would make it's collection value go to the moon

[jaunty copper]

Am I the only one that thinks that HYV gives out enough freemos?

[warped cedar]

probably

lol

[lament galleon]

i agree they do

enough to get what u need from f2p

[warped cedar]

like 3.0 will be the most freemos per patch, and it's like not quite enough to get to pity 1 time, where you would win/lose a 50/50

[lament galleon]

well yea usually u need to save for two patches to get a 5 star
i think thats fair

[jaunty copper]

Well, that's what people say "I can't even get a guaranteed xyz" or what have you

[warped cedar]

right so you would need >2 patches of 3.0 lvl of primos to get to 1 guaranteed 5*

[jaunty copper]

but as an f2p, I think I've gotten guaranteed 5-stars every 3/4 banner rotations, with some cool low-pity chars in the mix

much faster and I wouldn't really have the resources to build them anyway

[lament galleon]

as f2p u just need to be really picky with what u want

[jaunty copper]

right

[lament galleon]

the actual reason why i say its enough primos is bcos theres enough rolls for f2p to get enough starglitter to buy a specific shop character on shop rotation
bcos u can nab bennet and xingqiu from shop, and then ur f2p team roster already looks like a p2w player's

[jaunty copper]

I mean, what am I supposed to be complaining about? "HYV should give me a 5* for every banner" or "I deserve guaranteed every other banner"

(which are the same, if you think about it)

[warped cedar]

seems like it'

s partly the uncertainty, since banner past the next patch usually are somewhat sussy leaks

[lament galleon]

i mean u cant expect them to not make money lol
i think theyr plenty generous

[warped cedar]

so your budget horizon is longer than your ability to know what you're budgeting for

[lament galleon]

yea so its important to know what u want

for me, my next want is a consistent off field dendro applier
so im not gonna care until one of those comes around

[warped cedar]

i mean, maybe they're heading to that point, where like you'll always know what time of year a character will rerun

new year: zhongli/ganyu/xiao, summer: kazuha, winter: eula/albedo, etc

in which case budgeting is easier to reason about

[lament galleon]

i think good character reruns are about a year

[wanton flame]

real talk, is using condensed resin better than using original resin for artifact farming?

[lament galleon]

it saves more time yea

but other than that theres no difference

if u want to spend more time in the domain up to u

[wanton flame]

thx

[jaunty copper]

is there official data/documentation on whether or not condensed gives you exactly double?

(curious)

[ionic verge]

Nice

Mmm yes 666 primogems

[lament galleon]

looks like ur lacking som esf pieces

gotta liv in it for a few months

[warped cedar]

there's RNG, so it's exactly the same chances, but the actual output varies

i like it because it decreases the likelihood that the domain run will feel like a complete waste of my time

[lament galleon]

u mean it halves the number of times that the domain run feels like a waste of time

(bcos it halves the number of times u run the domain)

[warped cedar]

yeah

[lament galleon]

[warped cedar]

like i can still get a full maidens run of the VV domain, it just happens less often

[lament galleon]

it just happens twice as fast

[warped cedar]

allows me to spend more of my time not playing genshin

[hot fiber]

only if you could prove it.

[hot fiber]

I do not.

[lament galleon]

we usually get 1 new 5 star per patch tho?

hows it not fair lol

[warped cedar]

you need to save for 3 patches, fwiw

unless you pull early

and that's to pull any 5*

so worst case you're saving for 6 patches to get 1 guaranteed 5 star

[lament galleon]

surely u get 80 pulls in 2 patches

[warped cedar]

did i just multiply twice? maybe i did

[ionic verge]

Ah yes, the most worst run I ever had on crimson domain

Literally happen at same day in few minutes between

[warped cedar]

but no, 3.0 you'd get to 70, and it's the most primos of any patch to date

[ionic verge]

Atleast the goblet have cryo bonus and crit dmg

[lament galleon]

80 is soft pity, so if u can get 80 in two patches thats a very good chance at 5 star

[hot fiber]

because even if you 'get' one it's not guaranteed to be the one you want, also weapons, we don't get 1 5* we usually get 2 or more.

[lament galleon]

why is it only fair if ur guaranteed?

i think its fair for the 50/50

u win som u lose som

i mean, yea its predatory

but i think theyr generous enough for the model

[hot fiber]

you are welcome to your opinion, I disagree simply because of how shitty the rolls are already.

[lament galleon]

i defintly agree that for newer players its pretty hard to get into now

[hot fiber]

considering they're one of the -least- generous models I've ever encountered, I am not inclined to approve of them.

I like the game, I hate the company.

[lament galleon]

really? mihoyo is one of the best companies from what iv playd lol

who the heck gives real money currency for fixing bugs

nobody

[ionic verge]

Atleast kazuha er with iron sting is nearly fixed

[hot fiber]

try Epic 7.

[lament galleon]

im also always impressed at the amount of effort genshin puts into everything regardless of whether its free or not

obv the open world is free, and its definitly one of the most well made worlds in gaming

[hot fiber]

Genshin is a great game, that doesn't mean I have to approve of the business side of it.

[fluid atlas]

yeah

Genshin as a game is good

I love their graphics and lore

But they are miser and greedy

[lament galleon]

i agree the gacha model is bad
but i dont mind it bcos its not even neccesary to do well in the game

theres really not many other games with that

[fluid atlas]

I think it is absolutely stupid that I need to save (with welkins) for 2 versions to get a 5 star that I want

It's not necessary but when your main selling point/genre is shitty
I think that there is something wrong

Genshin at core is Gacha rpg

[hot fiber]

I mind it because it sets a bad precedent. I really don't want other companies thinking they can get away with what they're doing.

[fluid atlas]

So I'd expect the Gacha to be good

[warped cedar]

i do appreciate that the must-pull characters are mostly 4 star

[lament galleon]

thats the point tho, its want thats hard to get, while need is much easier
the precedent prior to this is that there is no difference between the two and both are hard to get

[warped cedar]

cough blizzard coughcough diablo immortal

[hot fiber]

it may be a point, but it's not a difficult point to ignore.

[fluid atlas]

Arguably, the needs in the form of artefacts is also hard to get because of their beautiful rng

[ionic verge]

Would u guys prefer to have unlimited resin for 2 months or 10k primogems (u can't convert the primo to resin)

[lament galleon]

resin ofc lol

resin is the ultimate currency in the end

[hot fiber]

particularly for any new company looking to start their own new game.

[ionic verge]

True, once u pull u need resin

[lament galleon]

way too many mmo games pretty much just get to the point where its an infeasible grind to get anywhere unless u pay

but genshin isnt like that

(well genshin isnt really an mmo either, but imo it plays like one)

[fluid atlas]

I mean if you wanna compare to "Oh this is less shitty than others"
Why don't we go
"Oh it is so much shitter than others" too

[warped cedar]

my partner is convincing me to play FFXIV, and no, it's nothing like genshin

FFXIV is unlimited hours of extremely mid entertainment for a set monthly fee. genshin actively tries to make it feel bad if you don't spend more

[lament galleon]

i think the feeling bad part is a personal problem lol
thats u falling prey to the system, u gotta not fall into the hole

[warped cedar]

and for comparison, AAA games are like "spend a large amount of money upfront for something you may ragequit in 3 hours"

[warped cedar]

it's not tho, it's actually genshin/gacha's stated purpose

[hot fiber]

there are definitely worse games/companies out there than Genshin/Mihoyo, this does not excuse them though XD

[warped cedar]

being prey for greedy bastards is their failing, not yours/mine

[muted spade]

as somebody who has 4 accts for genshin 3/4 being f2p, the game is a lot friendlier towards f2p than you think

[fluid atlas]

It's not the "Oh it's your issue" things
It's more so the fact that you grind and pay and save for 3 months
Only to go full pity twice and obviously lose the 50-50

[lament galleon]

i mean yea and theres always gonna be better companies that doesnt change that mihoyo is one of the better ones

[muted spade]

you gotta just plan better for who u roll for

[fluid atlas]

It just feels painful because of the time you spent waiting and gathering

[lament galleon]

the game is extremely f2p friendly

[warped cedar]

I think if i knew everything i know now at the start of the game, i could've made it much more f2p friendly

[fluid atlas]

I won't deny that it isn't f2p friendly

[lament galleon]

iirc for a while there was people running new account speedruns

[icy kraken]

@lament galleon has leveled up to LEVEL 10

[lament galleon]

record for new account to abyss12 complete was like 2 weeks or somthing

that was during a very good abyss blessing tho

[muted spade]

If you want every character, you gotta spend $ but if you only want a select few, roll for who you like and for the love of god skip who u dont want

[hot fiber]

it is f2p friendly, and I recognize that, it's one of the main reasons I don't boycott completely. That and I love the game itself. I just think they could stand to be quite a bit more generous without losing anything.

[muted spade]

meta really only matters in abyss

oh i agree

[lament galleon]

well the meta is 4 star shop characters so thats not an issue

[muted spade]

the fact that u could end up spending $400 for a single limited character (not even a con) and $500 for a SINGLE weapon is ridiculous

[hot fiber]

the irony is, they would get a whole lot more of my money, if they were less goddamn stingy when I spend it.

[lament galleon]

i dont think ur in any position to claim that

[hot fiber]

who?

[lament galleon]

hav u earnd more money using a different model?

i havnt

so who am i to judge how much money they earn

[hot fiber]

what?

[lament galleon]

obv what theyr doing is working

[fluid atlas]

It's not earning money

[muted spade]

huh????

[fluid atlas]

It's the worth

[muted spade]

its the worth

[fluid atlas]

Worth for what you're paying

[hot fiber]

Warframe.

[lament galleon]

this, i mean

[fluid atlas]

Yes

We're all talking about that

[muted spade]

to get a single copy of a limited character and weapon it could cost you almost $1k

[hot fiber]

my statement is 100% accurate

[fluid atlas]

It's the worth

[muted spade]

one thousand dollars

[hot fiber]

They would have gotten more of my money, if I got more out of it, because that's how I'm wired.

[lament galleon]

warframe in total didnt even earn what genshin earnd in a couple years

so obv genshin is doing it better

[fluid atlas]

Or Genshin is looting more

Either of the statements could be true

No?

[warped cedar]

i mean also it could be marketing

[muted spade]

im lucky enough to jave never needed to do that but jfc i have friends who spend 1.3k just to get the character an extra con and their weapon

[fluid atlas]

If me and Luka both sell tees
She sells for a dollar, I sell for 10

You can't say I did better just because I earned 10 times hers

[muted spade]

mhm

[warped cedar]

or just the general appeal of warframe's type of game

[muted spade]

i have to sell ten times as much as kiri to profit and stay at the same level

[fluid atlas]

Yep

[warped cedar]

genshin makes a lot of money, and continues to do so, precisely because of its post-BOTW timing, and the delays of BOTW 2

[hot fiber]

this is a non-sequitur, they are not comparable games, they are simply games that have free to play models that earn money that way.

[fluid atlas]

And I earn more just because I price shit more

[muted spade]

if i sell ten times, and if kiri sold something TWICE theyd already be ahead

[fluid atlas]

^

And when it comes to worth, however

Luka's is more worth

[muted spade]

mhm bc u get more copies with less money

[lament galleon]

right but they made the comparison, i just said another reason why they shouldnt compare

[fluid atlas]

Because she is selling the same thing as me, at 1/10th the rate

[lament galleon]

well ur never gonna sell 10 times bcos it maxes out at c6 lol

[hot fiber]

you said 'show me a game where I paid more because I got more out of it'

[lament galleon]

unless ur barbara

in which case uv sold 22 times to me

(i have c21 barbara)

[fluid atlas]

Mhmm 👁👄👁

Very nice of hyv

Very worth the primos

[hot fiber]

I have easily spent more on Warframe than Genshin, and never once regretted doing so.

[lament galleon]

anyway im saying i agree its predatory, i agree its bad, but i think mihoyo in current position does not need to be more generous

[fluid atlas]

They very much do

Alright I agree

They do not need to be more generous

[hot fiber]

yeah they really do, they just don't understand why they do.

[fluid atlas]

They need to START being generous in the first place

[lament galleon]

and im sure theyv got large teams of smart people going thru millions of datapoints figuring out why they dont

[warped cedar]

sure, their corporate stakeholders don't "need" to, but i refuse to acknowledge corporate behaviour as "fair"

[fluid atlas]

Making me work my ass off fighting annoying ass snakes for 50 primos is just horrid

[hot fiber]

who are probably being ignored by the money men because 'it's working now why change it'

[warped rune]

goodmorning/evening yalls

[muted spade]

hoyo bootlickers istg

[lament galleon]

well so far from what iv seen on the structure of hoyoverse and the CEO of the company they seem like decent people

they did some charity work during covid that didnt even get much press

[warped cedar]

money men are fundamentally incapable of valuing user joy/user experience as its own marketing value

[hot fiber]

lol

this is the truth

[lament galleon]

again, so far im not seeing that in genshin

when i see it ill agree

[hot fiber]

the question you gotta ask, and this is the reason why Genshin is so bad, is how much should a single digital product that individually costs the company nothing to give, actually cost to buy.

[fluid atlas]

^

[lament galleon]

i think genshin characters cost A LOT to give

if u cant see that ur jus tblind

[fluid atlas]

Characters?

[warped cedar]

collectively/in aggregate, not individually

[fluid atlas]

They mean Primos

I think

[lament galleon]

primos r the characters tho

[hot fiber]

Note, I said individually, I recognize that there is a cost to game production, that isn't relevant to the question.

[fluid atlas]

Arey they?

Are they reallllyyy the characters?

[lament galleon]

when u get primos what r u getting them for

[fluid atlas]

Because my Kazuha cost me wayyy more than some of y'all

[hot fiber]

I also explicitly didn't say 'characters' I said 'product'

[fluid atlas]

So does it directly translate to character

[hot fiber]

no, because they 'sell' other things than characters, weapons, packs, etc...

[lament galleon]

thats true, mine costed less than avg

[fluid atlas]

my 10000th copy of Harbinger of dawn

[fluid atlas]

Exactly why it is shit

[lament galleon]

ic, maybe im biased bcos my luck is better

[warped cedar]

no wonder you think they're fair

[fluid atlas]

It is easier to look at the company and system with your rose tinted glasses when you have it so green and Ws

[warped cedar]

go sit in a corner and think about your life choices

[hot fiber]

lol

[lament galleon]

i do that often enough

[fluid atlas]

And your privilege/blessing

[lament galleon]

i am less lucky on weapon tho

ruind my account with a donut

[warped cedar]

most of us don't even pull on the weapon banner, so

[fluid atlas]

I never have enough primos for the weapon banner because of how generous hornyverse is

👁👄👁

[lament galleon]

also mayb i just havnt played other generous games

[covert cradle]

At the end of the day all the people complaining, still keep playing this game, so hoyoverse must be doing something right

[lament galleon]

bcos the two other mmos iv playd have nowhere near as generous model as hoyoverse

ones long dead and the other is dying now

a huge shame bcos it was incredibly fun

its a mmo bullet hell game with permadeath

[hot fiber]

I mean, Everquest and UO were absolutely awful for RNG stuff.

[lament galleon]

and from AAA games that have gotten bad press about stuff like that, diablo eternal and star wars battlefront, genshin really looks pretty generous lol

[covert cradle]

Honestly I think you can have a great experience with genshin as an f2p if you have self control and are able to resist the hype and marketing of hoyoverse to pull for every character and just pick and select your favorites and save for them, if you're weak willed and have fomo then you're fucked

[lament galleon]

not to mention games that have p2w pvp

[hot fiber]

I barely have as much green on all three of my pull screens than he has on just the character...

[fluid atlas]

Painful

[hot fiber]

I mean those games should not have ever existed 😛

at least not in the form they were presented to us.

[lament galleon]

genshin is very non p2w, without even comparing to worse things

[timid vine]

my luck is grim 😮‍💨

[hot fiber]

Genshin is definitely not p2w, excepting in the sense that you can pay for more options.

[warped cedar]

if i could point to one reason that i'm still playing the game & spending after running out of story, that's it

[covert cradle]

What is even "winning" in genshin?

[warped cedar]

if it were p2w i would've noped out a long time ago

[hot fiber]

you can totally complete all the content just as well with nothing but free stuff. Which is perfectly as it should be.