Do Aerial Firefighting the right way

[gilded wigeon]

Wildland firefighting is a complex operation from start to finish. Fire behavior is radically different, resources are radically different, and training is radically different. When the Canadian wildfire event popped up, both retardant (the red chemical that slows down the fire) and water behaved in the same manner. I'd like to recommend that they have different functions to simulate them better.

Retardant/Phoschek is used to create lines down below, which are anchored in with handcrews and engines on the ground. These aren't actually dropped on the fire itself, but are dropped near it in an effort to contain it.

Water is dropped to actually suppress the fire and cool down areas. Interestingly, water can be dropped on non burning areas to 'prep' them, but that's typically not done since it's a waste of resources.

Anyway, thanks for listening. Please avoid this rookie mistake!

Feel free to reach out with any questions. I'm happy to elaborate.

[long hare]

self react 🫃

[gilded wigeon]

Have to self represent

If you don't support yourself who will

💯

[limber osprey]

Isn't this planned

[gilded wigeon]

Yes, but previous iterations there were no differences between water n retardant

this is a clarifying post

This is me asking the devs to implement it correctly

[limber osprey]

Ah I see, it's to show the differences between water and retardant

I had no idea they had such different uses like that, guess I learned something new today

[gilded wigeon]

Here’s a sick vid of mine

[limber osprey]

Oh yeah, fire spotters are also something

[gilded wigeon]

lead plane is dropping white smoke to indicate where to drop

we call em lead planes

(us side)

[jaunty terrace]

this angers me

[inner karma]

I love when people suggest stuff from the trello

[limber osprey]

I call them fire spotters, no idea where I got that name from

[gilded wigeon]

Please read the suggestion fully

Thanks

[jaunty terrace]

my dad was supposed to drive me out to the airport to watch tanker action today but he was too lazy

[gilded wigeon]

This isn't "do aerial firefighting"

[jaunty terrace]

take my yes out of cope

[gilded wigeon]

it's do aerial firefighting RIGHT

do it correctly

[inner karma]

Its still about something related to what is on the trello

[gilded wigeon]

I know it's coming

I'm suggesting specificity

[inner karma]

I can neither confirm nor deny

[limber osprey]

I think it's more of a note rather than a suggestion

[gilded wigeon]

well as in

has been in the game before & on trello

this is me simply saying, do it the right way this time

[inner karma]

[gilded wigeon]

ha

nerd

[gilded wigeon]

i get to get the cancer in my face

booyah

[jaunty terrace]

retracting my yes

you are meanie

[gilded wigeon]

nooooo

[long hare]

whar

[gilded wigeon]

🙏

[lapis tendon]

#1328786568059817984 message i love my old suggestions

[native terrace]

imagine being nitpicky over a feature that only god helps to even implement in any shape or form

[gilded wigeon]

read

[gilded wigeon]

me when i make a suggestion in the suggestion channel to improve the realism of the game

[gilded wigeon]

me when i dont read the specific parts of the suggestion and only read the title

[lapis tendon]

i just send this here, i didn't refer it to your suggestion

[gilded wigeon]

peak

[native terrace]

me when no one checks #suggestion-rules and #rejected-suggestions and being rather mean to established community members when pointed on that

[gilded wigeon]

The trello page says implementing firefighting

Based on previous experience with firefighting in the game

It could be further expanded

I am simply suggesting adding more features to it

[gilded wigeon]

its not in #rejected-suggestions

[noble trellis]

“being rather mean to established community members”

Ts sounds so formal 🥀

Anyway I like the suggestion but it feels like a lot of stuff to add that can’t really be re-used for other jobs (except crop dusting maybe?)

I also don’t think a lot of people would end up doing aerial firefighting missions so I see it as a bit of a waste of development time. If we had more coding devs then I think this would be great

[queen whale]

Truly umazing insight, and please don't be so foreshadowing "oh its gonna be so useless, oh its gonna be few play them," and so many "oh" assumption. Relaxx, think we all know it, just little bit "note" on this aerial firefighting mission wont hurt your daily grinding with multiplier transport.

Also “being rather mean to established community members”... brahh what is this.. discord became 'official parliament' already, jeez..

[native terrace]

okay, how many other of your friends you'd call to protect your back

is that "style of speech" is better?

either way, don't be rude, read the rules, don't break them

[atomic radish]

god forbid we treat other people with kindness and respect

[atomic radish]

i like the suggestion but i'm a bit worried that it might overcomplicate the job if players had to pick between retardant or water

i think the best way for it to be implemented would be to have a generic waterbombing job and the game picks either retardant or water to be dispensed, and automatically picks the bombing area/route based off the randomly selected liquid

[atomic radish]

that way you wouldn't overload players (considering this is a roblox game after all) but still retaining the realism of accurate usage of water/retardant

[wispy vessel]

Also, please give the a10 the option to do firefighting jobs when they arrive, i need it

[stiff pulsar]

Air side they are usually called Bird Dogs.
Actually call signs differ though iirc

[stiff pulsar]

Hasn’t that been denied

several times

[lapis tendon]

-# i think so

[gilded wigeon]

depends on region & overhead

[gilded wigeon]

yeah my god

[gilded wigeon]

could be cool

i just think you should have a choice

or that it should scale based on fire size

on small fires you typically don't need retardant

you can just drop water

[stiff pulsar]

Actually went and checked

Surprisingly, no

It’s on the table I

[gilded wigeon]

apparently planned

[stiff pulsar]

Well, probably the retardant and Water doing separate things

In the event it had the same effect because it was just smoke

But ingame (in developer hell) it’ll do different things

[gilded wigeon]

I mean ya

I hope they do it

[stiff pulsar]

I mean we shall see but AFAIK I haven’t seen anything in regards to firefighting other than “It’s planned” and that devs can force spawn fires

[gilded wigeon]

I've built a whole fleet preparing for these times

too bad you can't convert the AT602 into the AT802 SEAT

[stiff pulsar]

Yeah I’ll believe it when I see it honestly.

Not that I don’t want it to happen but the lack of coders on the dev team makes me skeptical.

It’s basically Fly and Hyperant and Hyperant is suuuper busy

[gilded wigeon]

Do Aerial Firefighting the right way

[wispy vessel]

Which is exactly why I said it here as a joke instead of making a separate suggestion

Also, why not have only water bombing

No retardant

Problem solved

[sick sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095326874353287249/1334258361730072576/caption.gif

[gilded wigeon]

Because retardant is cool

[native terrace]

denied, no real application

[gilded wigeon]

^

Lowkey yeah

[modern portal]

Fair tho lol
-# surprised ts even got outside of the meeting room let alone on the front page of no less than 3 companies

[stiff pulsar]

Well

Its because S-2 tracker is old as fuck

And the C-2s aren't gonna be retired for a while yet

so small, somewhat manuverable jet aircraft with a silly amount of payload is a good choice

main issues are just:

1. Removing the GAU-8 fucks up the W&B
2. Expensive as hell to operate
3. Old as hell
4. They aren;t getting retired because of Congress lol

[gilded wigeon]

We have SEATs

We don’t really need an A-10

A-10s are so cool and I’d love to see them irl but

No point

[wanton osprey]

here's hoping they don't make this a bad paying job like stadium flyovers are

[stiff pulsar]

how much do they pay?

[wanton osprey]

1k per aircraft, usually 5k

[stiff pulsar]

Wow that is shit

[native terrace]

Stadium flyover work in a different way, they’re coop missions, the more players do it the bigger the payment

Ofc doing it solo would be so minuscule, I don’t think firefight would/should be coop

[wanton osprey]

1k an aircraft is still bad, especially seeing how, on best cases, ~5 aircraft participate because everyone else is doing more profitable flights

[native terrace]

It’s not 1k you’re doing it wrong

The closer you’re to 0 second the bigger payment

[wanton osprey]

Flew with 5 birds got 5k WP

[wanton osprey]

And that was stated where?

[native terrace]

If you fly with delay payment cuts significantly, the more you delay the less you get

[native terrace]

That’s… something you can figure out doing one or two times

I wasn’t told when QA and figured this out in few attempts on my own

[wanton osprey]

Or something that can be explained

Instead of

“Fly over here at set height at set heading”

Say

“Fly over here, set height set heading, closer to 0 yields more money

[native terrace]

I can see the argument, although I can argue that too much handholding also isn’t optimal

[wanton osprey]

Its not handholding if its basic info on the job.

No one flies the job properly because no one knows how the thing even works because SOME DEV decided not explaining something crucial to how the job works is a better alternative to “handholding.”

[stiff pulsar]

It does?

AFAIK it says fly over as close to the specified time as possible

[stiff pulsar]

The biggest issue with Stadium flyover is just that its not so valuable people drop everything to do them.

it doesn't give a free plane, and its basically a prisoners dillema.

"If we team up to do this, we will all profit. But Im on a 20k WP job. Do I trust that 20 people will show up or do I just continue my job for the guaranteed payout?" Its literally the prisoners dillema. If everyone teams up, they make more money, but if one person goes it alone they get a better payout than the people who teamed up.