Ship BP cost reduction

[swift totem]

UP points are more valuable since they unlock what the vast majority of people would want, which are (high rarity) planes (orange rarity for example).

An orange rarity plane is a full day, which is possible even if life is a bit busy. It also is easy to involve yourself in the gameplay if wanted. You can choose between long surveillance or an interception.

I'd say UP is therewith more valuable and/or enjoyable to get than BP.

BP is conversely earned by using ships which obviously is extremely boring, which would've been fine if the BP costs weren't doubled compared to UP vehicles.

An orange rarity ship bought with BP (example Iowa) requires 50. Thats running your device for many hours a day for a week exclusively on an Aeronautica ship. After that you will buy the Iowa which can't do anything functional but looks cool and won't be worth using outside a short cinematic.

Not sure if this is relevant but in that time you can get the endgame GE in shipping lanes in around the same time frame. There is the midway carrier too, which is probably 100+ hours (around a full week) grinding, but it's the only useless ship in that game and is atleast a working carrier.

Aeronautica has tons of orange rarity ships, so it's like having a bunch of GEs, but a good few are literally useless.

When you get the GE in SL, every ship becomes easy to get in a few hours whereas in Aeronautica a 50BP Olympic will be a money machine for money that you can't use simply because you haven't started spending 10s of real hours for other ships.

TLDR
BP isn't as valuable as UP, whilst also being too time consuming for possibly even Harry Dresden, if you want more than 1 orange BP ship; even 1 orange BP ship is a 9/5 job.

[polar geyser]

Um

[near fiber]

[fiery beacon]

I disagree because you can pretty much AFK on boats for the full 24 hours if you need to whereas with aircraft you have to still land and refuel unless you're grinding UP with a blimp or something

[naive bough]

[swift totem]

The point is that it just isnt possible for people with other stuff to do in a reasonable timeframe

[near fiber]

Unfortunately there isn't much they can really do

Unless they take short missions

And even so this idea...
Basically would ruin the economy

[swift totem]

Is the naval market that big?

I just think it should be the same price as up vehucles

The prices are already quite high in wp

[near fiber]

With high payouts yes it is

[swift totem]

I have/had the money just dont have the time for BP

[fiery beacon]

Just chip at it

If you take one 2 hour job every day and go do something else like cook or wash dishes or such it adds up quickly imo

[honest apex]

50 hours is still insane for people who play legit though

and now that long hauls are basically worthless all I do are short hauls

this is like 2 days worth of gameplay for 1 epic boat

even if not 25 like aircraft it should be lower like 37 or something for epic

and like you can AFK UP with blimps and certain high endurance aircraft so I don't see the point

[fiery beacon]

Ig that's fair

i highkey have a backlog of like 150 BP so i guess I'm a bit used to not worrying about BP

[granite moat]

You can set any large boat to run for days on end

not even the longest range aircraft can do that

[honest apex]

50 hours is still ridiculous for a single boat for casual players

[granite moat]

boat players dont exist

its just boat computers

[honest apex]

i exist!!!

[granite moat]

[honest apex]

i do short hauls all the time!!

[granite moat]

Most players long haul

[honest apex]

its kind of insane to expect 2+ days worth of gameplay for a single boat i want

[granite moat]

For the majority of players its not 2 days of gameplay but 2 days of letting your computer run and doing other things

in order to lower bp costs the length of jobs would prob also have to be reduced ngl

So that earning a combination of WP and BP becomes harder

For long haul vehicles

[honest apex]

what if BP was given differently for short hauls

the longer a haul is less BP you generate over time

[granite moat]

Hard to draw a line
Plus slower vehicles would still take benefit

[honest apex]

like decreasing exponentially with time

[granite moat]

also unintuitive

[swift totem]

Its 50 hours that are allocated to one game

[honest apex]

i still think there needs to be an alternative of sorts

[granite moat]

Its 50 hours that you let your computer run idly while you do other stuff in real life

[honest apex]

for 1 vehicle

[swift totem]

So since i cant grind for hours straight it would be i only play aeronautica for weeks

[granite moat]

If you dont feel like paying the BP cost, can always go trade for the boat, since their dealer prices are so exorbitant that most players let them go for dealer price

[honest apex]

at this point ill find the yamato before i get to 50 BP

[granite moat]

Can say the same for planes

[honest apex]

25 hours is much more reasonable though

for epics

[swift totem]

Difference is its only 25 hours for the highest rarity. Planes are also a major part of the game

[granite moat]

Planes are also much harder to grind time in

[honest apex]

ability to convert UP into BP?

[granite moat]

In order to reduce BP costs, first, the fundimental playstyle for boats would have to change to make each individual BP harder to earn

so that its balanced

[honest apex]

i feel like shorter hauls are already prioritized

what if BP started at 2 per hour and eventually fell down to standard 1 per hour after like 3 hours

[granite moat]

Not intuitive

[honest apex]

why? short hauls are similar to doing jetliners in terms of gameplay

or cargo

[granite moat]

doesnt change that grinding time in boats is simply way easier than in planes

[granite moat]

They take way longer to complete

A 20 mile job in a jetfoil takes as long as a 747 going from oskufloi to valois

also there is absolutely zero crash risk anywhere on that trip

[honest apex]

ok what if BP dwindled down to 1 per hour after 1 hour boating time

[swift totem]

The crash risk doesnt matter right cuz i thought up saves even if u crash

[granite moat]

nope

[honest apex]

nope

i mean i dont know how BP could be lowered without long haul capability getting removed for boats then

so ig its not happening

[granite moat]

Got some ideas…

[swift totem]

Lets not forget the environmental impact of running a computer for 50 hour straight for a SINGLE ship

Alongside that people with rechargable devices

If that matters

[granite moat]

we actually ran the numbers and at least in texas it takes roughly $2.5 in electricity to make 1M WP in a boat

Totally afk

[swift totem]

The wp isnt a problem but the real time is

[granite moat]

Oh wait mb thats 10 not 1m

[swift totem]

I just dont think alot of players are able to get 50 hours in any game reasonably, definitely for just 1 ship

[granite moat]

Correlating to time that is likely in the realm of hundreds of bp

[granite moat]

Can always buy the boat on the player market and skip the BP

[honest apex]

thats the issue though

BP is so high that its unreasonable

for a single epic vehicle

anyways i go now

[swift totem]

Trading is not an option for people without discord/ people who dont have access to roblox chat

[hard fable]

You say this, but I must point out that the UP costs for airships (which have just as much WP and cash payout as surface ships, if not slightly more/less) are the exact same as for planes and helicopters. While yes, you can technically take (and in fact chain) shorter jobs to acquire BP at a more reasonable rate, or save often enough that you can do long distance jobs in short intervals, the fact remains that...

1: There's no anti-kick for afk farming these long distance boat or airship jobs for UP/BP efficiently

2: There isn't any sort of autopilot system in the game, rudimentary or no, that can help automate longer distance jobs

3: There's obstacles (landmasses, in this instance) to avoid, and you can't just click on the map anywhere to input coordinate-based waypoints (versus beacon-based waypoints) that any autopilot can make use of

All three mean that if you're doing something in the background, you have to keep swapping back almost constantly to keep tabs on what's going on, manually saving frequently, and occasionally hold W for a few minutes while you're already at 100% Power just to make sure that you aren't going to be kicked. It makes ships unironically painful to use when grinding (doubly so for sailing ships like the clipper, which get affected by crosswind and act as though they're on frictionless surfaces), especially as you travel further away from 0,0 and the floating point error really begins hitting you hard.

So if not reducing the BP costs for boats, then at least providing options to automate them would be more than beneficial.

[granite moat]

1: autoclicker
2: aerohelper exists for boat jobs
3: ^aerohelper functions as if it were a player and can navigate based on heading

it is also important to consider that airships get their earnings due to accessing specific types of jobs; Boats get those earnings guaranteed as long as the supply/demand isnt less than like 0.5
They are also vulnerable to crashes and wind - plus, if you run out of gas mid-flight you cannot descend and it is effectively game over

[hard fable]

Okay, but the autoclicker does not solve the issue of being disconnected when you are running the game in the background as you AFK-farm boat jobs.

So we circle back to my counterpoint.

I appreciate the tip about aerohelper though, I gotta get my hands on that.

[granite moat]

just use autohotkey - can have it tab in for a split second to press spacebar and then go back to whatever you were doing

thats how i multitask blender and aero at least

but yea it does just suck how roblox's afk timer is just... there
and has to be circumvented by other measures

[stable meadow]

With an increasing number of orange-rarity ships, this can be considered

But it's staying at 2x UP for now

It's just too easy to grind BP compared to UP

[near fiber]

Exactly

[dry steppe]

I'm sorry this counts as automation, doesn't it?

Wouldn't that be bannable

[near fiber]

No....

[dry steppe]

automating the game is a bannable offense, it's in the rules

the only thing you can do is use an autoclicker

[near fiber]

I mean the game doesn't want an inbuilt version
But not privately means

[near fiber]

The Roblox tos

[dry steppe]

That's not what I meant

Using macros is bannable

or any sort of external tool that plays the game for you

Other than specifically autoclickers

[near fiber]

[granite moat]

Above my paygrade

[dry steppe]

You shouldn't be endorsing automation

[stable meadow]

We just haven't cared enough to ban it yet

Not much benefit difference between automation and hopping in game every 10-12 hours

Automating aircraft, that would be a different story