Remove the hill just before Runway 24 at Oskufloi

[inner lotus]

Just before RWY 24 at Oskufloi, theres a massive hill that the ILS guides you to fly right into, thus making Runway 24 the most usless Runway at Oskufloi as a whole.

You may argue, but can't you fly to the right of the hill? Yes, but what about low visibility and you need to use the ILS and you have no idea about this hill until its too late and loose money? What about wind?

Would it be possible to do some landscaping in order to make the ILS 24 usable, well the runway itself at least usable again, especially since taking off from the other side needs a steep angle which most dont adopt in Aero.

Alternatively, ILS 24 could just be removed, which would require less work than redoing the terrain partly.

[dusty merlin]

peak suggestion

please

[sharp pivot]

or at least get rid of the ILS or make it an IGS at an angle

[inner lotus]

I dont think an IGS could even work

I had to skim the hillside with my a330s left wingtip during the final approach and subsequent landing

[sharp pivot]

fair

[dark berry]

Fair enough

[inner lotus]

Plus the ILS for 24 is fixed at a 3 degree angle like the other ILS's, and if they were to change the angle, it'd most likely exceed even LCY ILS glideslope angle of 5.5

Which btw, that approach with an A318 requires the speedbrake, and a special push button on the overhead

[sharp pivot]

I dont think any sort of instrument approach is even allowable to a runway like that ingame

[ember tree]

nice angle

[inner lotus]

It's a visual approach straight up

[sharp pivot]

tolerances for it simply do not exist

takeoff mins for opposite runway must be nightmarish too

[still crag]

From the charts the RWY 24 approach is a Left Bank in

[sharp pivot]

im talking ingame terrain not irl

[inner lotus]

It could work as a RNAV approach, but RNAV doesn't exactly exist in this game

[sharp pivot]

idk i feel like it would have to be circling only

[still crag]

yeah that's what i'm talking about

[sharp pivot]

realistically that runway should just have a 2000+ft displaced threshold

ope

non faa/jeppesen chart bleh

[inner lotus]

Even then though, most people might not actually use charts for Aero

and most people might aswell be clueless as to how to do such a procedure, they'd see all the writing and go "cba"

Plus, irl airport, the terrain is mainly flat and theres no hill where 24 would be if it was in real life, it's just flat

[sharp pivot]

fixed for aero

only way any approach into there could be remotely doable

[inner lotus]

replacing the hill with a town could do better too thinking about it

you can expand the town thats already near the hill

[burnt mountain]

conflicted on that one

from one side - gives unique approach for mostly flat airports in game

from another - yeah you have a point real airport don't have such approach

[inner lotus]

yh

alternatively deleting the ILS 24 and making players use the 3 other runways during low visibility could work [since thats the only use for ILS ingame]

but no clue how much work it is

[royal kindle]

ive been meaning to do this for a while actually

i will get to it at some point

thank you for reminding

ill probably just lower it

[inner lotus]

np

[odd eagle]

just use 33, it adds a layer of challenge to an airport that would otherwise be very boring

the ILS is broken for 24 tho

its not hard to just do a left turn and a right turn

[surreal skiff]

[inner lotus]

please refer to the above image of the runway that RWY 24 is based off

it has no massive hill protruding and ruining the approach

It's not about me being incapable of the procedure, it's about those who might not have the knowledge of the hills around Oskufloi, and with low visibility they may opt for 24, and end up hitting the side of a mountain

[odd eagle]

check the map then

and if you cant see the runway lights thats kinda a you problem for continuing approach

[inner lotus]

the runway lights are obstructed

by the hill

[odd eagle]

lights here would do

[odd eagle]

exactly what i said, im based out of osku

[inner lotus]

eitherway, it's most likely gonna be changed

[odd eagle]

this would easily fix the issue of visibility, and if you simply dont want mountain approaches then you also need to get rid of barlaku, bilabadi, and others

[inner lotus]

point made, real airport has no massive fuck off hill preventing the use of the fourth runway
the hill obstructs the runway lighting
clueless players may hit the hill and loose money, not very playable for an airport like osku

[inner lotus]

im not saying remove mountain approaches

[odd eagle]

the game isnt realistic

[inner lotus]

im just saying that runway 24's ILS isnt very usable

[odd eagle]

absolutley

[sharp pivot]

1. Following the glideslope as indicated, which is normally supposed to be a guarantor of safe approach, puts you straight into a mountain
2. ILS is line of sight based, so any glideslope angle less than 6 degrees or more (something ridiculous) wouldn’t even be able to be recieved due to mountain obscuration
3. It’s ridiculously unsafe

[odd eagle]

its broken

[odd eagle]

fix the ILS would do

[inner lotus]

i doubt theyd even use the approach irl

[odd eagle]

anything else just use 33 tbh

[sharp pivot]

You can’t fix it

[inner lotus]

cant fix it

[odd eagle]

oh dear

[sharp pivot]

You would have to remove the mountain or convert half of the runway to displaced threshold

[inner lotus]

if you changed the degrees on the ILS for a mountain like that

well hill

then uhh

it basically would just exceed any form of safe glidepath

LCY's is already 5.5 degrees

[sharp pivot]

yup

[odd eagle]

or maybe move the ILS start to make the glideslope direct you to the top of the hill

[inner lotus]

and A318s utilising said approach requires full speedbrake and a special STEEP APPR push button to be moved

[inner lotus]

thats a horrible idea because you'd still be too high to land safely

[odd eagle]

thats because its a short runway

[inner lotus]

safety margins..,,,

[sharp pivot]

then it’s not an ILS

[odd eagle]

-# use 33

[inner lotus]

• no consideration of wind direction

[odd eagle]

i feel like you could use common sense to descend

[inner lotus]

and then overrun? pfft nah

[odd eagle]

the most that ive seen was 20kts, apart from 60kts when the storms went wild

[sharp pivot]

the whole point of an ILS is to take the guesswork out of landing in IMC

[inner lotus]

exactly

[odd eagle]

i landed an an225 on 24 and had like 1/3rd of the runway left so idk what your point is

[inner lotus]

ok cool, and im guessing you used max reverse and braking?

[odd eagle]

yes

and every comptetent pilot in aero does the exact same

and aero is in no means a realistic game

[inner lotus]

ok so uhh

i guess im incompetent for only using brakes and no reverse thrust on long runways!

[sharp pivot]

Regardless, shouldn’t be in game because the one thing it’s supposed to do it can’t do

[inner lotus]

have you perhaps considered that landing in a tailwind is an ultimately stupid idea? let alone a 20 knot tailwind

and perhaps that might be why people use 24 instead

[odd eagle]

you could run off the runway and survive in the game

so theres no risk

[sharp pivot]

there’s no point in an ILS bc visibility never gets bad enough to require it

and yet they’re in game

[pure blaze]

This airport is based off of Keflavik right?

[inner lotus]

ahem..,,,
sometimes you actually HAVE to be on the airport for the flight to complete, so running into a mountain, or going off into the water isnt gonna work

[inner lotus]

Yes

[odd eagle]

ill get an example

[inner lotus]

I made a point that keflavik doesnt have hills in way of its approaches, mainly flat ground

[pure blaze]

gotcha ty

[odd eagle]

yes, but once you touchdown theres no wind, and you could use rudder to get back on the runway

[inner lotus]

its not a case of using rudder dude

rudder barely matters in an overrun

[odd eagle]

you must have an extremely large skill issue to overrun at osku

[inner lotus]

its only if you dont use enough and you actually end up mowing the lawn

[inner lotus]

i havent

[sharp pivot]

what I’m saying is they exist to let people simulate more proper flying like IRL

[odd eagle]

am talking generally

[odd eagle]

and i do realistic flying aswell

[inner lotus]

but if you wanna be ignorant okay then

[odd eagle]

how am i ignorant exactly

do explain

[inner lotus]

i wont stop you from having an opinion, but eitherway the hills still fucking the approach up, especially the ILS aspect

[inner lotus]

You suggested moving the ILS on top of the hill

[odd eagle]

no i didnt?

[inner lotus]

And missed the COMPLETE point of an ILS approach

yes you did

[sharp pivot]

So if you’re doing realistic flying and shooting this approach and get jumped by the mountain you would be a bit annoyed, no? Because by following steps intended to make the landing as safe as possible the game put you at direct risk

That’s why it’s bad imo

[inner lotus]

"Instrument Landing System"
It's meant to help you land, or land for you in cases where autoland might be applicable

[sharp pivot]

If you choose to use the safest option you get shot in the ass for it basically and it breaks a bit of immersion

[inner lotus]

essentially yes

especially in low vis

[pure blaze]

what if you just used the other runway

[sharp pivot]

exactly

[inner lotus]

wouldnt work neither

[sharp pivot]

then you miss the entire runway

[odd eagle]

use PAPIs

[sharp pivot]

That’s also already where the localizer is lol

[inner lotus]

PAPI's that are obstructed by the hill? nah

[sharp pivot]

Pretty sure PAPI puts you into the mountain too

[inner lotus]

yes and you cant even see them

[odd eagle]

after you fly over the mountain you will see the PAPIs

[pure blaze]

Chang runway shape so the touchdown zone is further forward? (At expense of a shorter rwy)

[odd eagle]

the ILS will direct you over the hill, where you could change to PAPIs

[inner lotus]

lowering the hill would actually just be easier than changing the runway

[sharp pivot]

so this basically

[odd eagle]

am going to land, apologies

[sharp pivot]

displaced threshold for days

[inner lotus]

im fairly sure just changing the terrain work would be easier too

than having to add a displaced threshold

[sharp pivot]

If you were to change the airport this would be the only option I mean

Short of just moving the whole thing

[inner lotus]

Plus taking off in the other direction needs a steep ascent, especially for widebodies, which is another reason to say byebye to the hill

and as we know, most aero players only use 5 degrees on takeoff

[sharp pivot]

This could only really work as a LOC with ridiculously high minimums

[pure blaze]

honestly, yea

[sharp pivot]

And still the PAPI puts you into the dirt

[pure blaze]

Yea

[odd eagle]

then do that imo

[sharp pivot]

the issue with that is it’s completely lost on the average aero player

[pure blaze]

Atleast have some lights placed on the hill?

[sharp pivot]

Minimums don’t exist in game

[odd eagle]

either rework the ILS system, make the airport way more boring, or get rid of the ILS are the options

[inner lotus]

id prefer boring
all airports are boring lets be real

[sharp pivot]

ILSes are supposed to be boring

You don’t want sudden excitement on those like a hill appearing

[inner lotus]

all you do during lets say, an autoland is just monitoring the aircraft instruments anyway

[sharp pivot]

Sorta yeah

[inner lotus]

but said monitoring is increased compared to normal flight

[sharp pivot]

In hand flying really what you’re watching is just staying on GS & LOC and keeping an eye on mins, making sure you don’t bust mins without runway in sight

[inner lotus]

yes

[sharp pivot]

Aero doesn’t have mins so that factor doesn’t exist

and the flight path vector tells you exactly where you’re going so maintaining approach path is easy as hell

[pure blaze]

Yea

[sharp pivot]

Aero flying is inherently boring unfortunately, ILS being boring is symptomatic of that

[royal kindle]

it still gonna have a steep approach but that hill will be lowered

[inner lotus]

bless

[sharp pivot]

Shooting a real ILS approach through IMC? Genuinely the most fun I’ve ever had in a plane

[sharp pivot]

swag

[inner lotus]

lower hills good enough

aslong as the ILS is usable

[pure blaze]

probably best option, hill makes it interesting but if it’s shorter then it’s doable in low vis ops and still has a bit of a challenge

[odd eagle]

i guess it works

anyway we have settled for compromise ill go now

good day

[inner lotus]

good day to you too sir

[pure blaze]

And maybe raise ils slope?

[sharp pivot]

If the hill is moved a little bit it could be an LDA where you have to come at it from the side a bit to stay clear

[pure blaze]

this would be good too

[royal kindle]

great success

[brave saddle]

i just do a rapid descent after going over the hill, not an issue for me but hey, a from me

[odd eagle]

applied thrusters late

landed with float

and missing engine one

[upbeat wasp]

Do a kai tak style, thuusu you don't have to do that really steep approach

[ember tree]

I can remember the wind direction as I was in same server

340 deg