Increase webley stall cap

[woven otter]

The new webley stall cap being ONLY 95 is really unfunny. The dassault falcon 20 can't even take jobs there anymore, and it fit the airport really well. It may be rejected, but I would like to speak out on the oppressiveness of the situation. It is really grim. althought likely intentional, it seems as an attempt to besmirch Webley and everything about it. This is disgraceful. this is just discrimination against all webley at this point.

[stoic sluice]

Falcon 20 is NOT fit for webley

[woven otter]

it SO IS
'

[stoic sluice]

The falcon 20 was never meant to be used on dirt runways

[woven otter]

witness me

[stoic sluice]

Just because you can land a 225 at Gaston doesn’t mean you should

and it doesn’t mean that we’re gonna add 225 jobs to Gaston?

See the similarities

[woven otter]

all im asking is to raise the stall cap to 97 knots 🥺

[woven otter]

a 225 is huge

teh falcon 20 is TINY

gaston isnt much bigger than webley, if it is AT all

the 20GT would for sure fit at gaston

[woven otter]

why can it do jobs at nadsadin but not webley

the 20gt

[stoic sluice]

So you see the point

[woven otter]

hardley

[stoic sluice]

Never even heard of that airport

[woven otter]

and yet ur a dev

[stoic sluice]

I’m not a big scenery guy

I focus on the planes

[woven otter]

was it you who put a stall cap on webley

ohy

[stoic sluice]

no

In the end it’s not big deal if it’s increased

or maybe decreased

[woven otter]

this is nadsadin btw

[stoic sluice]

I’m just saying your logic for doing so is flawed

[woven otter]

i just had fun using the 20GTF at webley previously 😭

[fervent nymph]

yea seriously

pls increase

[woven otter]

atleast to 97 knots

[mighty kraken]

Nadsadin at least has an actual town to warrant demand

[woven otter]

thats not the point

[lone saddle]

I think @woven otter 's suggestion is just written wrong.

While I do agree on that, its not just webley and the 20GTF.

Devs need to stop nerfing SST's and stop doing the "focus on newer players". For example, no-one wanted Enoksen to be a SST capped airport, so now only newgens( gnereal aviation) who fly to Enoksen, can actually take jobs there. Not to mention that the people in the general aviation planes that can fly to these airports will fly to them 4 times before getting an bigger aircraft.

-# no hate just reaility

[woven otter]

this too

[desert quarry]

someone oughta make a "Make SST's Great Again" suggestion

[lone saddle]

this was basiclly it

[desert quarry]

true

[sonic grove]

I 100% agree

[mighty kraken]

most stall caps are put in place to mimic either demand for an airport irl or demand for an airport ingame

[lone saddle]

Not when:

• The airport litteraly doesn't exist IRL
• AND LITTERALY NO-ONE CAN FLY TO THE AIRPORT EXCEPT NOOBS

[mighty kraken]

i mean

look at webley though

the place has a tiny dirt runway

not an exeptionally large population

it has bushplanes in its dealership

its not meant to be big, not even remotely

its barely even an airport

[sonic grove]

That's fair but still

[mighty kraken]

the devs are generally really firm on this to not let aircraft serve areas they aren't meant to

like the new englandtown cap

its runway can support it but its meant to be a GA airport

people were fuming over that one but devs refused to change it

if I remember right

[sonic grove]

You can look at it that way

[fervent nymph]

i remember the width of the A330 footprint being as wide as the taxiways there

hilarious

[sonic grove]

But just remember that Kyrro Regional Airport (branded as a regional airport, mind you) can get wide-body jets such as an A330-900neo. So it works both ways

[fervent nymph]

felt very strange

[mighty kraken]

yeah that one was really funny to watch people debate over that

[mighty kraken]

yeah there are definitely some that are too high

Tomfoolery is silly, literally nothing there and basically everything in the game cam do jobs from there

[sonic grove]

Tomfoolery stall cap is kinda dumb imo

Since there is a lot of flat land around it

[mighty kraken]

what's tomfoolery's cap?

[lone saddle]

Webley's point to exist is to be goofy

[sonic grove]

I'm pretty sure it's 139 knots

[lone saddle]

Webley is on the other side but take a look at Enosken ffs

[sonic grove]

But I'm not sure

Oh yeah it does have a stall cap, SR-71 doesn't get transport jobs there

[tender hatch]

I find it funny that it can still get surv jobs though

[sonic grove]

Surv jobs use a different system

[tender hatch]

I think even supply drops do, because for some weird reason the An-124 was able to take SDs from OSS, but not transport jobs, or maybe it's a different reason idk

[delicate mirage]

Ok, a single plane can takeoff from there. What about other similar planes? A plane with slower acceleration might not. We're not going to micromanage each airport.

[delicate mirage]

I did, after discussion and confirmation from other devs

[lone saddle]

it's not just about webley and if it can take off or not

just look, didn't even use whole runway yet it can't take jobs

[delicate mirage]

Jobs don't depend on the runway length...

[lone saddle]

yet still

[mighty kraken]

I feel like this exact chat has happened at least 5 times

[lone saddle]

yet it only got worse.

[mighty kraken]

idk man the answers been the exact same since the beginning

[mighty kraken]

might want to add an addendum to rejected suggestions

[delicate mirage]

Maybe

[woven otter]

well, that settles it. the aeronautica that I started playing and the aeronautica of today are vastly different. the game has slowly drifted away from the original, and I have a hard time having fun in the game anymore. Aeronautica, from my perspective, used to be an air simulator that you could do pretty much anything in- and now a lot of that has been heavily restricted. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the aeronautica I started playing for matched what I was looking for, while the aeronautica of today doesn't. but there is a simple solution to my ideals and the devteams ideals not lining up- I leave. So I will, I wish you all the best, but I quit aeronautica.

[lone saddle]

I can't do anything but agree with you

the only reason im still here is the dc server and my airline

[mighty kraken]

it can’t possibly be that deep

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151874214995955842/1307831735425175622/togif.gif

[sonic grove]

At the end of the day stall capping isn’t a big deal imho but it’s just dumb for certain types of planes

[woven otter]

Final straw in a long list of straws

[sonic grove]

Why the hell do stall caps exist though it just dumb

They never existed in the beginning

[lone saddle]

exactly

no-one wants them

even if its for realism

[sonic grove]

True

[lone saddle]

also

webley aint real airport

literaly a coal mine and a meme

[stoic sluice]

Lots of Copium rn

[stoic sluice]

I want them

[lone saddle]

You were my favourite dev 💔

how could you do this

[wheat marlin]

Yall do realize that Stall Caps were introduced in the update when Augustus Atoll was added on June 10th, 2021 right?
It had a stall cap of 110 knots, which limits aircraft to below CRJ-200/B732 size.
Stall caps are nothing new; it is just more airports have had stall caps added to prevent runway overruns.

[toxic arch]

If you need free, in-depth testing…

[stoic sluice]

Gonna stick to 95

Twin really quit over a stall cap

[toxic arch]

Well the issue is that nowadays it seems as if many airports are recieving stall caps not for the sake of safety, but rather on the grounds of game balance - a game balance favoring vehicles which are dead useless to 90% of players, and targeted against those used frequently.

For example New Englandtown has a stall cap of 120 despite oversized cargo planes being capable of taking off. Enoksen and Tomfoolery are similar.

i am not vouching to allow oversized cargo planes to operate from small runways.
Rather, many of the recent implementations are serving to negatively affect game balance, as opposed to benefit.

[stoic sluice]

Being capable of taking off isn’t the only thing

[toxic arch]

Stall caps on the grounds of safety are definitely a plus
But instating them to balance the game only serves to anger the flying community

[stoic sluice]

New England town doesn’t have any of the facilities for the big cargo planes that can land there

not to mention the small taxiways

something like the falcon 20 has nothing to operate it at webley

just a single hanger

And a runway it isn’t even designed to land on

[toxic arch]

Yes, that’s understandable, I am not suggesting for those to be instated as it would make no sense for a regional airport

But at the same time, new englandtown has a massive runway. In my research-formulated opinion, small capacity vehicles with high stall speeds should not be kicked out on the grounds of game balance.

However, this is not a hill Im willing to die on if it means throwing hands with those I look up to

[lone saddle]

omg dank came to rescue

[stoic sluice]

Isn’t net a completely GA only airport?

[lone saddle]

It wasn't

till the devs turned it into one (not you, you good dev actually)

[toxic arch]

While it may be GA-focused in lore there is no denying that it’s 3 years of history as a popular stopover for budding airliner pilots was obliterated by one number

[stoic sluice]

I mean the real one

The point I’m making

is that it has absolutely no facilities for anything other than your small GA aircraft

the way a airliner would land there in practice is in a emergency

[lone saddle]

sigh

our point still stands tho

[mighty kraken]

not really

there is nothing stopping you from landing and taking off from whatever airport you please

thats a non issue

but if you land in NET with a wide body freighter are you expecting to find work there?

no

so no jobs

Hell, webley's a dirt runway, no PJs except the PC-24 should be able to get in and out of there at all

[mighty kraken]

pc-24 jobs at webley when

would actually give it a cool niche

[stoic sluice]

Pc-24 can at least actually land there

[mighty kraken]

nothing else should be able to though

[stoic sluice]

still a huge lack of facilities for it

tom has to go in style

[mighty kraken]

real

need more airports only servicable by small aircraft

make a reason to use feeders and whatnot

[jaunty drum]

People complained about jobs taking them to runways they couldn't safely land at.

[mighty kraken]

hey, a little off topic but was just thinking about it - how do supply & demand multipliers get calculated in game? is it just based on frequency of jobs to a location? Was thinking of incorporating that into a suggestion

[stoic sluice]

Gotta ask a coding dev about that

[mighty kraken]

ope mb

[stoic sluice]

I think it’s based on the airports capacity though

[mighty kraken]

gotcha

any coding devs online?

not necessarily to bother em just curious

[woven otter]

To me, its lost is feeling of freedom

The more restrictions are placed

Its the balance between absolute freedom and realism that to me personally, has been destroyed.

But if it is all fine to you, all the better

I will find something else, eventually

[mighty kraken]

its not restricting your freedom, you're showing up to a tiny dirt strip that nobody wants to go to and nobody wants to fly out from therefore no jobs

[woven otter]

You all miss the point

[mighty kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gif-14340216892866210978

[stoic sluice]

dude

It’s really hot that deep

You can land your falcon 20 there

There’s just no financial reason to do so irl

so why would there be in aero

[woven otter]

Its not about the webley stall cap anymore

[delicate mirage]

This wasn't done just because we felt like it, it should've been done years ago

We can still make small adjustments if the changes are unreasonable

But don't expect to go back to Horata with the Hypermach

Or similar

[lone saddle]

nah that no-one really wanted

but still, webley is a goofy airport afterall, so it should able to take goofy jobs with goofy planes

[delicate mirage]

That being said hypermach is the main problem in all this

[lone saddle]

nah not really

meta people found out theres way better planes then the hypermach

[delicate mirage]

It's not restricted by cap limits because it's so low

So it can go anywhere which doesn't make sense

Stop locking this bruhg

[lone saddle]

[woven otter]

I just wanted it tweaked slightly

Origiballu

[lone saddle]

like

[delicate mirage]

I can add like 5 knots to Webley, that's it

[woven otter]

Like 5 knots slightly

[lone saddle]

111 would be good, since Agustus has the same

their runways are similar

[woven otter]

100 would actuallu be perfect

[lone saddle]

[delicate mirage]

You can still take a heckload of planes there

Lowest cap is at Primia, iirc 60 knots, others are 70 and higher

[woven otter]

can we get 100 knots cap at webley? 🥺

[delicate mirage]

If it's 95 atm yes

I dont rember

[woven otter]

:joyous:

it is iirc

[lone saddle]

but afterall, the community is more pissed about Enoksen and New Inglandtown then Webley since those are actually airports you used to fly alot and now really can't take jobs there

[woven otter]

enoksen is dead

i still dont know where they moved it to

[delicate mirage]

Net changed a lot from the original

Well both

[woven otter]

new england town might as well be New New englandtown

[lone saddle]

If Enoksen NET and Webley got an increase I walk away with a happy ending

well not only me

[delicate mirage]

I'll check if I have the time

[woven otter]

titanium is feeling merciful today

[delicate mirage]

It's a big change so it's normal that some of them are off a bit

[lone saddle]

[delicate mirage]

Again Im not gonna micromanage each of them but a few is ok

[woven otter]

indeed

[lone saddle]

Like I said, ( and hereby I am representing most of the community, not only myself) Enoksen NET and Webley are those 3 that need one

[woven otter]

is nadsadin ever gonna have a cap or is it just gonna be left to be there

[delicate mirage]

Idk what nadsadin is, just ignore it for now

[woven otter]

oh

did hyperant or someone else just randomly decide nadsadin would be there? maybe so

[delicate mirage]

Maybe it's because it doesnt have a runway length info

[lone saddle]

it's dirt

what runway

[woven otter]

iirc its a copy and paste of webley's runway, but surrounded by mountains
or sumn

[delicate mirage]

Welp say goodbye to free stall cap

[lone saddle]

how do you wanna know speaking to a dev with this info

[woven otter]

what

[lone saddle]

@woven otter is this what you wanted

[woven otter]

no

[lone saddle]

so shut up 😭 🙏

[woven otter]

its 2am my comprehension of written words is absolutely bottom tier

[lone saddle]

then go to eep

[woven otter]

sur 👍